How Strong Is True Ultra Instinct Vegito?

[@SethTheProgrammer]

YOSHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA my editor put 90 quadrillion as 90 trillion, but it is actually 90 quadrillion sorry.

[@M4R1104]

It’s ultra vegito/gogeta

[@doki2795]

Been waiting for this one

[@agilraj1145]

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@ToxicTim]

0 hour gang

[@justbored182]

YOSHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[@anondescriptbullet]

I, for one, accept the idea of Vegito being a 7"6 unit

[@ashpaoisme6673]

yeah i hate the fact that goku is only 5'9 and vegeta 5'5

[@ophhate]

No way is he 7'6. And seth is high if he thinks vegito is taller than like 6'4 4:51

[@ashpaoisme6673]

@@ophhate yeah anime heights are inconsistent

[@Lizuya]

Bros towering over shaq💀

[@Mannyhdz0052]

@@Lizuya but he still is smaller then the tallest human who has ever existed 💀💀

[@commandercody5573]

Vegito Is like that 1 friend who is good at literally everything and eats only what mom makes and has never gone to the gym and still benches more than you.

[@artzy-g2b]

That one imaginary friend

[@boogie8586]

​@@artzy-g2b you don't have friends? Sad

[@Honor2.5]

@@artzy-g2bOng 😭 like who is bro yapping about

[@AtrotiousAnti]

That wouldn't be broly? Or Gohan? Vegito and Gogeta are a fusion

[@kaegcaeg3389]

@@AtrotiousAntiif u factor in the personality as well then vegito is most fit hh

[@CreaterCyfire]

I'm especially happy that you pointed out the fact on how smart Vegito actually is. People would always try to downplay him by comparing the Buuhan fight with the Janemba one, saying that Vegito was goofing around while Gogeta straight went for the kill. It's as if people ignored the whole plot of him trying to free everyone that Buu had absorbed, it's absolutely breathtaking xD

[@SkyprinceVII]

Amen he had to map out the fight perfectly to be absorbed making sure buuhan thought it was was his idea. God level analyst.

[@surprisedtom8382]

​@@SkyprinceVII exactly that's really genius level strategist move.

[@chakarita]

yea but Gogeta is stronger

[@oi_anims]

@@chakarita 🤓

[@jagtech490]

@@chakarita wow who knew the movie character was stronger

[@madnessguy1300]

As strong as vegito might be now, i can only assume using any of it would cause him to immediately un-fuse due to shortening the time limit on the fusion.

[@Trixical00]

They're gonna need some sort of super potara lmao

[@adnan_velic]

Wait even with the earrings? I thought the time limit was only with the fusion dance

[@Trixical00]

@@adnan_velic The time limit is retconned if the fusees are immortal which Goku and Vegeta are not. The time limit is either 30 minutes or an hour I dont remember for sure!

[@elgordobondiola]

​@@adnan_velicpotara has 1 hour limit that gets shorter with power output. Dance has 30 fixed minutes and they have to wait for a while after the fusion ended

[@alexdeghost2729]

Vegito would be so fast that he could fight at full power before defusing now.

[@EricxCire777]

He’d be op because he can dodge with ultra instinct and power up from getting hit from ultra ego if they can use both simultaneously

[@onlyinohiobruh]

Depends on the Ultra Instinct. If it's mastered, Ultra Ego would be basically useless because Vegito would be dodging all the hits, making the power increase basically useless. Only thing it would be good for is giving a MASSIVE multiplier. To be honest if Vegito used UI and UE his fusion time would barely be 30 seconds.

[@tr1stonn]

@@onlyinohiobruh not really cause UI is a technique and Super Saiyan Blue is a full on transformation

[@nocturne311]

@@tr1stonn So you think Goku can sustain UI longer than SSB essentially?

[@Naokarma]

@@tr1stonn UI is a technique, but saiyans utilize a transformation to use it. This has been stated and restated an indefinite amount of times in the franchise.

[@zerrez9791]

lol thats not possible you cant dodge an attack and get hit by it maybe in a quantum world

[@mitchellconner6928]

If they wanted to amp fusion to potaro level, they could introduce they idea that the fusion is stronger the stronger the bond between the 2 is. This would have a cool side effect of making Gotenks somewhat relevant again as well. just a thought, though.

[@wc5502]

then vegito would be too op. vegeta and goku have a stronger bond than trunks and goten

[@astro4735]

@@wc5502 he’s talking about the fusion dance not Potara

[@mitchellbailey6258]

Failed gotenks can compete enough to fight cell max. Can you imagine a ssj3 gotenks with the same logic of power?

[@Swolliey]

@@wc5502 he’s talking about the dance and besides the they have to be the same body type if the effectiveness is changed by the bond of 2 people it would buff the fusion dance to be on par with the potara earrings where they just fuse two people and multiply their power by a lot

[@lightningmcqueen4078]

@@mitchellbailey6258 Cell Max was primal and had no idea what he was doing at first

[@Mousquetaire-du-Roi]

Bro, the Tenkaichi 3 music !!! I'm trying to focus on what you're saying but I listen to the music and get lost in nostalgia and memories. Then I watch again to hear what you said ! Twice the views, it's genius!!!

[@travistreadway3180]

Gotta say too, this video taught me more about the meaning of why he fought like that, it’s so subtle but you saw it and most fans don’t. Thanks Seth for making the show EVEN COOLER love the videos

[@rainsleif8709]

I don't even mind how strong Vegito is at this point he's just a badass in my eyes. Cool clothing? Check. Insane Power? Check.

[@AviorGloria]

Better than Gogeta? Check.

[@Unidentified_UnknownUser]

@@AviorGloria check. check. check. hopefully we'll see more of him

[@tdtre_pmfc4111]

@@Unidentified_UnknownUser fr I love him

[@eduardovarela4462]

@@AviorGloria gogeta is way more fun to watch, my man goes around serious af and beats the absolute living shit of the opponent and goes :) after he wins, also Big bang kamehameha, stardust fall and soul punisher>>>>>>>>Boring ki swords

[@Tian113]

@@eduardovarela4462 Final kamehameha>>>>>>>>all of those

[@alanyang7801]

So basically, Vegito is a psychological horror to his enemies lmao. Breaks their mental, then he just dismembers them after. On the Gogeta topic, I'd say his edge is in being a great analyst in the fight as he uses different techniques and strats to destroy Broly. First physically, then spiritually through the use of the Soul Punisher/Stardust Breaker, and finally weakening Broly by anatomy. Broly literally got the his sense beat back into him by Gogeta before he went for the killing shot. Of course, courtesy of Geekdom for covering it in-depth. Feel like Seth went too hard on Gogeta so I gotta do my boy right lol.

[@ZenRyoku]

im a huge follower of Geekdom... but if there is a chance that this guy is using a different point of view with fascinating twist on what seems to be a legit side point... i have to consider that point... because it does have a certain out of the box thinking that has a logical basis... regardless of if he is right... it's still intriguing none the less... 💯

[@alanyang7801]

@@ZenRyoku absolutely! I love Seth’s channel as he always talks about outside points and brings in different perspectives that others usually wouldn’t consider. Plus, he uses his sources well to prove his point. No disrespect to the guy.

[@dinogt8477]

yes

[@vtecnegro85]

agreed. I kinda think he may be the ultimate fusion right now

[@TrippieMint]

Gogeta and vegito are different mentally and physically vegito is stronger then gogeta sure vegito attacks in all ways psychologically and physically while gogeta is shown to adapt to the situation and he has more of a calm and serious demeanor while vegito is more out going also gogetas portrayal in GT is quite similar to vegito but GT is it’s own beast

[@ivanmunoz9055]

I actually think that if "true" multipliers were used, SSJ3 Vegito could have given Beerus a fight during Battle of gods time.

[@alexdeghost2729]

No because Goku knows that wouldn’t be enough.

[@sidecharacter3193]

No because he knows how strong vegito would’ve been already

[@ivanmunoz9055]

@@alexdeghost2729 to be fair ssjg wasn't either and fusions don't appear much in the series because the concept is too OP. The usual argument is that Vegeta and Goku don't like to fuse but the reason is that fusions are too strong, Vegito or Gogeta would have wiped the floor with Jiren. The thing is, depending what multipliers you take, Vegito SSJ3 is stronger than Goku SSJG. There are two main theories for fusion that I've heard, the first one says that the base power of a fusion is equal to the sum of the maximum power of both parts, so with this theory Vegito base will be equal to Goku SSJ3 + Vegeta SSJ2. The second theory says that the base power level of both fighters are multiplied and that is the base level of the fusion. With the first theory and if you take the maximum multiplier I've seen around for SSJG which are either 1 million or 2 million, SSJG Goku will actually be stronger. With the second theory however, Vegito SSJ3 would be much stronger than Goku SSJG. Although Goku said in his fight against Beerus that not even with the fusion he would have reached that power level but we must remember one important thing, SSJG has Ki while Vegito didn't, so in my opinion is very much posible that in terms of raw power SSJ3 Vegito would have been stronger but that doesn't mean he would actually be stronger or capable of defeating a SSJG.

