How Helluva Boss Failed Stella

[@dr.archaeopteryx5512]

It's really weird how in early season 1, Stolas is a coercive rich bastard who happens to have a soft spot for his daughter and Stella seems to be a troubled, if abusive wife lashing out at being wronged by her husband, and then in season 2, Stolas is suddenly an awkward UwU softboi who is only like this because he doesn't quite understand relationships, and Stella is a walking caricature who allegedly does everything she does to torment him, seemingly for the sake of her own amusement

[@doomfox6241]

I dont see a difference personally- I think it just recontextualizes s1

[@haruhikari2424]

I feel like Stella could’ve been a good character/villain if we could’ve gotten foreshadowing that she was a bad person who is asshole to everyone and is brat but we didn’t even get that as in every scene she was in at least before season 2 we felt sympathy for her as her husband cheated and is very public about his affair but then when we see her again she does a completely 180 and is seemingly evil which again I have no problem with asshole, bitchy and bratty characters but at there was foreshadowing to does traits but with Stella it just feels like they wanted to make us root for Stolas x Blitzo

[@AzraelSoulHunter]

@@doomfox6241 Yeah. Recontextualizes an interesting and difficult conflict into "my first fanfic on wattpad". Truly spectacular.

[@transdimensionalantics8526]

When you're in a relationship, you see a deeper side of a person. People always TRY to seem put together in public, once you know more personal things, you learn more about the person's REAL personality. You'll understand when you're older 😂

[@transdimensionalantics8526]

​@@doomfox6241literally, she hasn't changed. We just see it more now. She wasn't "ruined" 🤣🤣🤣

[@basedleafeon3221]

The irony behind the deliberate decision to write Stella like this, is how while the writers wanted to justify Stolitz in the most lazy and easy way possible, they don't realize they've also completely RUINED another character that was well written in the process... Octavia. Why? Simple. During her first appearance she is presented as a child who's life has been difficult due to living in a house where her parents don't love each other. Her depiction was pretty accurate to how a real teenager going through the same circumstances would be like, and you can understand where where she comes from. Its important to note that Octavia mentions how she misses "when her parents didn't hate each other", and how in the first flashback of her childhood, we see Stella and Stolas sharing bed, something that current Stella wouldn't do in a million years and instead would force Stolas to sleep in a dog bed. This HEAVILY implies Stella and Stolas at the very least tolerated each other, which is already a contradiction to what Season 2 is trying to make us believe. Going back to Octavia's first appearance though, whenever she interacted with her dad, she was not subtle about how much she blamed him for everything, and that's justifiable within the current context since all we knew at the time is that Stolas fucked up, it IS his fault shit went down because he had his adventure with Blitz out of a selfish act. Octavia pointing fingers at Stolas back then was something we could understand as an audience, and judging from Stola's reaction, he too knew that well. But now... Stella is a cartoony and over the top villain who turns out to have abused Stolas their whole marriage, even before he cheated. And mind you, she wasn't subtle or fake about it, she had nothing to hide at all, she blatantly shit talked Stolas and made public events that directly mocked him. So, if this is the route we wanna go... If this is the context we want to have... What the fuck Octavia? Not only would this contradict her memories directly, but also makes her actions look stupidly unfair. Why blame Stolas for everything when you have a Looney Tunes villain right there? Why say "your parents didn't use to hate each other" when apparently they did the whole time? I've seen multiple people argue that Octavia knew no better because young teens don't realize or understand how adult work, and that's understandable... But here is the thing, teens don't point fingers with such ease and blame one parent, they simply feel overwhelmed about the situation since it confuses them. Realistically speaking if we go by this logic, Octavia shouldn't be able to point fingers at anyone and blame either parent for the fall down of their household. Another argument I see is how "Stella put up a facade" or "manipulated her into believing she's good"... But as I said already, she has made it clear she doesn't give a shit, and on the contrary, she wants EVERYONE to know how much she loves tormenting Stolas, so it's impossible Octavia never caught onto this too at some point in her life. So yeah... It's insane how the writers never realized that, by writing Stella like this, they're also assassinating an already existing character too.

[@chaosdemoncat]

i feel like the show (and the fans) has an issue with exalting stolas above blame for anything. disregarding his trauma and issues, hes actually a pretty pathetic and selfish man. im no stella apologist, but i loved what her character COULD have been. bad, yes. a villain? certainly. but COMPLEX. NUANCED. now she's just another excuse in the list of many of why stolas is allowed to get away with everything bad that he does; because she hits him. thats all it comes down to. nobody is allowed to blame him for anything, just because they wrote stella to be worse. such a missed opportunity to make a genuinely compelling story about two damaged and hurt people trying to make it work for appearances, and their daughter. she's just written this way to justify and purify stolitz, which in and of itself is a really toxic (but narratively compelling!) relationship of its own, that shouldn't even be seen as good or healthy in the first place. oh well.

[@Dr.Oofers]

That’s what a lot thought about too. That she was angry about the cheating. But then they turned her into someone generic and…. oof.

[@user-pi3hd2bt3f]

​@@Dr.OofersStella was never mad Stolas cheated. She was mad he cheated WITH AN IMP. Im pretty sure she wouldn't have given a damn about his cheating if it was with someone of their rank

[@garbageenthusiasm4588]

​​@@user-pi3hd2bt3fStella only mentions him sleeping with an imp (to my knowledge) once. And even if she was only upset that it was because stolas was sleeping with an imp that still doesn't justify his actions. I wish for what could have been for this series because this kind of "every party is morally grey" isn't done often. When is a better setting for everyone in the cast to be at least a little bad then hell? I just feel this is wasted potential to give us a nuanced story instead of something many people have described as a wattpad fanfiction

[@harmonylynx252]

Like, its so weird how un apologeticaly evil Stella is, shes not fun evil shes just abusive dumb evil too. What even is there to Stella anymore? Even the badest of bad villians in literature have SOME form of humanity to them! Frollo is a monster but at the center is a manipultive god fearing man who fears gods rage but also uses gods rage against others. In Moral Orel the dad is toxic, sexist, selfish, alcoholic, delusional, but at his core is the shred of a soul, a man who hates himself who hates the person he became, who knows that he is a poison who attacks those around him (which he even states!) What does Stella have? nothing. She takes down Stolas character un my opinion. By making her 100% at fault for everythung Stolas had done, Stolas no longer is complex. Stolas no longer needs to improve his selfish actions for the good of his family.

[@ritaerror7829]

Even recent Jack Horner, guy is unreedemable monster, but at least he got his own interactions and end goal, making him interesting (and FUNNY) enough for people to like him.

[@jockdouglass3824]

@@ritaerror7829 I agree if they made Stella funny she'd be a lot more liked and less 2d

[@lightningringeopal3601]

I mean his family is full of shitty people so what’s the point?

[@tangangsta]

If she was funny and had a better less whiny voice she'd be better. Hell she doesn't need to be funny, just make her manipulative, cunning and smart.

[@phoney2627]

I've said this before in a different comment section but it feels like they have no fate in their so called mature audience and think that we wouldn't recognize an abuser without a giant neon sign pointing at her and saying "look she's bad and dumb and abusive". Glad you brought up Moral Orel because that show is fucking phenomenal and Clay is so multilayered and I hate him so much. He's the perfect example of how to explain why a bad character is that way without making any excuses (*cough* Snape *cough*)

[@garbageenthusiasm4588]

I think something that could make Stella more of a compelling character is to make her have a somewhat decent relationship with her daughter octavia. I feel like it would give Stella more depth if she showed she cared even a little for Octavia. Even the most manipulative of people can care about people. And it doesn't even have to be that Stella cares about Octavia for selfless reasons, they could still show how narcissistic Stella is by making the reason be Octavia is the person most like herself. It could also create some drama because it's clear her brother (forgot his name haha) is willing to do anything to get Stolas' money and power, even if it meant killing his niece. A scene with Stella opposing her brother over the safety of her daughter could go a long way with making her less of a two dimensional character.

[@Harleyxjokerforever]

I think it would be interesting if Stella actually tried to parent Octavia when she was a child but since Stella is a spoiled brat she had no idea how too. Stolas however is a natural parent so Octavia ends up attaching to him this lead to Stella having built up resentment. Now this; plus their force marriage, is why Stella hates Stolas.

[@sarafontanini7051]

it IS possible. at the very least we know Stella doesn't have any negative thougths towards her daughter. and there is fuel: -in episode 2 of season 2, Stolas is arguing with hr on the phone and based on his comments it seems Stella thinks he's trying to turn Octavia against her -in western energy, she doesn't give a fuck if Octavia gets Stolas' money and territority So she might still be a total dingus and also be an ass to her daughter, its possible she at least isn't as cruel towards her as to Stolas

[@Diamond1234]

Personally I'm hoping for this, like it'd be interesting for her to have some redeeming qualities like she only has beef with Stolas and that's it.

[@toadlord8594]

Honestly that would go a long way towards making Stella a better character. Even Evil has Loved Ones trope if you will.

