How NOT to defend SVTFOE's Finale (Diregentleman)

[@Cartoonshi]

EDIT 14/05/20: Ok so this should probably go without saying but please don't attack/stop attacking Diregentleman. Even though I cannot take responsibility for the actions of thousands of people I have to make it clear attacking him does not benefit anyone and you are a fucking loser for doing so. I felt as if I should say something about this as one of the many who have made videos criticising the finale as well as the fact that Dire literally says he's issued a "call to action" for creators to weigh in. So if you think I shouldn't make this because it might be seen as punching down then just know that he ESSENTIALLY asked me to do it. Patreon - www.patreon.com/cartoonshi Twitter - twitter.com/cartonofshi My Discord Server - discord.gg/Q2AMHsB

[@SpookyHost]

Tbh I'm glad that the fact u ripped this series a new asshole👌

[@icedevilart1379]

THANK YOU CARTOONSHI, I swear his video was so god damn afwul that i rather hear steven from SUF talk BS than this Weird fuck who seriously compared a god awful SVTFOE FINALE with one of the Greatest movies that hit the box offices Avengers Endgame Keep up good content

[@NexusKirin]

Understandable

[@kylenegaard6461]

@@icedevilart1379 Wow, that person is not too intelligent to make that kind of comparison.

[@kylenegaard6461]

Also, I need to go watch end game, I haven't had the time.

[@ThatGreenMach1ne]

getting punched in the face is unpredictable, but its certainly not good.

[@carlacarrero4975]

Shaelyn Green love this reply :)

[@mrzenox9835]

That's a one fine way to point it out

[@bass-dc9175]

But it subverted your expectation of not being punched! #muthemes

[@HighKingOfSkyrim37]

666 likes.

[@WheatTheG]

Say kicked in the dick would be better for this because it rhymes

[@ForeskinGamerSuccAss]

What Star did is like if Aang stopped fire lord Ozai by killing all fire benders.

[@cloudlion1610]

Exactly

[@GameBreaker1055]

by killing ALL bending

[@Cloverfr]

@@GameBreaker1055 I love how there is literally a villian/antagonist with that motivation on The Leyend of Korra.

[@Cheetahgirl_Studios]

And then destroying all forms of Elemental Magic, in case any of the other Nations get any bright ideas.

[@ArendAlphaEagle]

And I just realised that SvtFoE MIGHT'VE ended better if Star limited her magic destroying on just Mina or the Solarian Warriors. There would be no genocide of all magical creatures (or at least some clarity on its limits), no connections between dimensions being cut permanently, and ESPECIALLY no stupid Earth-Mewni merger that unintentionally implies Monsters being threatened by the government.

[@Alilili]

he thinks that we are mad because we hate the show but in realty we are mad because one of our favorite shows got ruined by a horrible ending

[@YuzuMelodious]

I personally felt the ending could've been easily edited to fit a certain point I've noticed a good couple of people have agreed where instead of "destroying" magic, Star & Marco should've recreated it to where be more balanced, even-handed and accessible to all beings, leaving the Magical High Commision alive and the magic used by Mina to power her army to being shut down. Smoke and mirrors. The destruction of magic is used to bait the *characters* into thinking they can stop Mina from destroying the union between Monsters and Mewmans, killing Buff Frog, his family and possibly anyone who opposes Mina, including Mewmans and ultimately swapped with *recreating* magic to stop Mina and build a new life. They can even keep the scene where Mina refuses to change her ways (with a little touch of her getting arrested for endangering life as they know it) Which now in retrospect would've saved the show from those "genocide", "Thanos" jokes. I will say though, while I do believe the official ending was ultimately not a fitting sendoff, the show wasn't really ruined for me. Yeah, there's some ups and downs but I'm just one of those people who tries to be in it for the tour rather than the end of the line. That's just me tho.

[@majesticmo5048]

In Steven universe's case, I honestly dislike that show. After seeing the show again, I see how much wasted potential there was. With star, I only think that season 4 was shit

[@YuzuMelodious]

@@majesticmo5048 I wouldn't blame you, even though I like Steven Universe, myself. I actually haven't seen Steven Universe Future yet🤔 But I'm well aware of *how* it ended.

[@carlacarrero4975]

JustForFun honestly Star vs woundnt have so many issues if it wasn’t for the shallow teenage pandering that the show was shoving down our throats

[@majesticmo5048]

@@YuzuMelodious I'm glad u like the show as I personally cannot see the good in it anymore. And at least u ain't defending the show for the sake of defending it.

[@nobodyfromnowwhere7510]

The whole subversion = good thing is idiotic. A man walks into a restaurant and orders a steak. The chef comes out to the table, puts a plate on the table, climbs up on the table, squats over the plate, and finally, drops a deuce on the plate. "Hey, I ordered a steak!" says the man. The chef's reply, "That IS a steak, the one I ate for dinner last night." Just because the chef subverted the man's expectations of a steak, that doesn't mean he should EAT SHIT! Subversion does not equate to intelligence, creativity, or quality,

[@nef36]

I legitimately laughed out loud at this lmao

[@carlacarrero4975]

Nobody From Nowhere thank you I am so sick and tired of people using the cliche card as if it where a valid argument for criticism and using subversion as if it were this magical thing that makes a series good no it does not and I hope owl house or amphibia try to not make those mistakes in their writing

[@Ze_N00B]

I would like to agree/disagree. Subverting expectations has potential, but is useless without proper usage. Ryan Johnson's recent movie "Knives Out", shows how much he learned about the subversion of expectations in the Last Jedi, and utilizes one of, if not THE best expectation subversions in cinematic history. Subverting expectations is like salt. Salt ain't a meal, but Salt in a meal just makes it taste so good. Unless you use it in meals like icecream or cake.

[@Abyzz_Knight]

@@Ze_N00B what do you mean agree/disagree? the whole argument the comment makes is that subversive doesn't automatically mean good.

[@jeremiahvaleska8464]

Ze N00B Johnson always knew how to subvert expectations properly, look at some of his prior work. The Last Jedi was a fluke.

[@Karanthaneos]

Star didn't give other people a chance to beat Mina. She chose for them, and her choice was their death. Our hero, everyone!

[@bett1826]

YES YOU WORDED IT PERFECTLY

[@bett1826]

@Crescent Colors LMAO

[@craigpeoples9883]

@Crescent ColorsYikes she was that bad huh

[@craigpeoples9883]

@Crescent ColorsHeck he wouldn't even scar a general after beating him

[@ok-lo9pl]

she literally gave up without even trying-

[@emilyprendergast6951]

I’ve seen fan-fiction that has more consistent characters, motives and tone than the final Season of Star vs the forces of evil. Plus fanfics are usually made out of love and appreciation of a thing put out for other people to enjoy for free..... not like paid writers whom writing is their job.

[@mydogranawayandgotraped5861]

fanfics are cursed

[@AkameGaKillfan777]

@@mydogranawayandgotraped5861 It's half-and-half

[@mydogranawayandgotraped5861]

@@AkameGaKillfan777 most are cursed

[@shireenrazak7160]

@@mydogranawayandgotraped5861 especially 🍋

[@blueberrymuffin_144]

yeah, star vs fanfics are surprisingly good, especially the ones written with season 2’s story in mind

[@Umbra_Ursus]

So to stop a genocidal villain, you need to be a genocidal hero? I'm sorry, was there a good guy at some point? Because this seems like a no-win situation.

[@sophiedingman7211]

Shadow Freddy if she had actually realized the weight of what she was doing, this would be almost okay. Like with Rose Quartz shattering pink diamond ( yes I’m refusing to admit that twist happened )

[@sophiedingman7211]

Exactlyyy Rebecca we’re confused

[@merrittanimation7721]

@燈籠草 They never established being able to tell Gems apart from actual gems, so that's not a plot hole. That's just you making assumptions about what they had, since the show never really went into detail about what gems are physically. They did establish however the gems might have limbs pop in one case, though I'm not sure if that counts since the only time that happened was with Rose's bubble but on the other hand that episode was from the time where they were throwing around plot ideas around so they may have forgotten about that point. The whole pink diamond thing has problems but not that first thing.

[@majesticmo5048]

@@merrittanimation7721 the thing is if the diamonds had the power to fix shattered gems, why did they not try and revive the fake shards that were left behind. They would've seen that the death was faked. The reveal just added a lot of plot holes

[@merrittanimation7721]

@@majesticmo5048 I don't think they knew they could do that before Steven came along.

[@aconcept1579]

I still can’t get over the fact this show ended with star murdering possibly MILLIONS

[@WiiSage]

and causing havoc for 2 worlds by having them merge AFTER committing genocide

[@minespatch]

"Children's show" Who was this show written for?

[@tyrkun1624]

Friendly reminder that THIS is what they were preventing Toffee from doing.

[@majesticmo5048]

And she also got to keep Marco while killing spells and trapping Kelly in the magical dimension

[@Jul-fu4yu]

And becoming the biggest ass hole and simp

[@nicosonico94]

I seriously don't understand how Star erasing all magic is even comparable to the Avengers reversing the snap. The latter endangers a small number of people to save half the universe. The former outright kills an unknown, yet large number of potentially unique beings to save a small number of people. If anything, it's more comparable to the actual Thanos snap... which honestly should speak volumes.