[@alexdeghost2729]

@@ivanmunoz9055 None of what you said matters because after his first face off against Beerus, Goku, who knows the power of Vegito, says that he would still stand no chance against Beerus but once he becomes Super Saiyan God, is comfortable with the idea of fighting him. Beerus just happened to be even stronger than what Goku felt before. This is even faster the initial ritual failed where Goku became stronger than anything in the Buu Saga and Goku still didn’t feel comfortable fighting Beerus.

[@GokuBlack._]

Those boosts lost their meaning a long time ago power levels literally don’t matter. Either someone is really weak, weak, strong, or super strong. That’s it.

[@PapaToks]

Canonically, Vegito/Gogeta never lost a fight. Shows just how OP fusion is.

[@yami122]

they lost against zamasu and omega shenron running out of time and defusing is a loss the Vegito/Gogeta is gone the other guy is not if your form has a time limit you lose if that time limit runs out so actually who have they beat theirs broly and janenba

[@TheDangerNoodle]

They said *canonically* Defusing because you were literally too strong for the fusion isnt a a loss

[@TheDarkMaster312]

@@TheDangerNoodle it isnt a win either

[@theflyingace611]

@@TheDarkMaster312 So by your own admission, it's not a loss, so the fusions have not lost, glad you agree

[@SuggonDeezNutzzz]

Also, Goku has never beaten Vegeta l, but Majin Vegeta did beat himself 💣

[@Rundas045]

Imagine if a post- Granola Vegito could quickly bounce between TUI and UE to abuse the strengths of each form. Use UI to dodge, go UE when he's gonna be hit to amp up his power, go UI for a quick counter attack and go UE to land the hit and deal massive damage. Basically use UI for speed and then UE for power. That'd be sick to watch.

[@1gloqkin]

nah, that would be absolutely insane

[@edgarvega5859]

Like vegeta in the goku black arc switching between red god and blue for defense and offense (in the manga)

[@whichcache2517]

I always had this dumb idea in my head that if Goku and Vegito fused, that they would combine Ultra Instinct and Ultra Ego into "Ultra Superego", after the concept of Superego, since I interpret Ultra Instinct as being Goku's Id. Doesn't fit too neatly, since the Ego is supposed to be the arbiter between the Id and the Superego, but that's my take.

[@Rundas045]

@@edgarvega5859 precisely!

[@coleschave7872]

i think them fusing in their ultra forms wouldn't work, the whole concept was that it had to be two people of damn near similar strength and style, now vegita has destroyer aura and goku basically has a mangekyo sharingan XD theyre so different now in terms of power that a fusion would be kind of broken.

[@ElevatedScvrecrow]

Seeing Vegito for the first time was the most hype moment of my childhood (anime wise)

[@hellbillyjr]

I really look forward to an update to this after we hit the Black Frieza arc. The power levels for Portora fusion are already stupid high.

[@theace8502]

As much as I love Vegito, and as much as I personally think you're right about how powerful he *should* be, we all know that come the end of the day they're gonna make beerus and whis waaaaay stronger than you think. They're goal posts, simple as that. So tbh, no, I don't think they've surpassed him by any means, and it's simply because the author will say so

[@erikedward283]

Honestly I think it perfect sense for whis to be the strongest for for a while if not forever I mean they're angels that have been alive for millions of years in the constant state of ultra instinct with other abilities and just look at the stuff that Whis has been able to do without even having to use 5 or 10% of his power

[@selfishbeats]

whats simple is beerus and whis are known to be tricky with language and be liars that was in the first movie, he said he would destroy earth so he went and destroyed a rock.

[@EvilGeniusRANIK]

They are still stretching the gap between Mortals and Gods. Beerus will always be stronger than Vegita, Goku and even Black Frieza. Toriyama just didn't plan ahead when they implied that NORMAL SSJ God Goku was using making Beerus use 70% of his power. By that logic, SSJ Blue Goku should have already been at least three times stronger than Beerus.

[@theace8502]

I agree with everyone above me

[@erikedward283]

@@EvilGeniusRANIK well they reconnected that 70% saying

[@Tanner85800]

I personally like gogeta just a bit more because I always thought he had cooler moves in the games like raging blast and such(other than the “I’ll just use my feet” combo vegito gets because of the bonus disrespect points) and I liked gogetas design more as a kid.

[@jasonone8726]

Vegito has more moves though, the only thing Gogeta had, was the Stardust move.

[@danielsniff6405]

@@jasonone8726 well, that's just because he has like 2 minutes of screen time and bodies his opponents with a couple moves

[@WizG.]

@@jasonone8726 Uuuh did you not see the moves he used in DBS Super Broly Movie? It was more than just the stardust. Plus he was never making the argument on the amount of moves he just said Gogeta's just looked better.

[@jasonone8726]

​@@danielsniff6405 2 minutes of screen time, is enough to see more than 1 move.

[@jasonone8726]

@@WizG. No, he said Gogeta had cooler moves. I did love the Big Bang Kamehameha, in GT it's a shame that wasn't in Broly, it was just a regular Kamehameha.

[@kidalpha6367]

Vegito will always be the strongest fusion! apart from that he looks extremely cool, has an admirable badass character and comes across as super cool! his fighting style is also outstanding. Most of the time he only needs his legs to fight because the opponents are usually too weak for him to have to use his hands. He acts according to the motto: make me use my hands. He is and remains the coolest character i love him!

[@FrostDrift69]

Yea he was always my favorite fusion too

[@SunsetJam]

I wouldn't call him humble, but he's def a badass. Check out the Ultra Vegito series by ARJ when you have time.

[@BartholomewTheIII]

Vegito def the strongest fusion. But damn, Gogeta's just more badass.

[@Sushidog2005]

@@BartholomewTheIII cap vegito is just way cooler tbh, he is the og goku vegeta fusion

[@kiryuthedragonwarrior2746]

@@Sushidog2005 Gogeta is the OG Fusion Toryima made Vegito to replace Gogeta, cause Fusion Reborn was in the process of being made Vegito is just the discount Gogeta

[@dragonsuper6195]

Super Banana Vegito would absolutely stomp the entirety of Naruto, that ain't a joke

[@goldenpersonwhoexists8834]

Funny as hell. I can imagine Naruto getting a banana, unpeels it, bites into it, just for his jaw to shatter into pieces

[@ZayDeyknow]

I'm pretty sure vegito doest have to train to get Ui Ui sign TUI or UE since vegeta and goku already have it and we know that anything they can do he can do better hence why he's second time appearing he just jumped to Blue form

[@921hockeyfan]

I think the only difference is that blue form was something both Goku and Vegeta could already use. Maybe he comes out with some crazy mix of UI & UE?

[@interesting_title]

@@921hockeyfan vegito has been shown to use techniques that only one of the fighters knew though

[@921hockeyfan]

@@interesting_title very true. I think if we were to ever see it in the official manga, we’d see a vegito that could tap into UI or UE individually, and in the peak of the battle a way to combine the two. Would be one hell of a read

[@lancetheking7524]

@@921hockeyfan Ultra Vegito lol

[@RFG910]

@@921hockeyfan I mean gogeta could use kamehameha and vegeta doesn’t know it so he likely combines their knowledge and uses it depending on what he feels he needs

[@michaelheath1194]

I really enjoyed this! Vegito was always my favorite character and it's nice to hear people analyze his traits and power. 😊

[@GhostDog37]

He is my favorite character to because only in the manga he is untouchable in a fight 😎

[@wannabeslav]

I'M A PROUD VEGITO FAN, AND ALWAYS HAVE BEEN. He's in my interchangeable top 3 but I'd probably say he's my favorite character. I love the fact that he attacks the opponent psychology, and how well he does it. Dude can style on anyone in Dragon Ball, and he definitely puts Gogeta in the ground in seconds if he doesn't shit talk him first.

[@chosen7934]

🧢

[@IAMvonte-2518]

Vegito more badass. Gogeta more savage.

[@FXRCEDASHITPOPPA]

Mans said gogeta bodied gogeta in secounds… Man is the biggest vegito fan

[@makosen]

Vegito true ui and ue ampered would folds Whis into pancake

[@Unidentified_UnknownUser]

@@chosen7934 🤓

[@Jcbryant123]

@17:58 thank you for finally speaking the truth that many in the community are afraid to admit.

