How Filoni SAVED Count Dooku’s Character - The Jaded Jedi Who Just Wanted Better for the Galaxy

[@inquisitorgarza312]

Anakin and Dooku were very similar in their view of how the Jedi should defend the people of the Republic, but they both saw how the Jedi have become servants of a corrupt senate, and sadly both lost someone they loved that finally pushed them to the Dark Side.

[@Jesse12489]

The only difference between the two is Anakin wanted more. He believe with power he can do anything. Dooku was selfless. He was fighting for the people.

[@dreadrath]

@@Jesse12489 Sadly in the end Sidious and The Dark Side corrupted them both all the same, and they became warped versions of themselves. Kind of makes me wonder though how things might've gone had Dooku never started working with Sidious and instead somehow ended up being Anakin's master instead of Obi-Wan. I think they'd both end up leaving the Jedi Order at some point and travel around as free agents, lending their help, and if need be, their lightsabers to whatever cause they deemed needed them most.

[@krel3358]

@@Jesse12489 Dooku was a count and I think he fell to delusion as is what happens when you go to the dark side, Dooku had attachments and an ego saying I know whats best I can break the rules. The dogma of the Jedi is there for a reason but they arent intentionally breaking it they just dont understand what they are doing is wrong because they are acting as a collective and refusing for individual decision making and ingoring practicals in favour of theory. What Dooku does when he turns to the Sith is like throwing the baby out with the bathwater because he wrongly thinks the baby is dead. His turn to the dark side was ultimately a result of extreme guilt and loss he refused to acknowledge due to the Jedi just telling him to suppress his feelings echoes by his words of "What choice do I have?" What is very similar between Dooku and Anakin is that both of them are take charge individuals who believe in decisive actions over deliberation and are not afraid of doing dirty work. They are both disrespected by a Jedi council that has lost touch with reality and see themselves as masters who should have more influence due to their profound experience and wisdom. Anakin is refused status as master and Dooku is just plainly treated like a lesser for being "unorthodox" I see it to a degree an arguement in eastern religions of who has spiritual authority in the caste system the Priests or the Warriors and both sides argue for them being higher up. In this case its clearly the warriors who feel like they are being oppressed by the priests dominating the political structure of the jedi order, which is then ironically echoed with the Sith and Palpatine being disappointed that Vader is a warrior and not a priest.

[@Philipp3022]

​@@Jesse12489 Sidious: "You're one man against a galaxy full of scoundrels" - Dooku: "One man should be able to make a difference if he is powerful enough"

[@matthewmann8969]

@@krel3358 Qui Gon And Quinlan were also maverick and renegade and unorthodox and not by the books jedi either and later on Ahsoka as well all of them including Dooku And Anakin are in a lot of ways like Treya And Revan yeah.

[@generalkenobi1972]

I know a lot of people always thought of Count Dooku as boring and one dimensional but he is one of those characters the deeper you dive into the lore the more interesting they become. Clone Wars despite all the cool things they added to SW failed to capture Dooku's true nature and turned him into a cartoon villain who was just plain evil nothing more. Im actually really grateful that more SW fans are able to appreciate him more thanks to Tales of the Jedi

[@ricardoesteban.8826]

I agree with Master Kenobi, the same happens with General Grievous both Dooku and him are characters with an incredible back story that diserves to be portrait in the series.

[@gamerkev30]

Episode II showed that Dooku wasn't simply evil, he had joined Palpatine because he thought it was the right thing to do, but of course he was wrong. He had wanted obi wan to join him to beat Palpatine because he knew what his plan was. Palpatine completely outsmarted him by the time episode 3 started though.

[@decepticonxhunter4850]

By the time of the Clone Wars, Dooku was plain evil. Are ppl really supposed to gloss over the amount of atrocities and war crimes he committed just because he wanted ppl to believe that he simply wanted to fix the galaxy's problems?

[@V.B.Squire]

I was very surprised when watching TPM a central FBI style Jedi rather than scattered isolated monasteries of Warrior monks I don't know what GL was thinking, mystic monks are nothing like feds

[@generalkenobi1972]

@@ricardoesteban.8826 i feel like Star Wars has a problem with people changing, for example whenever there is a character like Dooku who is obviously evil but has reasons for being that way they always explain it with "he was always like that" like how they changed Grievous backstory to simply "he wanted to be a cyborg"

[@curranlakhani]

Dooku's story has always struck me as a demonstration of the concept "The road to hell is paved with good intentions"

[@grandadmiralzaarin4962]

I do like this more sympathetic version of Dooku for it makes him more complex, it fits more with his earlier Legends variant before the Darkside fully corrupted him by the end of the Clone Wars and he became a monster.

[@masteroftheassassins]

If I was a Jedi apprentice, I would want either Dooku (canon) or Qui-Gon Jinn. Because they were Jedi who did the right thing simply because it was the right thing to do and not doing it for the politicians. That’s the kind of Jedi I would want to be.

[@taitano12]

It wasn't even because they felt it was the right thing to do. They listened to The Force and let The Force decide right and wrong. Dooku became quite evil when he succumbed to The Dark Side and started deciding for himself what was best for EVERYONE. Before that, before Episode 2, he was very good. You could even say that he would have been a Good Sith (I think there had been only one or two Good Sith before him), but I think he became a genuine Sith around the end of Episode 2. Even then, his lack of Sith eyes showed that the Good man was not far from the surface.

[@alpha_9997]

@@taitano12 hes like anakin except anakin is powerful so he was able to redeem himself

[@joogullae3456]

You wouldn't be a jedi then you would be a sith

[@darin7150]

The glory of free thinking individualists!!! All they have to do is stay on the right path, and then they literally find all of the answers!!!

[@marcintworek5031]

@@alpha_9997 Dooku was powerful too, and Anakin was redeemed not by power but by love for his son, and as a result he returned to the light side.

[@kevingluys3063]

Something Ive always liked about Dooku is the disgust he shows to his corrupt accomplices, and his satisfaction when it comes time to dispose of them. He was excellently portrayed as a good guy who became a bad guy. He has always hated evil people, and definitely still does, even now that he is one. It's a complicated kind of character and an easy one to mess up (not saying he isn't frequently messed up)

[@sirelfinjedi]

I loved the nuance they treated Dooku with. Sadly I felt like Mace endured some character assassination since he was behaving in ways that she to contradict his character.

[@Eli-akad]

Not really because some of those traits can actually be seen in Windu in both the clone wars and the movies just far less noticeable. So take into consideration this was a much younger Windu so he still had a lot of time to mature more

[@sirelfinjedi]

@@Eli-akad I don't know. Having clear evidence o of wrongdoing and still wanting to check with the council, a process that would take months? That seemed very different than the Windu who was ready to take out the Chancellor of the senate immediately.

[@Mateocabrera2389]

Windu represent everything wrong with the Jedi order. That wasn’t character assassination that’s just who he is.

