How GREAT were Seadra & Kingdra ACTUALLY? - History of Seadra & Kingdra in Competitive Pokemon

[@silverkoffee]

The horse council will not be happy

[@2rare2die26]

Clutch crossover

[@Oksana2501]

It's Seadra Sunday folks

[@darkdragon7210]

Hahaha!!!

[@BromanderInChief]

This is insane.

[@Samuel-pt2tl]

"I understood that reference"

[@sephikong8323]

I swear that Kingdra is the quintessential "wait, I thought your stats were higher" Pokemon. It's total is high, but the first time you see it's spread i swear that most people are shocked at the fact it doesn't reach 100 in a single stat

[@Deadknight237]

It doesn’t need 95 base attack. Put those points into something else

[@joeyyoung5173]

@@Deadknight237 it does, in singles at least. Kingdra is great in part because you don't know if it runs physical or special

[@Kasaaz]

In Doubles/VGC you are almost always running it in Rain for Swift Swim so you already have a 50% boost to those Muddy Waters, etc.

[@taylorhillard4868]

Honestly i had sort of the opposite reaction. I never dabbled much in competitive, but i was surprised when i heard a gen 2 randomizer speedrunner say that kingdra was top A tier. I was like "i didnt think its stats were that good" since to me the only thing it had was good typing/almost no weaknesses. For neutral hits it always seemed like a mid stat pokemon to me. Usually high speed and high offense is preferred for those runs (like Aerodactyl or Dodrio) but i guess bulk helps when you use X items.

[@sephikong8323]

@joeyyoung5173 Physical Kingdra has been very very niche compared to Special Kingdra especially post Gen 4. It's not that you are "guessing" when you see a Kingdra in front of you, you'll assume it's special as Physical Kingdra doesn't cross your mind. You might want to run it Physical to catch people off guard, but you'd end up with a much *much* worse Pokemon overall as Physical Kingdra has a worse coverage (by a lot actually as on the special side it can use Ice Beam and Hurricane) and raw power and you'd also be running a severely outclassed Physical rain sweeper (why not use Barraskweda, Kabutops, Basculegion etc ?) and if you're trying to do it with a Sniper Set then you're infinitely worse at abusing it since you don't have Draco Meteor to spam. And if you're trying to do a Dragon Dance set then congratulations, you've got like the 25th best DD user available. Physical Kingdra is a non factor. You could drop it's attack to 55 and increase it's SpA and HP by 20 each and the mon would be a lot better with not a lot lost in the process

[@rubenduenas5881]

The pokedex states that Kingdra and Dragonite regularly fight in ocean storms. If that isn't the most metal thing ever, I don't know what is.

[@darkdragon7210]

Which one?

[@TheMasterBlaze]

Makes sense since Kingdra is a known Creator of storms while Dnite is a well known Rescuer during storms.

[@JJNWSGHOST0299]

​@@darkdragon7210Pokémon Sword.

[@ansoni1295]

This was actually shown in the anime where Goh used Ash’s Dragonite’s cry to lure one to him

[@cristhianmlr]

Mega Aggron

[@MarStarzzz]

“Outclassed by Dewgong” is a sentence I never thought I would hear

[@Flaming_Rok]

Dewgong is starting to have an interesting lower tier history, particularly in Gen 1 UU where it's the best defensive answer to Articuno. But in general Seadra's worse than you think it is, so being outclassed by Dewgong isn't super surprising.

[@rajeshpr6190]

Dewgong is a great in lower tiers pre stealth rocks

[@pacoramon9468]

-We only have only line of dragon Pokémon, how can we fix that on the sequel? -Make just one dragon type and make it a trade evolution.

[@88porpoise]

Seadra's evolution into a dragon type is anything but random. In fact it is very strange that Horsea and Seadra aren't+ dragons when they are literally "the Dragon Pokemon"

[@erdemuykan9219]

That is not even the most questionable thing in gen 2 lol

[@ToxicAtom]

It may have been scrubby, but after the Crit Chance change in Gen 6, I loved the wack strategy of Scope Lens + Focus Energy + Sniper. Hilarious stuff.

[@MattJammer]

I adore that strat so much. It may not be the most optimal, but 100% crit Draco Meteor is amazing.

