How IMPORTANT are the FNAF Books - FNAF Theory

[@FTZPLTC]

Something I quite liked from MatPat back in the day was that the books are a good guide for what's *possible* in the FNAF games universe. It's less a continuity and more a hints system.

[@IDsFantasy]

Yep!

[@dmdudes2]

its almost like scott explicitly said that…

[@Cattyclysm]

It's a shame he's gotten so silly with his theories since then

[@cupofsatori]

@@Cattyclysm the more you get good at something, the less you try.

[@johnathanwoodhouse6144]

​@@cupofsatoriI think back in the day he was in charge of the research and scrip.. Now he has a group of people all co write script meaning he has less chance of control means it gets stupid... Because if you see just thee difference between ID and Johns theorys from the same info they can be wildly different... So I think he needs to trim the team and return to streamline

[@Spawnmatism]

I fully believe this is the most important video that the FNaF theorist community needs. Thanks for being so well-spoken and giving an easy-to-follow explanation!

[@IDsFantasy]

No problem!

[@-Jimini-]

Having this mindset and then interacting with some TalesGames people, it legitimately made me feel like I was going insane, so thank you

[@IDsFantasy]

Man I feel that XD Glad I could help!

[@michaelraymon111]

I didn't think you even read tales

[@Scar-Predator]

I get this.

[@adammartinez8061]

Also can we use Upcoming home to solve the lore? Because if so then we can use the book as a answer as to what after 6am. Also In The end with the whole scene of Susie going to heaven, how does this effect what we see in Happiest day.

[@anjelloproductions]

It would be such a big change up on Scott’s part having the Tales books be 100% canon to the game’s universe. I took Tales the same as the Frights books. Scott uses these books to help make connections to the game’s lore, but still has them take place in a separate universe. The way you explain your interpretations is done really well! Great articulated video!

[@IDsFantasy]

Thanks :D

[@RivkahSong]

Right? I don't know why people think that he'd suddenly switch it up with no warning. It makes far more sense to assume it's situation normal and that the books continue to be an alternate universe that's closely related to the games universe with some overlap but with plenty of cast and concepts that are unique to it. Not sure why some people need it to be either fully 1 to 1 or fully disconnected.

[@MayvaAva]

@@RivkahSongagreed, tho I will say, since a lot of the games are in universe actual games in the books canon, it would be genuinely interesting if security breach/help wanted/the dlc/etc. actually takes place in the books canon, meaning that the books would be canon to the current games, but the previous games are not, I don’t know if I buy it entirely, I’m sure there’s plenty points against it, but I do like it, you gotta admit it’s a very fun theory, can’t blame anyone for choosing to abide by it

[@RivkahSong]

@@MayvaAva I personally have no issue with people having headcanons that I don't share or that contradict Word of God or source material. I'm a shipper and fanfiction writer (not for FNAF, admittedly, but other fandoms) so I'd be a hypocrite to say you can't have your own interpretations or theories. My only issue is those people who get angry and aggressive when someone doesn't agree with them and rabidly defends their all or nothing theory. The amount of hate comments MatPat, FuhNaff, RyeToast, etc have gotten because people disagreed with their theories is unbelievable.

[@MayvaAva]

@@RivkahSong yea, “it’s just a theory” became so overdone that people forgot what that actually meant

[@kanekuroblink796]

It still amazes me how people does not undertand how the books work for the franchise. A good example is how people is treating the new FNAF4 reveals in the latest TFTPP. The books were never intented to be a 1:1 comparaison. The events on the books do not happen in the games and viceversa, but the thing that DOES happen the same in both are motivations, concepts, etc. They are 2 different puzzles but showintg the same picture FROM DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES.

[@IDsFantasy]

Yep!

[@josefernandez-n4d]

fnaf is cool

[@PlinkyTheGrand]

It is

[@DrZomboss01]

y e s

[@TrustfulNoob]

Indeed

[@mr.skeleton7780]

Yeah

[@IDsFantasy]

Heck yeah

[@RedSpade37]

Like some of us said during your FNAF Movie Trailer stream, it would be neat if the movie was in its own "space" and I feel like this particular video gives a good explanation of how that might work. Thanks, as always!

[@IDsFantasy]

Yep! No problem :D

[@flamestormthecat2833]

as someone who read all the fazbear frights and has just started on Tales (just finished Frailty a few days back, am gonna start Lally's game), as well as read The Silver eyes and half of The twisted ones (idk why i didn't finish it tbh), i always found it to be obvious that the books were connected to the games in some way, and shouldn't be disregarded as "non-informative to the games", but also shouldn't be taken as "100% canon to the games"

[@IDsFantasy]

Yep

[@paintbrushjr.8312]

I've been getting into so many debates on TalesGames stuff and I have been losing my mind, so this video is soooo welcome. It's nice having a nuanced take and direct references to evidence. Thank you for making these videos ID. Each one has been fantastic.

[@IDsFantasy]

I'm glad it could help! And thank you :D

[@PlinkyTheGrand]

I always felt like we should take the books seriously since matpat's videos on them, because I've always been able to trust his theories. (This comment is going to get all the trolls) (except that one time he said golden Freddy didn't exist, but I'm just going to skip over that little detail)

[@IDsFantasy]

Same on the thinking the books should be taken seriously

[@Rarkss]

i mean he also just misses so many details

[@heyitzmae]

you probably shouldn’t be trusting matthew’s theories atp

[@mecrusher4492]

I prefer to not blindly believe his theories (or anyones for that matter) and instead try to make my own with the knowledge from all different sources. Basically, theory kit-bashing to make better theories.

[@lordvika2526]

@@mecrusher4492 but its a theory so its not to be taken seriously, just as something that could have happened with the knowledge we currently have.

[@Grimkeeper17]

Personally i think they are equally as important to core fnaf as they're to their own timelines. Fnaf world kinda makes it seem like there are all these universes that are joined by the "fnaf world" kinda like a parralell dimension in and of itself which was inturn created by the multitude of paraleling incidents taking place across multiple universes from william and or fazbear entertainment linking them all together. 🤷‍♂️

[@IDsFantasy]

Fair! I personally view them as like, AUs that all function on the same general principles but that works too

[@Grimkeeper17]

One could make the argument that there are two game timelines 1-6, hw-sb-ruin-hw2, an 8bit telling taking place in the game timeline, a couple book timelines, fnaf world's percpective of the timeline,(potentially movie timeline) however all of them share similarities all bleeding into one another in one way or another filling in the peices of each remaining holes of each game in the series.

[@Grimkeeper17]

@@Zac-l3h Fnafception at its finest lol

[@anthonynguyen1289]

@@Zac-l3hdon’t you mean FNAF Into Madness or whatever that post Scott made back in the day around Fnaf World and Sister Location

[@lost.name636brother9]

Or just interpretable fairytales to make it for more easier to link them to the original Saint Scott is actively telling you what it actually does mean you just need to fit the pieces of what it’s trying to be in the main story. What is it representing?

[@acursedworld]

Honestly, you are definatly top 3 theorists in the entire community. You explain your theories in such a good way and the make almost entirely sense(almost because its fnaf nothing ever makes perfect sense😅)

[@IDsFantasy]

Thank you!

[@Personian]

I've personally always been a Stitchline and Talesgames believer, but it's really nice seeing other perspectives on the books, and I do love that you did mention the whole canon vs continuity thing, because that really did need to be cleared up for some people. This is how I view the books and how they should be used: Novel Trilogy: Parallel to the game timeline, with similar characters Frights: I actually have a different view on when Scott said some are connected some aren't. I do understand where you're coming from, but I do personally think he meant that some stories directly influence what happens in the games and other stories are just random stories that don't really change anything from the games, though they still are in the same continuity. I do think your viewpoint on Frights is still plausible, but we're going to have to see. I wouldn't really care if Frights was canon or not to be honest. Tales: I am 100% a Talesgames believer, and you did make a good point with layout differences. But one thing I feel like we should keep in mind is that these books were written in 2019 - 2020, really early on in SB's development history. Tales has a circle Atrium, and we know that concept art for a circular Atrium for SB does exist. As well as the fact that Tales has airlocks connecting the locations instead of elevators like there are in the games; and in the old game trailers, we can see that there are airlocks instead of elevators, matching Tales perfectly. But for everything else, I can see where you're coming from. It's always nice seeing a different perspective on things even if I may disagree with them sometimes, keep up the good work!

