Dr. Peterson Analyzes

[@Me-wk7dz]

What Jordan does that EVERYONE needs to learn, is Jordan's first act is not to rebuke Destiny's claims, instead Jordan first re-states what Destiny says to make sure he understands Destiny's POV. If everyone did that there would be less animosity and more problem solving.

[@naetyo]

I agree, JP is showing us a skill that many choose not to practice and correct me if I'm wrong as I try to compound what I'm hearing, and as I write this I see I'm already reading too far into destinies views, but it sounds like destiny is worried about convolutional political stances and landscapes for the denizens of the world due to the influence philosophical social celebrities have on their followers. Destiny wants to get it right and help sort us out through the bs but if the very nature of figuring stuff is always structured in convolution, then we as a whole will remain convoluted... convoluted, I almost never use that word God i feel stupid

[@WoatComments]

Well destiny is a moron so that’s really hard to do

[@jaromjones7087]

Yep, empathetic listening

[@Desertpunk1986]

He actually talks about doing this with your wife when having a disagreement and how it instantly diffuses defense mechanisms. It’s so true and has drastically helped me to be a better listener, and more empathetic to the other.

[@inspired4more]

"So what you're saying is..." Didn't work out so well for Cathy Newman.

[@trudymiller582]

I didn’t know growing up that my family was poor. I attribute this to my Mom & Dad. Being together as a family doing things together as a family made me feel whole . I was never jealous of my peers. My mother and father made sure that they instilled in me , riches is family nothing else matters

[@LeginMan]

That is your opinion, not everyone enjoys being around their family...when you are very different to all of your family, aka the black sheep, you hold a very different view. But like he said to "apply the logic", most people can only think from their own point of view.

[@trudymiller582]

@@LeginMan I’m very grateful to be in the thousands and thousands of people who grew up the way I did . And yes its a point of view that I’m only sharing in hopes to enrich someone else’s life

[@bunille]

@@LeginMan It sounds like you're doing that to yourself. The comment wasn't about you. Seek to do better and help out the family you can or it feels like a projection. You're wallowing in self pity and it's kind of proving trudy's point.

[@creed22solar123]

@@LeginMan even if you're a black sheep you shouldn't let that define your opinions, like if your family you don't agree with believe in one thing should you automatically take the opposite stand? that's a waste of your autonomy and ability to draw your own conclusions regardless of specific experiences that may predispose you in certain directions and ways.

[@trteeerryfse-wy2ww]

My dad made that very clear to me too. He had 9 brothers and sisters and hated them all. Except a few. He always said don't be like me keep your family close. I have an older sister. A baby sister. A kid brother and a brother slightly younger than me and I would do anything for them. As I get older I see the sacrifices I'll have to make to stay in their lives and that's fine with me. My aunts and uncles only came to see me when I was in the burn unit probably out of morbid curiosity

[@AFringedGentian]

I’m getting old. Too old and cranky to see what the blessed thrill is with Destiny. Seems like a chuckleheaded weather vane to me.

[@AfatPanda98]

he is indeed that

[@TommyDavidVerbal]

agreed

[@theyeticlutch3486]

This is so accurate to me lol

[@FittedSheet2000]

If you watch the full episode, you can see his pathetic explanation about how vaccines are safe. Never seen Peterson get that angry 😂

[@AFringedGentian]

@@FittedSheet2000 I watched the whole thing and wanted a refund on my two hours. Dr. Peterson let him know he was saying stupid things, however, and they shook hands twice at the end. So that’s good.

[@1workouttransformation267]

Really proud of Mick Foley for making a huge career transition

[@soxgopro5552]

His head trauma is still there. 🤕

[@capcitycode2456]

Lmao

[@canadianmistake2640]

Unreal hey!?

[@mromero120]

Lost a lot of weight too

[@NoobSaibotVII]

More like Midget Foley.

[@MegaTeeruk]

I respect anyone willing to sit down and have a polite discussion with someone they know they do not agree with. It used to be common but now is rare.

[@Drew-ce3le]

Jordan barely made it through without plugging his ears and yelling louder to not hear. Imagine the rest of his cult.

[@Nagrom]

@@Drew-ce3leare we watching the same thing? because what you're watching sounds way cooler.

[@bonzo1971]

Keeping the conversation going..that's what counts.

[@aznboi1027]

Way to generalize and misrepresent, Drew

[@ghostrecon3834]

@@aznboi1027nah he’s right, jordan looked and acted seriously unhinged in this conversation

[@LuckkyCanuck]

They say never meet your hero. Well I am very grateful to have briefly met Dr Peterson, and he surpassed my expectations. What a thoughtful, caring man.

[@5up3rm4nMy3r5]

I was surprised how tall and large I felt standing next to him. He’s a very small man.

[@jaybird1731]

@@5up3rm4nMy3r5 Very.

[@O1OO1O1]

​@@5up3rm4nMy3r5"I met Dr Peterson and he was a thoughtful, caring, weak, small man. Never meet your heroes."

[@connord8716]

Jordan Peterson is your hero? We're doomed.

[@jekytck]

You're doomed* I'm not, cause whether I'm doomed or not doesn't depend on who's someone else's hero... gosh, what a fragile existence you're living, someone makes a choice you don't agree with and you consider yourself (and the likes of you, as you said "we're doomed" ) doomed? I wonder how you managed not to be doomed till now

[@irawhitlock1084]

The whole damn problem is that these people think that we can eradicate any and all discomfort. Ultimately, about half of the world would rather have certainty and equality than freedom. This thinking is based in cowardice and jealousy. Freedom-centered living is based on bravery and generosity.

[@PeeGee85]

Depending on whether you think you could win a fight or compete against the average person, "freedom" either means "nobody telling me what to do" or "nobody smashing my head in". Freedom means different things to different people. Pretty much everyone just wants a good life, but we have different problems.

[@romanpierce4606]

Never thought of it like that but I have to agree. Well said.

[@someguyusa]

It's not necessarily cowardice and jealousy. It's likely more to do with a misplaced sense of justice or foolish idealism. Sometimes malice can be involved too, but much of that ideology comes from a place of naivety that reaches into being a control freak. The never-ending idea that, "Oh, the last guy did it wrong, but I'll do it right *this* time."

[@sambadham1404]

Yes they are utopic, I think that's why they can be so hateful to those on the right. They think we could be living in a utopia and those 'damn greedy right wingers' are deliberately trying to prevent it.