[@ifeeldead463]

​@@Harleyxjokerforever honestly would be interesting if Stella treated her daughter more like a friend than a child, which a young Octavia wouldnt have minded, if only her mom isnt Regina George and poor Via is essentially Cady Heron. Like Stella was also looking for ways to cope with the marruage and well, tormenting Stolas and drinking could get old and well, her kid's there so at least she has someone to talk to

[@DUWANGlai_kangyi]

Tfw the most interestingly written woman in Helluva Boss is Verosika and it's probably _because_ she is a background character that the series hasn't had the opportunity to fuck up yet. (I jest a bit, Loona is definitely interesting but they need to focus more on her and stop making her so goddamn violent against Blitzø out of nowhere. S2E2 is a weird one because it gave us something interesting for her and Via while almost entirely walking back on it by having her be so violent and abusive towards her dad).

[@ethangnasher3848]

I am a simple man, I want both male and female characters to have some actual goddamn character thank you very much.

[@Brunette_2005]

Bassically life gave her horrible parents that never taught her how to deal with her emotions and she prolly got neglected too, then she was arranged for a marriage against her will and that husband she was arranged to marry ended up cheating on her. Ofc she is mad 24/7, life didn't give her anything but middle fingers

[@Olive.Orchard]

The whole situation around the change in Stella reminds me of how in shipping fandoms when there's a "canon" ship (typically male/female) but the male character is also part of a popular fanon ship (typically male/male). People who favour the fanon ship and write fanfiction about it often vilify the former (female) love interest and turn them into a bitch so it fits their narrative even if the change is entirely out of character. It's giving a - hating a character because they get in the way of their OTP - kind of feeling. Instead of getting in the way, however, Stella (and to an extent, Octavia) represents why Stolas having an affair with Blitz was not an okay thing to do, essentially marking them as homewreckers.

[@fromhell11112]

YES THATS THE VIBE

[@Decandyce]

Honestly to me it feels like now Stella is also going to be used to boost her brother as a villain, every main female character has a single male counterpart but Stella appears to have two now, it makes me fear she will become stuck or forgotten in order for Andrelphaus to be a more complex antagonist, that she could become nothing more than his pawn/puppet when she could have been so much more. And if this happens, that she is displaced for her brother´s character sake, then I ask: why introduce her in the first place?, in that what if of Stella not being in the picture: Andrelphaus and Stolas could have easily had beef from before the show, he could have revealed the relationship of Stolas and Blitzø as one step in a plan to make him suffer and take his place/belongings.

[@areyousurebo]

a few points i like to add to this amazing video -exist only to make children -is looked down on -have no power (maybe not sure ) clearly stolas can hurt her at any moment -her brother is using her to take more ( she only care about stolas been dead and nothing else and yes she ignored octavia but that's it ) -fans ignoring how mental health can go many ways ( stolas is depressed ) and she may have anger issues and stuff -octavia didn't say anything about her or is scared of her the writers failed to make me hate her tbh and hate their response on twitter

[@Brunette_2005]

They could have done a lot with Stella but decided to make her a one dimensional wattpad villain smh

[@ObamaMpreg]

-Her brother sexually harasses her (even if he's not actually attracted to her or trying to SA her it's still abusive & demeaning)

[@ifeeldead463]

​@@ObamaMpreg i think its less sexual harassment and more emotional abuse, as he said she only has her looks, everything else is useless/boring, while also threatening her in a "be lucky I can still use you" way

[@ifeeldead463]

Yeah, honestly, Stella sounds like those women in female rage scenarios where they have little to no power in the situation or the relationship but its only a matter of time before she explodes

[@white0thunderwhite0thunder71]

To me Stella from season 1 is not the same as Stella in season 2 because when you take into account the abusive bitch Stella is in season 2 episode 1 you realize that in reality she shouldn't have cared at all about Stolas cheating on her with an Imp. If anything she should've found it hilarious and something she would've been telling absolutely everybody just so she could see him hiding in a corner in shame especially if she wanted Stolas to suffer like she literally spits in his face about. Let's face it, if she was bragging to all her friends that Stolas was bad in bed while he was in literal earshot then why the hell wouldn't she brag that the only person he could satisfy in bed was a low class Imp to his entire family? And taking the point further Stella in season 2 because she wouldn't care about Stolas cheating on her beyond a conversation starter, she wouldn't send an assassin after his ass for it either making the episodes with Octavia and Striker irrelevant and practically retconned. If her greatest enjoyment in that house was making Stolas as miserable as possible then she would NOT put her favorite torture toy out of his misery no matter how "embarrassed" she was over the affair because her priority would be to pay it back ten fold. Now after he stood up to her and declared he wasn't going to be abused by her anymore THEN she would definitely be sending a hitman to make him suffer and die in a hole in the ground because THAT is what she cares about; her dominance was challenged, she was told no by someone she deemed less than her and she wasn't going to tolerate that for a single second and NOT BEFORE. I'm not the kind of person who hates an unsympathetic villain but I prefer such characters be a little deeper than a gravel road puddle and consistent with their motivations thank you very much.

[@dejmira]

Honestly what you described sounds ten times better than what they do with Stella character

[@carriehellbound1535]

That's exactly my thoughts. Stella was implied to have been abusive since the start, but something about her depiction in S2 seems off. Like, if Stella was always loud and proud about how much she hates Stolas, then why is Octavia surprised by the fact that their family is falling apart? What 16 year old doesn't realize when their parent is being mistreated? I guess we're just supposed to assume that Stella was also putting up an act for Octavia, but that doesn't seem in character with S2 Stella.

[@redpanda6497]

@@carriehellbound1535 And how can she put on act for 16 years straight? That's not possible. It doesn't make any sense.

[@redpanda6497]

^Exactly.

[@white0thunderwhite0thunder71]

@@carriehellbound1535 And season 2 Stella implied she only saw her child as the egg that came out of her so she wouldn't have to pretend to want to fuck Stolas. Octavia as a child is a character that wouldn't, COULDN'T exist in a family like this. No child would be happy or believe that that mansion was EVER a home if they know, KNOW that the parent who has been nothing but kind and caring to them was being bullied and abused by their partner in any capacity nor would they blame them for fighting back or saying they ruined their home. It makes Octavia look like a truly privileged, blind, deaf brat that wouldn't know domestic abuse if her mom threw her down a flight of stairs while laughing.

[@blitz3391]

Viv's comment on the male centered show is interesting, because it's to put in opposition with Hazbin which is "the female centered show". A bit weird, given that in Hazbin, it's mostly Alastor and Angel who are the fan favorites. HB suffers from a cruel lack of long term planning, and season 2 is a mess plot wise. It almost feels like they are doing episodes just to pad time and give the audience something nice to look at, while giving Viv and Brandon a way to dump ideas they couldn't put in HH. As interesting as Andrealphus is , we didn't need yet an other name to add to the cast. What he represents should have been carried by Stella to give her more substance. We suppose she's not completly hostile to Via, since she gets her on the week ends and Via doesn't seem to mind. Having Stella trying to play nice and caring toward her to bring her to the "dark side" of the Goesha, while trying to get her to hate on Stollas would have been quite a nice perspective. She wants to make him suffer? Don't kill him, just take away the only thing he really deeply cares about, and turn Via against him.

[@apchibidubtalia8286]

And now with the introduction of Andrelphaus, Stella as a female villain becomes now secondary to push her brother as the bigger bad. So there can't be a woman as the main antagonist to the cast because she is only doing this for a guy too, not for herself. I wouldn't have mind if she had been petty for the sake of petty. But now doing it because a guy told her to?

[@ketzexi6276]

Ayyy fellow hetalia fan Also I agree with everything you said!

[@shai17altamiranoanco77]

​ @Ketzexi ❤❤❤ im a fellow hetalian too

[@helion_ut]

I don't see how that is bad by itself? Like, you are obviously hinting at misogyny here and I think that's totally bs. The problem wasn't that "Oh no Stella isn't a strong independant woman anymore because she was manipulated" It was MUCH rather that they retconned info we got in past episodes (Octavia saying Stolas' cheating was what ruined the household when that ended up being bs because Stella was an abusive dick before that) and the fact that people were just disappointed because everyone imagined Stella to be better than what she ended up being... A petty, by nature unconditionally mean character that is also kind of dumb/unaware. We expected more when Stella was revealed to be the mastermind behind Striker's assassination, but she wasn't. A character being shown to be the big bad when in truth someone else that was manipulating them is the true big bad all along isn't a bad concept, it's great actually, but the way it was executed was just shit. This show does NOT lack strong independant woman, literally just look at all the other female chars in the show.

[@apchibidubtalia8286]

@@helion_ut It's still a shitty retcon. And it kind of does lack independent women. If you aren't counting Hazbin Hotel in this group, we got Millie who is attached to Moxxie. Octavia who is attached to Stolas. And Loona is for Blitz. What screams independence that their problems or connections isn't about them?