[@CARLGULA]

As a long time Dragonball aficionado myself I absolutely agree 💯 percent. I don't think people realize that when the Potara fusion takes place, the 2 fused beings become a new entity altogether. Vegito is by far my favorite fused Dragonball character (although super Saiyan 4 Gogeta in Dragonball GT was pretty badass). The fusion dance creates a fused fighter that is not a new entity but a true fusion of the 2 fighters, the Potara fusion is meant to be more permanent meaning the fused parties become a new entity altogether which is why I enjoy Vegito so much. Power level is among the best ever created, it's his fighting intelligence that I respect the most. Vegeta is an amazing fighter, some say Goku is impeccable & when you combine the 2 you get a fighter that truly understands what it takes to be the best fighter of ALL time. Goku has the right mindedness & understands the need to control ki, Vegeta has the bravado and Saiyan instinct. This video is extremely WELL DONE! Seriously this was an amazing watch & I appreciate how much effort you put into your research. Keep up the good work ✌️

[@CARLGULA]

@DA BEAST you are correct, what I was meaning though is that the fusion dance results in an entity that expires after about 30 minutes compared to Potara fusion that's supposed to be a more permanent solution. I definitely should've clarified better

[@Ave_Satana666]

Maybe the reason vegito seems so different from Goku or Vegeta is because it's actually Goku's true personality

[@koleyturner8491]

@@CARLGULA lol no you didn't say that

[@CARLGULA]

@@koleyturner8491 which is why I clarified in the responses ✌️

[@Animedumptruck]

Too bad they gutted Vegito with retcons

[@themacewens]

Another crazy statement about Vegito is that in a GT guidebook it doesn't just say that SSJ Vegito is probably stronger than SSJ4 Goku, it says that *BUU SAGA* SSJ Vegito is. Considering Omega Shenron is 10 stronger than Syn who is comparable to SSJ4 Goku and Buu saga SSJ3 Vegito would be 8 times stronger (since he is probably using SSJ1 grade 4, if not then oh boy he stomps), it would honestly be a close match.

[@richardshiflett5181]

Ss4 Goku would flick buu saga vegito

[@Samirahmed-oi7vb]

@@richardshiflett5181 I literally have no words.

[@darkxsoul9682]

@@richardshiflett5181 can’t argue with guide books

[@JotaroGamingg]

@FriezaTheMonkey when frieza became a monkey he sure did get some smarts

[@shadyseto706]

It doesn’t say “SSJ4 Goku” it just says SSJ4

[@MXALOVE]

I'm just imagining Vegito pushing Whis up against a wall and being like "Looks like you've got something for me"

[@myrealnameisjared]

The Fu-

[@abird2309]

Bro finna need this transformation to dodge them allegations

[@Madmanzers]

Gogeta in true ultra instict wouldn't even be Beerus level, just shows how much better Vegito is.

[@evervanhgm4879]

BRO!!! Love the dragon ball video's that have been coming out lately, Thanks! Keep them coming!

[@coletrain_one]

The GOAT has been very consistent lately, another W video.

[@sirminty8495]

In regards to Gogeta, both times he appeared he had an immense power difference from his opponent. With Janemba, he ended that fight in a single flurry, a couple of knees to the face and a single ki attack. He had no reason to bother with demoralizing his opponent to lower his strength. The difference was just that vast. With Broly, Gogeta seemed to want to test his own strength. Purposefully holding back as a super saiyan. When Broly evolved further, continuing his seemingly limitless growth, Gogeta decided it was over. Against a blindly raging opponent, no amount of psychological attacks would work. Broly was just blindly raging. With Janemba, it was pointless. Gogeta hasn't had time to really shine against an opponent where psychological attacks were useful, or necessary to the win. This is not to say that Gogeta is remotely close to Vegito, he's not. But he hasn't needed to show off his own genius against an opponent before. In GT, Gogeta did use psychological warfare to GREAT effect on Omega Shenron, but ultimately fell short due to the timer being significantly reduced due to the strain of Super Saiyan 4. Gogeta definitely is a little more carefree with enjoying a good fight, playing easy with his foes against Broly and against Omega, but Janemba was a different story. Gogeta I think hasn't truly shown off much of his talents. Vegito had better scenarios to show off his genius with defusing Super Buu as a plan, and demoralizing an Immortal enemy to weaken them to the point of being able to kill said immortal. Gogeta, in Fusion Reborn and in the Broly movie only needed his raw power and didn't have to deal with a foe with any kind of special traits. At best, Broly's seemingly limitless potential to rapidly grow was his only issue, but the blind rage prevented him from psychological attacks.

[@origon4477]

That's cool and all but vegito will always be stronger so... ok

[@ixprophecy]

@@origon4477 😂😂W

[@josephbooker259]

Good take

[@randomreactionstv2721]

@@origon4477 lol keep thinking that lol

[@Unidentified_UnknownUser]

@@origon4477 W 😂🤣

[@alexanderwindh4830]

This video is insane! The detailed explanation

[@kingzuna8007]

I think we definitely know who seths favorite fusion is 😂 he didn’t even try to hide the bias on this one lol

[@majinsaiyan4369]

Oof bro ski straight up called Gogeta trash. And literally said Vegito was more intelligent as if Gogeta isn’t also Goku and Vegeta fused. But he did say that due to feets but we haven’t gotten enough out of Gogeta to prove so.

[@animatedmvs8818]

@@majinsaiyan4369 like bruh what did Vegito do ? Fused Zamasu was landing blows on him. Gogeta blue was beating broly like a rag doll. Broly > Zamasu. Goku was able to damage fused Zamasu on his own while LSSJ Broly was not dealing any damage against both Goku and vegeta.

[@AhsanGaming133]

@@animatedmvs8818 bro that goku and vegeta are stronger,they were after TOP vegito is a AxB compared to gogeta’s BxB also vegito has the rival boost

[@animatedmvs8818]

@@AhsanGaming133 That's what I'm saying. Goku and vegeta are stronger in the Broly movie and yet Broly manhandled both of them in his LSSJ form and proceeded to get annihilated by SSB Gogeta. While fused Zamasu was getting hit by Goku and Vegito SSB didn't do much damage considering the power boost potara provides. The difference between Vegito and Gogeta isn't as big as Seth claims .

[@henjin4671]

@@animatedmvs8818 Vegito is still a better fusion over all cause of the rival boost

[@childoflight9084]

I'm a Gogeta fan and I accept that Vegito is beating him in a fight. Although I don't agree with Gogeta being WAY below Vegito, the gap between the two will only get bigger as time goes on. Didn't enjoy the Gogeta slander but all together an interesting video

[@joweydelanota7421]

Gogeta is the better fighter

[@Y_O_U_N_G_T_G_1]

@@joweydelanota7421" " -insert receipt please

[@kaynaantheexpert1087]

@@Y_O_U_N_G_T_G_1 he meant more fluent and agile with a lot of haxs

[@Miko-xq7uk]

@@kaynaantheexpert1087 ???

[@dripjaeger3475]

atleast you accept he beats him in a fight, not a lot of Gogeta fans can admit that

[@EL_TRUECUBANO414]

Crazy how Seth comes back once in a while to gives us bang vid 😭😭🙏🙏

[@Libtardo123]

It is my head canon that Beerus could only use a small percentage of his power in Battle of Gods because he was asleep for so long. A similar concept to Gohan in Resurrection F where he could barely go SSJ.

[@ellisp276]

Gohan was just pure out of shape Beerus was just not using all his power to make Goku feel stonger

[@ProjektTaku]

Plus he likely hasn't fought anyone near SSJG Goku for millennia so his skills could be rusty, especially since he's also probably groggy from waking up early.

[@Dioslux]

Happy you picked Vegito's theme from FighterZ. It's so badass.

[@darkrosetrill]

Top 1 fighterz character

[@amateurboi_yt8371]

Everytime I see a Gogeta vs Vegito, they always say Gogeta wins. I have always believed wholeheartedly that Vegito wins due to it being a more godlike fusion, because it requires an item of the gods to be created. And this video practically proves that

[@amateurboi_yt8371]

@DA BEAST Yeah, and Vegito is shown to be smarter in both categories

[@MyCvll]

@@amateurboi_yt8371 yeah but Gogeta gets the job done and goes in for the kill every single time. So who is really smarter? Someone who toys around in a fight or someone who goes for the kill?

[@amateurboi_yt8371]

@@MyCvll Did you even watch the video? Vegito doesn't toy around, it's all apart of his strategy to anger the opponent and especially manipulate them. Like how he manipulated Buu into absorbing him

[@Tybreakerr]

@@MyCvll man didn’t watch the vid 💀

[@Sushidog2005]

@DA BEAST no it s not lol it has been stated like 50 times that vegito is stronger lmao

[@mr.epandemic13]

Gogeta is still GOAT'd in my mind and that won't change, but I can still respect Vegito

[@gavin7261]

There is no one trying to change what you like friend. It’s just stating. I think the vegito vs gogeta arguments are kinda pointless tbh

[@gavin7261]

@sk it’s not really specified that they’re equal, it’s mainly just implied by toriyama after the gogeta movie came out. They’re equal strength and have the “same weakness”, guessing that’s time limit. But he did say their personalities is the out layers. So if we can take this video evidence into account. It’s basically calculated aggression(gogeta) vs extreme calculated genius(vegito). But then again there’s not really anything offical making gogeta equal to vegito. Only the multiple official guides saying he’s stronger than gogeta

[@malikthomas8452]

They literally the same person vegito just a little stronger Gogeta could win

[@Substantial-hf1rm]

@@gavin7261 The problem is that we know for a fact Tori didn't write and let's be real, ain't reading them guide books.