[@dreadrath]

Errr, yes and no. Windu has always been pretty rigid and inflexible, as well as a bit too much of a "The Council Knows Best" kind of guy, so his actions were somewhat in character, I just think they pushed those traits a little too hard and he came off as more of an asshole than he actually is. They just seemed to amplify is worse qualities more than was needed. But you do have a point that, by his movie counterpart's standards, he'd have probably supported Dooku attempt to get to the bottom of things, or at least considered it.

[@Jorge-ob1iu]

@@sirelfinjedi I'd argue that a seemingly rogue senator is quite a bit different from THE Sith lord the Jedi were looking for. A different situation warrants a different response. Regardless, I think it's a rather poetic form of character progression. Whereas Mace was once the council knows best guy, he realized Dooku was right all along and that matters needed to be taken into his own hands. And that in turn kinda faded the difference between a sith's way and the jedi way as well for a bystander like Anakin, which probably made the decision to join Sidious easier too (when he beheads Dooku, Anakin tells Palpsy that wasn't the jedi way so it's a clear distinction between sith and jedi for him). It's a beautiful way of characters influencing each other, sometimes years in advance.

[@Toramai-pi8wx]

I like the canon interpretation. It’s more complex and shows parallels between Anakin and Dooku as pointed out by some. Both fell to the dark side because they were convinced they were right. And ironically, they became the very evil that they struggle against.

[@aster4jaden]

I still think Dooku should've got a proper 20 Minute per Episode Series, he's so fascinating.

[@TheWarmachine375]

Tales of the Jedi also changed Yaddle's fate from Legends by making her trying to redeem Dooku and failed after he took her down.

[@jaieregilmore971]

I like her legends death better than this version it is more honorable she sacrifice herself for millions of people on a planet including Anakin from a bio weapon.

[@Mateocabrera2389]

@@jaieregilmore971 I find the canon version far more compelling. Not everyone can have a heroic death and this tragedy of failing to redeem Dooku is narratively more powerful imo

[@Ray-yv7kn]

@@Mateocabrera2389 Except her Legends death can be seen as a confirmation or corroboration to the theory that Yoda's species are powerful in the Force. Also imagine living for so long to die like that lol. And then there's Disney wanting strong female characters, yet wasting this one.

[@DeathMessenger1988]

@@Ray-yv7kn Finally, a ray (no pun intended) of reason and logic to expose Disney's bullshit!

[@lerneanlion]

If there is one things I have to bow to Canon, it will be the portrayal of Count Dooku before his fall to the Dark Side. If only Yaddle did not be an idiot and make things worse like those other fools in the Jedi Order, the Separatist Alliance may actually have a decent and good leadership. So yes, this portrayal of Dooku is my personal canon to me.

[@user-nm1lx8qb3u]

You mean if Yaddle told the jedi council what was going on, the separatist would have been the good guys? And dooku wouldn't have been evil? Sounds neat! could...could you elaborate further please?😅👉👈

[@lerneanlion]

@@user-nm1lx8qb3u At the very least, it will give some Jedi a wake-up call that the Republic has become the very thing they are supposed to fight against. Obviously, this will eventually led to the Second Jedi Civil War and it might work in Sidious' favor because he does not even need an actual controlled opposition anymore because there will be Jedi who fought for the Separatists and those who fought for the Republic alike. And if he managed to become the Supreme Chancellor, he can actually blame the Jedi for starting a war earlier than in how things went in Canon. The different here is that Obi-wan will be conflicted about who to side with between Dooku and the Jedi Council. He might even look at Anakin and might be convinced because Anakin himself is basically the proof that the Republic is not working anymore. So who knows, Obi-wan and Anakin might actually be part of the Separatists Alliance here. However, Palpatine still has a trump card in his hands and that is Padme Amidala. If he sensed Anakin's feelings for Padme, he can used her to his advantage. Maybe setting up an ambush for the delegation that she is part of in an attempt to get him out of the war or turn him to the Dark Side or maybe even make him jealous by dragging Rush Clovis into this and making it looked like the Banking Clan is being biased, thus forcing the Separatists to launch an invasion of Scipio to secure the banks, which will led to the Republic to launch the counter-attack. One thing for sure here is that neither sides can use General Grievous here because both sides relied on the Jedi as military commanders.

[@jaieregilmore971]

To be honest it would be better if it was Syfo Dias that Dooku had killed instead of Yaddle.

[@DeathMessenger1988]

Uh, guys? This WAS Dooku in Legends. Disney and Filoni, once again, are doing nothing new. They just decided to focus on a part of Dooku that casual fans just didn't care to see or look into.

[@pullo5518]

Came here from your most recent evaluation from Count Dooku, your content is amazing, great work.

[@taitano12]

This version of Dooku seems more in line with what is shown in the movies and SWTCW. His lack of Sith eyes, leading the Separatists, wish that Quigon was alive "I could really use his help right now." and other behaviors always told me that even the colder, more psycho, motives he expressed were rooted in benevolence. Good people can do great evil when they succumb to the lust for power and control, and lose themselves to the arrogance of thinking they're the only ones who can accomplish justice or even know what it is. So, even though this aligns with previous canon, it doesn't necessarily invalidate Legends material either. He had become verifiably evil. But, if he had succeeded in killing and deposing Palpatine, he probably would have been a more or less benevolent evil.

[@GreenBlueWalkthrough]

Not to even mention the look on his face when Palpatine gave Anikin his kill order...

[@taitano12]

@@GreenBlueWalkthrough When I first saw that look on his face I thought it was a very unsithlike horror at being betrayed by his Master. The Sith during the RoT era would EXPECT a betrayal from either their Master or Apprentice. If anything, he would be either angry or resigned to having failed. After Tales of the Jedi, I think he was horrified that Papa Palpatine would now be Emperor, and knew what that meant.

[@draconianemanations2785]

One problem, none of this is new, was already part of the character. So what's so great about the show? That we got to see the same exact character play out pretty much the same storyline that we already knew he had? Wow, how impressive.

[@Esgles]

@@draconianemanations2785 As a huge Dooku fan(my favourite Star Wars character), it’s the fact his backstory is finally shown on screen with tales of the Jedi. A lot of people didn’t read his expanded story in legends or canon, making him underrated and appear to be a one sided villain in Clone Wars(2008). Tales of the Jedi made Dooku’s backstory more accessible to everyone.

[@draconianemanations2785]

@@Esgles but wouldn't you admit his expanded universe backstory, especially a filled out where there are gaps, would have been far better to see on screen as it was, rather than tinkered with for no good reason?

[@nathaniellong4281]

As I was watching the episodes that Dooku was in, I kept remembering all the context you have given Dooku over time, and recognizing important steps in his development in every scene of every episode. I really liked this short series.

