How Much Does a Honda-Swapped Ferrari Weigh? The "244 GTK" Hits the Scales

[@Iowa599]

“Simplify, then add lightness” "Adding power makes you faster on the straights; subtracting weight makes you faster everywhere" (Colin Chapman, founder of Lotus)

[@wayland7150]

He then regretted that his cars did not protect the driver.

[@downtoearthconstruction7768]

I can appreciate a good KZbinr's video. All the money in camera gear, time setting up and documenting every little detail, and editing. Editing iam sure takes up a good bit of that time aswell and being creative. I can't believe it weighed in at 1964lbs. Just... wow man! This build has gotten me so excited to see, can only imagine how good all this hard work feels this far along.

[@alphaboltz]

Dude that is impressive, shaving that much weight is a lot. The rough calculation is that every 8lbs consumes one hp. I know that is a very standard throw at the wall number, but that’s gaining roughly 125hp just on weight alone. If you end up with a car 1000lbs lighter.

[@42Hertzer]

Check this out! :) kzbin.info/www/bejne/qGqVmqGqabB-kM0

[@n0tch66]

Classic nerdy car builder, expecting 2300lb, hoping for 2200llb, gets 1900lb. 5 mins later, "So, how can we make it lighter? Composite doors! Billet suspension! Lexan!" Brilliant.

[@thijsmulder7581]

I follow you for awhile now and it just amazes me how high the quality of the film and editing every time is. In my opinion, you’ve raised the bar significantly compared to other (car)KZbinrs I’m submitted too. Best regards from the Netherlands 💪🏼

[@righthoekstra]

Lexan windows is weight saving up high, instead of uprights or controlarms, Either way, great numbers so far!

[@TheBCninja]

Uprights and control arms are unsprung mass, so just as important if not more important than the window mass high in the CG. Maybe just do both :)

[@righthoekstra]

@@TheBCninja Thought unsprung mass were moving parts like axle, brakes and wheels, But I agree on both! First make the car driveable though

[@TheBCninja]

@@righthoekstra so the uprights are kind of what connect everything together in terms of suspension, hubs, wheels, and brakes. So they are unsprung. And the A-arms are a portion of the mass on the shocks, but I think that's distributed with its connection with the chasis too. I'll let a mechanical engineer chime in there 🙂

[@VincesDIYs]

1:1 - that is Koenigsegg territory!!!

[@ioiwut4874]

11:11 man i just LOVE the conviction that comes so naturally to you. i saw right there a man that genuinely had to limit himself just to not out do himself lol. maybe thats just all in my head but it felt like to me the question wasn't ever if its possible, but if its worth it for fun. and the fact that this is what's valued most is what i respect the most. i actually have to remind myself [pretty much every upoad] that this is all a pretty frikken huge project. don't wanna say something cheesey like 'you make it look easy' but i definitely appreciate how you manage to make me think "oh yeah when you explain it like that i can probably do that too" which ofc is mostly my ego talking out its ass.. but to feel so confident about something which i have literally zero experience in is rare. and i have to credit that partly to your pursuit of perfection, be it blessing or curse lol

[@mollybaumann415]

It's amazing how much the little things add up. When you stay focused on shaving ounces everywhere it ends up making a huge difference.

[@rodney6551]

Bro get your nerd on loved this video. So cool to watch this car come along and to drop some weight. Just like everyone else out there following this build I am unbelievably stoked to see this build get finished up.

[@moejasss]

862 kg is incredible, even at this point!

[@kai_444]

it could have a 1:1 power to weight ratio

[@ianmoone6562]

@Jim jibroni 1000 KG 1000 HP

[@ravaz58]

@Jim jibroni kg:hp, not lbs:hp.

[@moejasss]

@@kai_444 it's going to be wild

[@unchartedgroupielove]

Lol kg not dork pounds . Get with the times

[@vdfritzz]

10:20 finally a weight i understand 1000kg is very very light omg

[@mrmcbeardy9268]

Mate, as a modifier and restorer of machines myself (motorcycles) and a self-declared annoyer of purists, I have been following your Ferrari project with fervor. The weight saving is spectacular, and the performance combination, I feel, is going to make this one extraordinarily fast car. It's looking awesome mate 👌🏻💯🙌

[@mrrbb2028]

There is a video on YT from a Lotus Elise with a k20 and a quaife sequential gearbox. It sounds nuts and fast asf. Can’t wait till yours is done ✅

[@Stealthgate007]

Isuzu VehiCross... One of the most futuristic "Before it's time" SUV. There's always been something about it that intrigued me.