[@gavin7261]

@@Substantial-hf1rm it came out of his mouth lmao ?? And if you want to ignore official scripts then that’s kind of on you.

[@mikegratz4503]

You srsly opened my eyes to vegito and now he's my favorite character.

[@creeperkinght1144]

This is a great analysis! I definitely agree with you over the Gogeta vs Vegito shenanigans hands down, and I can appreciate that someone can recognize the other half of martial arts in DB, the way of the mind. Martial arts isnt just about physical strength, it's also having a proper mindset, with a calm disciplined and confident closure set before you, and being able to respond naturally, or even subconsciously if you let your potential go that far. Vegito does that very well, and shows that DB is much more layered than people realize. Great video!

[@The2bGaming]

16:55 "If Gogeta Blue was struggling with a guy maybe stronger than Beerus" Gogeta Blue was struggling? Gogeta Blue never got touched, per my recollection, and was going to kill Broly within seconds of even appearing. I wouldn't call that struggling.

[@TheSentryMA]

He’s not stating that as a fact. He’s explaining why that doesn’t work as a way to debunk vegito

[@12801270able]

Seth doesn't have much credibility tbh. Realistically, in canon, it's likely Whis will still occupy some tier of power unfathomable to the Z Warriors for now; even if a hypothetical Gogeta or Vegito fusion were to show up right now.

[@primalvelocity3811]

Yes, Gogeta Blue was struggling against Full Power Super Saiyan Broly. A serious, near full power Gogeta Blue was hitting Full Power Super Saiyan Broly with both melee attacks, and Ki blast attacks, and Broly was taking them with absolute ease, each attack just making him more angry than hurt or damaged. Gogeta was having a difficult time permanently putting Broly down, to the point he had to use a full power Kamehameha to possibly finally defeat Broly once and for all. Gogeta was struggling in the sense that Broly just would not stay down, he kept staying on his feet. That's a struggle.

[@12801270able]

@@primalvelocity3811 Gogeta was toying with Broly. Once Gogeta went Blue, Broly was unable to do anything against him, whereas Gogeta was extremely casual about the entire scuffle. The only card Broly had that made him competitive was his resilience.

[@foldfoldfoldfold]

@@primalvelocity3811 even super saiyan goku in namek was "struggling" to put down frieza despite beating his ass the entire time. most characters in this show dont stay down when getting beat up. even when someone is exponentially better than them.

[@thebanjoorder4446]

My only wish is that one day Gogeta could be in the series proper and stop being a movie only form like he did in GT and really get a chance to shine cause i love him and broly and fighterz has only magnified that

[@dillybilly2611]

Gogeta literally has had more of a chance to shine than Vegito simply because he was in the movies. Since fusion reborn , ppl liked him a lot, and now broly has made him more popular than Vegito . Everyone says he’s stronger based on one pamphlet or whatever it was vs the canon itself (elder kai). and the last Vegito encounter anyone remembers is the badly executed Vegito vs Zamasu in the anime. If gogeta comes to the anime he’s probably gonna get shafted like Vegito

[@alswisha8519]

Broly is a canon movie so he is in the series

[@thebanjoorder4446]

@@dillybilly2611 That is a fair point

[@thebanjoorder4446]

@@alswisha8519 I meant him being in episodes rather than movies

[@lordgogeta2123]

@@dillybilly2611 I mean it was more bc of plot than power or whaterver issue, which sucks. I wanted Vegito to get that kill on Zamasu

[@sntzdtoxins]

i’m not even big on dragon ball i just enjoy listening to this guy talk about it

[@Ril3y400]

I'm highly confident that even with fusion be it Matamoran or Potara that Whis would still work Gogeta/Vegito, even if they had access to UI

[@dan_4531]

Hell yea. Seth tweaking on this one. He said so himself, vegito is equal to beerus and whis literally knocked out beerus in one tap. Theyre underestimating whis big time. Whis also grabbed moros punch with one finger🤣🤣

[@Seven_DB]

@@dan_4531 Vegetto in the Goku Black arc was equal to Beerus. Add on 3 arcs of training and power ups and new forms + Goku now being equal to that previous Vegetto and it wouldn't be unreasonable to say Vegetto would be enchroaching on Whis' level

[@liquidbrainstorm]

@@Seven_DB nah whis is a lot stronger. Even if vegito is 100x stronger than beerus now. He's still not at whis level.

[@powerjolt7215]

No of course lmao. Whis at 1% is more than enough. We've never seen Whis's full potential power, but based off hax, G.o.D's fearing angels.. well not fearing, but listening to them and Whis of course one shotting Beerus... yeah no they op

[@Seven_DB]

@@liquidbrainstorm But saying he's 100x stronger than Beerus is a extreme lowball. Using the god scale of SSG Goku a 6, Beerus a 10, and Whis a 15 it illustrates that the difference between SSG Goku and Beerus is slightly smaller than the difference between Beerus and Whis. By the time of the Goku Black arc Goku's base has surpassed his initial SSG transformation (Due to the scaling chain of SSB Vegeta/Goku (Pre training) < SSJ2 Goku Black

[@Sheep.]

Getting so many Seth uploads in quick succession is so great to see lol. Always makes my day.

[@Shiyoken]

Really good video and anaylsis. I haven't heard or thought about some of the things you've mentioned about Vegetto; especially with his mental tricks, physical prowess and semantics during the fight with Buu! Good stuff!

[@Milennin]

The way I've always seen Fusion vs. Potara is that they've both got equal potential, but Potara is guaranteed to give a perfect fusion between 2 fighters, whereas Fusion is dependent on the performance of the dance. So, unless both fighters perform the dance absolutely perfectly, it'll always end up being worse than Potara.

[@melancholicthinker9291]

Inherently Potara is superior due its mechanics Potara can fuse any being regardless if they’re similar or not Aka why Goku can’t use the dance to fuse with Piccolo due a Saiyan an Namekian being too different and relying on Vegeta to dance with Whereas Potara doesn’t care it fuses regardless, aka why Zamasu could fuse with Goku Black Moreover Fusion Dance requires both targets to have equal power Whereas Potara doesn’t care If Goku is stronger than Vegeta then Goku has to lower his power to match Vegeta to fusion dance Whereas Potara Goku doesn’t need to lower his power, resulting in Potara being the stronger fusion

[@d4r4m53]

@@melancholicthinker9291 I agree, Potara inherently work better like the Old Kai said, but it isn’t necessarily stronger. Many sources imply both fusions have the same multipliers. I could only see Vegito > Gogeta being plausible if you assume the strongest fighter lowering their power level would actually affect the resulting fusion’s strength, which might not be the case. Even so, the dance won’t work if the gap between powers is large enough to make a difference, and Goku and Vegeta are basically equals nowadays

[@SSJRyu1]

Vegito will always be the GOAT. Great video man, glad to see Vegito getting the respect he deserves.

[@ClaíomhDClover]

Vegito is the story of how the most perfect fighter came to be. I remember watching it back then and was like "that's a bit too broken"

[@mikeexits]

Heh, that's what I'm saying about Black Frieza even after everything up to Super.

[@Yvans1021]

This comment really makes you sound like an npc

[@GodlyZOfficial]

Yeah that’s how I feel about Vegito. When he comes out, he just powers up and stomps. Not saying Gogeta doesn’t but Vegito stomping Zamasu like that while talking shit is asinine. He wasn’t even trying fr.

[@xocry]

@@GodlyZOfficial Did he stomp Zamasu? No, Zamasu tanked his kamehameha like nothing

[@darktigersharkmax4432]

Damn Seth is really pumping these out but I'm not complaining. Vegito would be so strong he could beat Jiren, Broly, and Beerus with little difficulty the scaling is just ridiculous. I never understood why people keep saying gogeta is stronger or equal to vegito literally one promotional statement implied that and the entire community ran with it, like Seth said vegito is outright stronger.

[@bladerninja2942]

I made a comment on a different video and someone tried to argue in replies that gogeta is stronger than vegito because he said that gogeta bullied broly harder than vegito bullied zamasu

[@RFG910]

@@bladerninja2942 bro 💀 gogeta would likely be smoke that version of vegito but that’s only because they have the amp of a whole entire arc after goku black literally both goku and vegeta got new forms and goku mastered his

[@johnman8398]

​@sk All whis says is that the gap between Jiren and them was not as big as it seemed and that it only seemed that large because of his ability to better make use of his full power. Its a vague statement meaning Jiren could have been actually much weaker and it was mostly skill or that he was only slightly weaker and skill played only some part. As for Potara in ToP the dozens statement doesn't change anything as again its vague cause it could be any number of dozens its not a definitive nerf for potara.

