How Styanax Overguarded Warframe

[@NovaUmbral]

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[@sp4rklsz]

Gamble always coming in clutch when i need in depth explanation

[@bnashtay2278]

Why do you keep calling abilities spells 😭😭

[@lukaslindner9269]

​@@bnashtay2278because it is basicaly the same and it is hard to explain warframe abilities without magic but i get your point

[@bnashtay2278]

The nerf ain’t that bad. I’d rather the cap be added than the team play be removed. Plus the cap scales with strength so you’re gonna have at minimum 30k cap which is actually pretty good. Also you can’t act like the augment wasn’t cracked before the nerf. Usually I’d argue against nerfs but this one is fair and doesn’t ruin the augment. If anything they should increase the minimum cap so you don’t have to manage it too much.

[@dragonwren1893]

I agree

[@tylerprime6741]

It's still cracked post nerf. Just can't get hundreds of thousands of overguard anymore

[@AniviewerButAgain]

Its basically the same if you play level cap since even with 1m overgaurd it goes away in 1 shot

[@MEYH3M]

agreed, it was OP before but now it feels like it's just in a nice spot

[@NovaUmbral]

Oh by all means it’s not bad at all, it’s just that extra fun factor is gone, which is my main issue. Plus 15k at base honestly feels a bit too low, I would have been fine with at least 20k instead tbh

[@Wooskii1]

Styanax was my favorite frame for a few days on release, the first nerf was heartbreaking. Chaining between groups of enemies with op and creating piles of stripped enemies was unlike anything else in the game, almost like a RTS bird's eye view of the battlefield... I would give up the augment in a split second to go back to being able to recast his 4th while using his other abilities and operator without touching the ground.

[@SocraTetris]

Its very common for bugs to be identified before launch, but not fixed. A mow class bug is one that doesnt prevent gameplay evennif not working as intended

[@Dubulcle]

Thats bullshit lmao

[@clementfermn6711]

That over-guard mod for styanax is just a huge middle finger to kullervo.

[@un-kyejohn2968]

True

[@Boiled_Pizza]

even frost base overguard 15k, cmon de be consistent

[@amolistic_]

The gain speed is massively different. Iirc, kullervo pretty much get few thousands per click (iirc 4-5k even with my unoptimized build), pretty much reaching the cap in a few seconds, and bro even has 0.75s total overguard gate (?), albeit no shields. But for real though, kullervo, unlike sty or frost, is a frame capable of nuking the whole room of SP enemies empty by spamming 1 and 3 combo. It's kinda fair imo.

[@clementfermn6711]

@@amolistic_ sure but the thing is you're pretty much stuck with juggling that shield/over-guard gate play. Because with styanax he could just spam 4 and be unkillable while killing everything at the same time.

[@amolistic_]

@@clementfermn6711 sty is pretty much the same, you just spam 4, just as kullervo spam his 2 in the midst of his 1 3 shenanigans.

[@TheGreatCyberwolf]

Even though I haven't used him much, I LOVE Styanax. This video is the boot I needed to start putting in serious time on him

[@TURBOMIKEIFY]

I got to use him in Duviri and I never died. Don’t own him yet (Thrax is the bane of my existence EVEN WITH A RESOURCE DROP AND REGULAR BOOSTER). Finally got the Thrax…. Gotta go back into Zaramin to get Quill Plumes. I like Zaramin. I hate the angels.

[@mnbrodi]

my problem with the hotfix (you can't cast his 4 in the air) is that garuda is able to stay infinitely in the air with a combination out of her 3+4. so when this is okay to do, then they also can revert this change.

[@Clown_the_Clown]

DE is fully of inconsistencies. What counts as "CC" to Eximus.

[@finleymorris04]

But that is intended. Garuda is a bird. She’s supposed to stay in the air.