[@sethmichel6138]

Now there's something wrong, it confirmed that all people the snap that returned everyone made sure they were safe, so it's somehow even less comparable. All we really lost in Endgame was Black Widow and Tony Stark, anyone who was on a plane or in the air/water was safely put on the ground. 2 death not even caused by the snap compared to genocide, how do you do that Edit: Forgot about Cap but he died during something after the fight with Thanos so I'm still not counting him as one of the ones we lost because of the snap

[@sarcasticblackcatdreamer4671]

Quick, someone make fanfiction where someone reverses Star's snap and kills her in the process.

[@dcscruz2970]

In Wanda they show sword and other government officials were keeping an eye on people who came from the snap and trying to help them. Star.... it was just her own desire

[@eggmug562]

Not to mention HOW IS PONY HEAD STILL ALIVE

[@dx.feelgood5825]

@@sethmichel6138 Cap dies later just because he went back to live out his life with Peggy and ages. So yeah, Tony and Nat are really the only ones we lost.

[@grandarkfang_1482]

"Star's massacre was utilitarian." Right, so I guess Hitler was utilitarian during WW2.

[@steveboy3712]

and russia was utilitarian after WW2

[@edgelord8337]

Bengali famine too I guess?

[@Bopperann]

Think her kill count tops Glomgores'? Well, it's a little unfair seeing as Glomgore causes people to laugh to death at his bitch voice.

[@dragonempress8367]

STOP COMPARING CARTOON CHARACTERS TO HITLER HE'S DEAD GET OVER IT! STOP SCREWING HIS CORPSE!

[@mustardyboi4187]

@@dragonempress8367 What even is this comment. Do comparisons simply not exist the moment something fades out of relevancy? What's your point? Can I not say someone is as smart as Einstein or Hawking because they're six feet under?

[@hwtvi3466]

Star committing genocide isn’t the only problem I had with the finale. When Star said she was going to destroy the magic because her tapestry said she would, I thought “Oh, I see. They THINK they have to destroy magic, but then they find another way because part of the show is about Star ignoring fate and whatnot.” But no. She actually destroyed magic. Simply because fate told her to. All of her powers that everyone kept saying were the strongest in Mewni, all of the time she took to learn how to control her magic, all of the times she was told to choose her future, ALL of it ended up being pointless.

[@ГерманМак-д4ы]

Considering "Toffee was right" and this final are making the first 2 seasons completely pointless.🤦🤦🤦🤦

[@KoopaKool12]

I think this comment is wrong. This ending subverted your expectations and Star did not kill millions. Also endgame did the samfhr,fusbsnssiVemei7dn3861ufns$+$!3!#8"(?#!@@-@+. Sorry. Diregentleman hacked my account saying your comment was good. Thanks for your understanding!

[@baboin1851]

Correct. And in my opinion the only diamond in the rug was Toffee's jumpscare, "Surprise!" He said and I laughed audibly for the first time in an eternity, not even at the show, with the show... At least that would've happened if anyone there laughed at that! My god, that was a perfect joke and even that was erased. The ending is like an ever consuming black hole, constantly devouring all good plot points till only a molecular mush of mediocrity is left. Even if Star didn't commit genocide, the ending is objectively bad.

[@Cheetahgirl_Studios]

“Mina was a terrible threat.” Exactly. She was terrible at being threatening. It was impossible to take her and her motives seriously. Edit: Where did all these likes come from?

[@captainobvious6779]

Cheetahgirl Studios Her motives I was fine with. Her goddess/Queen gave her a purpose for living and was cursed to fulfill that goal out upon her until she died. My problem is the execution of her being the main villain. Meteora could have solved it all it 10 seconds flat if she ducked her soul again. Seth should have been the main bad with Mina being redeemed and Solaria apologizing while reversing the curse on her.

[@elfmonster1476]

Honestly, I feel that the villains in Star vs. got worse and worse. Ludo is the best one, because of all the character development he got. He went all the way from being "Saturday Morning Cartoon Villain" to being one of the most likable characters. Then comes Toffee, being very intimidating, and approximately 14 steps ahead of the main cast at any given point. Then comes Meteora, who, beyond being a powerhouse, was essentially a child throwing a tantrum. Though, she was the most intimidating, back when we only knew that something big was rampaging, effortlessly beating anything in its path. And the least interesting is Mina. I can't say a single good thing about Mina. I was just rolling my eyes every time they tried to play her up, desperately hoping that they'd bring in Seth or something instead. I mean, for christ's sake, she had already gotten oneshot by Meteora when she was declared a villain!

[@elfmonster1476]

@@nice2763 I am sorry, but you are now terrible. I don't make the rules. That's a joke, lads.

[@Gooberwares]

And she gets away with it they just let her go!!

[@noonebossesthegarnet2890]

Toffee was the best villain tbh. It doesn’t matter wether or not he dies because he ends up winning either way in the end. He tried to destroy the magic, and that’s exactly what Star and the gang ended up doing.

[@bubberducky6499]

The counter argument of Star committing genocide because it stopped Mina from committing genocide is one of the most brainless things I’ve heard. Its like “I beat Hitler, the nazis and the Soviet Union, how you may ask? Well I killed all Germans and Russians duh.”

[@YikYakTikTak]

Not even that! It'd be like if WWII was won by killing 1/2 of the world - but not Hitler; he just gets to make a terrible, vague statement of "Ell b Bach!" before disappearing into the bushes.

[@santosic]

Yeah she technically got stopped but the worst part is that they let her get away after all that; the main reason magic gets destroyed isn't even punished for it. Like come on!

[@pancakes8670]

Another commenter already said it but I think it's a really good comparison. What Star did was basically equivalent to Aang stopping Firelord Ozai by committing genocide on all the Fire Benders It's such a brainless fucking response and I'm bewildered that Gus, which if anyone has seen his other videos in the Diregentlemen channel would know is an avid protestor against Genocide as a practice, somehow managed to convince himself this was a good idea

[@staringcorgi6475]

@@YikYakTikTakat least America was cornered to nuke Japan because if we didn’t nuke Japan they would win and we wouldn’t be here

[@mrlaz9011]

@@pancakes8670 sometimes people just come up with the weirdest mental gymnastics.

[@Confussed-Oddish]

Come on dude SVTFOE's ending was great, where else am I going to find an ending so bad it accidentally supports the holicaust. God that ending was awe inspiring (In the way that a tsunami that kills millions is awe inspiring).

[@nickgadson266]

You had me in the first half, not gonna lie.

[@Confussed-Oddish]

@Miss Terious Hey, I'm not wrong.

[@brandonfarley8279]

Boi you was bout to catch the hands

[@Bee-hg9qp]

It’s a douche bag move of you to claim the creators support actual real life genocide and is completely untrue. :/

[@icedshadow5789]

@@Bee-hg9qp he never said that. Reread his comment but slowly this time.

[@absolite6]

Ah yes, two overused words, that in recent years, have come to annoy me.... "Subversive" "Revolutionary"

[@AkameGaKillfan777]

Why is it that memes are turning into serious points? It was bad enough when people were shouting "cringe" all the time.

[@karaoconnoraliasraidra]

AkameGaKillfan777 People probably hear them used and, instead of learning the context, think, "Oh, those must be the latest buzzwords! I'll use them to sound hip!"

[@Cheetahgirl_Studios]

Hmm... So She-Ra then?

[@anyoneatall3488]

@Fanjanhong * does he write for something? Maybe that's what he means by professional writer

[@anyoneatall3488]

@Fanjanhong * what did he say against schafrillas?

[@Tommedian]

"Mina was a terrible threat" She got defeated by a T-SHIRT CANNON in the intro

[@ttjtheoriginal3468]

And she's basically insane, likes irritating people and is overly racist Yep, she's a "terrible" threat🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@firecrakerj3312]

Isn’t that how Maude Flanders died?

[@andrewaftontheandroidhedge2780]

@@firecrakerj3312 yes it is

[@Saintphish]

T shirt canons must be powerful in animation

[@andrewaftontheandroidhedge2780]

@@Saintphish they have the power to kill anyone

[@solblack530]

Last time I was this early, Toffee was still alive.

[@lolzize8208]

Sol Black And I actually adored this show

[@thisisaguy6613]

The old animation... Why? WHYYYYYYYYYYYY!?

[@henriquecarballoaranha9100]

Oh so last time you were this early the show was still good

[@hazy5552]

I miss Toffee. He was the best and most threatening villain in the show.

[@Andrew-gv6br]

GOD FUCKING DAMNIT!

[@leon5487]

"Normal world physics dont apply to SVTFOE so the earth would be fine" *plays footage of earth in chaos and people running around terrified*

[@DLxxx]

@shaquille mccray lol, what's funny is that Janna reminds of this during the finale when she tells Eclipsa that humans usually deal with problems and things don't understand by blowing it up... Now, that didn't work on the Solarian warrior, but once you start introducing nukes to the comparatively fragile monsters...

[@andrewaftontheandroidhedge2780]

@@DLxxx everyone dies from nukes

[@peckypork]

Heck north Korea and china with it's nuclear weapons would go bat shit crazy😭

[@anonymousbrooks8194]

Thank you I've been saying this argument for ages. The last thing you want to do is introduce a bunch of scared humans to a bunch of monsters. Jenna literally said to eclipse and an episode prior to the ending. When humans can't take on an enemy with their bare hands we blow them up.