[@GiubileiFernando]

This was always the plan for Dooku's character, there were deleted scenes in Episode 2 that expanded on his backstory and motivations a little. His endgame plan wasn't to give the galaxy to Sidious and the Sith but to use him and then destroy the Sith.

[@DeathMessenger1988]

More like shape the Jedi/Sith into what he viewed to be a proper Order that can protect and govern the galaxy fairly. He just got lost along the path of war and Sidious' manipulations.

[@arlaygiobanslaughter2294]

Count Dooku's portrayal is one of the few adjustments to a character which I dislike Dave Filoni did in The Clone Wars. Sure, he's made him more nuanced now, but let's not forget how much more charismatic, and interesting Count Dooku was in Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith. Originally, Dooku didn't appear outright evil, have an intimidating look on his face, and threaten everyone with force. In Attack of the Clones he was described as "A political idealist, not a murderer." Showing his reputation across the galaxy was still largely benevolent. We had already learned about the corruption of the Republic in The Phantom Menace. The idea that an older Jedi-- who trained Qui Gon of all people had been running about the galaxy and preaching the idea of succession was a more sympathetic point of view. In fact, the only reason most children saw Dooku as evil when watching the movie when they came out, is probably because they remember from the last film. "Battle droids are the bad guys, and Dooku is on the same side as the Battle Droids!!" As an adult now though, I see the Clone Wars as much more nuanced. Talking about the taxtation of trade routes, the Republic's willingness to clone human beings as a slave class of soldiers to fight their wars for them while the civilians didn't really have to fight for their independence. (At least in Legends, apparently, clones were not enough and the Republic did end up having to draft normal citizens to fight with them.) Count Dooku had, at least in the subtext, many reasons to choose the CIS over the Republic, and in fact, the good side of his nature kept the worst aspects of the Confederate Leaders and General Grievous in check. . . or it would have. But then Dave Filloni decided that Dooku needed to be more obviously evil. A bit too obviously evil in my honest opinion. The differences between him an Palpatine are a bit too small in The Clone Wars. Both enjoy being cruel, and using the power of the force to it's utmost potential. Both go around in black suits and capes and are political manipulators. Both have extreme anger issues, and are only as nice as they need to be. The main difference is that Palpatine is a more egotistical, and yet a more tactical, wiser version of Dooku. Dooku is almost reduced to a cartoonish villian at points of Dave Filloni's Clone Wars and I've always had a hard time accepting it. I want to see Dooku actually being benevolent and pragmatic, not killing CIS senators just so he can fill the villian's role in a TV show that was originally aimed towards children. (Though I am really glad that Clone Wars became a show for everyone in the end.) We can also talk about how The Clone Wars handled Grevious, but that's another story for another time. . . Anyways, I haven't seen Tales of the Jedi. I'm sure that as usual, what Dave Filloni wrote for Dooku was great. It's just. . . different than the Dooku I loved from Attack of the Clones, portrayed by Christopher Lee and his beautiful Charisma. I think Lucas always wanted The Clone Wars to be a lot more grey than Filloni made them out to be. But we can also say that Filloni only showed us part of The Clone Wars and there are many other stories left to see, that could show us how much more grey they are. I don't hate Filloni's work. I just think that Count Dooku being more one-dimensional is a problem Lucas did not have, but Filloni himself nearly caused in the first place. So. . . he's not fixing anything here other than his own mistake. I haven't seen Tales of the Jedi though. I'm sure this content centered around Dooku is good. I just want to speak some thoughts that I've had in my mind for a long time regarding Lucas's Dooku and Dave Filloni's.

[@MrChewie1138]

TCW was heavily overseen by Lucas, who has always been insisting that Star Wars is for kids, so it's not really a different vision.

[@seb2750]

The breaking point of Dooku was when he fought Jango's Mando army as the Jedi strike force leader as republic's attack dogs. After the battle, the coin dropped for him how the jedi became the enforcers of the corrupt republic. After this incident, he became kinder to Jango when he formed the CIS.

[@isaackim7675]

Ki-Adi Munda, “He’s a political idealist. Not a murderer.” Dooku (As a Sith), “Allow me to reintroduce myself.”

[@facundogonza5740]

But....what of the droid attack on the Wookies?

[@isaackim7675]

@@facundogonza5740 That’s possible

[@reddragon_2002]