[@IDsFantasy]

Interesting! And thank you :D

[@adammartinez8061]

Also another thing in Fourth Closet at the end: Based on the Tombstone, Charlie died in 1983….which is about the same year the bite of 83, meaning That Charlie died before CC. Which also Aligns Midnight Motorist happening in 1983. Also if we cna It also aligns what with what Fredbear says “Don’t you remember what you saw?” It can’t be The MCI that he saw, because it happened in 1985 according to the silver eyes trilogy….. by the time that Orange Guy got to house after killing Charlotte, CC was already gone…so CC must have been left sometime before Orange Guy kills Charlotte, It’s also possible that Charlottes Death is what he saw. Also another thing, Can we use books like Coming Home to solve the lore???? Because if so then we can use the Book as an answer to What happened 6am at each night. I have a feel like one thing that’s been on my mind ever since seeing the book is the whole scene representing Susie going to heaven at the end of the book….because if we can use the book to solve the lore, how much does this effect what we see in Happiest Day? . . . Also with The Inclusion of Circus Baby’s Entertainment and Rental in Dittophobia, we conduct that Elizabeth was the first to die in the series. Also With the Nightmares revealed to be a illusion and are also Featured In UCN This time, I’m more than just a illusion. People don’t seem to be talking about this but with FNAF 4 solved, revealed to be a experiment that Afton is torturing his son with and the nightmares revealed to be a illusion. Did we just get a answer on who the one you shouldn’t have killed is?

[@CaptainRickey]

Here's the main problem with TalesGames and layout: They retconned so many design details in Ruin. If they wanted it to be more similar to the books they would've, no? Instead, they did not do that. They *chose* to display the broken down pizzaplex in a similar style to the SB one. It also still doesn't touch on the timeline which is in my opinion the most damning piece of evidence. I'll agree with you on one thing: the books were *originally* probably meant to be directly related to the games. But Steelwool took the books as ideas or inspiration instead of cold hard facts.

[@Personian]

@@CaptainRickey The events we see in Tales seems to be accurate, but ofc the Pizzaplex layout we see in Tales was retconned

[@CaptainRickey]

@@Personian Not all of them. There's a couple of inconsistencies, you should see SireSquawk's video on it. Besides the ones he names, the language in the patient 46 CDs room is all triangles. It uses almost every letter in the alphabet. Not a singular letter is resembling the "squiggles, loops, rectangles" we hear about in the books. Gameplay, sure, Steelwool probaby wanted to change some minor details to make the game flow better and reserve themselves some creative freedom. But a language on a static wall that most people are gonna skip over anyways? That's just not something that would be retconned just for the sake of giving freedom for creativity to Steelwool. That's retconning something for the sake of retconning. Unless it was never meant to be taken literally.

[@Xainos28]

I actually agree with all this, it's very common people forget that Canon doesn't equal continuity while Continuity equals canon. I tend to stay away from the books cause it just tiring people throwing the word canon around from them into the games. Some stories do help, but never out right override what the games gave us and knowing when the movie comes out, people already injecting that lore into the games as well. -_-

[@IDsFantasy]

Yep

[@loganentertainment1814]

I think we can all agree that the books have been very wild, especially with Sea Bonnies, but given to what we know now, I wouldn't be surprised to think Sea Bonnies are a euphemism for Glitchtrap taking over someones body, especially with how the story goes and even ends. With Matpats recent theory that Cassies dad is the Bully who wore the Bonnie mask in Fnaf 4, its kind of genius when you think about it. Fnaf's old story was always about the Aftons, what happened to them, and the aftermath. We never bothered to think about the people that got affected by all the tragic events. Like the parents of the missing kids, whatever happened to them after they lost their kids? In the case with the bullies in Fnaf 4, we largely believed that they were either part of the missing kids in 85, but we never knew what happened to them, so we just pushed them aside. This is similar to Mrs. Afton, as we had some idea that she existed, but with lack of evidence, we just brushed her off as if she didn't exist. The books do seem to suggest that Tales from the Pizzaplex are almost connected to where they could be based off of somewhat true events. As for the first book, where a girl gets swallowed by goo humans, could be a similar case to The Princess getting swallowed by the blob rabbit in PQ 1??? I've loved every single book that's released, and I do think people are being a little too harsh on them. Are they perfect? No Are they good to read? Yeah Can they help us understand the story to Fnaf? Sure While some people can claim Steel Wool and Scott are running out of ideas for Fnaf, I don't think that's the case. The reason why they're calling back to old Fnaf games, is probably to give clarification to the complicated story that Scott was trying to tell. Even though Fnaf has its continuity errors, it seems the current games are trying to help clear it up, and tell us that some things in the past are worth looking at, to help us understand what's happening now. Thanks ID's, you've given us another banger of a video!!!!! :D P.s. Have you seen this video yet? It's AMAZING!!!!!! kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y3uUpaR3lruLpZo

[@IDsFantasy]

Yeah, there's a lot of interesting things that sorta get glossed over in the games and things told through parallels Thank you!

[@DjDeadpig]

This might be a Hot take, but steel wool should just confirm already that burntrap is Afton or the Mimic as Scott did the same thing when people were confused over Miketrap/Wiltrap or how SB confirmed somewhat that Vanny was Vanessa.

[@IDsFantasy]

To be fair, I personally think showing that Mimic's endo is completely different from Burntrap's confirms that Burntrap is not the Mimic, and SB also kinda confirmed that Vanny isn't SB Vanessa so bpskjdf

[@DjDeadpig]

@@IDsFantasyI think so but it’s just really annoying seeing all the confusion caused by Ruin.

[@TheFazbearFamily-gj7ky]

Yeah

[@Scar-Predator]

Definitely. Steel Wool should also confirm whether Glitchtrap is actually Afton, the Mimic, or just a random AI brought to life via something like the code of Spring Bonnie traced with Afton's influence, or just a rogue AI, and his own unique thing. (The Mimic cannot be viewed as rogue AI as it was infected with Agony from Edwin, and not that it decided one day to start killing people.

[@croluka2798]

If their Plan was making Glitchtrap Mimic and if these Tales Books were really planned since 2019, then why didn’t they just make the White Tiger the Form of the Glitch? For me Glitchtrap/Burntrap are still Afton

[@Avacadoloco]

I'd just want them to make some of the books into a Goosebump-esque Netflix series. Not only would it be sick to see them on screen, but it would expose a lot of people to the books stories and the important lore bits as it seems these books are becoming more essential to understanding the current story.

[@IDsFantasy]

That would be cool!

[@Blitzy30]

I only found your channel a few days ago in my recommended feed, but your content has become a daily watch for me since I found out about this channel. I find the connections made in your content to be more thought out than some other theorists that I've watched in the past. Please, keep making content. This is great stuff.

[@IDsFantasy]

Thank you! I'm glad you like my content!

[@cravenpizzadude110]

Thank you! I’ve been skeptical of TalesGames and StitchlineGames for a while, and it’s nice to see a more well known theorist tackle the idea, because Matpat sure isn’t doing it anytime soon. And yeah, every point you make makes sense to me, and I also really like the idea that there are several FNaF universes running parallel to each other, with similar but still different stories that connect to each other. Who knows, maybe the movie will be like that, too!

