Tales of the Jedi--A Waste of a Good Premise

[@s.k.4289]

If you want to criticize TOTJ for contradicting lore, there are plenty of examples to choose from. It’s beyond me that you picked an episode that doesn’t adhere to that criticism. Something something hating just to hate something something

[@laisphinto6372]

keep saying Filoni saves star wars say it louder so that everyone knows you care only about filonis fanfiction

[@pinkdiamond8991]

@Lais Phinto he’s joking

[@mattrasp1615]

@@laisphinto6372 dude.. filoni grinding out good material while working with it the constraints of having the eye of Sauron Kathleen Kennedy destroying the mainstream shit, is awesome and what he puts together, loosely following books that nobody has read is fine. If a story is good enough in the books, it makes its way to the major league and onto the mainstream Star Wars story. Bad example is in Obi wan with the Vader helmet cut. Yea Ahsoka did it first. But it was awesome, therefore was used again on the big stage.

[@laisphinto6372]

@@mattrasp1615 ah another dumbass "filoni will save star wars"

[@mattrasp1615]

@@laisphinto6372 I assume you are mocking, but if you give a guy full reigns without interference he clearly can put together something awesome. I don’t care about the filoni will save Star Wars joke I imagine you have ran with on posts like this for a few years now

[@jakempls]

I love how we lost all of the EU to avoid contradictions and yet Disney can’t go 1 year without contradicting their OWN content

[@baki484]

This time the contradicting was done by one man.

[@silverprimus321boi9]

I'd argue that the EU is insanely consistent, the contradictions only began to grow after 2008 with the TCW show and the dawn of the jedi comics which retconned the OG TOTJ stuff regarding the sith purebloods, alongside the legacy comics which have issues. It goes to show that Lucasfilms prior to disney had a lot of communication going on in between all its various mediums, right up until disney bought it over.

[@AshanBhatoa]

​@@silverprimus321boi9You evidently do not understand the history of the EU...

[@silverprimus321boi9]

@@AshanBhatoa I'm aware of the issues it has and the turbulent history It has. An example of this would be the dark empire storyline, which has an arguably bad premise (dont bring back palps it invalidates Vader's sacrifice.) It was also supposed to be the first post Rotj comic, but due to development issues it came out after the thrawn trilogy. This Is why mara made isnt in dark empire, even though by all metrics she should be there (seriously, palpatine returns and mara doesnt even show up?)

[@pubcle]

1 year? Try 1 book, show, comic, or film. Each one contradocts something.

[@kingbash6466]

Crazy how "Tales of the Jedi" is a series that only focuses on 2 jedi.

[@StarWarsHour]

Crazy how ahsoka and dooku are still Jedi.

[@75JUNAKI]

Also that the series stole the title from the Old Republic comic’s.

[@kingbash6466]

@@StarWarsHour Not the point I was making. There could have been more Jedi stories to explore in each episode instead of strictly 2.

[@KeeperOfSecrets-42069]

@@kingbash6466 maybe for the first season they used popular characters

[@arbb5951]

@@kingbash6466 could have more seasons in the future focusing on other jedi

[@TomBrawns]

IMO, Dooku is the most wasted character in canon. Nobody ever talks about him and I'd honestly think his story could be WAY more interesting than even Anakin. Imagine an Andor style Dooku trilogy, now that's something I'd watch!

[@jmurray1110]

Yeah though sith doesn’t really feel right for his character At least with his goals a neutral grey Jedi would have definitely made more sense though his belief that palpatine was the best choice to rule does make it more understandable We definitely needed more explanation of his politics to truest understand his motives and a full series as a wedge is driven between him and the council and starts to build a proper relationship with Sideous would have been great It would definitely do better than andor though since people actually know who dooku is a lot more than kassian (I certainly never did since I didn’t care about rouge 1 and is why despite the praise I just haven’t bothered to check it out yet)

[@rinkhoek3130]

I think that most people making the show also don't remember that Dooku was supposed to be complex. In the Mandalorian S3 there was some random character that was actually a separatist and defended Dooku's stance. I hoped that would be interesting, but the show itself didn't actually believe that Dooku was any more than just another Sith and didn't take that stance serious. It was just: I aM SepARaTisT AnD I aM EvIL, with not even giving his logic a chance. That's because most of star wars now is committed to the fight of good versus evil with no room for anything grey

[@jmurray1110]

@@rinkhoek3130 I mean it’s literally in the opening crawl to RotS Hero’s on both sides and all

[@darksideorseid0066]

I felt like episode 1 should've been focused on Plo and Ahsoka

[@FMK03]

This. Plo Koon should've been ahsoka's master, not Anakin.

[@Jose91131]

@@FMK03 nah

[@FMK03]

@@Jose91131 Yes.

[@lukescrew1981]

@@Jose91131 Yes

[@MoodKapProductions]

@@FMK03 yeah. I hate how the later seasons make Anakin's relationship with Ashoka more important than the one he has with Padme or Obi Wan

[@sarahcook2818]

I liked the Dooku episodes, but they did feel pretty rushed, and I honestly prefer the Legends backstory where he turns to the darkside after Qui Gon’s death.

