How GOOD was Decidueye ACTUALLY? - History of Decidueye in Competitive Pokemon

Decidueye is today’s Pokemon for our competitive history series! Join False Swipe Gaming in this overview of Decidueye in competitive Pokemon!
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0:00 - Intro
1:14 - Sun & Moon - Gen 7
5:29 - Ultra Sun & Moon - Gen 7
9:18 - Sword & Shield - Gen 8
11:46 - Isle of Armor - Gen 8
14:23 - Crown Tundra - Gen 8
16:30 - Outro
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Notice I said POPULAR formats, meaning a format where there is a significant amount of people who compete in it for tournaments and so on and so forth.
For the record, I do not care what rules or formats people play their battles by nor am I saying these formats are the only formats that should be played. The way you play Pokemon is between you and your opponent. I just like examining popular tournament formats.
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[@HeartOfClod]

I guess you could say Decidueye being a Grass/Ghost Pokémon was what ultimately lead him to his Dhelmise

[@BladeTNT2018]

hahahaha, good one

[@rogue1248]

Elekid you not, that was pretty good. you really Chandelure-d me to it.

[@AudioGAWD]

Take this like man

[@HeartOfClod]

@@rogue1248 I'm happy you could Blissey what I was doing. I saw the Chansey for a good joke and I took it!

[@dontreadthedescription5654]

That’s actually pretty good 😂

[@QuestionableLogic_]

50% of Alola's roster would be soo much better if Gamefreak let them have a speed over 80 and didn't decide to collectively break their ankles.

[@swampy725]

IE gave vicavolt 104 speed It's kinda busted

[@dontreadthedescription5654]

Ikr?

[@mopeluso1]

@@swampy725 what game is IE

[@MasterAbeer101]

@@mopeluso1 Inclement Emerald

[@dustylittle5841]

@@mopeluso1 Inclement Emerald

[@Hnui03]

Decidueyes tier bouncing history in a nutshell: *Powercreep happens* RU: "Were you killed?" Decidueye dropping to NU: "Sadly yes..." Decidueye getting 'rediscovered' for the 17th time: "But I lived!"

[@雪者]

Tru

[@therealpuffsuki]

Ohhh so thats why its ghost type

[@FireFog44]

Deciduous trees may lose their leaves in the Fall, but they always grow back!

[@axlr8deathpls294]

The tiers are going to go lower than pu so far down where I can already smell "GTU council has auto banned dusknoir and beautifly for their overbearing prescence in the meta"

[@pkmntrainerred4247]

The playerbase every time Decidueye is 'rediscovered': Somehow Decidueye returned

[@SoulBro12]

I was always bothered by how so many physical ghost types that exist back during Gen 7 yet they have such bad STAB moves which is why I'm glad about Poltergeist and I can finally use Decidueye and Golurk without it feeling like something is wrong

[@linkloyan4624]

Well they had okayish options with Spirit shackle and Iron fist shadow punch but Yeah i really feel you for many other Ghosts and golurk

[@SoulBro12]

@@linkloyan4624 Don't even get started on Banette and Dusknoir at least the other two had ok moves

[@IgnitedQuils]

@@SoulBro12 Dragapult too. It can learn Dragon Claw but not Shadow Claw. And even when Poltergeist came out, it still didn’t learn it.

[@federicorusso4368]

@@IgnitedQuils dragapult with poltergeist would be insane

[@cintronproductions9430]

@@federicorusso4368 Yup, even without a good physical Ghost STAB Dragapult is already OP so giving it Poltergeist would send it directly to Uber.

[@jmell458]

Fun fact: in Gen 7 OU before Dugtrio was banned, Decidueye was the only Pokemon capable of learning a trapping move + U-turn + Smack Down. You could EV and IV it to be slower than Celesteela while being immune to Leech Seed and able to tank a Fire Blast/Air Slash from a defensive variant. Smack Down and U-turn out into Sub Tectonic Rage Duggy and it was GG. It was the most fun gimmick set I've used to date.

[@Harmless_Music]

Oh wow, that’s really neat. Would EQ still KO though, or did it require something like CB?

[@jmell458]

@@Harmless_Music I think it would've needed Choice Band

[@Harmless_Music]

@@jmell458 Ahh, gotcha. That's still a very neat strategy.

[@GoTELuckyCharms]

That's actually a dope strategy

[@beta511ee4]

@@jmell458 Why slower than Celesteela?

[@brunolinares604]

Fun fact: a frog-dinosaur with a giant flower on its back and a bigger dinosaur with a giant flower on its neck are both faster than this nimble looking owl lmao

[@IgnitedQuils]

Yeah base 70 is lower than base 80 speed lol

[@tap7645]

@@IgnitedQuils naww.

[@Nosretep]

Purugly is faster than it.

[@takeda6516]

Which dinosaur is the one with a flower on its neck?

[@Nosretep]

@@takeda6516 Meganuim.

[@Igorcastrochucre]

When they were first revealed, everybody predicted Decidueye and Primarina would be OU staples and Incineroar would drop to the lower tiers and be quickly forgotten like many Fire starters before it. Funny how the tables have turned.

[@Aquilenne]

I mean, if they're singles players, then they were right on one thing. Incineroar did drop the lower tiers to be forgotten, and while it wasn't quite an OU staple, Primarina was the best of them and is completely OU viable. It's mainly just Decidueye that's off.

[@takeda6516]

@@Aquilenne bro, Incinellroar is on 80% of all teams.