[@helion_ut]

@@apchibidubtalia8286 Yes, it is a shitty retcon, I said that earlier, too. And no, having a man in your life does NOT make you less independant or strong?? As a woman that is literally a misogynyst statement because that would mean every woman with a close relationship to her dad/husband is weak and dependant, which happens to be a majority of woman?? Millie is extremely strong and extremely independant. She does things on her own a lot and does not just go with everything her husband says or does, it's usually the opposite with Millie dragging them somewhere- Yes, she is a lackluster character, but that doesn't make her weak and dependant on Moxxie, hell she's not. Loona's whole point is that she doesn't depend on Blitzo, she was 17 when she was adopted and goes against pretty much everything Blitzo says and does her own thing, being very expressive about her oftentimes negative emotions and not giving a shit about what everyone else thinks. Octavia isn't weak and dependant for liking her dad either. She is not even an adult so obviously she isn't THAT independant yet, but literally just watch Seeking Stars, an episode that only happened because she was acting extremely independant. Verosica is another very independant and confident female character and side characters like Mayberry and Sally May were also both pretty decent? Mayberry had a surprisingly fleshed out story for a sode character and Sally was always shown as a confident and sassy type (In her short appearance and in merch). But god forbid one character that happened to be female got manipulated by her brother, how scandalous...

[@howdyheycowpoke]

A while ago i thought of ways to rewrite Loona. I liked the idea of the pound actually putting down Hell Hounds who are too "problematic" because of Hell's overpopulation issue. When Loona is adopted, she's grateful BUT Blitz is irresponsible and immature still. Loona is the receptionist but also cleans up every mistake Blitz makes because she cannot afford to have her only home crumble apart in front of her. She's working herself to the bone, leading her to lash out very often but she hates it - it's not her

[@howdyheycowpoke]

I also thought about her episode with Octavia under this rewrite and she'd go with Octavia when she stole the book because Loona still wants to have fun, she lost a lot of her life to the pound and being "undesirable" there. A character arc would happen with the both of them where they grow and develop a bond over their situations and Loona decides she needs to talk to Blitz about everything

[@moondivine2288]

Idk I think how loona is written is better and it makes more sense. As a kid I read a story about someone who had abandonment issues finally getting adopted and their anger and issues didn’t immediately go away. They lashed out and it took awhile for their insecurities to go away. Loona was almost 18 when she got adopted. It doesn’t make sense to have Blitzo being irresponsible and immature when he does try being a good father. At least not repeat his dad’s mistakes. The only problem I see with Loona is she isn’t used as much and I would like to see more. Though knowing her VA took time off to mourn the loss of her fiancé I guess they got a excuse for her not being as much currently

[@howdyheycowpoke]

@@moondivine2288 To each their own, however I thought about Blitz's own flaws not as him intentionally repeating his fathers mistakes but as the fact that he does tend to be immature and impulsive. Blitz is ... not the most mature and reasonable adult lol. But he still DOES care. Also Loona still has anger issues, I didn't say they went away but were approached differently in that she bottles it up and lashes out. I didn't elaborate upon how she interacts socially but it'd still be similar. Also I added more onto the dynamic between Blitz and Loona bc of Loona's speech to Octavia about Blitz making mistakes but still being a good dad, when it seems to many people that Blitz doesn't rlly make those mistakes? Its a common complaint I hear regarding that episode. /not mad at all I like talking about character development and writing

[@moondivine2288]

@@howdyheycowpoke no offense but your take is what I seen in other tv shows, especially adult cartoons. I want to see more than Loona having to clean up after her dad. Like with what I observed at times Blitzo doesn’t respect Loona’s boundaries. Like toxic positivity Blitzo just wants to shower Loona with lots of love though she’s probably has issues she hasn’t dealt with. I’m not even sure hell has a therapist because both Loona and Blitzo need it.

[@howdyheycowpoke]

@@moondivine2288 Im sure that therapy is something in the sloth ring thats just as inaccessible as a regular appointment (as Blitz implies with his vaccination appointment taking five years if I'm remembering correctly.) I do wanna point out to u though that I am HEAVILY simplifying my take 😭pls don't try and dig into a simple KZbin comment haha it's not a full blown show. Not every take is gonna satisfy everyone and I'm personally not satisfied with Loona's portrayal in the show as a trauma survivor but same way u don't like my take. To each their own as I said earlier

[@PlanetZoidstar]

The only reason Stella is written the way she is, is to justify 'Stolitz' happening. I'd be fine with her being an evil bitch - IF she wasn't given an entirely sympathetic motivation to hate Stolas. He cheated on her at least twice. It feels like the writers were going for a more morally grey situation in Season 1 - having both Stolas and Stella being selfish, self-centred royality - but then they decided to make Stolas into the victim to justify his cheating. One of the reasons I hate the writing decision to make Stella this pure evil character IS because her initial reason for hating Stolas was that he cheated on her. Before Season 2 there was NO hint that she was ever abusive or cruel to him before he cheated on her. All her Season 1 appearances are her being furious at him for cheating. Then Season 2 happened. Now she's just evil from birth and abused Stolas because she's a sadistic bitch. So now the audience can root for Stolas without him being a cheater weighing on their conscience. I hate this.

[@sparktwochristopher7240]

Wasn't the reason Stella hates Stolas is because he slept with an imp? During their arguments, it's kinda implied that sleeping with a peasant staining the family name is what Stella is pissed about.

[@PlanetZoidstar]

@@sparktwochristopher7240 I think Stella would be pissed no matter who Stolas cheated on her with. She only mention "Imp" once and emphasised the "cheating" in the 1st Striker call.

[@sparktwochristopher7240]

@@PlanetZoidstar You sure? Because Stella never even liked Stolas by the looks of it. Also the fact that she said "Hotel? Like a fucking plebian??" Also during the whole Lust thing with Asmodeus, they first pointed out "Are you sleeping with an Imp?", and there's also the thing with Striker's motivation. All this clarifies that Imps are basically the lowest class in Hell, and Stolas falling in love with one would greatly stain the Goetia Family Name, which would like up with Stella's anger and character the more you think about it. Otherwise, Andrealphus wouldn't be supporting Stella's decision to get rid of him eventually, even if delaying it until they used him enough. Who's to say the entire Goetia Family probably doesn't despise Stolas as well?

[@PlanetZoidstar]

@@sparktwochristopher7240 That still doesn't justify Stolas cheating on Stella and putting the whole family in the shit (as we see in Ozzie's, Stolas is ashamed with his affair is addressed in public "Are you sleeping with an Imp??"), not to mention the stress and anxiety this causes Octavia. If Stolas was so miserable in his marriage he should have divorced Stella the moment Octavia was hatched. Especially if Stella had been abusing him from Day 1. Stolas himself says the Goetias only wanted a Precautionary Heir and that implies they don't care if Stolas and Stella got divorced right afterwards. So Stolas remained wedded to a woman who hated and abused him and had no love for their daughter for no good reason.

[@moondivine2288]

⁠​⁠@@PlanetZoidstari think that Stolas was more ashamed that all this is going to affect his daughter than the affair being addressed in public. He only reacted when Octavia came up. I have a theory that maybe Stolas parents are divorced and he only wanted things to work out with Stella so their daughter can grow up with both parents. His dad does mention having other children that aren’t owls

[@Red-jt6uu]

Honestly, I think the dumbest thing about her writing is to make her motivation for staying married to Stolas is her enjoying his suffering. As far as we know, he has never done anything to her prior to the affair to make such feelings understandable nor does she display similar gratification towards anyone else’s suffering to make it clear that she’s just a sadist. We just know that she’s quick to anger, but that’s not the same thing. Honestly, it’d make more sense that she stayed in a loveless marriage simply because she loved the lifestyle of being married to a prince and her anger issues coupled with her short-sightedness led her to fail to recognize that killing her husband would downgrade her life.

[@xerosz.5521]

1. I'm 90% sure she said that as an explanation to why she was staying after Stolas cheated. 2. Can Stella not just be a bad person, because she is just a bad person, kinda like Jack Horner style. I'm not trying to say Stella isn't poorly written, cause she is.

[@Land_Of_Spirits]

@@xerosz.5521 While Stella _can_ just be a bad person like a lot of the cast, people tend to forget that she was also forced into an arranged marriage n shit.

[@indigokozy9251]

Well done on releasing your first video. This video actually captures my thoughts on Stella and the fan reaction to her in season 2. Vizzie either changed the context of Stella's relationship with Stollas or took a new direction with Stella's character. Either way isn't a big problem because we saw so little of Stella in season one. There was still time to establish her character. But the problem is that, since establishing her character proper, she's hasn't been fully utilised. She's arguably the main antagonist. But, as you expressed, she only exists in service to Stollas. We know she's violent, spoiled, petty, spiteful and vindictive. We learned recently that she's kind of a bimbo and lives in the shadow of the men in her life. So we have the building blocks of a character arc. But it seems like, rather than watch Stella grow into a villain role, both enduring and learning from setbacks, her brother is going to swoop in and take the main antagonist role from her. I've seen fans criticise Stella's character as shallow. Because she announced that she likes tormenting Stollas. But her motivation isn't what makes her shallow. It's her lack of development. Why is it that Striker has gotten a villain song, while she hasn't? Why don't we hear Stella's voice in the phone call in episode 2? Why did we introduce another villain in episode 3 and not use Stella? Especially, given that we now know that Stella had set-up an ambush, off-screen, during this time. Opportunities exist for Stella's character development and yet they aren't being taken; because boy drama, new characters and crude humour is getting more screen time than anything else. Anyway, good luck with the future of your channel. Hopefully this video gets seen by more people.