[@rosswatkins2277]

Agreed

[@Noplayster13]

Destiny is always better behaved when he’s talking to someone serious.

[@Kyle-2020]

Always judge someone by how they treat those they have no use for.

[@itssteve6018]

​@@notloki3377JP is an expert psychologist. Destiny debate bro tactics are just petty low tier psychological tricks to trip up an opponent. That shit does not work on JP whatsoever.

[@ightimmaheadout290]

​@@notloki3377this is a really low IQ comment. He obviously treats people with good faith and character (unlike finkelstein who uses ad hominems and is vehemently angry) cordial like he is in this video.

[@KennedyIvy]

He said why on stream many times. Mainstream figures arent wiling to go full goblin mode in debates and will cause them to not do debates

[@jacobwalsh7209]

@@itssteve6018 he literally doesn’t use debate tactics, what are people even talking about when they say this? I actually think destiny is better at reasoning his points than arguing them, I agree with the commentary that he’ll come to a well reasoned point and just, lay off it pretty easily when the opponent wants to pivot. As much as he’s known as a debatebro he honestly feels like exact opposite half the time, which is both good and bad.

[@jk-ih8nb]

Dr. Peterson help me just with "look at your self" when I really did, I realized how much I need to work on my self first before wanting for the world to change.

[@kylevswild]

Dr. Peterson is correct in his distinction between gigantism of corporations vs. gigantism of government. The key difference between the two, and this makes all the difference in the world, is that one possess the authority of the law and all that comes with it (fines, imprisonment, DEATH), while the other does not. It's that simple.

[@meb280]

Excellent summary!

[@bsaintnyc]

You are talking about the same thing. Corporations can get so large that they can capture the government. This happened with standard oil , and the dutch east indies company.

[@adamkinne6467]

As a very libertarian person I think gigantism of government is the biggest problem. Without government help the bloated giant corps lose to dedicated small businesses. Small businesses lack overhead and owners run things themselves with care and concern for the business and employees. Employees tend to care more about the employer too. In a large corporation its easy to screw the little guy and for the little guy to sneak by and screw the nameless entities controlling the corp. They bloat up with top heavy departments during hard times. With a large government they get bailouts for bad decisions and gain other government incentives and funding.

[@meb280]

@@bsaintnyc If a corporation captures the government, whose fault is that? The government is the gatekeeper, they are the check on this kind of thing. If the government is bought by corporations, then the government is corrupt - they could have stopped it in its inception simply by not being corrupt. There is nothing that says the government has to participate in the corruption of a corporation. In addition, if a corporation gets overly large and influential, then the FTC should step in and break them up. Monopolies are not allowed.

[@theevermind]

@@bsaintnyc The Trans Pacific Partnership was another attempt at corporations attempting to capture government. It is all around us, but they do much to keep it hidden.

[@The.Greene.Dragon]

Dr.P looking like a wizard casting spells in the thumbnail!

[@theeternalinquirer5462]

That is exactly what I thought. Lol.

[@Quintablo]

Should be called Destiny gets Expelliarmus'd

[@dwirtz0116]

😂 Almost spit my drink out! LMAO 😂😂🎉

[@realjosephanthony]

😆

[@FancyPenosi]

This dude should not be allowed to dress himself

[@Rhys-jd1kt]

This wasn't an interview. It was therapy for destiny😂😂😂😂

[@medelinmalbe163]

or like failed exam ;)

[@maakjar]

Hahaha 💯. Destiny was way over his head here

[@agentotterpaw1042]

​@maakjar how do you figure? He and Peterson agreed on a lot here. Are you saying Peterson is stupid too?

[@LJSiar]

Destiny should drop to his knees (his most comfortable position) and kiss Jordan's ass on both cheeks for being such an embarrassment to men.

[@axolet]

Dude already came to the therapy without his blue hair. That's one step forward i guess xDD

[@tonypalmentera7752]

He describes mass extortion like it's a good solution to injustice. Taxation is not the solution. No one is entitled to the fruits of another's labor. Otherwise, we're just slaves...in our case, to the majority.

[@Dan16673]

We are. That us democracy but they says it's better than being a slave to someone unelected

[@Sergio-oh3fp]

So you're a marxist? Good comrade!

[@Alarik52]

That's mostly a matter of phrasing. When packaged as membership fees, and that more membership features cost more fees... It fits. The system doesn't run for free.

[@Sergio-oh3fp]

So you're a commie?

[@roguis3451]

Then leave society. I'll keep enjoying hospitals, roads, public transportation, schools and emergency services.

[@welcelebrateourredemption]

Jordan really brings you down when you feel like you know it all, or have it figured out. Very great man. Knocked me down to size quite a few times.

[@kw6382]

It's telling that so many comments here praise Peterson. He's a smart guy, a gifted orator who forms arguments and makes his cases so effortlessly that he appears to be 'winning'. But that doesn't necessarily mean that he's right.

[@ysf-d9i]

I got the opposite impression. I feel like destiny won here, but that he isn't right. Although in this rare scenario, JP isn't right either.

[@LowkeyHundo]

I saw Dr. Peterson on his latest tour. It was such an honor to hear him speak!

[@DrProgNerd]

When you consider how poorly government spends money - I can't see how simply giving them more money (through taxes) is going to solve anything. That would be like a group of engineers designing an engine that doesn't work - then deciding that it would work if they made it 50% larger. If the government could prove itself trustworthy - and could demonstrate a plan that was likely to improve life for everyone - people might agree to more taxes. But they are bad with money - and people don't trust them.

[@7856841]

I can’t refer to a single time in history the government was altruistic to citizens…… I can think of 10 examples of the opposite however. It’s baffling anyone would defer responsibility of ANYTHING to the government at this point 😭

[@normaaliihminen722]

@@7856841Nordic countries are pretty much altruistic to their citizens same thing with Germany. They provide expecting mothers year (or more) leave from work to raise children to preschool age (this same leave is for fathers as well). Provide tax incentives to first home buyers and provide non paid education to *everyone* regardless of financial background. Your parents can be filthy rich and you still be sitting next to kid in class room whose parents are from middle class or working class. Quality for primary school and secondary school is top notch where every teacher is master of education theory who is graduated from university (this is prerequisite for all school teachers).

[@austingoyne3039]

@@7856841 I mean it’s either government or anarchy right?

