How GOOD was Flygon ACTUALLY? - History of Flygon in Competitive Pokemon (Gens 3-7)

Flygon! The Mystic Pokemon! The original sand dragon and a fan favorite amongst the Ruby, Sapphire, and Emerald titles. Flygon is dynamic but how is it in competitive play? Join False Swipe Gaming in this brief overview of Flygon in competitive Pokemon!
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0:00 - Intro
0:55 - ADV/Gen 3
11:38 - DPP/Gen 4
17:15 - BW/Gen 5
18:46 - XY/Gen 6
19:34 - SM/Gen 7
20:18 - Gen 7 VGC
20:53 - Outro
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DISCLAIMERS ON FORMATS COVERED:
Notice I said POPULAR formats, meaning a format where there is a significant amount of people who compete in it for tournaments and so on and so forth. Now Popular does not mean official even though two of the formats I will be covering were official formats being Japan Nintendo Cup and VGC, but it is an indicator of what a good portion of competitive players thought was “optimal” at the time. Also sometimes the Pokemon Battle Historia doesn't provide enough information to talk about certain Pokemon so I add Smogon analysis to make sense of it. This is pretty rare though.
To the people asking why I don't cover Smogon Singles for Gens 1 and 2: It wouldn't really be a history video if I covered those because online Smogon gen 1 meta to my knowledge wasn't actually played until late 2000s. I wanted to cover tournaments/competitive battling that was actually played during the early years of Pokemon (late 90s).
To the people asking why I cover Smogon at all for singles: To my knowledge, Smogon was the most popular format for Gens 3-5 and held a number of tournaments throughout the years. As for Gen 6, I am not covering Battle Spot Singles because there is more information and explanations about sets being used relative to their own meta on Smogon. In other words, there are few written analyses about Battle Spot Pokemon besides the Top tiers and I would like to avoid theorycrafting because it may have a hint of bias (though I theorycraft if I REALLY couldn't find information on a certain Pokemon). The keyword here is explanations. Though I did find statistics of most Pokemon used and most moves used, there wasn't really any explanations on why. Also the few Pokemon I did find analysis of for Top Tier Battle Spot Singles had very similar move sets to the Smogon OU sets anyway.
For the record, I do not care what rules or formats people play their battles by nor am I saying these formats are the only formats that should be played. The way you play Pokemon is between you and your opponent and I will not fault you for using evasion or whatever, I just like examining popular tournament formats.
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[@SkyNinja759]

Why Flygon should have had Sandstream: 1) "Desert Spirit" 2) Has clear eyelids to keep out particles. 3) Evolution line is found in a desert that always has sandstorms. 3) Ground typing (not rock, steel, etc) 4) Has wings (lore wise, possibly can flap them to whip up a sandstorm. Why Tyranitar has sandstream: 1) haha, rock Godzilla goes brrrrrt.

[@chrisshen7555]

My headcanon has ttar leaking sand out of his "chest holes"

[@drakeshadow7728]

They could’ve made it Flygon’s hidden ability like with Politoed and Ninetales, but they didn’t. My boi Flygon didn’t even get a hidden ability >:(

[@evangrescol7772]

I would have even taken HA Sand Rush or Sand Force. It should be able to benefit from sandstorms in some way, considering how some of its entries in the Pokedex. Maybe Mega Flygon could have done that. Oh well.

[@aquaneutral]

mega flygon should've had that ability

[@dr.dylansgame5583]

dang with that ability and defense hp investment that would be nice since sandstream helps its spdef plus if it got it from say a mega with more defensive stats that would have been nice or at least some more offensive power with that added bulk only at the cost of checking for earthquakes and spikes and rocks the latter two of which are obvious when there up and usually on who will throw them out if there packing them

[@YoshiWare]

This is why Flygon should have gotten a Mega.

[@cascadianvoidmapping8642]

Lolbit The Boss that’s a fan game.

[@khrune_666_BloodMoon]

ғʟʏɢᴏɴ ᴡᴀs ɢᴏɪɴɢ ᴛᴏ ɢᴇᴛ ᴀ ᴍᴇɢᴀ ᴇᴠᴏʟᴜᴛɪᴏɴ ʙᴜᴛ ᴏɴᴇ ᴏғ ᴛʜᴇ ᴄʀᴇᴀᴛᴏʀs ʜᴀᴅ ᴀʀᴛɪsᴛ ʙʟᴏᴄᴋ sᴏ ᴛʜᴇʏ ᴊᴜsᴛ ᴅʀᴏᴘᴘᴇᴅ ᴛʜᴇ ɪᴅᴇᴀ...

[@khrune_666_BloodMoon]

@Green Cannon yeah But maybe Flygon with have a dynamax part?.. (I don't know much about dynamax in sword and shield so idk if they have forms of that.. )

[@spartanAXA]

@@khrune_666_BloodMoon from what we know about Dynamxing until now, it can be used with any mon in the game.

[@khrune_666_BloodMoon]

@@spartanAXA Aw, sweet!

[@thekungachunga4578]

Honestly, as tragic as it is, it's almost hilarious how the first 16 minutes of the video were dedicated to talking about how great Flygon was in Gen 3 and 4, and then the rest of the time was basically "Lol, powercreep".

