How is this being impartial in a civil dispute about the Queens coins?

[@supernova046]

rather than administer the law the police officer appears to make it up as he goes along.

[@DMC888]

That’s what they all do. They seem to think they’re the arbiters of right and wrong, when their opinion is worth no more than a bloke down the pub.

[@doric_historic]

I believe the word they use is "interpret" the law regardless if it is written in plain English.

[@DMC888]

@@doric_historic misinterpret, lol.

[@WizzdummHeadley]

He's a Policy enforcer hence the name police , They're an LLC/private corporation as is the gov .

[@truckerfromreno]

Really bad policing. More like private security.

[@adamwilson2117]

Name and shame them in their private capacity they live among us until they don't chase them out of your villages and towns shameful bunch

[@drips1030]

Wow. He should have sought better understanding from his superiors instead of making it up!!

[@drankfrebin]

Absolute gold from start to finish, there was 1 boss in that shop today and we know who it was. Schooling the officer on data protection acts etc. The fool had to try and say he would do it through official channels..... yeah right pal !

[@WizzdummHeadley]

It was NOT GOOD because he agreed with the cop & the store saying yeah yeah yeah !!!???

[@drankfrebin]

@@WizzdummHeadley eh?

[@BANAMAN]

My opinion is this... No police force can give details whether civil or criminal. I find this police officer was sticking his nose in where it was not legally or lawfully required.The customer was 100% correct and the shop assistant was just following bad advice! Royal Mint should be taken to court for fraud for making the commemorative coins legal tender knowing full well, that shops and banks will not take them!!! Royal Mint can make any coin they want and it can be commemorative, but the mistake the Royal Mint made was to give the coins legal tender status. Petrol station should just accept the coin and send it to Royal Mint for exchange as the customer had every intention of paying with legal tender and I would hazard a guess, that there was no notice on the pump stating which legal tender was acceptable or not. Great video exposing police officer not acting impartially.

[@julianchamberlain5399]

Wise words.

[@miksterUK01]

Banaman, you make a good point there, we all love a good loop hole in the law but the responsibility is with Royal Mint. I’d like to see a follow up video of a garage owner going to the mint to swap them for notes. 😂

[@johnsaidi7601]

@@miksterUK01 they won't swap them 😆

[@WizzdummHeadley]

Great point because you can't have it both ways , you can't say they're legal tender while at the same time telling banks/shops/businesses they don't have to accept them !?

[@TheSadButMadLad]

6:20 This is the moment that the constable stole £50 from the supermarket. He took the money from the cashier under false pretences (because he doesn't know the law and made up some false law) and did it purposefully to deny the supermarket their money. That he then passed it on to the guy who bought the fuel doesn't mean that he's cancelled out the crime, it's just made it worse as he has now exacerbated the crime from theft to handling stolen cash.

[@Normanskie]

Then that policeman needs promoting to the level of his own incompetence.

[@Nellyontheland]

@Norman Butler The problem here is that "bargain basement" is already taken by the shop keeper!

[@rjustman]

Someone should probably contact Merseyside Police to obtain this criminals name, date of birth and home address to start a private prosecution against him.

[@sparkyjackson8479]

@Kephas maybe a good solicitor

[@Christopher-m81]

As, Mr Chamberlain would point out. Handing back the the £50 to the customer 'negates' the debt! Is that right Julian?

[@saltymemesmith]

I believe this one could be a grey area as the Cop explained this is being passed back to you as a rejected payment and the customer took it from his hand and did not respond. The paying customer should have said "I'll only accept this coin from you as a gift" I believe the best person to decide the outcome might be a judge.

[@adamwilson2117]

@@saltymemesmith Had a store manager say he didnt want my money so I took it back police took it as a theft and subsiquently dropped the charges a gift doesn't need to be stated as a gift - once its offered its theres same as the fuel - what they do with it after they have it is up to them.