[@logan-taylor]

hearing “over the next several years of projects here on the channel” @3:35 made me so happy - thanks for taking us along for the ride!

[@angeloah]

Good on ya, that’s a substantial amount out. I was hella surprised when I hit the scale up by my house and the weight I had cut. It’s a good feeling. 2290 with me and 60lbs of garbage in the trunk. In a civic sedan. Enjoy my dude.

[@abattain]

One of my fav projects on KZbin the craftsmanship is amazing

[@sladeb6036]

I'd say I can't wait to see this beautiful beast finally done but I can wait an I have been for over a year an if it takes another year that's fine with me I'll be here. Keep doing you friend.

[@terribleturtle3489]

Keep up the good work! And the ramblings lol. If you didn't ramble people's complain that you didn't speak enough. You're crushing it Mike! Thanks for the time and effort spent to entertain us!

[@brockcampbell8727]

Great job so far. Don't apologize for the "rambling". Lots of us like the details. Looking forward to seeing it drive!

[@amgguy4319]

Excellent! I've got the same tires on a car, you really won't find anything much lighter. Its gunna come in at about 2550 unless you remove and replace steel reinforcement areas with lighter tube steel. Remember, Porsche put a decal emblem one of its cars because it was lighter than the metal badge...lol.

[@thomaslathrop270]

Hey Mike. Don't forget you have to level the scale pads before getting usable corner weight data! Without leveling them, overall weights are still accurate, but not individual corner weights.

[@wildperformance2497]

Congratulations on buying the Proform Scales (got my wireless Proform scales for almost five years now and the wireless connection was fine, only troubles I got basically were with little shitty on/off switches on the scales), which then fuels our possesion with knowing the weight of everything we are working with :D and of course the almost final weight, that really promises to be the all around weapon of a car!!!

[@Rob-vv5yn]

Lexan rear window, side rears, leave the door glass and windshield for practicality. Carbon side mirrors and smaller. There’s a good bit of weight in the steel uprights go billet. The light weight seats is also a easy option I think your current is quite heavy. Look at lighter horn and wiper set up if you still have them.

[@Matty.Hill_87]

Just found your channel, but I'm loving working my way through your videos watching how you got to this point

[@nicholaschriss1706]

One horsepower per kilo would be an amazing achievement. That's pure hyper-car territory on a street registered vehicle. I hope you get there bro.

[@jefferadus8582]

Don't forget the paint weight ;)

[@xN1NJ4smurfx]

Love the excitement on your face and in your voice when you saw that weight!! Great ep

[@shafferjoe1962]

Dude 1965, who would have guessed. I am shocked that you did not scream with excitement when you seen that number. Ramble away, as it is well deserved. My guess was 2313 when done, who knows, maybe you will hit that number? Once again, congrats and cannot wait to see the next video. Be blessed brother...

[@Levibetz]

I hadn't really been following til I listened to the HP academy podcast, dude I totally get it now. Holy shit what a savings. This is a perfect example of my philosophy on weight savings which is to knock out the biggest things first. For example, if you wanted to build a lightweight race car with no other constraints or goals, a small car with a two stroke snowmachine engine is the ultimate, you can pull massive massive weight out of the drivetrain. To some degree, that's what you've done here! Very cool shit. You've got a car with glass, steel suspension, very normal componentry that's easily fabbed, replaced, serviced with just a massive massive savings. Excellent.