[@saltedllama2759]

It isn't even that they are incompetent with money. It is with INTENT that they spend the way they do because any collapse to the civilians doesn't affect them. Then when an emergency arises, they justify even more spending to "fix" the problem. Politicians have been this way in every great empire throughout human history. Western Rome didn't collapse because of military invasions; it collapsed first from within due to corruption and government bloat. People can't be trusted with power, but it's people who will do their worst who always seek it.

[@AlexTSilver]

Like a good american, you completely ignore everything outside your country lol. Europe is far poorer than the US yet they have much more robust welfare systems which have worked very well for the last 80 years. Of course you are blissfully unaware so you spend your time imagining examples that fit your opinion

[@williamhamilton5868]

First he says that noone is really principled, objective morality is fake and we all hop from one set of ethics to another depending on the group we belong to. Then he says "My core set of beliefs never changed." ... The dude just yaps

[@Kyle-2020]

Yep

[@stonnergaming420]

​@DRAGONFLY101the same person that said steamers earned deserve money but business owners didn't lmao dude keep embarrassing yourself with these cringe takes

[@redaderoua8816]

He said it for most political people especially for the ones involved in the polarized political climate of today, listen more carefully next time.

[@olympusentertainment2638]

What dude, didn't see one.

[@SutsuMusic]

What’s the issue? He’s saying generally most people aren’t principled and act inconsistently due to this. This should be observationally true. Where does he say “no one is really principled”?

[@BeckJoseR]

Love this. Thank you Dr Peterson. Your thoughts are always fascinating. And your sitting down with the young men of today helps greatly in cultivating the future. Thank you

[@ZDson3112]

I genuinely respect any and everyone who is willing to sit down and engage in actual discussion. Not an argument where both sides are trying to one up the other, but real thoughtful conversation between two parties with differing views explaining and questioning each others ideas.

[@Roberto-de8xv]

They're both hardcore zionists lol they're on the same "side"

[@khrisgmusic3954]

I’m a centrist but the last 2 or 3 years I’ve started leaning pretty heavily conservative. I respect destiny and his willingness to have discussions with people who disagree with him on their own platforms. We need more of this in the real world!

[@bolmeteussteeldragon47]

I mean I agree with you, yet if you look at it, him disagreeing with people is pretty much his only value. The guy never applies any of his prescriptions into his personal life.

[@poopsiclemcgee1134]

I've been completely pushed to Donald trump.

[@valetudo1569]

100% agree. I'm center-left but I really enjoyed this convo and I think both did well explaining and defending their positions. I look forward to more dialogue like this

[@junker7791]

Agreed, it is very nice to see a conversation of actual exploration into what both men think instead of just a rap sheet of actions one side or the other has done which has been referenced so much that we are desensitized to it.

[@PatrickFiola]

Eh. He's insisted on some absolutely demonstrably false takes, to the point that he flails around like a crackhead having a seizure. I don't think he's matured or changed at all.

[@alicia7240]

I appreciate you two sitting down together and having a conversation. It's quite refreshing.

[@meantweetsandcheepgas946]

This seemed like a therapy session 😂

[@martyy4073]

He needs one

[@Alarik52]

This portion, it had some fiery moments.

[@jaybird1731]

@@martyy4073 Yep Peterson is not well.✔

[@rdf274]

@@jaybird1731he definetly can't be, after a long discussion with an airhead like destiny

[@fuzzybacca4997]

​@@rdf274that was a beautiful comeback and I appreciate you.

[@_KNUCKLE.]

Really appreciating this conversation ..gonna grab some popcorn before watching the full thing

[@CallmeScott67]

I don't think conservatives support big corporations anymore, either. Now I think conservatives view big corporations the same way they view big government. I mean as a self-described conservative, I certainly see it this way; the old paradigm has changed and presents me more as a libertarian, with a distrust of gigantism in any structure. Most conservatives I speak to admit to feeling this way as well. And now I see progressives as more likely to support big institutions to get their agendas done, no matter the price.

[@kw6382]

Oh dear.

[@chrisg7447]

Jordan Peterson Low Key wearing Grand Schema Monk Attire in a Suit Jacket.... It is Blessed!

[@KentBuchla]

Stop using clichés to do your communication for you.

[@JoyfulUniter]

@@KentBuchla Impossible to do, memes and cliches form culture, the culture forms the language. The English you use is a prime example, it's a meme propagated over time, making it a cliche, because it isn't your original thoughts it's actually all other people's ideas.

[@TheFloNTheMo]

And destiny rolls up in sweatpants. What a mess!

[@squidikka]

@@KentBuchla Stop pretending you've created a single original thought in your head.

[@kw6382]

Well, clowns do sometimes dress the part.

[@AfatPanda98]

the ending 😂😂😂 bro COOKED

[@ezz625]

Cooked up some stupidity. The Catholic church might not have an actual modern army, but they will freaking obliterate you if you get in their way. Ask any of the people who have tried to get Justice for some holy men touching them. Their name gets dragged through the mud, their finances ruined. So Jordan’s point, however maybe factually true, it is still just really stupid in missing the moral of the story.

[@Neil.K]

You should watch the entire thing, he GOT cooked.

[@chrismichael9556]

Bro 😂

[@chok1169]

@@Neil.KPeterson is somewhat crazy with his takes on climate change, but his opinion about "FORCE" on the use of vaccines is logical. Could see both sides of the argument working, but I think that was the only thing that Destiny didn't argue that much, because he probably thought that was right (even though he approved the method of the COVID-19 vaccines). Anyways, both were really passionate about their beliefs and it didn't feel like they were arguing in bad faith which is something really rare for someone on the left. It was a productive conversation.

[@benagosto3641]

@@Neil.Kyour confirmation bias is showing lol

[@AOSChrisMiller]

It would be my honor to design your next sport coat. I got out of my comfort zone because of your content. DJP, Thanks for what you do! It has helped me the last few yrs!

[@AApron]

Quite the productive conversation. Thanks for sharing!

[@thelaughingphilosopher2421]

Iron Law of Bureaucracy : All bureaucracies become more concerned with furthering their own existence, than with the problem for which they were created.

[@blissedher]

He could donate his gain. He could start locally. He could put his philosophy into practice. “From one, to one”…. And see how that plays out. Then show us the results.