At first, Count Dooku seemed to me a good and very strong man (then this opinion took root, because I really saw firsthand that he was a good and strong man, especially with the release of the series "Tales of the Jedi"). In the second episode, he spoke so sadly about Qui-Gon that his pain was felt. The count also told Obi-Wan the truth about the fact that the Senate is ruled by a Sith lord named Darth Sidious (he even called him by his first name). Then, during the Clone Wars, he said many times that the Senate was ruled by a Sith, he almost bluntly said that Sidious was Palpatine. Dooku definitely didn't want to betray Ventress, but he had to prove his loyalty to the teacher. He did all Sidious's errands. Dooku did not betray Sidious, even when Sidious ordered him to be killed. Christopher Lee is a great actor, thanks to him for his hard work! - I love him. I can't understand how people can compare Anakin and Dooku. I can't understand why people say they had the same motives! Dooku turned to the dark side because he wanted justice for the people of the Republic to overthrow corrupt officials and bring peace to the galaxy. The Count has promoted various projects many times, both in the Senate and in the Jedi Council, but his ideas were constantly rejected. He was told that the Jedi had no weight in the Senate at all, that the Jedi obeyed the Senate and carried out its will. I also agree with the author of the video that the council often took the Senate's words on faith and acted without seeing the whole situation. The The Battle of Halidraan showed the count the incompetence of the Jedi Council, showing that the Jedi are really just puppets of the senators, fulfilling their every whim. In The Book of Dooku: The Lost Jedi. When Dooku became Count Serenno, he also proposed many projects that would make this planet strong and independent, and people's lives better. At first it was, their world flourished, but then, as I understood, for some reason the other ruling houses and people stopped supporting it. (I wouldn't be surprised if Palpatine had a hand in it.) "Why aren't they listening? Why aren't they cooperating? Don't they understand that I'm doing all this for them?" (Dooku's words are a quote from the book) And when Dooku became depressed, Palpatine came to him and convinced him to help him. I would like to draw your attention to the fact that the count turned to the dark side, indeed, in order to help the people of the Republic eradicate corruption in the Senate and give everyone a chance for a better life. Now let's look at Anakin's motive. Yes, Anakin believed that "the system is imperfect", that "the Senate needs a firmer hand", "someone wise", and he also noted that he was not suitable for this. Rather, Anakin "plunged into darkness" when people close to him were in danger (for example, in the comic, when Ventress found out his secret that Anakin and Padme were together, Anakin almost killed her). And yet Anakin turned to the dark side because of Padme, because of the fear of losing his beloved. Because as soon as Padme's life began to be in danger, he only then began to act. Yes, it is understandable why he was not happy when he was not accepted into the "master". Only "Masters" were allowed into the hall of holocrons. When Palpatine told him the story of the "tragedy of Darth Plagueis the Wise" and mentioned that he could save lives, and his student knew how to do it, Anakin realized who he could turn to for help. Thanks to this story, Palpatine provided himself with protection in case they wanted to kill him (and it worked). How did Palpatine manage to lure Anakin to the dark side when he was fighting Mace Windu? Right. He was talking about Padma, not about rooting out corruption in the Senate, improving people's lives, and so on. And then what did Anakin say when Mace was preparing to kill Sidious? "I need him!" and then, when Anakin prevented Mace Windu by chopping off his arm and letting Sidious throw Windu out of the window, he realized that Palpatine had tricked him: "What have I done?! And later, when Sidious called him his disciple-Anakin said, "I'll do whatever you say, just save Padme from death, I can't live without her"-that's his reason! (and at that moment he was telling the truth) But do you know what killed me? when Palpatine uttered the following phrase: ".....Together we can solve this mystery" (the mystery of how to save lives). In fact, Sidious bluntly told Anakin that he didn't know how to save Padme! and Anakin, apparently, ignored this fact, and then swore allegiance to the emperor. Aaaaaa... And where does it say this about manipulating his desire to help people? Anakin went to destroy everyone himself. He went to kill children. Yes, he later went to Mustafar to kill the separatist leaders "to bring peace to the galaxy," but it was for Padme and their future, remember what he said: "I can overthrow the chancellor," "And we will rule the galaxy together as we wish." Initially, Anakin switched to the dark side so that Sidious would teach him how to save people from death. After all, Anakin killed Padme himself. First, he began to strangle Amidala, Anakin almost strangled his beloved, failing to recognize the truth when she said "that she did not know that Obi-Wan was here." (The dark Side clouded his mind, and Skywalker could not feel that she was telling the truth), thus, Skywalker broke his promise, made at the wedding and at his mother's grave, "that he would not harm his beloved" and, most importantly, "that he would not let anyone die." Secondly, by his act, he also proved to Padma the truthfulness of Obi-Wan's words that Anakin had changed, that her lover had left. Although she tried to cling to life, grief stifled her hope that "Anakin is still good." Obi-Wan tried to show what Skywalker had done, but Anakin wasn't listening to him. (By the way, I just noticed that the scene from season 4 of episode 13 is somewhat similar to the scene from Mustafar. There, Dooku strangled the queen of the Zygerrians until Anakin came and told him to "let her go." And in the movie, Anakin started strangling Padme until Obi-Wan said: "Don't touch her, Anakin." But that's where the similarities end.) Bottom line: Anakin is a real puppet of Palpatine, whom Palpatine began to manipulate from childhood, giving him what Obi-wan and the entire council of the Jedi Order could not give - understanding and support. Thus, Palpatine set the stage for more careful manipulation, and moreover, Anakin himself told him how to manipulate him when he talked about his life, which Palpatine willingly took advantage of. And now the MAIN question is: can we say that the motives of Count Dooku and Anakin coincide????!!!! - I think they don't match!!! (And yes, that's my opinion).

[@rodgill9376]

I'm just glad that Dooku is getting the dues and respect he deserves as a character. He was always one of my favorite characters in Star Wars. In both Legends and Canon, we all understood the reasons why he left the Jedi Order. Bad enough that there was so many problems within the Republic and corruption going on, but also the inactions and complacency of the Jedi Order when they were supposed to be followers of the will of the force, first and foremost. Not act as bodyguards and following the wills of a government that doesn't care about the citizens of the galaxy at all. Qui-Gon Jinn's death was just the icing on the cake. While I do not condone Dooku's actions afterwards, his reasons were still legitimate.

[@LMG1792]

" he is a political idealist" I personally love Dooku as he is my favorite character and think he sums up doing the wrong thing for the right reasons. He started off doing what he thought was best but the further he got into it the more the dark side overtook him.

[@morlath4767]

To paraphrase a quote about a non-SW character: "If the Jedi were truly as they encouraged the people to believe, then the Republic would not be as broken and corrupt as it was. Instead, their moves - on the rare occassion they actually made any - are always calculated to maintain the status quo, while every once in so often using their influence to aid some lost soul. Even their great battles against the Sith could be same to only come about to save their own Order. In short, they are basically the galactic version of Hamlet - their defeault position is to always wait and consider different paths, paralysed by uncertainty, and by the time they made any decision, it was almost always too late to do any real good. Just in time to claim moral hgh ground, but never when their decisions might make them responsible if a situation doesn't turn out as planned. "

[@elisekehle8520]

I've always loved dooku as a character and as a villain, because he responds to so many legitimate problems with kneejerk racism and terror, making the dark side a perfect metaphor for fascist responses to real world problems. This new more honorable interpretation is cool, though i would like to see Dooku's speciesism addressed one way or the other

[@batofkrypton9765]

If anyone has played AC Rogue. Shay Cormac the protagonist and Dooku are in the same situation it's very similar their origin and the way they defect from assasin to templar/ jedi to sith.

[@mariogarcia7445]

Frankly I believe that Tales of the Jedi should have been just Tales of the Count. The Ahsoka stories didn't really bring nothing new to the character in my oppinion, while Dooku's backstory could have been further explored, then this series would have been gold. I loved how they handled him in the short screentime he had though.

[@DannyPhantomBeast]

Convince someone they're noble in sacrificing their conscience. Instant recipe for complete monster.

[@nathanweast4397]

Dooku was already in contact with Palpatine in his agenda of intercepting and dispatching of Master Sifo Diyas with the Clone army of Kamino, then deleting it from the Jedi Temple map archives by the time Qui Gon gave his report of his encounter with Darth Maul to the council; he was in too deep before the death of his former apprentice.

[@boko1564]

The new dooku in my opinion is a much more likeable as a character. Before I didn’t care much for him because he’s the villain and stuff, but this mini series does him so much justice on his character.

[@JamesWalker-gj2wc]

This seemed obvious to me even before Tales of the Jedi. It was shown in part from Attack of the Clones and the Clone Wars series. The problem is he was further gone due to his responsibility to both the CIS and the Emperor. When he asked Obi Wan to join him he only shared "A certain point of view.". However, is that not the Jedi way? He didn't lie to Obi Wan and he did want him and or Qui Gon to assist him in taking the Emperor (Sidious) down. Dooku was conflicted and still had designs against the Emperor even with Ventress and Savage Oppress. Neither were good enough to aid him as a trained Jedi master would have been (not because of skills). If Dooku would have betrayed Sidious from within he would have to do it alone because his Army belongs to Sidious so they wouldn't even attack him WHEN he would need help. With a Jedi master at his side the Emperor could not defeat a coordinated attack from a credible Jedi who has aid or can request aid of Clone Troops to attack the Sith Emperor. Sidious could start order 66 early but either way he would defeat his own plans way too early. Ventress and Savage wouldn't afford Dooku that kind of support.🤷

[@quantemwensday]

bolth versions of dooku he started out with good intentions but ended up how he did because of sidiouas

[@Philipp3022]

How Filoni SAVED Count Dooku's character: he created 3 arcs based on the already existing novels which described dooku's complex grey shades before his fall to the darkside.

