How Mallory Would Have Survived 1924's Everest Tragedy | Mick Conefrey

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[@sharipazyck-gv2dv]

Great video thank you!

[@yarnenthusiast7480]

I’m so invested in this story and I don’t climb mountains -

[@SamJ_1980]

Me too!

[@mariannemarlow]

Me three!

[@BoiadaDaVida]

Same here. In my case we dont even have snow around! Kkk In spite of that I cant stop thinking about this story and the 1996 tragedy

[@lisahance]

Given what was said about Mallory's personality and drive, I'm having a hard time believing that when he finally got that close to the summit that he would turn back. That had to be the ultimate case of summit fever!

[@bigwaidave4865]

For that he suffered the same fate as hundreds that followed.

[@Trish.Norman]

Excellent interview!! I love how you give your guests room to talk. I’m looking forward to reading the book.

[@EverestMystery]

Thanks SO much Trish!

[@johnlorrieboskovic2836]

And such is the way of it, isn't it, that Mallory has all of the attributes attached to him but he is a Human. He has virtues and flaws and we are looking through the wrong end of the telescope at him. So much of the story of his final attempt to climb Everest is tangled up with how we view Mallory as a person and mountaineer. The quote that stood out to me was the "...Mallory was Mallory after all..." and so many of us want to think that he made it for that reason. Not because of any physical evidence or verifiable facts but because of the belief in his mystique if you will. This type of story is why I prefer this type of read rather than a novel - real life, if you will is always much more nuanced than any novel could be. Looking forward to reading this one! Great interview, @EverestMystery!

[@EverestMystery]

Thanks so much, great insights! Those who wish to put Mallory on the summit and will hear nothing else will be displeased. Mick Conefrey has a level head on this one.

[@johnlorrieboskovic2836]

@@EverestMystery Mallory is an easy person to root for. One really wants him to have that "moment." But reality gets in the way of that. Sometimes we forget that. I really enjoy your channel Sir! Thank you for these types of stories.

[@carolescutt2257]

Oh good my favourite subject matter AND thoms excellent narrative 😊😊😊 brilliant xx

[@pauldavis4287]

I’m really looking to reading “Fallen”. Mallory never attempted the 2nd step. The WATCH is the key. 13 hours of unaccounted time. If they had failed on the 2nd step, they woulda been back at camp at 3pm, not 1:30am in the morning when he fell.

[@EverestMystery]

Thanks for watching and for your support of the channel, I really appreciate it!

[@danielfalaschiffyluncuyo5505]

Thanks for the video Thom. I need to correct Mick about the K2 climb in 1954. After many controversy, it has now been proved beyond doubt that Lacedelli and Compagnoni reached the summit WITH oxygen. There are many books by Bonatti, the CAI and Lacedelli accepting the truth. Fabulous stuff Thom, keep the Malloey story and legacy alive and forget about the usual haters!

[@Bloggerky]

I am most certainly buying this book. Wade Davis' "Into the Silence" has been my favorite so far as the most evocative Everest saga. I look forward to reading Mr. Conefrey's work.

[@pauldavis4287]

I’m reading “into the silence” right now. Fascinating details abound. A must read for anyone interested in the subject.

[@markwaters7760]

I understand the argument that Mallory chose Irvine because of his proficiency at the operation of the O2 apparatus but imo, Irvine was too inexperienced for such a climb. I think had Mallory chosen Noel Odell, we would be celebrating the duo today! Odell was a much more experienced high altitude clinber!

[@pauldavis4287]

Mallory was smart enough to bring along the one man who could fix the O2 equipment, faulty equipment stopped the Swiss in 1952 and Hillary’s climbing teammates, allowing Hillary to summit.

[@toniwertman4818]

I believe they could’ve made it to the top. But not get back down.