[@SkarmoryJr-ov5zy]

Does a critical Draco meteor bypass the special attack drop?

[@FrogAssemblyLine]

@@SkarmoryJr-ov5zy Yes

[@MrCactuar13]

@@SkarmoryJr-ov5zy There's a WeedleTwineedle video where she was abusing glitched Dragon Cheer to abuse Draco Meteor in doubles

[@SkarmoryJr-ov5zy]

@@MrCactuar13 thanks for telling me

[@nicolasromani3523]

Kingra is so cool. It is a prime candidate for a mega.

[@Kasaaz]

Would be cool to see another evolution of Seadra too.

[@rxm8524]

Or a variant like Paldean Tauros

[@GravityIsFalling]

It’s not popular (Charizard) and it’s not already broken (mence) It has no chance

[@FartSnicklesthe3rd8626]

@@GravityIsFallingaudino Banette and glalie

[@magmarman2633]

​@@GravityIsFallingbro forgot about Mawile and Kangaskhan

[@sussy3778]

Kingdra really is the poster child for how insanely power crept Pokémon has become, balanced stats nowadays really don't seem to take you far due to how absurdly minimaxed a lot of the new mons are.

[@eliyaskiya]

Idk about the poster child, Tauros and Snorlax exist

[@sussy3778]

​@@eliyaskiya Tauros got screwed over more by mechanic changes than powercreep to be honest. And Snorlax tends to be good in most tiers it ends up nowadays. Snorlax issue really is that it lacks reliable recovery outside of Rest which is pretty bad for a tanky pokémon, it doesn't even learn Wish.

[@rubadub15]

@@sussy3778snorlax untiered right now… but yes primarily a recovery issue

[@kiz5562]

@@sussy3778 Snorlax should learn Slack off. Makes no sense why GF didnt give him that

[@sussy3778]

@@rubadub15 Yeah. Being a slow bulky attacker without reliable recovery really hurts it. Sad thing is that stat-wise Snorlax is actually not that behind, and it's movepool and abilities are amazing, but lacks the one thing that makes or breaks most walls.

[@sebastianchavez1225]

I was super attached to my Kingdra in HGSS because it took max friendship to learn Draco Meteor and well i got very into the concept i mean i liked all of my pokemons but i'd imagine me patting its head

[@AdamSchmitz]

It's stories/memories like these that make Pokémon special to us!

[@YesImJoeKing]

😊. And I have one in my platinum.

[@yserareborn]

“The truly old among us will remember when Seadra was a fully evolved Pokemon.” You really trying to start something on a Sunday?

[@jonming6676]

Shoutout to everyone that wanted to use kingdra in the early gens, but never had anyone to trade with 😢

[@Karacetamol]

Oh man, I remember struggling to break through Kingdra in Crystal with my Typhlosion. Good times. Here's to the nostalgia!

[@SagaciousSilence]

Wow I just realized Kingdra basically has Gen 1 Seadra’s same stats except 20 more HP and 30 more Attack. I guess the type-transformations in Gen 2 weren’t supposed to be focused on stats but on the better typing, like in the case of Scizor that gets no stat increases (just redistribution).

[@fulltimeslackerii8229]

Steelix:

[@Limelime420]

@@fulltimeslackerii8229I mean that was needed though 😂

[@D-Havoc]

​@@fulltimeslackerii8229 It got harder. But also slower.

[@tktyga77]

Don't forget 50 more Special Defense as of Gen 2

[@SagaciousSilence]

@@tktyga77 Wrong, they decreased Seadra’s special defense, and gave Kingdra the special defense that Sedra used to have when special was one stat.

[@vaporterra]

Molly using Kingdra against Misty’s Goldeen in the 3rd Movie was just overkill 😢

[@booshbear]

Mistys Goldeen wouldve swept a regular Kingdra

[@cinder8155]

Nah misty goldeen was a weakling

[@darkdragon7210]

@@booshbear How?