[@lain5858]

He already does charity

[@bennythetiger6052]

I grew up in a low-income household and now not only have I stabilized economically, but also started to accumulate wealth in a rapid manner. It really just opened my eyes to how you just really have to fight for things, not whine about how your life is so difficult you cannot take an opportunity presented in front of you. I've seen people growing up in worse conditions and becoming CEOs... it's baffling for me to hear someone imply that because the rich have a broader margin for success the poor just have no chance

[@lain5858]

He never said "the poor just have no chance" othwerwise Destiny himself who was working class would not be rich now. He is just a naive person who belives in a mixed economy like free market with enough tax to help the poor

[@attilakormanyos2381]

The problem with this argument, is that the tax money is not helping the poor. They use the tax payers money to "buy" countries and do and CREATE wars. And IM not just talking about Ukraine. Look up some supreme court videos, generals say they give weapons and trainings to african soldiers, and then they make coups, so they put a person in leading country positions, so basically the country is running as they want. And this is not a one time occurance. Also 2k14 ukraine, they put an American friendly PM to lead. No wonder russia gets upset. Another IMPORTANT example : Nord stream 2 pipeline gets blown up ( the biggest CO2 catastrophy as well ). Its well known that is was blown up by US ( putin could just close the tap, not to mention you know something is fishy if they stay silent about this topic. So this move did put EU, Germany in a really bad situation regarding energy. After that US makes a deal, 20yr contract with Germany, that US will be shipping liquified gas, for extremely high Costs. It is interesting that Germany does not say a single Word, meanwhile in every country in EU they agricultural workers are "rioting". What does this suggest ? The EU does what US wants = the leaders are bought.

[@jasong5913]

The last 10 seconds was worth having to bear Destiny for 10 minutes.

[@darklightimages]

Destiny tries to claim that church and government are one in the same Jordan just start bullet time listing reasons why that's not even remotely true lol.

[@olmis6289]

@@darklightimages Never once did destiny claim the church and the government were "one in the same". How about you go back over that clip and actually listen. How could you possibly think that was said or implied?

[@darklightimages]

@@olmis6289 Buddy listen get Destiny's penis out of your mouth and listen to the last couple of seconds of the video and you will see Destiny clearly makes a comparison to the church and government which then prompts Jordan to then list of off how the church and government are different.

[@PC8905]

@@olmis6289well that’s pretty gas lightly. Ofcourse destiny is drawing a comparison between big government and the Catholic Church. Dr. Peterson was right to show the major differences between the two.

[@jimluebke3869]

@@olmis6289 He directly said that the Catholic Church as a big organization was the same as government. Peterson simply pointed out that Destiny is talking nonsense here. You'd think that after his experience with non-Christian sexual ethics, he'd see how foolish he's been.

[@jamesjoinson761]

I watched this entire interview and Destiny has been brainwashed so bad, he almost short circuits any time there’s a topic brought up he disagrees with that is actually based in fact.

[@JoeBarron1027]

Dr petersons got the drip. Looking slick

[@Collabcreatemarketing]

I’ve watched a few Destiny debates now it’s very clear when he’s losing and can’t back up his points he tries to shift to general meta and broad points about other people and other positions. Destiny would really benefit from enough humility to not talk about things he doesn’t know.

[@martinpaddle]

To me this looks more like a conversation, not someone losing or winning.

[@reallyshel]

Yeah he tries to debate too many different topics. Makes him seem like a know it all that crams research the night before a big test. Except his tests are debates.

[@tear728]

Lmao yea his talking about climate models when he's never even done a simple linear regression is wild 😂

[@cl5193]

...or just admit his preconceptions are wrong.

[@Iridium-77-g]

Its called "moving the goalpoasts"

[@Razear]

Both corporate and government overreach are bad, but at least with giant corporations we know they are primarily profit-driven. With government, we can't always discern their true motivations, especially knowing their historical track record. And corporations actually produce stuff, whereas government's role is merely redistributing the wealth of the private sector.

[@mikerosoft1009]

Government is about using tax dollars to feed the private sector in such a way that the politicians get rich (back room deals) while producing just enough to keep the public happy enough to not revolt.

[@Archer170]

@@FelixVyraTheir motivations are almost as misty as a corrupt government.

[@cl5193]

That's not entirely accurate. Both government and corporations can also produce a lot of dead people, with government historically leading exponentially.

[@meb280]

I don't care so much if someone has a lot of money as long as they obtained it legally and provided things people want and need. What I care about is someone who wishes to exert undue power over me. Only the government can do that to you.

[@sigmacademy]

@@meb280 So can corporations, but only when given such power by government in order to do so openly, which can only be done if they cloak it in a cloak of respectability and for some "positive change". Example: Big Tech being empowered by government to clamp down on "hate speech", but the "hate speech" being censored is just differing opinions on the best course of action on even moderate topics. If corporations weren't empowered by law, then they would need to use such power illegally and in secret.

[@DeCapitanOG]

It wasn't making money that changed him. It was making undeserved money. There's a big difference between business owners and streamers on the political front. This is why.

[@KentBuchla]

Nope

[@donfully]

you're starting to sound like an "entitled leftist" there. Leftists use argument of "deserved money" to justify raising minimum wage since if you work hard, you DESERVE a certain amount of money. A conservative/capitalist point of view doesn't care about how hard you work. It's the product that your work produces that determines your income. And the value of that product is determined by the consumers. Destiny's consumers (audience) determined that his 'streaming' is a good product thus paid for his income. concept as deserved income doesn't have a place in someone adheres to the free market concept

[@私はクソな中国人です]

@DRAGONFLY101if you had even the slightest idea of how much work and responsibility there is in owning a business you’d delete your comment for seeing how imbecilic it is

[@stonnergaming420]

​​@DRAGONFLY101tell me you're 12 without telling me

[@stonnergaming420]

@DRAGONFLY101 yeah cuz 12 year olds smoke weed and take shrooms 🤷‍♂️

[@esdraslopez4658]

“The vatican cant tax or conscript or throw you in jail” dude…so naive

[@rachelmariatsiganos3524]

I really love seeing people with different views discuss things intelligently and respectfully. This is how we can live peacefully together even when we don't agree.

[@colton692]

Destiny needs to get a haircut and a job 😂

[@st0a]

He's the definition of a rich, millenial loser

[@rickyisom69]

...and grown up clothes.