[@annemac]

I mean season 1 Stella’s relatable, but season 2 Stella is a different person

[@DromusTH]

Very different

[@arturosandovalsaito2704]

Stella: Doesn’t care about Stolas and likes to abuse him. Also Stella: gets pissed off learning that Stolas slept with an imp.

[@ta4770]

Wonderfully and succinctly put. At the end of the day, stories should aim to create characters. Characters who exist in their own right and explore their world in their own terms. It's just quite unnerving that the entire female cast in this show has existed to further the plots of their male colleagues. Sexism is so widespread that honestly, I don't even think Vivzie realises the overwhelming message from the subtext here is "male characters are more interesting/important than female ones" and therefore "men are just more interesting than women are. Women are useful, but only in a supportive sense". And that's a problem. It's fair criticism which should be addressed with more nuance than "this is a male-led" show. Because that's not how it works. You can explore male issues without using female characters (especially main characters!!) as a tool to further their development. Helluva boss is amazing in many ways, and has opened up many opportunities for artists, especially on youtube. But I'm tired of hearing justifications as to why, in the 2nd season of the show, 2 of the 4 main characters have not received any character development. If they're in the show, you should develop them or at least expand on them. No matter how late it was when you originally conceived of them. Great video! Have subscribed. Keep up the great work. The editing on this video is lovely too.

[@zashaniinge9453]

It's bad and sad when fans have better ideas and writing skills than creators themselves(tomas astruc moment)

[@T_E_G]

Tbh, if they wanted to use that excuse of "it's just the boys/girls" Why would they have female/male main leads in either show? If it's a male-led show, then have only male characters. Same with girls. Just to hammer in that point they love using so much It's dumb to even have that excuse- just TREAT your characters AS CHARACTERS...

[@B0BBYJ4CK]

@@zashaniinge9453 SERIOSULY, THO. I've read better ideas from fans who don't draw or write professionally. I had an idea of Stella USING Octavia to get back at Stolas. she manipulates their daughter to try and shame Stolas even further pushing him away from their family entirely. idk, I feel like Octavia and Stolas' relationships was patched too quick....and the fact that we have yet to see Via interact with her mother. .....we're in the second season, by the way. 😑

[@B0BBYJ4CK]

@@T_E_G right. if you have a MAIN CHARACTER, treat them like a MAIN CHARACTER. fuck a gender, dude. if they don't have enough personality to show off, then don't have them on-screen as much as someone who does. 🤷‍♀

[@zashaniinge9453]

@@B0BBYJ4CK *sigh from missed potential*

[@MagmaPaint]

LONG POST INCOMING Stolas was a character that was going to be a hard time to sell me from day one since he felt like he barely breaks out of being 2 dimensional (2 dimensions is his limit, he's not that deep) and 201 "The Circus" is where I came to hate him if 202 "Seeing Stars" didn't after taking that grace period. I could buy Stolas and Stella being in an arranged marriage and not being compatible but at least trying to get along well enough to bring up Octavia. I could buy Jafar as his dad (they even got Johnathan Freeman to voice him ffs) and resulting in a distant relationship. But retconning Stella to be a megabitch from the get-go, Blitz being his childhood friend and crush, and everything else 201 does to erase Stolas' flaws and artificially prop him up as the uwu baby man who did nothing wrong, none of it feels natural or logical. It's forced tripe and reeks of Wattpad yaoi fanfiction written by teen girls or adults who still act like teen girls because they have rampant unresolved mommy and daddy issues. And if anyone dares trying to bring up that the show was allegedly planned out, looking at late Season 1 and the entirety of Season 2 so far, could have fooled me. How would I do Stella's fall to villainy? One, well, Season 1 was okay with her portrayal, I'm sure I could find a fix in just that season but Season 2 is where the rot came in hard. Two, 201 needs a complete do-over, you cannot tell me with a straight face that Viv didn't write out some fanfiction of her characters and decide to make it canon. Make 201 about Stolas and Stella instead since they're pushing so hard for this twink to be a main character now. Instead of Paimon announcing the arranged marriage and showing Stolas a picture, maybe have Paimon introduce Stella as a guest of honor at the birthday party and drop the biggest revelation on Stolas that she will be his future wife. The two kids think it's a joke at first but once Paimon (and maybe Stella's parents as well) confirms it's true, the two kids awkwardly relent and try to get to know each other out of courtesy. Show them trying to interact during the party with scenes of Stolas trying to politely share his interests and Stella not really digging it (either completely neutral or a quick "that's stupid") and Stella trying to talk about royal duties or what them being married would entail and Stolas not really able to answer very well. When the party is over and Stella has to leave, the two might know they're not a good match but maybe it can change, Stolas says a proper goodbye, Stella gives a half-hearted "Bye. Thanks for inviting me I guess," end that act on Paimon giving an unsure Stolas a stiff pat on the head. Open Act 2 on the wedding where Stella is acting very tense and on the verge of evolving into a full-blown bridezilla. As the officiant is reading off the "We are gathered here today" speech during the ceremony, maybe have Stolas discreetly ask her why she's got a stick up her ass and Stella quietly snap about pressure and maintaining a proper royal image. A lot is riding on this union and they know it. Have scenes where Stolas wants to try to enjoy himself at the reception but Stella lightly elbows or swats him (keyword LIGHTLY, like a "stop being stupid" slap) to make him act proper and Stella trying so hard to stay proper in public she can't wait to be done with it. Show scenes of how the newlyweds interact through the first year where things may escalate but they still maintain some level of respect. Show Octavia hatching and growing up with a couple exchanges between them about wanting to make things work for this owlet with their own takes on how they want to raise her (Stolas as a daddy's girl and worthy successor, Stella as a proper lady in Hell's ruling class), ending the act on a shot of them leaving Loo Loo Land as the final fireworks show of the night wraps up, Octavia clearly having had the time of her life. Act 3 would open up in the present day but before Blitz came in as a homewrecker. Stolas is doing princely stuff, Octavia is studying, and Stella is doing... whatever a ruling mate does, maybe she's going around making sure the servants are doing their job, I don't know. However, Stolas would feel like he's going through the motions. We get glimpses into Octavia feeling like her dad is becoming more distant and her mom is being a bit overreaching about making sure she's trained to be a proper lady (hence Octavia adopting more emo/art goth fashion as a form of rebellion). Stolas and Stella are still trying to make things work but it's hanging by a thread. Arguments are now barely hidden and out in the open in front of Octavia, making her not want to be in their company more often than not, Stolas is bored and irritated, Stella is more aggravated than usual, it's a mess. To try to de-escalate the tension, Stolas suggests getting out of the house and Stella begrudgingly agrees, only under the condition she can spend overnight out of the palace so she doesn't have the urge to strangle him. While Stella is out, Stolas tries spending time with Octavia but it doesn't really go anywhere before she just asks for her personal space. This is where Blitz comes in, getting caught by Stolas in the study where the grimoir is kept. This scene would be kept to the point, Blitz trying to lie and smooth talk his way out of there with the book in hand, Stolas showing some interest in his hitman business, and making the offer to use the book "at a cost" (Blitz: Alright, Prince Hooker, how much am I paying out the ass? Stolas, ominously grinning: Pleasure me.) After that scene, cut to Stella being with her friends trying to have a good time but it keeps coming back around to venting about her home life and her friends suggesting a divorce and Stella maybe considering it but that'll have to wait until she gets back. Smash cut to the garden the morning after where that discussion is taking place, Stella is more calm, but still tense and trying to be professional. Have Blitz's escape from the pilot play out, Stella in shock trying to process what the hell happened with time becoming distorted and rage and betrayal building up to an eruption. Stolas wakes up expecting Blitz to be there (Stolas: Mmm, darling, what did you DO? Put me out like a light, you scoundrel.), and then, Stella ERUPTS, demanding Stolas to get his ass downstairs with answers this instant, the episode ending on Stella storming inside, toward the camera. Three, the show just needed better planning (episode 4 of Season 2 and the 12th episode overall is still WAY, WAY too early for what happened) and more screentime showing what Stella was going through. Politeness would be out the window and she could be angry, and rightfully so, though professionalism would be easier for her to run out of with Stolas. We should be seeing more of how Stella is trying to handle arrangements with Octavia during all this maybe to the point of being a conflict of interest. But ultimately to maintain Stella's villain status, it needs to be understood that she has every right to feel betrayed and humiliated, but the extent she's going to in response is too far even if Stella feels 100% justified. This also keeps Stolas' flaws intact and doesn't make it feel like we HAVE to like him by default and demand we feel sorry for an uwu soft baby man that hasn't earned it.