[@tk-6967]

He didn't, he ruined him in the first place

[@Aerex12]

Exactly. This video is click baity. We already that Dooku was nuance in the books so why do we need to give Filoni more credit. Tales of the Jedi is fine but I wish Disney would acknowledged the EU writers but I know they are not going to do that.

[@tk-6967]

@@Aerex12 Disney themselves have made books about Dooku that is based on Legends stuff, and they are pretty good. This problem is purely the power given to Dave Filoni, he is retconning to much good stuff. As Mace Windu said; 'he's to dangerous to be left' in a senior position.

[@dreadrath]

He started out as a good man trying to good, and sadly, much like Anikan after him, he ended up being twisted and used by Sidious then went on to lose sight of the good they once wanted to do and instead ended up doing horrible things.

[@twalls792]

Dooku was always like that before filoni. Read the republic comics

[@WDWatameVirus]

I feel that part of Dooku's Dark Acolytes was one of the "hot mess" from Legends, the Quinlan Vos going to the dark side arc was amazing and I wish they adapted it to a TCW-like show or something, but all the other characters and scenarios were like, not that fitting into the Clone Wars timeline when there's already so much going on

[@thenewkalpa]

Was Dooku not a genocidal maniac against non-humans in Legends? Geetsly's made a video about this, and ToTJ made Dooku more compassionate, which makes sense how he raised Qui-Gon.

[@twalls792]

@@thenewkalpa he was also a slaver in canon too my guy, the zygerian arc in clone wars

[@tk-6967]

@@twalls792 no, that was solely for sith business

[@digitaldevil696]

My headcannon is that Tales of the Jedi how Dooku started, and the clone wars is where he landed after serving the dark side for so long and skewing his initial perspective

[@zexalbrony4799]

I'm going to play Devil's Advocate here and try to defend the Jedi a bit here. While they are too boged down in procedures and such, I would argue some of those procedures are needed to keep the Jedi in check. If every signal Jedi was allowed to act on their own, then that could defiantly lead to Jedi overstepping their bounds and thinking they know better, eventually leading to them falling to the Dark Side. I mean just look at Revan and his followers, now you were right that the Jedi and Republic were in the wrong about not sending help against the Mandalorians, but Revan and his followers weren't entirely in the right either. Yes, they should have helped because people needed help, but they took it too far, and that eventually lead to all of them falling to the Dark Side and becoming even worse then the Mandalorians, which is exactly what the Jedi Council was afraid would happen if they fought in the Mandalorian Wars, so Revan and his followers proved those idiots on the Council right, that's not good. This brings me to my second point that I'm going to partially defend, the Jedi Council's cautious behavior around Maul. Now while I think they were too cautious, I do agree that there should be some caution and deliberation before taking action. You can't just jump into something without thinking, that can get you in trouble. As much as I think Qui-Gon is an awesome Jedi, I must admit that I see his thinking in the moment as both a strength and a weakness. In Tales of the Jedi Episode 2 we saw how that thinking was a great strength as it allowed him to save everyone involved in the situation, including Dooku from giving too much into his anger. But then that kind of thinking led to his death at the hands of Maul because he was just thinking in the moment instead of being mindful of the future, if he thought ahead he would have realized Maul was luring him into a trap by leading him to a much more boxed in area where the agility of his Form 4 would much less effective because of their being less space to move around in, and trying to separate him and Obi-Wan so he could have an easier time picking them off one by one. He should wait for Obi-Wan to catch up or just not follow Maul into that dead-end corridor. None of this is me saying Qui-Gon is a bad character or Jedi, he's one of the greats, but he has a flaw in his thinking that can lead to trouble, the whole thinking in the moment thing, which can lead to rushing in without thinking. Again, I like Qui-Gon, heck I like other characters with this flaw like Leo from Power Rangers Lost Galaxy or Marcy from Amphibia, because all of them are good people and great characters, but they just need to learn to not rush in without thinking, like Leo rushing into a trap to save what he thought was his brother, or Marcy rushing into the idea of stealing the Music Box, or Qui-Gon with Maul. I still think the Council was too cautious here, they should have sent more help with Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan, like another Jedi or two or something, but they still shouldn't have just rushed right in and sent everything in. There needs to be a balance between Caution and following protocols and doing what you think is right. Because if there isn't, well then you get characters like Dooku, Revan, Anakin, and so many others who try to do good, but took things too far and too much into their own hands and lead them to become the very evils they fought so hard to destroy. Neither side is completely right or wrong here, and I love that type of nuance and how thinking about it and learning from it can help us all to become better.

[@thalmoragent9344]

To be fair, Dooku would've made an Empire even darker than Sidious. At least in Legends 😅 2:56 To be fair, in some instances, their alliance with the Republic was necessary for the greater good tbh, and once the Sith were (mostly) gone, they should've retreated to a homeworld without heavy influence via Senate, which happened mostly cause Couruscant was the last Temple location they had after constant wars against Sith

[@SpottedHares]

Dooku presentation reminds me good omens. “I didn’t so much fall as gently Sauntered downward”

[@sean668]

I don’t think this is really all thanks to Filoni. Dooku’s been this way since the ROTS novel

[@tk-6967]

Filoni ruined his reputation in the first place

[@MrChewie1138]

Lolwut? In ROTS novel Dooku was described as purely evil, moreso than we have ever seen him in the prequels or TCW. He literally was a hardcore human supremacist here who desired to enslave/exterminate all the alien species in the galaxy.

[@Bonshello]

This makes dooku one of my fav characters now

[@khylerbane4523]

It’s a pity Christopher Lee, I’m sorry, *Sir* Christopher Lee, isn’t here to see this. I’d love to have seen his reaction to this show. Or better, hear him voice this series.