[@pokeoh1831]

@@takeda6516 "singles" You're talking about doubles

[@DespairMagic]

Intimidate being just the best ability in the game.

[@jaretco6423]

If we're talking about singles, than maybe. But in doubles, Incineroar is an beast.

[@BlueStar44422]

Still looking forward to hearing about Aegislash's fall from Ubers in SwSh

[@diptube6563]

'the stat and type nerf did it's job, fin'

[@superbodoque7860]

Ironic

[@limerumpus3589]

@@BlueAizu_ probably because it would be a really big project and there are quite a lot of super good mons that need to be worked on as well

[@jufref]

@@superbodoque7860 was that on purpose?

[@rhydonphilip]

Almost everything worked against it. It lost Z-moves which paired amazingly with it in both reducing Knock Off, and getting it to break stuff at command with its 150 offenses, without the need of a choice specs. It lost 10 attack/defense on both special and physical this gen. King Shield got nerfed by half its amount. Poltergeist acces for other physical Ghosts and Nasty plot for Gengar, new Glastrier at the start of the gen, overall more competition. Pursuit being removed made things worse indirectly as Dark-types that often didn't run max offense as they could trap most Ghost/Psychic-types thanks to their frailty with Pursuit, and thus would be prone to Aegislas,h were replaced by simply fast offensive Dark-types. Who did not lose to Aegislash nearly as hard. But at least it got Close Combat!, jk, that move that nets a handful of important KO's more than Sacred Sword already did while still dropping your stats. Overall an upgrade sure, but not one that allowed it to do stuff it couldn't already.

[@FirstLastname604]

Every week we get closer to the toxapex video

[@abcdefg98765]

And Ferro and Lando-T.

[@kanaxaufxanax490]

Incineroar will be delayed a lot because VGC I don't believe that we come to the point of Gen 7 pokemon being covered Thanks for everything that happened in the last 5 years. Really enjoy your content since 3 years

[@skeetermania3202]

Torracat may also be covered since its ability to hold Eviolite, much higher Speed, and Fairy resistance let it see use at times.

[@jayanths1221]

Of course the GOAT of VGC will be delayed

[@Magic_Ice]

@@jayanths1221 Wolfy triggered

[@zyleblaylock5944]

only the VGC videos are good but we only get one of those once a year. This channel is going downhill fast.

[@Magic_Ice]

@@zyleblaylock5944 L

[@deltalord6969]

For a nimble looking archer whos also an owl decidueye is really fricken slow.

[@halfway7690]

Plus I'm pretty sure owls are one of the slowest birds. (Okay quick Google search, great horned owls can fly at 40 mph. Also 'They [owls] have large wings relative to their body mass, which let them fly unusually slowly.' But owls usually fly very slowly (2 mph or so) to hunt prey.

[@calvinmatthews1527]

@@halfway7690 Explain Blaziken, the mon is based off a chicken (a much slower bird) but has a higher base speed stat and an ability that increases it.

[@captain_buggles]

people keep talking about movement speeds when it seems to me like the speed stat would often be prioritizing reaction/attack speed, with maximum movement speed being a secondary factor. and we're told that decidueye can apparently aim and fire arrows in a fraction of a second, so like... yeah, telling me "owls aren't that fast" doesn't satisfy me when the very next gen, we've got a freaking penguin that's blazing fast as long as it doesn't have ice on its head (Eiscue). and going back to the same gen that introduces decidueye, its slower than a jellyfish (Nihilego)

[@halfway7690]

Yeah fair enough, pokemon speed is weird. How is a miscolored pokeball that needs anger management faster than every pokemon except 4 and tying with 3? Don't know : / I guess you could say it's for balance or gameplay or filling niches or whatever. For example, if there already was a grass type that filled Decidueye's niche if it was fast, so they made it slow to boost its other stats.But grass types have always been traditionally slow, I think at least. So I think Game Freak might just have a personal vendetta against Alolan pokemons. Since as someone else put it, they decided to break literally all their ankles except for like a few legendaries and mythicals. Along with a bee, a meteor with its shell smashed (I'm seeing a pattern I don't like here. Guess they're all Naruto.) A lizard with fan service, the Alolan Forms of 4 pokemon a rock doggo and flowers. If you don't count the legendaries and what nots or the Alolan forms. (Of course GF aren't gonna break their ankles.) That's 5 pokemon that breaks 100 speed. (Flowers is tied) so 4. It's so weird too, because pokemon like Zerora gets appropriate speed stats. 'As fast as lightning strikes' Honestly, I think there's a formula GF is following that they try to deviate from for fans expectations. Although this doesn't work a lot of the times. (Eiscue from slow ice types.)

[@jaschabull2365]

@@calvinmatthews1527 To be fair, blaziken also kind of resembles Horus/Ra, which would make it part falcon, and those are pretty famous speed demons.

[@MrGojira95]

Witnessing my favorite Grass starter of all time being the first Gen 7 Pokémon to be covered is awesome!!!

[@lloydv2]

agreed

[@thunderball1015]

agreed

[@MajesticXrank]

agreed

[@autismandgaming4532]

Agreed (might as well jump on the bandwagon)

[@meta1429]

Welcome to the club Mr.Gojira, favorite Grass starter as well. I was hyped when my friend showed me this, never said "F Yeah!" louder than yesterday.

