I always thought it was cool how Data was the only one that could reliably dodge phasers.
@Rudofaux4 жыл бұрын
@fenrif You hade in the first half, not going to lie.
@tigerbread784 жыл бұрын
@fenrif lads, we've been rumbled!
@godzilladestroyscities17574 жыл бұрын
@fenrif I appreciate the laugh but I really regret what Star Trek has become.
@Nine-Signs4 жыл бұрын
@fenrif Data being an android was modular, so I guess he could have been she on Thursdays.
@Nine-Signs4 жыл бұрын
@@godzilladestroyscities1757 A soulless violent woke centrist mess that since 2009 has abandoned humanism, mystery, awe, wonder, intrigue, actual science, and a hopeful vision for the future of humanity.
@christopherjones54464 жыл бұрын
Despite the demonstrations of his strength, it wasn’t Data’s defining characteristic. Kurtzman’s idea of an android is either super strength or Doc Ock-like tentacles.
@thefurrybastard19644 жыл бұрын
Kurtzman has ideas? prove it!
@Shadowkey3924 жыл бұрын
Yeah, but Data was unique. One of a kind. Which was the whole point. The androids in Picard aren’t the same as him. Not even the ones on that planet I can’t remember the name of.
@Drewsky8404 жыл бұрын
@@Shadowkey392 he isn't one of a kind he has a brother, Lore.
@joeb89354 жыл бұрын
Shadowkey392 data was unique because of his positronic brain not his body. Every material suited for robot construction is notably less punchable than a normal human
@guguigugu3 жыл бұрын
data was always adamant that he would trade all his super strength to be a real human. these new androids seem perfectly fine with just being war machines. new trek is absolute garbage.
@TheBigExclusive4 жыл бұрын
I just want to take this moment to say that Soji is NOT Data's daughter. Data had only ONE Daughter, and her name was LAL !
@BPond74 жыл бұрын
TheBigExclusive One is meant kindly. The other is not.
@sokoTV24 жыл бұрын
I wish Lal didn't die. It felt almost as unnecessary as Yarr's death.
@jeremyjohnson88444 жыл бұрын
@@BPond7in addition to the OP, ahh, yes. Fantastic.
@aarongreenfield90384 жыл бұрын
@@sokoTV2 .Only her physical body failed, data downloaded her consciousness thoughts and memories into himself, essentially merging them, like tuvix.
@jiriklhotsky74534 жыл бұрын
@@aarongreenfield9038 agreed. Just dont even mention Tuvix... We don't do that here :DD
@TheSuperQuail4 жыл бұрын
It's like they only watched the fight scenes and thought "we can do that better". As if anyone watched Star Trek for the violence.
@Bedfordshireman4 жыл бұрын
@fenrif Nah, they clearly saw one or two of the TNG films. It's the only place they could have got the idea for Picard to be so obsessed over Data, like they were close comrades or something. (As a side note, its really obvious to me now that they _really_ wanted a Kirk/Spock type relationship between the two in those films, isn't it?)
@Zorro91294 жыл бұрын
It's more like "Hey you know what's popular? John Wick. Let's have a John Wick fight scene in Star Trek" except it's just really stupid.
@ge27194 жыл бұрын
But that figt scen sucks though. For 80s/90s tv show the fight scenes were fine. Picard though, its like the stunt co ordinator was some producers nephew or something. Or they just found a guy who can do flips and told him to make something up.
@Rockmonanov4 жыл бұрын
The same group that came up with a show idea and titled it “Star Trek: Enterprise”, not realizing that there was already a show with the exact same name.
@Prometheus40964 жыл бұрын
Kurtzman watched Kirk fight the gorn and thought "I can do better, so I can make great Trek."
@CourtneyCoulson4 жыл бұрын
I'm surprised how consistently Data's strength is portrayed throughout the series. I never noticed before. Superhuman strength is such a nebulous concept, especially in comics, characters are just as strong as the plot needs them to be.
@Tokmurok4 жыл бұрын
Yeah, it's believeable with a future andriod. Rather than a man. No matter how buff you are picking up a car makes no sense. Not every super is magical so... Also how do they explain thin ass women doing those things lol?
@CourtneyCoulson4 жыл бұрын
@@Tokmurok my exact thoughts watching Jessica Jones, lol.
@TheBlarggle4 жыл бұрын
@@CourtneyCoulson Yeah, but Jessica Jones is a super-human. Like, her body having impossible strength is no different than say Spider-Man's body having impossible strength. (I know their source is different)
@godzilladestroyscities17574 жыл бұрын
@@TheBlarggle The difference there is a conscious bias. It is more believable to see a tiny man have super strength than to see a tiny woman have super strength. Not really believable either way if you spend too much time thinking about it.
@ExecutiveChefLance4 жыл бұрын
@@Tokmurok Huh? Same as Data they are Robots. There isn't sexual differences in Robots dude they are Metal and Circuits. Plus the Chick Robot is like 50 years more advanced.
@LordCornshoe4 жыл бұрын
Would have been great if the Romulan dude in Picard did that fancy spin kick, then just bounced off the guy he hit and landed on the ground clutching his leg and going "ah! ah! ahhhhhh!" all Peter Griffin-style.
@elanderan11044 жыл бұрын
lol. kzbin.info/www/bejne/j2rNZJubjr90oZo
@dannyflynn56814 жыл бұрын
I imagine it playing out more like this kzbin.info/www/bejne/jGHCc4iCmK2Kabc
@Grahf04 жыл бұрын
Or like when Kenobi kicked Grevious.
@TheotherTempestfox4 жыл бұрын
The 'androids' in Picard weren't even really androids for the most part. Most of them were more artificially engineered human closed than 'Androids' Also that scene about one of them being able to do a Vulcan mind meld because they studied Vulcan culture was pure BS.