[@dukecraig2402]

Everyone thinks that Irvine was inexperienced and lacked the talent, not true, Odell spent quite a bit of time with him climbing in the Alps vetting him for the Everest expedition, he may not have been the climber Mallory was but he was about as good as anyone else on that expedition, don't forget it's been said time and time again about what a natural athlete he was, just look at the guy, Odell wasn't about to let someone go along that was sub par just because he knew the oxygen system, it'd have been easier to train a competent climber on the oxygen system than to take someone who didn't know what they were doing.

[@cathywithac]

I'd like to think that they got as far as they could go, be it the summit or somewhere below it, before they turned around. I'd like to think that they realized their personal bests before they fell. They were amazing athletes and climbers.

[@gemmaboyce8792]

How amazing were George and Sandy to even get as far up Everest as they did without modern safety and climbing gear. Just incredible legends.

[@iainthomson9160]

I remember being at sir Edmund Hillary view to the summit book launch in Melbourne Australia..his point of view is that they had a very high chance of reaching the summit due to the higher than average snow fall to get above the 2nd step at that time.. i still have his signed book and pic's of that day in Melbourne.. Peace to all.x

[@naturalstoke]

Thank you for the awesome video with Mick

[@Cape_Cod_Steve]

👍👍Thom . What they accomplished with the clothing and gear of the period was an authentic victory to me .

[@EverestMystery]

I agree!! Thank you for watching :)

[@sharipazyck-gv2dv]

Great video thank you!

[@EverestMystery]

Thanks for your awesome support and thanks for watching the video!

[@Thankyou423.3]

Awesome episode ✌️

[@fergalohearga9594]

I have read loads about this era of big mountain climbing and history in general and if there is any theme that is present in nearly every historical analysis it is that by judging these people by our own current standards, we grossly underestimate what they were capable of.

[@Cape_Cod_Steve]

You nailed it . 👍

[@EverestMystery]

They were insanely determined and capable. I have never thought that not making it to the summit in any way diminishes their incredible accomplishment. Cheers and thanks so much for your support of the channel!

[@fergalohearga9594]

@@EverestMystery I'm inclined to think that they made it. Far be it for me to tell you about the evidence uncovered in 1999, but I'm pretty sure there was nothing inconsistent with them having made it and plenty to infer that perhaps they did. I've also learned that the very first witness impressions are almost always the most accurate, and Odell's first recording of what he saw is likely the most accurate as well. That would put them on the so-called Third Step, maybe, which is the end of the hard bit going up, or so I've been told ... In any event, what a bitchin mystery,

[@chantelversace3981]

Again, fantastic interview. I love the positive flow both you and your guest naturally maintain. Although I have never climbed, I am so invested and have done so much research on Everest. I shyly say, Im a little obsessed. However, I still have so many questions. I recently came across your channel through my research and am so glad I did. Maybe one day, I will be able to ask you my questions. Thank you for providing such an interesting subject for all to share. ❤

[@kylewood8327]

I hope they put this book out in an audiobook version!

[@alexk2652]

Thank you once again Thom 👍

[@EverestMystery]

Thank you Alex!

[@mariannemarlow]

The story of Mallory and Irvine is so fascinating. Are there any films made about them?

[@EverestMystery]

There are certainly documentaries about them....for instance, in 2019 we did Lost On Everest with National Geographic (which you can see on Disney+). In terms of dramatic films, I don't believe so.

[@mariannemarlow]

@@EverestMystery I have watched pretty much all the documentaries. I just wondered if there was a movie.

[@NefariousEnough]

Thanks, Thom!!

[@EverestMystery]

You're welcome! I'm glad you enjoyed it!

[@VincentComet-l8e]

Your graphic at 1.13 shows ‘Mallory & Irvine last seen here, 28,400 feet’ and whilst the height is about right, the arrow points at the Second Step, which was a very formidable obstacle Mallory had made clear he had no intention of attempting, instead staying some way below it and following the more horizontal route taken by Norton a few days before, along to the Great Couloir. I believe the arrow should instead point at what is today known as the Third Step, which is indeed at 28,400 feet. The original report by Odell, in The Times in 1924, read: ‘There was but one explanation. It was Mallory and his companion, moving, as I could see even at that great distance, with considerable alacrity…the place on the ridge mentioned is a prominent rock step, at a very short distance from the base of the final pyramid…’ That ‘prominent rock step, at a very short distance from the base of the final pyramid’, being the Third Step, which has been described as just ‘a pleasant scramble’, whereas the Second Step was basically unclimbable, and a far too severe test in the short time window available, hence it being avoided. In his official account of the expedition, published in 1925, Norton by then had got Odell to slightly change his account, for reasons we can only guess at.