[@sandshrew-alola]

She GameSharked the hell out of it

[@sandshrew-alola]

Then again, Misty looked Kingdra dead in the face first and still decided Goldeen was a good idea

[@maximillian-fox]

I remember long time ago having a Pokemon coloring book that contained a page to let you draw and design your own "future" pokemon when gen 1 was all we had in the States. My older sister drew what she wanted to see which at the time was a evolution of her favorite mon Seadra. I don't think I have the book anymore, but I do remember her drawing of a glittery purple and blue Seadra evolution with queen motifs and long seaweed tendrils. Funny how Kingdra is what we got in reality, which ended up being one of MY favorite pokemon. Would love a mainline game to give us access to full Kingdra early on again.

[@CocktailBoomin]

The horse council’s victory is now all but inevitable

[@LionsEatNoobs]

I think Kingdra is one of the most underrated Dragon Types. Even if it's no Psuedo-legandary, it's still awesome

[@AwakeningShadows]

What makes Kingdra stand out is that fantastic type combination. Back in Gen 2-4, when its only weakness was Dragon, was an absolute menace.

[@ChampionMarx]

Kingdra was always one of favourite lower tier pokemon. It just has a cool factor that other pokemon don't in my eyes. Plus water dragon is just a good type

[@TheFireHawkDelta]

The mention of Clefable rising to UU in gen 1 makes me think about Clefable's weird journey in competitive Pokemon. A generation by generation analysis of Clefable would be almost completely out of order, as its usage in earlier generations is inspired by its performance in gen 6. Strip away Clef's gen 6 and gen 5 buffs and you're still left with a solid Pokemon.

[@dunkkato7030]

the Remakes are always my favorite, when Tyranitar comes, may God bless you

[@JJNWSGHOST0299]

That one might actually be a movie.

[@aespa690]

I remember using Focus Energy + Scope Lens + Sniper. Not the most effective but auto crit ignoring Draco Meteros Spatk drop was fun

[@FrinniferFran]

Unideal but funny

[@birds1062]

I still think that I'd like to see ZU coverage from gens 7 onward, because they're really interesting metagames, even if they aren't official.

[@DukeSR8]

And for him to stop referring to ZU as untiered.

[@TheRRhoynar]

Do donphan the next, donphan is one of the few pokemon that have survived gen9, amazing gen for him, despite his low stats, he is Uu, in one of the most aggressive gens in power crept, he obtained 2 paradox variants, great Tusk being king in Ou, and Iron Treads was king in Uu, before he returned to Ou, Donphan is one of the biggest winners of the gen

[@mochiman6307]

For context in gen 9 kingdra is number 1 in ZU usage, wish fsg brought this tier up

[@gb4206]

Unofficial tier

[@kicker3186]

Always loved Kingdra. Cool design and cool typing.

[@swagmaster699]

Sniper Kingdra with focus energy and scope lens, while fairly niche, is pretty fun Especially with draco meteor

[@Glory2Snowstar]

Seahorses IRL look at Kingdra’s acceptable Speed with envy. I may be more of a Dragalge person but I LOVE this line. Majestic and weird Dragon fish!

[@FrostGhidorahEX]

We need a regional form or something to bring Kingdra back Or maybe a mega. Just something. Anything. Also shoutout to that poor Kingdra that Totodile essentislly waterlogged by biting its mouth shut so it couldn't hydro pump

[@gamermanzeake]

Kigndra has always been one of the coolest water types! But also one of the many reasons I can't stand that the only way to obtain the trade pokes is if you do trade them with other folks. There's no reason why there can't be NPCs who trade you for these mons.

[@JulianimeIsAmazing]

Never forget that one girl in Sinnoh with the Haunter. (: Truly one of the most heinous moves of all time.

[@SantosOverlord]

a simple stat restribution would be enough, take out 15 attack and put it in spa, then 5 from each defense and put it on its hp, now it would have 85 hp, 80 attack, 90 defense, 110 special attack, 90 special defense and 85 speed, it would still have the balanced stat feel that they wanted while making it a bit bulkier and much more dangerous

[@silver_was_found]

This is probably more “Kingdra stats” than Kingdra’s actual stats lol

[@SantosOverlord]

@@silver_was_found i aimed for something like that, i hope they update old mons like this to fight power creep

[@aztumtheknightofwumbo7060]

So that raises a question. What new tools would you be willing to give Kingdra?