[@valetudo1569]

He does need a haircut but he's a millionaire. This was a great debate between two highly intelligent people and I enjoyed hearing their interactions

[@rickyisom69]

@@valetudo1569 Destiny has a lot of smarts but very little wisdom.

[@joewesterland5697]

I'd like to see the millions in your bank account.

[@kuchiflies]

Yooooo those last 20 seconds hit me like whiplash Jesus.. 😂❤❤❤ great conversation.

[@LeginMan]

Yeah was intense.

[@Typhoon792]

I don't get it. What happened in the last 20 seconds?.. Peterson made a distinction with respect to the very last thing Destiny brought up?

[@theformulated1]

​@@Typhoon792yes... Peterson is making it clear that church & state are different... Whilst Destiny is trying to make them similar to clown on conservatives.

[@Typhoon792]

@@theformulated1 Sure, okay. I got that. Don't see how that was "like whiplash", but alright.

[@kuchiflies]

@Typhoon792 whiplash as in hey, this conversation was going quite smoothly. As i expected from Dr. Peterson, yet in the last comments he made ( given this is a spliced video), i got to witness something that could be the closest thing to a destruction that we can get from the dr. 1 because when Dr. peterson goes hard, it's with simple facts and logic that one can not negate, and 2 he usually doesn't raise his voice or attack the others like most (destrucction) statements.

[@UcancallmeTeo]

THE END hahahaha it’s like watching a adolescent speaking with an adult

[@valetudo1569]

It was a good debate between the two.... I don't think there is a need to refer to one as a child. Both did well to hold their own position and created some interesting dialogue

[@ameliam7898]

Yeah but they can’t tax, don’t have a military, & can’t throw you in jail!!! 🔥 Not sure how you come back from that… 🤣

[@frankstallone3864]

Especially since JP was wrong. you tithe to your church and the Vatican works with military forces across the world.

[@Thanatohs38]

@@frankstallone3864 comparing taxation to tithing is a false equivalency. The Vatican cannot use force of law to take your money or incarcerate you if you don't voluntarily give them your money. Implying the Vatican working with militaries is also incorrect, since many organizations work with militaries worldwide, therefore if the Vatican could do it other organizations have the potential to do it as well and thus it's not the Vatican itself that is the problem but the susceptibility of corruption in militaries that is the issue there.

[@Archer170]

@@frankstallone3864Child you’re confused.My tithes are for God/keeping the building up.And is completely voluntary.Don’t pay your taxes you’re going straight to booty bandit camp ⭕️👈🏿

[@AlexBucary]

JP, your intrinsic curiosity of the human mind is admirable. However, there is nothing to learn from this fella as you’ve confirmed to the rest of us.

[@demetriuscooksey7147]

As a life-long Conservative, I don't trust big Government OR big Corporations because they're in cahoots against the little guy/small business.

[@JoesWebPresence]

@7:30 " . .whether the left right divide is actually a reasonable way of construing the political landscape at all." True. The real divide is libertarian V authoritarian. The Overton window is best understood as a diamond, with authoritarian at the top and libertarian at the bottom. Left and right only mean anything in the centre, extending out to the diamond's corners, but the higher or lower you go, the less difference between tyrants or among free people, left or right.

[@dennisdezarn5895]

Thank you.

[@JoesWebPresence]

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[@vincentrogister5006]

That's actually a great description never heard it put that way

[@kw6382]

What claptrap!

[@ysf-d9i]

i.e it's people with moral values and want everyone to strive to be better vs people without moral values and just want to live in a world of chaos

[@Fluxion11]

The differences in posture, linguistics, delivery, ect. between these two is interesting. This is on top of the fact that destiny has weak, sophomoric arguments for his positions. Destiny is way out of his league in this discussion.

[@clintcalvert9250]

The last seconds of this sums it up perfectly.

[@AlexTSilver]

Sure, the church cant tax you or send you to jail, but they hold infinitely more power by convincing people that they can be sent to hell if they don't obey the church. Its embarrassing that the video ends this way tbh

[@geovannarodrigues450]

I like how they both can js talk. It’s so soothing. There’s tension but there’s no excessive screaming

[@thomasnichols1082]

Nice Job Jdog 💪 glad to see your getting back to the metaphysics of an argument. Must be in a good headspace

[@crocopsjonjones5534]

Please analyze his marraige views.

[@Stevarooni]

Don't subject Dr. Peterson to that kind of garbage!

[@Noplayster13]

I actually would be interested to see if they’ve changed since that whole fiasco.

[@dyggas]

@@Noplayster13He wasn't recommending open relationships to anyone even before the divorce.

[@donfully]

a rare circumstance of 2 thought leaders of opposite political views and you want to turn it into Dr Phil episode to explore one man's personal marriage?

[@bolmeteussteeldragon47]

@@dyggas This point is tired and annoying. Yes he always put a disclaimer on his type of relationship not being for anyone. Yet this is good in theory, not in practice. The guy is a popular streamer / influencer. He has a "job" that thousands of young, not experienced in life people would want which is playing video games and get paid a lot (and occasionally talk about stuff like politics, relationships, food, culture etc). They look at him and will want to mimic his lifestyle. It doesn't matter if he says for a thousand time that his type of relationship does not work for most people, because they will still mimic him. More importantly the whole context behind this is the issue. He was promoting in a sense his relationship everywhere. On every redpill podcast he argues fiercely against them (with good arguments to be fair imo) with Melina by his side. They become like the Megan Markle and Prince Harry of internet for open relationships. Everyone loved it when they sticked it up to Jessie Lee Peterson. When Lex Fridman praised them on his podcast. And fast forward to today we now find out as predicted that all of this was just an illusion.

[@UcancallmeTeo]

Destiny at the end is me at 15 😂

[@esterhudson5104]

Yep. Arrested development.

[@3rodox]

Wikipedia's strongest soldier

[@dixalex02]

took a while to realize what I was reading. Then, burst out silent laughing trying to hold it in. Lex Friedman, Mr. Boneli.. Mr. Borrelli

[@wstavis3135]

According to Wikipedia.....😂

[@O1OO1O1]

Dr Bornelli

[@dparadi1]

😂😂

[@pianoandguitarlover2773]

Its unreliable.

[@WheresHerb]

I'm a staunch conservative and I'm for reducing government AND big corporations .

[@goodchannel8172]

The modern right is anti authoritarian. We believe in individualism and God, the only authority we should be listening to.

