Old Guard Media Kills Long Form Discussion

In this excerpt from our most recent podcast with Vivek Ramaswamy, he and Dr. Peterson discuss his run-in with the Atlantic, how they purposely removed context from his interview, and why the establishment media attempts to kill nuance and long form discussion.
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[@heystarfish100]

I gave up on all mainstream media years ago. I don’t even have any interest in television anymore. I canceled my cable subscription years ago and don’t miss being misinformed about everything any longer. 😂

[@dalebannon8503]

I gave up on commercial television over two decades ago.

[@silentx]

@@dalebannon8503facts, im 22 , never got the news from TV, blessing for me to know the truths easier and the spread the objective facts

[@3ZEBRA]

@@dalebannon8503 very good choice. bc of the modern advertising industry every human who watches TV (and the mainstream Internet like YT) literally ARE the product (Google makes more money the more people see their ads, although they also make money from other services, now)

[@user-kf8wb2cq4f]

​@@dalebannon8503....Gave up All television 4 years ago and don't miss it. I'm *very* selective about news sources too. Overall, I feel significantly better.

[@tommohsien888]

Sucks if you are a Lakers fan like myself. I have to have cable to watch one freakin channel.

[@michaeljbreault]

These two guys are so well spoken and a pleasure to listen to.

[@JPN20]

I learned a lot of words from both of them in this podcast, even though I do not even have a modicum of interest in american politics lol.

[@jeffharris8166]

The more I listen to V, the more I like him. I've been a huge fan of Dr. Peterson for years.

[@destinymayberry6217]

Im happy Jordan continued his interviews with him. It brings alot of light to things behind the scene.

[@Jonatanpbm]

I don't agree with you so much. I find Jordan interesting and intelligent. However, I have my doubts about the other guy.

[@moonrabbit2334]

because he's brown?​@@Jonatanpbm

[@CarportCarl]

The old Media started short gotcha interviews. This IS why I left them along with Rush exposure of how they all say the same thing with his radio segments.

[@FranklinFleming-lm1yu]

Yeah they are owned for sure. After barbie radio is dead for me 😅. Non stop funding to hype barbie.

[@redwatch1100]

"Drive by media", Rush called it.

[@johntruxal432]

Vivek and Jordan , 2 quality people that are in demand. 🔥

[@william6223]

The corporatist control shows that resistance is essential, building our parallel world so we may have justice and freedom, rather than what the establishment wants for us.

[@nebula0024]

This video is a *perfect* example of how crooked and corrupt the entire system of legacy media and politics as a whole are. Instead of seeking truth, they actively seek to create a narrative that fulfills whatever it is they want to create, for whatever reasons. Also, as someone who has worked as a video editor for decades now, I know *exactly* how interviews and audio snippets can be twisted and manipulated. For those of us who edit video from an honest perspective, we sometimes shuffle things around so the overall story is more clear and engaging. Unfortunately, when it comes to legacy media and politics, this technique is used ALL THE TIME to smear people, discredit people, and to twist facts in such a way that it's not technically a lie, but not the truth either. It's vile and sickening.

[@sidthemyth]

yes, but they know the truth also and dont say it...

[@TimBitts649]

Victor Davis Hanson on Megyn Kelly said recently he noticed in the polling data, which parts of the population are voting Democrat vs. Republican: college educated people vote heavily Democrat. Does this mean they are smarter? No, I think it reflects economic interest. America is a complex place, political parties evolve to capture certain segments of the population based on their economic interests and beliefs. College educated people are right to vote Democrat as they realize the political agenda of the left mostly benefits the college educated. A generation ago in the Kennedy liberal era, most people on the left were very pro-working class. It's in books like Working by Studs Terkel. Back in the 1960s you needed a high school education to work in a news room. Now you need a college degree. "Coming Apart" is an interesting book by Charles Murray long ago, that first noticed the classes in America are starting to come apart, form their own self-contained worlds of privilege and marriage. Professor Peterson once said most of his students at Harvard had parents in the economic top 1%. Of course Harvard is wildly leftist. It's the same broad social pattern: most young people who go to college have at least one, often two parents who went to college. Nepotism reinforces class privilege as well as world view. This is reflected in old school media snobbery. Legacy media is largely filled with the children of the elite. Such as Chris Cuomo somehow got into Harvard. His dad was Governor of New York. Anderson Cooper has repeated for decades, "keeping them honest". Well honestly, Anderson is a spoiled child of privilege, he has lots of rich ancestors. The legacy media has many reasons to not like long form discussions. The main one is, people will catch on, all the class privilege in media. CNN is all about upper class privilege. Katie Couric put it this way on Fox today: she characterized Republicanism as "anti-intellectualism". We all know how condescending that is. Typical Democrat. Vivek is refreshing because he is the child of recent immigrants, he is more like an old school liberal from the 1960s, who is still very much at home with the middle and working class. I saw him appear on Fox News "The 5" and that much was obvious. He's culturally comfortable with middle class Americans. Democrats on the other hand, are not. The classes are coming apart: Democrats are the party of snobs now, the party of the upper class, protecting corporate interests. Hillary put it this way about the American working class: "Deplorables". Whereas Obama put it this way: "They stick to their guns and religion." Democrat Nancy Pelosi characterized middle America as "Fly over country" in "small town America".