[@TheDarkMaster312]

They ain't beating Beerus, Tori will buff him endlessly apparently.

[@atifadurrani68]

​@@RFG910

[@RandomDude69209]

How strong is Tyrone (full power in the shower)?

[@RicoTheExMongolianSlave]

Boundless

[@6ixman485]

Naaaa😂

[@dollarsignmexican]

Probably could beat a Vegito and Gogeta fusion.

[@imvertigo7561]

Thank you for this Seth, honestly ever since DBS Broly it feels like everyone has just considered Gogeta to be this badass superior fusion while Vegito is just this dumb fool who can’t win a fight. Nice to have some respect and facts out on my boi. Good work as always! 👍

[@bungbananaman]

He could've won the Buu fight if he had just killed Buu and IT'd to New Namek and wished his friends back. That would've been a way more safe and less risky plan than just stupidly letting him absorb him. Vegito isn't smart. He just got stupidly lucky.

[@bungbananaman]

Gogeta did the smart thing in both fights. With Janemba he concentrated positive energy into an attack to negate the evil energy Janemba was made of. With Broly he knew that energy projectiles didn't seem to be working on him which is what Goku and Vegeta had been trying on Broly. He only got madder and stronger. So Gogeta knew to weaken him through body shots and jabs, breaking down his barriers and making hin more susceptible to massive energy attacks. Which is what happens in the final half of the fight.

[@hanging4176]

@@bungbananaman So he would’ve won if he killed his friends and family? Wow I wonder why Vegito didn’t do that? It’s almost like his goal was SAVING THEM.

[@bungbananaman]

@@hanging4176 So instead he stupidly assumed his barrier could stop an absorption, despite no one else trying to do the same thing in the exact same scenario, and risked the entire universe being destroyed by throwing the match.

[@BESTMOAD]

@@bungbananaman no you assumed vagito was smart enough to know

[@TheAnimeGYt]

The other argument is that people say gogeta's finished every one of his fights which I think is dumb regardless it's nice to hear some Vegito love at the end of the day it's crazy to think these earrings might put them on the level of Frieza training 10 years or surpass it getting up to that grand priest levels🤔

[@gavin7261]

That’s all true. I just say those people are insecure. Cause gogeta has 2 movies about him. And vegito was in a arc not about him so ofc they’re going to finish the fight in the movie

[@alsimmonshellspawn6021]

Gogeta is more badass and cooler

[@gavin7261]

@@alsimmonshellspawn6021 that’ll have a lot of merit and use in a fight right ? But also that’s your personal opinion too🤷‍♂️. You’re allowed to it. I think vegito is funnier and way cooler.

[@Lizuya]

Gogeta’s only had 3 battles right? And he never finished broly. Some ppl’s arguments just dont make sense💀

[@TheAnimeGYt]

@@Lizuya right but they'll argue that Gogeta had the intention of killing and Broly was saved by someone else, but Vegito blue try to kill someone and fail to. making him weaker in their logic even though the person he fought was immortal.

[@christiancinnabars1402]

15:26 I actually think Gogeta knew Broly would be wished away before the Kamehameha connected, since he reacted to Shenron being summoned(and knew it wasn't Frieza summoning him). So I take the Kamehameha not as a kill move, but a "this is how much stronger I am than you" move. He also doesn't have a surprised reaction to Broly teleporting away, which is another tell that he precog'd the wish being done.

[@interesting_title]

I think ya gotta rewatch the scene, gogeta is for sure suprised. Also gogeta isn’t aware of chelai and Lemo or their relationship with broly. Him knowing it’s not frieza wouldn’t give him any reason to think someone would be trying to save broly. Especially when the only person they are aware of that had a connection with broly died a bit prior

[@oscaraguilar6980]

Nah, he definitely was going to wipe out Broly. I’m not too sure on this, but Gogeta and Vegito are their own entities, and pretty much are their own people, in my opinion. Gogeta tried to calm down Broly with the soul punisher, and it didn’t work because Broly wasn’t evil. It worked on Janemba because he was the embodiment of evil, and Janemba reverted back into that regular Afterlife Worker, lol. The Soul Punisher is supposed to get rid of evil, once Gogeta saw that it didn’t work, and Broly was just rampaging, he knew he needed to kill him.

[@AngelKnightZeo713]

Gogeta didn't know that at all; the moment Stardust Breaker didn't work on Broly (Remember, Broly was grieving Paragus' death when he turned LSSJ then rampaging seconds after. Stardust Breaker wipes out any and all evil within a being's soul + the binding technique Goku did as a SSJ God also failed to restrain Broly; as stated, Broly in Super isn't evil), Gogeta was gonna kill Broly right then & there.

[@nonbasicz]

@@AngelKnightZeo713 sucks aswell because Goku didn't want to kill broly, vegeta definitely wanted to kill him and tried several times seems vegetas idea to kill him took priority

[@HeroOfJusticeYT]

Such head cannon

[@sonkokun6824]

I just wanna say, that Gogeta was not struggling at all against Broly. He never even took a hit after going blue.

[@andrewvanorden2336]

Agreed

[@Citrus1196]

100%

[@OlandoWilson-te7ie]

What are you talking about🤡 gogeta get hit in Super Saiyan🤡🤡

[@adamstrangelove1081]

I never realized Vegito's arrogance was a strategy 😃wow I guess Gogeta and Vegito do have some personality differences afterall

[@gogetathestrongestfusion]

Nope he is literally cocky like Vegeta confirmed in games and every other debut

[@deckzone3000]

@@gogetathestrongestfusion Games? 😂

[@gogetathestrongestfusion]

@@deckzone3000 yup don't need to just take the anime and Manga while vegito has really only two fights while gogeta has three

[@seven1544]

@@deckzone3000 LMAOO

[@Xester_200]

@@gogetathestrongestfusion no

[@seanfrazier8990]

I feel, he would without a doubt be stronger, the issue would be that no potara would be able to link them. If Vegito Blue was forced to separate due to immense strength, ultra instinct goku and ego Vegeta wouldn’t even be able to potara.

[@ImAHamsterDude]

whis could just create something like a special pair of potara but the issue is i dont see why either goku, vegeta nor whis would want to do this.

[@Jeovaunihunter]

We have not once seen any evidence of Whis full strength. How can you say Veget is stronger?

[@generaldane]

​@@Jeovaunihunter because powerscaling is some dumb shit that's why

[@statickiler2355]

Vegito is the best fusion by far. Hopefully he comes back one day🙏

[@Picmanreborn]

@@wantedfortaxfraud Kefla and Gotenks are really great too tbh. But I got Vegito over them. I'm just glad someone else appreciates them

[@claudioschumi87]

As a long-time fan of Dragon Ball, for me, I love both fusions and I couldn't care less about who is stronger than the other, I think they're unique in their ways and both are badasses. If you love Dragon Ball for real then you'd appreciate both and what they can do when fused simple as that. Great video love your content!

[@redzeoranger7718]

I gotta disagree here. We've only ever seen Whis play around and not once has he been shown to take anything seriously when it comes to fighting. He took down Beerus with one little chop and just danced around with Broly who could still take blows from Blue Gogeta. I believe that Whis is far and above any fusion or form that Goku and Vegeta have or could pull off anytime soon.

[@GuyVick]

I agree vegtio would be a little weaker tho

[@kawakiuzumaki5934]

Beerus was suppressed as usual and the Broly Whis was dodging was before he even got his FPSSJ form and adapted to some of a gogeta’s power.

[@exantiuse497]

Definitely this. Whis has never fought even somewhat seriously, power scaling him makes as much sense as scaling Freeza's maximum power (which we now presume to be Black Freeza) based on his first form on Namek before he fought anyone. There is literally no evidence that any of the mortal characters are even close to Whis. The fact that Seth had to resort to the awful, thousand-time debunked "god scale" to be able to argue Vegito was on his level tells it all

[@redzeoranger7718]

Whis stopped Moro fused with Earth's punch with a single finger and not even paying him any mind. A threat that Beerus determined was worth getting involved himself before plot made him not. I just don't understand how people think any of the main cast is anywhere near Whis.