[@EverestMystery]

The graphic at 1:13 was created by John Noel, the expedition photographer and filmmaker from the expedition. In 1924 there was no Third Step. Truly appreciate that you took the time to watch!

[@VincentComet-l8e]

@@EverestMystery Thankyou, but it does seem there must be errors involved, clearly right from the start, with that picture being created by John Noel, because: • The arrow points at the Second Step, but shows the height of what is today known as the Third Step • Mallory & Irvine could not have been seen on top of the Second step, because it was basically unclimbable • And Mallory made it clear he had no intention of attempting it, following Norton’s route to the Great Couloir instead. • Due to its great difficulty, they also would not have been seen climbing it ‘with great alacrity’, whereas that description neatly matches the much easier Third Step. • The original report by Odell, in The Times, accurately describes the Third Step, and cannot in any way be thought to be the Second Step instead.

[@sharipazyck-gv2dv]

Thanks!

[@EverestMystery]

Thank you SO much for your support!!!

[@SamJ_1980]

I like to think when Hillary reached the summit in 1953, he came across a British flag and in the ultimate "oops" situation, he "accidentally" kicked it down the side of the mountain and conveniently forgot it was ever there.

[@EverestMystery]

That would have been diabolical lol

[@davepirtle9790]

I really appreciate the statement he makes at the end.

[@redemptivepete]

It seems to me that if Odell couldn't be definitive about where he saw Mallory and Irvine then we cant be dogmatic about whether they summitted looking back 100 years on from there. I hope to get this book because it seems to me that going back to what people were thinking in 1924 is the approach most likely to point to the most probable outcome!

[@JohnDavidHays]

Thom, another outstanding interview video -- your forte. What Conefrey presents here is an example of the strength of the Victimology technique. It also shows how we can stray into mind-reading here and there. Very, very interesting. I hope he does well with his book, even if it doesn't seem to break new ground towards solving "The Mystery." He is incorrect in thinking Odell was not under any pressure to deny or modify his 12:50 PM sighting of Mallory and Irvine. He was under tremendous pressure all his life, but particularly there in the first weeks and months. We have all seen Cancel Culture today and how it can ruin careers, lives and essentially make a person disappear. Remember, if Odell's placement of M&I very near the base of the Final Pyramid had been accepted, then Teddy Norton would have immediately lost his sole distinction as having climbed higher than anyone in history. As it was, Norton kept that world record for decades, and it probably helped his own career advancement. But Odell saw Mallory and Irvine climbing much higher than Norton had. He is clear about this in his diary entry on the night of June 8th, 1924. The beginning of Odell's public accommodation to pressure can be seen in his Chapter 6 of the expedition report, "Fight for Everest." Here he is implying that he saw M&I reach at least 28,300 feet, but then give the record to Norton for reaching 28,100 feet. Read between the lines here with the thought that Odell was a very genial and kind man, who was under professional pressure: ODELL: "I have already mentioned the possible reasons why Mallory and Irvine were so late in reaching the point at which they were last seen, which if the ‘second rock step,’ as referred to earlier, would be an altitude of about 28,230 feet, as determined by theodolite from the Base Camp by Hazard; if the ‘first rock step,’ then not more than 28,000 feet. And in the latter event we must assuredly and deservedly attribute the known altitude record, the greatest mountain height definitely attained by man, to Norton, who reached not less than 28,100 feet." And so, Edward Norton returned to his regiment in India with Everest honors and a singular world record, his rank and career continued to rise, and he retired world famous, with the rank of Lieutenant General. The British Establishment also benefitted from Odell's partial recant, Everest remained officially unclimbed and the British continued to send mapping and exploring expeditions into Tibet, ostensibly to climb Everest and all of those a failure which necessitated yet more Great Game style intrusions into the region. Thom, there is a lot of new information and analysis available now. Thank you for this interesting visit with Mick Conefrey.