[@IDsFantasy]

I'm glad I could help! And yeah, I'm guessing the movie will be its own continuity as well which would mean 5 parallel FNAF timelines lol

[@michaelraymon111]

All of this sounds dumb

[@cravenpizzadude110]

@@michaelraymon111 It’s better than them all of them being arbitrarily meshed into the same continuity.

[@michaelraymon111]

@@cravenpizzadude110 no its not. Tales games being canon makes more sense

[@cravenpizzadude110]

@@michaelraymon111 Despite everything in the games that contradicts it?

[@StillDoingStuff]

I kinda always just thought that the tales books were, like, rumors and stuff about things that happened. That’s why the events weren’t usually 1:1

[@IDsFantasy]

Valid!

[@IzaRain]

Scott himself said they were important, there should be no argument about it if the creator says it

[@IDsFantasy]

Yep. I think the issue comes with the degree of importance/relevance

[@IzaRain]

@IDsFantasy that and i think people barely take anything in this series seriously when we established Scott isn't one to do coincidences

[@adam13magic63]

"and don't get stabbed" Me who cut myself at work on the Bore bar: well shit.

[@IDsFantasy]

Oop

[@bluestrangler0447]

This is a really really good take and video on the book series. I agree that I don’t think Stitchline or Talesgame is canon and that with all the series there’s just crossover and parallels. Also I love the like smug still of your character when talking about the dates

[@IDsFantasy]

Thank you XD

[@ryguy1928]

Great video. It feels like you touched on most of the perspectives people have concerning the books, as well as some of the implications that the books being in the game continuity could have. My main problem is that I feel like people just kind of accept Talesgames and/or Stichlinegames as correct without fully considering the huge shake-ups they would have with the game continuity.

[@SkeldarkUmbras]

I blame his on staving for answers

[@IDsFantasy]

Thanks! And yeah that sums it up well

[@reena-ob6cy]

This is such a breath of fresh air,thank you for making this video,I used to be parallel believer but then swicthed to tales games believer,mostly because the "parallels" didn't feels like parallels unlike the FF and TSE,I went into this video thinking like "There's no way ID's going to convince me that the books are parallels but I'll hear her out anyways",oh how wrong I was,first of all,great explaination on how parallels in FNAF work in the first place,since I'm a newer fan who got into this franchise when SB came out just like you,I needed this,gave me an insight on how the mechanics of this world works,second,love your explaination on how even if characters are parallels,that doesn't mean they have to be in a diffirent contenuity,they can be in the same universe and still be parallels,third,if specific connections between the books amd the games are strong enough,they can easily be things that have carried over from the books to the games,this way,theories that are based upon tales games won't get debunked with this theory,and we won't have timeline issues either,this theory is the best of both worlds,tales games based theories I BELIEVE IN won't get debunked while also at the same time,we won't timeline issues anymore,and I think thats pretty neat for once And the fact that you are a newer like me who also got into this franchise when SB came out,uh,no wonder I like you as a theorists so much and agree with basically everything you say,cause we have similar thought process when it comes to FNAF,like how we both love the concept of old characters coming back even though most FNAF fans hate us for it,especially when it comes to Afton,thats why I love your "Afton's still around" theories alot,because how you are one of the only theorists who seems to even suggest this idea nowadays,especially with all the mimic stuff that came out,I swear if it wasn't for those theories,I would have thought that I was being in denial thinking about Afton still being the main villian and would properbly have to apcept the fact that the mimic is the main villian now,so I'm very grateful that you made those theories in the first place or else I would have gotten on the mimic train like the rest of the FNAF fans,so thank you very much,anyways,hope that ruin theory is going well and hope that the evidence is still strong for "Afton's still around" theory and as always Happy Theorizing:)

[@rad1165]

Yeah William could be still around I mean the princess quest arcade machine is possessed by glitchtrap burntrap William soul ghost and how why could the mimic be in the arcade machine? and the princess quest glitchtrap said in a decoded message in the arcade machine William glitchtrap I always come back IT'S ME LET ME OUT and William you may not recognize me at first but I ASSURE YOU IT'S STILL ME so William is still here also glitchtrap suit could be possessed by William soul ghost and William is burntrap glitchtrap to and mimic could be it own individual separate character also golden Freddy says it's me to William is burntrap glitchtrap there the same person entity. Anomaly entity mean Ghost to

[@IDsFantasy]

Thank you! I really appreciate your comment. I'm glad you enjoy my theorizing!

[@ignaciovega5964]

I’ve gotta say, there are many FNAF youtubers out there but out of the bunch I like the way you present info / speak the most. FNAF is pretty complicated to begin with, so I am very grateful with the way you present info in all your videos and shorts.

[@IDsFantasy]

I'm glad it works well for you!

[@ethanphi]

I'll start, *Ahem* I don't know what I was thinking, leaving my child behind, now I suffer the curse, and now I am blind

[@IDsFantasy]

With all this anger, guilt, and sadness coming to haunt me forever, I can't wait for the cliff at the end of the river.

[@TotallyNotIceOwl]

Is this revenge I'm seeking or seeking to be avenge what happen to my child I'm terrified

[@BarneyDaDino228]

Stuck in my own paradox, I wanna set myself free Maybe I should to chase and find before they'll try to stop it It won't be long before I'll become a puppet (Edit: whoever’s next has the best part)

[@LYNKZADVENTUES]

​@@BarneyDaDino228 I'm sorry my sweet baby I wish I'd been there 🎶🎶

[@Scar-Predator]

I never thought of this. You are very smart. I actually agree with you about the Mimic not being Burntrap. I believe Burntrap and Glitchtrap, are both William Afton back again because yellow (ish) rabbit and the color purple is typically associated with Afton, and it's not like Steel Wool would just ditch the games' actual main overarching villain, the one who started every tragedy in the story of Five Nights at Freddy's. Like said in the Official Character Encyclopedia on Afton's page, "It's basically all his fault."

[@IDsFantasy]

Thanks! And yep lol

[@RivkahSong]

I've been in the FNAF fandom long enough to remember people getting mad when Matpat suggested "purple guy" might be William Afton from the books. Then came Sister Location and we hear his name in the first minute. Like you said, Scott established years ago that the books are an alternate universe but that some characters/concepts/locations/plotlines would be paralleled (some closely like GGY and some loosely like the missing children's incident) in the games. Which parts we should pay attention to are just theories and guesswork until it's explicitly stated in a future game. The thing I wish more fans recognized is that other people's thoughts, feelings, theories, and headcanons don't threaten or diminish THEIRS. Way too many people get aggressive when you suggest something they don't personally agree with and it honestly stifles the creativity of the fandom as whole. I would be honestly sad if toxic fans caused you or FuhNaff to stop sharing these theories because they always so creative and well-reasoned whether I personally agree with them or not.

[@rad1165]

Yeah :(

[@IDsFantasy]

Exactly!

[@legogenius22]

Really glad you made this video despite probably knowing how the folks who belive the books are same continuity as the games could react. Also despite agreeing that a mimic of afton is certainly cool, but it as presents has too many very intentional conflicts, with the clearest being Occam's razor, the simplest solution being the most likely. When a digital rabbit man appears in a VR game and says "I always come back" and then a corpse is found still attached to a yellow rabbit animatronic where Willam afton was left to burn, it kinda seems obvious. Compounded by the tales books really not having the mimic or mimic program do anything really willy "pewpaw" afton like (other than murder, but its a horror series based on haunted animatronics, theres always gonna be a murder bot) and deliberately having the mimic present as a white tiger makes the whole point of the mimic replacing burntrap pointless. Looking foreward to see what origins or implied connections the game mimic will have going foreward, and if glitchtrap still has any presence, in either helpy (is the yellow his eyes change to close, or the same as midnight motorist man?) Or after both those under his control are lost if he looses his power and is repurposed partially into MXES to a minor degree. I'm even cool with the princess quest ending freeing vanny killing him with all that remains of him being the vanny mask. Sorry for the rant, but hope more people in the community will come to understand how the continuity conflicts aren't trying to degrade the books but try to use them in a more clean and precise way to help figure out the mysteries of the games, so nothing ends up forgotten, forever.