[@saltymemesmith]

@@adamwilson2117 That's definitely a strong argument, the Cop had no right to obtain the shops money and pass it to anyone.

[@adamwilson2117]

@@saltymemesmith Yeah it actually as far as a breif examination would constitute a theft because by taking it from the store and giving it to a member of the public he has permanently deprived them of that coin without any intent to return it to them. If we had an actual lawful system you could pull him up on theft charges.

[@saltymemesmith]

@@adamwilson2117 Agreed 👍

[@AndyPandy007]

Constable needs sacking... completely wrong at every point.

[@DMC888]

Should have told the copper to leave. Civil matters have nothing to do with him.

[@philliplester1741]

“I am a police officer, believe it or not!” Who breaks criminal law? The ‘police officer’.

[@MaChud-n1e]

Nice to see integrity for once.

[@TheSadButMadLad]

6:00 No Merseyside Police will not give out details. The constable might not know GDPR but the people in the supermarket know that they can't get the details via the police and that even if they tried they'd be rebuffed.

[@DMC888]

What happens in the case of a drive off? Where someone has actually broken the law. Do the police or eventually the court give the garage the person’s ID? In this case where no law has been broken I agree, the garage has no right to obtain someone’s name and address. Hopefully the station will know this.

[@TheSadButMadLad]

@@DMC888 The garage can get in touch with the DVLA using form V888 and gets the owners details. Then asks them to pay up or court proceedings will be started. For a drive off which is theft the police can prosecute. The court can add the fuel cost to the fines.

[@MaChud-n1e]

If fuel is drawn and payment is made then the crime of theft or bilking is negated does not exist there is no unlawful intent. If the shop refuses payment whether they have the right or not the debt is settled. As for the cop obtaining details rightfully refuse to give them after all no crime has been committed also giving details to a third party as the date controller is a breach of the DPA and GDPR rules!

[@mathew8581]

Civil dispute , police should know it’s nothing to do with them , Cops told shop not to accept it also, There will be a data breach if cops give his details won’t it ? Why did he give his details ?

[@julianchamberlain5399]

He was told he would be required to under 164 of the road traffic act if he didn't.

[@Nickle314]

@@julianchamberlain5399 One thing that the police don't want you to know relates to their notebooks. You can insist that they read the contents of their book to you. You have the right to make comments, have them recorded and sign the book there and then. This prevents later additions. Makes it absolutely certain its contemporaneous. You then SAR request for a copy of those notes.

[@asitis8990]

@@Nickle314 and i can state with out doubt that when you receive a copy of the notebook via a DSAR it will be hugely redacted. 100%.

[@Nickle314]

@@asitis8990 You get the copy of the part of the notebook containing the information about you. You do not get the data in the notebook about others for obvious reasons. However, in court, they have to produce the notebook, and you get to look at it there. Your solicitor, the judge can even read other entries to make sure its complete.

[@pinacuk8030]

​@@julianchamberlain5399is that legal they can use road traffic act to get details to pass on to others surely thats a breach of GDPR

[@Mushroom67]

This is a blatant breach of section 26 of the criminal courts and justice act This guy should sue.

[@Nickle314]

26 Corrupt or other improper exercise of police powers and privileges (1) A police constable listed in subsection (3) commits an offence if he or she- (a) exercises the powers and privileges of a constable improperly, and (b) knows or ought to know that the exercise is improper. .... The key bit "ought to know". That means he can't claim ignorance. In this case he was told, but ignored it. (4) For the purposes of this section, a police constable exercises the powers and privileges of a constable improperly if- (a) he or she exercises a power or privilege of a constable for the purpose of achieving- (i) a benefit for himself or herself, or (ii) a benefit or a detriment for another person, and (b) a reasonable person would not expect the power or privilege to be exercised for the purpose of achieving that benefit or detriment. To me that kicks in, we are talking benefits and detriments.

[@johnsaidi7601]

How would you go about suing for this?