[@RedDragonForce2]

I’m surprised Dartrix wasn’t better for Defensive Grass Defog support for everything that wasn’t Ice thanks to it’s better defenses under Eviolite with equal powered Roosts.

[@facade6927]

Well for one thing, dartrix is weak to rocks and that can’t be circumvented because like you said it needs eviolite. Another thing is a support decidueye boasts at least some offensive presence

[@citrus5797]

It's just a worse Tropius

[@sekaihunter9378]

@@citrus5797 Yeah, at least Tropius have some utilities with its abilities like Chrolophyll or Harvest with different berries.

[@RedDragonForce2]

@@citrus5797 when did I mention Tropius? This was a comparison between Dartrix and Decidueye.

[@smirglepapier531]

@@RedDragonForce2 You said you were surprised that Dartrix isn't that much used? Tropius afaik plays this role better? So it is a reason?

[@fumeknightofshovelry3901]

Decidueye was also based on the extinct stilt-owls, which also explains their Ghost-typing.

[@ItsASleepySheepy]

Decidueye is such a neat starter. Rowlet was the first starter since BULBASAUR to be dual-typed, and the fact that it changed it's secondary type upon evolution to Ghost, and all the different elements that went into its design (including extinct native Hawaiian owls!) make it the best Alola starter in my book (sorry Popplio, you're still adorable). I'm glad to see that it had such a successful career, even in the lower tiers! But let's cut to the chase - How Good was Primarina ACTUALLY?

[@Lol-il8uc]

Torterra was dual type

[@weir9996]

@@Lol-il8uc Their point was that the first form was dual-type. Turtwig is just a grass type

[@Lol-il8uc]

@@weir9996 oh I see my bad

[@jbkerby]

Primarina is 🗑️ she can get ⚡ zapped easily for being wet

[@Lol-il8uc]

It was the best starter from gen 7 tbh

[@bidoofenshmirtzevilinc.4369]

WOW I was not expecting the first Gen 7 starter video today. Great work as always FSG!

[@IgnitedQuils]

And we haven’t done Chesnaught and Delphox

[@shadowbanningcommentssucks3551]

@@IgnitedQuils it makes sense considering one of these actually has relevance

[@jaretco6423]

It makes sense since Legend Arceus will be coming out soon.

[@skullerclawerbandicoot7966]

@@jaretco6423 Do u think fsgs gonna do Oshawatt and Cyntalquill since theyre the other starters for that game then?

[@skullerclawerbandicoot7966]

@@shadowbanningcommentssucks3551 Why do u think Delphox and Chesnaught arent releavant?

[@thel-iteralone4592]

As the first part ghost type starter, that automatically makes Decidueye pretty cool.

[@thel-iteralone4592]

"Decidueye also arguably possesses the most difficult name to spell correctly of all starter Pokemon." Funny thing is, I actually spelled its name right on the first try without looking at the name when typing my original comment.

[@THGMR-ox7sd]

I wish it was stronger

[@nosiop7483]

Bro I think dark steal your comment

[@thel-iteralone4592]

@@nosiop7483 I think they might be one of those bots who cheated the algorithm by account spamming based on their highly basic name.

[@_G.C]

Now he is joined by the stoner

[@IgnitedQuils]

Always bothered me how Decidueye has mediocre speed. If only its Special Defense and Speed were swapped, it would make it more threatening offensively considering its decent coverage. Also since Gen 7 is the only gen to not have a starter in a final form have at least 100 base speed

[@cintronproductions9430]

Alolan Pokémon in general tend to be slow, probably because they live in a tropical paradise so their lives are pretty much a permanent summer vacation, so they're chill and therefore slow. Ok, that's a bad explanation. Here's a good explanation for Decidueye's speed tho: archers need to stay still and focus to launch their arrows and there's also the issue of reloading, an archer can't just run around at high speeds firing arrows with perfect accuracy AND reloading them in the blink of an eye. XD

[@taipaulsen4347]

I’ve always been so mad that gen 7 Pokémon were so slow

[@IgnitedQuils]

@@taipaulsen4347 I saw an average base speed chart and Gen 7 is unsurprisingly the slowest. And despite there already being Pokemon who lose speed upon evolving, there are many Pokemon that are like this from Gen 7. Incineroar, Toxapex, Gumshoos, Vikavolt, Mudsdale, Toucannon, Crabombinable, and Golisopod The thing about Vikavolt is that Grubbin initially loses speed when evolving into Charjabug. It gains speed again when evolving into Vikavolt, but Vikavolt is still slower than Grubbin.

[@IgnitedQuils]

@@cintronproductions9430 Makes sense considering it’s meant to be stealthy

[@Max-qw8eq]

I’d swap it’s sp atk instead, bigger waste imo...

[@MrChillaxin2010]

Wishlist from 2022 Week 3 - Ursaring - Zangoose - Drapion - Drifblim - Exploud (done) - Scrafty - Floatzel - Toarkoal - Rotom for a bigger video - Gengar for a remake

[@bongzilla9683]

Agreed

[@breadburner7276]

gengar remake would be this years halloween

[@dontreadthedescription5654]

Yes, particularly torkoal

[@cameroncox1008]

Luxray remake 👀

[@sephikong8323]

@@cameroncox1008 I mean hum ........ the original video is fine as is, it definitely is not anywhere near the top of the list in terms of remakes being needed. If I were to make an unpopular pick, I'd say that Onix/Steelix deserve it quite a lot and should be near the top, it would really help to expand on Steelix' role in GSC as a near mandatory option on the most popular style of offense for most of the generation, how Steelix was a face of gen 5 RU not just for it's defensive prowess but also the offensive one funnily enough, the power of Mega Steelix especially in the lower tiers or how good and varied Onix was and is in Little Cup. This remake isn't talked about a lot despite it being actually really needed, way more than Luxray, and is on my personal list

[@mattr75]

Decidueye was the main reason I got Sun for the 3DS, and I'm glad to know that he did very well, even if not top tier

[@jiggling86]

The main reason I watched this video was to reply on your comment rawr

[@sptflcrw8583]

He... didn't.