[@kungolaf4499]

He did here though as well? He didn’t turn to the dark side until he killed Yaddle. Before that he worked for Sidious as an ex-Jedi because he believed in the cause. After this he never returns to the temple.

[@andretheintrovert]

Big rant cos I need to vent... Dooku losing control and choking people out of emotion really made me think that they got his character wrong. I like the idea that he left the jedi order as a conscious decision that was based more around facts of what he knew to be right then feelings. He always came across like a very in control kinda guy who always made consice decisions even in the heat of the moment. I dont like the idea that Disney defines being a part of the dark side as having to be someone who needlessly inflicts pain and being rash. I feel like it removes several layers of depth his story had of him leaving the order. Also how nobody is pissed off that yaddle got turned into puddle and her bones were turned to powder by the big fuck off door and just lifted it up and managed to seamlessly reverse pancake herself is beyond me, I dont know how people watch this and dont face palm out of feeling as patronised as I did.

[@allankles]

Aye Filoni has no idea how to write Dooku. Too smart for the writer... Yaddle too.

[@terrified057t4]

Yeah, that bit with Yaddle was just, odd. Why not make it so she sees Dooku about to crush him and she holds on with all her force power, throw in that classic Force theme, then Dooku kills her while she's busy. OR, just that, she gets crushed by the door, the end.

[@domino_201]

I’m tired of Ahsoka. It also feels like Filoni’s going over his head.

[@TheUncivilizedNation]

I remember when Sequel Fans would accuse others of being sexist for not liking Rey. To which Ashoka’s existence was always our counter argument. However these days Ashoka’s not too much better then Rey. They’re both bad characters now

[@generalgrievous3731]

@@TheUncivilizedNation My counterargument is always Ventress. She was a solid character in The Clone Wars (and Dark disciple novel, which was supposed to be a Clone Wars arc). But now that they're reviving her in Bad Batch, Disney might ruin her too......

[@ikematthews6866]

@@TheUncivilizedNation Ahsoka isn't anywhere close to being rey, i dont think her being overused makes her a bad character. its just that she should be written differently.

[@TheOwneroftheIC]

@@TheUncivilizedNation You could use Mara Jade, Jaina Solo-Fel, Ania Solo, Tenel Ka Djo, Mirax Terrik Horn, Tionne Solusar, (Legends) Barriss, Darth Zannah, Bastilla Shan, Meetra Surik, Lana Beniko, Satele Shan, Nomi Sunrider, Vima Sunrider, or even longstanding female antagonists like Ysanne Isard or Natasi Daala/Lumiya (at a stretch) for better female Star Wars characters.

[@Tiredmanmemes]

I feel like Ashoka was only a focus point on the tv show so then filoni could give her even more unneeded screen time

[@Molten-Throne]

The best Disney can offer us is potential, it’s sad. Except Andor. That absolutely slaps.

[@harrambou9468]

It’s amazing how much they can undo their own canon without even trying _”Something like that happened to me, yknow...I can’t exactly remember what it was-sometimes I remember it one way, sometimes another. If I’m gonna have a backstory I prefer it to be MULTIPLE CHOICE!”_ - Luke, probably

[@Fi_Sci_]

I can imagine how much more worthwhile Tales would’ve been had it been given a longer Runtime. 15 minutes just wasn’t enough for the stories being told to truly settle. Andor takes an hour of time to settle its story’s and it works. Animation is difficult for sure, but had we been given 30 minutes at the very least Tales of The Jedi could’ve left a bigger impact than the short stories we were given.

[@seriousnesstv7902]

Eh Andor is just too slow.

[@SamuelSaveli]

Sure, but Andor is garbage. Tales of the Jedi was an absolute banger

[@lukescrew1981]

@@SamuelSaveli Wrong

[@ManiacMayhem7256]

​@@SamuelSaveli Fake news

[@hellothere-bx8cf]

​@@SamuelSaveli go outside lil bro

[@Kernwadi]

"Objectivity is objective, in my subjective opinion." -Bilbo Baggins

[@PBRatLord]

I love how people shit on the carefully curated world of the EU for being convoluted without ever reading any of them and then go off to talk about how fantastic CW and basically all of Disney is.... Pre 09 is the only Star Wars for me (some awesome EU entries up through the official buyout too (((oh and Rogue One, i can forgive no Bothans and some minor details for an overall well-made story))), but at large the Golden Age was during the resurgence caused by the prequels) Also really wish they stuck with the original story of Dooku's fall and leaving of the Order, I really enjoy the story between him and Komari plus it sets up Ventress PS your wishes for Dooku's fall is so much more well done in the comics with things like the atrocities on Galidraan, his Padawan going nuts over him and becoming twisted by her rejection not only by Dooku, but from the Order, as well as Qui-Gon's death being the nail in the coffin. He actually left the order before his fall btw too in the EU

[@BionicleFactory]

I thought the Bothan spies were the ones who got the 2nd Death Star plans, not the first. It's been like 10 years since I read any EU stuff, so did they say Bothans got the first plans, too?