[@nonenone-vt8cg]

Too bloody true, but typical of corrupt Merseyside Police

[@julianchamberlain5399]

@@Nickle314 Policeman advised the creditor not to accept payment as the debtor could then claim he had paid. He also advised them to ban him from all their other branches. This is not the full video, but the shop said they don't take £50 notes either. Would the constable have advised the same in that case? Its outrageous that when you consider that a Crown servant of the Queen is advising these things. Hundreds of years ago the Queen would have had him beheaded.

[@Nickle314]

@@julianchamberlain5399 My view take it to court. What you do is go to the court, pay the money into the court, but its marked as "evidence" to be produce at the hearing. Now if the court cashes the money, then there's an issue. They have destroyed evidence. You can also call the copper as a witness, with his little app. As a witness, he has to answer questions, and a decent solicitor or amateur will ask leading questions where he admits to all sorts of offences, particularly data protection. You would do that because it shows lots of things. His ignorance of the law. Breaches of his code of ethics, which means he's hostile to you...

[@kevb6313]

Wow such ineptitude from the officer, pity we don’t have more details on him and would love to see a follow up

[@MikeKey-y7l]

The copper needs to be sacked for giving private information to 3rd parties. Also he should not take sides.

[@WhatYaL00kingAt]

This looks like misconduct in public office to me. Operating outside of his authority and responsibility

[@TheDisruptiveYouTuber]

It's precicely becuase of interactionls like this which is why more of us need to do this!. If the police aren't going to enforce the law then what fucking use are they?!

[@wackyracer123]

*Typical police doesnt have a clue about LAW .*

[@Nellyontheland]

SO IMPARTIAL! My answer is that I would post all of the policeman's details on Facebook within the year. The copper is using the threats as colour of law and is susceptible to all of its punishments. Revolting behaviour by the bent copper. But what actually occurred here is a 'war of words' and no more. The guy should just walk away. The cop will get his details illegally from his car reg. The force will illegally give those details to the shop keeper. The shop keeper will illegally pass those details to a debt recovery agent before arbitration. The agent will legally but unlawfully request payments. The man illegally ignores their advances. Agent legally takes money as goods and chattle. OR...bloke takes the copper, the force, and the shop keeper to court individually using a solicitor. Cool.

[@presstodelete1165]

If a Police officer wants to hand out £50 coins they are free to do so, but that is not the business refusing payment.

[@GHOSTHMLTN]

Definitely a civil claim to be made here against the police if this officer gave your details over

[@johnsaidi7601]

Would be difficult to prove though 🤔

[@dunningkruger4863]

Please keep us informed on this one

[@globalobserver8934]

I wonder if they would have rejected the payment in 50 £ 1 sovereign coins. Probably.🤣

[@HecticNoobster]

well the man is going to have the last laugh when hes in court and the petrol station are going to go with there tail between there legs.

[@cdplayz2417]

Surley even if they contacted the police they still couldn't give them his details they would have to get a court order for them Surley.

[@green9543]

They definitely can’t give his details to them , and stop calling me surely 😀that last part is a very old joke😂he has means of payment by legal tender so in law , law of the land he actually has broken any law so why are the police there 😅

[@genwoolfe]

Was matey obliged to accept the coin back from plod & where would that have left plod if he'd refused? 😉😇

[@akmaldawson5187]

Awesome. However, you should not have accept the coin from the officer because it is a civil dispute and they 'officer ' has no power over it.

[@sparkyjackson8479]

He just played the part of a judge way over his pay grade

[@thehouseholder5468]

PC Vicky Pollard there Copsplaining the British currency 💷… ye but no but ye but no but ye but no

[@TheSadButMadLad]

6:39 I don't follow the logic of the constable's statement. He says that the shop won't be able to pass the coin and get their account updated by £50. Yet how did the guy get hold of the coin? He bought it. So someone sold it. The same transaction can occur when the supermarket does it and "sells" it on to the whatever company handles their cash.