[@RandomGuyDan]

This episode made me look up the specs on my '72 MGB-GT. I know that the factory weight is just over 2400lbs and my sense was that is was smaller than the Ferrari, but that could have been because of the blockier shape. But my sense was correct, my car has a 1" shorter WB, is about 14" shorter overall (much shorter front and rear overhangs) and 7" narrower. It is 6" taller though (the GT is a 3 door hatchback). Interestingly despite being smaller, 4 6-4 250lb frame fits just fine, something that I do not believe would be true with the 308. An 800lb difference in weight is pretty amazing, especially when you consider that the MG engine is all cast iron and quite heavy, the alloy 3.5 V8 from a Range Rover weighs about the same as the 1.8L B series 4. A GM 60 degree V6 like the 2.8 from the Fiero or 3.1/3.4 from the Camaro only weighs about 65lbs more. Ferrari definitely could have benefited from some Lotus like attention to weight.

[@vinnyl.6047]

The "244 GTK" moniker is absolutely incredible. Everything about this project is pushing me to get my project out of design and into the fabrication stage. Keep up the amazing work!

[@joshuaszeto]

that weight is insane especially once you factor in how much power you will be running. even 500hp would be sheer insanity. And you are dropping mad hints on your next build aren't you? Can hardly wait to see footage on that one

[@stanceworks]

I have dropped a lot of hints but it’s not the Vehicross in the background.

[@joshuaszeto]

@@stanceworks please do videos on that one too then lol. Since you have all this extra weight to work with, do you suppose gussets in the engine bay would help since the frame was designed for a fraction of the power you're planning on running. The oem Ferrari frame seems thin

[@stanceworks]

The chassis has a lot of extra metal back there now :)

[@d.dexter1120]

Nice job Mike. I can’t help but wonder if that one scale is still bad though. The low reading moved with the scale…unless that scale is short, you’d think the light corner would stay in the same location. I hope not, but a quick test of a known weight would confirm. Good luck!

[@stanceworks]

The scales positions were switched but I didn’t unplug them and swap wires. So the movement of the weight on the screen - follow the colored wires to the pads. It’s reading correctly 👍

[@jnxmck]

2/3rds of the way through the video and I thought back to your HP estimations, definitely gotta go for 1000kg and 1:1, but that thing is going to be insane no matter what!

[@theautomotivetrainer]

Congrats on the weight. As the build progresses I am becoming more curious for the next video. Building and filming is great quality. Probably go for Lexan 3mm, the weight save is huge as I know of earlier builds I have done. Doors of carbon you can make yourself. You can find how in lots of KZbin videos Saves a lot of money since you have the originals to copy. Nicest is that you get the moulds! Keep up the good work greetings Walter

[@ssoffshore5111]

Easier said than done, but you're right!

Working in aerospace really drives home the value of saved weight. Every single person I work with in the field is trying to shave every corner, eliminate un-necessary components and exploring lighter materials. It gives a new perspective to performance and fuel savings that can be designed into something without actually doing anything to increase power output or powerplant efficiency. I might watch the channel to try and escape work a little, but seeing your true joy in getting surprisingly low numbers makes it worth it. Much better than disappointment in not making your target.

[@BoPunk]

Nic, not hitting "targets" should not devalue the work you do. The sum is greater than the parts...

[@channghiem5012]

I'm disabled Merican now i have little to look forward to but i look forward to new videos this by far my favorite series!

[@4Gunzo]

That is amazing anything under 2500 lbs is nothing short of incredible. It’ll be a monster when you get going I can’t wait till then. Super exciting

[@jamesflores007]

I recently found you channel but you better believe I watch every second! Cant wait to see that thing completed!

[@Dany-oj2jv]

Love this built,thank you so much for sharing with us bro,i been following this built from the begining... thumbs up... 👍

[@timmason5230]

WooHoo! Thanks Mike. There are probably a tonne of options in the States but Brypar in Australia for superb quality billet hubs that won't break the bank. Also a very clever one man band like you ;)

[@JoshuaRosaaen]

Super excited to see final weight...great project...keep up the good work

[@mason4683]

I wouldnt do composite doors unless you have a cross bar to protect you. That steel door is probably the only safety item on the entire car besides the seatbelts

[@JamesWebbFitness]

Love it! Chasing weight on a race car is an exponential cost curve. It starts out cheap, removing unnecessary items, then gets more expensive, replacing really heavy items for lighter components, then gets absurd expensive chasing pounds by replacing 'light' items with lighter items lol. Good luck my man, I love this build so much.