[@Godzillafan78]

@@peckyporkforget them what about the literal war zones in Somalia how could something from a different dimension survive there

[@jannajams1335]

I just want to point out the fact that in the AMA post, she wrote “So, I wrote an ending.” That’s literal proof that this ending was rushed, because she didn’t write it beforehand. If you’re making an TV show, Movie, Book, or other professional form of media, it’s a BARE MINIMUM standard that you have your storyline mapped out before you release it to the public eye. You can’t write an ending for your ongoing story with a single season left if you hadn’t had an actual conclusion in mind since before you started. It’s one thing to change the ending and tweak it, but you can’t just BS an unsatisfying ending and blame it on the network for only giving you four seasons!!

[@sarzootashoota351]

A lot of kids shows recently seem like they were cooked up as "wouldn't it be cool if we did this wacky concept with serious adult themes" but then they tried to do it without actually having any roadmap or ending plan. Like we will throw in these big serious things to raise the stakes (the gem bomb in Steven universe, the second main villain reveal in wander over yonder) but then fail to deal with them in a meaningful and adult way in favor of cheap easy cartoon solutions. So now you have a tonally dissonant mess that wants you to see it as a quirky silly show that you should take seriously but only when it wants you to, that presents easy cartoon solutions like love and acceptance for hard real world problems like genocide and imperialism. And then we show it to our kids. Great.

[@carlacarrero4975]

SaR Zootashoota thank you your explanation is everything that is so wrong with the cartoon community the cartoon community just loves to blame teen titans go with the whole oh these super heroes are awfull people and children deserve better role models ( because apparently children are too stupid to understand that what the titans do are wrong and aren’t able to enjoy jerky charismatic characters) but then proceed to eat the garbage that Steven universe the future presents and praised it for not being quote on quote cliche and for being there without even questioning if it’s well executed or not

[@majesticmo5048]

I hated how nefcy blamed the network for not giving her 5 seasons. She should've planned ahead of time. Mind her, shows like phineas and ferb, Kim possible, and other Disney cartoons never got 5 seasons like they planned to but still had good endings. She should've actually wrote an ending and should've stopped banking on the fact that she was trying to get a 5th season. Mind her again, gravity falls and Wander both got 2 seasons and ended fine. She got 4 seasons and couldn't even have a remotely decent ending

[@bgaming2297]

@@sarzootashoota351 Ok, the fact that you're talking about Wander Over Yonder like that is kinda showing that you don't watch it a lot.

[@thecrimsondragon2379]

so true. I really liked this show too bad its just a mess now

[@ullia1426]

“Don’t like, don’t watch,” is such a stupid comeback for criticism. Like do you think I would have watched this show for 5 seasons(made a mistake, it’s 4) if I didn’t like it? No, I’ve dropped shows and other series before when they become terrible or just stupid. Only reason I stuck with Star till the end was because I still enjoyed some of the characters and I had wanted to see them get a good end. I’m sorry if I was disappointed with a show that you love but I’m not going to stop saying or thinking that Star’s was the most garbage ending I’ve ever seen and that I could probably write a better story and ending than what was written. There are so many other people who could do this! God, it’s a real shame that Disney advertised this as the “first show created and directed by a woman” to ‘inspire’ other girls. Honestly, as a woman and writer myself, I often find myself thinking that Disney really should’ve kept the number of women creating shows on their channel down to 0 if they weren’t going to take it seriously and just use the female creator as an achievement trophy. A piece of media can have flaws - nothing is perfect, but you can’t just ignore the flaws that are *fatal* and call people haters for calling it out.

[@carlacarrero4975]

Kaydial Star vs the forces of evil wasn’t even the first cartoon that was created by a woman that shit is marketting bullshit the real first Disney cartoon created by a woman is pepper Ann

[@unripetheberrby6283]

100% agree! Glad you said it..

[@timileyinoshiyokun8253]

everyone's entitled to your opinions an ur right but i genuinely liked the ending

[@ullia1426]

Timileyin Oshiyokun That’s more than fine as we all have different tastes and interests. I’ve always had a critical eye for everything I consume so I’m very invested in like every little thing and how it works when it comes to stories and stuff. If you liked it, I’m glad! You were able to find joy in something I couldn’t and that’s not a bad thing at all. As long as everyone’s civil with each other, can at least try to understand the other side, and not drown out or put down others’ opinions, there’s not a problem with disagreeing on something.

[@dragonempress8367]

I feel stupid since I used to use that for my vore pictures since I knew people would hate me for it... But when it comes to shows, you can't use that argument.

[@pastrypoodle5558]

Did this guy forget that Thanos was the VILLAIN in Endgame? Probably not the best comparison if you want to defend Star.

[@raheemsmith2996]

Wow,diregentleman is really bad at arguing

[@darthsonic4135]

That actually wasn't his argument. He was comparing Star destroying magic to Professor Hulk undoing The Snap. Not The Snap itself.

[@shirothr5384]

​@darthsonic4135 which is an even worse comparison

[@jessicapinkman-hd4bw]

​@@shirothr5384thank you

[@mckenzie.latham91]

So Mina was a threat who would commit genocide....so star committed genocide to stop her... What's the purpose of stopping genocide by genocide again?

[@chinyang1200]

A know Genocide. VS a Rng Genocide ? Cause that's what It seems like to me cause it kinda seems like some Monsters are not effected by the magic Destruction

[@ryanm.8720]

"You can't *rob* a bank if I *burn* it down first!" - Inverted Carnage, AXIS

[@mauser98kar]

Can't stop something? Become its leader!

[@alexandram5845]

Didn’t this guy make a whole video criticizing The Roundtable for brushing aside the genocide committed by the Diamonds? Now he’s doing the same thing with SvTFoE?

[@bengi8907]

I don’t get. He understood that genocide is bad, but when Star does it he sings a different tune. This guy is smart, he understands things, he is just stirring a pot for no reason.

[@alexandram5845]

bengi 890 And his response to Roundtable/Awestruck Vox was really good because Vox made a lot of terrible justifications

[@TheDaibu]

@@bengi8907 Either that or he's just a fucking hypocrite.

[@bengi8907]

Daibuman True.

[@bengi8907]

Alexandra Moseley True. He proves that he ain’t dumb. He just wants stir the pot and tank his credibility.

[@sentretsparkle]

I think Red's (Overly Sarcastic Productions) thoughts on subverting expectations puts it best. If you show a room full of people and then blow it up, you've shocked your audience. If you show a room full of people and say a bomb is going to blow up in 10 minutes, you've earned 10 minutes of suspense. If you show a room full of people and say a bomb is going to blow up and then someone gets stabbed by a clown, you don't "win" just because you did something unexpected.

[@dangerouslydubiousdoubleda9821]

the 4th one would be great comedy

[@icecreamhero2375]

Different equally good. By that logic the car Homer Simpson designed is amazing. Subverting expectations is a sometimes thing.

[@clowneryAscended]

Except a guy getting stabbed by a clown instead of a bomb wouldve been a hilarious end to a cartoon

[@icecreamhero2375]

@@clowneryAscended *Stewie:* At least its not raining *He gets stabbed*

[@aphrodite4419]

@@clowneryAscended that is some dark cartoon

[@grandarkfang_1482]

Also also, wait a second, doesn't everything in Mewni run on magic? Don't monsters need magic to live?

[@sarzootashoota351]

Yes

[@grandarkfang_1482]

@@sarzootashoota351 oh my god, then Dire's entire video is pointless. Star murdered an enitre fucking species, you can't defend that.

[@carlacarrero4975]

Fritz Philogene II that vídeo was a load of balonny and I’m glad people are seeing stars bullshit genocide for what it truly is

[@CGFillertext]

Fritz Philogene II there are thousands of universes that are now separated from each other forever, dimensions that relied on others for help and resources. Not to mention there are many beings that are just MADE of magic like the MHC. Also Kelly will literally never see any of her friends again.

[@grandarkfang_1482]

@@CGFillertext F U C K

[@Alondro77]

How on earth can that finale be defended? The writers of Star Wars: Ros would be shocked at how craptastic the plotting was. And the characters were awfully dealt with. At least Rey was a consistent Mary Sue!

[@TheStephanFS]

It's my same reaction as the Adventure Time finale. People still defend that shitshow of a finale because of Bubbline while ignoring the majority of the bad parts, which is the entire finale from beginning to end.

[@mckenzie.latham91]

Rays also an interesting Mary sue, she’s a character kids would love to be and play as, specially because she doesn't commit genocide of everyone else.

[@popnpets8022]

TheStephanFS what didn’t you like ab the AT finale

[@JLacay]

@@TheStephanFS As a huge fan of Adventure Time and as much I love Bubbline, especially that it's finally cannon, the finale wasn't great. The whole thing was a complete mess like the Great Gum War between Gumbald and Bonnibel was pointless, Sheremy and Beth shouldn't take too much screentime, Gumbald defeat was so anticlimantic, Finn and Jake, the protagonist of the show got sidelinded, too many plotpoints to take in, Golb came out of nowhere, and he got defeated by a song. Thankfully the show is coming back, with Adventure Time "Distant Lands" with four episodes for each characters like first episode is BMO, second is Marcy & Bonnie, third is Peppermint Buttler, and the final is Finn & Jake and they are an hour each starting at June 25. The only thing I can say is it's better than most cartoon finales such as Steven Universe, Steven Universe: Future, Voltron, and Star vs The Forces of Evil

[@popnpets8022]

Mystic Digi yeah star’s is so trash like omg why

[@FillaneAmmisto]

One more thing that completely bothered me about the finale was how star had the idea to destroy the magic and didn't even considered other options. Moon and eclipsa wanted to put their differences aside and combine their powers to fight the solarian army and I was totally hyped. But then star I immediately like "No! We have to destroy magic all together.". Such a waste of opportunities.

