How Ferrari Cheated Their Best Clients

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[@bobmcl2406]

This is a long and rich history at Ferrari. It used to be said that of the 25 Ferrari 250 GTOs built, only 37 survive. 😂

[@Suprahampton]

A similar claim was made about the Lotus Cortina

[@jimsteinway695]

@AlexanderHenry-hz3tdAllah doesn’t have anything to do with Ferrari. I think it’s the other guy Satan that works at Ferrari 😊

[@w1jim]

That's more a function of people restoring cars based on very few parts. So for example one person would buy the drivetrain and recreate a car based on that (and it's associated VIN) whereas another would recreate a car based on some body parts. Essentially automotive mitosis.

[@vivek_v]

@AlexanderHenry-hz3td Allah would surely want you to stop spamming.

[@MRkriegs]

​@AlexanderHenry-hz3tdAllah drives a Prius

[@Notourtube]

If I was an Enzo owner I would be very happy knowing I could drive my Enzo to its limits and not worry about wrecking because if I did, I could have it replaced by Ferrari themselves

[@robertjusic9097]

But i wonder for how long? enzo came out in 2002, so I wonder until what year they made them? 2005?

[@daexion]

@@robertjusic9097 Might depend on the client.

[@lanced.274]

Exactly what I was thinking, kind of seems like they are doing a service to their top customers in giving a replacemnet opportunity. As long as it is actually a replacement and not building 2000 when they promise only 1000 in existence

[@thewaldfe9763]

⁠next video featuring Tavarish: I bought 23 totaled Enzos and will turn them into at least 10 working ones 😅

[@peterspencer6442]

@@thewaldfe9763 with matching VINs :D

[@SAMPLETEXT285]

Im honestly surprised Ferrari hasn't tried to silence this guy considering how much he knows about what ferrari doesnt want anyone to know about

[@jonathanj8303]

Except that the majority of the actual buyers probably don't care. The feel of exclusively, even if it's 550 vs 400, is enough.

[@brandon-kg2vd]

I don't believe anything this guy says, he seems like a total nut

[@Adierit]

Probably because "silencing" someone whos claims can really never be proven is more expensive and illegal then just ignoring him while still selling every car they want for whatever price they put on it.

[@samsung5]

He did get banned from Ferrarichat 🤷‍♀️

[@batuhan4002]

@SAMPLETEXT285 • is not a discovery is only 399 produced! 11 prototypes! Is double or triple the number vin "reason wreck, or the owner want's to have 5 cars same number but there are only display cars".

[@4K1R4-00]

LaFerrari Coupe - over 600 units, 599 SA Aperta - 130+, 599 GTO - 879, F12 TDF - 923 , 458 Speciale A - 642.... Yes, they are still doing it.

[@CrackedCandy]

How many of each of those are there supposed to be

[@4K1R4-00]

@@CrackedCandy LaFerrari Coupe - 499, SA Aperta - 80 (I'm pretty sure it's closer to 160), 599 GTO - 599, TDF - 799, 458 SA - 499

[@poeticalvision]

@@4K1R4-00 Jesus its like they aren't even hiding it anymore. Is this not considered fraud in Italy?

[@4K1R4-00]

@@poeticalvision doubt... Pagani is doing similar thing with a Zonda and swapping VINs to a new cars.

[@seko512]

but i think they stoped this things specifically after spreading of Internet and Forums, etc so i'am sure for new models like SF90 the numbers should be legit

[@arthuralford]

The main reason nobody complains is probably because they know that to raise Ferrari's ire is to cut yourself off from the next "special" car. Ferrari doesn't need the Black Hand; they have a dealer network just as deadly.

[@ZboeC5]

@@brian5001 No. That's a ridiculous statement to make. Animals kill each other all the time over petty things like territory...no different than humans.

[@thiagomarques3036]

Getting into Ferrari's special list is kinda like buying a money printer. Nobody is gonna want to miss that

[@sriley064]

I don't understand the draw to a Ferrari,I would rather have something like a Phase 3 Ford Falcon,or any other performance model Falcon with either a V8 or factory turbocharged engine I think it's absurd to spend huge on a car with so little versatility but I guess i want something more from something which takes up a space on my driveway or in my shed

[@julianbrelsford]

@@sriley064 I think a lot of Ferrari owners have enough money to leave fifteen cars in garages 99+ percent of the time and still have something to drive. Not at their actual home maybe, but somewhere. I personally need a car that suits my needs ~100% of the time bc I am too cheap and/or poor to have multiple cars at the moment.

[@RonaldRegain]

All you need to loose your Ferrari is a funky paintjob. Dreadmaus5 got his one repossesed cause of it

[@aidanjohnson7571]

I've always found it funny how people talk about the F40's known production numbers and then in the same breath act as if Ferrari will actually build the number of cars they say they will the next time around

[@patrickhandyside9490]

@AlexanderHenry-hz3tdI have reported you twice now for spamming the comments. I don’t care about your message one way or the other but dude give it a rest no one on this car video wants to read about your religious transformation.

[@GlozaMr]

” Everyone is a Ferrari fan. Even if they say they're not, they are Ferrari fans.”

[@EyePatchGuy88]

To me, the biggest scam about the Enzo is that the 599 has the same engine with the same power when they tried to claim the opposite.