[@3ZEBRA]

that's an excellent analysis

[@TimBitts649]

@@3ZEBRA thanks

[@user-ci7vu7eo9w]

If students vote democrats and think they are smarter than others is in reality wrong

[@user-gw9sk1zy4s]

The democrats are definitely the party of economic elites but still represent racial minorities especially blacks and sexual odd balls, etc. The democrats are the party of social and cultural outsiders. The Republicans, more or less, represent the economically marginalized.

[@Aibric]

I think it is more accurately about social class, which economic interest partially explains. There are plenty of people whose economic interests are not served by the democrat party but identify with it because they want to be seen as part of a higher status class. They almost certainly don’t think in those explicit terms because like most people they don’t understand themselves, but it’s what motivates their affiliation. Once the affiliation is made, they’re much more likely to uncritically accept and amplify whatever the party says or does, and oppose everything about the “other side.”

[@NeonGenesisRevelations]

Two of my favorite people in one place.

[@jim-se5xc]

Two of my favourite bores in one place.

[@voyager9959]

​@@jim-se5xc ...why are you here then? Genuine question, no beef, no feud, no animosity. Did you watch the video at all, or are you in the comment section to genuinely disrupt and troll others? 😂

[@jim-se5xc]

@@voyager9959 You'll be ok.

[@Hainero2001]

When Dr. Peterson gained such unexpected fame, I don't know if he had any clue at the time that everything he had taught about the heroes journey, facing dragons, having bits of you torn away and the struggles a pains of this mortal journey were about to make themselves very plain and obvious to him in a such a personal way. I am truly grateful for the man and what he has done for western men. I hope he knows how many lives he has changed, including my own.

[@ericamulondo210]

What a pleasure to listen, learn, and observe such articulated, well-spoken gentlemen!

[@user-cb4zo9lp2v]

It's not just the media. Employers are doing the same thing, with complicity from, in my opinion, sycophantic employees to target employees who have what they consider to be 'wrong' attitudes or opinions. As an example that risks putting my neck on the line: in 2009 (or there abouts) I participated in an Equality and Diversity course. The paperwork involved stated quite clearly that there were no right or wrong answers, yet I failed the final exam for giving the wrong answers to several key questions. I was told that if I re-took the exam and corrected my wrong answers then I would easily pass. I refused to participate further. What is impacting us today has been building momentum for some time.

[@thomascherrington5963]

Dr. Peterson I was blessed to watch your we who wrestle with God lecture in OKC. I hope that you saw my question after the lecture if not I will be reposting this a few times as to possibly have you see it hopefully I'm not annoying. The question I would like to hear answered is why is the Logos of the Universe on a Cross, why would he promise us anything, and do the promises he made apply to you? I have my own thoughts on it but your perspective is so Brilliant that I think that it would do the world some good or at least my consens. Thank you if you ever read this and thank you more if you ever answer my question. Thank you!

[@Bon3zPedoBeater]

Hey Doc! Hope lifes treating you well! Thanks for all your help over the years, you helped me navigate the worst time in my life and should get the recognition you deserve for that!

[@masesass2635]

Vivek has my vote. I can’t wait for him to campaign again!

[@destinymayberry6217]

Jordan if you read this though unlikely i would love to see a interview with Larry Elder and speak on the nasty behavior you recieved in congress and why.

[@brendanmcsherry3143]

I loved Vivek in debates!!!