[@T_E_G]

The thing about the "yaoi wattpad cringe girls" was honestly accurate. With how viv portrays male pairings IS JUST THAT in itself. Representation? It's literally just sex, sex, and more sex instead of making at least ONE good impactful pairing for the community. Like.. even the merch 💀 But nah, it's treated like a joke and funny gag just for the writers to get off too, it's so gross :(

[@MagmaPaint]

@@T_E_G Not to doot my own flute here but I do have OCs that swing that way and even I don't boil them down to being horny for each other (added excuse that a few are underage high schoolers, ironic considering high schoolers are notorious for being horny creatures). Morgan isn't just a bisexual who's into goth bois and nerdy girls, he's a ghost born to a family of paranormal investigators trying to balance being a normal kid with helping track down dangerous creatures. Hazel/Butters isn't just trans, they're a latte (Cuphead logic) trying to open their own business after being inspired by the success of their childhood friend running the biggest cafe in their city.

[@redpanda6497]

This comment, this comment is just perfect.

[@D4YDR3AMER]

now im sad that this isnt the actual plot and instead we got vivziepop's lame yaoi fanfiction writing ...

[@artisticsword]

This would have been a much better take on the relationship between Stolas and Stella. A gradual deterioration of an arranged match where they were never really in love, but at least tried to get along initially and at minimum put on a decent public facade. It would also make more sense re: Octavia's take on her parents fighting in season 1, where they've been fighting for a while, but she remembers them not hating each other. I especially agree with the push to have everyone see Stolas as an uwu soft baby man. Stolas was more interesting when him cheating was a distinct character flaw, and the pairing Stolitz was better without Blitz being Stolas' childhood crush.

[@syppy7416]

while I don't necessarily mind too much what they did with Stella, it feels really weird because if she never cared about Stolas at all, why would she be pissed at him enough to hire a hitman to kill him?

[@Damuko]

if this is how they treat female characters in helluva boss then it's only fair that the male characters in hazbin hotel get the same treatment. i mean according to viv, it's female centric right? /s we all know viv just said that- i doubt characters like husk, angel and alastor will get the same treatment as stella, loona & millie. i think viv just struggles with writing female characters on their own and i'm afraid of how that will affect hazbin hotels story.

[@yassinefarah2423]

Honestly the idea of Stella not entirely being an evil bitch and Stolas not being innocent in his infidelity would've atleast confeyed an important message, that bad choices lead to bad consequences in Stolas's case his choices are dragging Octavia and to an lesser extent Blitz into it aswell as perhaps being proven dead wrong about the Goetias not caring about his marriage and affair.

[@jessicadriver1636]

I've seen fan comics handle her more better.

[@roboticartist2793]

The fans always does Vivs stuff better.

[@Corrector1]

Andrealphus's interactions with Stella have an incestuous vibe to me. And it makes me think. If they do confirm that the two had a physical relationship, then they'll probably reveal that they were still fucking even after Stella married Stolas, establishing that Stella cheated on Stolas first and further ensuring that Stella has no moral high ground over Stolas.

[@PrinceOfChange]

Quick, get the exterminatus button ready.

[@miriamemanueleforneris3701]

Somebody call the grey knights tò kill this daemons

[@cakefrosting6451]

Thank you. Exactly my feelings about how Stella has been utilised in the show and how Stolas cheating on her is still inexcusable no matter how horrible Stella is. Stella really exists to take away all of Stolas’ accountability for cheating on her. If there’s divorce in Hell, divorce her first!? And he knew how old Octavia is so why didn’t he just divorce Stella the moment Octavia was of age? Andrealphus is JUST a Marquis and Stolas is a Prince. Stolas has actually a lot more power over Stella and Andrealphus combined. Because he’s an actual royal while the other two are just the equivalent of “I happen to be rich” type of nobility. In fact Andrealphus’ position means he doesn’t even get to wear a crown.

[@Pretzel_draws]

As someone who related heavily to Octavia I was so upset when they so obviously tried to justify Stolas's actions by making Stella just completely evil. Octavia has every right to feel the way she feels. But it's so obvious that Stella was only made to justify Blitz's and Stolas's relationship and it infuriates me That were lead to sweep Octavias feelings under the rug. That's why my problem with Stolas x Blitz grows each time an episode excusing Stolas actions.

[@invadertak1001]

Glad you addressed this. Not enough fandoms talk about the sexism that maybe in whatever media it is they're a fan of.

[@Monhamd1000]

It's more like Stella isn't the same person when season 2 came out.

[@sarafontanini7051]

I mena its not like there was much to go on with ehr before. In season 1 she had thre scenes: a brief one where she told her husband to deal with their crying childand hoging the blanet, one where she was screaming at her husband for fucking an imp and finally the scene where she wasliterally ordering a hit on said husband in front of him and her daughter.

[@featherlight2652]

What I really really liked about Helluva Boss in the very beginning was Stolas being shown as morally wrong in cheating. When I first saw episode 2, and saw Octavia’s relationship with her father and the fallout of what he did, I cried. I cried because it was exactly what I went through. My father cheated on my mother and it destroyed my family for a long time. But as I got older and time passed, I came to understand more of the situation. It was a bad thing that happened, yeah, but it didn’t make my father a bad person. That’s what I saw in Stolas: a man who had fallen so far out of love, trapped in a relationship that wasn’t working anymore, and trying to find someone who could be better. What he did wasn’t right, but it didn’t make him *bad*. His conversation with Octavia and him trying to be there with her cut so deep because I thought it was something more nuanced than it turned out being. Genuinely my biggest disappointment with this series is that it fully justified Stolas cheating.

[@ch33se101]

oh my god, i just have to say that - i never really reply to comments on youtube videos, but for some reason your comment got me extremely emotional. i completely agree and you said it better than i ever could. i think it's so unfortunate that they took these extremely morally grey and complex characters that were beautifully written in such a way that so many different people could connect with them, just to throw all of that away and sacrifice it. sacrifice it for a wattpad esque ship. (with an honestly creepy power dynamic but that's a different argument altogether.) it's so disheartening that the writers decided to take the easy route and not challenge people's views on topics such as these, ruining the complexity of both stella AND stolas. as you said, the situation in season 1 was a lot more nuanced, but now in season 2, a completely different picture is painted and stolas is fully justified when cheating on stella, just to make things with 'stolitz' less complicated. it shows that they really only care about certain aspects of the show and not all aspects. also, regarding how you related to episode 2 and could mirror it with your own situation, i'm so sorry that happened to you. as i said, i have to admit to getting a little emotional while reading your comment and i'm hoping that you and all of your family are in a much happier place now. i hope you have a blessed day/night

[@featherlight2652]

@@ch33se101 Aww- thanks man

[@pawnhearts8785]

Stella doesn’t need to be sympathetic to be a great villain. Jack Horner, Palpatine, and the High Evolutionary are unsympathetic, pure evil and yet they’re fun and interesting.

[@witherslayer-7315]

Yep, and Stella simply isn't interesting in any way.

[@jockdouglass3824]

​@@witherslayer-7315 not even personality wise... she's just a screamy how boring

[@Hall003]

Yea but as of right now she is not interesting. She is just like the Fire lord in avatar but worst. The Fire lord has one character trait, he thinks that the Fire Nation is the most powerful Nation of all and that everyone else should die, it's not the best character in avatar but he does his job. In helluvaboss Stella is just boring, she hates Stolas but she also wants to be with him to make his life worst, the end. That is boring

[@kittenmitten2948]

Shes still a flat character

[@pawnhearts8785]

@@kittenmitten2948 So are Jack Horner and Palpatine and again, they’re great.

[@MrSpartan993]

Annnnnd subscribed for this. I’ve been saying this kind of thing since season 1 started and yet people like SarcasticChorus won’t shut up about how we’re all wrong for thinking or even wanting writing deeper than a puddle on the road.

[@1221-g5f]

This is a very well constructed and straight to the point video. You came here to make talk about a problem and you did it like a champ! Stella, much like all of the ladies in Helluva Boss, should be given their own substance. They should be able to live and exist without having the men be the main focus that they are there for. It’s a great pain that we lost so much potential when season two started. Season one made Stella seem like someone that Stolas had lost. A life he’d ruined for himself and his daughter. That he went and tore down his own home in a chance for love and happiness. Stella’s behavior before was a consequence for Stolas’ actions, now she’s just the course of action. Her being this way makes the whole situation worse off. It makes Octavia look foolish, Blitz looks like the ass, and Stolas is just… a good boi.

[@nicoletravis8702]

OMG, like cheating is cheating ok. stop defending a cheater. stella has the right be angry at stolas.

[@jeremyallen5974]

That doesn't give her the right to splatter his face all over the wall with a friggin shotgun over it

[@B0BBYJ4CK]

I'm very disappointed in how Stella just wants Stolas dead now. I can't be the only 1 who thought that was too over the top. what she SHOULDA did was play the "woe-is-me heartbroken wife" act to gain sympathy from her peers. 🤔 shit, she could've tried to turn their daughter against him, blaming their broken family on him entirely. we barely see Stella and Via interact, so their relationship is still unknown (which is rediculous. we should know how they feel about each other by season 2) it's just sad seeing these characters' potential be wasted. 😔

[@missmoon0184]

THANK YOU! That is fucking why I hated how the show had gone. At the beginning it was nice and then BOOM, yeah, he chearted but she's mean. So it's ok. And now we have a ship that DEFINITELY will be real at the end of the show. I hate when a ship take the role of protagonist in the story because we Know Stolas ans Blitz are going to get togheter, Considering how this had ruined other shows, lie Marco and Stars vs the force of evil, I'm really disappointed. PLUS, I am Convinced it was supposed to be different but then the trial against Amber and Jhonny Depp happened, so they just recreated the 'scene' for make the show more popular. This was such a disappointing. Especially because now Stolas is victimized and will not pay the consequences of his action because, ya know...she is abusive so its justified. Exactly as you said.

