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[@mcc19606]

This is a sensational video. I learned so much more about "Dad" and his journey. Brad must be so proud of Dylan being so involved in the business, what a team. So glad I have been following Black Forest Wood Co. Mike 🇦🇺

[@BlackForestWoodCo]

Thank you so much Mike! Yes, Brad is very proud that Dylan is so involved in the business!

[@Zynn16]

Thanks for showing us around your shop!!! I really love your business and respect the process you all went thru to grow!! Amazing....truly amazing!!!

[@NickRgibbs]

I'm a trades person in Calgary. Your dad's decision to reinvest in the company... Especially during the 07/08 situation... put you on the map like no one else. I was doing homes for the "rich and famous" and within that crowd of NHL players etc. Not a single person cared unless you had a black forest front door... Even today a black forest door is the eveny of custom homes

[@BlackForestWoodCo]

Thank you Nick!! We take a lot of pride in our doors!

[@carleenpring3404]

Wow, that's such an amazing story and a testament to the admiration of your work from others! 🙂

[@BlackForestWoodCo]

@@carleenpring3404 Thank you Carleen! It sure is!!!

[@alexandersangster7137]

You built a shop that will bring your family joy for generations. What could be better than that? Amazing 👏

[@BlackForestWoodCo]

🙌

[@user-jw4fz3sq1w]

You guys are bringing me tears of joy because I applaud your hard work, dedication and loyalty for your family business. How wonderful to see second generation bringing such a cool form and function to the world on such a successful scale! A lot of fun Learning about resin tables. All the best! ❤

[@pickenshovel]

Your Dads definitely a man to be proud of . A true craftsman.

[@BlackForestWoodCo]

Yes definitely!

[@Ofthe7thSon]

And having a great family and awesome friends to work with - and an awesome dog = priceless....

[@Ofthe7thSon]

@@fml5910 WTF, it is a FAMILY run business....!!! Take your asinine hate elsewhere....

[@fml5910]

@@Ofthe7thSon It's not hate, it's the truth!

[@BlackForestWoodCo]

Thanks Andy!! It really is!

[@DallasGarage]

As one of the guys that has the pleasure to work in the back, these machines are a treat to use. The Powermatic Jointer is probably my favorite machine in the shop.

[@BlackForestWoodCo]

Thanks Dallas 😎

[@gregorysquires2685]

I’ve always hoped y’all would do a video like this!!!!! Thank you!!!!! I would have loved to see how your vacuum system is set up & cost!! Y’all have a great weekend!!!

[@BlackForestWoodCo]

Glad you enjoyed!! Maybe we'll show the vacuum system in another video!!

[@jacquiemouton9053]

Wise words from Charlie, as per usual. Interesting to see all the equipment you guys use to turn out all those beautiful pieces. Happy and Blessed Easter to you all. x

[@BlackForestWoodCo]

He's quite an intellectual. Hope you had a good Easter Jacquie!

[@Matthew-id8uu]

Tools are not the only cost. You still need to think about the building,employees,inventory and any other overhead costs. Shops like this are not cheap to start and keep going and profitable.

[@johncotton866]

Thanks for the great video!!! Enjoyed seeing the equipment and tools in your shop. Especially enjoyed that you told us what namebrand equipment you depend on. Keep up the outstanding work. Have a blessed Easter!!!

[@BlackForestWoodCo]

Thank you John! Happy Easter!

[@jimmycrackedcorn226]

Impressive. Your dad is a good man who does excellent work. kudos!

[@BlackForestWoodCo]

Yes, thank you!!

[@aaronkoh8236]

You forgot all the outfeed tables, compressors, cold pouring tables , air-conditioning, dust extractors, other Machines and accessories . That may add up quite abit ☺️. Also not sure if you have forklifts and other vehicles, I am sure you do for moving slabs etc . I think those are part of the business too. Telly them up I think another few hundred k or more ? 👍

[@debbiepoole2247]

A different but interesting video today, and you caught me out being so early. Love Charlie’s closing comments, best way to close a vlog.

[@BlackForestWoodCo]

Thank you Debbie! Glad you enjoyed the different style 😁

[@OSheaWoodworks]

You guys do a great job. I am just starting out and building my first ever dining table.