[@dantefarge3369]

The only thing I like is seeing the past queens, and they could, for example, make a spell to summon them and take their magic or they could show up to help And it would have been more epic Or even summon Solaria (I think that’s the fighter queen) and be like “hey how do you destroy this armor?”

[@jlwiseman98]

@@dantefarge3369 they actually mentioned the reason moon couldn't remove the solarian curse was because they pledged to Solaria herself. So technically they could've just summoned her ghost and she could've easily removed it, especially since apparently she betrayed mina anyway by the end. Theres no reason why not, her ghost is clearly shown to still be able to do magic. Sounds like a pretty obvious solution, like tom can summon the dead this sounds like an easy fix. The writers really walked themselves into that one.

[@raspyleafj3778]

@@dantefarge3369 why would they have to make a spell? In friendenimies Tom shows he can revive people from the dead. They could have just done that.

[@gamernari108]

I was thinking the same thing well kind of. Here’s what I think the ending should of been like: All the past queens knew they had to help so Star, Moon and Eclipsa was ready to fight Mina and the other queens helped they used all their magic and there was a happy ending! Also magic wasn’t destroyed. THE END

[@Dragonkid1801]

I just thought of something. Star can turn a spying spell into a portal spell momentarily and recreate all magic after toffee messed it up. Eclipsa can create a spell to kill monsters that can regenerate from any body part and finished her mother's most dangerous spell. Two of the greatest magical prodigies of the butterfly family should be able to make a spell that can deal with the solarian warriors

[@HeadHunter-mv2ht]

I am pretty sure that the title of "greatest magical prodigy of the butterfly family" still goes to Skywynne

[@Dragonkid1801]

@@HeadHunter-mv2ht i didn't read the supplementary stuff so i forgot about her. corrected to "two of the greatest"

[@igorbrasilense2396]

the worst part is that the only reason they can't is "Because no", like there is literally no real reason its just the writers saying "Nope, they dumb now"(yeah this video got recommended to me super late)

[@miquelescribanoivars5049]

There was a spell in the secondarily canon Magic Book of Spells which could bring back anyone to life. Given Solaria's spirit acceptance of Eclipsa and Meteora during the Whispering Spell scene it stands to reason that she could have called out Mina's assault. I guess that would be too convenient... Which makes you wonder why the spell was a thing in the first place.

[@orange7032]

Hulk specifically wishes for them to come back SAFELY. so. they wouldn't materialize in the sky or a wall

[@ginogatash4030]

I could understand the argument if they were talking about Iron Man deleting Thanos and his army, but he ONLY killed the army, he didn't destroy the planets Thanos conquered along with the civilians, and even if Hulk didn't specifically wish for people to come back safely, we can assume he thought of that in his mind, Thanos didn't have to say out loud "I wish half the universe would cease to exist" so I don't see why Hulk couldn't make sure that people didn't die when coming back, but even if people DID get stuck on walls and stuff, trying to reverse genocide is still far more heroic than fighting genocide with genocide.

[@lsebastian9086]

@@ginogatash4030 Professor Hulk really needed to be focused so that part of the plan would work 100%. Of course there could still be collateral...and the people who died indirectly from the snap would be an issue...but it was the least damaging way to solve the issue. I recall that the mind and soul stones were a key for the plan in order to...calculate the exact number of victims, and detect those lifeforms.

[@snekydoodle4346]

Thinking the finale is fine is ok, but specifically stating that you want to change peoples minds so they don’t hate it comes of as kind of manipulating, but more or so “you’re opinion is wrong” As an example I loved Future’s finale, but I know Cartoonish doesn’t. I accept that, he doesn’t have to. In fact, he made some pretty good points in his review, and I agree it could have been done better even if I hold it highly. I go along with my day, but may leave a few points that may be worth checking over and reviewing again for clearer view. That’s fine, it’s just criticism. It’s *understanding* where someone comes from with an open mind and not making a big deal out of it. Blatantly saying that someone needs to change their mind is pretty strong indications of manipulation or trying to control someone’s mind. It’s a terrible thing to do, especially when considering some other extremes that don’t involve cartoons and tv shows that could lead people to actually get hurt, not just emotionally.

[@colingznetwork781]

SnekyDoodle it’s people like you that we learn from, thank you for making me more intelligent, and I feel guilty now because I know I have committed these exact crimes you speak of here in at least one of these videos and I am now sorry

[@raheemsmith2996]

@@colingznetwork781 At least you're reformed now.

[@craigpeoples9883]

@@colingznetwork781Yeah

[@projektyeetus6002]

How does this guy not have a PHD already?

[@craigpeoples9883]

@MonkeyBoyI knew Steven universe got criticized a lot but I thought the ending was the thing that got the least criticism

[@Alondro77]

Jackass Star defender, "I know you told me not to keep using big words.." Me, "Pathos has only 6 letters, you dithering involuted blatherskite."

[@dragonempress8367]

I read your comment in his British voice

[@GodOfOrphans]

I don't disagree with you but it's bathos not pathos, bathos means something entirely different.

[@ArendAlphaEagle]

It's more of an obscure word if anything. I don't know what "Bathos" means, but not because it's a long and hard-to-understand word, but rather because I have never heard if it before, as people use "Anticlimax" instead. Which is four letters longer than "Bathos"

[@tinodethuong]

Blatherskite immediately made me think of gizmoduck

[@thanthanh5190]

What does that mean

[@aruce9]

star ended horrendously, in fact the whole season was an absolute mess. it wasted too much time worrying about starco, gave ludo the shaft and de-railed both star's and moon's characters. it would be more reasonable if after cornonation mina was revealed to have been breaking in the monster temple, stealing the wand to make the solarian warriors. it would've gave resolution to the plot point of dark magic being used in the temple and would've made for a more believable twist .

[@LordTyph]

Hell, why not just have her efforts be damaging reality? Make it so that this was a last resort that, while horrible, would ensure at least some people survived. It would have still been terrible but it would have at least been BETTER.

[@aruce9]

@@LordTyph The funny thing is that the owl house is going to do this merging 2 worlds as the end game for the antagonist. The worlds merging here is a BAD thing and is painted with the gravity that it is due. TBH the owl house is just star vs the forces of evil but better, Lumity here is far more productive than starco since the episode enchanting grom fright. Star had seasonal rot really quickly really suddenly. TL;DR just watch the owl house instead of star since it does the same thing but better. Like if the gravity falls crew did the star story right.

[@ResidentTarantino]

I love those arguments made defending this show by saying stuff like "the characters' actions are realistic/relatable!" Yes, I know that there are some dumb teens out there who lead on the feelings of other teens, but I don't think that makes what Marco did to Kelly qualify as "good writing"

[@carlacarrero4975]

Veteran Nintenerd Star vs of evil stopped producing realistic teens when the Marco ,star and Tom love triangle started also if you want to see what star vs tried to do with star and Marco but with actual relatable teenagers and done better I recomend for you to watch weathering with you

[@tiramisu7544]

True. Good writing is when the characters get comeuppances for their actions. Marco got off too free imo.

[@steveyouraveragehamster9383]

Yeah, like bruh. That’s not called being a dumb teen that’s called being an actually idiot. Sure, teens CAN be stupid but this this level of stupidity. It’s heavily unrealistic to what would actually happen. You don’t break up that fast unlike your in 3rd grade.

[@flarestorm9417]

People can be irrational, but that shouldn't be an excuse to make characters go against what seems logical. Because at that point it feels like the writers are writing the characters around what they WANT to happen and not what would logically happen.

[@needmeachillplaylistforstu3495]

YEAH JDKFSKS in what universe is committing mass genocide relatable?? LMAO

[@RoyFokker93]

I have seen people trying to defend worst things, so this doesn't surprise me.

[@jamesthesmart2971]

I Have SEEN A pErson that say gravity falls is bad and people are just over thinking

[@Mrnook.1]

Literally people on Twitter were defending Hitler once

[@jamarsh09]

Like communism or sims 4

[@pokerang007]

I have seen people defend zoophilia.

[@leohino9211]

@Joong Kim Wait are you being serious or just joking?

[@BlythePennyBicycle21]

Star is a villain now. That's a fact.

[@redadabloom-rdb4575]

makes sense why the original title was star and the forces of evil

[@KaiKrimson56]

@kristian rikardsen a girl so evil, not even Tom, a half-devil, wants anything to do with her.

[@roseycage]

@shaquille mccray fr Tom deserved better and Marco relationship with Jackie deserved better

[@fatherpucci8170]

What do you mean now ? She always villains

[@ГерманМак-д4ы]

Well,now it's clear why she wears those devil horns,he-he.

[@ManuelD1206]

And when I think people cant get even more stupid, I see someone defend the svtfoe finale. Why?