[@harshvardhanbhatii]

@AlexanderHenry-hz3td that shit does not exist

[@cobaltlukather9045]

​@@harshvardhanbhatiiboi tryin to save this dude's soul before ferrari mafia separates it from his body. gods aside, its the thought that counts.

[@harshvardhanbhatii]

@@cobaltlukather9045 🤣

[@jose7777777777777777]

Not quite the same engine and not the same power. MC12 engine is also slightly different

[@mobilemarshall]

@AlexanderHenry-hz3td hey you got tricked by somebody into believing garbage, go to school and grow up

[@althunder4269]

Back in the late 80s or early 90s some lady sued Ferrari because her limited edition F40 was not as rare as the factory had claimed. In this case the factory announced they would continue production past the initial number announced and she got pissed about that. IDK what the outcome of that lawsuit was.

[@bwofficial1776]

Sounds like the time GM got sued. They announced that 1976 would be the last year they would make convertibles but then reintroduced convertibles in 1984. Owners of 1976 cars sued because they bought the 1976s as investments as the last convertibles.

[@kacperhertz2716]

@AlexanderHenry-hz3tdI think you made a typo. You meant the Great Almighty Vibrator right? 👌👈

[@danbeachy8402]

What is this crap about allah? Is there an Islamic AI out there that posts junk like this at random? Or is this dude a schizophrenic muslim? I'm fascinated that someone would post religious nonsense like that in such a random place like that. So weird. Is this a thing now?

[@MichaelJames-lz7ni]

"Some Lady" bought a car for $350,000 that now sells for $2MIL today? Her lawsuit wasn't worth the toilet-paper it was written on.

[@captain_context9991]

@@bwofficial1776 No its nothing like that. Sounds like conspiracy to me. And where does every conspiracy come from? yeah, you guessed it.

[@hector3041]

There was so many Ferrari Enzo’s almost an infinite amount. I owned 5 of them myself. Every time I joined a race in Forza Motorsport most of the grid was Enzo’s. Dime a dozen I say.

[@thumbi3104]

No thx

[@broodlyric]

@@thumbi3104 you didnt even try it tho

[@UnChannelDuVulpineX]

@AlexanderHenry-hz3td Boom.

[@GasPipeJimmy]

@AlexanderHenry-hz3td Not even once!

[@ZGryphon]

@@broodlyric To be fair, it's a slightly bigger commitment than Brussels sprouts.

[@hunterjones9822]

My Enzo is 219/400 of 1000 made....

[@jonaveul]

Mine is 911/1000

[@lamborghinimiki]

Mine is 1001/1000

[@captain_context9991]

@@lamborghinimiki Yeah, exactly. Children talking. Is all this is. Anybody is free to produce wild claims.

[@BrunoDeMarques]

Couldn’t keeping the same VIN be a tax thing? Maybe, unlike regular cars, these hyper cars are often irreparable and if there was a new VIN, the owner would have to pay (again) all the local taxes (it would be like buying a new car) and these would be a fortune. Car taxes in Italy are crazy and they probably started doing this locally. Just a thought.

[@zqzj]

That's what I was thinking. I wish more car manufacturers did this.

[@ML-dl1cp]

not just that but if you export a car to its country of origin for repair or restoration, you aren't (usually) obligated to pay tax/duty when it is returned to your country, as long as the VIN is identical. A new VIN = a new car as far as most governments are concerned.

[@corbingarrett1206]

That would essentially be tax fraud tho. They didn't repair the car. They actually did buy a whole new car. I can see not wanting to pay taxes and fees on it after already doing so with the first car. But it's not the same car. Imagine doing that with your daily. You total your daily and pop the vin plate off it, buy a new car That's the same make/model and switch the vin 🤦‍♂️That's at the very least dishonest and at the worst tax fraud.

[@ML-dl1cp]

@@corbingarrett1206 Agree totally, but when you're talking about people with this level of wealth, they have their own rules. It is certainly arguable - with a highly capable lawyer on retainer and limitless resources - that retaining a VIN plate while replacing literally every other part of the car means it's the same car. I'm not saying I agree with that. I'm just saying it's arguable. And border service agencies have to pick their battles. The amount of manpower and financial resources required to argue in court about (for the sake of argument) a $100,000 duty weighed against the probability of success means they probably won't bother, especially when their resources are maxed-out (like, always). It depends if they want to make an example of the importer or not. Like, I could see them busting a Cartel boss' balls about something like this, but not Jay Leno's.

[@JakeM218]

@@corbingarrett1206Depends on the limit of what counts as a new car. If they can only re-use a single piece, who’s to say the car hasn’t been rebuilt?

[@Paris__]

This guy is absolutely right. Because I own a 1967 330 GTC (considered a budget low-end Ferrari classic and junk Ferrari by enthusiasts who turn their noses down at it), here in Monaco I was given the opportunity to purchase an Enzo, LaFerrari ect. I don't want a track toy, I wanted a GT. So bought a California, which I still have (along with a Testarossa and F355). And you wanted to hear what the dealer said!....."why do you want one of those for?! You want a 'true' Ferrari"........Snobs! I don't know why I'm so brand-loyal to them. But my 330 means everything to me, as My father bought it for when I was born in 1967😥. The dealers are absolutely awful!