[@WellyCoaster]

Norton acknowledged Mallory and Irvine's record, it was published in the 1924 Alpine Journal and Geographical Journals. June 14th - Published July 5th 1924. Norton: "We leave here with heavy hearts. We failed to establish success, for who will ever know whether the lost climbers reached the summit before the accident which it mау - be assumed caused their death ? The last point at which they were seen was determined by the theodolite as 28,227 ft . - less than 800 ft . from the top. Together with the height reached by Dr. Somervell and myself, which , measured by the theodolite, was 28,128 ft . , these constitute a world's ' record ' for climbing with and without oxygen respectively."

[@JohnDavidHays]

@@WellyCoaster Great, Welly. That is a discrepancy! and yet at some point afterwards, Norton accepted the honor of place. When we have a discrepancy, we have a question. It is from questions that we really start to learn. So, Welly, what happened? When did this change? Why? Did Norton ever repeat his honorable acknowledgment? Or did he decide Odell was mistaken in his sighting, and thus took credit for first place? How can we test this? How can we resolve this discrepancy? What data do we need and where can we find it? What’s your hypothesis? - I’m not dicking with you, Welly. I think this is cool and I want to know what you think happened? BTW, nice catch. I will look for that Alpine Journal article. Where did you find it?

[@EverestMystery]

Thanks for the insight. There's a lot to unpack here! I won't even try...other than to say that from Odell's vantage point, the base of the pyramid could just as easily been the first step. When you stand there and see if from where he was it's easier to see how that might have been the case. In my opinion, Jake Norton is the only one, bar none, who has ever made good sense about this...other than the guys who were actually there.

[@WellyCoaster]

@@JohnDavidHays Hi John! I'm sorry I missed your reply earlier. I haven't really gone into the records to be honest, certainly not as much as you. When I read your message I had just been reading the Alpine Journal so it was fresh in my mind, thought I'd share it. I thought Norton only held the highest record without oxygen? I'm not sure of the criteria required for Mallory and Irvines climb to be accepted as the world record. So did their climb not count? As for where that piece can be found its in the 1924 Everest dispatches. Alpine Journal 1924 page: 219 The journal can be downloaded from the Internet Archive.

[@JohnDavidHays]

@@WellyCoaster from Norton’s Wikipedia page, first paragraph: “After two summit attempts in which Edward Norton set a world altitude record of 8,572.8 metres (28,126 ft)” Nothing there about “without oxygen” and Norton himself never made that correction that I’ve ever seen. In that time, climbing with oxygen was considered unsporting, almost cheating. As we see in the oxygenless 1933 expedition, after 1924 it was back to unaided ascent attempts - with predictable results.

[@nellyx1x493]

If they were seen on the third step then its highly likely that they made it, its even more likely that they made it due to the fact that they died on the way down. If they'd turned around long before, it would have to be a highly unlikely to have such an accident on the relatively easier terrain around the ice axe. Exhausted and hypoxic from long since running out of oxygen having summited late after pushing beyond the limits would account for the tragedy that unfolded. I do believe, ever since becoming obsessed with the story since reading 'Ghosts', that they were seen on the third step - but don't believe that they scaled the second step to get to that point ...

[@EverestMystery]

Thanks so much for watching and for sharing your insights! I really appreciate it :)

[@stevemorris6790]

They didn’t summit. Hillary did and should be given all respect and glory, instead people pay and talk if Mallory did blah blah.

[@nellyx1x493]

@@stevemorris6790 No one really knows for sure until we find another nugget of information, a pack frame high on the mountain, or find Irvine. But the available evidence in the goggles, the watch - points to them dying late in the night. If they'd turned around at the second step they'd have been back at camp shortly after lunch, but if they spent all that time out there what exactly do we think they were doing, its no place to hold a tea party. If they got beyond the second step then there's no major difficulties left for a determined team to make it to the summit - the problems come when you've spent all your cookies to get there, used all the O and need to get back. If M&I did make it then they deserve the respect of their story being told also.