@Pepesmall3 жыл бұрын
@@TheotherTempestfox I think their justification is that Data did the nerve pinch which kind of doesn’t make sense (I was under the impression it worked on a psychic basis) except when you consider data could probably easily squeeze hard enough to completely overwhelm any humanoid with pain to the point of passing out or rupture blood vessels to the point of putting them in a coma
@fecxorfecxor7684 жыл бұрын
Alex Kurtzman can’t even maintain continuity within his own story.
@dannyflynn56814 жыл бұрын
In lesser hands, Data would turn quickly into an unstoppable 'Terminator' type character, but what made the character so enduring was the fact that instead of being a murder machine, he was more focused on studying music, painting, writing poetry etc In first contact, he basically becomes the Terminator at the end, even down to the exposed skull. Even before Picard they were straying away from what made TNG great.
@NitpickingNerd4 жыл бұрын
Trek peaked quickly and was in declide for a long time
@compmanio364 жыл бұрын
Stewart wanted more input on how the movies would go and that was the result. The TNG movies being such a flop and Picard being so bad is due to, at least in part, his meddling. Actors cannot write. Let actors act, and writers write.
@thefirstprimariscatosicari68704 жыл бұрын
@@compmanio36 It seems nobody ever learnt from Star Trek V: William Shatner really wants to punch god
@aylix21374 жыл бұрын
Way easier to destroy than even a t-800 though
@kayleighbrown4594 жыл бұрын
@Maintenance Renegade Maybe, but the good is still hella good tho
@metazare4 жыл бұрын
TNG always made it very clear in scenes that Data was dozens upon dozens of times more physically powerful than any other humanoid being. If I remember right only borg drones were capable of having any chance in a physical confrontation, and even then it might take more than one. Picard actually makes the androids BORING to watch with all these over the top flashy scenes.
@godzilladestroyscities17574 жыл бұрын
All those spin kicks makes it seem more like a show designed for teenagers on the CW. It could be too. Maybe that's what they're going for? Impressionable young minds with no money?
@ExecutiveChefLance4 жыл бұрын
@@godzilladestroyscities1757 Kurtzman and JJ Abrhams simply need to hire some Writers who are willing to tell them their Story Direction is shit. They also seem to not really care about Small Details. Instead going for Big Fan Service Bullshit which falls on its head almost every time.
@NestorCaster3 жыл бұрын
The only... only... only true matches for Data, besides Q, was Lore and Lal...physically in particular.
@metazare3 жыл бұрын
@@NestorCaster You're right of course about lore, he slipped my mind. They did have a few physical altercations in the show if memory serves.. Lal also would make sense because I think data made her almost identical to how he was designed.
@NestorCaster3 жыл бұрын
Metazare Lore modified himself and gave himself battle armor too
@richard13134 жыл бұрын
Doesn't matter whether it's Star Trek or the Expanse, for science fiction to work it must remain consistent within its established boundaries or the consumer will drop out of their disbelief suspension bubble.
@compmanio364 жыл бұрын
Exactly. I don't care if you have space wizards with magical powers, but you'd better decide up front how those magical powers work, and keep them consistent throughout your show/movie. Picard takes everything we've learned about the Trek universe in 30 years of media and says "Nah, fuck that, this is how things work now." And not even in a way where it's consistent from episode to episode in that series.
@sherazade824 жыл бұрын
Totally agree. I'd go one step further to say for any story regardless of genre to work, it must remain consistent within its established boundaries.
@ghostram79003 жыл бұрын
Exactly and for another example Fallout the game series has really disappointed me because 3, 4, and 76 just basically said "oh yeah remember all those large and significant events from the other games? well fuck those, and fuck you" you can't just do that when since the first game on things have been certain way, it completely ruins immersion and belief
@Scylon13 жыл бұрын
Someone explained the difference between Fantasy and Sci-Fi. In Fantasy basically anything is impossible. the "rules" are actually more of a guide and you can be anything basically. In Sci-Fi you are set rules that cannot be broken. ST: Picard is basically a fantasy.
@lobsterminion6933 жыл бұрын
Scotty: "The disbelief suspension bubble is at critical levels. She can't take much more of this!" Kurtzman: "I'm proud to announce a new Star Trek series, Strange New Worlds." *Engineering explodes*
@whos-the-stiff4 жыл бұрын
One would imagine that a species of androids would be able to instantly devise a way to launch a coordinated counter attack on one person instead of standing there gawping and launching individual attacks. Androids were really done a disservice by this show.
@TheRPGenius4 жыл бұрын
Maybe 1 of the countless non-Star Trek sci-fi sources that Kurtzman stole from was Dragonball Z, in which androids were as stupid as everyone else in existence when it came to sitting back and letting all fights progress 1-on-1.
@user-ut9ln4vd5m4 жыл бұрын
They actually tried to _kill all biological life_ too, at least for a while. Lore didn't seem to mind... I mean, not *Lore,* that was totally Dr.Soong's biological son, _that_ makes _perfect sense._
@beef6334 жыл бұрын
They apparently all had bluetooth disabled for better battery life lmao
@rouninpanda63184 жыл бұрын
@@TheRPGenius The androids from DBZ were actually cyborgs, though, except for maybe 19 and 16. And going by the lore, in Future Trunks' timeline, 17 and 18 could never be defeated, because they always worked together so they couldn't be overpowered. In that sense, the DBZ "androids" are smarter and better than the STP dunces.