[@MichaelJames-lz7ni]

Last I checked, a 330 GTC has a "proper" v-12, and anyone working at a Ferrari dealership would know that....but let's pretend it's NOT a dealer's job to try and up-sell you a more-expensive car?

[@Paris__]

@@MichaelJames-lz7ni That's true, the dealers love the 330, it's just the owners/enthusiasts who turn their noses up at it!....oh well, their loss!

[@MichaelJames-lz7ni]

@@Paris__ Nobody with two brain-cells to rub together will turn their nose up at an Enzo-era car with a 12cyl engine....particularly one that's being driven.

[@Paris__]

@@MichaelJames-lz7ni you'd be surprised! It just hasn't got the glamour (or price tag) of a classic 250, 275, 365 ect.....But I wouldn't part with it for all the money in the world!

[@mhmdd]

WOW!

[@OpenRoader]

I lived in southern Italy (2016-21) and we would see "The Black Hand" spray painted on freeway over passes, on walls in little villages. It was kind of ominous TBH

[@TwinShards]

"tbh" I see what you did there.

[@Elajt550]

Stop it, black hand 😂 this ain't the 50's. Ndrangheta rules the South.

[@tydshiin5783]

I have one, two three, four, five cold killers in the black hand

[@Sir......]

@@tydshiin5783 ... ones a real booger-picker

[@CAFFIENEHOUND]

Flex like Sithis

[@kunzilla]

i remember something about jay leno says that he would never buy a ferrari.

[@ZboeC5]

Yep, he doesn't trust them and doesn't like the way they do business and in fact doesn't own a single one. Says a lot that he probably has one of the world's most expensive/renowned collections and not a single Ferrari in it.

[@hellcat-707]

Not everything Jay Leno said is applicable everywhere and what he will not say that the practices which made him not buy a Ferrari are also followed by other brands and infact he owns a car from one of those brands.

[@Mr-pn2eh]

​@@hellcat-707what brand?

[@bwofficial1776]

Remember that Lamborghini only exists because Enzo Ferrari insulted Ferrucio Lamborghini. Ferrari's attitude stretches back decades.

[@hellcat-707]

@@Mr-pn2eh Why, you don't know? It's the Ford GT he bought it with his clothes money. And I hope you know that owning a Ford GT meant he had to own a few Ford cars just like the case with special Ferraris.

[@972CHENZO]

Aaaand here comes the cease and desist letters from Ferrari.

[@schylerlewis8467]

They dont care! NOBODY CARES!!!

[@972CHENZO]

@@schylerlewis8467 pretty much. Everyone's used to it already

[@captain_context9991]

Those cease & desist letters from Ferrari are also conspiracy talk. Just like this. Nobody has ever seen them, but they exist for sure, right.

[@davewebster5120]

This is why Jay Leno doesn't buy from Ferrarri. They wanted him to buy 3 Modena's for 1 Testorossa, or something, he was like "uh, no, screw you." and he then explained why McLaren was a better company because they offer upgrades for free and even told him he didn't need to spend more money on carbon brakes unless he raced on a track. McLaren is a customer-focused company and Ferrari is a brand-focused company.

[@Devil_Dog_Ultra]

As a ferrari customer i can confirm. To this day if you own a ferrari vin you can have the car rebuilt even the 250 gto they still have all the molds and castings. So this is nothing new and its common knowledge. Buggatti will also do the same. Source: my friend wrecked his buggatti they build him a new one. I destroyed a testarossa they rebuilt it for me.

[@jshumphress13]

Mr. McCoy is about to receive an offer that he can't refuse. (petting cat while sitting in chair)

[@hifinsword]

When a Ferrari dealer, or any dealer, allows you to own their car, the car and the dealer own you, not the other way around.

[@kellyscars]

After seeing the welds on thar chassis recently, I'd say they cheated a lot of customers. 🤷🏼‍♂️

[@dannysdailys]

Nobody said that Ferrari's are actually good cars.

[@Pandara-up5lw]

They make some of the best handling chassis in the world everyone agrees with that even if you don’t like Ferrari so they must be doing something right

[@z06doc86]

😂👍👍

[@vinkobilandzic22]

the idiots can't make a decent f1 car, let alone a supercar

[@mrcojocaru]

@@brokenrobot4073 Ferraris are cool, but I think I'd rather have a Porsche. Seems like you can really drive those and not worry so much

[@wza360]

I have heard in some documentaries, that Ferrari for years were rebuilding cars (very limited ones) if the owner at least had a one bolt left after the crash and if it can be identified as bolt from that car. That sounded peculiar so it stuck. But I can't recall where exactly I heard about it.

[@ZboeC5]

Just building a new car and giving it the old VIN which is straight up illegal.

[@Devil_Dog_Ultra]

so no. if you own the vin you own the car. they will fix/rebuild any ferrari they have produced even if limited production. They are not priting out extra cars.

[@2whl4re]

Given the ability of the factory to 'rebuild', or 'repair', virtually any car they made goes well beyond what a normal repair shop could do. Normal shops source new/used parts from various sources. The factory *is* the source. So at what point is it not that original car? I could argue that installing a new fender makes the car not original, but if the Ferrari factory certifies that it is, well.....how many 'new' parts is the cutoff?

[@Drunkenvalley]

@@Devil_Dog_Ultra Ship of Theseus is calling.