[@user-cb4zo9lp2v]

As I recall it was leftwing social warrior activists who came out in force in favour of the brutalistic, nationalistic ANC in South Africa - and within a decade Johannesburg went from the safest capital city in the world to the most dangerous. And SA's status as a flourishing bread basket African nation disappeared. That's where feelings over rational discussions (with a the facts on the table) leads, in my opinion.

[@carlettoburacco9235]

This is why normal people like Vivek normally shy away from pursuing a political career. For many, it's a bit much to spend your days cleaning the slime that sticks to your clothes by talking to these creepy crawlies.

[@terrordude11]

I was truly disheartened when he dropped out of the race.... (just my opinion, i very well could be wrong) A well-educated, well-spoken man whose parents immigrated to this country, has morals and ideas, not bound by westernized ideals of media and politics. Not bound by party affiliated agendas or proselytizing. That's something we needed....

[@user-gw9sk1zy4s]

Vivek is was of the most creative thinkers in politics.

[@trixiebaybay3132]

Thank you for the Ft. Worth show last night. My brain is still firing non stop.

[@estelaguidote3658]

Speak the truth! Great slogan…social media is corrupting the very essence of what the people should know in its full context and not from snippets of the macro narrative of any discussion and/or debate. Good reference to look into in terms of adhering to what our society in general should stand up for with a firm conviction and stance to gain trust and respect from the public.

[@3ZEBRA]

exactly (or at least very similar) what they did to Larry Elder

[@antoniomoreira5921]

Hello Doc. Peterson, have you ever considered interwieving Schwerpunkt? He's a PhD in Medieval warfare but he's quite proficient the transcendental meaning of European Tradition. His work struck me and I think that your interaction could boost dramatically Transatlantic conservatism.

[@dianamiller4102]

Wow is Ramiswami articulate!!! God bless him I hope he keeps high profile.

[@davidnorman5488]

If it weren't for the CIA need for it to push their narratives, would the NY Times exist? Or would it just add a laughtrack and become a podcast?

[@esterhudson5104]

Debbie Downer here. Long form discussion may have peaked. We’ve done the good bit. But it’s very time consuming with any regularity. I haven’t tuned into Rogan, say, for 2 years+.

[@alexm2833]

Maybe you, but not everyone. Podcasts like rogans are doing extremely well.

[@rafalkaminski6389]

Learn the lesson, vivek! They are malvolent and eager to destroy you by any reason 😮

[@redwatch1100]

Some of these issues require long sentences and paragraphs and the "drive-by media" never lets you get through a sentence.

[@jamesragus1577]

Yup, dig till you find a snippet tactic. Current events remind me of the movie “ Advise and Consent “. Same as it ever was, eh?

[@glow3827]

I very much like Vivek Ramiswami.

[@chrisstokie2361]

Trust no one. Question everything. 👍

[@eldergoob6086]

Those of us born in 93 or later never signed up for cable in first place.

[@billybussey]

What? Tv is all free now?

[@liamfitzpatrick6793]

Unrelated but I'd love to see JPs point of view of the recently released Cass Report in the UK on the subject of care for young people with gender incongruence

[@kauffrau6764]

This is why I don’t watch main stream media or read the news media. It’s all on KZbin and we know the position of the channel so we have a context.

[@zdog3338]

Even though I'm subscribed with notification to J.P. channel, KZbin has erased it from my algorithm

[@salthouse54]

Wish jordan did a discussion with sam vaknin

[@DaboooogA]

Noam Chomsky was talking about this decades ago - he called it 'concision'.

[@Ernesto_Gonzalez]

12:00

[@Ironmon007]

Vivek would be a wonderful VP and after that the President

[@apkalluhall2760]

Nice

[@RabbleRouser3777]

Vivek is a Legend

[@caregivergirlk]

Amen

[@destinymayberry6217]

The script is the problem. More and more americans are getting completely fed up with media. Nobody trusts them and vivek was targeted by the other debaters. I definitely think they locked larry elder out. He would have chewed them to pieces.

[@KayGuidry-hc4qr]

Remember.... Money is always the bottom line for everything... Unless you are a true patriot... FJB 💯🇺🇸🗽

[@thechuckjosechannel.2702]

Don't talk to the Media, Ever.

[@billybussey]

He has to. That’s how he became famous

[@andreatimar1272]

brillllliant

[@islandprepperone]

I wish, that you hadn’t dropped off the race. You would have been great as president.