[@mrsnos]

Just bought this on Audible. Can’t wait to give it a listen.

[@arsenal10141014]

Purchased both books. Great interview. I wish you asked him about Irvine’s body and this mystery

[@EverestMystery]

Thank you for watching ~ I don’t think Irvine’s whereabouts are particularly in his field of focus so I stayed with the topic of the book. Truly appreciate your having watched and your comment

[@arsenal10141014]

@@EverestMystery Makes sense. received both books. Started with the 1922 one. Have you ever thought about creating an expedition to base camp for fans of your channel? I’d be in.

[@user-or4hs7xq9u]

The Matterhorn had been climbed many years earlier, has sections harder than 2nd step. Not all in 1st summit of Matterhorn were experienced climbers.

[@dt3802]

I enjoyed that. TY.

[@WellyCoaster]

Thanks again, really enjoyed this. Everest 1922 was a great read so will pick this one up.

[@EverestMystery]

Thanks so much! I'm really glad you enjoyed it. Thank you for supporting the channel!

[@WellyCoaster]

@@EverestMystery I just finished the book today, thoroughly enjoyed it! So well researched and like Everest 1922 he tells a great story. There's a few things I learn't and really intrigued me. Will go through it again. I had read in Hoylands book that he said Somervell gave Mallory his camera, both to him and also in a BBC interview. Mick talked about this BBC interview in 1970 again with Odell and I think Noel. Would love to see it. Cheers

[@leapinglizard3937]

It's quite an honor to bring the remains of a missing person home - historic/famous/civilian.

[@leightondavies8884]

Just orderd the book - can’t wait to read it

[@seanyancy1809]

Because Mallory is Mallory great Insite to contemplate. Thank you Thom.

[@EverestMystery]

Thanks so much, really glad you enjoyed it!

[@fabioresende3442]

Didn't Mallory write/mention before the expedition a bunch of times he was going to try another route around the 2nd step? Seen it somewhere

[@WellyCoaster]

They hadn't wrote it as the second step until after the 1924 expedition, rather calling the first and second steps as obstacles/towers. Mallory's writings/lectures in the expedition books and journals from 1921 up to the 24 expedition were his intentions of attempting via the ridge, and that obstacles would have to be either climbed or turned if possible.

[@9090Glenn]

summit was definitely attempted - they were unable to overcome hurdles in front of them and were forced to turn around - late in the day - returning late - fallen - there is no way Mallory would have turned back unless he was FORCED to turn back due to weather - impassable route or accident - the 2nd reason seems most plausible - they went deep and were stopped by impassable obstacles in the route - others who have attempted the same route recently have stated the same conclusion - they would not have been able to make the summit in 1924 without aid of climb ladders currently in place - no doubt they reached the highest point on Mount Everest but the return at night was always going to be high risk - people often forget that Irvine was in many ways a novice alpinist and is most likely the one who took the initial plunge that then pulled the roped up Mallory off the mountain side to his death - quite likely Irvine is either deeply buried or fell into a crevasse on his fall - the theory that the Chinese took his body off the mountain is just silly innuendo - YOU try carrying a body down from that height - even today it is near impossible - Irvine is still up there somewhere - why a high altitude drone is not used to search the entire mountain face is beyond me - but if he is buried or in a crevasse - he may never be found ...

[@stevemorris6790]

You really wanted Mallory to summit. What are your problem? Do you have anything against the New. ZELANDERS?

[@davidspence5567]

@@stevemorris6790 Reflect on what you have Posted..that's poor looking at It from a purely Nationalistic angle. The whole reason many people what Mallory and Irvine to have summited Is because it's a Underdog Story and a tale of people pushing the boundaries of Human exploration.