[@adogaruu]

@@ZboeC5 I mean, doesn't really sound illegal, as there aren't two cars with the same VIN on the road. Think of it as a repair, except instead of some parts, they straight up change the whole car as they wouldn't be repairable most likely.

[@shashankmurari]

As expected from Ferrari

[@shashankmurari]

@AlexanderHenry-hz3td please stop this stupid thing alright you bloody don't talk about religion here .This is a freaking car channel. If not I will report you

[@othnieljonathan6717]

@AlexanderHenry-hz3tdbro 😭

[@Viktorprj19]

You will never expect anything from them... believe me !!😂😂

[@sburns2421]

I remember Carbon from the Ferrarichat days when the Enzo was new. The amount of effort he spent researching and documenting an owners list was impressive.

[@bpisar1132]

He stole all his info from Gerald Roush from Ferrari Market Letter, and acts as if he is Enzo`s gate keeper.

[@MichaelJames-lz7ni]

You KNOW he got banned from Ferrarichat for doing this, right???

[@sburns2421]

@@MichaelJames-lz7niI haven't been on Fchat in years. I remember the guy had tens of thousands of posts IIRC.

[@JohnnyLightningV10]

I heard they claim that number that year but years afterward production ended they used extra parts to build more for special people but back dated the car for that year. Also FXX cars were suppose to be built more but ended up as Enzos so they just stretched it.

[@XennialGuy]

​@AlexanderHenry-hz3tdAllah is a false god. - Judges 2:3

[@peterga3658]

a Japanese shop made a upgrade set for the Enzo they bore the engine upgrade a lot of stuff its really nice

[@BPF80MCar-vi1pg]

I've seen it on KZbin it's badass

[@strangeclouds7]

They should make a manual conversion

[@Mr-pn2eh]

​@@strangeclouds7no. #Scrapthemanuels

[@strangeclouds7]

@@Mr-pn2eh Bruh the auto gear box on that car is horrible

[@fijod]

@@strangeclouds7 this is so true. If 599 shares the same engine as Enzo and they come in manual, iding power of Japan should build a manual Enzo

[@sublevel03]

An Italian car manufacturer being a bit fast and loose with numbers... no surprise :D The way I see it with some of these cars is that you've paid a large amount of money to buy a VIN, if you bin it beyond repair (and have the money), they build you a new one from the parts bin and it inherits the destroyed cars VIN, no harm, no foul. Legally questionable, yes, but hey it's Italy, Forza Italia!. :P

[@gromitNOR83]

That would be seen as gross tax avoidance in my country with hefty penalties doing that.

[@Evildaddy911]

I'm curious what happens to the original though - is it sent back to Ferrari to be "rebuilt?" If not, what happens if I rebuild it and put it back on the street? Assuming there's records of the crash, is the replacement a rebuilt/salvage title even if it's a brand new build?

[@adogaruu]

@@Evildaddy911 I'm pretty sure they wouldn't allow there to be two cars with the same VIN. Sounds very illegal. Most probably they take the wrecked car (IDK what the do with it), take your money, and give you a new one with the VIN of the wrecked one. The wrecked ones aren't coming back on the streets. Also, I think the title stays clean, as you wouldn't be going though insurance companies. Could still show up on apps like carvertical maybe.

[@olivertaylor4779]

@@adogaruu Some would say as long as some parts are transferred it's ok, imo if the original tub it's ok to replace everything else but the main parts like engine and gearbox have to be the same spec.

[@hifinsword]

When I buy a car, I expect the dealer to value me and my business. If they do not, I could only blame myself for my own diminution.

[@SuperDodoe]

Tax cheats ...art world has been doing this forever.

[@ZboeC5]

Same thing with "book deals".

[@noelht1]

3:06 When Michael Schumacher drove it so quickly that the panels came off and they had to stick them back on with duct tape

[@xr_ecall8710]

Might this be what actually happened at the German car restorer Kienle that is famous for their Mercedes 300 SL restorations? Because a couple of weeks ago a widespread investigation towards their company got launched because suddenly, there were two 300 SL with the same VIN. So either Kienle actually faked an entire chassis and sold two 300 SL with an identical VIN, or maybe back in the day at Mercedes, they actually produced two 300 SL with the same VIN, maybe because one of them got totaled in a crash and therefore a chassis with an identical VIN got rebuilt in the factory, but the original chassis got repaired and restored anyway. It's just my theory at this point, but who knows. 😅

[@sanatprasad1594]

Yeah I was also thinking about that. As long as Ferrari are taking back and disposing of the original chassis before replacing it, it wouldn't increase the total number of Enzos and wouldn't create duplicates

[@d8o8m8]

It’s pretty hard to care much about this issue as a normal working person who will never own a 20 million dollar car.

[@kornonacob]

Only fools buys Ferrari...smart people get a Porsche

[@a64738]

I do not know what smart people buy and I am not smart, so I am planning on buying a Porsche even if it is not smart thanks to the bore score and IMS issues....

[@davem5333]

If a Ferrari is totalled in an accident and another appears with the same VIN number they can just say it was rebuilt.

[@the_frankc]

"400 cars" 😂

[@John_Hoover]

The extra production is hurting values. How much is unknown, but when more “limited production” cars are made, each is worth less. Supply and demand.

[@TheCannonball79]

Great research, keep up the good work.