[@PBRatLord]

@@BionicleFactory naw, you're right I was just commenting over my morning coffee and confused the two. (:

[@lukescrew1981]

You're absolutely correct. The only good thing about Disney star wars is Rogue One, Andor and maybe the Vader comics

[@austinclark964]

I actually LOVED Tales fo the Jedi! I hope it gets more seasons!

[@VictoryReviews]

Dookus turn to the dark side should be its own film tbh

[@happysad7768]

This show was good . I wish they were longer episodes

[@dibsdibs3495]

Mr. Talks, you forgot to mention Filoni’s classic problem of changing Yaddle’s lightsaber color from orange to green.

[@CRYSTAL_CUSTOMS]

in canaon it was already green so its not a retcon

[@personofinterest3534]

I'll never understand the need for the pilot with Ahsoka's backstory, pure unnecessary 'fanservice' if you can even call it that as no one seems to like it

[@Raghetiel]

Well, I enjoy the village-folk part of Star wars. And making it Ahsoka village is just a tiny bonus

[@personofinterest3534]

@@Raghetiel i can sorta see where you're coming from with the village part, as i genuinely enjoyed the tusken village from bobf but this was didn't feel very natural imo

[@Raghetiel]

@@personofinterest3534 Just a bit. Enough to enjoy it. I just loved to see farmer Droid from Mandalorian). Shared continuity!

[@EditedAF987]

On it’s own it’s not really that interesting, but I personally love how it fits with the season as a whole. The episode shows a world in harmony, nature in balance, as Pav-Ti states they only take what they need. This notion is then given a stark contrast immediately in episode 2, as Dooku and Qui Gon descend upon a dying planet, ravaged by one senator’s avarice. To a lesser extent, it also ties into the final episode, in which Ahsoka essentially retreats to a lifestyle similar to the one from her childhood. But of course, it does not last, and she has to face the big threatening monster head on once again.

[@arbb5951]

@@personofinterest3534 I think it’s just nice to see the origins of one of our favorite characters. It’s always nice to see more of the star wars world

[@animationfanatic2133]

Glad someone else sees the same problem with dooku in tcw. He's too obviously evil and I always wondered how he got anyone to join the seperatist cause if he's always a collosal douche. In legends at. Least he had charisma

[@the-point-bearer6689]

Even in og Clone Wars, he was that charismatic.

[@Seminooos]

Dooku definitely needs to be fleshed out more. I hope we see more of him sometime soon. For example I want to know how he met Sideous for the first time and why he chose to start working with him before Qui Gon died.

[@IsChaosGolden]

Funny you mention Dave's precious OC, Asoka; I used to love her, but now I'm getting sick of seeing her in every piece of Star Wars medium. I'd love it if we could see other new characters get the spotlight. However, it's Disney. I'm not expecting anything worthwhile.

[@terrified057t4]

Yeah, it sucked but I thought her dying to Vader in Rebels was good. Then time-travel and the world between worlds and yada yada yada...

[@thequietman95]

Yoda:Dark Rendezvous is the best Dooku story. I have spoken

[@Yeeyeeenation]

Based

[@JaimieSch]

Dooku erasing the data of Kamino, and commissioning the clone army, during The Phantom Menace is absolutely a continuity fuck up. It's doubling down on the screw up from Clone Wars season 6 regarding the timing of when this took place. In Attack of the Clones, Obi Wan says that Syfo Dias was killed "almost 10 years ago." Note the "almost" part of that sentence, i.e. it was less than 10 years ago. Attack of the Clones takes place 10 years after The Phantom Menace, meaning that the clone army was commissioned after the events of The Phantom Menace. The Clone Wars messed this up too, by saying that Syfo Dias was killed whilst Valorum was still Chancellor, which can't be true if he was killed after Phantom Menace.

[@Real-Name..Maqavoy]

As someone that likes *Ashoka* (in the shows) but by god is she being overused. It's getting out of hand for sure. And although I've yet to watch it. Yes, *Dooku* has always been an interesting character. The prequels barely scratched the surface on him.

[@Сайтамен]

Deleted scenes from AOTC flesh him more.

[@RomanHistoryFan476AD]

Honestly the Dooku part was the best bits, Ahsoka though just becoming an overexposed character at point, It's now getting to a point where you sigh when she appears. The character feels worn out now. Filoni really needs to learn to let go at this point, Yes Ahsoka was his Character but see seems to be now stealing the spotlight from other characters as well.

[@ThreadBareHope1234]

Can we talk about Ahsoka's tacky outfit

[@RomanHistoryFan476AD]

@@ThreadBareHope1234 If you wish too.

[@ThreadBareHope1234]

@@RomanHistoryFan476AD I mean is it weird? The white sleeves are odd. I'm not an expert, but I do have artist eyes. Her new look looks like a cross between both of her earlier Padawan looks, so idk why they didn't just use the S3 look with different colors. Not trying to be yucky, but her new outfit needs a boob window or something for variation.