[@fujiwaraofmokou]

Thankfully it’s now the tier king of RU and offence in the tier basically revolves around it and Crobat.

[@duelme1234]

Part of it is also because this is one of the first episodes written by BKC. I remember BKC talking about this and it's honestly interesting to see some much tournament insight the man try to inject this episode before they decided that it should be cut.

[@lennartstockl5826]

"It has access to one of the most tried and true strategys since Red Blue and Yellow: Stab Earthquake" Well he's not wrong...

[@tobecontinued987]

Ah, the days where gengar liked switching into a earthquake

[@shadowtitanx3962]

Gen 7: How about no?

[@Kristalya]

Levitate affects Spikes and Ground moves, but Cursed Body can have an effect on all moves so I have always thought that it's not directly a worse ability 😊 making a Choice Scarf holder use Struggle is very powerful ✌️ and now Gengar can remove Toxic Spikes which it could not do before 💜

[@chongobongo9382]

@@Kristalya the choice item user could just switch out though. Not to mention you have to be hit by a move for the ability to activate, and hope for a 30% chance at that. It doesn’t help that Gengar dies to a soft breeze. Levitate worked 100% of the time to eliminate ground, a primarily physical type that is very common and usually a big weakness for gengar. It’s definitely a downgrade

[@i_like_chomp6382]

@@Kristalya no one uses toxic spikes unless its an extremely gimmicky predictable set up team. It's seen quite often in Ubers though

[@dr.dylansgame5583]

@@i_like_chomp6382 see you get it people act like this stuff is common now which its not as stealth rocks got nerfed hard over time and spikes and toxic spikes arent worth it in this powerhouse of a meta considering a lot of times you dont have time to set up do to stat power creep even if that setup boosts your later survivability and playmaking potential considering toxic spikes need two layers and spikes need 3 layers thats five whole turns for something that could possibly be nullified with rapid spin defog flying types and levitate and even if they dont have those there are alot of things that check at least 2 of the three being steel types for toxic spikes as well as poison types just straight up getting rid of them and even triple spikes immune or resisted pokemon

[@kingsucc13]

7:46 _tyranitar named pursuit uses pursuit._ gengar: I DID NOT SEE THAT COMING

[@polarvariety5291]

Top 10 Anime Plot-Twists

[@FinalFinale]

I think the players can't see the opposing player's nicknames or something.

[@teleportaat]

FinalFinale wooosh they can, but the nickname is obviously just for the video.

[@regigigas502]

Kuririnite how in Obama is that woooosh

[@snurfornuttin6947]

@@regigigas502 u do realize ur a year late to ask xD

[@nathanbaca5131]

Flygon is my favorite hoenn pokemon ever since my emerald Nuzlocke where I got to raise a trapinch. Fly-Gon Jin destroyed the elite 4. He was a good boy.

[@jrobinson4801]

That is the best name for a flygon possible, thanks for sharing this

[@sephikong8323]

Please, allow me to use this name, it is just too perfect

[@ImmaFarmerInMalaysia]

Oh my god, that name is legendary

[@christheboss9044]

I named my trapinch bazinga in my randomizer for heart gold, then I put him in the pc and he was my HM slave although I love flygon

[@brewyyy]

I had a Flygon that destroyed Glacia, A 4 TIMES WEAK POKEMON.Destroyed her... It destroyed Drake and Almost destroyed Steven If there wasnt a METAGROSS

[@ThaLedg]

Flygon is like the glue guy on a basketball team Never the big star of the team but his versatility and skills set compliment the one of the star players very well and sets them up to succeed

[@williamhuynh869]

Too bad he was outclassed by another guy and was traded to a lower tier

[@EruditoGaming]

Basically Draymond

[@spacepolicemanofspace6073]

He was Steve Kerr in the Chicago Bulls.

[@beta511ee4]

Len VDL What do you mean by “glue?” I’ve seen this term being used on some Smogon analyses (for example, the Croagunk LC analysis for Gen 6), but I’m unsure of what it means.

[@JoeBro915]

Skeeter Mania holds the team together with its abilities. Nobody wants to build an entire team around a Flygon bc it has too many problems, like in basketball a player like Draymond Green. It does things that not many other do tho, making it unique and great support

[@PokeBlox21]

To sum up the video: Gen 3: Awesome in OU Gen 4: Great in OU once Garchomp was banned to Ubers Gen 5: Good in UU Gen 6: Good in RU Gen 7: Great in RU thanks to Dragon Dance Overall: A quietly defining Pokemon in each tier it was in

[@bruv7521]

NU: *hey*

[@microwave8931]

She's in UU now! Edit: Now NU. Very cool, power creep

[@zeteq6766]

​@@bruv7521 freaking Celebi is now NU STARMIE is now NU

[@swampy725]

@@zeteq6766 the meta is cruel dude

[@zeteq6766]

@Julio HGSS is gen 4 lol

[@goldenhydreigon4727]

Flygon in Gen 3: Its pretty good Gen 4 and onwards: A poor man's Garchomp

[@scotbush4338]

Garchomp got thrown into uber's pretty quickly in 4th gen and flygon was solidly a player in OU for the rest of the time I played it

[@williamhuynh869]

Lets be real. If you are ripping off a pokemon, rip off the best right?