[@narnius6139]

In my opinion, even in Canon, in his later years, Dooku was, as you put it, "a fascist hiding behind false idealism". I believe, his motives deteriorated over time. Dooku was an idealist. When idealism is shattered, when an idealist's faith is broken, falling to fascism is the only road left, in many cases. He was an aristocrat, even without knowledge of this, he carried himself as one. He was an extremely gifted individual and saw it as his obligation to use this power to change the galaxy for the better. But no single individual, no matter how powerful and/or disciplined, can achieve the sort of change Dooku craved on their own. It can only be accomplished through collective action. But the senate was never going to accomplish this. And when even the Jedi, the supposedly pure and selfless guardians of peace and justice were unwilling to act, I believe he lost faith in anyone and everyone. When that happens, a person's good intentions dissolve in an ocean of helplessness and they are replaced by something sinister. The reasoning goes as follows: "I've tried it all. I couldn't gain the power I need to affect positive change, without giving up on my principles. If I can't seek fullfillment in life by being selfless, then from now on, I will only seek out my own selfish interest. And the rest of the galaxy deserves everything I will inflict upon it to fulfill my desires; because when I offered them my hand in a chance for salvation, it was rejected. And when power is only granted to those who abuse it, there is no reason for me not to pursue it. After all, if the galaxy suffers one way or the other, at least I can get what I want." And so, you seek out power. You do everything just for yourself. You replace an impossible quest for an ideal world with an emtpy quest to sit upon the throne of a corrupt world... only to fall, inevitably one day. This is how I see Count Dooku and, honestly, his story and perspective resonate with me. If you've read this far, I thank you for taking the time. I'm sorry for any spelling/grammar mistakes, as english is not my first language. Have a good one^^

[@kingorange7739]

Very great analysis. And ultimately you make a good point on Dooku likely losing faith that positive change would actually happen. I think the ultimate downfall was Dooku had too much of a Messiah/ Savior’s complex. He didn’t trust anyone else to know what he did, to do what he does. He must become a monster to install the change because no one will sacrifice as much as him. That was the core of his belief by his fall

[@alecsmith3448]

So in cannon he is Robespeirre, in legends he was Stalin.

[@wetwillyis_1881]

I never really saw Dooku as anything, but his portrail in Tales of the Jedi. I do love what Feloni did with this series, though. He wanted to show the background in the story, to plug the gaps that he hasn’t already.

[@LordCaladbolg13]

I always thought of Dooku the way he is portrayed in these so this works very well for me.

[@indigostudios7851]

Up until Episode 4, I actually forgot Dooku was a Sith Lord while watching the show

[@annoyedbipolar7424]

The more I age the song Coma by Guns n Roses makes sense. There's one part of the song that I think fits with the fall of the Jedi as a whole as well as specific members. I'd say much like SW this has all too much grounding in reality sometimes. (I mean its really good art but I don't wanna live it) "Got your mind in submission, got your life on the line But nobody pulled the trigger, they just stepped aside They be down by the water While you watch 'em waving goodbye They be calling in the morning, they be hanging on the phone They be waiting for an answer, but you know nobody's home When the bell's stopped ringing It was nobody's fault, but your own There were always ample warnings There were always subtle signs And you would have seen it coming But we gave you too much time And when you said that no one's listening Why'd your best friend drop a dime? Sometimes, we get so tired of waiting for a way to spend our time An' it's so easy to be social It's so easy to be cool Yeah, it's easy to be hungry, when you ain't got shit to lose"

[@uumlau]

Robert Heinlein wrote (in the Notebooks of Lazarus Long): "Your enemy is never a villain in his own eyes. Keep this in mind; it may offer a way to make him your friend. If not, you can kill him without hate--and quickly." This isn't to say that there aren't sociopaths who just want to watch the world burn, but even the sociopaths have the lies they tell themselves and the arrogance to believe them. Dooku is just another wannabe savior who told himself enough lies and believed them. I think this exploration of Dooku's character is excellent. I think it explores the point George Lucas was trying to make via Anakin, but with more clarity. People don't start out wanting to be "evil", but it is very easy to slowly build up a set of lies that we believe justify our ever more outrageous actions. It's relevant these days with respect to those who want to shut down open discussions of controversial topics, because they've told themselves the lie that they're in the right and that their opponents aren't going to engage honestly, that their opponents are the bad guys who oppose freedom.

[@indianajones4321]

The Dooku arc was so good

[@worldtraveler930]

This version follows much more closely to my own head cannon version of the Count.

[@erieperry8241]

While I dislike most of the new Canon, Tales of the Jedi and Dooku Jedi Lost are wonderful exceptions. They do a far better job I think showing both just how corrupt the Republic abd the Order had become and just how it could push a jedi to falling to the dark side.

[@kellygreenii]

Dooku had a choice. He just chose the easier, faster way: My Ends Justify Whatever Means Necessary. That’s the “moral” calculus that is a slippery slope to evil. Especially when you won’t take responsibility for your choices along the way: “I had no choice.”

[@gabrielandjavierpinales3689]

Just like Dooku, Revan also created his own Sith Empire to fight against the Jedi and Republic that did not aid them against the Mandalorians raiding the outer rim. Those that fought with him go to war against them on vengeance for being left to die in the war on the Mandalorians, and create a new order in the ashes of the Old. Unbeknownst to his followers. Revan attack the Jedi and Republic to have them adapt to survive, or else they would die with the old ways.

[@masonharvath-gerrans832]

I think both Legends and Canon can be seen as valid. Both incorporate the twisting of Dooku’s initial good intentions by the Dark Side, which causes the original vision to be so warped that whatever mentions of the original ideal is just an empty farce.

[@WR288]

He only saved it after ruining it in the first place. Dooku in TCW is a character assassination compared to his live action self.

[@Mateocabrera2389]

His live action self barely had any character at all aside from small nuggets of info.

[@sarahcook2818]

@@Mateocabrera2389 He had plenty of development in the Legends EU.

[@m3tr0id86]

I don't mind spoilers. I mind when someone ruins my immersion when trying to experience the moment for myself. Dave Filoni definitely does the count real justice. Update: My thoughts of which version of Dooku I prefer is.....yes. Don't shoot me for being a smart-ass let me explain. Update: It can be argued that the TotJ version is true to his character and even the films of what he became and what I notice is that he IS trying to do good for the galaxy, but going purely dark sided is a purely corrupting force. I like to be on the fine line myself, but I lean towards the dark, but I keep reminding myself of why I am doing what I do and it keeps myself in check, which over time the Count forgets

[@tk-6967]

No he doesn't. He was the one who ruined him, therefore he deserves no respect. The greatest stuff Filoni does is stealing from others, but he always makes it objectively worse.

[@m3tr0id86]

@@tk-6967 And Disney has not destroyed characters? I perfectly understand that he made the faux pas of disrupting lore, but Disney has already done that in spades and you don't need need to look down the rabbit hole that far to see it.

[@tk-6967]

The ST? A valid criticism for sure, although... Filoni did it first. Also, the ST doesn't in itself interfere with SW lore that much given the time gap, and people can pick and choose which aspects of the lore *around* the ST they like, and personally I think some aspects are fairly interesting, like the Aftermath novels. Meanwhile, Filoni's shows have all *directly* interfered with important lore, and the background material tends to be crap, especially the Legends era comics that were meant to follow TCW's lore and style. While certainly there have been some interesting concepts, such as a geonosian engineer villain I read about on Wookiepedia, but then they go and ruin it with the shitty TCW writing where the heroes win by fax and the clones barely take losses unless it is offscreen (Orto Plutonia arc) or to show off a powerful weapon/massive army (Malevolence arc).