[@minacuesta]

Honestly Stella is not given enough of a description rather than like you said get being the excuse of why Stolas betrayed their marriage. I think it’s really important for the show to present the relationship between Octavia and Stella. Is there we would receive more background on both characters

[@rave5696]

completely agree, I really wish they did more with her character. She 100% would've been better if they flushed her out more. Although she doesn't have to be a sypathetic villian to be an interesting and more than 2 dimensional charcter, but it would be cool to see her reflect on her actions and see a bit of her side of the story more but still be just as cruel, although i'd loved to see either or. And also the fact while it is supposed to be a male driven show, thats not an excuse to underdevelop your female characters, it can still be male focused whilst also having interesting and complex female characters. its a shame but I hope the future female driven episodes are actually about them for once

[@ifeeldead463]

Stella couldve been a dark reflection of Stolas: someone who also grew up isolated and unloved and seeking that love but whereas Stolas soon learns from his mistakes and tries to improve, Stella never quite learned, always demanding love but never doing anything to earn it. Sure she had epiphanies but she would brush them off cuz to her, shes done nothing wrong. Maybe out of loneliness, Stolas and Stella did try to make their marriage work, tried to be a loving, fairy tale couple but where Stella didnt mind living a lie (maybe she even grew to love her image of Stolas), Stolas was suffering forcing himself to love someone who he can never romantically love but admittingly, Stolas is just as lonely and affection starved so if he has to lie to himself and hurt himself, then sure. Also, the facade isnt perfect either, Stella is pretty controlling on how she wants "Prince Charming" act and is violently possessive towards him while Stolas is aloof and impatient with Stella with a "Im trying my best not to snap at you" restraint. Then the flood gates come out since that night with Blitz and everyone's worlds come crashing down. Stella is forced to confront the lie she and Stolas made, Octavia is seeing the dirty laundry coming out and Stolas has to decide whether he should go back to living a comfortable life albeit under an oppressive lie or live freely but at the cost of everything, from his family life to his reputation to his crown But nah, lets turn a toxic albeit justiably enraged woman into a bland villain whose claqs got sanded down to the bone and whose only goal is tormenting her husband to justify cheating and absolve her unfaithful, hypocrite husband from any wrong doing.

[@wakkaseta8351]

Huh, really says a lot about today's society when swears can be thrown around casually but "Abusive" is suddenly a no-no word that would be too upsetting to actually hear.

[@ritaerror7829]

KZbin rules are specific XD

[@wakkaseta8351]

@@ritaerror7829 I've seen this go beyond youtube rules, to the point where people put in trigger warnings for the mere mention of the subject and censor the words on other social media platforms.

[@ritaerror7829]

@@wakkaseta8351 Hm...right, I think I saw some with it. Perosnally, I don't really the point, but that's probably because of apathy...but still it's weird to think that just a word make trigger someone

[@AbbiArson]

I personally think trigger warnings are dumb too BUT- it's mainly for discussion sake. It's not if someone sees the word abuse the have a fit, it's more so discussing abuse and abuse-related themes(aka abuse people might've actually gone through), though for a video covering Helluva Boss, you should kinda already know there's abuse in it so you shouldn't need a warning. Buuuut it's more so people who have abuse trauma can avoid discussions about it, not the word abusive itself. Maybe I'm misunderstanding lol but I've been on the internet too much. Censoring the words is just dumb tho cuz that takes away the point of the warning and if people are getting triggered over the warning rather than the content itself, that says a lot about them lmaoo.

[@Red-jt6uu]

What’s dumb is that even true crime channels feel compelled to censor out the word “abuse.” FFS: if someone cannot bear to even hear words like abuse, rape, or suicide, then they are probably not going to be watching that kind of content anyway. Similarly, when you are watching a show discussing a show aimed at mature audiences like Helluva Boss, you expect to hear discussions of mature topics.

[@zashaniinge9453]

Vivien is example that you can be better writer than her no matter how you dislike your writing,always be better than her

[@anjabukvic9908]

I would really prefer Stella to be an entirely good person, or a flawed one, but still trying her best and/or having some character development. Literally anything but a one-sided villain they made her to be, just to justify Stolas' cheating.

[@DarkEclipce]

Georgia Leahly deserves better for her voice acting. She kills it. I thought that maybe the two loved each other once, but grew apart and felt pressured into resentment by the marriage. The way Stolas was tripping over his words in LuluLand, it made it sound like maybe they did love each other at one point. That would have been much more compelling, and while it doesn’t have to make her sympathetic, it gives it complexity. Helluva Boss has gone downhill ngl. It was nice while it lasted I guess

[@jeremyallen5974]

They should have been setting THAT shit up as early as possible instead of wasting time introducing villains that contributed nothing to the story And while they were at it the writers should have given Moxxie's Wife and the Furry Waifu more backstory instead of treating them as afterthoughts

[@solairedude7119]

Guys don't you know, Stella was totally always abusive and hateful towards Stolas, that's why they shared a bed up until at least Octavia's a child. Poor writing

[@moondivine2288]

What does sharing a bed have to do with anything? A couple can be in abusive relationship and still share a bed. Stella would want to share a bed for appearance sake.

[@Red-jt6uu]

Appearances? Most people don’t show their guests their bedroom.

[@moondivine2288]

@@Red-jt6uu I know that most people don’t show their guests their bedroom. But you are forgetting people talk. And as rich as Stolas and Stella are if it got out they don’t share a bedroom it is an immediate, “ there is something wrong with their relationship.” Talk. I have seen this type of behavior when people gossip about other couples

[@solairedude7119]

@@moondivine2288 Except that Stella openly mocks Stolas to her high society friends according to the retcon S2 E1, so why would she care about people knowing something wrong in her relationship if they didn't sleep in the same bed? Plain and simple bad writing.

[@moondivine2288]

@@solairedude7119 except in those situations Stella has control, by mocking Stolas she is making sure he is the target not her. If you pay attention she says that Stolas is terrible in bed and it is his fault that they only have one kid. If anyone else talks that they don’t share a bed Stella doesn’t have control anymore. People will talk and blame her for them not having more kids. Rich people are supposed to have a heir and spares.

[@samlucas3243]

I want to say that I absolutely agree! I think partly that the show is at a faster pace comparing to its sister show Hazbin Hotel. I want to see a some moments seeing her in a sympathetic light and hopefully she has got some redemption arc!

[@susanroche597]

Stella was groomed into this toxic life

[@snackbasket1214]

Season 2 tried too hard to make Stella obviously talk like a baby. I can't explain why... it just sounds like that to me.

[@Magus]

Character flip of the century; I predict that if Helluva Boss runs long enough that Stella will flip from antagonist to reluctant ally to Stolas/IMP/Octavia when Andrealphas lets slip to her that he must kill her daughter in order to get what "they" (in actuality just 'he") wants. Is it out of character for her? Maybe a tad, but, there is a large difference between being too selfish to tend to a scared child while you're sleeping, giving them a distant presence of yourself for their childhood, and...just letting them get snuffed out while you watch, uncaring that the one thing that exists that proves you once existed will die before you. Andrealphas arranging for Octavia to be killed is a bridge too far, and that bridge is Stella's pathway back to reason.

[@LauraAmyWilliamsOfficial]

I love the use of the Mission Failed text from Grand Theft Auto in the thumbnail! XD

[@ghassenmraihi-kf8pf]

We heard that Vivienne will give us A Stella backstory in later seasons

[@ItIsTheLordWhoKeepsme]

Very mature video

[@shitchannel4you156]

I WANT equality between all characters.

[@wondaraptor]

Bro speating facts but I still love her, she's so bitch and stil better character than Stolas lmao imo

[@theresivy]

noctis ars goetia? where did that come from, also isnt “ars goetia” just the type of demonic royalty stolas and the other birds are?