[@julianchamberlain5399]

Often these garages have a private secure company like g4s collectvthe cash. They only collect notes not coins so the coins get used in change to other customers. The shop knows they won't be able to use a £50 coin as change so they are stuck with it. Thats their problem...

[@gregg.d]

Jeez, this is frustrating to watch.

[@Nellyontheland]

Agreed. The shopper should just walk away and let the court actions ensue.

[@NewsAtt20]

Wow, the police breaking the law so clear and plain and with pride….. what do they do when the camera is of 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬

[@Nickle314]

So will Baliffs accept legal tender? Will they want extra on top? Hard to enforce that one.

[@miksterUK01]

Another case of the police representing the corporate company rather than representing the law. He should have just walked away as there clearly was no breach of the peace or criminal offence taking place, so the officer wasn’t required to assist in a civil case, I hope the guy sues the police if they pass his details on.

[@elminsters]

Where's the original video from? I'm curious about what else happened and what'll happen next.

[@andrewgilbertson5356]

Pig on side of shop

[@Normanskie]

If you DON'T pay then they have 24 hours recovery company, but surely that if ONLY when theft is involved. Here we have no making off without payment. In a civil dispute you have to give the other party your name and address for service of Court documents, the police do not have the right to them only the other party in the civil dispute.

[@retroclickmedia4422]

You can serve via txt now

[@sparkyjackson8479]

Like the police man says this isn't about me , very right you shouldn't be involved in a civil matter. Everyone's even the female copper who passed details on don't think she's a copper any more, this one thinks he's judge dread "I am the law"

[@gordonking2859]

Hope you sue this cop

[@dmdmorg]

In the stupid real world, Mr Plod is in this shop everyday of the week having a giggle and free coffee. You could tell they were on familiar terms: "No what i mean like", and last thing Mr Plod is going to do is go against his day in day out chit chat girly gang...Idle hands and all that malarky:)

[@wheelzmediaKINGSLYNN]

Did she break the law in front of a police officers

[@gordonking2859]

So they wont except legal tender tough shit it's legal tender

[@sparkyjackson8479]

What have the police got involved for??

[@andrewgilbertson5356]

Thank you

[@michaelcartman1129]

Yer right!

[@alberttickle1106]

"not English money"...????

[@twiz1084]

Can’t believe he was trying to pay with Iraqi currency 😂

[@mickowen3318]

all coins r where commerotive at 1 time even the pennies but we still spend em

[@unclejohn11]

👍❤️

[@resist.]

Great audits

[@doric_historic]

Bon!

[@lewishadley6219]

Play the same game don't take the coin out of the police officers hand

[@lewishadley6219]

The only reason they hand it back is to try and stich you up for a drive off so don't take it back don't help them.

[@Nellyontheland]

I'd say allow the coin back into my hand. Let them return my money. An old man walks into a flower shop after his wife has died. The florist says, "Keep your money, John, we all miss your wife," and he leaves with the flowers. The florist can't then take him to court now can he? Nope. Keep the money.

[@lewishadley6219]

@@Nellyontheland this sounds like the start of a joke.

[@Nellyontheland]

@Lewis Hadley true. But the actual joke are the prices in the florists in the first place 😩

[@beebeesmith]

I really don’t understand why you held your hand out and accepted the coin back from the cop. You should have put your hands in your pocket and walked out and driven off. 🤔

[@legalactivity6977]

Officer getting involved in a civil dispute. Then says the police will pass his name onto garage because he has created a log. For what crime?

[@knight3001]

Also abused the PNC for a civil dispute.

[@gobstoppa1633]

can shop keepers refuse legal payment.??

[@Fishingadventureuk]

You should ask, Who.do you serve and when they reply "The crown" then say why don't you recognise it's tender then ?