@Duothimir4 жыл бұрын
@@rouninpanda6318 You're sleeping on my boy Eighter
@erentheca4 жыл бұрын
Pro tip to Kurtzman-tier writers: If your character has many times normal human strength, is highly durable, and quick, all those fancy martial arts moves are entirely unnecessary. In fact, if your character employs all those flamboyant kicks and flips, it actually makes the character appear physically weaker, because the audience understands those moves are used to overcome a lack of physical strength in the upper body by leveraging lower body strength and torque to deliver far more powerful blows than what the body would normally be capable of. TNG writers understood that strength in combat is communicated in five ways: 1) Your character doesn't bother to block or dodge attacks because those attacks are incapable of causing harm. 2) Your character effortlessly throws opponents across the room 3) Your character delivers devastating blows with little care or effort. The juxtaposition between a seemingly weak attack and the devastation it wreaks on opponents communicates, very effectively, that your character has extreme physical strength. Even a light backhand sends an opponent reeling backwards. 4) Your character's movements are not stopped, or even slowed by opponents. 5) Your character can grasp hard enough to cause extreme pain, or completely immobilize an opponent, and with little effort.
@bjugler4 жыл бұрын
They Could Watch Terminator 2 if they have any questions.
@TheBlarggle4 жыл бұрын
lool, doin flip look like flying tho, loool
@cattraknoff4 жыл бұрын
@Jimmy De'Souza He's fighting androids.
@myrddinemrys13324 жыл бұрын
@@cattraknoff Are they real androids though? Or are they the Borg wet dream that is the flesh and blood Soji and Lal?
@nikitazkolibri55603 жыл бұрын
@@myrddinemrys1332 And Kurtzman's team has taken this without reflections....without thinking about the speeches behind blade runner....and it shows, because if this super-synthetic life form, eliminates the biological life, as they are biological (we can see it with the Golem), it means that they will be destroyed, the borgs too ! What made this finale ridiculous in my opinion was this detail of their big stupid threat! They are enhanced, biological creations, that can be seen with the Golem: it looks like a clone of Judge Dredd (the movie with Stallone).....but at no time do we see cybernetic elements: which is ridiculous because Data explains it at various moments: they are artificial, cybernetic, they have nothing biological. ...as opposed to Maddox's synthetics, which are more like the delusion of perfection that Dr. Arik Soong dreamed of with his augmented ones.... basically, they have taken over Blade Runner, without understanding its meaning, nor why the human/android boundary was destroyed to make them biological in the movie..... simply because the movie Blade Runner talks about human, about how we can take away the humanity of individuals because they are born artificially, cybernetically and biologically improved (so improved) .... but they are not real Androids, they are called that way because it allows them to have the public opinion against them: they say it in the movie: nothing allows to differentiate a human from a "replicant", except the lack of empathy. ...why? because they are biologically human.....so if we follow the same logic with STP, the Synthetics are biologically improved humans......broadly speaking, nothing to do with Androids, but they tried a good repompage of Blade Runner, without understanding anything of the movie.
@Bopperann4 жыл бұрын
I think I want to curl up in my human cave and watch TNG for the next few decades...
@KingKimwer4 жыл бұрын
Dont you mean, "for the *Next Generation* " 😏
@Gary_Nadeau4 жыл бұрын
Can I join you.
@em234 жыл бұрын
You're not the only one.
@arav134 жыл бұрын
I'm actually do it. Im gonna finish 2nd season now
@Drewsky8404 жыл бұрын
Sounds nice. I'll be in mine too.
@moorhen61564 жыл бұрын
this is how it should of gone down, romulan throws punch, android catches fist and crushes it- fight over
@Arcona3 жыл бұрын
Should of? What does that mean?
@djangofett48793 жыл бұрын
nah, you can defeat them with dancing
@dannyflynn56812 жыл бұрын
Why would you even try and punch an android in the face, we only punch to the head because that is where our brain is, and our brains and skulls are relatively fragile, to do that against an android is literally possible, the only possible way to beat an android would be in finding a way to restrict its movement
@rb930770394 жыл бұрын
Alternate video title: How Strong is Data in TNG vs Data's stunt double in TNG
@tigerbread784 жыл бұрын
Lol
@11jerans4 жыл бұрын
Data’s stunt double is the strongest man/android in the universe
@etsequentia67652 жыл бұрын
Brent Spiner in 1st season TNG having Data grinning like a psycho for no apparent reason (because he hadn't honed in the character yet) always gets me.
@MsDemonBunny6 ай бұрын
I always thought Data was grinning like that because he was trying (too hard) to seem less intimidating. "Do not fear me. I am kind and friendly!" Figured that some humans, prior to Data arriving on Enterprise, had expressed fear at his strength and when he needed to use that strength, he over-compensated when smiling...that was over the top and did indeed look a little psychotic. 😂 Don't know how much was scripted and how much was Spiner, but over time one does see the character more polished.
@TheRealKaiProton3 жыл бұрын
You notice how it went from totally believable (in a scifi sense) in TNG to unreal batshit crazo in picard.
@Justsomeoneyoucouldhaveknown4 жыл бұрын
Data needs to be a player in Mortal Combat. His signature move is just him using his fore arm... stop all inbound attacks
@eta_carithebrightlord33964 жыл бұрын
Nah, it should be lore, I can't imagine data ripping people apart
@Justsomeoneyoucouldhaveknown4 жыл бұрын
@@eta_carithebrightlord3396 true, he was the evil one. Only said data cuz he uses his arm pretty much every episode. And iuno I could totally see data as a killer. Even in this clip where he grabs the one guys arms ... he could have kept going and just folded his arms behide him then right after when he grabs the next dude by the chest and lobbs him across the room. He didn't have to, he could have just broke thru his rib cage and pulled out a still beating heart
@Justsomeoneyoucouldhaveknown4 жыл бұрын
0:55 Just pitcher this seen a little less PG 13 and a bit more R
@FrostUK4 жыл бұрын
Last fight scene looks like something from Power Rangers.
@patrickschulz21934 жыл бұрын
That's not necessarily a bad thing in and off itself. :P
@HaloJaxed4 жыл бұрын
No need to insult Power Rangers like that, my man.