[@jorgekontor]

The F40 is a great example, they claim 500 units I think ended up building over 1300

[@amarjit_singh_]

Who claimed that the F40 was a production run of 500 units?

[@jorgekontor]

@@amarjit_singh_ Ferrari themselves said limited production , if I recall right was 499 to sell and 1 for the museum.

[@amarjit_singh_]

@@jorgekontor Ferrari originally intended to make 400 units (399 customer cars, 1 car for auction) but they expanded the production and this is different from claiming X number of units being built as you said. Ford also did the same with the 2016 Ford GT, by increasing production numbers meanwhile McLaren with the Elva reduced the production numbers!

[@jorgekontor]

@@amarjit_singh_ then Ferrari does it over and over examples F40, F50, enzo, 599 aperta, 458 speciale and aperta, and so on. The plaque only says 1 of xx units it is not numbered. Ford did something similar yes but they knew the demand would always be bigger then the supply. Creating value on the cars .

[@amarjit_singh_]

@@jorgekontor F40 should be excluded from the list because Ferrari didn't claim but they planned and the plan changed! Those other cars which you listed do have more units than claimed and it's because there were/are many testing and development prototypes which were/are converted to customer specifications and sold to customers! This is a common trend among automakers making limited production cars! You name it Porsche, McLaren, Pagani, etc.!

[@ajdahun]

So let me get this straight, it's a bad thing to be the owner of a "one owner" Enzo, crash said Enzo into write-off oblivion and call up Modena and cry into the teleFon? Whereto Ferrari says they'll make you another one EXACTLY like the one you entirely ganked (right down to the VIN). Try n put oneself into the bespoke, tailored by a master cobbler, penny loafer's of said Enzo's owner, if one can. That's not a bad thing at all, in fact it is a good thing, a very good thing.

[@JakeM218]

Large artists often do this with limited edition art prints as well. If one is damaged beyond repair, you can usually have that limited edition print re made for a fee, with the same identifier.

[@Hammerhead547]

Ferrari being duplicitous isn't surprising.

[@hifinsword]

I guess I just don't get it. Most of the post here seem to say LYING by Ferrari is OK, as long as the value of your car isn't impacted. To me, LYING IS LYING! Honesty is worth more to me than any car.

[@rebaaecu]

It al depends on the definition of what “repairing a car” is. If their policy says “as long as 1 screw is kept from the original car, then, it’s the same car” nobody can complain anything

[@raymondfrank9202]

good one, I remember seeing one on the streets of Austin, Texas. i also remember seeing one on eBay for $1,000,000 should have bought it.

[@alain99v6]

5:27 the picture of Enzo and Gilles Villeneuve, classic !

[@ScotchPolo]

Sounds like Ferrari are using applying their F1 knowledge of exploiting loopholes in the system until it's deemed illegal or banned for their road cars too. In many ways, kudos to them.

[@jamesbizs]

There is no such thing as a loop hole. If there is no rule/law, or you’re following them, it’s not a loop hole by definition.

[@elhadjiamadoujohnson4166]

@@XennialGuywhat is wrong with you?

[@Damesplace]

My Grandfather was friends with Brock Yates, as well my Father. Blessed to see the cannonball run myself, learning more about him .....the Black Hand was heavy where we are from as well....wild. And always the little guy gets the shaft. My Family also created Horch cars, precursor to Audi. Crazy the lives they lived..... Subscribed and stoked for the stories ✌️

[@donaldparlett7708]

I can feel Enzo rolling in his grave as you talked . The letters from Ferrari coming.

[@bruth6138]

Ferrari, from a consumer standpoint, is an obsolete brand.

[@mcyclonegt]

Anyone that owns an Enzo is not screwed. That whole idea is absolutely insane.

[@crackyourback]

What's amazing is that people actually place a high value on gaudy materialism like cars.

[@a64738]

That is not amazing at all, a car you can drive and it is a wonderful experience when you like driving. What is amazing is people paying millions for art that is just paint splatter on a canvas...

[@TOM-C.]

This is just another reason I hate Ferrari! They are basically practicing the art of blackmail requiring the purchase, and advertising of their cars to enable favoritism by Ferrari when the newest greatest model comes out. This, and the fact they refuse to adopt current technology in the form of media. When I'm driving, I love to have my music blaring, and I love the tech behind touch screens. If Ferrari wants to keep their cars old school, fine, install flip out screens to make the interior seem like it's old school by not having a big ugly screen always on view. But, that would cost money, and I do get they think of their cars as driver's cars, and the need for top of the line stereo equipment is not high on the list. I do love some of their models, the F40, F50, Enzo, the Laferrari, and a few more, but would never buy one, had I the money in the first place, due to Ferrari's steadfast policy of no media screens, and buyer favoritism. I'm not purchasing your cars so I can get a one up. This brand is a brand for the filthy rich like David Lee here on KZbin who doesn't mind being part of the Ferrari mindset, and abides by the Ferrari rules. Maybe he's just a collector who knows the values of these cars, and is playing up to Ferrari so he can sell these cars at a huge profit in the future? But, for me, on the surface, it's just a rich guy, Ferrari club I wouldn't join if you paid me, it's too pompous! 👍😎✌🗽

[@Mr-pn2eh]

Ferrari has already been putting screens in their cars since at least the early 2000s

[@bwofficial1776]

