How Midnight Motorist BROKE (most of) The FNAF Timeline - FNAF Theory

[@Sonicmid]

I am sad Afton MM is true but five laps at Freddy’s basically confirmed it so I guess it’s back to basics William, the orange guy The runaway is probably crying child And the guy on the couch is probably Michael

[@Takejiro24]

There are Faz-Tokens that have engravings that tell us that Freddy Fazbear's Pizza had opened in 1983. Therefore, I'm not sure that Elizabeth could not have died before Crying Child.

[@DeskFanMan87]

I kinda want to wait for Secret of the Mimic at this point before saying things can’t exist before 1983, which is a rule I used to really like to follow. But I dunno anymore.

[@Takejiro24]

@@DeskFanMan87 Waiting for The Secrets of the Mimic is extremely fair. Who knows what that game could reveal about the early days of FNAF. Keep up the good work. Look forward to your perspectives and theories!

[@Cross_Corp64]

12:50 YOU WERE THE CHOSEN ONE! IT WAS SAID THAT YOU WOULD SOLVE AFTONMM, NOT MAKE IT VAGUE. BRING BALANCE TO THE COMMUNITY, NOT GO FOR THE CRAZY THEORIES. I’m joking. I’ll be honest, even if I don’t agree with what you said in this video, I highly enjoyed it. With FFPS trying to tie up lose ends, I want to share my personal thoughts on what Midnight Motorist is supposed to imply: - Afton is abusive, which debunks WillCare/WillGrief - William lost control over Fredbear’s after the Big Bite, which made him furious towards Henry because of Henry not being harmed and still owns the property since it’s running down. This makes William drive to Fredbear’s to strangle Charlie mainly to hurt Henry over wild jealously. - Shadow Freddy is born from Charlie’s murder. Henry said “I couldn’t save you then” and this quote makes me believe Henry was the Freddy mascot in TCTTC minigame. This is where Shadow Freddy’s birth was and this makes him follow William wherever he goes (including Mike) - Speaking of Mike, I believe that Mike is the runaway because if Shadow Freddy is the one standing in the back, then he’s picking a pickle on Mike. Which makes sense due to how Nightmare is part of Mike’s dreams. - And with “That place”, I have a feeling William was referring to Fredbear’s. And Mike would have the memory of finding Charlie’s body, which makes him have the similarities to Clara- now why? Because Mike believes everything is crazy and that no one would take him literal since he’s responsible for the Big Bite. - This gives William a motivation to create the Nightmare chambers. If Mike is experiencing nightmares about Fredbear, with BV having nightmares about the animatronics in the first place, then William would start finding out if BV is actually haunting him and that he’s giving a sign that there’s something worse than death for Willy. So Willy started experimenting on fear, which led him to believe Charlie now possesses the Puppet with him being aware of ghosts. - Mrs. Afton is a thing. And with her watching TV, I could assume that Mike had developed a similar personality to his mother while having the looks of his father. But is Mrs. Afton herself really important? More likely: No. I could imagine that after Charlie’s death, she left due to children dying and Fredbear’s being dead. - And since Midnight Motorist was all about the Aftons, I believe the narrative of this minigame is supposed to reflect the story of FFPS. It’s the relationship of both the father and the son during the aftermath of what caused their journeys to began with. And FFPS is where it’s showing both the past and the present of Mike and William’s relationship and character arcs. That’s all I could say about it. I know FFPS doesn’t have to be narratively satisfying since I’m too ranty with the lore. I’m not even a BVRunaway but I’m getting a little hesitant with it being brought up now that Flaf confirmed AftonMM, I just think MikeRunaway makes more sense mainly because of how it’s symbolizing the protagonist and antagonist in FFPS’s modern story (With Puppet minigame, it’s with Henry and Lefty; as Fruity Maze, I might say it’s more info on the MCI and how it’s supposed to sympathize them as Molten Freddy). I feel like it’s nice to get more character info about the Aftons and how it’s reflecting the story of FFPS. With AftonMM being confirmed, I’m completely glad that we got an answer for Midnight Motorist rather than teasing everyone who was wrong. I’m just glad that the debate is done, but not yet. Anyways, just here to share my opinions- but I’m totally shock over your conclusions in this video 😅 Edit: Also, Congrats on the FuhNaff stream. Glad to see you there