[@jakesimpson3373]

Anything with dragon/ground is going to be a poor mans garchomp

[@rossthemoss6827]

Jake Simpson Zygarde 100% wants to know your location

[@smithclaxton3357]

@@rossthemoss6827 not as cool as garchomp

[@greentea5534]

People keep calling flygon "poor mans garchomp" BUT we should give flygon respect and at least change it to "OG garchomp"

[@iuk5099]

Imagine garchomp with dragon dance

[@microwave8931]

@@iuk5099 I think garchomp just got dragon dance

[@i_like_chomp6382]

@@microwave8931 Garchomp will never get dragon dance

[@evangrescol7772]

@@i_like_chomp6382 only one way to find out

[@thewisthersgames]

Poor Mans Garchomp

[@CormacThunderStar]

That excuse for not giving Flygon a mega doesn't work for me. I mean, look at Slowbro. Even if Flygons design were too be rather bad, the stats would have been appreciated

[@leonardofarias8843]

I mean look at base Flygon

[@gengarzilla1685]

You've clearly never experienced artist's block before. It sucks.

[@trainer-bq4wj]

I prefer slowbro than flygon

[@namitapandey7136]

@@trainer-bq4wj ur a idiot then

[@trainer-bq4wj]

@@namitapandey7136 dont be rude everybody has diffrent opinion

[@victorleesey1157]

Flygon will still be one of my personal favorite Dragon types that I prefer over Salamence. The stats and moves may not be there but I love its design too much to care.

[@spottymaxy1628]

Same

[@MetalGearRaxis]

How BEAUTIFUL was Milotic ACTUALLY? We were leading before the video got taken down :'(

[@DaMattGuy]

What video was it?

[@martytu20]

Beauty fades away with time, which pretty much explain Milotic over the gens.

[@rossthemoss6827]

DaMattGuy This one, it got reuploaded

[@DaMattGuy]

Oof. Copyright claim?

[@MetalGearRaxis]

Nah, just audio problems

[@neochrysallis6948]

That “artist block” apparently didn’t seem to matter when it came to charizard or mewtwo. Heck. The gen 6 starters didn’t even get megas and megas started in gen 6. A damn shame

[@krislee3155]

It's both sad and upsetting that a Pokemon like Flygon who could really use some extra power doesn't get it due to "artist block" but poster boy Charizard gets two megas and in gen 8 a Gigantamax form.

[@kingoflions827]

To be fair the Big Red Lizard pre-mega was NU so he actually needed a buff way more than RU Flygon. Did that merit two megas. Not in the slightest but you get my point.

[@PsyrikAntz967831]

Plus the Galar Starters are getting their own G-Max forms! While all the Alola starters got was just their Signature Z-Moves, and Kalos gets nothing but Greninja having an equivalent-like Mega Form... I love him but damn

[@paultovar2794]

Apparently artist block didn't stop them from drawing up an entire generation of ripped off designs

[@ScourgeTheGreat]

@@paultovar2794 which gen is that?

[@WakeUpUniverse66]

Still waiting for that mega flygon...

[@benfranklin7975]

Probably not going to happen. I like Flygon myself, so it is a hard reality for me to handle.

[@holydracoeva2476]

it would of had one but they couldn't agree on a design :\ if they would just take some tips from fan art we probably could get a mega flygon, that is... if they ever plan to add more mega's

[@CODsauceify]

I'd recommend playing the fan made game Pokemon Insurgence. Gonna stop there, but you wont be disappointed :]

[@louiseb3146]

WakeUpUniverse It would have been really more logic than mega Audino in ORAS cause, yeah Flygon is from 3G !

[@generic7030]

Amein

[@DJTHED]

There is one bird who has been cursed since its inception. It has sat in the UU Ban List for every generation it has been in, the only Pokemon ever to be like this. So... How GOOD was Staraptor ACTUALLY?

[@xx_v_xx4373]

DJTHED BL for its entire existence

[@Neevkl_7]

Scarfraptor>Talonflame Jolly Reckless Brave Bird > Adament Banded Gale Wings Brave Bird (damage wise)

[@soupepictrek1397]

Best Bird

[@martytu20]

Neevkl _7 Talonflame/Staraptor/Mega Pinsir was the core for Gen 6 birdspam. Staraptor can easily break through walls with reckless brave bird/double edge while Talonflame can deal with Skarmory and Magnezone. Mega Pinsir is the lynchpin that cleans everything up.

[@Neevkl_7]

Staraptor can potentially deal with Magnazone with Close combat

[@aspifouette]

How good was Weezing ACTUALLY ? This sentence is now a prediction of my iPhone. I think it means that it is the time.

[@Iinneus]

Dude, I love Weezing. I'd love to see this episode. It feels so easy to underestimate, but then one day someone sends one out against you and it feels like "what do i even hit this thing with".

[@LMC_Jarred]

7:19 "One of the most tried and true strategies since Red, Blue, and Yellow: STAB Earthquake." I love this line. X'D

[@brettlarch8050]

I’m just gonna say it: Now that I give it thought; It looks like a bug dragon

[@jacobsanares8244]

That typing should really go to its pre-evolution, vibrava

[@iceblacktempestrv6426]

Jacob Sanares The bug typing should’ve been implemented somewhere in it’s evolutionary line initially. Trapinch just screams bug type despite only being mono-ground.

