How the Dark Knight Killed the DCEU

[@lobstermagnetreview]

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[@casimiriii5941]

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[@mnmnnm586]

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[@Auron1Roxas2]

The DCEU doesn't need to be saved you fucking idiot.

[@mctaguer]

I don't often find new (to me) vids like this that are good. This was GREAT. Good insights, rants and made me laugh my ass off! Thanks!

[@pritampandey9519]

The way Heath's joker says "Look at me" is more intimidating than Doomsday and Steppenwolf combined. We lost a legend. ( *Thanks for 2k likes* )

[@banking8297]

you realize doomsday can kill everything in his path. Joker would laugh at doomsday, and doomsday will laugh too.

[@pritampandey9519]

@@banking8297 I am just wondering about what joker will do with supes

[@pritampandey9519]

@@shataniksarkar7382 just imagine joker confronting superman after all the destruction he did in Metropolis. He will simply say, I just wanted to see what you do, and you didn't disappoint, you let thousand people die. Hihaiahaha Your moral, your code is a bad joke,dropped at the first sign of trouble, You are only good as the world allows you to be. I know who you are, You are a lone alien trying to fit in this chaotic world,who will cast you out like a leper. Wow. just imagine

[@politereminder6284]

@@banking8297 In the comics yes, but the movie made him a mindless pile of monster.

[@pritampandey9519]

@Project Trade has to be deluded Marvel fanboys

[@lutherkling79]

I don't care. Christian Bale was a freaking awesome Batman

[@a.ychristian3562]

Green Beast79. Nobody's arguing with you.

[@shearer1682]

Voice was shocking in the sequel. Batman is purely good writing good look good voice. Bale had good writing which wasn't him

[@davidb8523]

Exactly

[@TeezyFFA]

Yes

[@merwilliamson4918]

christen bale IS BATMAN!!!!

[@vasylpark2149]

DCEU killed itself with terrible movies, lack of foresight, and planning. Mainly trying to invest in the justice league without building those characters up first

[@Ovegrow120]

Boom, right here- This man can save you almost 20 minutes of your life with a nail on the head statement that should be obvious to anyone that has ever seen a proper movie.

[@MsWillowbayOrelse]

Exactly

[@Nabiki73]

Preach it, brother. In the end, this boils down to one thing that the fat cats at DC and Warner lacked: PATIENCE. Marvel took a freaking DECADE to build up their cinematic universe.

[@jasonscott7527]

I think there ganna do a full reboot with the solo joker movie

[@seanmansfield4853]

They tried to be the Marvel Cinematic Universe but without waiting to put in the effort to be the MCU.

[@colleenross8752]

Merging that playful toy commercial with that terrifying hostage video (that Heath filmed himself ) was genius

[@lobstermagnetreview]

Hahahaha thx.

[@BigroomBlitz1]

The Dark Knight is the one movie I can't stop rewatching, it' so good

[@bryans3436]

It was good trilogy

[@TheVladMan.]

Batman Begins and Superman Returns should’ve started the DCEU. Both movies were one year apart from each other. Both movies were fresh on Rotten Tomatoes. Both movies looked and felt like they could’ve been connected. Superman Returns referenced Gotham City. Not to mention, it grossed more money at the box office than Batman Begins. I Am Legend teased a crossover between them for May 2010. The billboard in Times Square had Christian Bale’s Batman logo and Brandon Routh’s Superman logo merged together.

[@АуторекАД]

Its simply the best

[@pongchannel.]

Agreed

[@zekeyeager1756]

Ok but it’s super under appreciated

[@thetechnocrat4979]

The Dark Knight Trilogy: ' Victory has defeated you ' - Bane to DC.

[@memomyj4505]

damn..!

[@hanzilnazim8680]

Wow.So accurate.

[@persianskeptic4814]

I said it before and I'll say it again: The Dark Knight was so great because it wasn't made to be a superhero movie. It was basically a crime film.