@LeeroyPorkins4 жыл бұрын
Considering *Spoiler* The Red Ranger in Operation Overdrive was in fact an android
@patrickschulz21934 жыл бұрын
@@LeeroyPorkins Y'know, funnily enough, I always thought Megaforce Red would be revealed to be some kind of android, too, on account of his actor's wooden, lifeless portrayal. :v
@ucitymetalhead4 жыл бұрын
It looks like something from any number of shows none of which are star trek.
@Lodatzor4 жыл бұрын
Romulans have become so powerful that they can kick an android into the air despite not making contact.
@BioGoji-zm5ph3 жыл бұрын
Yes. They have discovered the power of the Force. Soon, Star Trek will begin incorporating Midichlorians into its lore... which actually wouldn't seem at all out of place at this point.
@dodojesus45293 жыл бұрын
@@BioGoji-zm5ph part of the mushroom network
@arav132 жыл бұрын
"i will try spinning"
@rb930770394 жыл бұрын
3:21 I've always loved how Data yeets that Borg!
@davidcarter38303 жыл бұрын
I love the scene where Data holds in place a gangsters car as effortlessly as he was holding a door open.
@lesigh17499 ай бұрын
Its a taxi
@kevindavis59666 ай бұрын
Super strength doesn't make you super heavy. Unless Data was able to brace against some other strong or very heavy object (besides the ground), the car would still be able to move him back, as he weighs far less than the car.
@Shadow257204 жыл бұрын
To be fair, Data got stuck in a finger-trap in TNG
@Excalibur014 жыл бұрын
Probably because he didn't want to break it
@cheyenneeagle48154 жыл бұрын
He wasn't stuck he didn't want to break it
@NitpickingNerd4 жыл бұрын
He emulated the strengh of a human to understand how a human would get out of it
@leedsmanc4 жыл бұрын
@@NitpickingNerd Name checks out
@johnnythed11754 жыл бұрын
It was probably an antique
@thel13554 жыл бұрын
Can’t spell “stupid” without STP.
@Menaceblue34 жыл бұрын
*U* think *I'D* rather give you these extra letters...
@tek5124 жыл бұрын
Data and Lore don't appear to actually be trying in most of these. They're probably much stronger than we've been lead to believe. Either way, the androids in Picard are definitely way weaker than he was.
@nikitazkolibri55603 жыл бұрын
the golem is biological lifeform (hack from BR the movie), no cybernetic lifeform
@raw66683 жыл бұрын
Not really as they are shown to be stronger like the easy neck snap of the worker from Utopia Planitia or the what her name android able to jump over 80ft. It was just TNG was more consistent while Picard was the plot. If they have their main characters fight them at all, they are super weak. If they have to show their strength, then they are super strong and fast
@nikitazkolibri55603 жыл бұрын
@@raw6668 The A500s are the work of Maddox, they were Androids but not conscious. It is after the "failure" that Maddox fled from Starfleet to visibly continue his work alone (allegedly). And Data has as much power as the A500, maybe less because we understand that the A500 were created for a specific purpose: work in dangerous areas and heavy work. ...Data and Lore were not created for this purpose...but STP is very illogical and random....if you think too much about the logic of the STP scenario, it breaks down. ...Just the existence of Altan is a big problem of coherence: that Arik and Noonian Soong look alike: it was possible: almost 300 years separated them but here we are talking about Soong's "SON".... which is equivalent to qualify Altan as a Clone, not as a natural son of Noonian (especially since they admitted he was not Julianna's son, and if Altan is the same age as Spiner: he was born right at the moment of Soong's wedding. ...or even a little bit after....which gives another reading of his words in Inheritance...and makes him totally irresponsible, hypocritical and liar....And gives reason to Lore in "Brothers").....Only for Altan's Synthetics: when we see the fight, technically they shouldn't even have flinched, but they are not cybernetic beings but enhanced individuals, biological creations: the Golem proves it by far. ...just like the "twins"...who by the way are not Data's "daughters", but Maddox/Altan....rien's explanation on positrons fall down: it's like hoping that the electrons of our PC will give back the lost data of our computer: if they have a scientific adviser, the guy is like the historical adviser on 300: he was used to make a pretty face and he was given a scene to make it look
@raw66683 жыл бұрын
@@nikitazkolibri5560 The writing is a major problem with the show, as they are not consistent. I would not mind if as much if it was different from the series. Otherwise, I would be a hypocrite since they change things in the TNG era compared to the Orginal series, such as the Klingons or technology. Things need to be updated to keep the story consistent as they could do things with better technology or technique. Not to mention, we have a better understanding of things and realize that things need to change to consist of true science or make them stand out better. The problem is they are not consistent within STD or Picard, for both show that it is very much a case of the power of the plot, if not by how awesome it is. And not even we made a new procedure or new technology to get out of a jam like the old series that is consistent with their technology. It is, as you said, unless you look at it with mindless fun, you won't have fun, for it really pushes the audience's acceptance of disbelief in the nth degree. The fact the writing is not written with a timeless way of speaking or even their own slang hurts it more than anything.
@aurex89374 жыл бұрын
0:39 Data is me and Picard is Kurtzman when he begged the audience to give Picard "a chance."
@punishedbearzerker54004 жыл бұрын
It's gotten to the point where whenever the cast and crew of any production goes on interviews or social media and begins begging for the audience to "give it a chance" my immediate reaction is to think it's going to be terrible.
@dolomighty744 жыл бұрын
Wait wait wait, he really said that??
@aurex89374 жыл бұрын
@@dolomighty74 Yep! He did, during a panel for... I don't remember, but it's in pretty much every review of the show. Including RLM.
@mikel96563 жыл бұрын
TNG: Datas body is enhanced that's why he has the abilities that he does. PICARD: She is an organic human body with an android brain abomination..... WHY THE HELL DOES SHE HAVE SUPER STRENGTH?