[@CloneScavengerVulpin8389]

I enjoyed listening to qui-gon and dooku's conversation about the sith.

[@LordofInsanity685]

I believe he was like canon during his time as a Jedi and before the clone wars. His last spark of his former self is shown when he tells obi wan that there is a sith lord manipulating the galactic senate. However, he slowly but surely changed more into his legends beliefs after the clone wars started and by the time he was killed by Anikan he was a ruthless authoritarian who believed in Palpatine’s plans for the Galactic Empire.

[@martintinajero9140]

Count Dooku in the end, was just a tragic character with a tragic ending.

[@DeathMessenger1988]

Uh, Geetsly? This WAS Dooku in Legends too. The only difference is that, by the time of Revenge of the Sith, the novel writer decided he had become humanocentrist like Tarkin. Don't give Disney credit they don't deserve, my guy.

[@Ulron1]

It always pisses me off when people act like Filoni came up with this shit by himself. No, he didn't, he just cherry picks stuff other, more talented writers have come up with first and makes it shittier. Same stuff that Disney does, just on a smaller scale.

[@DeathMessenger1988]

@@Ulron1 Exactly. In other words... George Lucas/original LucasArts writers: *You stand here amidst **_MY_** achievements! Not **_yours!_*

[@RayHardman7567]

I always liked the reason he joins the dark side is to find who gave the order to kill Qui-Gon. This new interpretation is stunning and revalantionary, but it lacks a certain, something.

[@stephen8805]

Dave Filoni hardly saved Dooku. Dooku has always been complex, in Attack of the Clones it was obvious he cared for Qui Gon and wishes to genuinely save the Galaxy through his appeal to Obi Wan.

[@takeovermars]

I read the novel of episode III and he came off as a deeper character in there than clone wars. He's my favorite character and despite how much I enjoy Clone Wars it did drop the ball with him real bad

[@ThinWhiteAxe]

Honestly, as much as I like the bloodless psychopathic fascist Dooku from the ROTS novelization, it makes more sense for him to be a little bit more human, considering he trained one of the finest, most human Jedi of the era. So I guess I'll accept the canon portrayal for my headcanon, simply for the sake of Qui-Gon's character. Also, Sir Christopher Lee.

[@kalechips4564]

It’s interesting seeing the master fall instead of the apprentice

[@lawrenceiacona4753]

You’re completely on point with how the Jedi council did not handle anything

[@АлексейМомот-щ7о]

Dave Filoni: *ruins Count Dooku in the Clone Wars* also Dave Filoni: *guys I saved Dooku*

[@BennyLlama39]

Cam: "Canon-Dooku wasn't some crazed, power-hungry monster--" Me: *cough* Palpatine. 😀

[@MobiusTrigger7]

Ahsoka shouldn’t have been in season 1. And it should have been 100% dooku

[@jellyhair8026]

There was definitely room for much more. I think they played things very safe for some reason.

[@eds1942]

It was the same in the Legends continuity too.

[@leonidryazanov7199]

Lol, «Filoni saved Count Dooku character», while Diloni himself made him one-dimensional in his Clone Wars. Who next great Filoni will save, Grievous?😄 Dooku was pretty multidimensional in SW books long before Filoni came with his pretty simple and clanky storytelling

[@sarahcook2818]

Lol 👏👏👏

[@GreenBlueWalkthrough]

Both can be true as Doku could honestly believe he was the good guy until Palps gave the order to Anikin. And he was a war criminal at least he allowed them to exist in his military and used the people of the outer rim as pawns. Which this is how I always though Dooku to be from watching the movies... A good guy who let the ends justify the means.

[@johndrum9444]

Dooku's character displayed in this series is a poster example of the adage "the path to Hell is paved with good intentions".

[@scottmccrea1873]

The Jedi Code, or at least the Yoda Council's interpretation of it, became a straight jacket. And it suffocated the Order.

[@KenobiandDookuSoloTheSequels]

I liked the Dooku Episodes but I wanted more. We could have gotten four 30 minutes Dooku episodes and extra 4 focusing on Mace Windu. On Dookus part the first episode could have been him training with Yoda as a powerful Padawan and starting to see the corruption. The second one could be like the we got with Qui Qon but expanded. The third one could be him in a mission with other Jedi ( and Qui Qon) like the one with Windu we got but expanded. Lastly we could get the episode with him killing Yaddle and in the end visiting Qui Qons grave after the funeral and activating his red lightsaber he created. I hope we get a second season with Windu, Plo Koon or even kid Anakin with Obi Wan and Post ESB Luke training with Yoda and facing new dangers

[@olbradley]

Dooku is the embodiment of the phrase, “The road to hell is paved with good intentions.”

[@sparkie1j]

I always thought the specist bastard who was almost as evil as sideous made 0 sense for dookus character. So glad its been changed

[@truemikhailov4162]

Honestly with Filoni being a huge star wars fan is a saving grace that alot of other franchises are lacking, case in point what is happening in the Witcher series

[@michaelandreipalon359]

Wasn't he already "saved" with the Open Seasons and Republic comics, the Legacy of the Jedi YA novel, Yoda: Dark Rendezvous, the RotS novelization, and the Darth Plagueis novel in mind? Oh, and TotJ is a travesty that dishonors Legends lore (not doing a memoriam for the late Tom Veitch of Dark Empire and TotJ comics fame is one big sin) and even its own established canon lore (just look how they're treating the admittedly better Ahsoka novel), and I prefer Dooku leaving the Order *after* the events at Naboo. (Still, will just watch the video and leave a like regardless. At least it has more worth than a TOR MMO video.)

[@sarahcook2818]

Exactly!

[@FastTquick]

I really wish that Tails of the Jedi could’ve touched on the Battle of Galidraan from Legends. This was when Dooku and a strike team of Jedi were sent pacify a group of Mandalorians whom as they were told were “massacring civilians” I wonder if Dooku ever expressed any doubts about the claims, or if he thought there would’ve been a better way to stop the Mandalorians without resorting to exterminating the group.

[@Ulron1]

The Mandos fired on the Jedi when the Jedi told them to come in peacefully. If Fett had made the smart decision, his people would still be alive.

[@silentdeath7847]

The dooku episodes are the best ones 😍

[@mkjaerkjersson7749]

Ironic. He could save Dooku's character, but not Grievous'

[@tk-6967]

He didn't save the character, he ruined it.

[@59rlmccormack]

Dooku… is a sympathetic villain with… understandable motives, but he still served a Dark Lord & was one of the keystones to Anakin’s fall.

[@SciFiGuru]

Tbh, all the sympathy for him after this series comes as a surprise to me. He straight up force threw his Padawan into a wall and nobody is talking about that. We already knew he had good motives prior to Tales of the Jedi, if anything the show made me dislike the character more :D

[@maxxor-overworldhero6730]

The road to Hell is paved with good intentions. Especially when the Devil is doing the paving. That in my opinion is the nature of Dooku with Sidious, Sidious of course being the Devil in the saying.