[@ThreadBareHope1234]

Also I agree that she's getting over used

[@RomanHistoryFan476AD]

@@ThreadBareHope1234 Never had an eye for fashion for myself of course so I will leave you to determine that. Boob window never felt right to me in a kids star wars show.

[@peterpidrak9501]

I would say that is a fair analysis. I have to acknowledge that I have a special attachment to Ahsoka Tano. My daughter basically grew up with her and seized on that character and I guess I have a father like association with the character. I must admit halfway through the episode when I realized that her training with the clones was going to tie into order 66 I broke down. What can I say I’m a softy.

[@rogergalindo7318]

i just watches the whole clone wars AFTER I watched the Ashoka show, and i’m like damn! ashoka it’s so bad! honestly, the clone wars wasn’t that great either, and (maybe a lot of people won’t like this) it should’ve been more focused on ashoka and rex! they had so much opportunity to grow as characters, and the episodes where something like that could be seen, were so few and far between, and other episodes were honestly pretty boring and uninteresting…

[@paddyq3235]

As someone who has read the Ahsoka book and is a massive Ahsoka fan, you're right they do break the Canon and its really stupid. I was really annoyed that they didn't just adapt the books story because the final conflict between her and the Inquisitor is really fast but its because she finally accepts the role of Grey jedi and uses both the dark and light side of the force to beat him. Its a quick conflict but she has had a books worth of time to find herself in the force.

[@emperormilk_]

If only Dave could come up with an original name instead of taking from a beloved EU story in order to bait those fans.

[@creed8712]

It’s only bait if you only read the title which in this day and age isn’t actually possible and on you if you came in expecting to see Darth bane or whatever it’s your fault

[@75JUNAKI]

Agreed

[@rc59191]

Doesn't matter he did a great job with it looking forward to Tales of The Sith next season.

[@emperormilk_]

@@rc59191 it’s does matter, maybe not to newer fans like yourself, but fans who’ve read and cherished these stories. If you think Filoni did a good job you are very wrong, only one good episode with the rest either being mediocre/bad or having repeating plots

[@lukescrew1981]

@@rc59191 Wrong

[@StephenLeGresley]

Sheev I could not agree with you more. Even during the Clone Wars show itself they did a better job at exploring other aspects of Jedi history. I also find it hilarious that everyone treats Palpatine and the rise of the Empire as the worst thing in the history of the universe but if you've read any of the expanded media about the history of the Jedi and Sith you would know that Palpatine is pretty tame compared to what's come before now.

[@nagger8216]

Yeah, you don't think that's fucking stupid and completely deflates the impact of the Republic falling and the Jedi being wiped out? In Legends the Jedi were wiped out several times, so why is it suddenly different when they're wiped out again in the movies? Palpatine is supposed to be one of the most powerful Sith ever and the only one that brought the Jedi to the brink of extinction and established a Sith empire with complete control over the galaxy, but none of that matters when you have Vitiate over here in Legends having more lives than a cat, constantly being brought back from the dead and leading several massive empires that ruled the galaxy and nearly destroyed the Republic like three different times.

[@StephenLeGresley]

@@nagger8216 The Republic has basically been wiped out before. The Sith have established galactic empires before Palpatine. The difference is most of those were achieved through brute force where Palpatine choose to use more subtle manipulations.

[@BadTemperedBadger]

Wuh? Dooku doesn't kill Yaddle! That's ridiculous! She died saving a city from a bioweapon.

[@SheevTalks]

Legends

[@BadTemperedBadger]

@@SheevTalks The only true Star Wars

[@VinVonVoom]

While I generally prefer Legends I prefer this Yaddle death tbh.

[@candidob8683]

Sadly, what they could have done was actually animate the old Dark Horse comics run of Tales of the Jedi. Now that, was a great series presenting different and new characters in various points of time. If you want to TRUE Tales of the Jedi, read those comics. They are so easy to find. They are amazing....

[@jeko72]

I like Ashoka but she really should have stayed dead in rebels

[@CRYSTAL_CUSTOMS]

she never died in rebels

[@jeko72]

@@CRYSTAL_CUSTOMS she did but Ezra brought her back

[@fornax5798]

​@@jeko72she didn't die, she was saved by a future Ezra Bridger - I don't understand. She did however die in clone wars but was resurrected and it would be interesting to see how the loss of ahsoka would traumatize anakin

[@jeko72]

@@fornax5798 regardless it was dumb

[@fadillangston9797]

FINALLY! Thank you! By the Force its so relieving to hear someone voice this!

[@Сайтамен]

1st episode made me facepalm. What kind of idiot mother will take her 1-year old child to hunt? How are you gonna shoot a rifle when her head is right under your shoulder, how do you know that she won’t cry and scare the prey, how are you gonna chase the prey? How are you gonna protect her from a predator…oh… And this child, who doesn’t understand what’s going on and thought that tiger is just playing games with mommy, who doesn’t even talk yet, who never used the Force before, somehow not only stops the tiger from eating her, not only convinces it to give her a ride, but somehow makes it to bring her to the village which it would never come close to because it knows it would be shot…She didn’t even know in which direction the village was from them! Even Ezra, who isn’t a great character, had real trouble with calming down animals or just making them feel his emotions, and he was a teenager with some basic Force training! Bravo Dave Filoni, you made Ahsoka a Mary Sue. And the weird thing - in next episode she is failing again and again! Does that mean that training makes her worse?