[@IDsFantasy]

Pretty much!

[@Scar-Predator]

I'd say Glitchtrap is still alive, to some degree as he is likely still connected to the Freddy Fazbear Virtual Experience, he only spread his influence on Vanny and Patient 46, Gregory, but we know that Glitchtrap communicated with Vanessa via technology, not direct messages in her head, so he's still in the digital world.

[@coolthing-jx5hs]

I agree I think the mimic is separate from the burnt trap it just doesn't line up with how burnt trap was in the one area below the pizzaplex but the mimic was further down locked away by a concrete wall.

[@IDsFantasy]

Also how they don't have the same parts lol

[@rad1165]

Yeah how would mimic be burntrap glitchtrap before if mimic was sealed in room and lock in the room basement behind a concrete wall to and Gregory said mimic it's been trap down here a really long time and how could Vanessa Gregory Create mxes together if Gregory said I don't really know what It is he talking about mimic and burntrap has scraptrap foot William burntrap scraptrap spring-trap all look the same all have a burnt rotting corpse and there all green and purple like glitchtrap William.

[@coolthing-jx5hs]

Exactly. the sun and moon animatronics are more similar to the mimic than the burnt trap ever was, because their models share the same teeth design as the mimic.

[@rad1165]

@@coolthing-jx5hs Yeah Also in balloon world arcade machine evil eclipse is in they have orange eyes like the mimic and eclipse sun moon are 7ft tall like mimic also balloon world evil eclipse is on the roof of the wall in ruin also mimic could be ennard circus baby to because the scooper was there and mimic got scooped you know sister location might connect to the mimic to cuz there were circus baby plushies there and mimic rips off limbs and body parts head of robot endoskeletons and maybe humans you do see destroyed endoskeleton in sun moon eclipse room and Ennard circus baby Eleanor Rips off limbs head body parts of robot and humans glitchtrap burntrap don't do that also in help wanted 2 there ballora eclipse sun moon and circus baby sister location Funtime Freddy to ect I think sister location and eclipse sun moon circus baby and Ennard Funtime Freddy ect connect with the mimic.

[@flamestormthecat2833]

@@IDsFantasy tbf, i wouldn't really use the parts arguement, as it's quite common for redesigns to happen between games. I mean, look no further then Springtrap, Scraptrap and Burntrap, all three are the exact same animatronic but have completely different designs. Also, Ruined Monty has quite a few different parts from his Secuirity breach appearence, as do Ruined Chica and Ruined Roxy (Roxy has a completely different endo face lmao). So i wouln't use design differences as evedence. That being said, i too doubt they're the same.

[@britanimations2002]

I think, we're at a point where using the books just isn't helping anymore and they're diluting the focus away from the games and information we clearly learnt in said games. When Scott said the first novel trilogy would have tie ins with the game series despite not fitting together like two pieces in a jigsaw, it was really vauge and unhelpful but I think he just used that as a springboard for cross platform character like revealing William, Charley and Henry in the books so he could use those characters in the games. Pretty sure that's as far as it goes, remember he made that statement before he had even written illusion disks and robo child, I think it's fair to say he intended those to be mostly book specific, the disks have slight wiggle room I think since they don't impact too much of the story. The Fazbear Frights ones were weird, I just ignore them completely when talking about the games because there are similarities sure but the differences contradict too many things, and though the games have become more fantastical, I'm still icky saying Fazgoo could be real in game. The quote about some stories being closely aligned with the games, some with the original novel trilogy is again very vauge but I think it just meant that some shared elements from both series, like Ella appearing in book 3, and I think Into The Pit might actually be related to the OG Novels because the dates and years do match up quite nicely. Idk what to make of Tales of the Pizzaplex, most of those stories don't even take place in the Pizzaplex. But with it sharing a name with a local in the games you'd think it would be a no brainer that it's canon, but then you realise the Mimic story we get told by the Candy man in RUIN doesn't actually line up with the one from those books. So idk at this point. Because it's so vauge how these books connect with the games I just don't think it's worth continuing to use them, at least in the way we have been. And if I hear the word "parallel" one more time I might scream

[@rad1165]

I think the lullaby was this the monster is glitchtrap burntrap William and the mother is vanny Vanessa and the son would be Gregory cuz Gregory homeless maybe she adopted him.

[@IDsFantasy]

Oop

[@NocturnalLoner]

I've been waiting for you to release a video. You've always been a voice of reason for me so it's nice to hear your thoughts. I hope to god that Burntrap and Mimic are different because from a storytelling pov, Mimic being Hellbent on copying William just seems like a lazy way to bring William back. I'd like for the Mimic to be his own villain with his own goals. Great video ID. Can't wait for the next one!

[@IDsFantasy]

Thank you :D

[@Kazantha]

I'm so happy that there's someone out there that shares the same theorizing strategies that I do when it comes to the FNAF. Thank you for explaining your methodology in how you approach coming up with theories.

[@IDsFantasy]

No problem!

[@Blessy.EXEreal]

THANK YOU! I thank you for finally pointing out the clear discrepancies with TalesGames! You and Siresquawks are some of my favorites and should definitely collab one day! I feel a lot of people (myself included) forget to remember what they’re arguing before they argue it, and then they dismiss SO many things that are clearly there and then excuse it. If one has to continuously put in a “what-if” situation as a reason for a discrepancy in a theory without much evidence to back it up, then it is up to the one making that statement to prove it correct, not the one receiving the statenent to prove it incorrect! TalesGames is a very misunderstood theory, with several holes in it, I suggest watching SireSquawks’s take on it (one if his recent videos on it), but it is far from confirmed and people shouldn’t have to be pressured to believe a theory if it takes that much logical leaps. And then they try to say that it’s confirmed when it isn’t. I thank you for genuinely standing at a position to not make such extreme statements and blindly going off of some statements! Love the content! You’ll make it far as a theorist! I love it when people use a similar amount of evidence from both the books and games to prove them as one, rather than excessively from one source and then like one or two details. You are a real one, I see you as an amazing theorist, and thank god you don’t jump so many leaps and go “I believe,” instead of “that’s it! It’s confirmed!” such a breath of fresh air! 🫡

[@IDsFantasy]

Thank you! It means a lot to hear :D

[@Scratch-BOT]

I’m just waiting for The Silver Eyes season 2 xD

[@IDsFantasy]

Fair lol

[@nightmares9751]

I was vibing the whole time love that music and i think you are completly right

[@IDsFantasy]

Nice! And thank you :D

[@bossco839]

Since you mentioned BurnTrap, here’s my take on him: The Mimic, under the form of GlitchTrap, commanded Vanny to go and rescue the remains of Afton after the fire of Pizza Sim. and to fix it. Vanny gave the remnant of the children she killed to Afton’s body to regenerate it and make it stable, then used parts from a Glamrock Endo to fix his missing parts’ like his right arm, used part of a SpringTrap suit (maybe one from the FunTime Survive from FNaF AR) and some metal scraps to hold everything together. Then The Mimic would have possessed this newly re-built body as the ultimate way to mimic Afton: by literally becoming him That’s also why BurnTrap needs to stay in the charging station, because it’s weak and needs energy. In the Princess Quest ending, we kill GlitchTrap before it can posses and become BurnTrap, forcing The Mimic to go to his base form as we see in Ruin. In the BurnTrap ending, Gregory goes down to Freddy Fazbear’s Pizza Place, where GlitchTrap is forced to prematurely posses BurnTrap, and this is why it i s so weak during the Boss Fight. All of this is backed up by the fact that that BurnTrap’s design has a lot in common with SpringBonnie’s and SpringTrap’s, like the ribbed cage, the ears, and BurnTrap has some springloack mechanism on his arm and has flesh positioned in the same place as SpringTrap (in the center of its body. I recommend Sire Squawks’ two videos comparing BurnTrap’s, SpringTrap’s SpringBonnie’s and many others design and models relative to this conversation. First Video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mXuWq5d9Ys6Upa8 Second Video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/j5Tbg3RvrdWspNU TL;DR BurnTrap is Afton’s body fixed and possessed by The Mimic. This can be a cool headcanon that explains why The Mimic goes from being a bare endo in the TFTPP epilogues to BurnTrap stuck in the charging station at the end of SB to again a bare endo in Ruin. SPOILER FOR B-7 2 And for those who believe KellyTrap, in the epilogue for B-7 2, The Mimic takes Kelly’s body off itself

[@IDsFantasy]

Interesting

[@bossco839]

@@IDsFantasy thank you!