[@MurasakiMonogatari]

Equality. Equality, not equity. Equality of intrinsic value and of opportunity to thrive in whatever way you are capable, NOT equity of outcome. Not only is it a stupid, unrealistic concept in real life, it's particularly unsuitable in the SW universe. How could the Jedi possibly promote equity, when their very existence stems from the fact that only very few people are even force-sensitive, and even fewer can achieve the rank of Master? If anyone is acutely aware of the non-existence of equity, it's the Jedi.

[@danielferrieri7434]

Is Mace Windu a Good Jedi?

[@voodude5800]

Greetslys can you make a video on what happened to the pride of the core during the clone wars and what happened to it afterwards during the empire

[@BadTemperedBadger]

Nothing about Dooku needed saving or changing. It's all in the books.

[@Toiletlord]

Most people aren’t going to watch tales from the Jedi. I know I’m not, or any of the new Star Wars series. Fan apathy is at an all time high. Disney hasn’t really done anything to fix the damage they’ve done to the property until they do people are going to tune out and stay tuned out.

[@tk-6967]

The new star wars series are shit because of Dave Filoni, the only 'damage' disney caused was the Sequels, the rest was Dave Filoni

[@АлексейМомот-щ7о]

@@tk-6967 what about Obi-Wan Kenobi series and Han Solo movie?

[@tk-6967]

@@АлексейМомот-щ7о Obi Wan is again Dave, and tbh Han Solo had a justice league like problem, and yet it is definitely more enjoyable than Justice league.

[@jamiewalsh3349]

The Count Dooku episodes are easily best ones in the series.

[@ethanbatman6623]

Been saying this for years, dooku was a good man manipulated to do bad things for a good cause

[@christopherduthu2452]

The minute the Jedi placed the main Jedi temple on Coruscant they were doomed imo. Even without the Sith manipulation, I think given enough time the Jedi would have fallen more and more into being nothing more than a police force for the senate until ultimately becoming irrelevant. Palpatine and the rest of the sith just accelerated the process

[@kingbubbafatt9945]

My head canon is a bit of both. I agree with this new look from Tales of the Jedi more though.

[@Bluesonofman]

The Jedi should have stayed on Tython

[@axe2373]

Amazing content on sw bro

[@alexandergalarza2616]

I believe in whatever count dooku was doing was trueAnd if he was helping out the Republic for himself to bring two balance to the force even though the Republic themselves were corrupted that count dooku was trying to save them from corruption from the dark side I know count dooku was a good person and you I think he was doing the right thing

[@tk-6967]

No, no he really didn't. We are crediting him for taking credit for a problem that he himself created. All he did was copy-paste the books and comics, and even then he fcked up with Dooku being a member of the Jedi and the *hi*ty way Yaddle died. If you thought Dooku was bad from his movie appearance then I don't understand you, I mean he was really charming and pleasant, and it wasn't really in a deceitful way either, he spoke the truth, he wasn't unpleasant at all.

[@АлексейМомот-щ7о]

Kenobi writers can't even do a simple job of copy-pasting books and comics

[@tk-6967]

@@АлексейМомот-щ7о Yeah, Dave Filoni

[@darthcheesecake3392]

I mean Filoni didn't really do it. Dooku had a cool backstory long before him and Disney.

[@sarahcook2818]

Thank you. While the Dooku episodes were good I really don’t see why Filoni is getting praise for “saving” him.

[@tristankawatsuma8962]

Dooku definitely is very sympathetic and understandable thanks to Canon novels and Tales of the Jedi. While I personally think the benefits of a Jedi-Republic alliance outweigh the negatives, I have to confess that I think the Jedi sat on a lot of political power they could have used for the better. These guys are heroes of the galaxy who take down down pirates, criminals, and gangsters. According to Canon, it was only about a hundred or two hundred years ago they took down the Nihil, the greatest danger to the galaxy since the Sith Empires. They probably could have influenced the Senate to pass reforms to reign in the megacorporations and ensure equality between the Core and Rim worlds. Hell, they could have even provided endorsements to candidates in elections. We see plenty of NGO’s do that in real life. They were practically part of the government and yet it’s only by the time of the Clone Wars they actually start to focus more as an anti-corruption force, a check on the government, and that’s only because they find things about the Clone Wars suspicious. And we know their investigation moves way too slow to stop Palpatine. I really don’t like politics, but it’s plain and clear that if the Jedi became political instead of just serving the Republic, they could have averted many things. They wouldn’t even have to run for office and become leaders. I think though the next step for media portraying Dooku is showing that he did become as bad as Vader. I mean, no matter what the circumstances, we all can agree Anakin as Darth Vader committed numerous crimes. Wiping out the Jedi Order, slaughtering anybody who had an issue with the Galactic Empire, all the loyal Imperials he executed for failure, as tragic as things were for Anakin, we all know he would have to be put on trial if he survived Endor. And it’s going to have to be the same for Dooku. I mean, according to Canon, he actually had his best friend killed to take over the cloning program before he lost his Padawan to Maul. It was always my assumption Qui-Gon died and then Sifo-Dyas died. We also have to recall Dooku had the inhibitor chips installed. Not to mention while a lot of Separatists joined the Rebellion for the same reasons they became Separatists, it was Dooku himself who brought in the Separatist Council and General Grievous, as well as the Zygerrian Slave Empire. I mean, I have to wonder how many Separatists felt bothered Dooku was bringing in organizations and worlds who had more of a vendatta against the Republic stopping their colonization, enslavement, or war operations that were immoral than having issue with the Republic’s corruption. The Dooku at the end of Tales of the Jedi looks more like a Dark Jedi than a true Sith who would do such horrible and immoral things, even if he felt justified. I want to see how he goes from his rogue and rebellious ways to become one of the greatest monsters in history. How does he go from a guy who loses faith in the Galactic Republic and Jedi Order to becoming a Sith Lord who plays a role in the creation of the Death Star and intends to create a sort of empire to replace the corruption of the Republic? How does he go from being forced to kill fellow Jedi for his plans to allying with people who are far worse morally than the Republic? How does he act as a political idealist during the Separatist Crisis and in public during the Clone Wars, but also acts as a sort of prelude to Darth Vader? Hell, Dooku in the Clone Wars is basically a Separatist version of Chancellor Sheev Palpatine? Just how does he fall that far? Yaddle’s death is tragic, but seems like a drop in the pond to everything else he does? What went wrong?

[@philistine3141]

Jedi - the galactic auditors

[@pokebreeder2517]

theirs a race of tiger people?!! 7:53

[@TimberlakeTigerGirl]

I saw that and I was like 'Really? They couldn't come up with a race that looks alien?'.