How Good Are Smash 64's Top Tiers?

[@OrlandoAToons2008]

Kirby suffered one of the most painful nerfs in all the Smash history.

[@someaccount5200]

So bad it hinders him throughout the rest of the games

[@Dhampire1976]

Good. If Kirby is actually good again the kids would never shut up about him

[@icykuikinu6757]

Tbh I think some of the nerfs he got were uncalled for lmao

[@HEX33C1FF]

And Pikachu didn't even feel the nerf hammer, it's never been any lower than viable tournament winner to high-tier.

[@themetapod]

Kirby is not that bad if you know how to play him and use his strengths

[@the_bookworm8281]

A few important things to note about Fox in 64: A big thing holding Fox back is that his disadvantage in this game is his worst in the series. On top of the stuff mentioned in this video, Fire Fox's charge-up has no hitbox in this game, making is hilariously trivial to gimp Fox's recovery. A big part on why Fox has historically been ranked high in the tier list has to do with the fact that he SUPER abused Hyrule Castle being a legal stage for the longest time. The stage gave him unparalleled camping potential with his lasers. He was widely considered #3 in the tier list while the stage was legal. When the stage got banned in favor for the much smaller Dream Land being the only legal stage, then he started falling off. Remember that the latest official tier list of the game was made nearly 10 years ago, in 2015, and since then, Yoshi has widely considered to have surpassed Fox. A few players have even argued potentially Jigglypuff surpassing Fox, due to Wangera's strong performances with the character.

[@HKip]

Fun fact: During Melee development, Sakurai himself adressed how people complained about Kirby being waaaay too powerful in 64, saying that they nerfed him in the upcoming game. Kirby quite literally got jumped by the developers at HAL.

[@ZachHonest]

Annddddd... then there's Brawl Meta Knight.

[@Kajssbm]

@@ZachHonest kirby characters in their debut game were top tier. sakurai made kirby. SAKURAI IS BIASED

[@Carbine64]

*Sakurai is based​@@Kajssbm

[@thenoseguy]

​@@Kajssbmbased*

[@nahor88]

@@Kajssbm He also never makes the Zelda characters very good, except for some reason, Sheik. I think that has more to do with the fact that like Falcon, she doesn't really "fight" in her game. They had to come up with a move-set that they figured would reflect her being basically a ninja. In the more recent games, variations of Link have hovered around mid-tier, MAYBE the bottom of high tier.

[@randomnerdontheinternet967]

Here something people should know: The SSB64 community generally believes that Yoshi has surpassed Fox on the tier list since about 2018.

[@ln8496]

And now a lot of people say hes above falcon

[@randomnerdontheinternet967]

@@ln8496 Yeah I heard that from a few players as well

[@trevoreyre2775]

@@ln8496 I have Smash 64. Yoshi is definitely better than Fox, but I would say he is on par with Falcon rather than better than him.

[@nahor88]

@@trevoreyre2775 I think he's going off the predisposed notion back when Isai was the king of 64. Isai very rarely played Yoshi.

[@Melanatedhatervibez]

That's interesting to think about. At one point I thought Pikachu was the god tier character of that game. Or that was what I read allegedly

[@NintendoTV64]

64 Mario is, in some aspects, a precursor to what Smash 4 Mario would end up becoming: an absolute beast in terms of power and abilities.

[@Balthazar228]

It’s crazy how many insane things 64 had. Pikachu’s up special had TWENTY frames of invincibility Kirby up tilt could combo into itself up to 5 times Falcon could do forward throw, up air, up b and basically ko almost any character at decent percents

[@IamNster]

Fox's up special in 64 looks like the morning after Taco Bell

[@trevoreyre2775]

Why else would he be screaming "HYAAAAAHHHHH!"?

[@lukejones7164]

🤣

[@Freeeeeeeee27]

you have no idea how hard I laughed at this roflmao

[@future34andpast]

Its crazy that kirby used to be top tier. I honestly miss that

[@starwarsdog9425]

64 Kirby was really annoying if you played the game you wouldn’t miss that

[@Dhampire1976]

You probably weren't even alive when 64 came out lmao

[@Dhampire1976]

​@@starwarsdog9425exactly

[@icykuikinu6757]

I never realized people disliked him that much in this game lmao, I feel like Smash introduced way more broken characters in every game afterwards

[@starwarsdog9425]

@@icykuikinu6757 yeah but unthinkable with for example Steve they actually do crazy and interesting tech (just my opinion) and with Kirby you just spam up tilt

[@djdrizzy9139]

64 Kirby is such a beautiful sight to see; I love seeing my boy as a meta top tier. If only Sakurai didn't go overboard with the nerfs in Melee due to wanting to avoid "bias". This is why I'd like to see a new director for Smash 6. It's time for a reboot!