[@gailengigabyte6221]

Even with the nerfs to the abilities and augment, Styanax is still a beast on steel path in the right hands. EDIT: First of all, thank you NovaUmbra for the like. Second, I just want to add that the Warframe Overguard system is still a relatively new mechanic, so my guess is DE is still figuring out how to implement it to existing frames and abilities without being unbalanced or overpowered, and will use that knowledge going forward.

[@sleepingtbh_]

💀💀 you removed the like with the edit

[@dragonwren1893]

Honestly he is easily one of my favorite new warframes that doesn't feel like he needs the helmet mod system in order to play decently or good he just feels good in my opinion

[@Sardoshice]

me and the boys subsuming in *helmet*

[@v1k37]

nourish *helmet* is also good

[@niner_tango]

I didn’t know there are helmet mods. How neat!

[@deludedfruitcakesanonymous5593]

Imagine if they still used helmet buffs. I know I guy that still has some of those old ones

[@NoStLinuxGaming]

Thanks for making a video about my favorite warframe. I was lucky to get him for free during the Summer Game Fest giveaway this year, and he has been my main warframe since then.

[@TheFIRELORD15]

the thing about styanax and revenant that really gets is that even if they removed the ability for the augment to share the overshield to allies, didn't they *just* give revenant a mod that gives him more mesmer skin charges AND gives allies within affinity range 5 charges? isn't that like, genuinely straight up better anyway...

[@amolistic_]

Revenant don't recast his MS just to support. That's the issue. Yes everyone is now undead in a way, but you have to do that very frequent and pretty much burn through your energy pool, and you to be invulnerable every few seconds...And pressing a decent radius cc is also doing the same thing too... What is the point of playing revenant at this point if you are going down this route? That 5s is pretty much free survivability, occasionally. If you get, you get. Expired? No care. It's like people freak out on that 5s survivability, for like.. every 20s (if real situations involved), by this time, you can pretty much rolling guard 2 times for 6s total undead even if it does not exist...Or just press a good cc at this point...

[@niner_tango]

⁠​⁠@@amolistic_What? Mesmer Skin/Shield grants charges. It’s not a timed ability. There is a 1 second I-frame when a charge is depleted, but that doesn’t mean that 5 charges of Mesmer Skin from Mesmer Shield only lasts 5 seconds. It’s actually very easy to maintain the Mesmer Skin charges on teammates if you pay attention to your teammates’ buff bars and your teammates stay within affinity range. Also, Rolling Guard grants 3 seconds of invulnerability and has a 7 second cooldown. You can’t get 6 seconds of invulnerability from Rolling Guard if you roll twice in a row. It doesn’t work like that.

[@lewdlemur8899]

Yea, imo they should have never made mesmer skin the way they did (nor include fucking mesmer shield) since all it really does is makeing every future attempt of making someone challanging or endgame content i.e. raid maybe or smt a complete joke unless they make it so that Mesmer Skin just applies a 90% DR or smt in those situations

[@amolistic_]

@@lewdlemur8899 but then...He is now completely useless in so many cases...The rest of his kit just feels outdated and massively powercreeped. That is the one thing that had him cling onto "meta" and you might as well play other frames which has better dmg, better cc and even use subsume better. It is the old wukong situation. He is at the very best, A- tier. So many frames can do so much thing better than him, imagine great at doing one job that everyone can basically gain access to. But nowadays, everyone is pretty much undead too, you are not going to run level cap anyways, so why even bother, just play octavia instead of revenant if you care, if you are into endurance as Octavia just does everything better, she is pretty much undead, kills everything, and still dealing more dmg. But then, it is 5 stacks only. 5 seconds max. And not like rev mains gonna recast that for you kekw, imagine had to recast every 5 seconds, you are burning your energy like there's no tomorrow, his energy economy isn't even great to get begin with, now you opt into something like this...