Rolex does the same thing. They artificially limit production to induce demand. To buy one of the good ones, you have to build a relationship with the dealer and the brand. You have to buy some of the crap nobody wants at high prices to even be considered for the waitlist. I remember reading a story from a guy. He had the money to buy a new 812 Superfast or whatever the top of the line Ferrari was at the time. When he went to buy it, the dealer suggested that he look at some of the used Ferraris out back. The guy refused because he wanted an 812. The dealer refused to sell it to him and told him that Ferrari needed to evaluate his commitment to the brand by buying several used ones and driving them before he'd be allowed to buy a new one. The guy walked across the street and bought a Lamborghini instead. Some celebrity wrapped his Ferrari with a nyan cat wrap and Ferrari threatened to sue him. He traded it for a Lamborghini and Lamborghini was like "it's your car, do whatever you want with it. It's free advertising for us anyway."

[@TOM-C.]

@@bwofficial1776 Yeah, I now get the argument between Ford, and Ferrari. Ferrari likely reneged on that important aspect of the sale, the racing team. We showed them who's boss when we put our minds to something! I guess all carmakers do this to some degree, but Ferrari takes it next level as does Rolex! 👍😎✌🗽

[@TOM-C.]

@@Mr-pn2eh Not center mounted media touch screens. Unless I'm mistaken, I have never seen a touchscreen in a Ferrari? I think the Lusso, and the Roma do have touchscreens, but these are not really supercars, they are GT's aimed at a different audience.👍😎✌🗽

[@tiloalo]

They simply replaced everything around the key to fix it...

[@artnull13]

Ferrari cloning VINs - I’m guessing that’s legal now 😂

[@Avto28]

For all the reasons to don't like Ferrari you picked the least relevant one, unless you flip cars :)

[@JH-wd6dp]

I suppose it depends on if the additional productions are simply replacements for ones that no longer exist. Not to say I agree with the practice, but more so to say, it's interesting nonetheless if the overall total in existence remains at a certain number.

[@r.sakarollsafe1285]

you are missing the point. Lets take the example of the car in the video 2:49. The owner crashed and totaled his Enzo ( so be it if its his son), every other normal car, we would get a replacement (if that is such a thing) and we would get a new VIN. But Ferrari's, it's like you never crashed one before, you will have the same VIN, serial numbers everything. So what you are buying, is an exclusive deal with Ferarri to be the 349 number of owner. Then if you ever so wished your son to have one, they can replicate the same car with the same VIN and everything. you can crash one everyday, as long as you can pay to have the replacement, you will have the "limited edition" car still Conclusion, Ferrari is not as exclusive as we might think it is.. Rolex don't announce their production numbers to keep themselves "limited" too, with mad long waiting list. why? it's great marketing and drive the price up. In Ferrari's case, justifying it. The car is no more greater than a Viper, albeit a better engine.

[@JH-wd6dp]

@@r.sakarollsafe1285 I think you are missing my point. It's strange you are trying to argue that Ferrari doesn't give an exclusive deal while in the same comment saying they will give you a service other car manufacturers won't. That sounds pretty exclusive to me. Sure, the production may not be limited to 349 and never another one, but it's still limited to 349 at a given time to the same owners. That's still pretty exclusive and a pretty good deal for those owners. I get that bothers some people, but I personally find it interesting. Especially if it means the only additional productions are strictly the replacement of one that are destroyed beyond repair, as per my original comment. In other words, I didn't miss the point. I chose to ignore it. Just like Ferrari and those with such a deal have chosen to ignore it.

[@mrcojocaru]

@@r.sakarollsafe1285 the weird thing is that it seems like production is usually 150ish higher than the claimed number of units. That's not all that much and if they were just honest, nobody would really care. As the guy in the video says, the prices go up regardless.

[@r.sakarollsafe1285]

@@JH-wd6dp noo its not limited to 349. there will be multiple owners with the same VIN Ferrari is the whole point of the video. Its only "limited" to 349 on Ferrari's book

[@r.sakarollsafe1285]

@@mrcojocaru yeah. just don't announce the numbers like Rolex. A Ferrari is still a Ferrari to car collectors

[@greekguytalks]

"Buying a Ferrari is stupid, dating someome who has one is smarter....." never give up!

[@johnh2349]

There should be a new classification on CarFax; “Car replaced on ______ date.”

[@iggytse]

If I owned an Enzo I would be more than happy Ferrari would sell me a 2nd one with the same VIN I wrote it off in an accident.

[@gravyd316]

Imagine thinking snapping pictures of cars and vin's is going to get you ended........ I guess he has to find some way to make something like that interesting.

[@perarduaadastra873]

Jay Leno won’t participate with Ferrari. He loves the cars, but finds the attitudes of the company unacceptable.

[@hellcat-707]

😂 Someone who sold his clothes money for getting a Ford when Ford followed the same or similar practices for which he won't buy a Ferrari, can't be taken seriously!

[@bwofficial1776]

He's a smart guy. Ferrari thinks their excrement doesn't smell and if their customers know what's good for them they agree. I know he likes his Lamborghinis, especially since Lamborghini was the direct result of Enzo Ferrari being an asshole.

[@TortugaDeRio]

Close your eyes and this guy sounds like a young Ray liotta

[@ruthlessreid9172]

Shady Italians say it isn't so. I'm not surprised.