[@seanoodles7008]

Damn, I can’t believe we are getting a gen 7 mon covered before even a second Gen 6 mon

[@elliotw.888]

wow the first gen 6 video was over a year ago? that's wild

[@sephikong8323]

If I recall correctly (damn time flies) this exact scenario already happened in the past : Breloom (why ? Idk) was the first Gen 3 Pokemon covered on the channel and Garchomp (first gen 4 pokemon) had his own video made before any other gen 3 Pokemon got his own Weird it's happened twice huh ?

[@雪者]

@@elliotw.888 Talk about how much time flies

[@jaretco6423]

Elliot. Yep. With Greninja.

[@meta1429]

Robin Hoot showing off his superb archery skills to the world of competitive Pokemon, I'm hoping my favorite Grass starter has somewhat of a niche. Also, Sinister Arrow is the best Starter Z-Move in my opinion. Something about arrows raining down to explode looks awesome.

[@jaycomplexkidrandle1889]

It reminds of Kai's Blazing Gigs attack from Beyblade G-Revolution.

[@Exterminatedslushie2]

Owliver Queen is my name for it!

[@meta1429]

​@@Exterminatedslushie2 Ooo, nice reference to Green Arrow. I went down the path of calling mine Vanoss, wonder if anyone else named him that.

[@EdmacZ]

Incineroar: EVERYWHERE in VGC as an Intimidate spammer. Pivots extremely well with boots and Parting Shot. Primarina: Alright in OU, but an Amazing UU wallbreaker.

[@vitovitovito4927]

Primarina also made some pretty good VGC appearences as well! I think its video is gonna be longer than Decidueye

[@rogue1248]

Just goes to show how Ghost is a really bad defensive typing.

[@donkkut5003]

i believe decidueye was pretty solid in VGC series 6

[@rabeechowdhury]

@@rogue1248 🤡

[@skeetermania3202]

@@rogue1248 Really bad? Why?

[@frankwest5388]

Gen 12 releases. “At first Deciduie was seen as a great sword dancer in RU, but then moved on to be also great Defog support or a special set. Sadly it didn’t technically have enough usage to be tired as RU, so it dropped to NU. At first Deciduie was seen as a great sword dancer in NU, but then moved on to be also great Defog support or a special set. Sadly it didn’t technically have enough usage to be tired as NU, so it dropped to PU. However near the end of the Gen it was rediscovered in RU.”

[@tearsoftomorrow7872]

Since we've broken the taboo of Gen 7 Pokemon, I can't wait for you to make a video about Incineroar, so that you can spend 27 seconds talking about it in Smogon singles, and roughly three hours talking about it in VGC.

[@graphitetailgrace3870]

Game Freak: You're an owl. Decidueye: That means I get to be fast, right? Game Freak: Decidueye: *That means I get to be fast, right?*

[@errorbirdesther]

Or Decidueye: so when do I get my great speed ? Gamefreak: that's the neat part ! *you don't*

[@TheRedGauntlet]

Incineroar's coverage will be quite long for a gen7 mon

[@notscorchingsands9718]

Or just safe us all time and say "intimidate good"

[@Y0G0FU]

@@notscorchingsands9718 well it has more to offer then Intimidate. Especially in Gen 8.

[@skullerclawerbandicoot7966]

@@notscorchingsands9718 U do realize so many Abilities besides White Smoke/Clear Body\Full Metal Body now block Intimidate right?

[@protaeya]

Ye, competitive and defiant are great answers to that ability, even the user base for both are quite good. Way more satisfying momentum tech compared to entry hazards.

[@skullerclawerbandicoot7966]

@@protaeya That reminds me, I forgot to mention Defiant

[@harukami912]

I was surprised to see an episode on a fairly new Pokemon, then I remembered gen 7 was 2016. Time sure flies pretty fast, doesn't it?

[@HazeEmry]

Oh god don't remind me

[@craniifer]

I love Decidueye, but that type-change on evolution definitely screwed up my team balance in campaign. I'm also a big fan of Dhelmise, so I'm happy to see it show up in this episode.

[@jaretco6423]

Sad part is that Grass/Flying aren't good combo types either. Unless they have some sort of coverage movepools, stats total rises up or an incredible ability, Grass/Flying isn't all that good if an combo. Look at Jumpluff & Tropius.

[@darkyz8538]

@@jaretco6423 Probably still a bad type combo, but shaymin sky also has it and is in ubers

[@jaretco6423]

Darkyz. I forgot about Shaymin. But your right

[@craniifer]

@@jaretco6423 I have a soft spot for Jumpluff. It at least has had a place in lower tiers for a while, but I concede your extremely valid statement.