[@WackoList0]

blue goku bit whis 💀 not making a statement just a funny thing

[@zakkosu727]

Seth is pumping out these videos like crazy, He's working hard

[@shikanakahara6828]

I'm glad Seth actually came to the same conclusion I did when scaling these DB characters, for years I had to debate people and I continuously said the movie character scaling is absurd, Broly through statements and feats should logically be beyond universal+, same with Gogeta from Fusion Reborn and possibly Goku as well since he shook the entire afterlife with just powering up, the afterlife being possibly bigger than the living universe because it houses old and new souls that have passed on and then there's also Grand Kai's realm which is possibly universal in size, having galaxies and such within it and then you have statements like "Broly is the strongest antagonist in the movies", some people say just the Z movies but even if we agree on that, he's stronger than the Super movie antagonists as well, seeing as it's arguable of Broly and Cell Max are Beerus level and Beerus is a Z movie antagonist, coming from the movie "Dragon Ball Z: Battle of Gods" it's not really far fetched to believe Broly is stronger than Super Broly anyways due to the way he's scaled, we know he destroyed most of the south quadrant of galaxies and he did this while restrained with the crown on his head, meaning that any feats he had was him while nerfed and let's say hypothetically his full power in Super Saiyan at that point in time is universal, Legendary Super Saiyan is FAR superior in terms of power and it's a constantly rising thing on top of that, Goku's scaling is also ignored in that movie because you have him causing a weakened Broly to bleed with a kick but then later Super Vegeta's ki blast can't even make Broly flinch before he even transformed and lost the crown, so either Broly passively grows in power regardless of the form just constantly or Goku in base is stronger than everyone else present (which I wouldn't put it past them to do, it's movie Goku after all..) and in Super Saiyan which is a 50x increase, possibly more since he's probably using Grade 4 and he can't even damage Broly at all, even with help and using Kamehameha with a 2.2x increase it didn't scratch him, and at the end of the movie the infamous punch he landed on Broly could've possibly been a Spirit Bomb type of attack to actually hurt him, the reason I say this is because we know the Spirit Bomb can hurt you as long as you have evil in your heart, regardless of the strength of the person using it, I also wanna point out that I will never use Second Coming or Bio Broly for scaling the original as Second Coming is a weaker version and Bio Broly is a clone who lost to Goten, Trunks and Krillin, but yeah..him being hit with a Spirit Bomb would explain the explosion that happened to his body and how Goku somehow was able to harm him, because if you paid attention Goku's punch landing didn't hurt Broly but whatever energy he put into it did...

[@Bryan-sy6yk]

When he said that broly was stronger than the other Z villains. I'm 99.9 percent sure he meant the original 13 dbz movies.

[@shikanakahara6828]

@@Bryan-sy6yk When he said this it was in 2013, after Battle of Gods which would include Beerus in the discussion, especially if we count the fact the movie and it's ideas were being worked on since the year prior to the movie's release.

[@nevagongoflawless6340]

Sorry his scaling is just crap , especially his Beast Gohan scaling, like literally his past vids has just been him wanking material.

[@kawakiuzumaki5934]

@@shikanakahara6828 he literally said broly would be nothing to beerus bro.

[@shikanakahara6828]

​@@kawakiuzumaki5934 There's more than one version of Broly, the original is stronger because of how the old movies worked in terms of power scaling and hax abilities, I don't even need to really explain how powerful Broly would have to be to scale above characters like Janemba or Hyrudegarn who are most definitely universal+ in power, especially in Janemba's case and Janemba is powerful enough that he breaks concepts like life and death, and he's got a body that can only really be beaten by attacks that purify him since it seems like once he transforms his body is durable enough to withstand attacks from characters like Gogeta who should be many times stronger than the Goku who shook the entire afterlife and it's been said Broly scales above them in power.

[@AdonisOneal-te1kj]

9:23 your right about this u don't even have to joke around lol! Love The videos keep it up mate! 😁😁😁

[@rohanmanuel1815]

I like how we are comparing anyone to whis even though he has only shown a fraction of his powers

[@manicside5901]

Exactly.

[@bopica2315]

i mean he just dodged..he didn;t show anything really just that

[@paulallen2804]

@@bopica2315 this vegito would not even stand a chance against a 30% whis. Whis knocked beerus out with just a punch and he was also toying around with broly

[@gammafrost]

@@bopica2315 did you not keep up with the story? Angels are never supposed to actually fight using their true power. They are only allowed to train with others. Whis stopped Merus from fighting goku because if he continued, Merus would have been erased from existence

[@alexdeghost2729]

@@paulallen2804 Where’d u get that number?

[@SonGoku-sh1tf]

Vegitos The Type Of Guy To Make Jokes While Getting Yelled At The Teacher

[@MJH129]

He's also the kid that outsmarts everyone in the class and makes the teacher look stupid in front of the class

[@Azraeluchiha999]

Goku isn't dumb, he's just passive. He knows how to use what he knows good enough to get what he wants, to put it simply. Although he doesn't have a very diverse vocabulary, he knows how to articulate himself well and make very important decisions throughout the series. His passivity, child-like naivete, and habit of acting coy or confused is just how he communicates his innocence and purity. It's his way of setting himself apart from his peers and his opponents.

[@KAKAR0110]

Well goku is stupid outside of fighting, but goku in fighting he is a master artist in terms of iq, sense he learns to be a martial artist all his life.

[@bankrupt_batman]

Okay, this is off subject but I've had this theory for quite some time. I'm almost 100% positive that the fusion dance is summoning some kind spirit of some kind that takes over the two bodies and mixes their powers in the body in the most showboaty they can. Gotenks and gogita both act nearly the same and were more worried about having cool entrance scenes than the actual fight at hand. (And my own personal detail I feel I've noticed) they both seem to base the style of their attack styles on sports like volleyball and basketball. It's just odd that the 4 all act like sports fans, but vegito act like a mix of their 2.

[@40mihirkulkarni44]

Imo I think Gogeta and Vegito using the ultra forms would honestly be counterproductive. Ultra Instinct and Ego are polar opposites when it comes to using them, you need to have your mind clear and free of doubt and emotions to use UI and you need to be obsessive and continuously focused on destruction to use UE. Their fighting styles are also complete opposites, one needs to you dodge while the other relies on tanking hits. Goku and Vegeta have individually mastered their forms, mixing their personalities would deter them from using one of the ultra forms properly Gogeta/Vegito would benefit a lot more if they stuck to the SSB forms and found a way to ascend from there, maybe they could go SSBE3+Kaioken×20 thanks to their bodies being more durable? Idk

[@jbriggs06]

Nah... beerus uses Ultra Instinct... that means he's essentially combining them

[@johnman8398]

True UI allows the use of emotions though so that weakness is out of the picture.

[@cameronharding6055]

The main issue with that idea is that you’re running under the assumption that Vegito and Gogeta operate that way despite having no supporting evidence. At no point does Vegito or Gogeta refer to themselves as Goku or Vegeta, instead claiming their own unique individuality. They’re not Goku and they’re not Vegeta, they are simply Gogeta and Vegito. If anything, having the knowledge of the forms their parts possess would actually make it fully possible for them to activate them at will and they’d probably do so to a greater effect due to their heightened intelligence. Vegito and Gogeta also use their own unique abilities and fighting styles, further separating themselves from Goku and Vegeta. Vegitos displayed abilities that Goku and Vegeta have never shown before, has shown intelligence in battle that surpasses Gohan and Piccolos, and has the knowledge of Ultra Instinct that Goku has cultivated to the point where he’s achieved something beyond Mastery of the technique. And we have to remember, Ultra Instinct and Ultra Ego are techniques rather than transformations. Given Vegitos sheer prowess in combat, intelligence, and Gokus understanding of Ultra Instinct I’d argue at least Vegito could use Mastered Ultra Instinct at will. And that requirement for Ultra Ego also has nothing backing it up, Vegeta simply stated that he learned it from Beerus and the form isn’t elaborated on further unlike Ultra Instinct which has been explained in depth from Whis and other reliable sources within DBS.

[@user-dn3fn3bg4l]

@@cameronharding6055 For gogeta yes, but vegito is literally no differnt then goku and vegeta. He sometimes acts like Vegeta, and then acts like Goku and mixes it in the btween.

[@rushpatriot2866]

@@jbriggs06 seems that's only the case with novice whis doesn't concentrate have a clear mind etc. That's why Goku's new mui looks more like his base. I think the only the that might be counter productive is the dodging/taking hits. Look at it this way though if the villain is too fast and tagging him then he's gonna get a power up and if the villain is too slow well then he doesn't have to worry about losing.

[@AlmightyKevo]

To add to your point on ki, the Dragonball superheroes movie double downs on this with vegeta saying jirens attack potency wasn’t that much greater than theres but his focus, precision, and ki control were astronomically better.

[@Bile_NG]

*theirs (Explosion happens in the background)

[@AlmightyKevo]

@@Bile_NG who cares

[@Bile_NG]

@@AlmightyKevo uhh, you I guess. I mean you did put in the effort to reply to my joke.

[@AlmightyKevo]

@@Bile_NG lmao you call two words “effort” sure bro whatever tickles your pickle at night 💀💀

[@Bile_NG]

@@AlmightyKevo that doesn't make sense. Anyway, why are you making such a fuss? All I did was correct you.

[@Kagedvda]

The fusion dance is weaker because it is more accessible at any given moment where the potara earrings are less accessible but they are meant for gods so it makes sense

[@justsomeguy6336]

No. That’s never been stated.