[@BlackForestWoodCo]

Thank you! Hope our videos were helpful in teaching you some things!

[@carleenpring3404]

Hey Dylan, What a legacy your dad has created! I can't begin to imagine the cost to do what you (and the other guys) do. All sorts of tools and toys and gadgets to get the highest quality finish, incredible!! And that Charlie boy, well, he's as cute as always. Happy Easter to you and your family.

[@BlackForestWoodCo]

Thank you Carleen!! Yeah, Charlie is pretty cute haha!

[@eutrullas]

I have no idea how to work with wood, but I like this channel! It's nice to know about the business and the art process! Great video, I love the fact that Charlie is always on the videos.

[@BlackForestWoodCo]

Thank you Eugenia! 😁

[@fml5910]

You are amazing Eugenia.

[@ronfladell5648]

Nice video Dylan...Congrats on your success and being proud of what your Dad has accomplished thru Hard work..

[@BlackForestWoodCo]

Thank you Ron!

[@bill48m]

shop tour and cost analysis wrapped up, different but enjoyable. have a safe holiday weekend.

[@BlackForestWoodCo]

Thanks Bill! Hope you had a good weekend!

[@jayanderson6222]

Another outstanding video! The one thing you possess that is priceless....you amazing talent! Just outstanding work and next level quality!!

[@BlackForestWoodCo]

Thanks Jay, we really appreciate that!!

[@gabskings]

Love the transparency, good video like always!

[@BlackForestWoodCo]

Thanks Gabriel!

[@li-anderker55]

Great vid, very informative. I could do a lot of that with my hand plane and chisels but it would take a month to do what your machinery accomplishes in 3 minutes. And that is why your Dad is so forward thinking Dylan. And it's kinda obvious he's passed the love of woodworking on to you. Well done Dad.

[@BlackForestWoodCo]

Yes exactly! We don't have enough time to do a lot of this by hand because we are so busy, so the machinery is all a must for us! And yes he certainly has haha

[@josiecapps2555]

My guess is way more money than I have. My son works with wood on his own. He’ll never be what you guys are, and that’s ok. He loves wood, and I do also. I usually have a stone or piece of wood in my hands. I love watching you guys and you’re top notch. And of course love Charlie🐾🥰

[@joeymigues3276]

While serving on my first ship in the US Navy. I was stationed on the USS Sierra AD-18 (a tender) in the carpenter shop. We had a 1940 Oliver 24" jointer, a 1939 36" x9" Oliver planner, a 1950 16" oliver radial arm saw, a mid 1950 oilver 7' x 14" wood lathe, a mid 1950 oilver 16" table saw and a mid 1950 oilver 30" bandsaw. I loved using all of them.

[@BlackForestWoodCo]

That era of machinery is hard to beat

[@joeymigues3276]

@@BlackForestWoodCo the planner was 50 years old when I used it in 1988.

[@miekndestinee]

Thanks guys love to see family business you guys are blessed

[@BlackForestWoodCo]

Thanks for watching and commenting! We certainly are!

[@ronbenson9547]

Thanks for this - very interesting. I can't tell you how many times I have looked at one of these larger tools being used and wondered how much it set you back. I think you forgot to include the dust collection system - that must have been a pretty penny.

[@BlackForestWoodCo]

We did forget! The dust collection was about $25,000 to set up!

[@randallwilkie4658]

Happy to hear you mention Terry. I took a few turning courses from Terry at your shop and I was wondering if he was still involved in the business. I love the Laguna 12/16 lathe that I bought from you guys.

[@robintaylor-mockingeemill8223]

Trucks , trailers , buildings and most costs not accounted for . Great insight on your machine costs . Hope it helps explain why tables cost what you openly show looks like things are going well out west . thanks for another great video , Haley .

[@BlackForestWoodCo]

Yes good point, And yes hopefully it does haha Thanks Robin!!

[@rumpple4skin976]

Brad your Company has grown from your discipline to re invest in yourself and it shows not only in your work but also in your family and I am glad to have witnessed it, and to have seen it for myself when I stopped by I wish you all great success, and happiness. I am a big fan not only because I'm Albertan but because I share the same vision of quality work and friendly service . great Video guys.

[@BlackForestWoodCo]

Thank you so much man. Please stop by again soon! It has been a pleasure to have your constant support!