[@ahnahf1645]

@@darkyz8538 tbf Shaymin-Sky is more so in Ubers because of its great special attack and speed complemented by serene grace and its 60% flinch chance with air slash plus 80% special defence drop chance with seed flare and not because of its typing

[@battlemasterace9220]

The first Gen 7 Pokémon and probably the most fun to do a solo playthrough with, let's see how it goes...

[@pero13258]

And how do we see how it goes?

[@brendan01]

Howd it go?

[@daditude054]

Been watching your content for a few years now. Love the methodical, tedious wording and details to illustrate the perception of how these pokemon performed in all of their respective generations. Keep up the good work! Part of the reason I started playing competitively for the first time ever was using some of your vids to teambuild. Look forward to all of your future content!

[@kodahyphenlee]

my favourite starter ever

[@ehetenandayooo232]

Im gunna use all of my accounts to force you to do Scrafty

[@madjester9844]

If I had a nickel for every starter that existed for only 2 generations as FSG talked about them, I'd have 2 nickles Which isn't a lot, but it's weird that it happened twice

[@sephikong8323]

If I had a nickel for every FSG video about a Pokemon from a brand new generation without having made more than one on the previous generation, I too would have two nickels For those wondering, Breloom was the first gen 3 Pokemon for some reason and then Garchomp followed it before any other gen 3 mon did. And bear in mind, they still hadn't done the gen 2 starters at the time either

[@Firesnake905]

Probably will happen more often as the series goes on, so need a new reference eventually.

[@pikarceuseternamax6269]

I love how this video was longer than the Basculin video even though it has half the gens

[@yorecf9641]

@@pikarceuseternamax6269 it’s almost twice as long as Fearow’s video, a Gen 1 Pokémon.

[@pikarceuseternamax6269]

True

[@originalJoeKing]

I'm still mad he didn't make it into super smash Bros ultimate as originally planned.

[@thewhatness]

Can't believe we've made it to Alola, fam. Break out the malasadas! 🏄

[@jvgonzalez90]

After a lot of years, he finally did an Alola Pokemon. Thank you for this week's video, learning about the meta is always interesting and fun. I don't know what Pokemon you will do next, but I reccomend Ribombee.

[@shun1255]

I've always been a fan of Litten more than Rowlet, so I can't wait to try it out in PLA! It hope it does get a new form, but if its regular Decidueye then thats cool also.

[@TheRaidantDX]

Don't look at this comment or the replies

[@Hudishavtsye]

@@TheRaidantDX I’m gonna

[@skullerclawerbandicoot7966]

@@TheRaidantDX I am

[@yflat_3493]

Your looking forward to trying it in the People’s Liberation Army?

[@Inhuman1105]

Who’s gonna tell him?

[@kalebl.4917]

18 minutes for a gen 7 pokemon. Oh how far we have come!

[@NanaKyoto]

Generation VII certainly has some interesting typing for its starters, with Decidueye being a prime example.

[@skullerclawerbandicoot7966]

Lets not forget the weakest pkmn ever (Wishiwashi) manages to get insane stats (besides its HP and Speed)

[@hangfire5944]

@@skullerclawerbandicoot7966 your talking about speed right? Spd is commonly used as an abbreviation of special defense, not speed. If you are saying that its special defense is bad you should just look at its stats, 135 base special defense is nothing to sneeze at.

[@skullerclawerbandicoot7966]

@@hangfire5944 Im talking about speed

[@hangfire5944]

@@skullerclawerbandicoot7966 Oh that makes sense

[@jaretco6423]

I would say Gen. 4 has the best unique type combo starter of any gen. Though Gen. 7 comes pretty close.

[@umeshmakhija5922]

Hisuian decidueye is looking best out of the three, sick af

[@drxavier1870]

Decidueye is easily my favorite starter in all of Pokemon, love that hes back in Legends and who knows maybe in a Hisui Form

[@ghostxd2809]

It does(thx leaks) and it has a hat

[@shadowmarauder6033]

Decidueye (and like half of all alola pokemon) have a big weakness: their speed. For some reason, GF decided to make many alola pokemon very slow. Decidueye should be a glass cannon, not a bulky offensive tank. I hope this gets redeemed in Legends Arceus.

[@jaretco6423]

Well alot of Sinnoh Pokemon has that problem too.

[@notscorchingsands9718]

Trickroom

[@goGothitaLOL]

@@notscorchingsands9718 not when a good number of their speed stats is a middling 60-80

[@skullerclawerbandicoot7966]

@@goGothitaLOL But theres mons with 100 Spd that can use Trick Room well

[@sonofab30]

And he got even slower 😭

[@butteredsalmonella]

It's so insulting how so many Alola Pokemon have low speed for literally no reason. Vikavolt and The starters to name a few. I wish Decidueye swapped its Sp.Atk with its Speed. Then again, its mixed stats makes it incredibly versatile.

[@Marshadow01]

Speaking of gen 7 mon Marshadow would be a nice option to cover next

[@theboi5584]

Funny how Decidueye has only been around for Two Gens, yet has more information and usage then Pokémon that have been around for far longer

[@sagacious03]

Neat analysis video! Thanks for uploading!

[@niskat1848]

Yesterday was my birthday. Decidueye - is my favorite pokemon. You - are amazing. Probably the best thing that could happen :). Thank you:).

[@PlayrR3D156]

Rowlet was my first ever Pokémon. I had a friend telling me that Decidueye was the worst starter, but I had little difficulty using it. The only times I lost were Totem Mimikyu, who took me around 10 attempts to beat (not my proudest moment) and Professor Kukui, who I beat on the second attempt. I have mad respect for the birb, and he's even one of my mains in Pokkén Tournament. He's easily in my top 10 favorites, tied for 2nd with Sceptile.