[@Cr9mson]

The problem is people dont want to infer, they want the books to tell them literally by being told exactly how it happens / would happen in the game Its clear that the story is taking like an “alternate universe” approach where two characters are the “same” but live two different lives and they will always have a constant like michael will always be betrayed or William will always die in a spring lock suit but how they get there is different

[@IDsFantasy]

Yep

[@Gaeilge.]

I say they're connected sometimes or just parallel like the tales books explaining some parts of the games are a parallel of the pizzaplex but its scott trying to explain some shit

[@IDsFantasy]

Nice :D

[@firewings9954]

Most fans say the books aren't canon, when the silver eyes is literally where we got the name "Charlie/Charlotte Emily"

[@IDsFantasy]

Yeah lol

[@anhurtorrez]

I was under the impression that both the books and the games are cannon but are different worlds. Where they share a similar fate. As for Tales from the Pizza, and Fazzbear Freights some of the story's are from the Game, while others are from another place that share similar fate, like the story about Suzy takes place in the Game world, while the story about the dancing Balora glasses is from another world, or the girl that gets stuck in a virtual world.

[@IDsFantasy]

I wouldn't say takes place in the game world. It would still be in the books since Susie in that story has brown hair unlike game Susie. However similar things could happen in the games

[@zeroknight1311]

When it comes to the series, multiple timelines makes sense. Since those timelines can share certain aspectes between them. And yet there are some stuff we don't have a definate answer to. The actions Henry took in the two continuities can be seen as different. But we don't exactly know what he did between Charlie's death and the events of Pizzeria Simulator. So it could have been possible for him to try and remake his daughter via robots. However, there's nothing in the Games that would imply this. Gregory being a robot.... Yeah this is something that everyone dislikes. I mean seriously, Matpat's theory about this was insane. But at the same time, with animatronics able to be human in terms of personality and feeling... It seems likely even if I don't want to accept it. The Mimic is something that everyone is still trying to figure out. Especially with its significance in the timeline. But personally, I feel like that it and the costumes you can find in Ruin implies that its from at least the mid to late 1970s. Since despite how Mat says that the location its in is Circus Baby's, I believe that its' William's first resturant. After all, a resturant with no theme what so ever and various costumes makes sense. Especially with how the history of Chuck E Cheese was used as inspiration for the series in some way.

[@rad1165]

Yeah Gregory could be a robot cuz Freddie said when he had Roxanne eyes you look different to Gregory and Gregory hesitated to say his name why would he hesitate to say his own name and the mimics said the exact same thing to Cassie I'm Gregory mimic think there Gregory to also Gregory is homeless ? and Cassie has a dad Bonnie mask bully could have adopted her Also it looks like Gregory has orange eyes like mimic but there Brown also if mimic ai robot was glitchtrap burntrap they would think there vanny Vanessa cuz mimic think there Gregory I think William is burntrap glitchtrap and if Gregory was a robot different animatronic endoskeleton or if mimic was Gregory they would think that there vanny Vanessa to?

[@IDsFantasy]

Nice

[@Spankus]

absolutely love this video with a passion, seeing someone explain what I've thought about the books so thoroughly and skillfully is such a breath of fresh air. Absolutely amazing work once again

[@IDsFantasy]

Thank you! I'm glad you like it

[@Gaterman]

Thank god someone has finally said it, it's hard to have a discussion with people when they believe the word canon alone on the books means they are a 1:1 to the games even when that's just not true. I wish some of the other theorists took this approach and actually brought up the difference between canon and continuity and how the books have factual errors. MatPat and many others haven't really explained their reasoning, they just say the books aren't connected which is part of why everyone's going off. I wish this video gets a ton of views so more people understand but since he is so big I think if MatPat said the same thing you just did that it would clear up a ton of confusion for people quicker and help get rid of some of the hate. BTW I agree with you that Burntrap and the Mimic are separate, when I heard some people saying Burntrap never existed I about lost my mind.

[@IDsFantasy]

🤝

[@Gaterman]

@@IDsFantasyThanks!

[@monsieurlefrog8706]

i still believe in talesgames because i just think narratively having this big story of the pizzaplex as it evolves over time is just really cool, i also think bobbiedots was made specifically to connect to the games to show that it is canon, as far as i know there is no reason that story needs to take place in the SB pizzaplex other than to clarify that. the timeline stuff is really hard however and you made some good points regarding edwins backstory

[@IDsFantasy]

Fair

[@SkeleVeR]

I'm sure that if you ever do a video about the entire story of FNAF you would make a masterpiece

[@IDsFantasy]

I've got some plans :D

[@britanimations2002]

Please make a video about Mimic not being Afton because that's a discussion I can really get behind. Idk why people think they're the same tbh.

[@rad1165]

Yeah I think William is burntrap glitchtrap and possessed the blob to and mimic is it own separate individual character to me William burntrap glitchtrap differences between the mimic and FNAF likes to trick us to also wait wasn't Cassidy supposed to be the princess in princess quest arcade game cuz she yellow like golden Freddy Cassidy and William is glitchtrap burntrap and William burntrap glitchtrap possessed the princess quest arcade machine how and why would the mimic do that and why would Cassidy be mad at the mimic if it's burntrap glitchtrap it William cuz immortal remnants souls could be keeping William alive and Cassidy to also Cassidy Could possessed the blob to security Breach was built over FNAF locations FNAF 6 scraptrap William and Freddy Fazbear's pizza place ect and the blob is possessed by multiple souls ghosts of past souls ghosts chica ect and new souls Ghosts also burntrap glitchtrap William may not exist but I don't think they're gone that easily also there's a sword in the princess quest arcade machine and there's a glitch trap Shadow on the wall next to it I think?? I think mimic is it own separate individual character also why would burntrap glitchtrap William have to learn to be evil villain mimic copy it william bunrtrap glitchtrap we're already evil villain before the mimic was ever introduced and in the book the mimic learned the violent behavior from Edwin ?? So William glitchtrap burntrap learn to be a violet evil villain like the mimic? Also mimic has white teeth like eclipse circus baby and in balloon world evil eclipse has orange eyes like mimic and then ruin evil eclipse was on the roof wall also eclipse is the same height of mimic also William burntrap have yellow rotting burnt teeth? Also I just want to say that and help wanted one William glitchtrap is interacting with the player and waving at them but the mimic would have to learn copy that behavior of someone and we don't know if the mimic seen William or not glitchtrap burn trap William came out before the mimic was never introduced it was only after the first security breach and help wanted one that the mimic was introduced in the books and Ruin?

[@IDsFantasy]

I plan to eventually. It might be a bit cuz I have some stuff planned but yeah, I don't get why people think there the same either lol

[@Carpe_Noctum20]

Honestly, I think the minor changes you listed in the tales books - such as the shape of the pizzaplex, the mr hippo magnets, etc etc, were what was meant to show that the tales from the pizzaplex is a different continuity than the games - considering we don’t have Scott interacting with the community as much, nor a representative from Steel Wool doing so, I think those changes are either just A) The Authors getting it wrong due to not having all the knowledge, or B) To Essentially confirm, albeit super subtly, that the tales books are separate and not 100% true to the games. Might have some similarities obvs - I think no one can deny that, but who knows, maybe a future book will basically prove us all wrong at this rate lmao.