[@SantosOverlord]

@@aztumtheknightofwumbo7060 at best nasty plot, with those stats and abilities it doessnt need anything else

[@SantosOverlord]

@yoshiwoollyworld it does make sense to give that move since Seadra is poisonous, but i dont really see any extra move really fit most sets, only nieche

[@Nyloxmc]

0:10 GET OUT OF MY HEAD

[@sealcuddl3r]

Me too dude :c

[@dylanbuchanan6511]

Before fairy type, dragon/water was probably the best defensive type you could hope for. Add that on top of really even stats and access to either dragon dance or swift swim and boom, you have a very versatile pokemon that can adapt to many tiers.

[@robbiehewitt55]

I was just looking for a new upload. Perfect timing.

[@ES-dp6tw]

It is nice to have this focus on Kingdra, definitely one of second gen's more memorable Pokemon and with some good highs. Had a thought mind. One of Kingdra's talking points was that it was only weak to dragon before fairy came along, which raises an interesting what-if; how do you think the metagames would have adjusted if fairy-type had been in Pokemon since the very beginning?

[@JJNWSGHOST0299]

Gen 1 would be wild. One Steel type, assuming it's retroactively applied to Magneton, and no good Poison moves. Clefable would effectively have no weaknesses.

[@ES-dp6tw]

@@JJNWSGHOST0299 I know Mr Mime would be loving life in gen two if it had fairy back then. Beats dark with fairy STAB, beats poison with psychic STAB, the steel types are all slow and can be handled with Fire Punch, and the ghost types aren't particularly threatening outside of like destiny bond or something XD

[@cesarmito5341]

Mr.Mime would literally be one of the best mons in RBY just because it got a pinky type. Fairy type really is a huge buff on any mon that gets it.​@@ES-dp6tw

[@TheSandwhichman108]

Water/dragon is an insane typing only having two weaknesses being dragon and fairy. Could you imagine if pokemon like Gyrados or Dragonite were given water/dragon as a type combination?

[@zacherytaylor]

Relicanth doesn't need an additional evolution to be perfect. We need a video discussing it's perfection

[@enoyna1001]

Sounds like a topic for BKC

[@tktyga77]

Seadra is one of mid stage evos that desperately needs some sort of buff(s) alongside its evo, but in slightly different ways (albeit in large part stemming from their rather shallow movepools). That said, I really like how your remake videos are covering more of the initially fully evolved pokes' careers instead of ending said points to once they get their evos, & I'd have thought it'd be a one-off thing with Onix & Steelix. Brings more need to recognize Middle Cup and/NFE tiers as full out metagame tiers like how Little Cup does so than ever before

[@Mm305star]

Truly kinging the dra...

[@sashasscribbles]

Kingdra really deserves a stat buff. Mega Kingdra would be epic but even just a 10 base point increase in its attacking stats would go a long way A water or dragon type high crit move might go hard for kingdra too, allowing for Kingdra to use other items on its Sniper varient Going into dream buff territory though, imagine mega kingdra having an ability that combines swift swim and sniper together! Unlease the Dragon Hailstorm muhahahaha~

[@M3rtyville]

waiting for the counterparts to complete: - Carracosta - Seviper - other gen 5 monkeys - Gothitelle - Alola Starters - Tornadus And I guess we could finish up Gen 2 with Sunflora, Magcargo (Slugma Male Grindset paying off when?) and Corsola. I think those are the only gen 2 Pokemon left to wrap it up.

[@KG-di1oh]

Kingdra do be the early goated "Water-Dragon-Like" Pokemon!!!!!!!!

[@d.n.3652]

I still use Kingdra in rain. Tera water and weatherball hits harder than my drunk step-dad when I don’t give him his beer after work

[@Sevvy_staxkz]

I could've sworn the thumbnail changed. I thought the most current photo of Kingdra was facing to the left, not the camera

[@ajoberdin]

i got here 20 seconds after the upload, its like my birthday

[@SteveScapesYT]

For BW, I’m surprised that BKC didn’t mention that the “BAN KINGDRA” crisis was going on at the same time that Darkrai, Genesect, and EVERY Deoxys (including Deo-A) was in the tier- and Swift Swim Perma Rain Kingdra was almost universally considered MORE broken then them.