[@user-dd2gn1ij9l]

I've been watching a lot of videos about Mallory. I personally think he made it to the top of Everest. I think he was so motivated to make it. But I could be wrong, maybe.

[@czarcastic1458]

Three other climbers at camp 4 or 5 had their telescopes fixed on the mountain that day and didn't see squat.

[@user-or4hs7xq9u]

A woodpecker came to our garden, I was the only one to see it. If I was the only one to see it. does that mean it didn't happen?

[@czarcastic1458]

@@user-or4hs7xq9u Is that supposed to make sense ?

[@user-or4hs7xq9u]

@@czarcastic1458 Just because Odell was the only one to make the sighting doesn't make his sighting untrustworthy or unreliable. Yes, it would have been better if more than one person saw Malloy and Irvine to back up Odell but they didn’t. Not easy to watch through a telescope consistently over a number of hours, easy to miss a fleeting view of Malloy and Irvine as the mist/cloud cleared.

[@user-or4hs7xq9u]

@@czarcastic1458 yes, my comment makes sense. Many cultures use examples to explain things.

[@czarcastic1458]

@@user-or4hs7xq9u It was a stupid comment. 3 extra eyes as opposed to one? Get lost

[@rondog540]

In my opinion the whole second step debate is a red herring, Mallory was on the record as saying that part of the ridge was impossible. Rather than trying to engage in high altitude gymnastics with an immensely strong but rank novice, it's far more likely that he attempted to do, with 02, what Norton and Somervell failed to do without, and somehow break through the top of the Couloir. In that case it would make sense for Odell to see them late in the morning around the snowfield below the summit pyramid and for them to have run out of daylight and luck making it back to their high camp.

[@EverestMystery]

Something to consider when one suggests that Mallory 'was on the record' about part of the ridge being impossible. In Julie Summers' book Fearless On Everest (she is Sandy Irvine's grand niece), she writes the following about M&I's prep for the summit attempt: "...it is probable that he (Mallory) spent that afternoon (June 7) considering their possible route for the following day. It is known that Mallory favored the 'ridge route' or 'skyline' as he called it. This was a very exposed ridge but it was always his preferred option. The route favored by Norton was across the face of the upper mountain and up the couloir to the base of the summit pyramid."

[@rondog540]

@@EverestMystery when I say "on the record" I'm going partly by his 1924 postcard calling the full NE ridge route impossible, although I guess he could have been exaggerating, or just changed his mind. But mostly, it's hard to reconcile a true ridge route with where he told John Noel to have his camera trained in the event of clear weather: "Mallory told me himself, when he talked to me of his possible routes up the final pyramid and told me where to watch for him, that he expected to go up the northeast of the final pyramid, but if he found the Gully particularly difficult, or if the west wind were particularly bad, he would take the eastern ridge, missing the Gully by passing across the head of it and gaining better protection from the west wind." That to me, along with Odell's contemporaneous comments, leads me to think the second step conjecture is irrelevant. Just my opinion though, no disrespect intended to you or Irvine's descendant.

[@wednesday8397]

I'm not a climber, I'm a wuss. LOL. While I'm an adrenaline junky when it comes to coasters and scary movies, I've always known my limits pretty well. When I was in 4th grade (1982), I spent every summer at my best friends family farm in southern Ohio and we decided to climb to the top of the highest silo tower on their farm that seemed to sway a little with the wind. I'll never forget the terror of my hands going numb when I looked down. THAT was bad adrenaline, lol! Even looking down 4 stories on my cruise ship this past winter made my hands go numb and I felt safe. Sooooo mountain climbing is a big no-no. That said, as I've always HATED the cold, lines, large crowds and bad smells, Mount Everest now sounds like the worst place on earth to me. I'll leave it to the real risk takers and cheer them on when they do it safely and don't endanger Sherpas and live vicariously thru them

[@EverestMystery]

Climbing that silo sounds terrifying....glad you were able to compose yourself and get back down! Thanks for watching and for making MY toes go numb with your stories!

[@terrymattingly6843]

What happened to the photos that Mallory planned to leave on the summit?