[@NexusKirin]

One of the causes of misanthropy

[@Lolo_Antonio-FryEmUpFan]

Su finale is good

[@Cartoonshi]

@@Lolo_Antonio-FryEmUpFan ok

[@Sch00l_Kah00ter]

@@Lolo_Antonio-FryEmUpFan I get that you're mad about a video he made a month ago but instead of stalking his channel, just go on Twitter and create a group chat shit talking him like every other steven universe fan lmao

[@majesticmo5048]

@@Lolo_Antonio-FryEmUpFan Steven getting off screen therapy is good? OK then I see u have low expectations for a series finale

[@katherinesmallbean3594]

_SVTFOE:_ We only got 4 Seasons from the network and had to rush our ending! ;-; _Avatar the Last Airbender:_ *Only needed 3 Seasons* _Gravity Falls:_ *Only needed 2 Seasons* _Over the Garden Wall:_ *Only needed 10 episodes*

[@heatherheinz2455]

That’s because half of svtfoe episodes are filler. If all of the episodes in seasons 3 and 4 were about Eclipsa, the finale would be no where near as rushed.

[@lsebastian9086]

DUcktales 2017 reboot: 3 Seasons and the staff knew taht getting a season 3 was a blessing so they planned ahead. Saddly that meant being unabe to finish a few plans they had but the main event remained constant.

[@redlikeroses3705]

gravity falls is 2 seasons long?? my fucking god it felt like it had like 5 seasons when i used to watch it

[@peckypork]

@@redlikeroses3705 right? And it even had fillers that actually made sense despite it being filler

[@vanroyal244]

This is why you need to plan your story and not make it up as you go along.

[@nordbard5027]

My whole stick with the ending was the "Magic bad must destroy". So tired of this, so characters apparently think that without magic evil can't find another way to cause mass destruction?

[@GameBreaker1055]

It's like "Now that we have seen the corrupt ways of magic and the high commition, we should be able to create something new, maybe even train mewmens into being creatures should have died out years ago... Nah, too much work!"

[@christopherbravo1813]

i wouldn't be surprised if after the finale Mina teamed up with the humans of Earth and used our technology to reactivate the armors, and even equip them with additional weaponry. in fact, that's a very big part of a fanfic i intend on writing soon.

[@kirbyfazendoummoonwalk9214]

Its the same Thing as Getting Rid of the Internet because some Awful people use it for Bad Things

[@lsebastian9086]

@@christopherbravo1813 Even without the reverse engineering of those armors...Earth has....a lot of ways to cause destruction and...the scariest part of it? No need for magic for these to work.

[@christopherbravo1813]

@@lsebastian9086 exactly. in my story, the humans would reactivate the armor not because they needed it to kill the inhabitants of Mewni-they were doing that just fine-but because doing so would allow certain people to contribute to the massacre.

[@sushilookio]

What pissed me off the most was how her decision to destroy magic was basically "you know what? Magic sucks, lets get rid of it" without even thinking of the consequences that would come with that and how everyone just went along with it.

[@MutatedPercent]

Not to mention she decided magic was evil in ONE SCENE in ONE EPISODE before the finale!

[@sombertempest4840]

My issue with the ending (well season 4 honestly) was that it made me feel like I wasted my time for the ENTIRE show. I have never felt more insulted by the ending of a show. Absolute horse shit.

[@mckenzie.latham91]

I felt the same about toffee..and the fact that the creator decided to fly in everything they never showed i the show as a retcon afterwards showed how they had no idea what they were doing, no plan and were rushing everything we don’t even get any resolution of Ludo who the show basically has followed through all 4 seasons except a simple “hi” to star in the finale.

[@yabazyabacoffee]

Should’ve just ended after Battle for Mewni

[@Cloverfr]

@@mckenzie.latham91 I will never forgive them for what they did to Toffee, there was SO much potential on that character, I only got into the show because of him, it hurts.

[@DeathKitta]

@@yabazyabacoffee Better after Cornonation.

[@MegaSoulHero]

The writers of the show deserve a death penalty.

[@LightSoul-8]

Even in Endgame, Tony specifically tells Bruce to put everyone back safely. This was also confirmed in an interview, people in the sky landed to their closest relative position to the ground, people wouldn't appear in the same point in space as other people, etc. So even if Dirementalgen had a point in comparing the two franchises (which he didn't) it wouldn't matter because the Russos and Marvel actually thought through their implications, whereas the people behind Cleaved didn't.

[@lsebastian9086]

That is true. And Banner and Stark being the men of science, they would know too well about how a tiny number wrong or a miscalculated detail would screw everything up so they had to take a lot of hindsight and planning to word carefully how to use the gems. I mean...they would not afford the risks.

[@edgelord8337]

That show ended poorly. Usually shows that are popular like that just kinda flop at the ending and make everyone mad.

[@synical69]

Kinda like the adventure time finale (I really didn’t like that finale)

[@majesticmo5048]

@@synical69 adventure time's finale is still a lot better than both star and Steven's finale

[@carlacarrero4975]

SyniCal at least adventures time ending tried to give it an adventures feel to it and tried to conclude the important stuff that people wanted to see also adventure time is coming back but Steven universe just had some characters act ooc but out of all of them star vs didn’t even feel like it was trying it was just ship pandering and with poor priorities

[@majesticmo5048]

@@carlacarrero4975 yeh and adventure time's finale actually gives closure to the series and its characters

[@carlacarrero4975]

MajesticBoy YT I really did like how Finn , Jake and the humans just go on another adventure that moment really represents what the show originally was all about also love how both the ice king and Simon got separated and got closure at the end of their journeys

[@Numbuh8578]

I've seen people defend fanboy and chum, sanjay and Craig and breadwinners and they did a better job than this guy

[@KazuhaEien]

I hate Sanjay and Craig with a burning passion. I don't know what to think of F&C. I haven't watched all of Breadwinners but there were a few clips that disturbed me a lot...

[@thealientree3821]

At least by the time I did watch all of these shows, I did enjoy them somewhat.

[@aconcept1579]

My fanboy and chum chum PTSD just kicked in

[@Off_Screen]

@@aconcept1579 the fact that fanboy and chumchum has become an up and coming meme atm alone makes it even more disturbing really.

[@ricardooliveira562]

@@Off_Screen they have billions of show to create meme potencial but they decide that crappy show was a good ideia

[@PlanetZoidstar]

How did Marco survive being IMPALED by the Unicorn? They draw attention to it when he zips up his hoodie to hide the fact he was IMPALED....And it's never addressed.

[@carlweeper7436]

He channeled the very power of plot to recover

[@RiceTrees]

It was addressed The unicorn was magic, and when magic was destroyed, it was gone

[@PlanetZoidstar]

@@RiceTrees Then surely anyone killed by magic would come back, right? Oh wait.

[@RiceTrees]

@@PlanetZoidstar lol your original comment was 3yrs ago and u replied to my reply in 5 minutes

[@PlanetZoidstar]

@@RiceTrees Lol indeed.

[@frenchfry55]

I never watched SVTFOE, I wanted to but I don't think it's for me, but telling people you shouldn't critize shows because it's mean and opinions on a show isn't nice because "people like the show too" and you don't want people to be mean to something you like, but people have OPINIONS, negative or not. Also Cartoonshi keep up the good work!

[@Raptorclaw000x]

Yeah if we didnt criticize it the ppl who wrote will never learn

[@someblackguy7371]

TBH, Star was FAR superior when it doesn't have some continuing Story arc, like the Simpsons or other cartoons where each episode shows a quick adventure and the Hero's Journey in one episode, followed by how the character learned in some way in the end of the episode in a cliche matter, that would be FAAAAAR better then the insulting crap we got, The First season will always be superior to me by just introduction alone, the rest is garbage, NOT EVERY CARTOON SHOULD BE GRAVITY FALLS DAMMIT!

[@blueberrymuffin_144]

Some Blackguy I agree in regards to seasons 3 and 4, but season 2’s story buildup was great. Too bad they pulled a complete 180.

[@raheemsmith2996]

@@Raptorclaw000x In fact, without criticism, people would just make the same horse shit over and over again and would never benefit from their mistakes.

[@icecreamhero2375]

The first 2 seasons were pretty good but after that, I checked out. It got weird.

[@ThatGreenMach1ne]

The thumbnail looks like you are wearing Star's hair as a wig.

[@Cartoonshi]

lmao

[@nickgadson266]

I don’t see it...

[@shookengie370]

"Nice wig bud"

[@aphrodite4419]

That is exactly what I thought

[@YourPrivateNightmare]

"Star vs is a story about Mewni wizards intended for children" -Biltrick Baggems

[@Zoroarkarceus123]

The worst part about the Endgame comparison is that Hulk wished for everyone to return **safely**, not exactly where they got blipped. Hulk avoids the problem Star faces by using his brain. Yay.

[@lsebastian9086]

Banner and Stark planned this very carefully even since Stark proposed that they shuld bring back the victims instead of reversing everything to avoid more casualties or innocent ones from being erased (Like Morgan)

[@logannottheonefrommarvel9917]

Oh boy, I can’t wait for Owl House to end with Luz casting a spell that obliterates all magic rendering all world building to be completely pointless. Because that’s totally how you’re supposed to end a show like that, right?

[@raheemsmith2996]

@shaquille mccray We can only hope.

[@aphrodite4419]

Owl house has pretty good writing, I hardly think it’ll go this way.