[@Michael_Lorenson]

Congratulations and well done. EDIT: Oh, and you have _totally_ justified cutting up a vintage Ferrari.

[@autopassion27]

That's a great weigh!!! The ratio weigh/performance is very interesting 😉

[@woznaldo]

What a great result! I’m a bit weight obsessed when it comes to cars as it’s key to increasing all round performance. Power to weight, unsprung mass, rotational mass, polar moment of inertia, etc! I agree with the areas of the car that could lose some more weight but hold off on suspension components until you are dialled in. It’s not too expensive to remake steel arms for geometry improvements but to have aluminium machined is not a cheap endeavour!

[@adamfarkasbdp]

Thank you for including metric numbers!

[@PedroFTeixeira]

The biggest problem is with the wheels and tires. That affects acceleration and brakiing so much, alot more than the chassis weight it self. You could try to run something smaller and narrower.

[@dr1ver267]

That’s freaking sick! Way lighter than I expected!

[@owensparks5013]

Nice, and thanks for taking the time to include kg. 👍

[@sebastianbunea5174]

Always looking forward to seeing your videos. I'm also extremely satisfied that you're showing the weight in kg as well, I feel at peace with it personally lol.

[@adrianreyno1]

Bro, I was bitting about 2200 lbs. But 1966, is crazy. That's amazing, this Ferrari is going to be a bullet on the track with 600 HP. I can't wait to see it on a race course, it's going to handle so freak'n awesome. Finished, 2400 lbs...too easy.

[@RogueViirus12]

A late view today because I was stuck at the office, but hey, my merch also got here! Having a great evening opening the package and watching the episode. Man I've gotten so used to seeing the car in it's current state, that flashback to it's original form looks so foreign. It's come a long way! Super stoked that it came to such a low weight, even a predicted weight under your ideal weight! This thing is going to rip around the track. I'm not sure I'd go down the super weight savings rabbit hole just yet myself though. It'd get pricey fast. Definitely agree with your choice of wired scales though. A common thing in engineering is to cut down the amount of failure points, and a wireless set would just add a ton of them. Plus it's much easier/cheaper to replace damaged cables than an circuit board assembly!

[@UnsponsoredBuilds]

Found your KZbin channel from the awesome podcast you did on the high performance academy! Loving the channel so far!

[@lucasdelfino5358]

Man, when I saw the size of that rubber I got STOKED! Can’t wait to see this beauty from behind!

[@toddpercox9017]

That’s super light! My 95 Honda Civic with a b16 swap, lightweight wheels and carbon hood Weighed 2350 with me in it at 155 lb body weight.

[@artysanmobile]

Weight reduction in a racing car has a recursive effect. E.g., coming in 400lbs light means the suspension, brakes, even the chassis, are considerably over-engineered, each dealing with significantly less stress than they were designed to do. For me, that points the finger for additional reduction squarely at those parts. Wheels, control arms would be top of my list, each bringing multiple advantages. Congrats on this milestone.

[@alastairbrown9528]

Congrats. Also love the Isuzu VehiCROSS in the background.

[@lancelaprarie6128]

Lol. Love the vehicross in the background. Super cool.

[@erickvond6825]

Just to throw this out there, body panels can be remade. If you take a negative mold off the original panel it's easy and worth it to remake those panels from carbon fiber or another composite. I know carbon is expensive but it's the lightest of the composites. With 3M panel bond or their chassis weld bond epoxy you can shave at least another 350lbs off from the replacement of the metal panels from the build. I won't fault you if you decide against it. That's a massive undertaking for an already long build project. It's also really expensive and I wouldn't blame you for not wanting to deal with any of that. Just consider the experience of remaking the doors. It's easy to take negative molds of the outer skin, the inside structure, and even the door card which looks super sick. Throttle Stop Garage's channel has a playlist on an old Volvo which is being rebuilt from composite except for the frame and chassis. It's an interesting process to watch...

[@sudseh]

definitely enjoy the rambling! cheers

[@beobe99]

Props for showing the uneven chair legs to explain the weight distribution issue!

[@XoVoX]

incredible weight loss numbers! I wish I had the skillset to make something like this happen. Good on you.

[@stanceworks]

Anyone can do it! Just dive in.