[@IDsFantasy]

Guess we'll see XD

[@saturnknite]

i've always seen the books as a fancy way to explain how some things we see in the games work, look at the hollo discs, they appeared in the books before the games, and since we knew how they worked because of the books, it made sense when we see them in sister location.

[@IDsFantasy]

Yeah

[@crimson_soul71]

I don't think the games wouldn't make any sense if it weren't for the books though. If the silver eyes trilogy didn't exist we wouldn't have any idea what is going on with security breach, ruin and maybe help wanted 2.

[@IDsFantasy]

I think they'd make sense, it would just be a lot less clear and Scott probably would have had to find ways to put more info into the games themselves

[@efrataefrata619]

I agree 👍

[@bvdf84]

I have to say caught in a loop is literally the best background music ever i love your editing decisions

[@IDsFantasy]

It's such a good song. Thank you XD

[@johanstenfelt1206]

Hm, interesting, fair and valid points and opinions, I think this is about right, one can’t just assume one or the other with these things, just gotta pick and choose and see what happens. I wonder how this will develop?

[@IDsFantasy]

Yep!

[@gabriellockwood2780]

This is how I've ALWAYS viewed the Relationship between the games and books: The games are all 100% Canon to the Universe, but the timeline is slightly different than the books. The novel trilogy is meant to fill in for the gap between FNaF 1 and FNaF 3 (The 30 year gap), in a different "timeline". [The novels is where we got 1985 = MCI.] The first run of "FazBear Frights" is loose canon between the universes of game AND books. It expands the universe and helps explain certain rules within the FNaF universe. FazBear Frights (Run 2)/"Tales From The PizzaPlex" is like 50% canon to the games. Scott said they were directed related/connected to the games--but there ARE certain differences. The biggest difference between the timelines I noticed seems to be when FazBear Entertainment buys out William & Henry's restaurant.

[@IDsFantasy]

Yep

[@Thechannelthatexistsforcontent]

Fun fact: it would take you five days and FIVE NIGHTS to get through all of fnaf

[@IDsFantasy]

XD

[@TheUnknownAK]

I think no matter how similar some of the stories in the books are to events in the games, the books are in completely separate continuities/timelines from the games themselves. The vast majority of the books are clearly intended to basically be metaphors/parallels for events from the games as a way to add more elaborate on but also not specifically answer mysteries from the games themselves. However, some aspects are very literally copied into the games such as Henry, William Afton being used as the killer's name, Charlie being the puppet, the mimic, etc. These are just straight parallels and aren't coy metaphors for things like other stories in the books are. Regardless the only things actually CANON are the events we see in the games themselves, they might copy paste elements from the books but the only things we can take as 100% true are game events

[@IDsFantasy]

Yep

[@MEGATHEWOLF]

This is an amazing video. I always love watching your videos. I think you are one of the best FNAF theorist out there keep up the great work.

[@IDsFantasy]

Thank you! I appreciate it :D

[@MEGATHEWOLF]

@@IDsFantasy You’re welcome

[@Jynx.And.Astraea]

Thank you so much for this video. I'm relatively new to the world of the franchise and wasn't sure whether to look into the books because of being confused over canon vs continuity, and how connected the books are to the world of the games. That, and the sheer number of books that have been released up to this point lol.

[@IDsFantasy]

Fair XD Glad this video helped!

[@finnguy1549]

Tales from the pizzaplex are the best thing in the entire fnaf franchise in my opinion!

[@redguy275]

(English is not my first language srry if there are mistakes) Apparently in the Dittophobia story, the funtime animatronics are still in the underground bunker in 1993, people are saying this confirms fnaf sl takes place after fnaf 1, i always hated the idea that sl takes place after fnaf 1 or 2, to me it had to be be in the 85-87 date, what do you think abt this ? I'm from Brazil and your theories are amazing !

[@IDsFantasy]

People say it confirms that, but that's why I pointed out how in Tales, the dates and timelines given wouldn't work with the games, so the same should be applied to Dittophobia. Additionally, in Dittophobia, Foxy is described as having black eyes, which Funtime Foxy doesn't have, and the Funtimes are inactive unlike they are in Sister Location. My guess is that means Sister Location actually happened before Dittophobia takes place. Thank you!

[@WWFanatic0]

Scott's sentence about the characters and plots is like a prime example of an SAT writing question. He most likely meant to be interpreted as you described, but his use of commas makes it ambiguous at best, and the opposite of that at worst. The phrase "each containing...plot lines" is an appositive phrase. It gives additional information but isn't necessary to identify the preceding noun (books). The sentence "The series will launch with five books, some connected directly to the games, and some not." is a perfectly fine sentence which implies that the sentence was intended as such, but was given the extra appositive phrase "each containing...plot lines" for additional, but not essential, information. This would have the almost certainly unintended consequence of the *books* not their elements being what is either connected or not. The only way for that to be consistent is if some books have no direct connections to the games which I think is impossible given they all had an epilogue which had clear connections to the games. As an SAT tutor, I highly recommend Scott invent a time machine and go back to restructure that sentence to clarify its meaning. I hope that wasn't too complicated or convoluted, although for FNAF fans that's nothing new. This is what happens when you get slightly old and a job that involves teaching proper writing and grammar. Don't do it kids; stick with math instead.

[@IDsFantasy]

XD

[@fredbeardelamater]

Tbh, when it comes to Tales, I think most people are just wanting to find any reason to stop theories in their tracks by making a final decision without any real confirmation. I also agree that Burntrap CANNOT be Mimic, there are so many reasons that doesn’t work and there’s so many other reasons why Burntrap can’t be just not canon… I have a theory I uploaded, getting ok views by my standards (low asf) but I’m curious what you’d think of it… here’s the hook, I think every SB ending is canon… I could also just explain it here in comments, either way is fine, my video just explains it better but… I get it, can’t trust someone asking for a view lmao Anyways, that went on a tangent, I don’t think it’s possible for Burntrap and Mimic to be the same

[@IDsFantasy]

Valid honestly

[@FrostyBR_]

I’ve only recently started watching your channel, but you’re an amazing KZbinr. One of by biggest goals is to start making FNaF video essays and you’re a huge inspiration!

[@IDsFantasy]

Thank you! Best of luck :D

[@IronVigilante451]

Thank you for bringing this up. Additional point: Henry started out as a book character, then was shown in pizza sim, with silver eyes not being canon in the games. So just because the mimic was first seen in the books, it doesnt mean that the books are canon!

[@IDsFantasy]

Yep!

[@SkeldarkUmbras]

That's a valid point, especially with both henry endings being different.

[@soomi5667]

Exactly this omg.

[@Argalia1st]

Tales from the pizzaplex most like canon though? So we're gonna ignore all the points that could make it canon?

[@RivkahSong]

@@Argalia1st The entire point of this video was that it's not an all or nothing situation. You don't HAVE to ignore anything. From the very beginning of the books Scott said that while the books are their own universe some things (characters, situations, concepts, etc) are a reflection of game canon. So you can acknowledge that some details are clearly not canon between the book pizzaplex and the games (like the shape of the building or the character Charlie) while pointing to other aspects as being near perfect reflections (like Gregory is GGY). Even if there do turn out to be more book/game reflections in the Tales books that still doesn't make them 1 to 1 recreations.