[@marianhood1025]

I can be a bit of a tool nerd so I really enjoyed seeing your set-up in detail. Thanks.

[@BlackForestWoodCo]

Thank you for watching!!

[@NickRgibbs]

@@BlackForestWoodCo This video covers the big ticket items. But after the opportunity to walk the shop you left so much out... Like the shelving costs more than your “chisel drawer" etc. What about the forklift... What is the op cost for utilities or wages per month?

[@jumpingjacks5558]

This was an excellent video. It's really interesting to see the costs of the machines. Thanks for showing

[@BlackForestWoodCo]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@13daniel1974]

Love them old radial arm saws...actually, love all those old heavy tools. They NEVER wear out.

[@jamesbarisitz4794]

Spiral cutters with rotatable inserts are amazing. Laguna is a great value reliable product. Nice tour.✌

[@BlackForestWoodCo]

Thanks James!! And yes Laguna is!!

[@jeanhorne5893]

Awesome shop tour .God bless you all and your family too.Have a blessed and Happy Resurrection day Sunday.God bless

[@BlackForestWoodCo]

Thanks Jean! I'm late but I hope you had a nice Easter!

[@cattac6]

Oh,Oh,Oh,Oh, now that is a great vid Dylan. I love woodwork machinery and you have some good stuff there. It's been a few years since I used one of the triple drum sanders but boy are they the ducks nuts. Did you forget the fork lift, pallet jack and dust extractor system? Glad to hear that you are all busy. It seems that the company is going ahead in leaps and bounds. I wish you all the success you deserve and more. Did the hairdresser open yet? Hard to tell who is Dylan and who is Charlie! Thanks heaps, Michael.

[@TDTMovie]

Man, I wanted to see the dust collection system running there!

[@BlackForestWoodCo]

We forgot about it! It cost us about $25,000 to set up! We’ll cover it in another video!

[@NickRgibbs]

@@BlackForestWoodCo When you cover that give us thoughts about tin ducting vs plastic please?

[@dinotom1]

Those vintage Dewalt Radial arm saws are the best, especially the older ones. I’ve restored GE, GW, GP models. They work flawlessly when fully reconditioned.

[@30dayride67]

After all of that, you also need a place with enough space to house and efficiently use each of those machines! Not to mention the skills and artistic ability because no matter how much you spend on machines (short of a fully robotic factory maybe) they don't design and produce quality original works of functional art all by themselves. It is also helpful to keep all body parts firmly attached by knowing how to safely use all of it. Absolutely love watching all your various designs come to life! You're a very skilled and talented bunch!

[@scottmedori1437]

Really enjoyed the tour. I have taken several courses at the store, and have to say, the equipment, is first class. Add on the rent, taxes, and wood inventory, it makes a person realize why the cost of material

[@BlackForestWoodCo]

Thanks Scott!! Glad you enjoy taking our courses, hope to see you again when we can safely run classes again!!

[@ericsalkeld7146]

Watching as you went and was waiting for you to add in the dust system! Clamps as well add a big chunk of cash.

[@BlackForestWoodCo]

Yes very true!

[@donedwards9412]

Thanks so much guys. I've often wondered what a ball park figure on your wood inventory would be, especially after watching your visits to California and B.C.

[@BlackForestWoodCo]

Maybe that’s what we’ll do next!

[@alisyed9856]

Really cool ! Thank you!

[@jlewiswoodworking7731]

Seems like you undervalued a lot about the shop. Missed a lot of tools, shop equipment, storage, shop space, missed tools, dust collection....I was expecting at least double to 4x on that end price cause I know the value of what you guys got and are doing. Still neat to see and those big tools make me jealous:)

[@dptp9lf]

As a local boy, i stop in on occasion to buy my wood and supplies. I usually go over to the shop door and gaze in at all the busy work going on and dream a bit. I would have guessed much higher on the investment and im sure it is when you consider all the man hours and extra tools i.e. like dust collection saw blades, cutters, sand paper etc. I love puppies comments as well(sorry can't remember his/her name)

[@bhcraft1841]

Thanks so much for the video! What program do you use for programming the CNC? Thanks!

[@MissouriGunnerKC]

Awesome video, loved watching this!