[@DeskFanMan87]

This is great, seriously, but man I just struggle with accepting things like Mrs. Afton, Mikerunaway, ect. Narratively I like it, but it’s just the evidence I struggle with. For me it just makes sense to have all of the established Afton characters be included in some form for the minigame, so at that point it’s taking what the game gives us and just matching characters to ones we know. I almost even said Jr’s Green Guy was Henry to connect to Charlie’s green band, but with Jrs bar theory it just makes no sense. And it was cool to see you at the live stream! Saw ya in the live chat.

[@Cross_Corp64]

@@DeskFanMan87 Understandable, the struggle with accepting happened to me with things like Glitch/Burntrap being Mimic, what narrative I had for SB, Frights and Tales, and so on. I had change of opinions to find out what could be the story of FNAF. I don’t really think Midnight Motorist has to have all of the Aftons for that specific story. We never had any appearance of Mrs. Afton, while she’s not important, she’s never given any attention for a big story like this. I just look at the lore from what makes sense to me and how the tone of the characters and storyline fit with the lore. And even if you argue Mrs. Afton has no relevance of MikeRunaway grudges you, I have some level of thoughts: Mrs. Afton could have some relevance like Phone Guy, characters who get involved but don’t have a bigger impact on the story overall. I understand why she’s not important, she’s never acknowledged- But I’ll be shocked if she’s ever appeared in future games. And MikeRunaway, I’ve always had a hesitant with using colors to solve the lore, remember when people said Fredbear Plush has a different speaker in Night 6 due to text color? That’s kinda my problem with using color for lore. I could see the Couch Potato to be Mrs. Afton with a gown, with the gray connecting her to Michael (which would put some weight on Michael being like his mom). But with the Runaway, I think it makes sense that the player and his son would have an impact on what’s show in FFPS. It’s kinda like how Star Wars uses parallels to show a connection between both Prequels and OG Trilogy. It’s fine to disagree though. I hope you do more streams, it’s fun with you around

[@DeskFanMan87]

@@Cross_Corp64 definitely plan to stream more at some point, hopefully this week

[@Cross_Corp64]

@@DeskFanMan87 Awesome 🤩

[@century453]

Alright i believe the Mound to be Mrs. Aftons grave. Why? Simplle you have to remember that FFPS is a game meant for clarifying stuff. Back when SL released a lot of people were wondering what the role of Mrs. Afton was. The most popular theory was that she was possessing ballora which FFPS debunks by proving Molten MCI. So i think Scott added the Mound (which we know to be a grave due to it's looks and TUG calling it a grave) to show Mrs. Aftons role in the story. She Has no role she dies early in the timeline before William kills someone.

[@century453]

But still great video, it's nice to see someone believing Mike to be the Couch potato and BV to be the runaway. Imo those 2 theories just seem REALLY obvious.

[@DeskFanMan87]

Oh that’s actually a solid point for Momma Afton mound, this is one of the better ones I’ve seen. You definitely just gave that idea more credit IMO, but for me it makes a tad more sense for the Afton minigame to be including the already established Afton characters we’ve met up to this point. Just my POV, but seriously props to you cus I did a double take at this😅

[@DeskFanMan87]

And thank you!

[@century453]

​@@DeskFanMan87yeah I get that, my explanation at least for why Elizabeth isn't in Midnight motorists is because the minigame is simply not about her. People didn't really need a clarification on Elizabeth because we already knew everything we needed to know about her. (Except for her name but FFPS already confirms her name to be Elizabeth)

[@DeskFanMan87]

@@century453 that’s fair

[@bernardomiguelgamer5295]

I mean, couldn't you say that the grave is Mrs Afton/the mother under this? I feel like that makes considerably more sense than Elizabeth if BV is still alive and Charlie just died. And if you are going to say that she's important enough to use her to explain the house change, i don't see why this would be out of the question.