[@sigmacademy]

Some might argue that belief in a supreme being who demands your attention and obedience is no different than having an all-powerful state that can destroy your life in an instance if it so desired. For secular individuals, the state would in essence become their God, and the Party their Church.

[@goodchannel8172]

@@sigmacademy which means those people are missing God in their life. Makes me sad for them. They are simply filling the void that faith is supposed to fill

[@geraldj9963]

Jordan Peterson's got more patience than a hospital to deal with this guy

[@henriwilson505]

You call the ending there patience lol

[@MrGregglesC]

Raising his voice and losing the argument consistently through out 🤣

[@user-mr7bz2wi4c]

​@@MrGregglesClosing the argument? The only losing argument in this portion is destiny's dumb equivalence of a church with a government.

[@mikecheq45]

Peterson took Destiny to school particularly in regards to the covid tyranny. Destiny is naive and doesn’t see the Trojan horse of false virtue. Peterson knows his history and the psychological literature in regards to this.

[@MrGregglesC]

@@mikecheq45You guys are living in a world of your own haha

[@stephensphomolotsebe5952]

The Destiny who listens and give feedback and ask questions is way better than the contrarian Destiny who is constantly looking for gotcha moments in a conversation. This is an eye opening conversation 🙌🏿

[@jeetsom9659]

The Gotcha = “No Principles”; he’s projecting

[@erelian_sardonic]

Who are you to say a person is garbage? What do you mean to do with saying that?

[@Midnight7Marauder]

@@erelian_sardonic lol yes kid, try to take the moral high ground defending the grifter who promotes ideas that have killed more people than anything else in human history.

[@jeetsom9659]

@@erelian_sardonic just an internet troll, provides no evidence just his minuscule opinion.

[@Midnight7Marauder]

@@jeetsom9659 cringe loser destiny fan LOL

[@Girtharmstrong69]

Destiny has knowledge from reading but Dr peterson has knowledge from reading and life experience analyzing real people

[@widowsson8192]

Destiny only reads wikipedia

[@tear728]

And doing 100+ scientific research papers and teaching as a professor at top universities over the course of decades

[@agentotterpaw1042]

How do you figure destiny hasn't analyzed real people throughout the 10+ years of political streaming?

[@agentotterpaw1042]

​@@widowsson8192why lie tho lol it's so weird

[@widowsson8192]

@agentotterpaw1042 what are you talking about??? Destiny himself has said several times that he only reads Wikipedia.

[@seranonable]

It's hard to take an atheist seriously when they mention having "core beliefs" about anything. Core beliefs are anchored to a core, such as God holding you accountable for what's in your heart. What are yours anchored to, Destiny? Besides your own ego. As long as you don't believe that you are a soul and you think that the stuff in your mind is just chemicals and electrical signals and you're not accountable for what's in there, you HAVE NO core beliefs.

[@johnfoo628]

The timing at the end was brilliant

[@jennymcgowin9140]

Heheehee… That last bit that Jordan said!! Lower the BOOM man!!!

[@justinbauk1026]

I am so glad I watched to the very end 😂😂

[@Typhoon792]

I don't get it. What exactly happened at the end?.. Peterson made a distinction with respect to the very last thing Destiny brought up?

[@yung-tuwei2284]

Are you sure? The full conversation was 30 minutes not 10.

[@Steve-sg3uz]

@@Typhoon792Peterson pointed out why the left likes gigantism in government.

[@Coolcoolcoolcoo]

@@Typhoon792 Peterson was making the point that both sides of the argument come from a similar wariness of gigantic powers, the left of corporations and the right of government, and so they're concerns are grounded in a similar place. Destiny at the end of the clip, in a cheap attempt to deny that the right could hold any moral ground, was implying that the right couldn't be sincere in their beliefs because a portion of them support the Catholic church. The implication being that the church is somehow comparable to a "gigantic" government as they were calling them. Peterson than immediately listed the many ways in which that is totally untrue and completely irrelevant to the concerns of someone worried about an actual tyrannical government.

[@Typhoon792]

@@Coolcoolcoolcoo I understood what happened but I don't get how that warrants such a response, but thank you for taking the time.

[@hengineer]

Destiny conflated anti THIS vax with anti ALL vax. A lot of leftists tend to do that.

[@benparrish672]

Dr Peterson, please dont help lesser intellects by finishing their thoughts/statements for them, in a much more understandable & profound way than they ever could.

[@caroline7648]

Right but their ideas even if not well formulated might still be true, and that there is value to be extracted from that.

[@emkoravo]

7:00 it's not populism/anti-populism, institutionalism/anti-institutionalism, the former misses since the mark since populism can emerge from any political position (really the base concept of democracy), the latter is framing the dichotomy in a softening way. The reality of authoritarian vs anti-authoritarian.

[@satokumasmom5348]

He said MAGA 10 times… made no sense…he was speaking fast to sound smart…good luck w that bozo

[@GhastlyCretin]

It's always irritates me when I come across someone who mistakes speaking extremely fast for wit. It's unbearable.

[@LeginMan]

I think that is just his style of communication. Attack his message not his humanity.

[@Whereyoubelongg]

@@LeginMan we attack his message because its polished with literal word vomit

[@davidkuklin995]

and you pointed out something pretty irrelevant to sound dumb... Nice one, bozo

[@ktoth29]

I’m not going to sit through this whole clip… just to pick apart one thing he says… this idea that you need to first need to solve hunger in order to make education equal is nonsense; you are just making people dependent on handouts by changing their behavior, and there is always going to be some differentiator; school supplies, school uniform, after school programs… inner cities schools spend double what their suburban counterparts do because of all these wrap around services and it achieves nothing, its just graft for the service providers.

[@cokomishi]

i think kids not being hungry is way more crucial and conducive to quality education than uniforms and afterschool programs bud

[@simonclarke8098]

​@@cokomishiI would actually love to see your logic for why a hungry child is worse than not having a uniform policy. I genuinely think taking away the biggest bullying tool i.e what someone looks like, helps children be more productive at school than say breakfast every day

[@ciscornBIG]

​@@cokomishiI hope you find a way to address people who you disagree with without condescension.