[@Unidentified_UnknownUser]

Potora is stronger because they don't have to lower their power Level to do it and the potora has a stronger multiplier

[@kawakiuzumaki5934]

@@justsomeguy6336 his reason in his comment is never stated but it is stated that potara is stronger than fusion.

[@Kagedvda]

@@Unidentified_UnknownUser well what I said is more head canon but it would make sense though because their ment for gods

[@2miligrams]

17:05 "so let me just drop a nuclear bomb on why vegito would slam gogeta" i love this line

[@mysticcrazy3]

Beerus Stan’s will still say Beerus is stronger because we haven’t seen Beerus at 100% power even though he should of been surpassed by the end of TOP and at latest the Moro arc. EDIT: I’m specifically referring to Anime Beerus who should have easily been surpassed by the TOP if not the Moro Arc.

[@deadshot1995]

Beerus is stronger because the author wants him to be. Seth's calculations are interesting, but ultimately meaningless because of that simple fact

[@oscaraguilar6980]

Nah, post Moro arc, Vegeta still stood no chance against Beerus. Chapter 69, they fight, and Beerus barely even tried, despite Vegeta training with the yardrats and being relative to UI Omen Goku (he fought Moro right after UI Omen Goku lost, and performed better against Moro). Beerus is still wayyyy stronger, he still has access to UI Omen too. He’s insanely powerful in the manga. He took on multiple GoD’s at once, and almost won before the T.O.P. Happened

[@dan_4531]

@@oscaraguilar6980 and he was also ready to outright just destroy moro. He didnt even hesitate about fighting moro but the grand priest called him and he had to exit the scene.

[@johnman8398]

@@oscaraguilar6980 He tied with the god from U4 and its implied that Belmod is also OP but just played dead cause he couldn't be bothered to try.

[@TheEntity7]

Well that's clearly false since we saw Beerus wash post Moro arc Vegeta with ease. How are we stans for speaking facts.

[@Tetranodal]

I will not lie, the comparison of Goku v Vegeta compared to God Vs the Devil was hilarious lol

[@namillion1120]

I like that this is about Vegetto over Gogeta. I know the debate between the two is as old as time. But to me. Vegetto favors Vegeta and Gogeta favors Goku. The mild difference between the two is the personality. Gogeta brings out the nobility and heroics within Goku out of Vegeta, and Vegetto brings out the arrogance and pride of a warrior out of Goku. Bringing out Goku’s warrior pride is a way larger buff, IMO, than improving Vegeta’s warrior heart. It’s debatable with Super and Vegeta’s focused development on his mind and spirit being a source of improvement. But I’m going w Goku bringing out his inner Chad is the more powerful buff. Vegetto > Gogeta. Head canon or actual canon. W/E. PS- SS4 Gogeta is just so amazed at his own power he’s just dumb arrogant so let’s ignore the “bringing out nobility and heroism” comment

[@ILrukiamaxim55]

@eleven King You skipped vid mate?

[@ILrukiamaxim55]

@eleven King that's called being delusional XD whatever let's you sleep better at night

[@namillion1120]

@eleven King yeah well, vegetto is on the thumbnail for a reason, so. 🥴

[@tyranis4433]

​@eleven King Its literally stated that Potara fusion is more powerful

[@ILrukiamaxim55]

@@tyranis4433 Telling him all that is pointless since this dude haven't even watched the vid arguing with him is like arguing with a brick wall XD

[@kujoova]

This would be amazing, to see him against black Frieza. Funniest thing is, black Frieza dosent know he exists at all. He knows kefla can do it but has seen 0 of Vegito so he will never think about that as a possibility. Yeah, Gogeta is strong but Vegito is on another level. I hope he gets to put Frieza in his place. Vegito would’ve never left Frieza live tbh.

[@rimuru6731]

Frieza would have expected this since he was watching Goku's fight against Buu from hell.

[@Shiyoken]

@@rimuru6731 Wasn't that retconned in the Super Anime because he was told about Goku being stronger or defeated Majin Buu etc... I know the Super Anime and DBZ Anime share canon, but I think that was retconned.

[@rimuru6731]

@@Shiyoken There was an episode in dbz where Frieza and other villains were watching Goku's figt against Buu. You can try to find that episode in youtube just write "DBZ Moments: Everyone In Hell watching Goku vs Kid Buu"

[@Shiyoken]

@@rimuru6731 Oh yes I know that. But as I said i think it'd been retconned in the Super Anime. Since Frieza got told about the defeat of Buu by Sorbet. If that was cannon or not retconned, then Frieza would have knee he defeated Buu etc... It's just a minor thing problem forgetton as usually the anime has a different canon to the manga but they sometimes can cross over.

[@BocchiTheBox]

Me and my coworker talked about this sort of thing recently. Where we assumed that if Vegito and Gogeta were to use their ultra forms (instinct/ego) of either Goku and Vegeta. Vegito as it has Vegeta as the dominant mind would likely use Vegeta's form, and Gogeta would likely use Goku's form. But also thought it'd be interesting if the form they had was of the lesser dominant mind, as to give the dominant character a feel for how that other form is like.

[@Seven_DB]

While the dominant mind theory is popular I'm pretty sure the only basis for this is the names. There is no dominant mind in the fusion. Going based on the fusion's dialogue, Vegetto is a perfect combination of the two supported by how he always says something like "The fusion of Vegeta and Kakarot/Vegeta and Kakarot combined" while Gogeta is a entirely new person based on how he always says "I am neither Goku nor Vegeta"

[@Gryphus0001]

@@Seven_DB vegito refers to goku as kakarot and gogeta refers to him as goku, goku has called himself kakarot once and vegeta has never called him goku once

[@alohaboy3570]

@@Gryphus0001 dominant mind in names, wow

[@user-dn3fn3bg4l]

@@Seven_DB Yeah I've always felt this two. Like metamoran produce entirley new warriors that are made up by two people. While potora (at least for mortals) just merges two people into one being. Vegito is goku... vegito is vegeta, simultanesly. Gogeta is just gogeta, a new being but with the influences and memories of goku and vegeta.

[@kawakiuzumaki5934]

@@user-dn3fn3bg4l Did any of y’all watch the video😭? When Vegito first appears he talks about Goku and Vegeta as entity’s seperate from himself.

[@emm6101]

Honestly its hard to tell as we have never seen Whis pushed at all, or Beerus. I mean you got ultra instinct and ego and the real question becomes if they have even used those moves. I think they are at base, like goku without transforming.

[@spadesofpaintstudios1719]

exactly and everyone seems to forget that

[@edwarddawson7849]

I really am diggin these power spec vids

[@colin8923]

I'm a big Gogeta fan, but, dang, Vegito is so amazing. Edit: Did not expect Seth to hate on Gogeta.

[@dabonethug]

He wasn’t hating, he was just stating facts

[@Unidentified_UnknownUser]

@@dabonethug my thoughts exactly lol

[@alexdawson1203]

He was probably tired of Gogetatards spouting the "they were stated equal" crap non stop

[@kiryuthedragonwarrior2746]

@@dabonethug false facts?

[@dabonethug]

@@kiryuthedragonwarrior2746 literally all of it was true and backed by scans and evidence, you’re just a gogeta fanboy

[@Malacai087]

As a Dragon Ball FighterZ player I can confirm, with the experience of fighting Vegito Blue as he is in the game now, He would truly be unstoppable in True Mastered Ultra Instinct.

[@sydbrown310]

There's a channel named CallMeARJ or something like that that's been writing an ongoing story on what happened after Vegito accidentally killed Beerus because he hadn't realized how powerful he was. Seriously check it out his channel has been growing like crazy because of that story and it's sooooo good

[@Masturbation65]

I'm going to check it out, the channel looks cool, thanks. I remember years ago there was a fanmade manga of a multiverse tournament with a bunch of fanmade transformations. Very similar to the TOP funny enough. They probably got the same idea for Super from that manga lol. My favorite character was the one who fused with every single Namekian on the planet and killed Frieza. Sounds pretty familiar lol

[@M.e.h..]

That's how dbs should be rn if not for beerus's insane plot armor magically making him stronger every time we see him

[@mrbiscuit6183]

I have been watching this manga it is awesome vegito goes around killing all the gods for revenge.

[@savageace1152]

@@Masturbation65 yh, probs the greatest fan manga I’ve ever seen tbh so I’d also strongly recommend it

[@Astro-ls1zq]

i just realiezed, looking at the anime footage durring the fight, whenever buu doesnt almost immediately try to obsorb vegito. he looks angry, like that "come the fuck on man, im helping you out here" look... which is an insane detail i didnt even realize until now...

[@Anti-Zionist777]

Ah yes, a fellow Vegito fan. Truly a man of culture!