[@Saintphish]

Well now that the 3rd seasons been cut short, who knows what will happened

[@remyhavoc4463]

@@aphrodite4419 it has too many fillers and some arcs are rushed. But it will never do anything as stupid as SVTFOE They're at least trying to do their best The SVTFOE cast just didn't give a fuck and treated it like a last minute school project

[@reoij]

I hope they don't pull a star vs the forces of evil

[@WiiSage]

Not only did Star committed genocide she causing havoc for 2 worlds by having them merge AFTER the genocide

[@chinyang1200]

Part of me want them to Do more exploration on the after effects of those 2 world's merging

[@Cloverfr]

There is no way a war will not start.

[@dodojesus4529]

It would be an utter calamity

[@KaiKrimson56]

What I wanna know is: did the Arachnophobes build an underground bunker to avoid going outside to an Earth that has giant ass spiders running around?

[@scpfoundation8376]

@@KaiKrimson56 as an arachnophobe, I’d be funding that project.

[@jdizzy192]

Listening to him speak is soooooo annoying. He reeks of "Imma use big words to sound smart and talk down to others" energy.

[@ginogatash4030]

gotta love how he brags about losing his 2 jobs.

[@matthewmasucci1425]

thank you. finally, someone who agrees. what he says is often true, but god he curses like every 10 seconds. such a child

[@GameBreaker1055]

I am also pretty sure that what he did is not a 'thesis'...

[@jdizzy192]

@@GameBreaker1055 "Imma use big words to sound smart and talk down to people" energy

[@nickgadson266]

jdizzy192 Who are you talking about?

[@wilderac2250]

I GUESS NEFCY *FORGOT*

[@calamaria9221]

Ah yes, the "everyone that criticized this show/episode are all crybabies" argument

[@mckenzie.latham91]

The worst part is that Diregentlemen has and even holds his own entire ongoing series on his Channel where he mocks a series and its author for their bad decisions and writing so this idea that he abides by “you have your opinion, i have mine” and “don’t like don’t watch” to defend his bad faith defense dan arguments on this video, aren’t even concepts he holds to his own activity which in conjunction as well as several videos detailing the use of genocide in kids cartoons and etc. shows that he’s a bit of a hypocrite and double speaking dick.

[@henriquecarballoaranha9100]

The difference vetween what Thanos did and what Star did was that the entirety of Endgame was focused on Thanos' actions, whereas at no point in the finale Star's genocide gets aknowledged, aside from a 3 seconds gag with the high comission

[@drewce390]

Yeah, I'm sure nothing will go wrong as a result of merging a monarchy with a democracy.

[@hwanniggles187]

The thing is, that’s just the US. You didn’t even include the other nations of our planet that would need to get involved with the side of Mewni

[@Antisocial_Cryptid13]

Considering that the people on Earth didn't know about the monsters, Mewmans, etc. can you imagine how they would react to one of the monsters coming up to them or something? They would either try to defend themselves (probably killing/harming the monster) because they thought that it was dangerous and going to kill them. Can you imagine if scientists got a hold of the monsters? Not to mention the monsters that look similar to animals that are hunted (bears, deer, rabbits, etc). Humans would probably treat the monsters way worse that how the Mewmans treated them.

[@jmaster4941]

Keep in mind that we humans also have guns, nukes, and an entire military. NATO alone would outright destroy anything that threatens humanity and that's not even half the planet. They're fucked.

[@scpfoundation8376]

@@jmaster4941 I honestly can already picture the large amount of Humvees, APCs and Tanks moving around Cities in order to either contain or terminate monsters and possibly mewmans.

[@GiulianaBruna]

Also, if introducing a small animal or plant into a foreign ecosystem is bad, imagine just merging two worlds together.

[@Hellwolf36]

The problem with this ending was it was obviously rushed. You could tell they were trying to throw in 2-3 seasons into 1 episode. As you also said, they did a poor job explaining plot holes, loose threads and why the loss of magic was necessary, something I think they could have solved with another 2-3 seasons. I honestly started losing interest in the series after they killed off Toffee.

[@elfmonster1476]

That was definitely the moment it took a nosedive. Instead of finding a solution to the "Oops, we accidentally made the antagonist invincible", they literally went with a rushed Deus Ex. And not only that, but he didn't die right away. Instead, he ended up in a state that he, ten minutes prior, had shown himself able to easily regenerate from (One finger is smaller than half a body, after all). And then, they began focusing more on the shipping wars than on the plot, worldbuilding, character development, ect. ect. ect.

[@Hellwolf36]

And they also did little to nothing with the guy who committed the Deus Ex on Toffee. Just 2 eps and they were more about his brother and his relationship with his family. Toffee was literally the best thing going for that series and they got a missed opportunity.

[@ГерманМак-д4ы]

Me too.

[@jvts8916]

Here's something that makes the "subverting expectations" even dumber: the audience was aware that it would happen! Several episodes ago, the protagonists discuss that they would have to destroy magic. The audience response wasn't shock, It was just "that is stupid, don't do that". Not helping matters is how unthreatening mina was, the fact that a pony took her down immediately being the last straw and led to fans arguing the many, many better ways to finish the show or the final battle. Therefore, I don't understand why he thought the show had a great ending for subverting expectations considering people were already aware of the possibility, the only reason people were surprised was because season 4 was so bad

[@jvts8916]

Also, Dire has an entire ongoing series of his Channel where he mocks a series and its author so, like Cartoonshi said, he's not one to say "don't like, don't watch".

[@logannottheonefrommarvel9917]

Innocent Magic Creature: “IT IS GOOD DAY TO BE NOT DEAD” Star: “POW! YOU ARE DEAD”

[@jonathannoble7845]

Except that magical creatures didn’t die when the magic was destroyed.

[@ryanm.8720]

Meanwhile, Toffee likely stated, while watching the events in the afterlife: "Well, that was idiotic. Off to hang myself! Watch and lear-!"

[@collinkeyser6827]

That Would Be A Good Robot Chicken Skit.

[@CGFillertext]

Star: We can live on the same planet, Marco! Let’s celebrate! Marco: yeah, let’s invite Kelly over for nachos! Star: about that...

[@marioluigi3122]

Sonic: whoops, you might wanna go check on her? Maybe she’s alright

[@marioluigi3122]

Shadow: *sarcastic* plus star, it’s not your fault millions of magical creatures died

[@marioluigi3122]

Mario and Lincoln: (burst out laughing)

[@marioluigi3122]

Sonic: *whispers to shadow* actually Shad, if anyone is to blame for millions dying it should be star and Marco’s shippers, Mina, Moon and the writers of this show for making a flawed ending.

[@matheusdemiranda9934]

@@marioluigi3122 LOL

[@Cloverfr]

My first thought of the ending we: *"I have no doubt millions of people died"* , I have no doubt some dangerous monsters like that giant ass spider were killing humans, in the other hand, racist mewmans are still a thing, that was not resolved, now, add that to regular humans who have access to weapons, to atomic nuclear weapons at that, there is no way a war is not going to happen within a few months. Like, I wouldn't have overthink like that if not for the fact that in the plot, genocide of monsters, wars based on racism, and colonialism, is a thing, the history will repeat itself, why the heck did they not thought about that?

[@Cloverfr]

@shaquille mccray The worst is not that we are not made to think that. Is not like in a Disney princess movie we are lead to question the existence of monarchy and its perpetuation, they never tackle that, they try in every form to make us think monarchy is the right thing, and their movies about "the rightful heir" are not seen in dirty eyes. But here the issue of racism and war were definitely something that happened, uncountable people and monsters died, they already sold us this concept, how on earth the very same thing will not happen! , is not like mewmans learn to not discriminate and now will teach humans how to get along with them, they are still racist and full of hate. I have seen garbage endings BUT THIS, is the worst I have seen so far.

[@christopherbravo1813]

@@Cloverfr "there is no way a war is not going to happen within a few months." no offense, but i disagree. it won't take nearly that long.

[@anyoneatall3488]

Ok, this is something he adresses on his video and it's that noone expected both worlds to fusion, so we cannot say Star was evil because of a consequence she couldn't predict

[@andrewaftontheandroidhedge2780]

@@christopherbravo1813 about a week 2 if your lucky

[@christopherbravo1813]

@@anyoneatall3488 the world fusion was still only one part of Star's irresponsible actions. besides, she should have known that *something* was going to happen.

[@austinjohnsen4430]

I actually spoke with Diregentelmen the other day. I tried to explain to him that the problem with Star’s decision is that she doesn’t seem to give much thought to the other beings in the multiverse that are going to be affected by magic being destroyed. It’s mostly just woes me, I’m not gonna see my new boyfriend who I just recently hooked up with ever again. That conversation ended with him doing the predictable thing of hiding behind the shield of subjectivity, saying you have your opinion and I have mine. Neither of us are right or wrong.

[@raheemsmith2996]

That's a pretty horrible response he made, the thing about good criticism is that it's not subjective, it's pointing out what is wrong within a story, it's not an opinion, it's not subjective, it's just fact, plain and simple.

[@austinjohnsen4430]

Raheem Smith Yeah, I don’t think saying that the ending felt too much like a cliffhanger that robbed the show of any sense of finality is simply just your opinion. We can only guess how everyone might adapt to this world changing event. Oh yeah, and Mina got away too.