[@lewdlemur8899]

@@amolistic_ 5 stacks arent 5 seconds tho, they are 5 instanaces of dmg with 1 second of additional invlun. And the argument i made is taht Mesmer Skin existing (together with Mesmer Shield) limits DE in the kind of content they can make, as if theyd ever try to give us an endgame raid, it would be a joke as 1 player has to pick rev with good energy econ and your whole team is *invincible* not just High DR, complete Invincibility

[@P0P218]

i don't think the 15k cap is that bad, especially since an ideal styanax has at least 200% Power strength so you get 30k overguard. and with overguard you're immune to all status effects including those annoying magnet doors. and naturally your teammates benefit from this too, so long as their build does not require them to be harmed constantly. since even a very squishy caster frame can be overguarded and get the overshield from rally point

[@zaneex4043]

Styanax was my second ever warframe and currently the oldest one I have, not to mention being my Second Dream warframe, so he has a special place in my heart

[@nerotakeshi73]

I need this augment for styanax and the grind is painful😭

[@rachelcylara2257]

could buy it off of someone ish easier

[@TURBOMIKEIFY]

Thing is, I was taking a hiatus when this frame came out (2019 until May 2023). Now, I’m stressing out getting Thrax Plasm and Quill Voidplumes.

[@coldfries8976]

NOVA!!!! Now freaking way you put in the Power of Chaos soundtrack... Instant nostalgia kick!

[@lookalivebrett]

I feel like the nerf isn't a nerf. At high-level or cap the gate is what's useful. It feels fine? I appreciate that you cover positives and negatives of a Warframe, but I want to see that energy carried over to interrogating the given reasons. Mesmer Skin is very clearly not the same thing as overguard. I don't think it's a meaningful comparison. Another great video, though. Keep up the good work. Gonna check out the stream now!

[@zenerstorm95]

I will always hate Axios Javelin, because it's just a worse Mag Pull. Like, why would I aim at an enemy to get a CC, when I can just press a button to immediately CC?

[@NinjaSyao]

It's the whole "needing to pin enemies to walls" thing that annoys me about that ability (alongside the weird aim-assist it has) the most. Just let me toss the spear wherever I want the pull vortex to be and give a bigger pull radius for hitting an enemy with it, to still incentivize aiming it at enemies.

[@MortalTempest]

Makes it an easy decision to helminth over at least 😂

[@honorguard7616]

I just jump and aim towards the floor

[@CollateralKaos]

Because it's already in his kit, no need to waste your only helminth on getting another grouping ability. And dude... he has infinite energy, just Spam it.

[@indrickboreale7381]

Let's be real - due to energy that he provides to Railjack he's better at being Athenian than Spartan

[@DatBrasss]

And he's named after a Trojan.

[@animeroxtoo]

am i wrong but isnt hildryn better bc no energy and her shields come back so fast?

[@aximoral3657]

@@animeroxtoo hildryn , lavos , garuda , styanax are all good

[@BZUltimix]

That one augment changed everything, now everyone can be Rhino (somewhat lol)

[@GunterBunterWarframe]

Not really. It's limited to 15k now (which is much more reasonable).

[@tylregor5481]

​@@GunterBunterWarframethat's still not bad tho.

[@amolistic_]

To some extent. One has insane scaling with enemies, the rest don't have. but the power increase for frames do be very real.

[@Box-O-Soldier]

The sad irony of this dropping right after his nerf... He just can't catch a break, can he?

[@phforNZ]

That augment nerf was necessary. My friend was having fun turning my Rhino into his own little walking nuke.

[@masonsdemoneye245]

My problem with this is you didn't mention how inaccurate axios is sometimes it will dodge around or straight up going through enemies with no effect.

[@NovaUmbral]

I did in the *nerf* section where I briefly mention the inconsistency with axios, but I forgot to readd that tid bit in the ability section, my fault.

[@Nullmeo]

Everytime I see Styanax using his 4, I can't help but think of Ludwig's theme from Triburos' review of the funny Spartan theme.