[@thesithcynic3398]

the most exciting star wars saga to come out in the future will be Sheev ripping into the new canon for hours on end.... And that fills me with so much joy.

[@RealMatthewWalker]

the David Tennant droid could have been a Framing device. Like Jim Henson’s the storyteller, tenant narrating the stories and then you could just be yada yada yada away The canon. These are Jedi folktales.

[@TheBenjaman]

Wish this tales of the jedi focussed on jedi we actually dont know much about.. like quinlan vos or maybe the grand inquisitor when he was still a jedi or something.

[@randytyson]

My expectations were mild at best and I was mildy satisfied

[@MataNui.]

The Dooku half's the only part I think is worth watching. As much as I like Ahsoka, her half just felt pointless, like there was nothing in it I really felt I needed to see.

[@mastertheory4583]

Basically I agree with you, but I have my own problems with this "series" My assessment of "Tales of the Jedi" is somewhat lower, since I consider the entire Dooku arch somewhat overrated. In fact, the conflict in the first and second series is repeated by the same idea - the evil senator spits on his people, and the Senate and the Jedi do not care about this. The only difference is that the second episode holds the intrigue much better and brings pleasant details, as well as the fact that the conflict between Dooku and Mace is revealed many times better than the Count's relationship with Qui-Gon, who... in fact, it wasn't in the first episode. Qui-gon just releases the senator's son in time and that's it. It's sad. The last episode also did not make a proper impression. Firstly, Yaddal is the most formulaic Jedi who speaks typical Jedi phrases (although the actress did a good job here). Secondly, this whole situation, pushing Dooku to kill her, is as banal and cliched as possible, although it always seemed to me that the Count's transition into darkness was due to more subtle events, for example, working with separatist leaders. Well, in the end, it was as stupid as possible for Yaddal to come out in front of a potential Sith lord, given the fact that one of them had recently killed Qui-Gon. A series with Ahsoka's training could potentially be better if the conflict was built between Anakin, who defends his experimental teaching methods, and the Council, which does not agree with him. This would give even more weight to the final scene, they say, it was Skywalker's departure from the old rules of the Jedi Order that helped Ahsoka survive during Order 66. Well, regarding the last series - I have read the novel in full, and I can say a lot. First of all, even if the events in the series are not the same as in the book, then we still have a retcon, because in the novel, an Organa agent came to Ahsoka, and only then they met, this definitely did not happen during the funeral. Secondly, the whole plot is based on the book, while removing a bunch of important details - the arrival of the Empire and the destruction of the old harvest; the uprising of farmers; torture and interrogation by the Inquisitor of the inhabitants of the farmer's Moon. We got a pathetic piece of history, and even the death of the Inquisitor is arranged many times worse than in the novel. In the end we have two chairs: Either Filoni rejected the entire book, which would be just a blatant crime against the NEW UNIFIED CANON (and also a great disrespect to the writer of the novel), or he simply decided to make a series inspired by it, but in the end it turned out second-rate and flat. I will look forward to your review of Andor. I love this series, and I want to hear what you think about it.

[@FuddlyDud]

@Master Theory On the contrary, I’d rate that 1st episode in the Dooku arch as best! You get his openness and honesty to start, leading to openness from the citizens that will show up in Qui-Gon’s role many years later. This leads to the generic conflict which I’ll fully agree is generic. However, you get the insistence on the conflict from all 3 of the more hardened and wiser people, including Dooku to the point of forcing Qui-Gon away. Then we get the youth seeking to change things, thinking more outside the box, and ultimately bring peace where their father figures failed. It ends with peace between both sides, amends being made, and a recognition of wisdom. It’s a great portrayal of the redemptive themes Star Wars excels at telling while also showing how Qui-Gon got the best of Dooku and who Dooku was as a great Jedi. :) I’ll agree the conflict was generic, but other than that, the execution and writing made up for it.

[@lanfran8145]

In conclusion, Andor > Tales of the jedi

[@Сайтамен]

@@lanfran8145 Andor is the best Star Wars show.

[@lanfran8145]

@@Сайтамен I know

[@Misery7531]

Correction Tales of the Jedi > andor

[@yrooxrksvi7142]

I hate so many things about this show : the shameless ripping off the name of a better EU comic, more pointless Ahsoka pandering, and the tease of seeing Dooku and Qui Gon together here but not in the EU.

[@blackarican4523]

I honestly thought they would have an ep about Quinlan Vos with how well he'd fit in dookus story

[@cristianrojas9684]

Dooku leaving the Order after Qui-Gon’s death makes more narrative sense than him leaving before. Qui-Gon was like a son to him, and he’d blame the Council for getting him killed.

[@OceanMachine_]

Tales of the Jedi should have just been Tales of Dooku and been an actual full length season.