[@PBStriker101]

I NEED A BUG/DRAGON SOOO BAD

[@microwave8931]

@@PBStriker101 4x weak to fairy

[@PBStriker101]

@@microwave8931 bug is not weak to fairy, it just doesn't gets super effective against it. check type chart (i'm a bug type trainer tho)

[@charliesmith1358]

Gen 3: A+ tier Gen 4 dragon meta: B- tier Gen 4 post dragon: A+ tier Gen 5: C tier Gen 6: E+ tier Gen 7: D- tier I really like this guy, never taking up the limelight but still being its hardworking self in the background. Please Gen 8, buff this guy's base stats a smidge and give them a mega; they really deserve it.

[@AlastorNahIdWinRadioDemon]

Canine Kitten Double Megas, one being Bug/Dragon and it getting Quiver Dance and Bug coverage for that form.

[@brendan01]

Sorry lol

[@thenerdbeast7375]

Sand dragons aren't dragonflies despite looking somewhat similar, they are the adult stage of the ant lion!

[@AwesomeHairo]

Theriomancer he said that

[@soupsabotage3946]

Thank you for saying this considering I think a lot of people are confused about this

[@catstate]

given how trapinch is an ant lion it makes sense!

[@demi-femme4821]

Fitting

[@SoMaDo]

ive heard people call antlions sanddragons before but im pretty sure sanddragons are dragonflies but adult antlions aren't sanddragons/dragonflies . . . but google/wikipedia has been wrong before so

[@davidwilson2916]

Thank God that Flygon FINALLY got Dragon Dance in Gen 7: it probably would have ended up in PU otherwise. A Mega Evolution definitely wouldn't hurt though!

[@jochen4207]

Can we go over on how absolutely stunning that Gen 3 META review was? To this day one of the best analyses they've done.

[@KingdomHeartsKeeper]

Misdreavus/Mismagius? How good was the first pure-Ghost-Type ACTUALLY? Gotta keep asking~

[@c.jhamblin5759]

We will win wventually

[@icebat10]

How GOOD was Milotic ACTUALLY? #FishSquad our persistance was too strong and the last video was taken down, but that will never stop us from achieving our goal of having False swipe gaming review our favorite fish friend. Our battle was close last week against the Flygons but alas they fought a bit harder, but as yet another adversary leaves the battlefield our time has come to seize the spotlight and unleash our true power, FOR WE MUST UNITE!

[@shawnjavery]

Or don't.

[@2thezaza]

stfu

[@benfranklin7975]

Milotic is a pretty good water wall. I would say, better than Slowbro.

[@BlockBlazer]

Man... Sometimes I forget that Showdown has been around for a long time. I didn't even know of Showdown until gen 6, when I started competitive battling.

[@Sai4651]

Yeah, I feel Showdown jumped in popularity recently

[@soupboy-yn8oz]

hello???? that was netbattle, not showdown

[@BlockBlazer]

@@soupboy-yn8oz What the hell is a netbattle.

[@soupboy-yn8oz]

@@BlockBlazer what u saw in the video was netbattle supremacy, not pokémon showdown

[@sephikong8323]

Well, Showdown "only" exists since gen 5, there were other simulators before that, though none as complete as Showdown. However, it's true that Smogon has been around for quite a freaking long time at this point, almost twenty years, like man, some of the OG are getting old

[@greentea5534]

This is why flygon should have been a psuedo legendary, and why he should get a mega

[@_pumpiii]

yeah, but flygon was introduced in gen 3, and there were already 2 pseudo legendaries, as much as I love Flygon, I think 3 pseudo legendaries in 1 gen only is a bit too much.

[@Xman34washere]

@@_pumpiii well then just make Salamence a Trade evo, or nerf it's stats.

[@i_like_chomp6382]

@@Xman34washere thats dumb. Salamence is awesome for its stats nerfing it would kill him

[@snarls3760]

@@i_like_chomp6382 salmence could have worked with a base stat total of 570 not outclassing the regis stil very powerfull and doesnt give him that big of a drop so that salmence fans would be annoyied

[@ste9497]

Nah they should have just gave flygon a mega then it would be as good if not better than a pseudo

[@AsianWithHat]

*How GOOD was Milotic ACTUALLY?* *I WILL NEVER GIVE UP*

[@babiecathegreat163]

AsianWithHat Great minds think alike

[@Akirathedon92]

This please!

[@zacthemastodonranger]

I AM WITH YOU WE WILL NOT GIVE UP AND WE WILL NOT SURRENDER

[@Keshav-il2hp]

NO ONE WILL GIVE UP

[@iamgolden596]

#fishsquad

[@GeoSaber_]

How Good was Pilloswine/Mamoswine Actually? Even re-uploads shalln't deter me

[@peelsbanana1626]

Shan't*

[@GeoSaber_]

Shalln't** I know what i typed

[@bobdon1115]

great video! actually really enjoyed the in depth analysis on the gen 3 metagame. definitely one of your best projects so far!

[@g3neralrevan27]

Really appreciated the breakdown of Flygon's importance in TSS and his immunities, it's really enlightening. Cool pokemon

[@thedennysgrandslam7687]

How good was Aggron actually?? Still not gonna give up until I get my boy.