[@DeskFanMan87]

It could, but like I said it’s one of those “it can fit here so why not” sort of things. I don’t even like the whole “she keeps the big house” thing, but it does jump out at me that Afton specifically says that the house in MM is HIS house. It gives that idea just the slight edge of legitimacy to me. This is a theory overall just trying to take what the minigame is saying at face value without trying to completely make it fit, like I realllly dislike Baby’s being earlier, but with Elizabeth being the grave you all of a sudden have every established Afton character up to this point in the same minigame.

[@vasor1499]

BRO WHAT I JUST FOUND YOUR CHANNEL AND JUST BEFORE (like 12 minutes) I FINISH THE FREADBEAR VIDEO THIS IS UPLOADED. Funny

[@vasor1499]

(I loved your channel and i cant belive you have just 1.5k subs, keep on good work!)

[@DeskFanMan87]

Thank you! Hopefully the audio is better this time, that Fredbear video had some BTS issues😅

[@king_plasma]

While I don't agree with Dave (CC) Afton being the Runaway, I did still enjoy the theory, excitedly waiting for the next one!

[@DeskFanMan87]

Thank you! (I’m thinking of covering ITP next, but honestly dunno yet)

[@Sketch-ic6jf]

The main reason I’m not convinced of BVRunaway is because him seeing Charlie’s body kinda retcons what we know about BV’s fears because FNAF 4 already tells us that BV just misunderstood something simple and nothing in the game even connects his fears to the Puppet. Another problem I have is that if Afton didn’t want BV to run to Fredbear’s, why did the Aftons move near the diner after MM? So, to me, I mostly stick with MikeRunaway or the possibility that BV was just lured to the mound (who could just be Mrs. Afton) rather than the diner.

[@DeskFanMan87]

Yeah, I kinda danced around that in the video, should have just said it outright but I say I don’t know where Dave goes because I don’t think he goes to Fredbear’s and sees Charlie. Do I have another answer? Unfortunately no, but if he sees Charlie it kinda goes against the whole “misunderstood in mind of a child” thing. Though that is an out of game hint, so could have been changed. I do stick by WillPlush speaker, so him gaslighting Dave in 4 could actually make sense…….you got me thinking now, my head hurts.

[@Sketch-ic6jf]

@@DeskFanMan87 Well, if BVRunaway is true, I think Shadow Freddy could have taken BV to the mound, which could be Mrs. Afton’s grave under this interpretation. Although I’m not sure why, my guess is that SF wants to get agony from BV or something.

[@thepixelman4776]

I mean it’s not just Charlie that he would see but also the puppet like wrapped around her or something. He’d probably think that it killed her, hence the fear of animatronics. Admittedly, the security puppet is a little different, but still. For the second point, it’s harder to say exactly; I think it’s probably just that he didn’t want to change plans for a new home closer to work just because of his kid (especially if the SL bunker really is right under his house), so he took precautions with the cameras, stoking his fears with the plushbear, and forcing Micheal to look after him.

[@Cross_Corp64]

@Sketch-ic6jf I do agree with your problem with BVRunaway

[@alesm9666]

I agree with most of it except the Elizabeth part, I think the "buried" person could be Mrs. Afton, the reason Elizabeth wouldn't come out would be because she was too young at that time and she is asleep, if we take into account the data that the novels show, Elizabeth was barely a kindergartener in 84-85, if we subtract that, she should be 2 or 3 years old at most in 1983, It wouldn't be unreasonable to think that he was sleeping. That aside, I do agree with BV being the person running away and Mike being the person on the couch, watching TV, the fact that his and William's color palettes pretty similar to FNAF 4 text color must definitely be an indication to take into account.

[@king0_035]

Also the fact that baby literlly absorbed the body and I imagine her hating afton wasn’t just gonna cough it up

[@DeskFanMan87]

I could see it swinging either way, momma Afton or Elizabeth, but imo Liz just makes more contextual sense. With that it’s all the established Afton characters in the same minigame. The age is a good callout though.

[@alesm9666]

@@DeskFanMan87 Yes, but having it be Elizabeth would complicate the timeline issue a bit, especially when the novels establish that Elizabeth died shortly before the MCI.