[@hypphen]

truly one of the tiers of all time

[@calebstanerstratsshop1834]

The dragon water type is such a cool combo.

[@dramaticScar]

I like how back in the day the original videos were about how bad certain pokemon were in OU... now you have something positve to say even if they are in the lower tiers...

[@natsusatsujinki8342]

That's the main lesson of Pokemon. Every Pokemon has some use. It just depends on the user v

[@dramaticScar]

@@natsusatsujinki8342 except Ledian

[@11_turtles]

It's incredible that they covered Seadra in RBY NU even though it's super kneesh. Keep it up!

[@gio9255]

Kingdra still is a awesome Pokémon especially with tera. Its lack of coverage, average speed and lack of offensive power is what holds its back compared to other dragons. It’s a shame it never got nasty plot, calm mind or bulk up to bolster its boosting sweeper potential. Hoping one day it gets an expanded movepool and more coverage (sludge bomb, flamethrower, energy ball, psychic, etc.)

[@thepureheartofdark]

Kingdra needs a stat update. An even stat spread in a game with meta overspecialization won't cut it.

[@legopizza8063]

My favorite swift swim/sniper sweeper kingdra 🗣️🗣️

[@austinsmothers9868]

Not mentioning the advent of Fairy types or the addition of the move Freeze-Dry in Gen 6 is wild

[@terractus9972]

I mean tbf most fairies got smashed by water stab

[@austinsmothers9868]

@@terractus9972 Belly Drum Azumarill was Kingdra’s #1 check for awhile, especially Specs Kingdra

[@terractus9972]

@@austinsmothers9868 azu was mentioned in the video already

[@austinsmothers9868]

@@terractus9972 Man, during the Gen 6 section, the only Fairy type he mentioned was Whimsicott. Azumarill was good because it could switch in on Dracos and OHKO with Play Rough, as well as Altaria getting a Mega and being able to DD all over the place. Not to mention that Xerneas and Klefki are also huge reasons why Kingdra wasn’t even thought of in XY Ubers.

[@lyg483]

@@terractus9972Kingdra also has flash canon

[@jcminer8466]

YIPPIE ITS KINGDRA TIME FINALLY! Surely nothing will be said to absolutely smite my hype rn! I can't wait for a positive retrospective on the king of seadra babyyyy

[@SS4Luxray]

I literally just evolved a shiny seadra in Pokémon go and just maxed out a level 100 kingdra in sword then this drops 😭😭😭 Kingdra is so GOATED to me and severely underrated

[@benjaminknight8041]

The answer to Kingdra's buff is simple. Give the man a mega form

[@snapclub8751]

Kingdra and Ludicolo will always be the best Swift Swimmers in my books.

[@goldtyphlosion7537]

Kingdra honestly feels like a really underwhelming evolution stat wise from gen 1 to 2 seadra only effectively gained 20 attack and hp and dragon typing at a cost of 50 special defence thanks to the special change

[@adrianstyranitar717]

The tyranitar remake finna be crazy

[@jackeaton4393]

If you are ever worried if a strong water with swift swim was not good in smogon look no further than gen 5.

[@thepunisher6674]

The rain king Kabutops and omastar eat your heart out

[@TheStickCollector]

Ones you don't expect to see

[@swordfishXO]

Kingdra is my favorite pokemon. Loved using choice specs kingdra in BW OU before they banned swift swim with drizzle.

[@wooffee2]

40 minutes on favorite water horse. Love to see it.

[@chrisburns9898]

Will always think it’s crazy they didn’t do increase kingdra’s speed or sp atk with the evo. Like, you give it 10-15 in either stat and it might actually have a chance.

[@Brandon.thebaby]

the only mon kingdra fears- empoleon

[@yutogiovanna]

I did give Kingdra a huge BST buff in an emerald edit I was working on and uh let's just say by the time my gym battle with Juan was over (who's overall team I made way better) I only had one mon left. Mind you not only I had Sceptile but the vast majority of my team either resisted one of it's stabs or both and I was still getting literally washed.

[@chayoto]

Bless you for giving Kingdra the well-deserved love GameFreak denies it.