[@sarafontanini7051]

the ars goetia is a real life catalogue of demons, with Stolas being one of them. THe show has taken the Ars Goetia name to use it refer to a specific group of demon royals in the Helluva/Hazbin universe

[@vixenmare9478]

I be honest i alway had an idea for Stella she could be a same character as Beatrice Sugarman/horseman from Bojack horseman when we first meet with Beatrice we see an abusive mother an unlikeable character but when we see her backstory we understood why is she act the way she act she is abusive yes but she was victim first and also the similarities Beatrice father was obssesed with weigth she needed to be beautyful even when she was a child she was not allow to eat icecream or pencakes only sugar on lemon slices to not gain weigth or when he burned her clothes and toys because of scarletfever and Beatrice cryed and he said "we said about crying its stupid" i dont say every series is need to about generationel trauma or need to be deep as Bojack horseman but i think some for idea for character writtimg would be good Stella is women member of a noble familx and in old times it ment "you only use for aly marrige and give heir for moble man" but i know she just a villain and not will sympatich deep character so yeah but i think maybe is abusive but maybe because she was victim forst from abusive family and she cant deal with her emotions , she was ignored amd force into marrige she didnt wanted and maybe she dint know any better i dont defent her action i had a toxic partner too but i hope she will have character development or something like that

[@majesticgothitelle1802]

I always thought Stella was a secretary bird or harpy eagle but turned out to be a swan

[@TheDevNell]

There isn't a single character in the show that isn't just utterly awful. It's hell after all. It seems naive to expect multidimentional characters in this kind of edgy "mature" comedy. Two seasons in and we never have seen Stella and Octavia interact, that's the kind of writing we're dealing with. Like an artist who can't draw hands and resorts to covering them up with sleeves and pockets.

[@sarafontanini7051]

To be fair I think Stella's not actually meant to be DUMB, per se, she's just implusive and unambitious.She wants Stolas dead cause his infedelity will reflect on her reputation (granted yes the show should probably make that more clear) and doesn't care if she gets naything out of it because she's ALREADY rich,all she wants is the satisfaction of seeing Stolas die for wronging her. I do hope she actually remains as a big bad and isn't jsut her brother's lackey, I do see them more as a duo,with andrealphus as the schemer with ambitions while stella is the one who acts upon her feelings in the moment.

[@sandserpent]

why is the word abusive censored but not bich

[@Anormalperson102]

Dang fax

[@closermercury518]

ohmagush i think ya did so well discussing stella^^

[@Barlmoro]

i read or hear at a other yt video that the reason for the way the handle the females in this show is, that vivs devidet her two shows: Hezbin Hotel fokused on the female leadrolls and Helluva Boss on the male leadrolls.

[@erinmoser-is1vp]

Seems like also new theory she possibly never paid any attention to via considering they never speak just seems like an example of a parent that says stay in ur room and do ur thing

[@gabrielelrandom6493]

I think Helluva Boss is more of a comedy show where there is not this huge arc of character even if it does have it's serious moments. This show doesn't have a story as deep as Habzin Hotel

[@myren_tdogg]

1:36 that’s honestly all I need to know bout her🤣🤣💀 enough said Prince🥱

[@johnpaulgrieve7487]

I am not worried on which Helluva Boss characters get the most push of development male or female it doesn't matter to me, I'm just interested in seeing how the show is gonna progress for the story while learning about each individual character & to see how the situations develope into some interesting scenes it is still to early to judge on what might happen in Helluva Boss & so on who knows how the next episodes might turn out yet it'll still be interesting to see how they turns out, Stella is quite the character I'd like to see more background to see why the way she is I don't like her personally but she has a unique design though I don't think is she is ruined none of them are I like how there presenting Helluva Boss's story, there's no justification for Stella being abusive to her husband & there is no justification Stolas cheating on her yet I see why he did it but still abuse & cheating are both terrible things to do, I'm very curious to see which direction Helluva Boss goes in it'll be truly something I love the show

[@HelplessPupet]

0:41 Stolas is not a king of hell. Hes a prine of hell (the ars goicea to be more specific)

[@Schnubi]

When I first saw the pilot I simply thought Stolas amd Stella were those rich people who are in a loveless relationship and don't care wether one cheats or not. I started watching this show with this weird expectation of "its set in hell, so all the characters are going to be red flags with bad behavior anyways" I was genuenly surprised when Stolas cheatinf action had "consequences", I thought "you guys are demons in hell, why would anybody care?" (Same as Crimson being against Moxies and Sharkboys relationship. Why would being gay be bad there?)

[@itmesammylawrence]

I like this video

[@tazoolnynx3947]

We never did see her soon...

[@shitchannel4you156]

AHA. NOW I KNOW WHAT YOU MEAN. SORRY. OKAY. SORRY

[@TheDeadliestDictator_666]

hello, may i use your video for translation and documentary?

[@MikePhantom]

is it really failing if the show did nothing to set anything up but time and ehadcanon rose expectations to a height it could never fulfill?

[@megashark5924]

Hey I was wondering if you’d like to do a sort of tier list collab video, if you’re interested or not that’s fine

[@closermercury518]

btw i kinda wanna hear your headcanons if you can talk about them

[@demekagamine]

Were only like halfway through. Stella hasnt been failed, we just havent got her episode yet.

[@Phoenix_is_god]

She is not getting episode sorry

[@user-rh5mx4qc2k]

I really want them to be somthing else than this. They cant hanble smart plot which have some explanation for goetia marrige hell situation. They just solve all problem by making her charactor as cheap stupid trash. But it dosent really line up with season 1.. + they do this for give stolas reason to cheating. Try to make it good things. .... But its still not. Cheating is wrong bc of how it affect around. Its still problematic behave. I just really hate this as plot abd now for moral. They still could make sympathetic storyline while treat cheating as what it is. Since they are unable to have have happy family bc of thier lack of choice of thier life.

[@BugEyes-pf4di]

It would have been cool if stella was a closeted lesbian and they could have been friends trying to hide both of these

[@whatzernamex_x]

one of the main topics about the serie is that Blitz and Stolas cannot date or stay together regardless the few times they see each other because of Stella and their marriage, so of course the fact that Stella is the "reason why" Stolas wants to divorce is pretty important and it actually makes sense, there has to be "a reason why" stolas can't technically stay with Blitz or the serie and the relationships dinamics between stolas and blitz wouldn't make sense

[@pisscow6395]

Your last point was taken straight off another KZbin with poor cover up

[@thecollector2887]

Vivziepop is still learning how to make stories and improving them, it's her first official show after all so of course she would make mistakes and fail Stella

[@saraha.1336]

Naw, they set her up as being a wife the was angry she got cheated on

[@inconsistent_consistancy1503]

What was the point in bleeping about the word abusive if you gave a trigger warning for the topics at the beginning of the video? That's like giving a heads up that there will be cusing in the video and then bleeping out all the cussing. 💀💀

[@witherslayer-7315]

Doesn't matter to the algorithm. KZbin is gonna KZbin regardless.

[@FoughtWolf25]

If you think about it, Stolas NEVER cheated. 1, he's gay and had fallen in love with Blitz at the circus at a young age. 2, he had NEVER intended to even marry her, but had to to produce an heir. Even though they've both somehow fucked up each others life, Stella and Stolas were never meant to be. Just like with the "Stolitz" situation

[@fromhell11112]

cheating is still cheating even without a emotional connection and childhood crushes doesn't really change thattt forced marriage is awful and theres more understanding of why the cheater cheated but it just is cheating by definition

[@shitchannel4you156]

I can go with stellas Child Hood mest up. But after that. I wander. Like meny capitalistm, royalism, and materialism think. It's never genderfied anymore. Everyone can be it. Just my thought. But let see. Maybe II Will take in what you saying. I use to support only poor Clas, workingclass, and down/lower mittleclass. Cant sam much about mittleclass, but can despice uper/up/top/higher mittleclass, high class, capitalistm and few higher depending what they do. I have NO comments then it comes to the royals, and hate top elites, but love those who fought for their life.

[@shitchannel4you156]

MILLIE AND LOONA ARE AWESOME. I LOVE THEM ALL. AS MUCH I LOVE BLITZO, OCTAVIA, STOLAS, AND FEW OTHERS.

[@madamplatypus313]

The series isn’t over yet…

[@Emmetlovesredvelvet13]

How on earth do people think anyone failed Stella she was meant to evil for the sake of evil that is the perfect villain if that's a fail then there's no such thing as good writing. she a privileged unapologetic princess from hell and is perfectly written as such. This video is such a face palm I can't even process it. We need more villains that are villains for the sake of evil heck media is overly saturated with redeemable or justified villains that when we get a true villain its refreshing. One of my favorite quotes summarizes my viewpoint here, "before all the motivation and spandex there was the simple villain one of his favorite things was to tie his victims to rail road tracks" red death from venture bros put it sweetly but evil used to be evil you didn't need to sympathetic or have a justified motive because your actions where what spoke for you. Stella perfectly fits that she doesn't need to be smart or sympathetic she's a bad b-i-t-c-h born from money and loves doing whatever she wants because at the end of the day it's what makes her happy. If she wants to step on an imp for looking at her too long shell make an imp puddle with glee and thats absolutely perfect.