[@whitemagedende3591]

We still get 71k overguard which is more than enough

[@khirnera]

I *do* think Styanax's augment needed a cap, but a starting cap of 15k feels too low given the fact that overguard does not get resistances from armor or adaptation, Steel Path enemies will chew through it. I feel like a starting minimum cap of 20k would be a little more comfortable. And also as a support player, i cant disagree more with the opinion that the team overguard should have been removed instead. All in all i just think DE is being weirdly harsh and critical of Styanax (especially when they have old ass frames they could be spending their time buffing instead...)

[@amolistic_]

But then if the team overguard is removed, I bet everyone is going to riot at this point... Plus rolling guard can stall overguard.

[@sonicmastor6994]

Your use of the 3rd strike ost is superb bro

[@genericgoon5179]

Fine I'll build Styanax. Thanks for another great video

[@zelge_]

7:03 DE saw the video coming and had to remove yet another power fantasy

[@tatsumiplays2625]

You can also fly with him using his first and I got molt reconstruct which as long as an enemy does a One-Shot lead me or my base it's a 1-1 for energy to hp which you can spam stynax which gives you HP and having Riley gives you energy so I can cash my ability if she can heal more teammates because just a casino cast even with efficiency could give you like 90 HP to all allies within affinity range

[@CollateralKaos]

My brother in christ learn how to use a period.

[@kenkaneki2202]

I was genuinely so hyped when i saw mr.warframe video on this but now that its nerf which i didn't know till watching your video i don't even want to buy him any more

[@stayshift]

I really like the fighting game music. It's just a nice touch (coming from a fighting game enthusiast and Warframe player).

[@HeroToxiko]

bro really made a nostalgia video for last week, amazing. Styanax the two week hero.

[@space_fox12]

You should cover Harrow's third on railjack

[@Minecraftassassin-re6og]

Even styanax got neafed quite a bit im still planning to get him (since I have always had a historical side to me especially the combat side of it)

[@cart0443]

“This is bullshit” I felt that

[@Cephalon_Nodens]

Styanax passive is additive to the mods which means it WONT do much on most of the weapons. Its not final addition, its addition to the mods... Still one of the better passives in game

[@steampunkheart6530]

Ngl, I mostly just skipped to the "nerfs" section since I didn't know a nerf happened, but even still very informative video. Glad Styanax finally became one of the ( like 3? ) support frames that can actually still support In my personal opinion, the overguard nerf isn't that bad since, unlike the supports who restore health, basically anyone who needs a Styanax for the job is going to level cap (which I'm not sure why you'd want to since 'gating vs. level 1 = 'gating vs. level 99999 ), where it's the over-gate that matters, not the overguard

[@scarfbit7354]

Correction, trinity prime, vectis prime, and fang prime were given as a twitch prime bundle.

[@colinkwasnik]

DE be consistent in their design and balance choices challenge difficulty impossible

[@cubajohnson7787]

Does anybody else yell like the other Spartans when you do his four or is it just me🤔

[@StillGalaxy174]

Another great NovaUmbral video, I need your settings, your game looks so much better than mine.

[@BespinGuard1]

Another great video, but im now more curious about your UI custom colours

[@starstreakalex7372]

The intrepid stand nerf was bound to come, unfortunately. However 15k base cap, 30k effecively because you want to run 200% strength minimum for armour strip is still way too low. a level 150 sentient doing the spinning laserbeam attack will break your entire overshield in 2 ticks. granted, sentients aren't everywhere, but this noticeably reduces Styanax's survivability in archon hunts and steel path lua.

[@noahedenborg4221]

Is it really a nerf tho it feels like when they took breach surge and "nerfed" it like they just lowered a number both still work well

[@AmalgamJiena]

4:58 Sevagoth: welcome to the club, buddy..

[@dylanbarracks3509]

Just curious but what is your recording software and setup?