[@torru36]

Really hope Kingdra gets a new form, like a Mega or something. Feels weird that Clair showing her development in the post game or tournaments is showcased by her Dragonair evolving.

[@vvlaze]

The wording at 5:55 makes me imagine these videos in the context of like, a job interview. Like “Would you like to explain the gap in your resume around gens 4-5?”

[@paragonNH]

Finally, one of my favorite mons ever. Can't wait to watch this!

[@Arceusmemesidk-zk7tm]

I just got this channel recommended for the first time in months glad to be back

[@dmann5938]

I love it. The Queendra. Shiny Kingdra is amazing

[@globurim]

I swear I have a primal fear of Kingdra since it was my first time playing Firered and instinctively thought Kingdra is a major threat in Elite Four.

[@casualcraftman1599]

The original Seadra & Kingdra video was the first FSG video I've seen. Kingdra is my favorite gen 2 water type and unchallenged best gen 2 dragon type. I was never able to teach Kingdra Draco Meteor because I kept trading them between my Heartgold and Platinum games not raising friendship high enough.

[@noahberan6498]

"Dropped it down the elevator shaft" thats a Dr. Drake Ramoray moment right there

[@Jianichie]

Kingdra is one of the Pokémon I'd love to see get a stats buff so it can keep up; at least get out of untiered.

[@tvftw1]

Glad to see some Critdra representation in here, was never sure if it was remotely competitive or just pure meme

[@SweatShirt20]

kingdra needs a stat buff and a boosting move for its special attack

[@ValianceGames]

"Kingdra defeated OU" is terrifyingly accurate

[@RobinOfYlisse]

It's worth mentioning for those who don't know: crits also ignore your own attack drops, which makes draco meteor free

[@smugsneasel]

Kingdra...UNTIERED!?! We are way past the point of insanity!

[@lionturbulence]

if you play ZU it’s good there I hear.

[@michaelrodriguez4818]

I bet this video will make silphspectre happy. Can we get gyarados and magnazone remakes please! Also a flygon remake featuring lord flygonhg?

[@blufftonitevideo]

From one of the best to Untiered; riveting.

[@slackerofhell]

The Horsea line is one of my favorites and it's kinda sad that I've never used one in a playthrough.

[@BlaxxShadow]

“Ancient Lore….” Me: *Rapidly ages*

[@Duuhvis]

I remember seadra being my second favorite only next to dragonite. Then it got an evolution and it became my favorite

[@LuigiTheMetal64]

Ibuki and Adan are famous for having Kingdra.

[@2l84me8]

Scope Lens/ Focus energy is a scary set. If you can actually set it up.

[@dabibly]

Would be really baller to see an updated video on gardevoir

[@calvinmatthews1527]

Still has a pretty badass design for a sea horse/dragon.

[@fulgenzio89]

I had totally forgot that Seadra has Poison Point instead of Swift Swim, and Horsea has Swift Swim. LULZ

[@NRF-ql3bq]

I used Kingdras competitively. They're very good. Especially it's Dragon Dance set in Gen 4 OU. The only Pokemon that can defend against it effectively in that tier is Empoleon. I'd say Kingdra is one of my favorite Pokemon to use as a sweeper and offensively!

[@thel-iteralone4592]

How BROKEN was Swift Swim + Drizzle + Water/Dragon typing in Gen 5 ACT-- Uh-huh.

[@JanusHoW]

And to think, Kingdra lasted as long as it did before becoming Untiered without a single base stat over 100. Such is the power of Swift Swim. Also, Tyranitar remake when?

[@amyxhousestudios8126]

Always been one of my faves. I just wish I was into competitive back then when the line was decent.

[@YesImJoeKing]

Dragalge, magcargo, drifblim or rotom and all of his forms! 💪💪💪

[@PURPLE_G0J0]

I started watching when you first dropped the Blastoise video, I’m surprised Kingdra is just now coming up

[@dudeweedlmao8519]

kingdra is so cool. definitely due for a buff

[@JamesDavis-ox4iy]

Big shout-out to Joseph Brummett for making it to 10th with a 4 shiny squad. That is just awesome

[@najxoslamp2963]

Dragon Cheer + Kingdra go brrrrrrr