[@klondikelegitski675]

Not good, and boring

[@kanibelazy0585]

But its mega became super hyper defensive wall mon

[@luizfelipevbf5567]

Kanibelazy 05 but its special defense still bad, i had a max health max special defense mega aggron, it died to one thunderbolt from a vikavolt

[@warmanplayer6561]

How GOOD was Electabuzz/Electivire ACTUALLY?

[@skycrimestv7165]

Garbage Saved you a 20 minute video

[@benfranklin7975]

One of the few times where Dugtrio is actually good. Arena Trap and EQ kills them.

[@Nathan-fy8rj]

You’ve gotten a lot better with analysing Pokemon. You used to do 6 gens in 10-15 minutes, but now you do 3 or 4 in 15-20, with good analysis. Good job!

[@hdonoso]

This is genuinely one of my favorite videos of all time, it gives so much light to my soul to revive that time in earlier generations where Flygon was the people's champ. It's incredible how much love and affection I can have to something intangible like a Pokemon, and of course the experience is so much more enjoyable with the best Poketuber of all. Thank you for your content and keep it coming! It honestly feels like a treasure!

[@AngryLittleAmericans]

How good was Milotic Actually?

[@MetalGearRaxis]

Fish Squad unite, go upvote other Milotic comments ;)

[@babiecathegreat163]

How *Beautiful* was Milotic Actually *We of the Fish Squad will not be silenced*

[@iamgolden596]

Babieca! #fishsquad

[@MetalGearRaxis]

Nope, no silencing

[@optimuspirate7735]

Fish Squad!

[@SynthLove]

I feel like I’m at trainer school.

[@Sleepless_Sam]

I finally knows what it feels like to have FSG cover your favorite.

[@fujoshitrash688]

Need my mon milotic!

[@MetalGearRaxis]

Go upvote other Milotic omments too ;)

[@Wizard_Lizard_]

*How GOOD was Dugtrio ACTUALLY?*

[@KingStr0ng]

^ ^ This ^ ^

[@nateroy4042]

How has this not been picked yet?

[@neko9485]

I loved your analysis of adv OU flygon. was one of my favorite mons to use back in netbattle days.

[@mafiousbj]

I felt and extra level of care with this, just the analysis of the Gen3 meta you made here and why Flygon shined in it deserves it's own video!! I like the longer videos with in dept analysis., keep them coming!!

[@Anditeshordo]

How good was Aggron actually?

[@mochaari4793]

How good was Dugtrio Actually I WILL NEVER GIVE UP!!!

[@MrJohnReviews]

Gen 1 - Great Speed but Lackluster Attack and Paper Thin defensesGen 2 - NeverUsed.Gen 3 - Arena Trap FTW!Gen 4 - Same thing but in underusedGen 5 - I dunno how the hell did he made a comebackGen 6 & 7 - Arena Trap was banned to ubers and therefore it´s where he´s staying for now

[@CheesyCore]

HighBunker HxH Parodies 120 speed. offensive dugtrio can shut down volcarona and jirachi easily. absolutely a monster against the major threats gen 6 pretty much the same thing. great ways to handle common mons gen 7 got arena trap banned to uber. and dugtrio belongs there

[@geoshmeo1900]

cheesy core its very lackluster in gen 7 ubers, sadly

[@CheesyCore]

GEO SHMEO it is, but he has his niche

[@geoshmeo1900]

cheesy core ah yes, that niche that it gets completely outclassed by 3 pokemon (Mega Gengar, Gothirita/Gothitelle)

[@Afromanclassicsongs]

Just subscribed to this chanel, really good content! I’ve seen Persian pop up a few times in your videos so would like to see a video for how good Persian was. Another is Magmar as he was Pokemon Blue’s “major” Pokemon but was never 100% sure how good he actually was. Thanks and keep the content up!

[@chexkers4212]

So...you’re telling me... that in GEN 4, one of the gens with many heavy hitters...one of the most popular Flygon sets was to use SCREECH?!!

[@Legogreens]

I never see screech flygon at all. Right now its either mixed life orb (my favorite) or choice. The rare toxic roost is used on defensive teams but is very niche.

[@Xman34washere]

*IT HAD FRICKIN DRAGON CLAW, ERGO, SOMETHING THAT IS GOOD AGAINST GARCHOMP, AND Y'ALL WANNA USE SCREECH?*

[@snarls3760]

@@Xman34washere screech can help a lot thay defence drop can help against heavy phiscly bulky hitters

[@redraven123]

Flygon has had sone weird sets. They completely missed a variation of the ADV Choice Band set that has picked up popularity. Earthquake, Rock Slide, Hidden Power Bug, and GUST... It needs HP Bug to hit Celebi and Claydol. Claydol specifically takes nothing from HP Flying, Earthquake, and Rock Slide. HP Ghost is tempting for Gengar, but the coverage against the others is two important. And Gengar takes a lot from banded Rock Slide as it is. It needed coverage for fighting types that resisted Earthquake like Heracross and Breloom, both of which resist EQ, Rock Slide, and HP Bug. So it now runs Gust.