[@DeskFanMan87]

@@alesm9666 oh absolutely, isn’t it fun?? (I’m going crazy)

[@silverbullet1620]

Here's a thought you probably won't see since it's four hours late and KZbinrs only notice the first hour of comments... What if the grave is Michael and Dave's mother. Hear me out. Michael and Dave are Brunette, so is William Afton if the books are to be believed. Elizabeth is a Ginger. What if Elizabeth is Michael and Dave's half-sister? It would explain the grave. It would also explain the drunken nights as JRs. What's worse, what if Mrs. Afton was killed in a car accident after William got drunk? That's why he's not allowed in. It would explain Elizabeth. And... Mrs. Afton may have been pregnant with a girl which explains the girl's room in FNAF 4. William sees Charlie as the daughter he never had and his rage at himself makes him take it out on her. Especially since Charlie is a brunette as well. Crazy idea, right?

[@Gamer_Dylan_6]

I promise to not get heated this time.

[@DeskFanMan87]

Well, we’re talking about a minigame in a game that ends in fire, so TECHNICALLY this is the perfect time to get heated. (I’m just trying to justify it but this isn’t working)

[@Gamer_Dylan_6]

Ok finished the video. First off, another BANGER from my favorite fnaf theory channel. Great job as always. You bring up some great points. Personally I still think the mound is a purposely open mystery to leave room for more games. I think that if its revealed that Secret of the Mimic reveals a motivation for William and gives us more info on shadow Freddy I could finally accept this as canon. Would also help if we get another appearance of yellow Afton in the new game but that's hopeful thinking. Its still possible that Scott removes the bunny from the midnight motor or changes the name to reference save him instead and then it all falls apart.

[@DeskFanMan87]

@@Gamer_Dylan_6 glad you liked it! For some reason the mound being an open mystery is something I’ve never even considered, I actually don’t mind that. Lots of people so far screaming Mrs. Afton, but like I said that’s one of those things that just “fits cus it can” not “cus it makes much sense with what we have”. But it just being an open ended thing for some reason I feel more comfortable with.

[@mitcheldxdyt]

I don't really agree with cc (Dave) being the run away it don't really fit what we know about him I think Mike is the runaway and that "place" is cc grave

[@DeskFanMan87]

Mike running to the grave of Dave is fair interpretation, but I find the argument that Dave can’t be the runaway because he’s too scared to be kind of odd. Kids, heck, people change quickly all the time. Something clearly caused him to be the way he is in 4, what that specifically is I’m not brave enough to guess lol.

[@mitcheldxdyt]

@@DeskFanMan87 yeaaa FNAF 4 is one of the most annoying games to try and solve Dave being the runaway is interesting but just don't really fit in my mind since we only seen the kid once lol I wished we got more of him so we can see him more instead of this kid who just got super unlucky in life

[@jetperson3billion439]

while i don’t agree on who the runaway is, i always appreciate seeing a new perspective. love your vids!

[@DeskFanMan87]

Thank you!

[@fungames1631]

Personally, I don't think the Crying Child/Dave/Garrett, whatever his name is, is not the runaway kid. Because it defeats the whole purpose of why he was scared, Misunderstood. He misunderstood something that was seen in the shadows and easily got scared and cried. If he saw a creepy purple bear or the dead body of Charlie (which some people think.) That is not misunderstood that he can be bullied by that?!?!? To me, I feel like Michael is the runaway kid and saw Shadow Freddy.

[@alesm9666]

Probably what he "misunderstood" (following that logic) was who caused Charlie's death, in his eyes it was an animatronic who caused his death, because he did not see the complete scenario, he only saw a little girl with an animatronic on top of her, so he would blame the animatronics and that would be the reason why he is so afraid of them. He mistakenly thought it was an animatronic who kills her and not William (bc he didn't see the whole scene), plus that would explain why there are so many rumors in FNAF 4 about animatronics and hiding bodies in suits.