@nikitazkolibri55603 жыл бұрын
Because they don't understand that the "Androids" of Blade Runner are Augments, not androids: in the movie, they are humans, an augmented biological creation: It's easier to make people believe that we are killing "machines" than artificially created humans, like the Augments of Star Trek. This would explain some things: the fickle physical strength of synthetics, the fact that they can die from a fork in the eye, bleeding ect.... they are not Cybernetic beings, they are not Androids, they are Augments, biologically advanced beings, improved via cybernetics: Cyborgs at the limit...but not Androids! The movie Blade Runner takes this side to destroy the border with the human, precisely because it asks the question, at the same time on the Ethics but also on the humanity of such a creation.
@nikitazkolibri55602 жыл бұрын
@Billy William Blade Runner
@nikitazkolibri55602 жыл бұрын
@Billy William Not Cyborg, not biological humanoides
@nikitazkolibri55602 жыл бұрын
@Billy WilliamSynthetics are not biological beings, they are creations made of silicon, they are androids totally, nothing to do with the improved biological creations of Blade Runner, which can reproduce with humans, and therefore are human, CQDF. If we look at the background of Blade Runner, we create human beings, living, calling them "Androids" with what it implies (being considered as a machine because they live only 6 years and have superior physical abilities), in order to hide that the only and last resource used is human....(Blade Runner depicts a world where the resources are so exhausted, that they force the departure to the outer colonies). This absence of the androids was a big drawback to K. Dick's novel, but it implies an interesting reflection in the movie. The only problem is that the director has obviously never understood what the writer of the script wanted to express.... in view of his outbursts on the subject of Deckard. The famous synths of soong are like the "Replicants" of Blade Runner or the Clones of Judge Dredd: Totally biological, which is a nonsense towards Data.
@nikitazkolibri55602 жыл бұрын
@Billy William Les Synthetiques d'Alien sont des Androides, ils n'ont rien de biologique, ils reproduisent des éléments biologiques, mais ils ne sont pas biologique: il faut différencier définitivement cette composante, chose que le film de Blade runner a raté justement et qui lui a été fortement reprochés a l'époque. Les synthetiques d'Alien ont un fonctionnement qui ressemblent a une entité biologique mais il n'en est rien: ils leur faut une maintenance tout les 4-6 ans, sinon ils dégènèrent physiquement et idem de leurs puces mémorielles qui commencent a avoir des problèmes sans maintenance informatiques. biological is not cybernetics.... What is black goo? The entities of Blade Runner are biological, but nothing is explained in the film on how or from what. But it is said in the movie that they are indistinguishable, except psychologically and empathically, from a human, so that means they are genetically indistinguishable from humans: so they are humans.
@seraphinaaizen62783 жыл бұрын
When Data first creates Lal, Picard makes an offhand comment about how dangerous it might be to have her wandering around and uses the phrase: "with the strength of ten men". While Picard might not be being literal, it at least gives the impression that he thought Data was approximately 10 times stronger than a human. Given Klingons and Vulcans are canonically three times stronger than a human (despite several episodes where human characters manage to defeat them in fist fights), and Data is still able to completely overwhelm Vulcan and Klingons, this seems about reasonable.
@Pepesmall3 жыл бұрын
I always assumed the humans winning was more based on technique, sort of in the way that a smaller human with practiced technique can take down a human of much greater physical strength, like despite the Klingons being a warrior race they seemed to fight based more on emotion and sheer violence (except for worf, who had the practiced technique of humans.) Beating Vulcans only really makes sense through guile (which of course, we’ve seen used to expert effect in star fleet) but an android of data’s capabilities should be able to easily defeat any humanoid, even 10 at a time, given his improved strength speed dexterity and mental speed. An android would be able to simply think and move too fast to ever face any danger from a single humanoid
@_.dace._2 жыл бұрын
@@Pepesmall technique wont help against 3x stregnth unless they have a massive iq difference too
@gabrielfranco18992 жыл бұрын
Vulcans are stronger physicly then klingons humans are weaker then both those races i dont know about romulans they always seem to weak on all the series
@meisterproper83042 жыл бұрын
@@gabrielfranco1899 considering they are usually villains, they have to be depicted weaker since they fight a lot with the good guys. Vulcans are almost never seen in fights against the crew
@CODisthebest1012 жыл бұрын
(Human + metal pipe)>Vulcan. I at least know this much
@oriontaylor25784 жыл бұрын
A part of what made Data special was his uniqueness and his work to become more human. Picard just shat on all of that and made androids flesh and blood... I hate what Kurtzman did to Trek
@logiciansvlog58003 жыл бұрын
That's why it ain't cannon
@RhysGFrelsa-Eudyptula3 жыл бұрын
Data was also a "one of a kind" design of Soong.
@em.16332 жыл бұрын
I think the argument could be made that you're looking at different decades here. Think 60s vs 90s. Tech changes over time. At the time of TNG, Android tech was in its infancy and Data struggled with being a prototype android - there's even an episode where his creator creates an emotional chip for him but dies before he can install it. In Picard, it's decades later, and so you're exploring a universe where Android tech has progressed a ton. It's like comparing computers decades apart, yes the ones in the future will be way better.
@em.16332 жыл бұрын
That said, I totally agree Picard flies in the face of what made Star Trek what it was. It has NEVER been about the violence, violence has only ever been used when it made sense, to add gravity to a situation. Even then, almost every time it ends up being the threat of violence and not the real thing. Look at how many times TNG climax has them facing a hostile ship where they might have to destroy each other, and how almost every time Picard finds a diplomatic solution. Violence in Star Trek shouldn't be spectacle.
@theredscourge2 жыл бұрын
It's odd because they made them pass for human when scanned, etc, and show the girl leaping really far, yet make the rest of them weak. that can only be bad writing
@johnferguson48693 жыл бұрын
This reminds me how much I enjoyed Spiner in Enterprise. He had some great scenes in that show.