[@1221-g5f]

Then I ask you this. Why is she put into this position of expected sympathy? Stella, and Stolas were forced into a loveless marriage. Forced to produce an heir within their teenage years. Both of them come from families that neglected them, and treated them like tools to be pawned off for their own gain. Stella's character is not built for the hate sink, or pure evil role. Because a hate sink villain has no sympathetic or redeeming qualities. They have only their qualities of corruption that have ruined them as people. Pure evil is one who develops it naturally as they live... not from childhood. That blame is upon the caregivers, not the one's receiving the care. It is harder to make a pure evil villain work in this setting and plot because of the way that it has been laid out. How am I, as an audience member, going to say that Stella is a pure evil villain with all the facts assed. Stolas' story garners sympathy from tragedy... why doesn't Stella's? In regards to circumstance, they are remarkably similar. Also... if Stella doesn't need to be powerful or strong in anyway to be a good villain... what power does she hold over Stolas? She's lesser in every way, and her beating and wounding Stolas via striker, makes him look like an idiot. Her actions, unmasked for soo many years, as its implied... never a good moment, never a HUMAN aspect to her, and you were ok with raising your daughter around that?!?! You stayed with this horrible person for 17 years because you wanted Octavia to have a normal life? Stolas what the heck? You have the power, the recourses, the tools to leave! You said it yourself!!! The Goetia family only wanted a heir! Not for you to stay together!! You have shown very little response to Stella's abuse and you're bounds stronger than her!!! This society doesn't care what the heck you do to her as long as you don't kill her. Why didn't you just leave and give her the bird? Was it possibly the fact that Stella might've been a more cooperative individual in the past, someone that you worked with to keep your little family going? Doesn't that make more sense? To fuel your denial till the very end. Because there is a fine line between a victim, and an idiot. If Stella has always been like this, as it's implied, Stolas is a slave to his own mind rather than Stella's own... she's just an opportunist.

[@lordalpharius5928]

Human compassion is an alien concept to Demons

[@1221-g5f]

Stolas, Blitzø, Moxxie, Millie, Loona, Joe, and Lin, just to name a few, have shown love and compassion to other characters, or have implied compassion based upon their roles and presence in the show. Demons in this universe are not born evil, and often exhibit positive human like traits.

[@Melantrist]

I think there's a fundamental lack of understanding about this whole situation. ALL of these characters are DEMONS - terrible, heinous entities that are mad out of malice and sin! The fact that the main characters exhibit some sort of singular drops of redemptive behavior is the exception! That is why they are the focus of the story. In that regard Stella is not secondary but even third lane character. You can not invest in every character possible and the vast majority of them are supposed to be beyond redemption of any sort.

[@sarafontanini7051]

to quote Blitzo himself: This is hell and noone cares. Why WOULD Stella care about being cheated on, in hell? A place that ahs been characterisaed as a place of Id with no filters or restraint? It was never about being cheated on. It was who Stolas chose to cheat on her WITH. Bcause royals, even in hell, have STANDARDS. And an IMP is beneath thse standards. and if a royal were to stoop so low as to sleep with an IMP, of all things, well, that reflects pporly on his wife. but that's just how is ee the situation.

[@NightMare893.]

For the reasons why the girl characters don’t get much screen time is because Helluva boss focuses on the male characters

[@1221-g5f]

Which is a completely foolish way to go about things. The gender of the characters shouldn’t matter in this manner. All of the characters should receive their proper development regardless of gender.

[@NightMare893.]

@@1221-g5f who said it mattered? Their just focusing on the male characters in helluva boss and girl characters in hazbin hotel that doesn’t mean their not going to give the other gender their just focusing on the the boys more since their more or a boy story? Idk same with hasbin hotel for the female characters

[@Brunette_2005]

@@1221-g5f It's just excuses to shove in gay wattpad ships lmfao

[@DromusTH]

@@Brunette_2005 Facts

[@publicenemy1405]

​@Nightmare-kg6bk Hazbin Hotel doesn't even really focus on the female characters lmao. Angel Dust and Alastor are far more pushed than Charlie and Vaggie. And as the other commentators stated, why should their gender matter? Its just a wimpy excuse.

[@tmg_kingmikeyt5719]

Tbf stella is meant to be a entitled, spoiled, rich girl who doesn't have development she will stay the same entitled,spoiled,rich girl bc that's her character

[@1221-g5f]

Which is a waste of her character potential. These are traits that you give to characters you never see more than once or twice.

[@Someone-hi9cm]

Stella is a prominent villian character in the series however she's just so boringly 1 dimensional "shes bad bc she is bad" is such a shit explanation for the character that is Stolas like main conflict. She doesnt need a sob story or redemption arc but more complexity.

[@shitchannel4you156]

I DONT THINK ANYTHING IS WRONG WITH MILLIE. SHE IS A GREAT LIKE A LEGENDARY FIGHTER AS MUCH SHE IS A GREAT DEFENDER AND A KIND PERSON WE LOVE. LOONA, THE AWESOME CHARACTER, FIGHT LIKE HELL, AND INDEPENDED ALL THE TIME. I LOVE IT. I'M ONLY SAD THAT SHE MOST OF THE TIME IS ANGRY. FOR ME. IS NOT BEEN A FEMALE, IS ABOUT BEEN A TEENAGER WHO GREW UP IN A FAMILY WHO MAYBE BETRAIED HER BEFORE BLITZO ADOPTED HER AND CARE FOR HER AS HIS DAUGHTER,. PERHAPS ONE DAY SHE WILL BE MORE HAPPY AS I WANT TO SEE. AND KEEP BEING A AWESOME GOTH, REBEL, FIGHT LIKE HELL AND EVERYTHING WE HOPE WE CAN ADD. BUT I WANDER. WHAT IS THE ISSUE YOU WILL POINTING AT THEN IT COMES TO THOSE MILLIE AND LOONA. EVEN IF I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU HAVE WITH STELLA.

[@Dr.Oofers]

Can you stop typing in all caps?

[@shitchannel4you156]

@@Dr.Oofers WHAT. Does it barder you?

[@Jaakei]

​​​​​@@shitchannel4you156yes it makes us don't want to read your long ass paragraph LMAO

[@zombieking3863]

I'm sorry but I don't exactly agree, I think we are going to see more female plot and stuff later on episodes, yes I am a male but I also like mlp and ovc it's a girl driven show, there's barely anything on males and just like mlp, we will see more on the opposite gender, we just have wait, and I don't think she needs be simpithedic to be a PURE EVIL villain

[@kurjaesitys]

Even if she's not sympathetic we have no clue why exactly she even cares ab him cheating ☠️.. Also even if vivzie brings more to the show ab the women, she should've done so way before this? It's season two already. And we know nothing about the female characters that's not a few words for description. Also I don't believe her at all when she's said this, she literally went on twitter to say that there is so much more to Millie only to state the most bland things ab her that any three year old could have come up with.

[@zombieking3863]

@@kurjaesitys i don't really disagree but I kinda like helluva the way it is

[@kurjaesitys]

@@zombieking3863 Oh well that's totally fine, I personally think it's wasted potential. But I like the show as well, jus disappointed 😞

[@zombieking3863]

@@kurjaesitys that's totally fine that's your opinion that I respect ❤

[@Korvinian4601]

Why should Stella should be a “pure evil” charcter

[@lashawnwilson9805]

Nope. She needs to stay mean just because she's mean. Not EVERY villain needs a redemption arc.

[@tmg_kingmikeyt5719]

Ong bc that's her whole character.

[@1221-g5f]

Villains still NEED to make sense.

[@tmg_kingmikeyt5719]

@@1221-g5f that's the point she is a spoiled bitch who doesnt make sense bc she is idiotic

[@1221-g5f]

@@tmg_kingmikeyt5719 a dumb person uses simple logic to carry out their actions. Even if they are foolish, they still use logic. It’s Helluva’s responsibility to show us what logic has driven Stella into this state.

[@lashawnwilson9805]

@@1221-g5f Logic? She's a spoiled bratty aristocratic socialite who wants her husband dead because he nearly ruined her reputation and he's not nearly as exciting as she thought. The end. She doesn't need a tragic backstory. You can TELL that woman never heard the word no.

[@transdimensionalantics8526]

Stella is SUPPOSED to be stupid and selfish. It's been her character since she was introduced. She's meant to be hated. Not every villain needs redemption, sometimes people are just horrible because they're spoiled brats. Stella is written the way she's supposed to be perceived.

[@closermercury518]

i think the problem here is that the writers of the show never bothered asking who they're writing and this causes any viewers to write for viv's story mangakarmen, sarcastic chorus, cartoon universe, im not sure if i should include matpat.. and including other small channels are equally trying to spend their time to understand the show when these people are not writers of the show

[@fromhell11112]

writing a "bad mean wife" that gets cheated on is a bad writing trope that is used too make the cheater seem like a better character, its lazy writing when in reality both charcarers should of been written has hevuiliy flawed stolas was better when he seemed more selfish, it suits him, he grew up privileged too making him this poor lovesick gay man felt like a 180 he didn't have a relisation moment, it was just "wife bad" especially since gay men do cheat on there wives very often, its a unfortunate pattern that comes from homphobia but the writers obviously never thought what kind of story that could be its just "bad mean wife" and shes not even like displaying an abusive relationships she literally only does bad wife things or try to kill him like taking the all the things and screaming all the time its so flat they boiled down one character to a shitty trope just too exist to push stolas character that is by fact, not great writing

[@michaeeeeeeeeeeeeellllll]

loving the visuals, new sub

[@CarlosEduardoBacilioSoza]

I hate helluba boss

[@snackbasket1214]

Season 2 tried too hard to make Stella obviously talk like a baby. I can't explain why... it just sounds like that to me.