[@VIPSTYLEUSA]

everything is well made, props to you

[@silvrbreez]

Congrats! Go for the 1:1.

[@Keasbeysknight]

Wow, I did it. I watched them all!!! I'm finally caught up. I wish this series has 100 more episodes. It's great to see a realistic days work and pacing. Awesome content, awesome car!

[@roo3973]

So good to see you happy again after the terrible issues with the wheels.

[@makeitorleaveit1]

That's incredible your work speaks for it's self 💯

[@willjam465]

Very cool. I was not too far off with my estimate in the last video of 2460. Love the goal you are going after...can't to see how this comes together.

[@aarondennis4561]

Count me into that group of nerdy car dudes! That’s a huge difference! Solid work Mike!

[@capnthepeafarmer]

As far as wheel weight, you've already chosen a really good tire! The A052 is MUCH lighter than most other tires in the same load rating. Also, off topic, that little Isuzu on the lift... Has Steph Papadakis given you some inspiration for a little off road fun?

[@TRiablou]

Stance 1to1, great efford excellent result.

[@ssoffshore5111]

Nice work! To put that into perspective, I think my SL-C is around 2250 lbs wet with an aluminum frame, lexan, etc. Granted it does have an A/C system in it and a LS3, but still that's impressive you got it down that low!

[@78Outlaw]

🤩 Amazing weight, stoked for you dude, 1:1 is the holy grail 😎

[@xagvsx1521]

I you can't make it to 1000kg, at least make it 1hp per kg. I'm sure you'll get there! Awesome as always mike. Thanks for sharing. Every hour spent on that project is def worth it.

[@danijuggernaut]

Very cool tool. You will need it later to adjust your suspension.

[@Carshorts864]

When you replace the doors you should consider going with some cool looking 458 Gt3 style mirrors.

[@garagecedric]

That's really promising! Thanks for the metric units /rest of the world

[@Syscrush]

Great result on an important milestone!

[@witchcraftauto]

I love nerding out on stuff like this!

[@samkunugi5319]

That thing is so cool. What Ferrari should have done from the factory. Neat to see how far it’s come!

[@HulluJanne]

Little by little. Have to say I was a bit underwhelmed by the video, but all things considered, it was still very interesting to see the weight and the estimate of the final product. Many projects on KZbin aren't nearly as well documented as this one! And I think it's a really good feature to have. Also the voice overs are by far one of the most professional ones that I know of.

[@dannoyes4493]

Add lightness. Well Done!

[@raverick187]

That 1kg/1bhp ratio would be sick. Plus, if you balance it on 4 equal corners, that would be legendary.

[@88Frank]

Very much appreciated the kg translation 👌

[@kimthomas4320]

Thats awesome man. 1:1 - F1 vibes

[@bloody_pinata]

This is so exciting to watch dude. This really has been amazing to see come together and now to see it's going to lighter than it was ever thought it might realistically be, it's simply brilliant.

[@StephvH87]

Your reaction when you open the box is priceless🤣 thats a positive turn. Love the build keep it up. 😎😉

[@jeremiahhurnblad7916]

Right on buddy, I love to see how excited you are for hitting below the numbers. Your a hard worker keep it up. I enjoy all your content 😊👍🏻

[@Dubsesed]

I never thought in a million years this car would be that light. Congrats Mike, you deserve it.

[@artysanmobile]

Wow!! Big props, congrats.

[@reginaldbowls7180]

Love the vehicross in the background :)

[@coolissimo69]

I am very happy to , with the light weight car. Have a nice Weekend mate.

[@caneryasar]

Thanks for putting kg conversions.

[@staffa007]

Great job!!! Cheers from Italy!

[@neilshupak8603]

Nice fab project. I built a ls corvair 7years ago and took 2.5 years I want a ride in yours

[@gregmcable]

Love your concept for this build and "adding lightness." Or start with a 66 Lotus Elan already waiting for a twin cam 4 of your liking. People would put in used Cosworth BDG's, cheap from retired Formula II cars. 280 hp normally aspirated. Oh, yea, the weight of the fully road legal car was 1560 pounds. (and that was with cast iron block) Colin Chapman new a thing or two...but I'm digressing.