[@antwanr5058]

Decid to this day is one of my most underrated OU weapons. Defensive set with long reach, Roost, Spirit shackle, Curse, confuse ray. I can’t count the number of toxipex and Ferrothorn switch in on him only to be spirit shackle trapped, and curse stalled to death.

[@breadeater1194]

Great to get such a positive video! I loved Deciduoeye's design, and using it in Pokemon Sun, so I was sad to see it wasn't considered at all for the higher tiers. Glad to know it got some love.

[@autismandgaming4532]

I never thought you'd cover my favourite pokemon so soon. But i ain't gonna complain

[@HaVaJawbreaker]

can’t wait for Primarina next so you guys can cry yourself to sleep doing Incineroar’s episode

[@brendan01]

Yessir

[@Real21Gamer]

-Did 1 Gen 6 Pokémon -Starts with Gen 7 Pokémon

[@chiaknight]

I'm so glad to see my favorite starter finally get a video! I always thought it was so unfair that its speed crippled it so harshly. It (and plenty other Alolan Pokémon) definitely would have had a shining presence in higher tiers without the Alolan speed curse. The Ghost typing makes it so unique, it's a shame. That being said, I'd love to see a video on my other favorite Pokémon, Rotom and its many forms. No one can deny it's had a huge impact in Pokémon VGC!

[@YOSHIERIDER]

A lot of people have commented on it's speed. Owls are slow. The slowest flying bird, I believe. They evolved to fly quietly. Low speed makes sense.

[@ggrarl]

The slowest flying birds are the American woodcock and the Eurasian woodcock at 5 mph. While it's true owls tend to wait on a perch and then dive on their prey, lots of the smaller species catch their prey in the air. The burrowing owl can even chase prey down on foot, and the extinct stilt-owls (the inspiration for Decidueye), having the same build, are likely to have hunted the same way. A great horned owl can fly up to 40 mph, but usually flies at half that speed. Same with a barn owl, going as fast as 20 mph, but as slow as 2 mph.

[@ceoofjeanneism6777]

I remember when everyone thought Decidueye was going to be stupidly overpowered from design, and great speed. I still cry.

[@NotGord]

They could have given it a good hidden ability at least. No guard? Maybe Shadow Tag? I could only dream of a speed boost Decidueye. It had no chance of existing anyways.

[@coldwolf7014]

Decidueye is amazing. It has a bow and arrow. Ghost typing. It also had Spirit Shackle man. Such a good set up move for the game. It was a damaging mean look.

[@gooseinashoe4686]

Mimikyu is my favorite pokemon, and i've quite literally waited for years for the gen 7 floodgates to open. Please cover it! :) Btw, thx for being around, it's really nice to just relax and indulge on great content.

[@joshuajennings4070]

Insanely happy that my second favorite pokemon ever is the first gen 7 mon covered here

[@randallsage2]

Considering its VGC prominence, Incineroar's will at least be 20 mins long :O

[@skeetermania3202]

Probably longer if they’re going this in-depth. Plus there are a few Torracat placements to cover.

[@oodogla]

@@skeetermania3202 but torracat is a different Pokemon than incineroar

[@r.a.c.5754]

Alola had the best selection of starters since Sinnoh. Can’t decide which of them is my favorite. It was cool how they gave them type secondary type advantages against one another, similar, again, to the Sinnoh starters, and specializing in different offenses. Decidueye, mixed Inceniroar, physical Primarina, special

[@jaretco6423]

I agree. Gen. 7 probably has the 2nd best starters all around. Gen. 4 being the best.

[@joltx9909]

I haven't been that excited for a new video since the one on serperior two years ago

[@annaangelic2318]

For a little flavor addendum: Decidueye’s pre-evolution, Dartrix, has had niches in some earlier stages of the SS ZU metagame! With Eviolite and Defog, Dartrix was a great bulky hazard remover that could check big threats like Gourgeists, Grassy Terrain teams, and a good amount of weaker Water and Ground types.

[@tariksleftnut]

Whether Decidueye was good in the competitive scene or not, it's design is fucking badass

[@JTLDrago94]

Gen 7 already? Well fun fact Deciueye is the final bird starter in the FSG video

[@noahberan6498]

I wasn't expecting Decidueye to be covered anytime soon, but as my 2nd favorite pokemon, I'm very happy it did

[@Dax3s]

definitely wasn't expecting this

[@officernealy]

There's quite a few rumors buzzing around about a Hisuian Decidueye being introduced in PLA. Granted we don't know if its true and even if it is, we most likely won't know how good it is until its in a game where battling is the focus, but if the rumors are true, I hope we get an update.

[@camoking3609]

soo... what u think?