[@luiseduardo8806]

@@redraven123 I remember someone telling about this in the ADV discord server

[@atsukana1704]

#makeflygonamega #makeflygongreatagain

[@generic7030]

#Flygonlove

[@ace-trainer-aj]

#flygonislove #flygonislife

[@lukakamsma]

#flygonisstillgreat

[@Pablo-yu9mc]

#GigamaxFlygonorelse

[@superhappygamer1162]

#flygon

[@patrickf803]

How good was Milotic actually?

[@lapischicken]

Finally, I have been featured Even though I may not be the biggest threat in battles I sure do have a big fanbase

[@benfranklin7975]

I like your response buddy. I use you to fight and you have been pretty reliable.

[@prosto-random]

Of course you have a lot of fans

[@animatedink2529]

And you always will have fans. You're always my go-to dragon

[@dannymitchell5851]

Hands down my favorite video you’ve done yet. Also, how about Murkrow/Honchrow?

[@XenoBeth]

ROSELIA AND ROSERADE!

[@scarletred7669]

Tanookied I hope this gets done one day

[@Supersonic1014]

How GOOD was Ditto ACTUALLY?

[@letsrank9349]

Yeh! Ditto (same here)

[@Toastguy716]

Ditto!

[@timoverhoef8921]

Really bad until gen 5 then, still the worst tier.

[@WakeUpUniverse66]

So Fuckin Amazing.

[@rider4523]

Not really interesting. "Choice scarf revenge killer" That´s everything it does exept for maybe some gimmicks with quick claw

[@Wildcatt1999]

It's so sad that it's now too late to give Flygon a Mega.

[@ALLMETAL1970]

Gen 9 could help us

[@saaranshdas8253]

Diamond pearl remakes will give it a Mega

[@sriansumishra6028]

Yes😓

[@Zanedotmidi]

@@saaranshdas8253 lol

[@sksnipes8208]

Maybe when we eventually get gen 6 remakes

[@artificialidiot1654]

Ive always thought those red big things were its eyes.

[@tunaprogamer6187]

İsnt it eyes?!?!

[@afedupdialga168]

Tuna Pro Gamer the big red things are lenses that cover flygon’s eyes since it’s known for whipping up sandstorms

[@tunaprogamer6187]

@@afedupdialga168 that maket sense

[@thatoneguy2960]

How GOOD is dugtrio ACTUALLY Come on false swipe we are waiting

[@dwightforde6874]

I said it in the original Flygon video how good was Milotic

[@MetalGearRaxis]

Same! :D Fish squad unite!

[@badboi0717]

I really love how complete this is, thank you

[@Vivat_Veritas]

Can I say? I super appreciate all the effort you put into these videos. Not only do you analyse every generation the Pokemon appeared in, you also analyse what it's like in the metagame of that game TODAY, as WELL as having extensive knowledge about tiers and builds many competitive players would just dismiss as gimmicks. I am honestly blow away by these videos and I'm proud to be a subscriber (even if I do watch the videos on 1.5x speed)

[@guildmasterri5995]

TheExplorerOfTime his videos are good in quality wise and they're entertaining too and even if you aren't good in competitive battles its fun to watch the videos of your favorite pokemon history in battles

[@the-renegade]

I can never watch videos with normal speed... Is it bad?

[@shivambangia5193]

How good was Dugtrio actually? Been asking for this for 3 months now.

[@hinamiravenroot7162]

Not very

[@deepfry4173]

Ensign Shepard uhh, what?

[@CheesyCore]

Morgan Complex really? dugtrio? a meta defining 'mon on the advanced metagame and bw? and nowadays a very nice magearna and necrozma counter? dugtrio is like the ultimate trapper although alolan dugtrio sucks ass he lost arena trap for what? steel typing and speed down for pokemons who attack it? alolan dugtrio is really bad

[@MechaPro93]

cheesy core necrozma counter? How?

[@CheesyCore]

RileyEskobar groundium Z earthquake and than he is still a great trapper

[@kostas5520]

20:43 WOW, what an amazing turn.

[@arthurfieldone4397]

Great episode dude

[@averytubestudios]

You can use a tried and true strategy since RBY... STAB EARTHQUAKE!

[@BuildingHP]

Muk & Alolan Muk would make a great addition. You haven’t reviewed many poison types.

[@CosmicFlareYT]

How GOOD was Voltorb's big bro, the reverse-coloured Poke Ball, Electrode?

[@shot040]

on par with Yamcha.

[@CosmicFlareYT]

@★ Froggie Animation ★ Uhhh... no, I don't. Have we met?

[@yaboidragonitehere1137]

superior to plusle and minun, i mean, one of the worst mon of all time, thanks to its meager stats. and a horrendous movepool, it sucks sucks sucks really

[@shmirko1665]

You know you have an impact on the metagame when top tier threats use a move solely to check you.

[@PipePlazaStudios]

This is honestly your best video yet, an absolutely terrific dissection of a period in the meta easily lost to time of one of its most nuanced Pokemon The gen 4 bit caught me off guard too, I stopped playing a bit before Garchomp got banned so I was totally unaware of its performance in the post-MenceChomp metagame!