@kg4boj4 жыл бұрын
40 kilobars is a LOT of strength! The highest grades of steel approach 5 Kilobars
@worldweaver26913 жыл бұрын
ah thanks for the comparison/context. thought it was a technobabble term.
@one_step_sideways2 жыл бұрын
@@worldweaver2691 if you don't know what bars are you're just ignorant
@chrishague8759 Жыл бұрын
How would data's strength compare to a kryptonians or alara kiten from the orville
@kg4boj Жыл бұрын
@@chrishague8759 no idea who the kitten is but Superman aka the kryptonian is extremely overpowered in modern versions. You know originally he couldn't even fly, he just jumped like the hulk
@chrishague8759 Жыл бұрын
@@kg4boj no never knew that about superman being overpowered. What about data's strength against lou ferringos incredible hulk version
@r1singthorn44514 жыл бұрын
Lore: "are prepared for the death that awaits you little man" 😂
1:19 This wasn't Data in this scene, it was Lore but I guess it doesn't matter, they were mechanically identical.
@jakeapplegate66423 жыл бұрын
Should have left the “greetings” after she unloaded the SMG on him.
@chairde3 жыл бұрын
Data was one of the most interesting characters in science fiction.
@Squib-kb2tn3 жыл бұрын
I just realized you had to say "was." I'm gonna cry again. ;n;
@emagotis4 жыл бұрын
Some very well done cuts here!
@jeremyjohnson88444 жыл бұрын
"Picard" is the biggest affront to anything, ever.
@michaeljones16864 жыл бұрын
Sounds like this guy hasn't heard of Star Trek: Discovery.
@PDXVoiceTeacher4 жыл бұрын
Was there ever any doubt?
@davekohler59574 жыл бұрын
@@michaeljones1686 STD is better than Picard
@SlimThrull4 жыл бұрын
Not been paying attention to current events, I see.
@whatwedointheshadows33494 жыл бұрын
a lot of picard was pretty good. the ending was a little messy but that's a common problem.
@Maxjoker984 жыл бұрын
1:19 That isn't Data, it's Lore!
@CRIMI0N4 жыл бұрын
True, but the point still stands.
@SPTX.4 жыл бұрын
In the same episode Soong says they are virtually identical except in programming.
@compmanio364 жыл бұрын
What episode is this? I've seen TNG all the way through many times and I don't remember that scene in any of the episodes.
@Maxjoker984 жыл бұрын
@@compmanio36 I think it should be season 4 episode 3. I can give you a synopsis, but if you hadn't watched that episode that would not be nice.
@THall-vi8cp4 жыл бұрын
compmanio36 I believe the episode is called "Brothers." It's the episode where Soong activates Data's homing beacon so Data completely takes over the ship, owning the crew in the process, and heads to wherever Soong is. Of course, Soong had no idea Lore had been reassembled and so was summoned by his beacon as well.
@ericsbuds4 жыл бұрын
1:49 lmao I don't remember that scene, but that is hilarious :D Klingons never cease to amuse me.
@zyral.f.69384 жыл бұрын
Yup, yup, yup. No unnecessary humanoid noises from Spiner while exerting himself as an actor. Plus always great to see props picked up original thrown around, not just other actors into and over stuff to denote strength. Could'nt help but think (though yea, unrelated) how great the clip of black lodge meat puppet Cooper in season 4 Twin Peaks arm wrestling for gang control would fit in with android like acting to contrast the grunting and huffing synthetics in ugh STP. (Unless she was programmed to act like one with lungs, pulling up that floor, but still. Just elucidates the oblivious contempt Kutzman + twats have for a minor thing like world building for a show.)
@elanderan11044 жыл бұрын
I always loved the episodes with Data in combat. This compilation is very thorough.
@NitpickingNerd4 жыл бұрын
I forgot to include a scene in Insurrection when Data lifts a huge rock
@joshs45946 ай бұрын
I don’t think we ever saw the full extent of Data’s strength so it’s hard to judge.
@Deadeye3133 жыл бұрын
Let's just say: "It's a good thing he's on our side".
@SchardtCinematic4 жыл бұрын
Spot on! Picard series was stupid plain and simple.
@Princess2Warrior4 жыл бұрын
*Look up "Star Trek: Picard making Bunnicorn Pizza" on KZbin and you will see where the majority of the show's focus went into.* :)
@ZeroB4NG4 жыл бұрын
7:30 ... look at this and say it with me "Picard is going to be a CHARACTER STUDY". ....HNNNGH?!
@dmgroberts5471 Жыл бұрын
4:31 I love this bit, Worf, of all people, being all, "oww, that hurt!"
@PrimeMover44 жыл бұрын
Can someone explain why they're called synthetics in Picard and not androids?
@Yusuke_Denton4 жыл бұрын
Nobody has reliably been able to explain that.
@n3rdy114 жыл бұрын
W.A. Mozart Probably Kurtzmans idea of reinforcing the point how they are "just as alive, buts its synthetic life!", without that the whole "plot" of synthetics vs biological life wouldn't even exist, so Kurtzman just decided to make AI, androids, and robots all part of the same "faction", the "synthetics".
@sargon60004 жыл бұрын
Because someone jokingly told Kurtzman that he'd have to pay royalties to Google, and he actually bought it.
@memphis77424 жыл бұрын
In "Relics", Scotty said "synthetic commanders" when referring to Data. So, for me, this is not an issue.
@cleanerben96364 жыл бұрын
Because its the in thing to call them synths, because reasons. Probably something to do with the 80's.
@scottland86984 жыл бұрын
Data when confronted with a problem that logic/science can’t solve: *Yeet*
@krono0694 жыл бұрын
Data was such a badass. One of my all time favorite Star Trek characters.