[@the-point-bearer6689]

It could have been titled “Journalology of the Council” and it could have been them filing the reports on what is going on, like Plo Koon saving Ahsoka from a bounty hunter who ended up escaping later, or a Twi’lek Jedi Master having Ahsoka as a padawan when Plo Koon had his hand full with the other one.

[@UnendedGalaxy]

6:15 Oh, look! A Fringy cameo! Seriously though, they are proving they don’t actually give a damn about even their own canon source material.

[@animationfanatic2133]

Dave if you want to make another clone wars season just ask and stop messing around

[@Aerex12]

Star Wars is treated like marvel or DC with no singular continuity. No longer a space opera so whoever Disney puts out is either mediocre or fine. Tales of the Jedi is good but I just wish the EU would have given credit instead of Filoni. Are they going to give Filoni credit to Bane next?

[@primordial6966]

Totally agree, the series introduces some really great plot lines, but rushes through them, maiming their potential. Almost every episode has a moments where characters have to act atleast slightly irrational, in order for the story to get to where it needs to be to hit the timelimit. I wish we'll get a full show on dooku's fall... or just jedi's going on peacekeeping missions, slowly showing the republic's failings. The final episode probably felt the weakest... I had no problem with the set up and the idea i suppose - even the fact ashoka beat the inquisitor in one move was fine... i mean she's fought stronger opponents before - but I haaaate the "evil inquisitor" trope... like the guy got told there's a jedi on the planet, went to town... and then slaughtered everyone there? Why? Did no one tell her Ashoka was out of town, that she was coming back in some days? Why would he want to kill the people? I didn't watch rebels so idk if inquisitors are always like this, but I'm tired of seeing the empire as this stupid bad guy org, that is happy to kill its own people just because. A similar moment of: oh well i guess he's evil was the corrupt senator in dooku's story who was... turned by his son... idk... All in all an ok addition, though rewatching would probably only reveal more holes and flaws in character's descisions.

[@Sn1p3r469]

Hey sheev love your content! I would like more long form videos, it's my favorite thing to listen to while I work on cars. Keep it up!

[@extremetoast5723]

I agree that the Dooku stuff was good, but everything Ahsoka felt pointless completely IMO. I like her as a character, but the episodes didn't show us anything new or interesting about her. An episode dedicated to how she learnt how to dodge blaster bullets? I guess it adds more emotion to the S7 CW finale, but it was a real waste of time otherwise, and a waste of an episode where we could have seen something more interesting.

[@D4C_Gaming]

I thought the Dooku arc was quite well done, considering it's runtime. The Ahsoka arc, on the other hand, just felt like the Clone Wars filler episodes that nobody wanted to watch. So many Jedi they *could've* done, and they chose to use Ahsoka again.

[@loganmapes2307]

i really agree with everything you said. They are all decent episodes, i enjoyed all of them but the fact that they are shorts makes them all feel super rushed and not fully fleshed out. I wish they followed cannon a bit more, like the training scene in epi 5 kanan and the old jedi dude meet ahsoka but later on in the clone wars and rebels they both respectively act like they've never met her. But i did like it so 8.3/10 but really should have been a 9.5-10/10 with the source material they had on hand (but all my ratings are shifted above yours since everyone's scale is subjective, i don conisder 5 average like you do, i think of it like school where 7-7.5 is average)

[@flatbread42]

Same alternative idea as you when I watched. Loved the Dooku stuff, wanted more of it, Ashoka was boring for me.

[@terrified057t4]

With just the first episode of TOTJ I felt sad. I was expecting the story that Ahsoka told in brief during the Clone Wars, where a fake Jedi came to collect her, she heard the Force saying it sus af, villagers not believing her and Plo Koon rescuing her. Instead we get Ahsoka taming a Saber Tooth and the Elder being "ooo, she a jedi!" Never mind the fact her origin story kinda trumped over Anakin's, where she used force powers from birth meanwhile Anakin didn't even fucking know until he was a twerp. The Dooku episodes I thought were good, though having Dooku lose control felt harsh on his character, given his "signature look of superiority" and him being from some noble bloodline, I felt him always being the control freak. (especially since I don't think we saw him with sith eyes ever in the movies, maybe once or twice in the clone wars?) "Resolve" sucked. I read Ahsoka back when it came out in 2016 and really enjoyed the depiction of Order 66, the immediate post-Order 66 galaxy and the story of how Ahsoka came to be Fulcrum. Then seeing Filoni trash Johnston's story to make it "his" and all that...

[@the-point-bearer6689]

That story bit should have made Ahsoka not discovering the Force ability when she was a baby until she is a toddler, which is when a bounty hunter who poses as a Jedi, tried to kidnap her until her parents risked their lives to save her, only to get killed by one in front of a child. Ahsoka, traumatized and not knowing what to do tries to back away, but instead she gets captured, and the plan almost succeeded on bounty hunter’s end until she (yes, it’s a she) was thwarted by Plo Koon. That’s the premise Dave should have dug up to make Ahsoka feel rather relatable and have a different master, but that never come to fruition. Heck, a different Jedi Master Ahsoka had who happened to be a Twi’lek would have avoided the issue altogether.