[@Rascofresco11]

It's almost as if when there is an instance of an extra amount of cars made it adds to the myth of the car. Seems that the extra ones even gain their own value. Kinda like how a misprint currency can be worth more than it's actual face value

[@ryant.7837]

​@AlexanderHenry-hz3td stop.... no one wants your religious beliefs or to hear about some God you want to follow... PS Allah isn't a God... Jesus Christ is the only savor ever....

[@AngieMeadKing]

It's still limited either way even if it's not the right count. Maybe they have poor accounting system haha

[@richardwintle1020]

Can we talk about dry weights, acceleration figures, and top speeds too? ;)

[@hellcat-707]

Those aren't just applicable to Ferraris

[@richardwintle1020]

@@hellcat-707 True enough! See also: American muscle car horsepower figures circa the 1970's oil crisis. :)

[@hellcat-707]

@@richardwintle1020 Look at Lamborghini

[@hellcat-707]

@patrino Which is a useless value

[@Hewitt_himself]

does that 500 plus a few dozen, include Mazerati MC12's (just enzo in full race bodykit), cause that would make it closer to 450 enzos

[@MarcSob22]

And how to lie on the internet for fame with haters!! The extra numbers are always the test cars that end up being sold later, with rare exceptions!! Well typical bunch of haters love to lie!

[@ThomasMann-o9q]

This is part of the legend, if it wasn't like this their cars would probably be worth less :) This is why they do not mind him disclosing this story.

[@BMW7series251]

Always wondered about the La Ferrari numbers!? Think it's 499 made but every collector in the world seems to have one! Is it really only 499 or 500 with the Pope's one?

[@4K1R4-00]

It's over 600 Coupes + 210 Apertas (but I wouldn't be surprised if there are more than 210)

[@Thorniepanda]

6:32 legit thought a big crawled across the bottom left corner of my screen 😂

[@smokeybear390]

If you’re buying a car based solely on production numbers for exclusivity or as an investment the value isn’t really effected by the fact there’s more because people only care about the fact Ferrari says there’s this many so it ultimately doesn’t matter, and if you’re buying the car to enjoy it it’s good cause there’s more of them

[@MichaelJames-lz7ni]

Exactly - no Enzo owner ever lost money buying their car.

[@fizoust2]

I’m not sure the hill I want to die on is whether Ferrari made 399 or 500 of some ultra expensive model. But you do you boo.

[@daexion]

The limited production numbers are simply there for marketing purposes and actual production numbers will never match them since most customers wouldn't normally be able to find out the numbers for the limited production run were higher than stated. Today with people having the ability to find cars around the world it's easier to spot these discrepancies in the numbers, but the ppl buying them might not be looking for that and rely simply on "it's a limited Ferrari!" sentiment. It is an interesting hobby for some, though.

[@Viktorprj19]

Finally..I was looking for this comment !! Make me sick how people got mad for bullshit like the real number of the Enzo Ferrari when the 99,9999% of them could never even see one in real life..let alone buy one! 😂😂 I really hope most of this comments comes from 10 yo kids!

[@MikeGeerts]

I think 70% of cars manufactured by the year 2032 should be Enzos.

[@adamconnell5965]

The Jamails are indeed pretty cool people in my experience... I taught two of the grandkids at a music summer camp. NGL... some of the guitars that showed up to camp were items I would otherwise never have been able to physically hold. I didn't really care about who "they" were until a guitar that easily was worth a year's salary arrived one morning and upon a little investigation, we discovered it was indeed not a reproduction and indeed the real deal... The adults proceeded to geek out the rest of the day and we made sure that the father of our student was aware of the guitar that showed up that day. He told us to "enjoy" 😂 and give it a good look over to make sure we didn't see anything that needed proper maintenance. We were entirely qualified to do exactly that and it was also a day that we had a celebrity guest appearance, who was also equally as shocked to see a "real one" in the wild... Over 4 summers I got to know those kids and a bit of the family, and they are delightful people! They weren't our only super famous family, but those kids really genuinely put a lot of effort into their music and that's what mattered to me.

[@carlylebrooks7446]

An extra 100 or so doesnt seem like that big a deal when theres still only around 500 of them.

[@Eatongee]

Cease and Desist incoming. 😪

[@passivehouseaustralia4406]

Now that Ferrari are a public company the problem is overproduction with your model being superceeded before delivery..

[@Nick210]

This guy absolutely has a cease and desist coming his way.

[@troodon1096]

They can try, but truth is a defense in the US.

[@unicorns778]

It's bitter fact that if ferrari has limited edition it over sells units beyond what it quoted

[@joshuajesch7154]

Be interesting to see how Ferrari gets along with whistlin diesel.

[@oldfag_adventures]

that whigga's funny but fuck is he annoying. would be funny to see him get got by ferrari mercs

[@96cobrakid]

I'm sure they could care less

[@Saltience]

You know… Replacing limited edition cars is a good policy, it allows people to truly experience the cars without depleting the amount of cars. Preservation. But, if this was a publicly known policy, it would get exploited to hell right away by as many people as possible. So, it is in the customers best interest for Ferrari to both produce replacement cars, and for them to not talk about how they do that, so that they can both enjoy their car, while not worrying that the amount of them goes too high or too low. That being said Ferrari has probably considered none of this.