[@DeluxeGamer705]

Honestly, Falcon's up-air combos is like an early version of the ladder combos. Fox's Blaster is also basically an early version of Falco's. And boy, Kirby was truly a powerhouse in Smash 64. Shame he ended up being nerfed so badly in Melee to an awful low tier. Brawl version is a huge improvement, but later Kirby became a low tier AGAIN in Smash 4 and currently struggles to get out of Ultimate's low tiers. Also, a fun fact: There was one moment where it was thought that Fox is better than Kirby, with Fox ranking 2nd in the second tier list instead of Kirby, before Kirby returned to the 2nd place and was ranked there since the third tier list onwards after being ranked 2nd in the first tier list.

[@BuddyHolly94-e4j]

crazy to see Smash 64 top tiers were Kirby which now is Minecraft Steve lol awesome vid ❤ .

[@Mr.D0rAdE517]

They Both Have Broken Up Tilts. lol

[@lickagoat]

Jigglypuff has no recovery, she gots like 3 usable jumps.

[@lynniagaming]

Also fun fact, fox can multishine in 64. He has to jump and then press shine, and since shine cancels when you land, just jump and repeat. Its much easier than multishining in melee

[@TommasoGabisi]

8:50 no, it's actully a frame 4 up smash, is still the fastest smash attack in the series, comes out at the same frame as meta knight's down smash in ultimate

[@flyforce16]

What kind of videos would Dishonest Content make?

[@hoobguy]

Bro is asking the REAL questions

[@666blaziken]

"how they made sonic well designed in smash ultimate"

[@ZachHonest]

"Why Tripping Should Return"

[@LinktheCommunistWaifu]

"Why Melee Bowser is underrated and can win a tournament."

[@Brob2nd]

'Why Kirby is the worst character in Smash 64, and how he became one of the best characters in future smash games'

[@wedonotcare5792]

you should do a link ranked video Honest!

[@ZachHonest]

👀👀👀

[@windindi2834]

When watching Honest Content, I was NOT expecting Killer Instinct music! That kicks ass!

[@deinodna]

The beat is rare!

[@SubwaySandwichBossIngo]

This was my first Smash game, I used Pikachu a good chunk of the time. Pokemon is my favorite game franchise, so I am drawn to the Pokemon characters. Since I was so young, I uses to make up my own stories with my sister about the Smash characters, and in this silly little lore we had, the Pikachu with no hat was considered to be the most powerful in the cast, and she was the sole, elusive level 10, and the one I'd act out as the most when we incorporated our stories into play. I find it kinda funny that Pikachu ended up being the most powerful in the competitive scene.

[@UltraNurture]

Very interesting seeing Kirby in this game. Sakurai's character was great right away and then not so much afterward. I very much enjoy the Smash 64 content, Great video!

[@sillybritishbomb]

whispy woods is the best character

[@leodexe]

Three objections, maybe more? 0:54 wrong, Mario doesn't have the strongest Upsmash in 64, it is Donkey Kong, though Mario does have the second strongest Upsmash in the game, also shared with Luigi. 7:53 Falcon doesn't have low hitstun, Falcon deals a large amount of hitstun on most of his aerials (except Fair), you probably meant the opposite, as Falcon fast fall speed and high damaging moves are what makes him having the best combo game in the series. But it is true he suffers less hitstun when being hit, but he is still combo food. 10:10 Lastly, Kirby only loses to Pika, but it does beat Falcon and Yoshi harder than Pika could. Lastly, regarding Fox placement on the tier list, it is being debated that the SSB64 Community believes Yoshi is better than Fox.

[@TheTrixster690]

Both Mario's and Luigi's Up Smash are stronger than DK's.

[@murgatroidsp]

Yoshi’s recovery is definitely not a disadvantage. Armor lasts forever, so it’s very difficult to edgeguard him. He probably has the second best recovery in the game

[@oopsies4155]

One thing about Kirby's Dair is that it isnt just a spike, but rather a multihit spike where EACH HIT IS A POWERFUL SPIKE. In addition it has like 0 windup compared to newer versions of it. This is THE best gimp in the game (probably)

[@realwrighthill]

I main Mario in every game he can be in. So I think its fun.