[@officernealy]

​@@camoking3609 I forgot I made this comment until this reply, so thanks for reminding me, haha. I have two different trains of thoughts on Decidueye-Hisui, Design and Competitive Viability. If we're talking purely visually, I like it a lot. I think making it visually appear as a Ronin compared to the original's archer is a nice variant on a... well, regional variant. As someone who's also seen Kyoto's vibrant leaves first hand, I love the fact they gave it a vibrant autumn color palette reminiscent to maple leaves during "Momiji." Competitive wise... this is tough because currently we don't have adequate competitive for Legends Arceus nor do we know what changes these Pokémon are going to undergo into the transition to Scarlet & Violet as of this comment. That said, I can make some hypothesis. Grass/Fighting is a fairly common type and there are already big heavy hitters with that combo like Breloom, Verizion, Chestnaught, and the seemingly busted Lilligant-Hisui, making Decidueye-Hisui hard to stand out. What's worse is that type combo gets obliterated by Flying attacks and unlike the others that have adequate coverage options or stats/abilities that can even the odds, Decidueye doesn't currently have those so ending up in tiers like AG/Uber/OU/UU is most likely out of the question. Decidueye-Hisui has potentially two saving graces that could secure it a spot in the RU/NU meta however and those being its signature move, Triple Arrows, and its hidden ability, Long Reach. Triple Arrows decreases the targets defense by -1 while simultaneously increases its crit ratio by +2 for 3 turns which sounds great until you realize that your opponent can switch into something in the next turn, losing half of that attacks benefit, while also not really being able to guarantee a punish on whatever switches in. Long Reach might be interesting because all physical attacks are immune to contact based damage but for the most part its pretty situational. So a physical attack like Triple Arrows on something like a Ferrothorn sounds pretty nice but at that point, why wouldn't you send out a Fire special attacker and use Fire Blast/Flamethrower?

[@camoking3609]

@@officernealy I think hisuian decidueye's viability relies on what happens when he gets his updated movepool although it's really sad that he has to compete in the hisuian circuit against LIlligant if i had a nickle for every time decidueye was outclassed by another pokemon that shares it's exact same time in it's debut generation, i'd have two nickels, which isn't alot but it's rare that it happened twice although to be fair, It's reasonable to assume liligant is about to but every Grass/FIghting type in the game down a notch except maybe breloom bc brelooms is more of tactical Pokémon more then an outright attacker

[@officernealy]

@@camoking3609 Yeah, It's pretty hard to compete with a Breloom w/ Poison Heal, Spore, a giant pool of great STAB Fighting/Grass attacks, as well as a modest amount of coverage moves. My hope is that maybe when Decidueye-Hisui gets transferred over to Scarlet & Violet it will either get some of the moves its Alolan counterpart does like Spirit Shackle, U-Turn, Sucker Punch OR it gets better STAB moves like Close Combat, Grassy Glide, Drain Punch, etc.

[@rossduncan9516]

The first ever Gen 7 Pokemon covered on the channel! And I must say, since it usually plays at the start of FalseSwipeGaming's analyses, it's so odd hearing "War Force - Son of Hades" playing over Sun and Moon footage instead of Stadium/Colosseum/Battle Revolution footage like it usually does... the things you pick up on when binging the series man...

[@terabyte7366]

Great to see him covering one of my favourite pokemon!

[@andy7140]

Yo!, amazing video, i guess sword dance/nasty plot gave decidueye a really good chance in his respective tiers. i hope the patreon boys like drapion, cuz i would love to see one of these videos made for him

[@66Roses]

I feel like all that's needed to make Decidueye viable is to swap its Attack and Speed. The fact it's so slow and frail means it's overshadowed by every other Grass/Ghost type.

[@fransgreidanus5678]

Let‘s see. Trevenant is a slow physical attacker, followed by Gourgeist, which is often a slow physical attacker and Dhelmise, a slow... physical... attaker...

[@nickshane5985]

100 special defense is definitely frail

[@jaretco6423]

Well with the exception of Dhelimise, I don't know if Trevenant & Gourgeist are any better than Decidueye. But I agree Dhelimise is easily better than the rest.

[@WheelStart]

@@nickshane5985 when you got a pretty frail typing, that 100 sp.def doesn't even matter

[@IgnitedQuils]

Physically frail sort of… specially frail… not that much unless you count strong neutral or super effective hits. Its special bulk is almost equal to Meganium’s.

[@arturoperezify]

I wonder where his Hisuian form will stand when the Legends Pokémon make it into a competitive multiplayer game since Legends Arceus is strictly single player (besides the trades) for now. Edit: So Gen 9 got announced and confirmed that some Hisuian forms will return (Zoroark for example) so hopefully Hisuian Decidueye makes it into its Dex this time then well see how good it stacks up.

[@monkeyjosh339]

It would probably be worse since grass/fighting is worse offensively as neither type can hit fighting, bug and poison

[@snapclub8751]

The first Gen 7 Pokémon to be reviewed on this channel. Excellent job. 👏👏👏👏👏

[@dek4714]

Decidueye is my favorite Pokemon so im so glad he's pretty good, great video!

[@tyshawnstubbs9315]

I remember bringing Decidueye into OU. I would actually run an Assault Vest Decidueye with Special Defense Ev's and Attack Ev's. It was because I was bored and wanted to try something unique. And in all honesty *Greninja was crying in the corner* No this wasn't used for competitive reasons but for fun.

[@KenanVonKaiser]

Nanashi Mumei!

[@paulnewton2284]

If Decidueye got an almost 20 minute video, Incineroar's video is gonna be a feature film.

[@zomorion9183]

My favorite Grass type Pokemon! Love this!

[@ShimmeringMizuko]

Decidueye : almost 20 minutes. Incineroar : 2 HOURS. I cannot wait for it.

[@yorecf9641]

Landorous: I hope you cleared your schedule for the day.

[@skullerclawerbandicoot7966]

@@yorecf9641 Blissey & Eviolite Chansey: Allow us to introduce ourselves

[@yorecf9641]

@@skullerclawerbandicoot7966 already done.