[@AeneasGemini]

No, it was great because it had good inspirations, excellent casting, brilliant directing and so much more. It's the people involved who make a difference, not the genre

[@ninadpathak6399]

Ya definitely a large part of the contribution. But I tend to agree. DK was more crime Film than just superhero movie.

[@OnionChoppingNinja]

I couldn't agree with you more. That's why I say that Infinity War is the greatest comic book movie out there. Because the dark knight trilogy are not comic book movies. They're crime thrillers with a razor thin wrapping of a comic book around it that could easily been peeled off and still leave a solid movie.

[@persianskeptic4814]

@@OnionChoppingNinja Batman begins and dark knight rises are pretty superheroish, but The Dark knight yeah it's a great crime drama about an anarchist causing chaos and cops + a vigilante who dresses up as a bat tries to stop him. Seriously if you took the batman characters out of it, it would still be a great crime drama and people would probably compare it with Heat Instead of super hero movies.

[@antona.1327]

OnionChoppingNinja, let me explain why your point is wrong: 1. The Dark Knight trilogy are comic book movies de-facto. Comic book movie is a term that refers to any movie based on a source material that was published in the form of a comic book. It's an objective definition. So, The Dark Knight, A History in Violence, and Road to Perdition are all comic book movies. 2. The idea of putting Batman and his villains in a real-life-like setting and portraying their stories as an exaggerated, mildly realistic crime tales has been a staple of Batman's comics since Denny O'Neil's and Neal Adam's run on Batman. So The Dark Knight trilogy is perfectly in line with the comic book lore. 3. Infinity War was not even like the comics, buddy. The Dark Knight had more to do with the comics than Infinity War. Infinity War couldn't even get the motivation of Thanos right. The movie made him into a generic social-Darwinist. Thanos was not that in the comics. He was a madman, remember? That's his name - Thanos, The Mad Titan. The Dark Knight was so pedantic about respecting its source of inspiration, the iconic graphic novel The Long Halloween, it homages that novel by putting Two-Face in the middle of the third act. Which is exactly where Two-Face appears in the novel. The novel contains of twelve individual issues, and Two-Face appears in the last two.

[@rshah03]

Two words: Zach Snyder. Wonder Woman did well bc look who directed it. Not Zach Snyder.

[@thomassmith2891]

Wonder women was garb though

[@bounty8438]

Suicide squad wasn’t directed by Snyder. It was the rushed nature of the film

[@GeorgeMillerUSA]

Wonder Woman is terrible imo.

[@GeorgeMillerUSA]

@@bounty8438 Blame WB. They wanted the movie to have humor and completely remove Joker’s abusive relationship with Harley.

[@bounty8438]

George Miller, oh I have some very strong words for WB. They screwed up BVS and panicked so they cut down SS. Now they just butchered JL and are pushing back SHAZAM into April.

[@nicholas8073]

The Dark Knight killed the DCEU because Christopher Nolan set the bar way too high

[@funwithtropes69]

Nah. Nolan doesn't want the "realistic" trilogy to be involved with the universe, which is hypocritical since all of those movies' third acts are downright cartoonish, impossible, and fantastical compsred to their first two acts.

[@thatcherfreeman]

Joe Martinez What was so cartoony about the end of The Dark Knight?

[@pittland44]

I could not agree more. I also think they pressed Batman back into service way too quickly. On top of that WB/DC failed to truly account for Marvel. That is they saw and envied Marvel's success, but they failed to truly grasp that Marvel moved the goal posts and with the release of The Avengers the whole paradigm of superhero movies had changed. DC thought they could still ride the Dark Knight train but they don't have any of the talent or ingenuity that made the Nolan movies work nor did they have the heart or humor that made the Marvel movies work.

[@funwithtropes69]

@@thatcherfreeman, the transformation of Two-Face, his immediate rampage and downfall, is so cartoonish I wish the film ends with the Joker being defeated rather than him going down.

[@thatcherfreeman]

Joe Martinez I see where you're coming from but idk if I'd say that's anywhere near as cartoonish as most of what's in any super hero movie nowadays. It's still in a level more realistic and gritty than, say, Man of Steel.