[@fungames1631]

@@alesm9666 But like, what would they make rumors about a dead child being killed by a animatronic, wouldn't that make people scared and possibly shut down Fredbear's for that?! And also get bullied and not get serious about that?? it's a dead body!!? no matter who the cause of that?? And William (Orange Guy) doesn't seem to be panicking, he just seems annoyed by him going "that place again". I'm sorry, but I just don't see that to be the case and it's ruined the whole premise of his fears, being misunderstood by something that is harmless. NOT A DEAD BODY, NOR WHO THE CAUSE OF THIS! Because many people don't take it seriously and make bullshit rumors about it as if that's harmless.

[@alesm9666]

@@fungames1631 Throughout the FNAF saga there are rumors of deaths, after the MCI there are and still people went to the location of 87, in help wanted the game itself is about covering up the events with unfounded rumors. William referring to going to "that place again" may refer to the fact that he used to go to Fredbears, which is why he would (hypothetically) stumble upon the scene of Charlotte's death.

[@fungames1631]

@@alesm9666 Okay, you have a point there. But tbh, I don't think that is what Scott is referring to, and I just don't think that C.C. saw Charlie's Dead Body as his misunderstanding of the killer because that just contradicts how other people act in FNaF 4, as they are not taking it seriously. Personally, I think we already saw what C.C. misunderstood in the shadows as just William putting someone in a Springbonnie suit Easter egg as it's telling that someone is putting on a spring-lock suit and C.C. saw in the shadows and probably other kids as they made rumors about it to make it scary. Again, this is just my opinion, and I'm very sorry if I was mean or if I lash out this way. I just really don't like that theory. And I think Michael being the runaway kid fits better for his character.

[@alesm9666]

​@@fungames1631 No problem! I don't 100% agree with this theory either, but I see it as a possibility considering the different interpretations that can be given to the phrase and that at least, narratively speaking, it would be very interesting Regarding the other thing, I'm not sure if CC's trauma is related to seeing the workers put on the springlocks suits considering that in the minigame he doesn't show any reaction to the easter egg but It's totally valid if you see it that way and I see your vision, if I'm honest I think CC's trauma could be related to something he saw at the fallfest (because of the implications in TCoD), but it's my personal opinion hehe.

[@Funtime_Fredd]

I have a Fnaf Theory with no evidence: Sammy Emily was kidnapped and tortured as an experiment by William Afton and when he was done with him he let Michael Afton do the Bite of 83 prank only for Michael to regret his actions and bring Sammy Emily to the hospital with a deactivated Funtime Freddy for emotional support only for Funtime Freddy to steal away Sammy Emily’s dead body after he went flatlining in the hospital. Only evidence I actually do have is that The Crying Child was kidnapped by William Afton in the Fnaf movie and that William Afton kidnapped Charlie Emily in the Silver Eyes trilogy, but no mention of who exactly William Afton kidnaps in Midnight Motorist because it’s implied he did kidnap someone just not really whom exactly he kidnapped. The only other evidence besides all that is of course Dittophobia (apologies for misspelling) where William Afton “supposedly” kidnapped a child named Rory and he used to the Nightmare Gas from sister location on Rory to make him hallucinate mannequins in what seems to be a bunker of some kind(what everyone thought was the Afton House). In Dittophobia it’s said Rory was in that place for over a decade, but it feels as though for The Crying Child that either the experiment was interrupted or something bad happened… I’m leaning towards the “something bad that happened” was The Bite of 1983. That’s it, that’s all I got. Have a nice day. 😅

[@DeskFanMan87]

Oh wow that is a lot of pieces put in a very different order than I’ve ever heard. I actually kinda like the kidnapping angle, but I dunno about the rest. Still cool tho.

[@GiovanniEsmieu]

I just need to say this, The crying child is not the runaway, it's Michael And Michael isn't the person sitting on the couch watching TV Siresquawks made a video about it a year ago and in the beginning he said "I solved FNAF, deal with it!" Plus people who mostly runaway from home are mostly pre-teens or teenagers, not little kids

[@DeskFanMan87]

I’ve seen that video, I still disagree the runaway is Mike, but I get the teen argument.

[@alesm9666]

In the books, 8-year-old Timmy runs away from his grandparents' house which is located in the middle of nowhere, it's not that far-fetched to think that CC would escape from home, especially when it's a place where he receives mistreated, it is a natural behavior of children, not just adolescents.