[@BlackForestWoodCo]

Thanks so much!!

[@bnelly1987]

Best video yet! No one ever wants to talk real numbers. Appreciate the video.

[@BlackForestWoodCo]

Thanks Bryan!!!

[@catchepicair]

Fantastic video. I'm just starting out on my journey and that was quite an eye opener, I'm in Scotland so no fear of competition. Thanks for being so open when many would regard it as their company "secrets". I'd be interested to know how the CNC machine got you through the recession, was it diversification? What aspects of the machine and its capabilities and how? Maybe an idea for a future video is how you source your consumables and raw products such as resin, (you've already covered wood) what you did to find the suppliers, is it as simple as an extensive google search?

[@BlackForestWoodCo]

Thank you!! We try to be as transparent as we can! The CNC helped through the recession because it can do so much work and you don't need a ton of people to run it. So we didn't need to hire more people to get more work done. It cuts door components faster than anyone could by hand, flattens slabs, etc. Yeah, that could be interesting! Maybe we'll show that in the future!

[@Goalsplus]

Thanks very much for the exposure. I reckon if you had to replace it all new including all the things you missed like saw blades, tables, racks and so on we'd surely have to be looking around $2 million. Please tell me you have plenty of insurance. Oh, plus all the stock of materials it's mind boggling how well Brad has done.

[@chrisshannonmoeller781]

Now I need to take a second and third mortgage on my house... nice equipment!

[@Baziell]

I enjoyed that, I'm trying to get informed about setting up a shop myself. The wide belt sander / planer you talked about briefly is something I'm looking at aswell, do you think that wide of a planer would be able to flatten an epoxy table top înstead of that big cnc you're using at the moment? Or what do you guys intend to use it for? Thanks.

[@dragonlotion1789]

We have a Dewalt radial arm saw of the same generation. In fact it’s. Few years older and whoever designed the bearings on that saw deserve an Engineering award. We beat the crap out of it and only use it to cut live edge lumber. You can walk away after making a cut and take a dump and that blade will still be spinning and I mean slowly there is no momentum built up on the blade at that point DeWalt might as week have been a different company back then

[@Darren_Barclay]

Easy half a mil, but that’s a lifetime of building and collecting those tools, it takes hard work so good on yous.

[@kiligr633]

Awesome video guys! Could you maybe also make a video on how to actually run a woodworking business like yours? That'd be great!

[@BlackForestWoodCo]

Thank you!! Yeah we could do a video about that!!

[@ivangutierrez3801]

Very Good Video, Amazing Shop !!

[@BlackForestWoodCo]

Thanks so much Ivan!

[@johnlyn1]

Sawstop must have come down a lot on their prices since. I just spec'd out their top of line 7.5HP and added every option available plus every blade offered, zero inserts, dust collection and the sliding table option. $6,768. You can get two of these for under $14,000.

[@farmhandluke5182]

Great video ,! Your family has put together one fine shop with top quality machines and tools , and that’s what it takes to turn out the high quality pieces you produce! Cost of shop tools and machine not counting land and building and inventory of the most beautiful slabs of wood to be had🤤 over $500.000. Being able to work along side your father everyday. And have a great bunch of skilled employees and the greatest shop dog ever 🐶 =$ PRICELESS. 👍

[@BlackForestWoodCo]

Thank you so much Luke!

[@deathfrombeloved]

Dylan with the wicked flow right now

[@lucasmurphy3890]

Haha fr

[@BlackForestWoodCo]

Hahaha should I cut it or keep it going?

[@lucasmurphy3890]

@@BlackForestWoodCo Keep it but make sure you don't let it get greasy. Absolutely rockin it

[@philipvale1674]