[@MoxieBoosted]

How good was *HONCHKROW* actually? (And Murkrow)

[@Lucarioliker12]

Moxie Boosted fancy seeing you here mr. moxie

[@MoxieBoosted]

Ember_ henlo

[@ace_stallion]

How GOOD was Golem ACTUALLY?! #IveBeenAskingForThisSinceTheMachampVideoSoYouShouldLikeThisCommentToHelpMeWinTheCommentVoteAndEndMySuffering

[@ebtheartist3843]

There is already a video talking about golem

[@alexbluecyndaquil]

Guess what? He did it!

[@Sai4651]

It's crazy how Gen 7 RU Pokemon could have been OU just 3 generation prior

[@lucifermorningstar2766]

I am grateful that Flygon was in the game. It may be not be my favorite dragon type but it was a huge help when I was trying to catch Groudon in ORAS. That immunity to Precipice Blades and Earthquake and resistance to Lava Plume was so helpful along with Flygon not strong enough to to kill Groudon in one hit

[@beta511ee4]

Ironically, this came into play with Flygon making rare appearances in Ubers simply to perform the role of a Defogger that could reliably beat Primal Groudon (in Gen 6, that is).

[@chomp4135]

How good was the Water snake/Gyarados Clone Milotic

[@MetalGearRaxis]

Upvote and reply to other Milotic comments ;)

[@jackkingsman2758]

chomp Milotic isn't a copy of gyarados. The only thing it shares with milotic is its stat total and how they are split up. But this can also be said for Kingdra so do you really want to say that Kingdra or Milotic copies Gyarados?

[@jackkingsman2758]

chomp But I would appreciate it if the next video would be milotic

[@chomp4135]

Jack Nintendrake they are both snakes so they are clones REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[@jackkingsman2758]

chomp Just... Just No

[@geckomoriadaimyoofwano7157]

How good ACTUALLY was Misdreavus and Mismagius please please??

[@victikirby15]

I actually used a Flygon on my VCG’15 team on Showdown. It was used as a Tailwind setter, with Earthquake, U-Turn, and Steel Wing for fairies, plus a Focus Sash to ensure it survived at least one hit

[@spacelizbian]

Flygon just really needed to get a mega. Without that boost it'll always just be a worse Garchomp.

[@danielq2358]

I always thought about boosting its speed and attack both by 10.

[@kingryuga9710]

@@danielq2358 especially Speed by 10. He really looks faster than 100 base.

[@smithclaxton3357]

Even mega garchomp is a worse garchomp

[@chrisf.9595]

@@kingryuga9710 Honestly Flygon''s a bit dummy thicc I was surprised it had 100 base speed

[@glaciveestudios6170]

Well, Garchomp doesn't get Dragon dance so..

[@enxgmatxcofficial]

How good was Piloswine/Mamoswine or Xatu? *I'M NEVER GIVING UP FOR XATU* #XatuNeedsLoveToo

[@MrJohnReviews]

How good was Dugtrio ACTUALLY?

[@naturalharmoniagropius4486]

HighBunker HxH Parodies nuts in Ubers in Gen 6-7

[@spiritofnex]

I've been wanting this one for ages.

[@SamuelSamuelSamuel1]

No u

[@geoshmeo1900]

Natural Harmonia Gropius its actually not that good in gen 7 Ubers, especially since it gets outclassed by Mega Gengar and Gothitelle/Gothirita

[@KingStr0ng]

We *NEED* this!

[@sayvionwashington1939]

Here's an Idea : Buff Flygon Sp. Attack and Speed to 100 and 110 respectively, and then give it Tinted Lens as a Hidden Ability. The Speed buff is because just about everything has Base 100 speed these days. The Special Attack buff is because a good chunk of it's coverage options are special moves. And then I gave it Tinted Lens because we don't a Physical Attacker with Tinted Lens. (You don't count Mothim, with yo ass speed tier) Also, just look at it. It also makes Flygon pretty unpredicatble, since one of it's abilities grants it an immunity to EQ, Spikes, and Toxic Spikes. And the other allows it to spam it's STABs near unopposed. Neither are something you want to allow to come in scott free.

[@marksantiago9841]

You cant boost flygon’s speed to 110 because it was DESIGNED to be inferior to salamence. Like it or not but its the truth. Flygon is designed even back in generation 3 as a temporary slot before getting the stronger harder dragon to catch salamence just like with the case of haxorus and hydreigon. If flygon were to receive a buff, the best way is to increase sp attack to 110 or increase the attack stat to 110 or probably 120 for stronger effect, but definitely not the speed.

[@thegoldmario4879]

@@marksantiago9841 >:( just make flygon op

[@albabimam1114]

Actually keep the speed at 100 amd give it Quiver Dance. Imagine a Pokemon with both Dragon Dance AND Quiver Dance, would be very hard to deal with since the two would have very different countrrs

[@Oliver-uz1fs]

With SpA at 100, QD and tinted lens is enough to at least give him a niche in OU, trust me, is proved

[@starvedrock314]

Our boy may finally get his long-awaited Mega!

[@Fool3427]

How good was piloswime/mamoswime actually

[@laughingkjot6417]

How Good was Dugtrio Actually?

[@KingStr0ng]

^ ^ THIS ^ ^

[@joshuagaudreau5822]

Nice intro, I really liked the transition to the opening question

[@Red-yt2dk]

Excellent audio normalization this time around guys, keep it up! Also, can we have Lugia now?

[@Goldenhawk0]

MILOTIC!!