[@cokomishi]

@@simonclarke8098 im not against uniform policy, it has its pros and cons. i just think that it cannot be compared in importance to food. kids not being hungry in class is HUGE. being hungry in class is torture, you won’t be able to focus on anything and you’ll feel sluggish/de-energized. also I hate to say it, but uniforms aren’t even close to the end all be all of bullying lol. as someone who comes from a uniform school, as soon as people can’t call your clothes raggedy they’ll focus on how ugly you are or how socially awkward you are or how short/fat/skinny/dark-skinned/light-skinned you are. bullying is a constant that cannot be amended. solving hunger outweighs uniforms big time

[@simonclarke8098]

@@cokomishi I'm British so I'm fully aware that uniform limits bullying but of course doesn't remove it. I also rarely ate breakfast, as an adult I continue to only eat a meal a day. Unless the child is genuinely starving so mental exhaustion is present, hunger is a challenge sure but I disagree it's the biggest barrier.. appreciate you taking the time to reply.

[@820monster]

The Libertarian position on requards to the gigantism point. Would be something like- When we historically examine large corporations in there more immense form such monolopies as well as oligopolies. We consistently find the hand of Government favoritism being essential to their excess size and destructive to their competetors. Thus the Libertarian conclusion would be roughly to limit or outright restrict Governments regulatory and subsidizing powers. Doing so would by effectgreatly reduce corporations chokehold and allow competitors to actually compete.

[@cedricwilford]

I think it boils down to this: "I had a baby. Then I got some money. Now I think people with money should treat everyone else like babies."

[@mattlol163]

you forgetting HOW he got that money.... he is got it for spewing leftist propaganda on his streams. As he got bigger and richer, he realized, "i cant switch up now" This is WHY he hangs with right wing people, ect, ect, ect.... He ALWAYS argues in bad faith, just to push people's thinking process...which is cool, but just dishonest. Even what he said about becoming a father.....it wasnt becoming a father, it was HOW HE MADE HIS MONEY. Having children will always ALWAYS make a person more conservative in their thinking. This is why JP was even confused how he came to leftist ideas AFTER having a kid AND making more money.

[@karljonson3287]

You didnt listen for two shits

[@cedricwilford]

@@karljonson3287 Great response! I notice you didn't say I was wrong, though.

[@karljonson3287]

@@cedricwilford me saying you didnt listen obviously means that I think you're wrong. He had a son, saw all the opportunities his son has and opportunities he didnt have and created empathy. Some people say "I didnt hqve it so other people shouldn't have it either" and others say "I didnt have it but others should have it"

[@cedricwilford]

@@karljonson3287 Now we're cooking. Some people say: "I worked hard for what I have. Don't steal it from me and give it to someone else." Whether you think that's bad or not is entirely irrelevant. It's not your stuff. You don't get to decide other people need it more than I do. If you want to give away all your money and possessions, knock yourself out. Leave me out of it. Leftism doesn't create empathetic giving opportunities. It takes from those that have found success (like Destiny eventually did), and gives (in the most ineffective and expensive ways possible) to people who have not found success. There's nothing empathetic about forced taking and forced giving. That's just theft (often labeled "redistribution" so it doesn't sound so evil). As to the people receiving the handouts, I get it... sometimes people need help. That's what charities (actual charities, not the government) are for. Temporary help for people in need. Leftism supports turning people into welfare dependents who are easy to control. Like babies. There's nothing empathetic about that. It's disgusting and sinister. Your turn!

[@davidiscoolerthanu69]

Destiny is such a sneaky bastard. I'm so glad jbp was quick to hit back at him for that catholic church comment.

[@jimmcfarland9318]

Love the very end.

[@donfully]

catholic church doesn't tax you but it has tithing and the enforcement of that form of tax is shaming and social pressure from the tight religious circle of the local church. It is in everyway as powerful as any gigantic institution. why did you think it takes so long for victims of pedophilia to be vindicated in the church's recent history?

[@brandonfreeman6517]

LoL a guy advocating for taxes is wild.

[@MrLuffy9131]

I don't understand Dems when they want to give even more money to the government when they already waste it which is like giving a gambler more money to change his life lol

[@abdullahnisar2219]

“Wanting poor children to have food is wild” no you’re just dumb

[@sharonlarge7908]

The government nor corporations can solve societies problems! We need to stop looking to them for solutions!

[@ahsanmohammed1]

Brilliant. Brought the best out of Jordan Peterson.

[@Amocoru]

I think this might be the first time in his life Destiny understood his actual IQ. I'm not trying to bash him at all. I think he has some very salient points on certain topics, but having conversations with people that are more intelligent than you is very important for continual growth; I think Destiny really had one of those moments here. He's used to engaging with KZbin personalities without the experience, education, and intelligence to cogently argue and today is not one of those days.

[@girthyguitarist7586]

The end is a mix drop!!! 🎤 😮

[@bidensson4643]

Not really. Especially in a historical context.

[@DarthSkye]

Hahahahh the ending... Got em! 🧑‍🚒

[@Typhoon792]

I don't get it. What exactly happened in the ending?.. Peterson made a distinction with respect to the very last thing Destiny brought up?

[@TuckerLoosbrock]

And then it abruptly cut out. But getting people to listen to the entire debate objectively is too much to ask in today’s age of short attention spans and rigid ideological loyalties.

[@leegrant7333]

@@Typhoon792 oh oh... you need to ask what exactly happened? hahahahh

[@NewAccount-mo2yn]

Thank you Dr Jordan Peterson for dealing with dullards for us. Thank you for maintaining being a grown up for some us.

[@dhruvraghav1603]

One minute in and this is already a therapy like i always thought this will be.

[@steeleheroesmedia4699]

What? Having less money is different from having more money???? Really. Wait til you hear about water the sky!

[@blondi681]

Thanks for the comments, I really didn’t want to watch Destiny talk for 10 mins…that ending was all I needed 😂😂😂

[@franciscopacobarreras9270]

Destiny goes to school

[@tylermunsey842]

It's a 2 hour conversation condensed into 10 minutes of nit picked and edited clips. Peterson looks like a fool on every front in the full discussion.

[@franciscopacobarreras9270]

@@tylermunsey842 I saw the whole 2 hour video the night it came out. If you think Peterson looks like a fool, then nobody can help you.

[@firefly9838]

I thought they both had good points but fuck me for being a centrist

[@franciscopacobarreras9270]

@@firefly9838 you can have that opinion, that’s fair, however, somebody saying PETERSON looks like a fool on most fronts is proving they actually don’t have a fully functioning brain, and laughable.