[@yorecf9641]

@@skullerclawerbandicoot7966 twice, in fact.

[@skullerclawerbandicoot7966]

@@yorecf9641 Oh wait, its for mons that didnt get a video yet. Ferrothorn then?

[@stupidflandrs4856]

15:10 I'd just like to point out that "Sirfetch'd is about to be attacked by its Leek!" is one of the funniest sentences ever. Ghost types didn't just get all the buffs in Gen 8, they got all the laughs too

[@Frog_Dogger]

My Gen 7 starter of choice. Out of the three times I've played a Gen 7 campaign, I've used the garunteed crit strat with Rowlett's Razor Leaf and eventually Decidueye's Leaf Blade in two playthroughs to great success. And the fact that he has False Swipe is quite helpful too!

[@Candy-sk3lf]

How GOOD was Scrafty ACTUALLY?

[@aqwpp]

Im gunna beg for scrafty using all of my accounts until u actually do it

[@thegentleman1995]

FINALLY MY FAVOURITE POKEMON, thanks for this video!

[@THEGRAYGRIFFIN]

Excellent video! I didn't know Decidueye was viable in the lower tiers.

[@kanna5116]

Can you do scrafty please?

[@jbkerby]

Decidueye is a Rare Dual Type Starter and His Best Counter Moves are 1- Knock-Off 2- Low Sweep 3- Steelwing or Status Protection 4- Smackdown

[@playgamesmaybe]

Great Video! Looking forward to How good was Drapion

[@chorizord6974]

Decidueye: You took everything away from me Dhelmise: I don't even know who you are!

[@kerrygligorovic9758]

I still wished Ash's Rowlet had evolved into Decidueye just like his Incineroar and Lana's Primarina because when I first watched Pokemon Sun and Moon Series I orginally thought that Ash's Rowlet will evolved during Pokemon Sun and Moon Series just Ash's past first Pokemon he caught during his journey to other region just like his Butterfree, Swellow, Staraptor, Unfezant and Greninja, plus when I saw the third Pokemon Sun and Moon Series poster featuring Dartrix I assume that Ash's Rowlet was going to evolved next. But unfortunely that never happened thanks to the Japanese writers of the Series because they have no intention to plan of having Ash's Rowlet to evolve in the first place for the purpose of Rowlet's cuteness popularity and for comedy. Which is why the made a episode "No stone unturned" to keep Rowlet from evolving with the Everstone which is so unfair, I mean I know Rowlet is cute but I still prefer Decidueye because it's both a Grass/ Ghost type, it can still fly and it can have some powerful moves like Leaf Blade, Leaf Storm, Spirit Shackle and Frenzy Plant. To be honest about two episode featuring Ash's Rowlet battling Hau's Decidueye in the Alola League Quarter final I still believe that Ash shouldn't have won his battle against Hau because Hau's Decidueye is well too powerful and it's a higher level while his Rowlet is a comedy and has a habit of sleeping in the battle. The only reason Ash won because the Japanese writer made that happen and wanted to prove that unevolved Pokemon can still defeat their evolved form which to me is disappointed, annoying and waste of two episodes.

[@UltimateDragonX9999]

Also Decidueye is my most favorite Gen 7 starter 2nd primarina and third least favorite Incinaroar. I remember being bummed that Incinaroar I was chosen instead of Decidueye. I now praying that a Gen 9 or 10 fully evolved grass type starter Pokémon will join for smash bros 7. Imagine the next fully evolved grass type starter that is based on raven beak from Metroid Dread.

[@ChrrolloDI]

What is this comment.

[@jaretco6423]

Wow. You're comparing Pokemon that looks like something from Metroid. As an Metroid fan, proper respect my man.

[@trle964]

looking forward to seeing ribombee being covered as it was one of the fastest newly added gen 7 mons. plus its just so dope

[@wartortlerulestheworld]

Your First Gen VII Pokémon Ahh.... Remember it felt like was only just yesterday you did Greninja your first review on a Gen VI Pokémon this is 2 Post Gen v+ Pokémon Keep it up Keep up the good work.

[@tarhackle3503]

WE HAVEN’T EVEN FINISHED THE GEN 6 STARTERS. Please do the Gen 6 starters, and I think people would also appreciate doing national dex for them since they weren’t in Generation 8.

[@kingwhacka8105]

Another grass starter! How good was Chesnaught actually? Has a lot of weaknesses but deemed itself an ultimate edgequake answer

[@reallyawesometitle7653]

He was my shining star in Inclement Emerald. It got Sturdy AND Shell Smash and with Safety Googles in harsh weather He swept E V E R Y T H I N G

[@laxusstrauss5945]

It still reached the UU tier tho

[@kingwhacka8105]

@@laxusstrauss5945 exactly. My boy is OP

[@kingwhacka8105]

@@reallyawesometitle7653 dude that’s sick. I feel like sub belly drum is still good tho lol

[@belimvasim143]

Suprisingly he is UU like dayum my boi is op

[@ZolainTheZal]

Very nice video.

[@adrian_shmadrian]

So a few days ago I started an Ultra Moon run for the first time ever. I decided to pick Rowlet. That birb was always there to help out the team and I really started to like it. Just as I finished the run, this video came out. Perfect timing.

[@ShadowMonarch6000]

I am definitely picking Rowlett in Legends Arceus because of its dual typing