[@raheemsmith2996]

@@austinjohnsen4430 No,I am not talking about that,like the actual plot holes were objective,not subjective.

[@solaris4022]

@Fanjanhong * That's cause he's a hack- I mean that's cause he's...unprepared?

[@mckenzie.latham91]

The worst part is that Diregentlemen has and even holds his own entire ongoing series on his Channel where he mocks a series and its author for their bad decisions and writing so this idea that he abides by “you have your opinion, i have mine” and “don’t like don’t watch” to defend his bad faith defense dan arguments on this video, aren’t even concepts he holds to his own activity which in conjunction with his own video explaining why the diamonds from steven universe are space nazis and committed genocide and trying to claim they were redeemed or ignore that fact is horrible and wrong shows that he’s a bit of a hypocrite and double speaking dick.

[@shiba2ndworlder]

A heart attack is unexpected, but i don't think it should be praised.

[@bubblegumcyborg554]

Me, hugging Gravity falls, Adventure time and Steven universe: You guys did your best and I love you for it, because nobody's perfect and you are all special to me. Star vs: Staring from the corner Me: Just the three of you-

[@raheemsmith2996]

Nice!

[@hexnight]

star vs. be like: how dare you ignore your genocidal friend?

[@aphrodite4419]

Finally someone defending Steven universe. Ive lately been obsessed with the damn show, and seeing everyone hate on its ending kinda deflated my spirit ever so slightly

[@bradneko_14]

7:00 add that the finale of MLP Friendship is Magic, the ending was cliche af but the execution of it was decent enough that they manage to make the whole comunity happy

[@carlacarrero4975]

Brandon García this is why the cliche argument isn’t valid criticism as long as the motivations make sense in the writing then the cliche is doing its job so just because something is subversive it doesn’t mean that it’s well written

[@imp360]

@@carlacarrero4975 most things become cliché because, simply put, they work and most can still work so long as you put the effort in.

[@morp9426]

Honestly I feel like subversion is cliche now cause everyone tries to do it

[@raheemsmith2996]

@@morp9426 Ironic.

[@aphrodite4419]

Mlp’s ending wasn’t exactly cliche......they may have defeated the finale villains with the ‘power of friendship’ , which is how they ALWAYS defeat villains.....but that’s sorta the core theme of the show.

[@takuchinowona9554]

14:50 in endgame the actually snapped so people would safely comeback meaning people who may have died from coming back from nowhere were actually fine. So his comparison with endgame does not even make sense

[@leotamer5]

Also, even if we presume that they return where every they were originally: they were already dead. While subjecting them to death immediately after reviving is cruel, it is still ultimately to save lives and if I remember correctly, I believe anyone killed by the infinity gauntlet is trapped in the soul gem.

[@hwanniggles187]

@@leotamer5 Spider Man Far From Home confirms people returned from where they died. So thats an L for a lot of people

[@jibanyangamer9260]

@@hwanniggles187 how aunt may wasent in danger so she just apeard where she died the band wasent in danger wen they were snapped like on a plane or building they were I a school gym and las the Russo brothers confirmed it in an interview

[@zeekybluu7031]

17:36 looks like you're having a bit of trouble with that cube there, buddy.

[@ABtheButterfly]

Star laughed at her own daughter's death, and yes Star called First Born her daughter I know Star was under the magic amnesia spell but still, that scene of Star laughing First Borns skeleton after she saved her from the evil unicorn left a bad taste in my mouth First Born deserved better

[@waloogiboi6542]

"Star vs the Forces of Evil has the most radical themes of any kids cartoon this decade". Laughs in Gravity Falls and Legend of Korra

[@raheemsmith2996]

Exactly,the svtfoe finale was just atrocious!

[@waloogiboi6542]

@@raheemsmith2996 I mean I haven't finished Star but from what i have seen it is no where near as interesting in its themes as something like Gravity Falls

[@lfamvs5520]

Notice how he keeps saying "children's cartoon." … Yeah I don't need to say more. Also Shi, if you have to constantly putting on an act for your criticism video's, I think you're going to have a mental breakdown at some point. Overexaggerating is fine, but maybe not to a point where you're a completely different person? Just a tip, do with it whatever you like.

[@aguyyoudontknow7090]

This channel keeps getting better and better

[@sophiedingman7211]

The worst part about star vs is that the final obstacle/villain are characters we’ve liked for a while LIKE ANOTHER SHOW COUGH Steven Universe Future COUGH

[@Lolo_Antonio-FryEmUpFan]

How is that related

[@Cartoonshi]

@@Lolo_Antonio-FryEmUpFan why are you so offended by literally every comment here lol

[@sophiedingman7211]

VaporYt :3 Steven was the final obstacle they had to overcome, being corrupted worm boi and all. Meanwhile, star is basically trying to do what the best villain wanted to do (cough toffee cough ) without anyone calling HER a bad guy.

[@carlacarrero4975]

Sophie Dingman yes yes you tell them ! I also hate how the show tries to justify stars treatment of Marco and Tom which her treatment of him is worst just because she’s a girl going threw angst feelings no just no Marco deserved , I’m glad Tom is doing better and got out of that toxic relationship and I’m glad the show had the decency to not ruined Jackie Jackie

[@sophiedingman7211]

Carla Carrero don’t you just love in shows where the main characters can get away with stuff they were trying to defeat??

[@Jackiedrewharbringer]

Finally someone is talking about this guy. I thought he made sense at one point but the more I listened to him talk the more I realized that's all he really does; *talk*

[@DrawciaGleam02]

With this video or just in general?

[@Jackiedrewharbringer]

@@DrawciaGleam02 Both

[@mallyxtheunyielding7212]

Who cares about story structure or characters, I liked it therefore it is objectively good and you can't criticize it! This kind of attitude is the bane of good writing

[@AkameGaKillfan777]

"Lol kids show"

[@aacsmiles]

Wait a second... Mass murder happens for no reason... The main antagonists defeated in the lamest way possible... years of world building, character development, and plot progression flushed down the toilet... defenders say it's good because it "subverts expectations".... THIS IS JUST THE GAME OF THRONES ENDING!!!

[@HeadHunter-mv2ht]

yeah and the best part is that both star vs and game of thrones had their final episodes air on the exact same day.

[@wikikanselmovedaccount5689]

Ra

[@ТагирЛюбительчая]

@@HeadHunter-mv2ht soon Anniversary

[@kharijordan6426]

Wait . In end game... Killing a bunch of ppl for "good"....was the bad thing. Something the villan was trying to do. Hu .....

[@nathanlalonde7212]

Putting a razor blade in my salad is subverting my expectations, but it's not something I'm gonna applaud you for.

[@grey5015]

"Not even three minutes in and I'm already making a reference to a three some " A new sex joke records

[@TheDanTheManShow]

I legitimately can not believe he made a call to action for other creators on this. Like wow.

[@mockersjayparker813]

SVTFOE problems started with the main villian being Mina. She shouldnt have been the main villain which Moon or hell even Marco would be even better. There were things that pointed to something bigger in earlier seasons only to be ignored in season 4 for Marco and Star love story. I am a fan of SVTFOE however I will never defend the finale.

[@funkylilmaam1658]

I think Mina as the main villain could've worked out if they played it better, yknow? as it stands they were just like "haha here's a crazy lady!" "oop the crazy lady is committing genocide haha!"

[@Ze_N00B]

What I find funny is that Ryan Johnson, the guy who made The Last Jedi, aka "SuBvErSiOn Is GoOd WrItInG", also made knives Out. Knives Out being a movie implementing one of, if not the best expectation subversions in movie history, by having the movie change from a "whodunnit" to a "hide the evidence" story, in a way that changes the story for the better by allowing us to get all the information that "whodunnit"s require in an engaging way, as the protagonist tries to hide the clues. If Ryan Fucking Johnson is better at taking criticism and using it to improve his work, you know your writing skills ain't worth shite. Check out movieswithmikey's video on knives out, AFTER the movie itself though. An uplifting redemption story for a hated writer to help cope with all the terrible writing nowadays.

[@saurodude]

Rian Johnson had a great redemption arc

[@zachanikwano]

It's like, I'm glad he took criticism and made something great but I also feel bad for the unnecessary hate and vitriol thrown his way because of Star Wars. Yes it's far from his best work but that doesn't warrant death threats and constant insults to the man himself. And this is from someone who dislikes most of the Last Jedi. It took me a while to realize not all of it was bad, some of it was good, great, even fantastic. And at least he had a message and themes or sorts, even if they weren't executed perfectly.

[@solaris4022]

Ironically this guys a writer.

[@thedarkmasterthedarkmaster]

Ah yes Diregentleman, the "professional writer" who's only work of merit is a podcast the piece of media that does not need a script

[@Wolfheartgal]

I would also like to point out the "If you don't like it, don't watch it" argument is also weak about his argument about trying to change opinions about shows. Yes, if you are interested in a show then lost interest and do not want to continue watching, that is up to them. But telling someone that, "Oh well if you are negative about it, then you must hate it, so you have no business giving valid critics about it" does nothing to help others seek out the show and form their own opinion of it as well. I will openly admit I am not a big fan of She-Ra and the Princesses of Power, but I will say I tried to watch the show for what it is and give legitimate reasons as to why I felt it could have been better. And even for a series that I do like, like Miraculous, I can see where people will have legitimate arguments about the show, and yet, they get bashed for thinking they hate it and don't understand what they see. There is a difference between hating something just to hate it and having valid reasons to be disappointed if something we put time and energy to get invested in turns out not as what we hoped. Heck, there is a difference between hating something just to hate it and being furious when the show decides to spit in the face of its viewers. But telling someone to not watch it if we don't like it robs any good show the opportunity for discussion and healthy debates about what did and did not work for a story. (Sorry for the rant, I just hate that argument so much as it also detracts potential viewers)

[@joeykid1922]

his ending might of been rushed but at least it did't cut to fade credits

[@thehive5876]

I got annoyed at the fact that somebody would literally try to defend genocide with such horrible arguments.... Time to go watch something wholesome like erm... Hermitcraft? Seems like a good idea. How can people be so stupid!?