Hi, Black Forest. Very impressive workshop but then you have to take in consideration of your buildings your insurances whether you lease them or whether you build them, it is a huge investment. I am retired living in France and I've been working for myself in the UK for best part of 40 ideas I think in the last 15 years I've spent somewhere in the region of £60-£70,000 like you were saying about your CNC router tables you buy the machine and then you've got your components cut a heads et cetera to go with it will soon build up a cost of spares and pieces to use with it, I still have some of my equipment playing I think it's the same model as yours or same brand as yours The difference being I type in thickness I want to finish it and then press button and it goes to that setting, I have an old Watkin EKA tenant machine , which I picked up reasonably cheap just over £1000 but it's all the tooling that goes with it I think this is approaching around about £10,000 with the cutter blocks and all the individual cutters that go with it some that I only used once for one customer job, I like you say festool is a very good make of hand tools, I have a small one which I think is a series 1000 I think it is and I've got the 2200 I believe it's called + the Mafell I believe this is the biggest hand held horsepower router you can get, I have the same make door lock mortising machine and one of the handheld tenoning machines as well. And I was just a one man band but I was doing some special serious work barn conversions where I would like the windows and the doors and specialist joinery bits and pieces weather for stairs cabinets bookcases et cetera, i'm approaching 70 years old and I still wish I was back at work especially now as I'm living by myself in France, Keep up the great work stay safe wear a defenders eye protection and face masks were needed it is extremely important as later in life you will suffer for it, Phil from the Moulin in France. 👴🤔😎🖖👍 as they say live long and prosper.

[@nancystonge9500]

I’d be very interested in knowing about the ventilation/dust collection system.

[@josiecapps2555]

Hi Charlie 🐾💕🐾💕🐾great video

[@BlackForestWoodCo]

Thanks Josie 😁

[@michimiller3174]

In germany a 31inch jointer is normal. I think we have much bigger Maschines like tablesaws and 5 axis cnc's. But we dont have such beautiful wood species and sices for the slabs like you Guys have. Keep it up :) nice work greetings from germany!

[@mitchellbender2722]

Ohhhh I bet you guys missed me. Not only do I love some Brad content which I know you guys thought of me during the production of this video, I’ve actually done a lot of work on a Rover B from Biesse at my workshop so I love some CNC talk.

[@BlackForestWoodCo]

Haha, was this enough Brad content for you? And yeah Biesse is awesome!

[@mitchellbender2722]

Brad content=#1 on trending page

[@BlackForestWoodCo]

@@mitchellbender2722 Haha it should be

[@alfredthor1218]

I hope u guys grow and grow and grow. U make beautiful stuffs.

[@BlackForestWoodCo]

Thanks Alfred! We hope so too!

[@kakashykun]

Wise final words from Charlie as usual 👌 can I come hang out with you guys 🙃

[@HermanWoodworks]

So....your personal opinion between the festool rotex sanders and the mirka? Great video and inspirational to all us small timers!

[@crafts_avenue]

man and he calls it a shop! I wonder what it makes my work place? a pebble? but aside that do you recomend a mirka sander for an amateur woodwroker? nice shop thou I'd love to have tour.

[@TokyoCraftsman]

What does your Dust Collector cost? Consumables? Sandpaper, saw blades, bandsaw blades etc. Other things like forklifts etc. I show up at a client's house to demo their bathroom and renovate it with over $10,000 in tools easy. Most people have no idea what good tools cost, but usually, they are worth every penny. Hats off to your dad for building a great business for you and your family, providing good jobs for so many as well. Cheers from Tokyo! Stu

[@michaeledlin9995]

Cheap tools costs more because they will not hold up to day In/day out use. It has taken me half my life to get the right tools.. Custom tooling ain't cheap by no means. I'm sure you know.

[@brianwestveer9532]

Love the tools

[@BlackForestWoodCo]

Thanks Brain!

[@vinmad6669]

Very cool ~~~~~~ Love ur channel Thanks guys °°°°° stay safe #peacelovehealthnhappines

[@BlackForestWoodCo]

Thank you! You too!!

[@kirkyorg7654]

i remember back in 1981/82 a friends dad offered me 10 k $ to buy the machines to start a wood shop as an investment but i admit i was too chicken shit to take someone else's 10 k as a 20 year old and risk it so i passed sometimes i wonder where it would have taken me 10 k wont get you very far today lmao might pay 2 months rent on the shop lol great video guys stay safe all

[@oddjobkia]

RE- Festoolo... some times you do just buy a name (Snap-On comes to mind)... However when it comes to the Kapex saw... It is a different beast, having used a range of dewalt and Bosch ones for years I was sceptical about the Festool one, but it is like using a surgeons scalpel, compared to the blunt force trauma of a Dewalt... the irony caveat is robustness, if you have a workshop and set it it up once then leave it then its perfect, if however you are are on building site I would probably still go for a dewalt one..