[@WhatsJamesName]

I swear, up and down, they made a thing where he stood still in Final Stand and I was a little pissed. Then it went back to normal after a few days. Funi spere man better when moving

[@Rev3rence]

My issues with him atm is the fact that his overguard kills previous synergy with combat discipline / arcane avenger / nourish. Nourish doesnt trigger on hit while overguard is up (the viral explosion) , arcane avenger doesn't trigger and combat discipline doesnt seem to do anything either

[@mutazalmatani162]

Will there be a mirage video? also you make Greate Content

[@Ithirahad]

The only acceptable energy colouring for this particular frame is green. The Final STAND is incomplete without that extra EMERALD SPLASH of flavour.

[@mehlessmidori602]

I was lucky to get Styanax and a free frame slot. Thank goodness I was one of the lucky ones who apparently didn't get him because I hate doing those Khal missions.

[@Cut_Content]

Hey guys, I think Nova is salty that Final Stand got nerfed

[@Always.Smarter]

he seems to get salty over anything DE changes

[@devilmancries9617]

Why would being in the air all mission be such a bad thing? If the player has the ability to play the floor is lava for the whole mission, let them have it. Sure there are some niche mods that give you damage for simply being airborne, i think, but they are just that. NICHE. Also, this game is PvE for the most part. If more competitive games took such an attentive approach like DE does to "balancing", it would either be really cool or just as polarizing.

[@richardchavez3132]

Is there a place to get all the fashion frame from all his videos?

[@darealmephiles]

Gotta binge these bad boys lol, I been keeping up till this far

[@starskihutch]

even throughout all of these nerfs, styanax is still really good.

[@christophersmith8848]

What Warframe and skin is that in the intro? I need to know

[@SnapuSwipe]

since when "aviator" does apply to Stynax while using javelin? I tested it months ago and it didn' work, because he wasn't counted as air born while using javelin. It must have been fixed in an newer update without my recognition.

[@f2593]

Have yo got a how valkyr video

[@Flaky1337]

the reason they restricted it wsa because of a bug when you used final stand and the first ability styanax would fly up indefinitly i've used it and it was really hard to get to the ground again unless you didnt have much energy

[@noahedenborg4221]

Wait why couldn't they just not make you go up

[@Flaky1337]

@@noahedenborg4221 they did patch but it was later

[@corvuscorax9028]

god of netracells

[@codyjuarezlopez5415]

Styanax was my main pre intrepid stand nerf. The nerf did not change my perspective of him and i still play him a bit. I dont like his 1 tho can i subsumed it with Khora's ensnare as i believe it does a better job than Styanax's 1

[@Sci-Fi_Freak_YT]

“This Is SPARTA!!!!!”

[@jonaichi_09]

"Madness?"

[@Sci-Fi_Freak_YT]

@@jonaichi_09 haven’t watched 300 I see.

[@jonaichi_09]

​@@Sci-Fi_Freak_YTnope. Sadly I never did, even though I know that famous part lol

[@Sci-Fi_Freak_YT]

@@jonaichi_09 lol it’s 👌

[@Wh1ffK1ng]

Still my favorite/main frame to play. He does great in SP content

[@noahedenborg4221]

fun fact axios cna get caught by xata bubbles and it can hit straight down also tharros is really weird like the shields can be visually hitting and not strip

[@CollateralKaos]

The nerf literally doesn't mean anything other than the funny factor is now gone. Your overguard would have been dropped faster than it could get added at higher levels and no matter how much strength you add you won't be hitting that cap unless enemies can't take it down anyway. The overguard is much better for gating tied with his shield regain anyway. The nerf wasn't so much a nerf as a hurt to the funny, which is certainly sad, but its not a problem. That said, styanax was one of my favorites before the augment simply because of his sound design... then they added nourish buff and he became one of my favorites for buffing and solid nuking... Then finally they gave us the augment and it solved his only issue, survivability (namely against status). Now he is easily my 3rd favorite frame, bordering on 2nd. Oh and thank you for pointing out arcane arachne! People miss out on it a lot with him and its a huge help, such a strong addition to any build on him.