[@EvanDeitrich9]

Has anyone ever tried to ask a psychic what exactly happened to them and if they did summit?

[@user-or4hs7xq9u]

Now there's a thing. I don't believe in that kind of thing but......

[@EverestMystery]

Yes, there was an Irish psychic that communicated with the dead through automatic writing. She 'saw' Mallory a couple months after the expedition. He told details that were very accurate about his body breaking. Mallory said he did not make it, having turned around, then slipped twice.

[@WellyCoaster]

@@EverestMystery Man, I don't belive in psychics but that slipped twice bit sounds eerie. Given the location and Mallory's injuries it looks like he possibly had a double fall.

[@kencusick6311]

Conefrey is correct. We can only assign a probability to what happened to Mallory and Irvine. The best way to do that is to take what we do know for certain. We know Mallory was an extreme risk taker. Risking his own life and those around him. We know he wrote this was his last chance at Everest. We know he wrote against taking the ridge route and trying to climb the second step. We know the expedition tried the Couloir route. We know Mallory told Odell where to look for him on the morning of June 8, exiting the Couloir at the third step. We know with high probability that Odell saw Mallory and Irvine at 12:50pm. There is a good probability Odell saw them exactly where Mallory said he would be but hours later than he anticipated. We know where Mallory was found and with a higher probability for than against of the time when he fell. Unless Irvine’s body is still on the Mountain and it is found with summit rocks on him, we cannot know for certain that Mallory/Irvine summited. We cannot know what took place. So many unpredictable variables could have occurred. But given what we know, there is a good probability that they did indeed make it to the summit. The book sounds like a worthwhile read. Thanks for the interview. I enjoyed it.

[@skylarkman2000]

Would soooo love to know if the two brave Guys summited Everest in 1924 . Sadly We will never know unless Andrews body is discovered. Maybe not even then .

[@andreasmith5396]

Ummmm someone took George Mallory’s remains off the mountain

[@toniwertman4818]

Because Mallory was very brave and driven tru but also very selfish.

[@MrBenfaust]

Its not big of a deal nowadays..get in line.

[@SP4LVlogandbeyond]

By staying home

[@manjulachintu3250]

So...its confirmed that they did make it to the summit and while on the way back they meet their unfortunate demise...and were eventually found and disposed of 🤔🧐....sadly

[@EverestMystery]

@@manjulachintu3250 no one can really say they reached the summit with any certainly ~ unfortunately no proof exists

[@andreasmith5396]

Did George Mallory have trench foot on his feet cause I’ve read that he fought in WW1

[@EverestMystery]

I would imagine trench foot would disappear right after leaving the conditions of the war that might cause it. Thanks so much for watching!

[@robertross8565]

I don't think Mallory or Irving made the summit of Everest.

[@pauldavis4287]

Based upon?…

[@robertross8565]

@@pauldavis4287 A hunch and nothing more.

[@user-or4hs7xq9u]

I'd say there is a good chance of them getting very high up Everest. Not returning isn't proof they didn't get to the top.

[@stoobydootoo4098]

Lack of positive evidence.

[@robertross8565]

Getting to the top of Everest is an incredible feat. But getting back alive and telling the world is quite another endeavour. Mallory and Irving may have done the former but not the latter.

[@Elevendyeleven]

Mallory reminds me of John Fremont who killed his men "courageously" mapping the US "West" and didn't learn his lesson. He proceeded to kill his son trying to move his family to a place no settlers had ever been before, almost killed his men again crossing the Sierras a year before the Donner party, and completely wiped out native tribes on his way up California. We want to celebrate adventurers, but theres a reason they do crazy stuff and get others killed. A lack of empathy and judgement are characteristics of narcissism and humans need to stop celebrating it.

[@davidyersz8668]

I think they made it to the top which makes them first up there

[@stevemorris6790]

If they did they wouldn’t be lauded as be the first since you have go up and down. Tead mountaineers rules before posting BS.

[@Bloggerky]

Thanks!

[@EverestMystery]

Thank you so much for your support, it means very much to me!