@charzanboo99404 жыл бұрын
The video should be called how strong, fast, durable, and agile Data is.
@TheRyFiNetWork4 жыл бұрын
I really enjoyed this video up until the 6:35 mark, then some high budget fan film kicks in. Clearly they had money to spend but don't seem to understand the material they are trying to replicate. Thank god that's only a fan film, can you imagine if they made something like that officially and it became Canon? Lol crazy talk. .... :( FFS CBS.
@135HowdyDoody4 жыл бұрын
Interestingly, I personally find the most impressive-seeming out of all of Data's feats to be crushing that gun barrel between two fingers. That gun wasn't even made out of real matter! Wonder why that in particular sticks out to me
@pajchoking83883 жыл бұрын
1:20 That was not Data, that was Lore
@aloverspoetry3 жыл бұрын
the fact, that in Star Trek Picard the Romulans were still able to go up, shows that Data was more powerful
@maggs1313 жыл бұрын
The scene where data gets uber pissed at the Borg while yelling stop over and over is one of my favorites
@cellulanus4 жыл бұрын
Data was basically a Terminator.
@Squib-kb2tn3 жыл бұрын
Nooooooooooo. He's a softie who likes cats and paintinggggggggggg
@codzz69793 жыл бұрын
@@Squib-kb2tn and then he snaps necks and completely obliterates the borg. He also pulls the borg queen into acid. But sometimes he can be a “softie”
@deamondeathstone14 жыл бұрын
I never noticed that Lyta Alexander was shooting at Data before.
@Diamondfist14 жыл бұрын
This video can be summed up in seven words: "look both ways before you cross Data".
@kenbX2 жыл бұрын
1:43 He makes a perfect Bully Mcguire "Oh, look at little Worf Jr. Gonna cry?"
@arw19853 жыл бұрын
Aren't Romulans pretty strong themselves? They are cousins of the Vulcans who have some pretty freakish strength.
@mia4md4 жыл бұрын
Soft mode: human like : not activated Hard mode: android like: activated
@KL-oj2my3 жыл бұрын
thank you for this video, I feel I am understood. The androids in the later episodes of Picard are a joke, in fact the series in a whole is a joke, I feel offended despite not being a "real" trekkie
@TinySpiny3 ай бұрын
The arm wrestling scene with the Klingon gets me every time, I love it.
@imjustajanitorbut23993 жыл бұрын
Romulans and Vulcans for that matter have been depicted repeatedly with effectively superstrength as well, it should also be kept in mind that these are not fully synthetic androids but some kind of biological hybrid. So it actually makes a lot of sense that the only biological lifeforms we actually see physically contesting with androids are Borg and races with superior strength. Like I get that a lot of people forget how strong Romulans and Vulcans actually are because they’re always portrayed as more mental characters.
@robertbaker41864 жыл бұрын
Some of these are Lore rather than Data :) but none the less data is hands down my favourite character ever!!! Fantastic work from Brent Spiner
@dodojesus45293 жыл бұрын
In this case it really doesn't matter since they are physically identical
@robertbaker41863 жыл бұрын
Since data & lore obviously have the same physical strength, i know it doesn't matter, I didn't say it did but either way its still good acting from the actor who played the characters
@ericstoverink65793 жыл бұрын
I didn't know Rufio was in the star Trek universe.
@lillithb16614 жыл бұрын
1:40 That music kills me every time 🤣 It sounds like a video game song
@mmsmith17774 жыл бұрын
So all that understated, matter-of-fact, relevant to the plot scenes from STTNG have been replaced by slow mo and 10 minutes of ninja acrobatics. Ya, it was embarrassing to watch. The devolution of a beloved franchise.
@chunkychuck4 жыл бұрын
This is fun to watch in 2x
@bigddannyflynn-filmmaker56942 жыл бұрын
Then in S2 Picard nearly gets killed when he gets hit by a car, whereas if a car rammed into Data the car would be a smoking wreck
@bobpage65973 ай бұрын
0:42......I like the fact Picard was supposed to be unconscious at this moment, yet he still manages to grab the frame and guide himself down easier 😂😂
@Glasmond3 жыл бұрын
Thanks, as if my crush on him wasn’t already off the charts.
@Squib-kb2tn3 жыл бұрын
I RELATE TOO MUCH TO YOUR COMMENT
@davidmarsh79334 жыл бұрын
Its disgraceful how the Federation treats Andorids in Picard. They decreed that Androids were not to be treated like slaves but people
@agonleed38413 жыл бұрын
You're talking about sentient robots. Those robots that became sentient. And data made an argument for them. But data was the only one of his kind. Aside from I guess B4. All other robots didn't magically be considered a sentient thing. They still were TRYING to make another data. It wasn't about how they looked. It was about how they were as a being. Those robots were still JUST robots. And as JUST robots...they destroyed a lot of shit. It makes sense that they were used as just very capable robots... because that's what they were. They weren't on the level of data or those robots that became sentient..that he made an argument for. They were just following orders and doing their job just as any other computer. So..not slaves. Now maybe the sentience sparked...but they fucked shit up..so then it was safe to just say HALTto all the attempts. Because then there would be another risk of such magnitude.
@cmiller98003 жыл бұрын
I like how 60% of the video is Brent Spiner being a straight faced bad ass and the rest is the Vulcan/Romulan/LoTR elf from "Picard" doing fight moves
@AckzaTV3 жыл бұрын
1:32 "Now show me your warrior fierceness 😏" and the fucking terminator 2 music plays lol late 80s early 90s music was so funny
@OganySupreme4 жыл бұрын
That fight with Elnor concerned me when I watched it. Perhaps THOSE synths aren't so strong. They were never shown doing anything impressive. One even died by being stabbed in the eye. Soji and her twin sister who died in the pilot seem to be the only impressive synths. They may have been the masterpieces from Soong like Data was. Also, Data was never made to be a killer machine. Maybe the other synths were made like that as well, but Soji and her sister were made differently to move out into space, so they had to be able to defend themselves.