[@mastershmiddy]

Do you think Pikachu’s advantage is as unfair as Meta Knight in Brawl, Bayonetta in Smash 4, or Steve in Ultimate?

[@playstationarusu]

Yooo more 64 content! Thank you!

[@gusteen3292]

The question is, which Up Tilt is more jank, 64 Kirby's or Brawl Snake's?

[@djdrizzy9139]

Kirby's has more range and is a spammable combo tool and kill move.

[@ln8496]

64 kirby by a country mile. You camt combo brawl snakes into itself

[@nahor88]

Kirby literally comboes himself with his u-tilt. It's the classic "push buttons and win" tool.

[@mandalorianhunter1]

Man I love Smash 64 so much.

[@oOTheMastaOo240]

I miss pikachus 64 back air 😢

[@ZachHonest]

Same

[@VelourSweatsuit]

Pikachu was so broken lmao. Dominance

[@RationalFunction]

Btw, that combo thingamabob isn't in vanilla, Honest is using Smash Remix, heh.

[@TommasoGabisi]

Here is every character shown in this video: B tier (mid tier): 7th: mario 6th: jiglypuff A tier (high tier): 5th: yoshi 4th: fox 3rd: captan falcon S tier (top tier): 2nd: kirby 1st: pikachu

[@jfm5864]

Kirby and Pikachu's recoveries are ridiculous compared to the average member of the cast. They are basically rocking modern Smash game caliber recoveries. When Yoshi might have a case for 3rd best recovery in the game that's when you know being offstage is a struggle in this game.

[@Wizzkidwas]

The one game Kirby is actually good, what I'd do to have this in a modern game

[@LinktheCommunistWaifu]

I still can't believe that they gave most of the cast mid recoveries and then just let Pikachu teleport across the screen.

[@Sunny92809]

20 invincibility startup frames too so not only is it the best recovery in the game, it also lets pikachu get out of combos and makes him the best at ledge camping.

[@youraveragejoe23]

The crazy thing is that he has it in Smash Ultimate but buffed with a HITBOX

[@ZAPRST8879]

​@@youraveragejoe23you can atleast hit it whe. It's using it and it's not that great on out of shield option but you can't say the same with 64

[@Sly88Frye]

I'd love to learn more about Samus in Smash 64 because I remember I was checking tier lists of smash 64 years ago and Samus was the worst fighter in the game but she has since moved up. I want to know why.

[@ultlifeform]

I'm interested in Ness, who spent an entire decade being considered a top 3 character, and then overnight dropped to the bottom half. It's one of the most sudden and extreme meta shifts in the entire series. And basically the only explanation I've ever heard is "it took ten years for people to realize his recovery is exploitable."

[@Juan-zs6jt]

It's not that Samus improved, it's that the other characters are so awful that Samus looked good in comparison.

[@BuckBran]

If you arent skilled then yeah Kirby and Pikachu are the 2 best because they are the easiest to be competitive with, but if you are skilled with everyone, the best character is Ness by a mile. Im really good with everyone on the original, and when people see me pick Ness they think either 1. I dont know what im doing or 2. It’s a joke. Then i precede to dominate them. Ness can take a reasonable amount of damage, if you have skill there is not a place on the map he cant recover from, his throw is powerful, he can spike better than any brawler and only Yoshi with little damage can survive Ness spike, his bat smash attack while a little slow is fast enough to time up if you have skill. I certainly wouldnt recommend Ness to newcomers that is where Kirby, Pikachu, and Captain Falcon in my opinion are the best, but if you have skill and want to be unbeatable, Ness is the best choice. Only character that Ness doesnt match up well with is Fox when playing someone really good because if Fox gets Ness off the map, he is quick enough to foil Ness recovery. I dont particularly like Pikachu but I will concede the #2 spot to Pikachu. Its a shame though that i never see Ness get respect because he is the most fun if you play enough to use him to his full potential. This also not based on numbers, this is all based on personal experience, i dont really care whos attack is technically stronger or who is faster this is about overall playing the game and seeing other people play, and i have never seen anyone who uses Ness who actually knows what they are doing not be dominant.

[@TheTrixster690]

Ness is actually good the only issue is his recovery.

[@murgatroidsp]

This is outrageously false, Ness is arguably the worst character in the game.

[@BuckBran]

Then good to know I can beat anyone with the worst player in the game… i guess im just that good

[@Callie_with_a_bible]

​@@BuckBran This gives the vibes of Little Mac handing Ls in Smash 4

[@RyumaXtheXKing]

I remember Isai getting stomped by a Ness in a full roster battle.