[@Toshiro93]

Frankly, I don't understand why they should provide Ahsoka with half the season, when we know everything about her from: a series with her as a co-protagonist, another where she helps the protagonists, yet another where she appears in some significant episodes and another dedicated to her. Talking about other jedi, like...I don't know, Oppo Rancisis? Or better explore some like Ayla Secura, or even talk about Jedi who had distanced themselves from the order, because they were against the war? Small note on Tales of Empire: 1. "is it planned to see the empire in your empire series?" -cit. Ian Malcolm 2.Barriss Offee used really badly.

[@lance5340]

I enjoyed it a lot!

[@DOOM_guyEditz433]

Im gonna start calling you Sheever Man now

[@valviform]

I got a Star Wart ad on this. Bold.

[@Ubermensch9240]

3:25 Haha..... nobody wants to write about that.

[@RomanumChristum]

It was rushed as fuck

[@soraisfinallyhere1305]

Episodes are too short honestly can’t be bothered to watch the Ashoka episodes. Why Ashoka? Can we focus on someone else she is getting her own live action show and had been animated tons

[@lukescrew1981]

I'm so sick of Ahsoka at this point

[@skull6400]

And there's still gonna be a whole show about her

[@lukescrew1981]

@@skull6400 Unfortunately

[@hezshot964]

Why you sick of her lmao

[@lukescrew1981]

@@hezshot964 Overdose

[@hezshot964]

@@lukescrew1981 got you as long as it ain’t Rey I’m cool

[@VictoryReviews]

They should've been 30 min each

[@amaze2173]

I didn’t really like any of Ashokas episodes, I had an issue with all of them. Dookus we’re very good though.

[@shaggy1628]

You'll see that my mind is too fast for eyes

[@grandadmiralzaarin4962]

While the Dooku TOTJ episodes contradicted Dooku Jedi Lost, honestly, it's an improvement in this case as in the episodes Dooku has actual agency and complex motivation as a character...unlike his entire character in TCW where they threw out ANY attempts at complexity or exploration of Dooku in favor of 'The Maul Show' I agree with you that TOTJ should have just followed Dooku's story with Yoda, Mace and Qui Gon, giving us insight and development of their relationships leading to who they became in the Prequels. Instead...as with TCW, we had to spend too much time on a character that's already been done to death and then some- Ahsoka, who, like Maul, I am just so sick and tired as they keep getting brought back and serve zero actual benefit to the plot.

[@bloodysimile4893]

Ashoka should have gone through the arc that they put Obi-Wan did in his own show. Ashoka being in a depress state and abandoning her jedi training that she became weak for inquisitor (being the one shown in this show of instead of Reeva) to take her on. Rediscovering hope through to help other while on the run. Obi-Wan stay on deserts planet learning about the force and staying in peak of his jedi training to train the last hope of galaxy.

[@tyrannosuperior5248]

I feel like the reason why Dooku was in this show was that Dave Filoni realized how badly TCW dropped the ball concerning his character.

[@owenkeller2748]

I think the short format is good for Star Wars long term. Disney is not going to give talented young directors a movie or show runner role. But they might give young talent a short to produce. This is the minor leagues for the writers and directors and it’s where we’ll find the best chance to save Star Wars from the rot.

[@SwiftNimblefoot]

I wonder if they put that plague doctor mask inquisitor in there who gets killed instantly, just to insult Fringy? :P And yeah the Dooku episodes were good.

[@ThreadBareHope1234]

0:55 Holy hell. Same. I wish I quit before Kenobi (and only watched the first ep bcoz someone else did).

[@stubblytuna4068]

give us more dooku that shit was great. best sw content ive seen in years pplus andor

[@TulpechaidoplaysMC]

6:19 Nah, that inquisitor design is fucking atrocious. Looks like a lame Bloodborne reject. All of which makes it way less fitting amongst the inquisitors as they all wear slick and elegant armor and uniforms (much like certain soldiers from a certain army in real life) I hate that design to my core as it also feels like it’s trying to be darth nihilus without any of the reasoning behind why the guy looked like that in the first place. Just bad all around

[@starwarsnarrator]

Tales of the WHAT?!

[@SheevTalks]

YOU HAVE ALLOWED THIS… DARK LORD TO TWIST YOUR MIND UNTIL NOW… UNTIL NOW YOU HAVE BECOME THE VERY THING YOU SWORE TO DESTROY!

[@NotJustAnotherAverageJoe]

The only problem with Tales of the Jedi is that it wasn't long enough. The end.

[@tristanlee8495]

I honestly thought that the inquisitor's design in episode 1 was really boring, it honestly just looked like they took Darth Nihilus' incredible design and downgraded it, and added vague ravenesque motifs.