[@JLacay]

What's worst is he criticize the Diamonds, genocidal tyrantical dictators, of how they are forgiven so easily and yet he defends Star genocide? What kind of BS is that?!? So hypocritical

[@blueberrymuffin_144]

hermitcraft is extremely wholesome. I salute you, good sir.

[@nassiemartinez4399]

@@JLacay he argued that Star didn’t commit genocide

[@mckenzie.latham91]

@@nassiemartinez4399 No he defended her committing genocide by stating that the people she genocided either weren’t real people so it doesn’t count, or the differences in the world’s values makes it not genocide or as they’re also called...excuses.

[@spaghetti5914]

minecraft roleplay channels have a wayyyy better writing than this shit

[@emperorbennett2047]

I mean she literally killed the Magic High Commission and that in itself is something I can't forgive

[@mckenzie.latham91]

Not too mention the character assassination the writers did of the commission as well as how lazy it was “hey heckapoo, we’re going to kill you and every other magical being “eh cool i’m fine with that” I mean what?

[@chinyang1200]

I Mean ... The High commission is racist as all hell ... except Heckapoo .( Heckapoo best girl change my mind ) So them dying isn't really that bad

[@rainpooper7088]

Chin Yang Except they weren’t presented as such until after the whole racism plot had started and the writers needed a strawman to burn. The way they killed them off was completely tasteless. Rhombulus was Star‘s friend and he expressed regret at the way they handled the Meteora situation. How come he had to die „because he deserved it“ while all of those fucking townies who *willingly* became Solarian Warriors in order to *slaughter all the monsters with their own hands* got to live?

[@chinyang1200]

@@rainpooper7088 Oh yeah ... forgot about the fact some of those people Volunteered to be in those armour .....

[@zerofudou5689]

@Chin Yang I blame that on the writers who couldn't find a better way to make Eclipsa and Globgor sympathetic without throwing certain characters like Moon and MHC under the bus. I also dislike that Eclipsa's mother who took advantage of a poor towel girl turns her back on her instead of correcting her mistake.

[@pixman2581]

When my unfinished fanfic is better than ending of the show.

[@ТагирЛюбительчая]

А о чем он ?

[@manolgeorgiev9664]

"I used the Genocide to stop the Genocide!" - Star in the finale

[@avioro4822]

Also, the directors explained later that when the hulk brought everyone back from the snap, he made sure to bring everyone back and place them in a safe place, and yes while it’s kinda stupid that wasn’t explained in the movie the explanation is at least feasible. This is the worst defense of a terrible finale I’ve ever seen.

[@fightingmedialounge519]

Tony did say bring everyone back save and sound.

[@justsomeguy7077]

From what you've shown, the really had some awful points. The whole "subverting expectations" argument is and will be total bull. I'd rather have something that was predictable yet nearly flawless, rather than something that subverted my expectations yet being completely flawed in execution. Also, his argument between Endgame and Star is by far one of the dumbest arguments I've seen in a while, and that coming from some who actually liked Endgame despite having flaws with it.

[@icedevilart1379]

I bet that Dire's response video is going to be a Simp video, telling how great SVTFOE FINALE is and how the creator is his waifu, and how cartoonshi is a racist, how everyone is wrong, how he is superior than the fans, how the ending is better then endgame. If he seriously going to call Cartoonshi (a Gentle person who isn't Blinded by a show that he likes and can say his opinion perfectly,) a racist, im going to be pissed off I'm still salty about that idoitic moment where he seriously Compared SVTFOE FINALE to Endgame the movie who broke Box office ,

[@connern5791]

I've actually though about making a proper SVTFOE finale because of the unsatisfactory one we got (Mine doesn't involve genocide if you're wondering)

[@Flamingaaa]

I'd love to see it sometime soon

[@ТагирЛюбительчая]

Well is don't Starco ?

[@SomeGuy-tr2hi]

Cleaved is the type of finale that I legitimately can’t see anything of value in. Even SU had some merit to its garbage ending. Star’s meanwhile is on a whole new level of not giving a shit, and I do think less of the show overall because of it, something I normally don't think is fair even for lame finales (like SU).

[@SomeGuy-tr2hi]

Basically, of all the finales to defend, why this one?

[@icecreamhero2375]

At least Steven Universe had a plan, Star was making it up on the fly.

[@LemonAiden]

the Star VS series finale is basically this, A good Star Episode: Yes A good Season FInale: Maybe-Yes A good Series Finale: No

[@thesaladman8400]

Star be like: "I used the mass genocide to stop the mass genocide."

[@alessandromieli7321]

I've seen an extremely similar twist to Moon's in the finale of My Little Pony which came out the same year as Cleaved, as a reformed omnipotent Chaos Lord wanted to prepare the anxious main character to become queen and help her gain more confidence so he disguises as an ancient villain to rally other villains together into fighting her. The reason for that twist working better than Moon's is because it's in character for the Chaos Lord to plan these kind of schemes (tho well intentioned this time) since he used to be a villain, and being (at the time) omnipotent, he planned to magically fix everything in case things went out of control (which they did, of course, since this Chaos Lord has always been pretty overconfident in his omnipotence) But Moon was supposed to be the stern but wise mother, not this petty, selfish and short-sighted idiot and both Dire and Nefcy should have addressed it more.

[@rockhistoria2537]

@Katie Lewis I think he left his name out to people who didn't watch the show or people who didn't watch the finale, or I am just naive

[@lsebastian9086]

Altrough the plan from the chaos lord was....questionable...the only reason it doesnt exasperate me was because it is a horrible habit he cant help and he constantly needs things to go into the chaos way. That and there are chances he could had planned somethign different iff things went other way....but he heavily underestimated how vile the group off villains there Oh and there is another point to add. At least the lead characters wasted no time in imprisoning the final threats when it became clear they could no longer be reasoned or tolerated, so they would not cause any more troubles anymore. While in SVTFOE they lef Mina wander arround unchecked....

[@alessandromieli7321]

@@lsebastian9086 That's what I said, Discord acted in character (he also did this kinda thing in the Best Gift Ever holiday special, bringing a monstrous being just so Fluttershy could tame it and be the hero of the day). And being omnipotent, his overconfidence is justified and in character. Besides, it's established that if he stops being chaotic he dies. I mostly agree with your last point, but it's creepy how Equestria so easily redeems grown ass cult leaders, xenophobes and world-ending sociopaths but a child must endure eternal petrification. And yeah it's stupid how Mina is just left free.

[@lsebastian9086]

@@alessandromieli7321 I think the problem with the show, and i like mLP, is that they missed a couple off steps in showing how redemption works: At least with Glimmer i fel that she had to pay consequences..and the arguments with Trixie show the issues on both the giving and recieving end. With the other former villains or antagonists..they needed to do a bit better. At least with Neighsay showing him leading the group was a step but still needed to show how much his shortsightedness caused issues. The deal with Cozy is that child or not, i feel taht she showed no clear remorse and after some point, patiente was running out. But that is just me, i still wish they showed or polished those changing sides better to reduce backlash, or make a case like Flim FLam Brothers or Dazzlings in the sene off no longer puyrsuing full evil goals but not necessarily being nicer either..just quitting before it would be late. And yes...leaing Mina out coudl really backfire in a more chaotic world. And the sad part about her mindset?...She doesnt need magic to instigate fear, distrust and get things her way....

[@aphrodite4419]

Mlp season 9 was a bit anticlimactic after watching the trailers. We see Discord getting hurt, Twilight teleporting away (sobbing) from her friends who are battling three villains in the background and more drama. Then they went and revealed it was just discord setting up drama all along. I love Discord, and that’s exactly something discord would do, but it somehow felt disappointing they were painting him in such a bad light again

[@CartoonFan1994]

Star committing mass genocide ultimately cements her as this awful person who would kill billions for the greater good, an atrocious misdeed only rivalled by Discord when he chose to pose as Grogar.

[@brandonvelde5774]

Not even the greater good, just her own selfish desires.

[@lsebastian9086]

Honestly the deal of Discord is...not as atrocious. I mean..it was a hgue braindead plan but the only reason it doesnt exasperate me is because...well, i dont expect Discord to fully grasp over his chaotic means and he heavily underestimated things...and yet i feel that Discord might had been an even worse one when he was a villain (gulps) But Star?...she took the easy way out, did not consider other options and was way too egotystical

[@sonicyuuki2292]

"Sorry for the rushed ending" At least you apologized for it 😕

[@atamisirli3620]

This guy knows that plot of Endgame was to UNDO a genocide right? Not to justfiy it?

[@WickedPhase]

Apparently not 👀