[@nikc101]

This is an interesting one. Will you try out smash 64 remix?

[@Marisu_Prada]

Kirby is still serving his sentence after the war crimes he commited by being this high-tier, while Pikachu was left off the hook Why do they have to do my Pink Boy dirty like that? _I demand justice, Nintendo_

[@rogeliohernandez2355]

video idea: talk about TASes in smash, i think it could work with your style of video. just TAS is kind of a vague idea but maybe something a little more specific

[@TheMapleSyrupShow]

Unrelated but I've heard that background music in the beginning before and have been trying to find it since. But can anyone tell me where it's from? Need it for a video. Thanks in advance! 💚

[@vicctretamaj]

Kirby deserves to be better, Sakurai should stop holding him back purposefully and let our boy be actually great again

[@djdrizzy9139]

Time for a reboot with a new director.

[@110.12dc]

I can't believe people thought ness was good LMAOOO

[@Recarsonated]

He was better in the Japanese version, where he’s still ranked at 5th, but i can’t seem to find the Japanese tier list anymore, i guess it probably doesn’t get played and they switched to US kinda like how PAL regions switch to NTSC in melee

[@theblarneystone1023]

Wasn't that tier list created by ign?

[@Recarsonated]

@@theblarneystone1023 IGN? lol no i wouldn’t listen to any tier list that a journalist would make 😭 I thought i remember seeing one on smash wiki but i can’t seem to find it, I keep getting results for the brawl version

[@the_bookworm8281]

@@Recarsonated I can confirm that was an official Japanese tier list shown in SmashWiki that seems to not exist anymore. The individual character pages still mentions where they were in the tier list in that version of the game.

[@TheTrixster690]

He is good, the issue is his recovery.

[@Alonzone]

I know why Kirby was so bad after. It’s because he didn’t have his 64 forward air. Ever since it got changed it went downhill from there.

[@TramiNguyen-oi3kp]

My favorite Super Smash Brothers character is Kirby!

[@Goopyguts]

In other words Pretty good

[@erickzuniga8571]

Make a video about how good was link

[@murgatroidsp]

He’s terrible because his recovery is either the worst or second worst in the game. He also has atrocious jumpsquat

[@erickzuniga8571]

@@murgatroidsp you're late

[@TheBehm08]

How dare you not mention Kirby’s sh*t a brick 🧱 move

[@FreakyGorg99]

S tiers are cute characters

[@griffinashley2890]

Pog

[@VenusHeadTrap2]

I can barely hear you.

[@Boinkity1]

I don't really care about tiers. As long as a character is fun to play as, I'll play as them!

[@christophmarksz133]

this shows once again: Chunkachu is best kachu

[@Blizzard91]

I wish people would cover smash remix more. It needs more love and at this point should just replace smash 64 already.

[@Scary_Stories_4_U]

a bit more energy would make your content a lot more engaging

[@thepooroldsoul8179]

A and B are not top tier. Only S is.

[@TommasoGabisi]

There are only 12 characters in the game and only 2 characters in the S tier, so it kinda makes sence to show the A tiers to, but I agree whit B not meaning top tier

[@Alonzone]

With only four tiers and 12 characters, you really can’t make an interesting video covering only 2 characters.

[@ultlifeform]

Almost like he explained that in the video... right at the beginning...

[@Mr.D0rAdE517]

Mario Is Not Top Tier.

[@ultlifeform]

Maybe watch the intro, where he explains why Mario was included in this video, along with the other mid tiers?

[@sumthinorother9615]

⁠@@ultlifeform​​⁠ It’s a pretty terrible reason, granted. Feels like getting Shorts quality descriptions trying to hype up mid tiers instead of actually explaining what they do. Maybe we could hear what they struggle with, and really put the Top tiers into perspective. Especially love the part in Mario’s section where he basically says ‘people think he could be good because people think he’s better’ 1:28 This just really needed more time to cook, and maybe focusing on two characters at a time would have been good for it :/

[@murgatroidsp]

This video has tons of inaccuracies. That tier list is extremely out of date. Fox has almost completely fallen out of favor because he is terrible against Pikachu. No one who plays 64 competitively would put Yoshi 5th at this point.

[@trashylookingmario]

Where's the ness ranked video at?

[@ZachHonest]

Ness is my main, maybe one day

[@trashylookingmario]

@@ZachHonest The ness ranked video would be a hit, at least to me I think it would be.