[@nathanf1149]

How GOOD Was Piloswine And Mamoswine ACTUALLY?

[@mikofox9798]

11:39 end of ten 3 REMEMBER WHEN THE VIDEO WOULD JUST END BY THEN LMAO

[@Xman34washere]

And it's FROM gen 3

[@btb8675]

Flygon is one of those Pokémon that shows how relatively insignificant base stats are when you have everything else going for you. It means you have to strategize and be aware of things it beats and things it loses to, and emphasizes the utility of scouting. Because of it’s typing, ability, and movepool, it can not only beat Pokémon weak to it or weaker than it, but can often capitalize off of the dents put into the opposing team (and the aforementioned scouting) to predeterministically set up dragon dance or choice sweeps.

[@Kisarez]

My favourite examples are Breloom and Sableye

[@takeda6516]

Flygon has good base stats

[@Kitschy_]

@@takeda6516no I doesn’t flygons bst total is 520 which is lower then most starter Pokémon

[@takeda6516]

@@Kitschy_ I said it has good base stats, not a high BST.

[@bankrollrastaman7060]

How good was ELECTABUZZ/ELECTIVIRE!!! Come on my Elec people run the likes up!!

[@cayetanotrazonamoraldejr.2244]

How good was dugtrio actually?

[@benfranklin7975]

Dug is not really that great. It is a glass cannon that can handle Blissy and electric types, but a lot of things can come in and knock it out.

[@TheScrewHero]

With arena trap, nothing can come in before it kills something.

[@benfranklin7975]

Yes, but it has frail defences. Blissy can catch it off guard with Ice Beam, but Revenge Dug can work as well as being a great Electric type answer. I think that Dug is too specified to qualify for a competitive commentary which is why FSG is probably going to gloss over it. If a commentary happens, then I would be pleased, but don't be surprised if it does not happen.

[@JorgeGonzalez-cl3vq]

U mentioned net battle days and i drop a tear... What a days

[@bryanvictoriano370]

Flygon needs a buff :( Hp:80 Atk:110 Def:80 SpAtk:80 SpDef:80 Spd:110 Total stat: 540 not to much but enough

[@calebshmanderson]

I think just add 20 on either Atk or Speed would be really helpful

[@Gojira_uz]

Or a mega with +50 in both attack and speed would be absolutely amazing for it, making it have: HP: 80 Attack: 150 Defense: 80 Special Attack: 80 Special Defense: 80 Speed:150 OR! You could do the same thing they did with Beedrill and decrease some of its less useful stats and make it look something like this HP: 80 Attack: 170 Defense: 100 Special Attack: 40 Special Defense: 80 Speed: 150 170 attack easily gives it one of the strongest Earthquakes in the game, and with 150 speed, its guaranteed to out speed any Pokemon that can check or counter it with little to no speed investment, and base 100 defense just because that's a good place to put the extra 20 stat points without making it absolutely broken in terms of attack. Just the concept of the second stat spread is horrifying to imagine and would make it overused without a doubt. As for the ability, I'd say Sand Stream or something, as it references one of its Pokedex entries to be able to summon sandstorms.

[@gengarzilla1685]

If Flygon _really_ wants to get out of Garchomp's shadow, it should have a Mega that focuses on Special Attack. This is how Pidgeot managed to distinguish itself from every other Normal/Flying Pokémon.

[@RedDragonForce2]

My version: HP: 100 Atk: 100 Def: 80 SpAtk: 80 SpDef: 80 Spd: 110 550, but survives more hits!!

[@sayvionwashington1939]

I say buff it's Special Attack to base 100 (And maybe buff it's Speed to 105 -110) and give it Tinted Lens as a HA. I've always wanted to 2HKO Sp. Def Heatran with Specs Draco Meteor.

[@metagross9092]

How good was Dugtrio actually?

[@KingStr0ng]

^ ^ THIS ^ ^

[@SirStanleytheStumbler]

How good was Muk actually?

[@rossthemoss6827]

Alolan muk > regular muk

[@Greenscyth22]

MUK MUK MUK MUK!!!!!

[@TheHDEpics]

ha i get it

[@GalacticHeroEtna]

Imagine how much of a threat Flygon would have been if it got a Mega with the ability Tinted Lens, or if it had Tinted Lens as a hidden ability. I mean, Tinted Lens makes so much sense because is literally is wearing goggles.

[@buttpiratesbuttpirate5913]

How fast did FSG talk in this episode ACTUALLY? Speed = Uber

[@snehrashmi5958]

Speed 200 speed of regieleki

[@yaboidragonitehere1137]

@@snehrashmi5958 but even though it is fast. It has a lackluster movepool

[@brandonhoward3672]

Milotic

[@MetalGearRaxis]

Upvote and reply to other Milotic comments ;)

[@MsShySkye]

How good was Golem/ Alolan Golem. Come on everyone lets get this one done!! Last of the gen 1 trade evos, Strong Gen 1 defensive pivot, exploder, rock setter and new typing in gen 7. Lets rock and roll with this one!!

[@samadhanjain9271]

It will be GROUNDed in gen 3

[@orangeyellow9695]

The first dragon type I ever raised. The best dragon on my heart.

[@jacobrichards3504]

do more types! or maybe generations or sum. i love these videos!