[@letsgo9901]

A "SOURCE" SAYS ... 😮 ?

[@avantgardenovelist]

im voting for this guy. oh wait...😢

[@tblair2277]

Truth.

[@Steven_Gifford]

How frustrating

[@carlc7669]

❤

[@nordicresilience7449]

What boggles my mind is how anyone that have some form of media exposure (and likely training in handling it) would say absolutely _anything_ to _any_ media without arranging to have the entire conversation recorded yourself as evidence on what was actually said and done?

[@Theoriginalanimalcracker]

Rich people go on vacations and relax for a month but if a poor person try’s to do it then it’s “bipolar disorder”

[@sidthemyth]

what planes man?!

[@TheGringoSalado]

No debates for President of the USA. 🇺🇸 ???? Seems fishy

[@Kartik-it2qc]

Do a podcast with Friedrich Nietzsche.

[@cahlendavidson2921]

I'm not a Vivek ramaswamy guy but the legacy media is just pathetic

[@kaighSea]

VIVEK2028

[@Boingfish1]

👌

[@merlinwizard1000]

23rd, 16 April 2024

[@Wisdom84-84]

tuyệt vời quá

[@DC-gh6dy]

Commenting for KZbin

[@bobbiecrider6964]

👍👍

[@tito.tarantula]

I’m not a fan of mass media but why wouldn’t Vivek, or anyone in his position, just openly turn his phone recorder on during an interview even if his PS was "at a wedding"? Just another long winded, meaningless explanation by a politician. If he doesn’t recognize the example set by his high-paid PS nor listen to his more intelligent wife, who obviously knew he could get played (rightly so), it’s probably time Vivek contemplate what his true calling is... and whatever that may be, It definitely isn't politics.

[@flxrldmr]

sounds like Chomsky

[@john-xp4em]

Make TRUMP president AGAIN..... make AMERICA great AGAIN...... and make AMERICA pray AGAIN.

[@TheAdderkop]

Trump is a traitor.

[@Donnie-sh9md]

Mainstream media would just feed us long form bullshit instead bite size bullshit lol

[@terryleebo]

I may warm up to him, but at the moment I find Ramaswamy irritating. He may be the irritant we need in DC.

[@DyC1.45]

He spent his time begging them to vote for him, saying that he was like Trump, only with fresh legs, and not to vote for Donal Trump because that affected him, that it was better to vote for him, not for Donald Trump, that way he would save him... ...he is a liar like the one who has financially sponsored him with millions of dollars, that is, George Soros and his 2030 agenda and the Davos Forum (that is, he is a democrat dressed as a republican)...he is a fake.

[@GOOGLE-ADMlN]

*TRUMP NEEDS TO DROP OUT AND ENDORSE RAMASWAMY!!*

[@krisflynn7974]

Dude. Trump isthe CIC of the military right now, A higher position than the President LO.L all enemies foreign and domestic remember ?

[@neo_ofc]

Em qual continente fica a Polônia...??

[@andy14169]

Joe Rogan has been saying this for over a decade...way to bite someone else's words and pretend they're yours Vivek 😂

[@letsgo9901]

I AM A YT CYBER BULLY ? 😮 I WAS banned from ALL comments for 24 HOURS 😮😮😮

[@thatomofolo452]

Long live President Donald Trump 🦅🦅🦅♥️💫

[@Jst4vdeos]

Vivek > Trump

[@harrythedirty4256]

Guys I wanna buy the make America great again Bible but with a voucher because it’s 60$ that’s expensive for me, y’all know how? God bless

[@3halfshadows]

Imagine running for president and not knowing how the media game is played.

[@user_xsr]

i loved how vivek knows all their game, play along with it and beat them at their own stupid game!! bravoooo

[@YouTubeIsRunByMarxists]

Ramaswamy is a fence turtle. He's no real conservative; he's a plant.

[@_Solaris]

How so?

[@rushiljain9423]

Is Vivek was white it would’ve been awesome. I’m not voting for him just for that reason. Sorry Vivek, good luck though

[@wade2bosh]

okay nazi

[@kdub6593]

No more Vivek please.

[@neo_ofc]

Qual a capital de Minas Gerais?

[@Madpanda2828]

@JordanBPeterson hi, do you have an email I could use to contact you? Thanks

[@BagelsnOj]

KZbin won't let me like this video

[@BUY_YOUTUB_VIEWS.800]

This is exactly what I needed right now.