[@lint8391]

The shop can use the £50 - as legal tender - to settle any debt that it has. Such as its' electricity bill or council tax. There is no actual problem here. The amount of time wasted by arguing about accepting the coin could have been used nipping down the council offices and paying them the £50 as partial payment of the council tax bill. The council could then use the coin to settle any debt it had incurred. And so the £50 coin would go round and round. Which is the whole idea of legal tender. Dumb copper, does the usual thing of siding with the business and against Joe Public. Instead of being professional and upholding the law, and not breaking the law himself, including being part of the chain within his organisation breaking GDPR law. As well as the misconduct in a public office, using his uniform to try to coerce a different form of payment from the customer.

[@dannygeebee]

Hi Julian why not try the same methods in restaurants when it comes time to pay? Would be really funny!

[@julianchamberlain5399]

Would be more amusing if there was a problem with the meal or service. That hotel where the manager attacked me would be perfect and on my to do list.

[@dannygeebee]

@@julianchamberlain5399 send in Richard for that one then join him part way through the meal 😂🤦

[@JynxedKoma]

69 likes... Nice.

[@WizzdummHeadley]

Impartiality DOESN'T EXIST it's simply a myth as people act in accordance with their environments such as this cop here although he's outside of his jurisdiction !?

[@spandangle334]

Imagine this .... person is doing ok in life ...sees some new release of com.... i cant spell it but lets just say new release of celibration coins that cost 100 pound ... it states they are legal tender ...this person says wow i love them .. ill take the whole set which is 5 different coins ... puts them in nive display case ....a year down the line ...boom they loose pretty much everything ... who knows maybe they got poorly 🤷‍♂️ or lets just say some weird shxt like covid happened ....anyway this person is on their arse ..can only just about pay for the car insurence let alone fuel the dam thing .... the cars fuel light has been on for days .. this person cant even drive to a poxy job interview let alone actually driving to work if they got the job ...the job that a couple years ago would never be on the cards coz they was doing ok ... but lets just say the fuel light stayed on and there was just enough to get them to the cleaning job interview ... boom they got the job 💪💪💪 but its monthly pay ....so now not only has the car running on fumes but now it looks like they cant start this new cleaning job ....... but hey hang on .... whilst doing a bit of their own cleaning dust off the cabnet ..they see the 5 £100 coins they bought when life was good ... yes these are the coins that can give over a months worth of fuel to get to work ...... to be then told ...(because they went in 1st to ask if they tske them ) NO NO NO 🤷‍♂️ now the poor cxnt dont even have enough fuel to get back home let alone to start new job 🤦‍♂️ imagine theres many actual storries out there where corperations suck the money from you when your doing good but turn their backs on ya when shxts not good ..... P.s sorry for the long comment and bad gramma .... but its just something i thought of off the cuff

[@trickyfocus]

The woman is on minimum wage and you are putting her through this crap you should be ashamed of yourself

[@julianchamberlain5399]

So was Rosa Parks bus driver. Are there any other civil rights you feel should be abused? You should be ashamed of yourself.

[@WizzdummHeadley]

@@julianchamberlain5399If you look into who RP actually was & what her purpose actually was as many of her contemporaries you may be very shocked/surprised because it isn't what you think !?

[@dalewakefield2924]

The cop and lass have no clue folks like that are what keeps the beast system going not thinking for themselfs all bets are on thay have had 4 booster shots and love watching the king on his golden chair telling you to put more clothes on this winter to save on the gas bill o yes sir please sir three bags full sir

[@WizzdummHeadley]

VERY TRUE !

[@FC-ce7ij]

Yet another example of when an officer "feels they have to intervene" on behalf of an organisation, whether under pressure to resolve or not, but ends up making the most utter policing bollocks ever. He did not remain impartial and indeed involved himself to the point he has stepped outside his authority and brought himself and his organisation into disrepute. Any wonder Chief Cons up and down the country are going off their heads with useless constables running around rogue. Very poor!!