[@sandymccabe7670]

It's been said before and i will say it again but most of the dc animated movies are very good so why that kind of story boarding can't be adapted to the a live action movie screen is a mystery to me.

[@jlogan2228]

Yeah I just watched death of Superman and thought holy shit why didn't they do more of this in bvs????

[@HovektheArtist]

I want a live action under the red hood thats got the feel of the animated movie

[@MrCODEmaster999]

Cause the cartoony elements would not translate well into live action. In any case Man of Steel was done very well so obviously WB dropped the ball with DCEU.

[@kzarkage]

Cause fu*k Batman

[@jslaughter95]

@@MrCODEmaster999 man of steel was done horribly... I don't see how people can defend that movie. Sure it's visually appealing and has good fight scenes but the story and pacing were ass... Kal is on earth for 20, 30 years. Does some superman type things but never actually shows him self being superman until most of the way into the movie and Zod shows up demanding people hand him over. Except the only fucking people who know who he is are his mother and Lois plot device Lane. They spent way too much time on his past and not nearly enough building his character all because Snyder wanted to make it a gritty dark movie, which superman isn't at all, there's a reason he's constantly called the Boy scout

[@kenc12]

When you get mocked by teen titans go just pack it in man

[@teddyriggs1305]

Than Titans came out Shit

[@jmaxpaine]

Ken_Ken 20 for some reason I read that in Jordan Peterson’s voice lol

[@adamfeliciano6321]

^lmao probably because he said ,man

[@ltsalte9200]

@Scott Summers only sheep call sheep sheep, ya sheep

[@MrlspPrt]

In Soviet Russia, the parody parodies you...

[@Quincy_Morris]

Batman has always been different from the rest of the DC universe and a lot of creators fail to appreciate that.

[@AttackMyClone]

This is probably true. As someone who grew up watching the Batman Animated Series, I personally think Batman is better on its own. You put indestructible aliens, superpowered Amazonian women and a group of intergalactic police force and it all becomes uninteresting to me.

[@JV-yq7dx]

AttackMyClone ikr, I never understood how people say DC is darker than marvel, I’m not saying Marvel is dark, being lighthearted is great, but apart from batman, what’s so dark about DC, I love both but for different reasons and apart from batman they’re not so different, both can be lighthearted and dark and work perfectly if done right, compare the dark knight and Spider-Man, then compare Logan and the original Superman movie, done right both tones are good, look at justice league and suicide squad, two bright and colorful movies that are horrible and Thor the dark world, they can do both and debating that one is better bc it’s dark is pointless and the other can do it too

[@notexalted800]

@@JV-yq7dx DC is a lot darker than Marvel in the comics. Movies I say would be the same. A example that comes to mind of DC darkness is how Dr. Light (If you remember him from the Teen Titans Cartoon) actually raped Elongated Man's wife when he was onboard the Watchtower. He was a serial rapist and extremely powerful, so the Justice League decide to alter his mind to make him a weak villain via Zatanna magic. They also alter Batman's mind as he disagree with this.

[@parkerboy795]

@@notexalted800 No, DC isn't darker in comics. They both have dark and lighthearted stories. As for that story, it was a terrible story. Alot of DC fans think so. That's an example of being dark without proper reason. It doesn't help that that became the defining characterization of Dr Light.

[@notexalted800]

@@parkerboy795 No, DC is more darker than marvel generally

[@YksiSuomalainen]

Don't blame the Dark Knight for everything other people did after it.

[@noobslayer8310]

More of a compliment don't you think?

[@ell4092]

A film like the dark knight could only work with Batman. Bruce Wayne is just a normal guy with some martial arts training and money, and so making it feel like a crime thriller worked because that is kind of what Batman is. An alien in neon tights? Not so much.

[@ell4092]

Samir Simo i was referring to the whole trilogy, not just the one movie

[@ell4092]

debkamal mullick yeah. unfortunately, the mcu has eliminated that tension by never letting anyone die, so that’s why I’m glad that infinity war ended the way it did

[@ericktorres4055]

@debkamal mullick IF THEY'RE MORE POWERFUL THAN THANOS, WHY IN THE FUCK JUSTICE LEAGUE SUCKED AND FLOPPED OVER INFINITY WAR WITH OVER 2 BILLION WORLD WIDE AND A SNAP???