[@portman8909]

Peterson provides logically sound answers to the points Destiny raise. In the end though they still have different views on running the economy.@@franciscopacobarreras9270

[@PapaBear187]

Whoa..JP and Destiny?! what a combo for a video!

[@vjfperez]

I was impressed. Ive heard of him before but this was the first time i listened to a poscast with him. Destiny is definitely not an idiot, he has read stuff and makes good points but he comes across as someone trying to show off his skill as a debater by defending the least rational side

[@vjfperez]

He is definitely miles ahead of the typical leftoid intellectual like sam harris. His IQ is probably not mediocre

[@MrRmann1234]

I am a conservative, and I don't like giants, corporate or governmental. 2007s Too Big to Fail meant TOO BIG

[@guillermoelnino]

we never did trust corporations. We just trusted someone who just wanted our money more than someone who wanted to control every aspect of our lives.

[@beetalius]

Giant corporations can be all accountable. Government bureaucracies cannot.

[@eduardosalazar4819]

Can they? Really? I mean how long have people tried to make facebook accountable for stealing and selling user data to no avail?

[@Zaphod771]

​@@eduardosalazar4819, both are great points, however I will point out that you can choose not to use social media. You can't choose not to be ruled by government. It's just not optional.

[@ricoamordavila7496]

​@@Zaphod771indubitably

[@Jorbz150]

I don't see an easy way to hold either accountable. The corporations can pretty easily merge with the state and then share each other's powers.

[@MuhammadKhan-vm5ow]

Destiny is like a first year university student who thinks he's clever

[@Ilovemusic793]

This wasn't a debate it was a lesson from Dr P and an expose of how much Destiny should not be given a platform.

[@cranjismcbasketballisnothere]

Why should he not be given a platform?

[@Ilovemusic793]

Because he is useless@@cranjismcbasketballisnothere

[@RhetoricalMuse]

@@Ilovemusic793 If he is 'useless' then that is self evident. De-platforming people based on such things is erronous.

[@cranjismcbasketballisnothere]

​@@Ilovemusic793I don't think that's fair at all. So what if he's useless? It's not an excuse to get someone off a platform or censor them.

[@lorenartforall]

Are people still polarized in right and left!!!???

[@SgtPUSMC]

As a conservative who's spent a lifetime working in large companies, I have a VERY jaundiced view of large corporations, but I don't view them as nearly the threat that big government is. The main reason for this is that no corporation can force you to buy their product unless they are in league with government. Big corporations come and go. The Fortune 500 companies today are almost entirely different from the fortune 500 of fifty years ago. When giant companies alienate their customers, they might continue for years, but eventually, the realities of the market will be felt. When government programs fail, they just get more money and become ever more tyrannical.

[@djblog112]

Wealthy grown man goes on Dr Jordan Peterson podcast wearing sweatpants and bed head. Why are we here?

[@LeginMan]

because he wasn't always wealthy and what he says makes sense if you smart enough to understand the message.

[@kingasif9265]

He could wear jeans?

[@jkman10]

Why are YOU here? Comment on the material discussed. JLPs attire isn't much better. Looks like he closed his eyes and pulled whatever off the clothes rack. It doesn't matter.

[@Lanesgummy33]

Huh? Why does him wearing sweatpants matter 💀

[@JRF-pd5xq]

Wears sweatpants to a Jordan Peterson interview...

[@dcktater7847]

'Q! He wears whatever the eff he wants

[@dcktater7847]

He wears whatever the fk he wants. Stuffy fk!

[@belvinnadar5782]

Could feel the pain and frustration in Dr. Peterson's voice when he had to state the obvious to him.

[@timmiller6110]

That ended much more abruptly than I anticipated, lol.

[@Rising.consciousness]

“Don’t transfer loyalty to ideology, to money, to party, to friends, all of these things are outside of the core of your reality” - Terence McKenna. Don’t allow your dogma to become stronger than your ability to reason.

[@E4K9]

Destiny is the type of ego to think hes smarter than Dr. Peterson

[@chadfarwell2480]

sweatpants to a Peterson interview, underminds any intelligence 😮

[@SimbaAliaye]

Who is destiny?🤷🏻‍♀️

[@Will-SSDD]

Just another none logical person on left his lack of research on current data on covid saga is most disturbing. I watched the interview because there is always something to learn from people and whether I agree with him or not its rare to see see convos like this

[@nothingnew765]

He started off as a professional StarCraft 2 streamer, and has a large following on Twitch. When he got a platform, he started getting into politics and showing up on KZbin shows.

[@evalramman7502]

Both the Left and Right have myths and fantasies about themselves. Maybe that's why I'm a Libertarian. LOL, yes, we have myths and fantasies about ourselves, too.

[@Fxrrxt2x]

Yeah. It seems to be all hypotheticals when it comes to gigantism, at least. I just figure there should be a balance of power and no single entity should get too big.

[@popo0129]

@@Fxrrxt2x Yeah this is how I view it. I think just grouping everything with sets of ideas and views really limits the good you can do especially if you lean too much on those with no regard to the harmful effects of having too much. You eat because you have to but eating too much is unhealthy later on. Eating less will help you lose weight but eating way less or nothing at all will kill you. You use what is necessary for you now and will help yourself later on and readjust if necessary.

[@sethcarter8371]

Can basically sum up the entire interview from Destiny's side: "I'm too afraid to take responsibility for the outcomes that stim directly from the ideas I'm fighting for, so I won't claim to be anything. I got famous fighting for these idea by debating people who had no debate skills whatsoever. However, now I'm sitting in front of someone who forces me to become aware of the cognitive dissonance within myself. I cannot acknowledge this or I'll look foolish. I'll fient pleasent discourse so you won't meticulously demolish my arguements while still retaining the right to degrade the intelligence and civility of our debate as well as your moral character later while your back is turned because I'm too much of a coward to do it to your face." Destiny pretty much speaks for every grown male throwing an adult temper tantrun at the state of the world rather than doing something about it. There's something so weak, pathetic, yet also dangerous behind what drives him

[@JohnCNewJr]

Bless his heart. He finds it easier to group people with whom he disagrees as “populist” followers of Trump vs conceding that well reasoned thinkers could have a well founded perspective other than his own.

[@guillermoelnino]

Well that's a step up in discourse from "super evil na zi devil hi tlers"