[@arcadi4l]

First time finding this channel, and I definitely love the way you present the points and actually go in depth on what you're saying rather than just glancing over it to further a point which is immediately countered in the next sentence

[@IDsFantasy]

Thank you! I'm glad you like it :D

[@Idk_anymore_1234]

Thank you so much for the video, you just perfectly described my thoughts on books

[@IDsFantasy]

No problem! I'm glad the video works well for you :D

[@sev1120]

I've always viewed the books as a "their information can be used so long as it doesn't contradict what's said and what happens in the games"

[@IDsFantasy]

It's a good way to go about it

[@skreeran]

It's worth noting that what seems to be Eleanor's signature heart-shaped pendant shows up in the very first Tales book, seemingly connecting the Frights and Tales continuities. Another frustrating aspect I wanted to bring up is that in certain Frights stories, like Out of Stock and The Scoop, the games exist in-universe, which lines up with what we know from Help Wanted (the game and the Tales story both, in fact), and just makes things even more confusing.

[@IDsFantasy]

It's very interesting

[@RyanCharles2001]

Love the videos you’re bringing out, always been wondering what is the background song you’ve been using in your videos? Fits it very well.

[@IDsFantasy]

Thank you! The main song you're probably referring to is called Last Breath, from Ultimate Custom Night :D

[@RyanCharles2001]

@@IDsFantasy Thank you for the reply, been looking for other comments that maybe asking the same question but to no avail there was none, better to ask than never I suppose. Always good to see content creators reply to nearly every comment, other people should take note from you.

[@YellowSkarmory]

Great video! :) Yeah... we need to respect eachother more in this community. I've had multiple debates trying to defend not being TalesGames and hooo boy that can get a lot of people trying to convince you. At this point, I honestly just think TalesGames vs. not TalesGames isn't particularly relevant - the events that happened in the past can happen in the games continuity or not, I'm on the not side for at least a decent bit of it, but it doesn't really matter since the only real crossover we have is with Mimic, who has no definitive backstory in the games so it's not necessarily the same as its backstory in Tales. Other stories such as GGY and one of the upcoming ones don't connect to events in the games, even if they do line up near-perfectly with a character or such. Does it matter if they're canon to the games or not? Not much. The Tales books are important and tell us things, the things we're told are important, not necessarily the connections (especially the ones that break the timeline). Aaaaand that ended up being a rant. I probably didn't explain my thought process very well, but whatever.

[@IDsFantasy]

Thanks! Valid lol

[@miniespeon158]

RyeToast was JUST asking about this in his videos and podcast. Someone send him this way!!

[@IDsFantasy]

He was? Huh. Nice lol

[@craftingranger7552]

My only issue with the books is that while yes they do a great job at showing new perspectives to help us solve the games canon, it's annoying that they are all hidden behind pay walls which is understandable it can make keeping up with this franchise difficult and expensive

[@IDsFantasy]

That's why I check them out from the library lol

[@craftingranger7552]

@@IDsFantasy 🤣🤣🤣 I just wait for the leaks lol

[@DarkShadic9632]

God, I’ve been putting off this video for so long out of fear of what you’d say, _and hearing you say (or at least heavily, HEAVILY imply) that Edwin Murray carries over whether or not Tales is 100% canon is such a relief._ The one thing I’ve really not liked about a lot of big theorist channels’ theories nowadays is how they act like thematic parallels do not exist, and no matter how much I love them, _it does bug me a good bit._ This video is just… refreshing. THIS IS THE CONTENT I SUBSCRIBED FOR. Keep up the good work, ID.

[@evefroggo4755]

Whether or not they’re canon it makes me sad that they’re cast out so much. I think I’m one of very few people that has actually gone and made timelines for Fazbear Frights and Tales from the Pizzaplex. Genuinely more fun than the game timeline lol

[@IDsFantasy]

They're pretty cool!

[@soomi5667]

I think other people who read the books have created timelines for them as well. For example fnaftuber Ozone, I think has created somewhat of a timeline of tales while books were coming out. I think even in his discord server, ppl in there do the same and make maps exclusive to the pizzaplex/pizzaplexs(?) in the books. So they’re out there. :D Would be interested to hear your timeline though ngl.

[@phantom5757]

I find it funny how people were complaining about Matpat using the books back during the sister location era to try and solve the lore only for the community to do a complete 180 now saying that the books and the games are in the same timeline. That aside this was a great video and your take on Tales not being canon is so liberating. I feel as though I’ve been going insane just looking through twitter and seeing people say that Tales is canon and deflect points away from your valid points on why the theory has many problems in the actual game continuity.

[@IDsFantasy]

Yeah, it's pretty wild lol Oh that is a big mood. I'm glad it helped!

[@JamesP7]

It’s obviously because the older books weren’t the same continuity to the games while the Tales books blatantly are, lol.

[@mask-mimic]

I’m unsure if the Burntrap is even canon anymore due to the drawings possibly debunking endings.

[@Cake2019_6]

He probably is Canon, if Gregory would have decided to do other things in the events of Security Breach, it's the same with the Private Room in Fnaf Sister Location. Mike didn't went there yet it still exists and that's what many people Forget when they say Burntrap isn't Canon, also there is a possibility that Gregory saw Burntrap since his Bagpack is before the Concrete wall from the Mimic meaning he either went down in the sinkhole or it just happened to be there and we need to wait for an stupid explanation in an future game or any other Fnaf media

[@IDsFantasy]

I think he still exists and that the SB endings are what would have happened if certain paths were taken

[@rad1165]

Yeah cuz in the Gregory comic the blobs eyes are purple like burntrap glitchtrap William and in ruin On The blob face has a little bit of purple and yellow their Cassidy golden Freddy William glitchtrap burntrap possessed the blob to also the blob has changed it's not angry anymore it's calm also the blob doesn't have red eyes anymore from the first security breach in ruin The blob has black eyes also blob is possessed by multiple souls of past Ghosts and new Ghosts souls blob is like immortal remnants souls blob alagalmamtion make William more immortal powerful and he could control blob to like he did galmrock Freddy when glitchtrap burntrap William touch the computer screen and possessed control GlamRock Freddy body and Freddy eyes turn purple like burntrap glitchtrap William I think William glitchtrap burntrap possessed blob alagalmamtion with immortal remnants souls and if burntrap is not canon ending then mimic can't be glitchtrap Burntrap it William.

[@aaniad367]

ahh I literally love your videos like you are always so eloquent with your way of describing the story and are always asking like lowkey hard-hitting questions!! Icon behavior

[@IDsFantasy]

Thank you!

[@FallenSanityWrites]

So, I've never actually read any of the fnaf books (terrible, I know), but I have seen lots of theories and analysis on them, and something that I've noticed is that they all share common themes, names, places, events, etc. So while it may only seem like they are just stories Scott pulls out of thin air to confuse the audience sometimes, I actually agree with the theory that the books are showing us different realities and timelines separate from the games. Because let's be real, Scott has a big brain, and as a writer, I too understand the need to let all the possibilities fly out of my head and into books lol

[@IDsFantasy]

Yeah XD

[@sam177007]

I think the books are in the same line as Help wanted, or that certain indie game developer making games based on the events at Fazbear’s. Someone made these books to stir up hype and mystery for a new opening. Appeal to kids and adults alike. Kinda sounds like what’s happening in real life with the books.

[@IDsFantasy]

Fair!

[@Ryan-vi5mz]

I love how engaged you are with your fans ❤

[@IDsFantasy]

[@TheReturner181]

This video was beautiful and interesting. I am wondering if you will make a video about the mimic and Burn Trap in the near future or will you wait until the last book of Tales comes out

[@IDsFantasy]

Thanks! And I plan to, but it might be a while since I have to get around to a few other things first

[@cutiepawtutie]

For me, I typically consider there to also be 4 categories of books: Silver Eyes Trilogy Fazbear Frights Tales from the Pizzaplex Misc (Informational and the outliers you had mentioned) Also wouldn't the Security Logbook be considered informational since it heavily helped us find Cassidy's name, and tried helping us solve FNaF 4?