@GabrielFlies4 жыл бұрын
Even so, you would imagine that they weren’t made from cardboard? 😂 one backhand and they fall like a pack of cards
@dodojesus45293 жыл бұрын
Nice theory, not in the show. Seriously what sentient cabbage thought a romulan kicking android butt was a good idea?
@LeePresson4 жыл бұрын
Wanna know what was stronger then than it is now? Data's chin.
@jcraigwilliams706 ай бұрын
I always loved the "ow..." at 5:29.
@scottniederauer21483 жыл бұрын
Boy, I'm sure glad someone told me those last scenes were from star trek, or I would never have known.
@adambrown39184 жыл бұрын
Great compilation! Thank you. My mind has been made up for sometime. I have no inclination of ever watching Discovery, Picard, or re-watching any of the J.J. Abrahms Star Trek movies again. Star Trek - The Animated series 1973 has more creative merit than all of them put together! 😡
@Kant3n3 жыл бұрын
Wasn't Data a bleeding-edge pet project android? Why the hell are the cheap ones doing Dragonball LARP?
@FrogSpatula423 жыл бұрын
Remember the Kurtzman rule: all lore and logic can be disregarded if you want a scene where a Romulan ninja kicks someone in the face
@notallthatbad3 жыл бұрын
I love how throwing someone two feet in the air causes them to fall from 9 feet in the next frame.
@FrankMillersEvilHat14 жыл бұрын
Romulans I always guessed had 3x the strength of an average human like Vulcans but I also assumed Klingons were similar in strength so it really doesn't make sense. What can even fight Data hand to hand? A gorn? I mean they been seen tossing boulders or an augment?
@patrickschulz21934 жыл бұрын
Probably, an overwhelming force of Borg drones, augments and… maybe greek gods :v
@richardched60854 жыл бұрын
He is supposed to have twice the strength of Khan Noonien Singh....
@THall-vi8cp4 жыл бұрын
I would wager much more than twice Khan's strength.
@charzanboo99404 жыл бұрын
@@THall-vi8cp How so? Khan was tossing guys around like rag dolls just like Data. The Augments in Star Trek were kicking Klingons down entire corridors with one hit. In Wrath of Khan, old Khan lifts a piece of the bridge's ceiling supports which would weigh thousands of pounds. I would say the only thing that gives the edge to Data was him holding back that taxi car with one hand. 10 times seems a good ballpark.
@ExecutiveChefLance4 жыл бұрын
@@charzanboo9940 Super Humans have the Upper Limit of Physical Human Strength. Which is no where near the ability to bend a bar of metal like Data did.
@myrddinemrys13324 жыл бұрын
@@ExecutiveChefLance Tell that to Sherlock Holmes.
@Htheorphanarian4 жыл бұрын
seeing as you introduced non-cannon at the end, can you add in a clip from 80s series 'Benji', that dog was leet madskillz!
@Zivin5 ай бұрын
The fact that irl he’s afraid of heights and always had to jump off ledges during filming 😂
@slumbertrap65064 жыл бұрын
0:40 (cough) (cough) I dont think thats right.
@psi90004 жыл бұрын
Data hit him so hard, he spun in the opposite direction!
@ummdustry57184 жыл бұрын
I mean this seems pretty consistent in my mind: Zhat Vash and Qowat Milat just do funky eugenics to their operatives, they are romulan after all. (either that or those specific androids weren't optimised for strength in the same way)
@caboose.202 жыл бұрын
0:29 Data: Blue Skadoo. We can, too.
@observantservant21353 жыл бұрын
Dang. Data knocked the stuffing outta that heavy set feller, that went sailin'
@laurenjcoates4 жыл бұрын
5:32 “ow” LMAO classic Data
@michaelkelligan79313 жыл бұрын
The androids in "Picard" are all woke as well as gay!
@Squib-kb2tn3 жыл бұрын
Woke AND gay. What a combo. XD
@terminat13 жыл бұрын
Data is stronger with one hand than the combined might of Worf and a Romulan. That is amazing.
@theusernameicoodfind4 жыл бұрын
I don’t recognize enough of these episodes and I want to watch them now :(
@edwinvermeulen81873 жыл бұрын
If you look at the old trek, you will find an episode where Spock says that vulcans are several times stronger then humans. Its logical to assume that since Romulans and vulcans have similar ancestors, Romulans are at least stronger then humans. Also in the last clip, he's not showing pure strength, but rather inertia, Also as a final note: Androids are constructed. They might have an inbuild restrictor that prevents them from utilizing there full power, much like Soji, when she wasn't activated yet
@gliderspace3 жыл бұрын
I think it is understandable that the aside from Soji and her sister, most androids in Pickard are actually equivalent to humans. The original android from TNG was created as a "high performance tool" for assist missions, and due to Data tech innovation, he were granted a "human" status (oh, that famous trial, it was amazing). Soji and her sister actually carry the "task" of being their (new androids) leaders, hence the need for them to be able to defend themselves with high skill levels, but the rest of them were actually created IN HUMAN'S IMAGE, which was the original dream that Data had.... To be HUMAN, not more than it. So yeah, Data is strong AF, SOJI and her sister are strong AF, the rest of them are just high tech pleb.
@Prometheus40964 жыл бұрын
Whaha, that last clip of raw footage. Turns out androids get hard countered by capoeira, somehow.
@ExecutiveChefLance4 жыл бұрын
lmao. They learned it in the Mirror Universe in Discovery and Spock's Half Cousin Billo left a message for Picard explaining it.
@infinite_end7252 жыл бұрын
I guarantee Kurtzman cannot consistently answer what a "synth" actually is: what their bodies are made of, how they work, how they think