[@Shroobi]

Yeah honestly that bit about Gogeta going for the kill shot is consistent with his fusion reborn appearance

[@alexdeghost2729]

Not really cuz Fusion Reborn Gogeta is much more dominant in Goku’s personality. Even in Raging Blast what if’s scenario u can see Goku a lot more in Gogeta while Vegito is more Vegito dominant. But in the Broly movie, Gogets is just weaker Vegito. Fusion Reborn Gogeta would have tried to spare Broly but Janemba was a mindless demon.

[@oscaraguilar6980]

@@alexdeghost2729 Gogeta did try to spare Broly. He used the soul punisher, which is meant to cleanse the opponent of evil. That’s why when he used it on Janemba, the Saike demon was still there, because he wasn’t evil. The soul punisher got rid of the evil (Janemba) that was taking over the Saike Demon. The soul punisher didn’t work on Broly because he isn’t evil. There was no evil to be cleansed.

[@Essu_]

@@alexdeghost2729If Gogeta was going for the kill in Broly he would've went Blue from the jump. He started in base, worked his way to SSJ, then to Blue. And like @Oscar Aguilar said, he wanted to use the Soul Punisher to cleanse the evil from his soul, and since there was no evil to cleanse, and Broly was still a threat, Gogeta realized going for the kill was the only way left.

[@Shroobi]

@@alexdeghost2729 I can prove that SSJ Gogeta dog walks Vegito SSB

[@Shroobi]

I'm not joking btw SSJ Gogeta eliminates SSJB Vegito

[@Mar-wg8yy]

i feel like vegito would have UE and be able to maximize its abilities with his IQ unlike vegeta, and Gogeta would have UI since he’s very serious and calm and collected, so he would be able to use UI to its full potential

[@om9959]

No vegito will have ui,vegito is way more patient than gogeta.

[@kawakiuzumaki5934]

Vegito would have both. He’s the ultimate fighter and the greatest master in the universe. Remember potara doesn’t just enhance strength, it enehances all of it’s component’s abilities. Which means Vegito has better mastery of both their arsenals. Fusion on the other hand has no such statements.

[@darktheknight9314]

Honestly, the only nitpick I have with the video is the Gogeta and Vegito fight, I don’t understand why people haven’t noticed yet but Gogeta and Vegito are the same person Meaning, they have the same IQ, strategies and abilities. It was even said by Gogeta himself when he first appeared in the broly movie “when we use the potara WE’RE Vegito right?”. But besides that, loved the video and explanation!

[@toomanylevels]

Vegito is his own person - he is subconsciously Goku and Vegeta, whereas Gogeta is consciously Goku and Vegeta. That's the main difference

[@leafbladie]

It'd be funny if he used Ego and Instinct at the same time, despite contradicting each other

[@mr.cantplayaninstrument8402]

balanced as it should be

[@ethansdroid]

I don't see any reason why he couldn't, conceptually anyway. UI and UE are basically chaos and order (yin and yang). Seeing how Vegito is the perfect warrior, I wouldn't be surprised in the least if this is an actual thing that shows up down the line. A true master not favoring one side of the coin over the other type line would fit well.

[@masterkc]

UI = water, UE= fire and together =steam Anything is possible at this point. A new transformation will definitely come from this. Imagine the toys it will sell $$$😂

[@biology9810]

Actually he could ui is a technique so he could use on to of any form like super Saiyan blue kaioken

[@ShibuyaRollCall]

One thing I haven't seen people mention is the idea instincts might not be available to fused characters. It would make sense, since instinct requires a mental state and not a power level, and fusions are said to have their own personalities. Especially when 2 people using instincts that conflict with each other like protective and destructive instincts of Goku and Vegeta. There's actually a chance they could become more powerful on their own mastering instinct than if they fused.

[@kawakiuzumaki5934]

Vegito is the combination of Goku & Vegeta and because of that their opposite traits that stopped them from achieving Ultra Instinct immediately are compensated for by the other person. Vegito being the greatest master in the universe would also mean he would just have better mastery of their arsenals than them. Portara doesn’t just enhance power level it enhances all its components abilities.

[@Justacommentor777]

Or... He would be able to figure out that different powers require different mindsets being the ultimate fighting genius he is and just shift his focus and mindset in that direction. Heck, maybe he can combine both Goku's and Vegeta's powers and create a new unique transformation on his own. Imagine the essence of both ultra ego hakai and true ultra instinct combined to create something totally new and strong beyond comprehension. (ok I admit I am just writing a fanfiction at this point but it's still interesting to think about lol).

[@sporkmaster5131]

Seth!!!! I’d love to hear you talk about Broly, this hypothetical Broly we see in Super Hero. I was kinda hoping you’d leave another little hint at another video at the end of this one. But since you have been making videos on the hypotheticals… I dunno, I love my boy Broly and I love your vids. :p

[@goldenpony822]

I always figured taking to heart those 'official numbers' sounded too whack even just the order of magnitude is insane. Thanks for the whole breakdown, I always wondered how it'd be.

[@JackgarPrime]

I hate official numbers in dragon ball. Super saiyan being described as a 50x multiplier absolutely ruined power scaling for this franchise forever (which was already a problem with scouter numbers to begin with) and I choose to ignore it.

[@kindadumb916]

Woah woah woah, look at that thumbnail. Let’s not get CRAZY here, I doubt Ultra instinct vegito could touch whis.

[@Priceluked]

This just goes to show how much more overpowered would the fusion have been if it was Goku and Gohan?

[@reddolphin8663]

I'm pretty sure El manga legendario states that even if Goku and Gohan fused through the potara, their fusion would not be stronger than vegito because of the rival boost.

[@kawakiuzumaki5934]

He would be weaker than Vegito.

[@jalengholson8595]

​@@kawakiuzumaki5934 gohan is stronger than vegeta

[@serge263]

And this is why we love Vegito.

[@isaiascarranza1611]

Every time I want to remember what a clone sounds like I just gotta watch one of Seth's videos

[@Wimpyfox]

I think the size difference is more of an artistic / symbolic representation of status rather than there literal size. But I suppose when power scaling you are meant to take everything at face value so your analysis still makes sense.

[@kawakiuzumaki5934]

He isn’t even relative to buuhan in size in the anime so that was just wrong anyway

[@HannibalXKarma]

Yeah we’ve never seen beerus at full potential and only saw him used MUI for an instant in the manga. Sooo possible that the fused saiyans could beat him… but we all know they would want to beat beerus with their own individual strength. Using fusion for beerus would be cool but I hope it never happens.

[@brandonrouach1885]

He’s never used MUI. Whis literally said beerus isnt perfect and hasn’t been mastered multiple times. Just because beerus is stronger than MUI Goku that doesn’t give him MUI.

[@miirzys]

@@brandonrouach1885 yeah, I think it’s omen

[@fortnitesexman]

goku alone whoops beerus in the anime already jiren is above the gods of destruction, goku is above jiren, simple as that if you take goku and times his power by vegeta's...well..yeah

[@melancholicthinker9291]

@@fortnitesexman Yeah the anime so far, not so much in the manga.

[@NASTAR01]

@@fortnitesexman Jiren was above his God of Destruction; not all.

[@virusgaming1365]

Goku and Vegeta: *fuses* Vegito: *Transforms into UI* Vegito:"Yoshaaaa" **Unfuses**

[@robertjusticell6025]

I like your style man im a pure fan of all db regardless of what lable it sk your show is really cool keep it up

[@Epsilvonic]

Imagine knowing that Potaro fusions duration was more than halved by using Blue and thinking that using True Ultra Instinct wouldn’t run out the duration instantly. As much as I like Vegito, that change to how Potara works in the Goku Black arc means Potara have a set, definitive upward limit whereas the Fusion Dance doesn’t.

[@justauser8224]

Fusion Dance does suffer the limit. SSJ3 Gotenks proves this. Just because Gogeta didn’t defuse on screen doesn’t mean he went through the full thirty unless confirmed.

[@justauser8224]

Hell, even SSJ4 Gogeta proves this in GT. Even if it’s not canon, they all follow the same fusion dance.

[@Epsilvonic]

@@justauser8224 While you have a good point, the point remains that Vegito ran that time down that quick using SSB at power levels multiple times weaker than Gogeta’s (as Seth has explained when talking about the differences in power between the two appearances).

[@justauser8224]

@@Epsilvonic Again we don’t know how long Gogeta stay fused. It could’ve been the same amount of time as Vegito for all we know. And not only that, but Vegito, in the manga anyways, stayed fused for about 35-40 minutes or so just right after Zamasu fused. Because after Vegito defused, it was said Zamasu had about 20 minutes left. So we could speculate with that. In any way, screen time with DB is madly inconsistent so we can’t assume Gogeta or Vegito lasted longer than one another other than the fact Vegito has a one hour limit that can suffer from immense power usage, as Gogeta has 30 minutes time limit that can also suffer from immense power usage as well.

[@Unidentified_UnknownUser]

@@Epsilvonic gogeta built up his power slowly to attune to it Vegito went blue the second he fused so the rings couldn't adjust resulting in a defusion