[@UHOHTONIO]

Jedi “master” dooku

[@MRDLT00]

7:38 What like in the VASTLY superior Legends stories that bothered getting it right? Heavens forbid, we have to go down Filoni's shitty route. 🤣

[@clarity2199]

It sounds like they changed the cannon of Dooku. I was told he didn't turn to the dark side until after his Qui Gon Jin died, and that's what turned him. But whatever....I don't even care anymore. Not even watching this garbage. I'm done with Disney Star Wars. Kenobi was the final straw.

[@CRYSTAL_CUSTOMS]

that was in legends. in canon dooku was serving Palpatine before episode 1 so the Canon still makes sense

[@Gooooofey]

Which is ALSO A DISNEY CANON BOOK. But no Dave dildoni couldn’t care less

[@Gooooofey]

@@CRYSTAL_CUSTOMS it’s was a Disney canon book that that was in

[@lukew6725]

"I am altering the canon. Pray I don't alter it any further." -Filoni probably

[@Сайтамен]

Thank god, episodes with Dooku are good (after bad first Ahsoka episode I was worried). Really shows you where he is coming from and what is the line between him and Qui-Gon lies. I find it weird that senator decided to shoot even though his son is a hostage, but I guess Dooku told him he was not in danger and maybe he knows how many people there are…Also weird that the guards invited Jedi to see the place of murder when they were guilty…Also why didn’t Yaddle at least try to jump backwards when she was holding the door above her, she could have survived…Granted, Sidious could have force pull her forward, but it would be nice to see.

[@Bean-s9c]

the ashoka episodes were not necessary but the dooku episodes were

[@omarbaba9892]

Oh come on, novels? The consensus for novels, comics etc has always been that they’re canon till a higher tier of media states otherwise. Why hold a massive tv show to some novel that came out a decade earlier that barely any of the fanbase reads.

[@Skyraider_23]

Episode 5 was probably my favorite, due to the “in depth” showing of Ashokas training and the bond she and anakin shared. But 6 was definitely the worst of the bunch

[@JataDaYokudan96]

Filoni keeps dragging my favorite character through the mud.😮‍💨😔

[@asc3nded397]

Tales of the Jedi was pretty enjoyable but honestly it just mad me wish more that they would make these full episodes and just make a Clone Wars season 8. Also totally agree, the inquisitors design in episode 6 was so amazing and I really hate that he died in two seconds never to be seen again. What a waste of pure gold.

[@Bean-s9c]

i don´t get the hate for tales of the jedi i understand why some people hate the ashoka episodes since we are tired of filoni allways using her even though it was fine seeing her in live action but the dooku episodes was great

[@dzastertrooper]

Thanks for this video. You spared me a couple of hours of my life 😂

[@emilianodelgado6573]

In conclusion, Dooku deserves a 5 seasons show

[@miller42]

Ahsoka: "Babe, there's a new Disney Wars series, it's time to add me in the story" Cowboy Dave the Furry: "Yes honey"

[@owenfitzgerald5928]

I wished each season was less episodes but longer ones and each season is on a different jedi so dooku would be 1st season then ahsoka could have a seaon i guess then some other cool jedis

[@allmensland2106]

Visions is what Tales of the Jedi wishes it was

[@nagger8216]

lmao Visions sucks ass hair

[@lauriebarton9836]

Wahh??

[@brentonsisemore1122]

Why did the show have to retcon the ahsoka novel lol

[@rc59191]

I thought it was great looking forward to Tales of The Sith.

[@georgeoldsterd8994]

TotJ was alright, I wish they didn't focus on Ahsoka, though. Oh yeah, and the village elder mentioning how Ahsoka's "Jedi" for using the Force? That's just some bullshit. I mean, we're shown that the Togruta people have their own spirituality and understanding of the Force, so why class Ahsoka as a Jedi and not something that's relevant to their own culture? Just weird, man. TotE was disappointing, I really wanted to see Bariss as an Inquisitor, or a dark jedi. Instead we got a boring redemption story of how the Inquisitors are unnecessarily sadistic.

[@maxtheamazing8870]

I like tales of the Jedi But really hate the last ahsoka episode The stuff with Bail at the beginning is alright I love her going to Padme’s funeral Not only does it waste the coolest looking inquisitor we’ve ever seen but the story itself it too rushed and just not interesting Still even that is leagues better than her own show

[@ryantaylor8535]

Don’t care what no one says yaddle is a fucking bad ass attempted to turn dooku back RIGHT INFRONT of sideous coulda ran but nah like a true Jedi she tried to help her friend till the very end

[@modernmedieval2312]

Is there somewhere I can find your 1-2 hour rants you streamed a while back? You deleted em lmao

[@MrBoBoTom]

Andor was a good insomnia cure. This was actually fun. And actually felt like Starwars, which is a good starting point.

[@king_supreme1102]

Yes, this season could’ve been this or that. But I thought what it actually did was very high quality. The baby Ahsoka episode was mid, but the rest were good to great. And the concept of short stories about Jedi is really cool to me. And an effective short can be 10/10 or close to it. So yeah, it could’ve told a wider variety of stories, but I think it was still really good, and I hope they explore the idea more in the future. I mean this could be a never ending anthology series.

[@TheKUBczok]

Yeah, it was pretty damn short and there is so much wasted potential.