[@noahedenborg4221]

Right like that's what I'm saying it's exactly the same as breach surge except we still can hit 2 bill

[@Rizzbulla]

Mr Cow Utters

[@Giacomo_112]

Now we need spartan skin

[@RandomInternetUser6120]

My favourite frame, can't wait for the prime.

[@XonixDerps]

THe grind and launch really made me sad didnt even get a cool spear shield style either. (After seeing his animation) I basically just left lol Glad to hear hes worth it though. I'm still low so i'll stick with Rhino for abit

[@snorpus]

3:47 your question is literally answered 2 seconds before this

[@blackgrimv9443]

Hey, can you please do a valkyr video next.

[@manungooh1828]

I didn't even know intrepid stand existed until I watched this video which syndicate?

[@noahedenborg4221]

Idk check the wiki

[@IsItFate]

I like the sound of guard gate

[@zuni3474]

Can’t we just have our fun de? Styanax is locked behind a insane grind just for him to be nerfed?

[@livid7816]

imma need those game color settings

[@littlechicken8485]

12:32 what the hell was that?

[@Pixx08]

Styanax my beloved

[@d-trig6738]

Do frost next please 🙏🏽

[@kenwilliams4865]

I replaced Styanax 1st ability with Wukong "DEFY "😮😮😮 WOW❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@huh3132]

yareli or titania ?

[@joeybobbson2622]

Can't wait till "How Yareli Anime'd Warframe"

[@KhristianM.]

Do a video on frost ,used to be trash now is good👌🏽❄️

[@NomadxElliot]

imo, Styanax ult had to be nerfed. The first video I watched of Styanax was literally a dude just spamming the ult in Steel Path Kuva Fortress. While it isn't bad to have a strong ult, it kindav just made him look and play boring. I don't like the way he was nerfed (although, it barely matters honestly, you can still spam on landing), it kindav just soft gated his abilities. That's what we get for being cheesy with new found power. I would've prefered a cooldown.

[@skeletonmors2109]

I have tharros strike on my nidus's 4rth and its very stronk

[@MWP_2312]

I miss Spartan Air Support it was the best thing ever

[@just_one23]

Gamble is such a chad

[@michaelfrazier1632]

I don’t like the nerf because he helped you keep a lot of new players a live for me my revenant prime is my number 1 he became my number 2 and all the stuff I put in to him just to get all that OverGuard cut 15k smh so it’s a thumbs down for me

[@LeenXIV101]

good nerf :). if this guy can be uncapped then kullervo shouldve had one too.

[@klixalpha9867]

Hi, nova!

[@hartantoanggoro]

I see how you pissed off with DE removing his Air Force ability

[@StudentDriverBR]

I believe it's a bug but Styanax overguard is immune to Nullifiers

[@yoshz5389]

Oh what a cool Warframe surely he wouldn’t take almost a full month to gather and get the materials for hahahaha. PLEASEEE CETUS MINER SELL RADIAN SENTIRUM I DONT WANNA GO THROUGH A WEEK OF DOING CETUS BOUNTIES AFTER MAXXING OUT FORTUNA FOR XAKU

[@HaplessGoblinProductions]

Just you wait, the whole "Air Force Stynax" trend that happened for that week I'm sure will be a bandaid mod in the future xD

[@Niffler-ro4hu]

very nice

[@kuroneko3616]

That sweet 1.5m overguard

[@jahidfeliciano5618]

He still good though I use he for bounty on Deimos

[@insertedgynamehere___969]

"The Farm for him is a bit tedious, but he's well worth it" I pulled a pro gamer move and got 2 styanax's for free Edit: thx DE

[@Juan_Dominguez]

The fact that they nerfed Styanax despite Rhino and Revenant existing baffles me

[@audiewalters8275]

We as a community have got to come down harder on this “the best thing in the whole game!” meme. I mean it’s legit every video I see from every creator, like if everything is the best thing in the whole game, then nothing is! Just a pet peeve lol, nice video otherwise