[@chiragghuman]

I hate how Ferrari has always been unethical and selling everything based on Marketing and snob value. Also, their panel gaps, quality of materials used, build quality etc. is pathetic when compared to similar German or Japanese brands. Time to boycott Ferrari, I guess!

[@steveballmersbaldspot2.095]

Many products made for wealthier clientele are like this.

[@bwofficial1776]

Always has been. Rolex is the same. You have to build a reputation with your dealer and the brand and buy some of the crap nobody wants at inflated prices to be allowed to be considered for the waitlist for the special stuff. Two of the biggest people to boycott Ferrari are Jay Leno and Ferrucio Lamborghini. Enzo Ferrari insulted Lamborghini so Lamborghini vowed to build a better car. And he did.

[@sultanoftippoo3857]

If Ferrari make such terrible cars, how come their order book is full and their stock price (RACE) has increased 462% in the past 7 years? Please don’t say it’s because all their rich customers are stupid. I know a few wealthy people who own Ferraris and can confirm none of them made their money from being stupid.

[@chiragghuman]

@@sultanoftippoo3857 Try reading the book "Predictably Irrational". That should answer your question. And yes, once again - Ferrari's build quality is shoddy, unethical and not consistent when compared to similarly priced German cars. Once you buy them, drive them and own them for a few years, you'll know where I'm coming from.

[@sultanoftippoo3857]

@@chiragghuman Well I’ve owned many German cars - 2003 e39 M5, 2010 e92 M3, two SL’s (500SL and an SL320) and all were excellent reliable cars. Unfortunately I also owned a new 2017 M2 and the unreliability of that car along with the problems my wife had with her Audis and two Mercedes put us off ever buying a new German car again. I now drive a Toyota GR Yaris as my daily runabout and have owned a 1995 Ferrari F355 for four years as my weekend car and in that time it has run like a Swiss watch. Much as I’d love to read the book you recommend, as an owner of a Ferrari and someone who has several friends who own more modern Ferraris I can tell you there is a reason their stock price is outperforming every German manufacturer and it’s because they make great cars. Sorry that doesn’t fit with your narrative of them being “a shoddy and unethical” company but the truth is somewhat different as is the myth of the reliability of modern German cars.

[@johnforeman634]

I initially thought well what’s wrong with inserting an identical car back into the registry with the same VIN number until I realized that there’s going to be dealerships that will now have service records on a vin that won’t match the car with that vin. Unless,of course, Ferrari directs that all service records be erased from the system upon that car rolling out of the factory doors.

[@tylerandrews55]

Ferraris are overrated

[@CrimsonRequiem1]

I’m kinda hurt because I saw a LaFerrari and Enzo parked side by side inside a garage absolutely DUSTY and didn’t take a pic of the vins lol

[@fz0gtg]

I’ve been saving up for 40 years so that in retirement I could afford to buy a Ferrari but after seeing this video I think I’m going to reconsider which car I will buy. Perhaps a British or German car is in my future instead of an Italian one!

[@fatpad00]

Lamborghini as a car company exists entirely as middle finger to ferrari

[@milosbrajkovic9855]

Buy a Alvis TD 21, a proper car for a real gentleman!

[@sultanoftippoo3857]

You’ve spent 40 years saving for the car of your dreams and you watch a KZbin video and the presenter convinces you that you were wrong for all these years? I saved for my F355 for best part of 30 years to be part of my pension and I bought it just over 3 years ago. The car has always run like a Swiss watch and I don’t regret the purchase for a second. Listen to your heart rather than internet no marks who create content like this purely to earn clicks and money. I wish you well in whatever you decide to buy.

[@marklynch1305]

Get a Porsche.

[@chemicalspore]

Bold coming from a company thats hands out cease and desist orders.

[@The_Endo]

Hell ya, speak out! Thanks VINwiki for posting this :)

[@TundeEszlari]

Wonderful video.

[@jimmysuperduty1484]

This guys got big stones meddling with rich Italians

[@rddiesel1]

The type of guy that got every party shut down in high school 🤣

[@darkki94]

To be fair 400 or 500 in the world does not change anything , if they said they will make 400 and then make 4000 it would be significant enough but a 25% increase is not enough , same with a car that is to be make only 4 of and then they make a 5th ... it's still rare and expansive as hell .

[@amarjit_singh_]

Precisely

[@mariodesmo]

I like knowing that if I crash the crap out of my Scud, I can call Guido and have him make another one for me just like the original one, and with the same VIN. Knowing that lets me sleep better at night!

[@Mr-pn2eh]

Build it again Tony

[@ZondaF355]

If its the exact carbon tub im not sure what the big deal is. What makes a car? Tub, engine?

[@Deetroiter]

Not sure why people buy Ferrari when you can't even do what you want with your own car. It's the equivalent of buying a Leica Camera and you can't take certain photos or else they blacklist you, sue you, etc. Plain ridiculous

[@amarjit_singh_]

Wdym by can't even do what you want?

[@ZboeC5]

Jay Leno doesn't own a single Ferrari because of how bad they are to deal with.

[@hellcat-707]

Do you know the full story?

[@Elberoth]

Jaguar has built 281 XJ220s out of 350 planned ... that is the way to go, lol.

[@magnacars]

My boss has the ZXX but he rebuilt that through Edo Competition after flooding it.