[@IDsFantasy]

I consider the Logbook it's own thing. Informational is stuff like The Character Encyclopedia and The Ultimate Guide. The Logbook is essentially an in universe thing Mike actually had

[@captaincyoomin]

Being a fan of FNAF and juggling all these continuities has been great practice for my own writing! I've also learned a lot from the series about how much complexity is good for a story and when it starts to be too much

[@IDsFantasy]

Nice!

[@jackwood6234]

Thank you. I feel you covered a lot of things that I think people miss in the community. People are so quick to jump on the Talesgames bandwagon that they end up harassing other people and not listening when people bring up other ideas.

[@IDsFantasy]

No problem! And yeah, I agree

[@munchfamilie322]

Tysm for telling that becaus i did not know what sould i think about the books because i read some of them and i always wanted to know if it is important for the story

[@IDsFantasy]

Glad I could help!

[@Luigiandfriend]

Hi ID I just wanted to say that sometimes I don’t use the books for how many people will Interpret them in the wrong way so I do agree with you about how the books may help fill in the gap in the game like Henry and Charlie but sometimes they are kinda useless like the mimic is burntrap but you can use the books if you want I just wanted to give out my thoughts why I wouldn’t use the books that much

[@IDsFantasy]

Nice

[@TheFlinchyDinosaur]

Ive actually been working on a theory video thst briefly touches on tales/games because just like with stitchline/games and scotts post about silver eyes, people seem to have a really hard time understanding the word choice

[@IDsFantasy]

Fair lol

[@michaelross2020]

I'm curious I.D., if you can answer, how is it do you think that you have one of the clearest, in my opinion, most logical and thought out theories? What do you attribute to you having such a seemingly, from outside looking in, solid grasp of the lore? I remember you've said multiple times you binged the lore for months but other theorists have been at this for years and yet like I said, your theories stand out to me as most logical without any leaps in said logic that I can think of. So if you can answer, what do you attribute as the reason you're able to theory craft so successfully?

[@IDsFantasy]

I think there are a couple things, but I'd say one of the most important things is making sure that you account for every detail and not assume retcons.

[@michaelross2020]

@@IDsFantasy ok cool! Thanks for the reply!

[@nicktara9812]

Scott pulling a, "Well, yes, but actually, no" But I think it's cool that the books are there to help out with the lore in their own way while also entertaining us with the stories in them. You'd also notice a theme around the stories which may or may not be implying something to the lore but even if it doesn't, it's nice details like those that reminds us to pay attention or just enjoy it if you want

[@IDsFantasy]

Exactly!

[@masen0593]

Everyones favourite theorist is at it again!

[@IDsFantasy]

:D

[@Zantorm]

I'm glad you made a video about the books. You made some pretty solid points!

[@dylanhudec979]

Unlike most Fnaf KZbinrs she’s like the only FNAF KZbinr that actually makes good theories, and if I’m being honest she’s kind of smarter than Matt pat

[@IDsFantasy]

Thanks :D

[@skylerwarren7300]

For the parallels characters in the same story, just take a look at Naruto, that boy has at least 4 characters that parallel him

[@IDsFantasy]

Fair XD

[@kubaxterg9994]

Thank you very much for making this video, there is so mamy people that think books are 1:1 to the game story. Im do glad you explained that very well

[@IDsFantasy]

No problem! Thank you for watching!

[@dylanhudec979]

By the way when are you going to make another video explaining why William Afton/Appleton is indeed burntrap and glitchtrap?

[@IDsFantasy]

My previous video on Burntrap still mostly holds up, but my most recent short and the one I'm releasing soon will be touching on Glitchtrap and Burntrap respectively :D

[@StoryTeller796]

I kind of want to make a representative artistic model of the entire FNAF fan theory fandom where there are the writers in the center, and there are a whole load of FNAF theorists from wildly different sides of the debate spectrum going from hating where the game is going all the way to loving it.

[@IDsFantasy]

Nice XD

[@StoryTeller796]

@IDsFantasy But I am honestly really grateful for you making this video, I think it'll help to clear up a lot of other KZbinr's confusions with the FNAF books.

[@TheGamerDuck]

Another banger from ID's! I fully agree with this!

[@IDsFantasy]

Thank you! I'm glad

[@Elyullie]

The Five Nights at Freddy’s books are amazing - I especially love The Silver Eyes Novel Trilogy - but it’s important to not get confused between the main line of lore and all the little branches. I have read all the books before and they were… confusing at times but this video really helped me tell what’s what. Thank you❤️❤️

[@IDsFantasy]

No problem! I'm glad it helps :D

[@surpreemleadernoot]

Why are you the only FNaF theorists who isnt isnane or biased

[@IDsFantasy]

I tend to avoid making theories unless I'm accounting for as many details as possible

[@EvyDevy]

I think the pending lawsuits in Help Wanted were against Fazbear Ent. for Jeremy's death rather than the indie dev. More importantly, if your issue with Stitchline is that 6 victims were killed in the original missing children incident instead of 5, that might not actually be a retcon. Correct me if I'm wrong, but outside of the original novel trilogy (AU), it has NEVER been stated exactly how many children have been killed in the MCI. The only instances of there being 5 victims in the game continuity are the newspaper clippings in FNaF 1 and the Foxy minigame in FNaF 2. The newspaper clippings however only state 5 children were connected to the incident after only two children were seen going to the back rooms of the pizzeria. Meaning more than 5 victims could have been killed in that incident. And as for the Foxy minigame, it's not meant to be literal clearly but even if it was, the 6th victim could have been killed differently than the other 5. Another big reason for believing Stitchline is the fact Andrew is clearly shown to be the vengeful spirit who we know is Golden Freddy. If this is true, then Cassidy would be the 6th victim I believe. It would explain the huge contradictions with making Cassidy as GF. There's also the fact Scott went out of his way to delete merch or info suggesting that Cassidy is GF multiple times. Something he's never actually done before for the most part. Andrew's death could have not been linked or known explaining why he wouldn't have a gravestone in FNaF 6 (Or Cassidy). But most of all, WHY would Scott need to make a story about SIX MCI victims if it wasn't meant to have this explanation? It's never elaborated on in FF why it's six. Also, I don't see how the Puppet's tears create an issue but the Blob's design already has other issues with the main game's timeline anyway. I know you might not believe this anyway, but I hope you can bookmark the idea.

[@shyguymike]

As always, fantastic video, explains most things about the topic that newcomers would need and presents evidence of your stances very well. One minor note I have is that you cite the "Lawsuits pending" line as evidence against TalesGames, because Snodgrass. It's not major, obviously, but seeing as FazEnt is lying about their involvement in the FNAF games' development and we know they commissioned them, I don't see a reason as to why the lawsuits should be believed real. They, effectively, even if we are to ignore Help Wanted (tale), commissioned Steve to make them. He is their employee, if not prisoner. What purpose could suing him serve? Heck, unless they want to assassinate him, they should want to keep him happy enough to have his mouth shut, not try to screw him over once they cease cooperation. One thing I am curious about, if I may, now that you aren't a TalesGames believer, do you believe in FrigthTales? Or at least StitchTales? It seems like a natural assumption with Frailty I think. And that is the one universe where Fazbear is never implied to have been in financial ruin, like in games after 1992/3, so I think them having grown into something like games' FazEnt, LLC makes quite a bit of sense.

[@IDsFantasy]

Thanks! And that's fair. My point is mainly that if the indie dev actually died, people would probably know since he did have friends, and Fazbear was trying to make it look like he wasn't working for them. I think FrightsTales is definitely possible given Frailty and the funky timeline stuff :D

[@CamrynChanelC]

I really hope we can get to a simpler time with the timeline like when pizzeria sim came out and everything was tied up into a cute bow and everyone was in peace with the ending 😭

[@IDsFantasy]

One day lol