[@stewartrizzi6779]

Hey bloke, how about the main shop dust extraction? That would add up too.

[@jamesferguson6583]

Didn’t see you add in the panel saw

[@zafarsyed6437]

Just the machines, accessories, basic tools, dust collector and connections= $750K. But, it would be very difficult to calculate workbenches, storage units, lumber, hardware, expendables, and not to mention the building and added improvements...

[@danhunik7949]

Interesting video. Steve Ramsey from woodworking for mere mortals had a few videos on how to set up a woodworking shop for about a $1000. Your shop is at the other end of the price scale of that shop. Nice to see all the eye candy in your shop.

[@Ebaybbq]

I’m sure your father is very proud of you, cheers

[@BlackForestWoodCo]

Thanks Malik!

[@DaAndy]

very interesting! do you know how much the big dust collector on which the CNCs are plugged in cost? lg Andy

[@BlackForestWoodCo]

Our dust collection setup for the whole shop cost us about $25,000!

[@DaAndy]

@@BlackForestWoodCo thank you for your answer :) -a bit more than mine😅😅 lg

[@patholland8835]

Your dust collection and other things cordless drills bits etc would add significantly to the cost

[@daganael]

a huge amount you forgot is the space to hold all that :P great shop !

[@BlackForestWoodCo]

Haha yes! Thank you!!

[@timemachineeddie1146]

Awesome.

[@BlackForestWoodCo]

Thank you! Cheers!

[@whitehurstathome]

The saw stop site says the 7.5hp industrial saw is around $7300, not $14000.

[@compub3ar]

Your tour: "This machine cost about as much as our house" My tour: "I found this at the ReStore on sale"

[@BlackForestWoodCo]

🤣

[@bsr8129]

what about the dust collector system

[@keansalzer8364]

How many square feet of workshop do you have? Any idea what that cost to build? Also would like to know what your electricity bill is every month.

[@garrydye2394]

The most valuable thing there is your father's knowledge. Most people think, "If I had all that machinery than I could do the same thing." Wrong. The success rate of small business making it 10 years is 1 in 400. The average internet website brings in less than $400 revenue a month. And it only takes one generation on average to run a business into the ground. You understanding both your fathers knowledge and sacrifice he made to make that company what it is today is what will make it succeed when he retires. Not the equipment.

[@n4wood499]

What happen to the sliding tablesaw?

[@steveluepke9654]

I actually thought it would be more

[@JasonPeltier]

What kind of power requirements do you guys have? Your electric bill must be kinda pricey. Any of those machine require 3 phase 220v?

[@wojtekp5684]

impressive

[@BlackForestWoodCo]

Thank you!

[@zacharynm11]

It looks like you guys have grown a bunch since the 2500 sq ft. shop your dad mentioned earlier in the video, and you still don’t have room for a bigger CNC! What’s the size of your current shop now?

[@jcpallitto]

Great vid! You forgot the cost of clamps and sawhorses...

[@BlackForestWoodCo]

My bad!! Haha good point

[@bigjmacg]

What about your dust collection system?? $40,000+ would be my guess.

[@DsHardWoodCreations]

What about the dust collection?

[@michaeledlin9995]

The base tools are not what costs so much. It is the tooling. A 10 foot piece of matching trim can cost 500.00.

[@bigassslabs-chainsawmillin8461]

Quite surprised it came in that low. My initial thought was closer to $1 million. I bet if you actually had to go out today and replace everything in the shop you wouldn't have much change left from a million.

[@eugenetrollip751]

Well over Mil dollars. And Charlie - priceless!

[@BlackForestWoodCo]

Haha yes Charlie really is priceless

[@Connorsdaddy12062008]

I'm sure the cost of the building should be taken into account, when figuring your over numbers.

[@cuebj]

5 minutes in: four items of equipment to prep any wood. Add TIME and space. Time to have the wood settle in your shop environment in 2 or 3 stages of reducing it. Space to store wood while it settles and to keep offcuts so you can find them. Therefore add money to buy or rent workshop or factory unit before you generate revenue - this will vary vastly according to land values where you are based and will affect your pricing and pool of customers. Lots of serious hobbyists don't make those considerations when realising their dream of going professional