[@ericktorres4055]

@Booper Dooper Just like The Joker was introduced in the DCEU and was a complete shit

[@ericktorres4055]

@Booper Dooper we're talking about movies

[@LavenousForever]

I liked Man of Steel as a stand alone movie. I like Wonder Woman as a stand alone movie. I loved Aqua man as a stand alone movie. I didn’t hate BvS but honestly i don’t remember much that happened... never saw justice league or suicide squad. Basically what I’m trying to say is DC tried to run into the universe thing too soon. Or the fact that they did it at all. Look JUST BECAUSE MARVEL HAS A SUCCESSFUL UNIVERSE DOESNT MEAN EVERYTHING HAS TO BE A UNIVERSE NOW! I realize that the DC universe IS a universe that already exists, but there is nothing wrong with stand alone movies!

[@mikearchibald744]

The appeal is the same as the 'celebrity angel'. As Oliver Goldman said, celebrities don't sell movies, but they do open them. Thats the appeal of the universe thing, anything to give it a leg up. Its surprising because there are actually SO few movies that come out, yet its all tied to the first week it seems. You don't make money then and you aren't going to make money. Apart from the batmans I didn't really like ANY of the DC movies, too predictable. I didn't mind BVS, it was pretty good, just too many dream sequences. The problem of course is Marvel and the nature of executives. With Marvel you actually have guys who can stand up to executives, who almost always give bad advice. DC has always been run by Warner, which is executive hell. Some marvels fall into that trap, but many have strong directors who executives just like, like Taika Waikiti. They saw some rushes, laughed and liked it, left him alone. You can almost always tell an executive 'suggestion' or demand in a movie. Nothing wrong with a universe, but when all you can do is copy marvel you have a problem. I mean, there are decades worth of scripts, and thats the best? Crisis on Infinite Earths predates Marvels multiverse, but all DC can come up with is Teen Titans, and their animation movies are far superior to their other movies. But executives live to copy, not originate.

[@Birthday888]

Also, Zack Snyder just doesn't get why people like Superman and Batman and why those characters work. It becomes blindingly obvious when you watch his interviews about both films.

[@Galimeer5]

That Titans/Teen Titans GO comparison was savage

[@maniacdane]

It had me dyiiiing lol

[@romellemartinez9784]

Yup

[@rowanmiller7062]

And sadly very accurate

[@DumbDecisionsPodcast]

TRUE! I need to see that entire clip.

[@seededsoul]

Can we do a GoFundMe for that movie to NOT be made?? Ugh!

[@KillerUnicorn586]

it's a shame because their animated films and TV series clearly show they know how to make good content

[@sanguineregis5354]

EXACTLY.

[@Maniac742]

Live action Teen Titans would like a word.

[@Crazybones66]

Well, if it ain't animated, DC can't do it Justice

[@nlg070301]

I find it quite funny that people hate the DCEU but watch utter shite like the Arrowverse. Probably the most camp looking thing I have ever seen. The DCEU is by no means perfect but don't attempt to say the TV shows are any better. They're embarrassing compared to shows like Daredevil.

[@NY_7]

YES! But that's DC making those, with WB funding. The movies have WB executives up the asses of the writers or they just pick the dumbest story written. The WB needs to let DC Comics make their own decisions and make their own movies. The WB just needs to fund it and both studios would benefit in the end.

[@chandlerl2189]

The reason is because the Dark Knight focused on moral themes while remaining an action movie. Almost all movies since are just action, and don’t really focus on the genre I like to call “Superhero Crime Fiction”. Whereas superhero tells action, Crime Fiction means, well, crime, and morality being tested. Testing the audience’s moral standards (a great example is the most recent Orient Express movie) means that they feel more of an emotion connection to the movie, making the events stand out more.

[@ytkingoffun2129]

The scene of Batman chasing with the his motorcycle was bad ass

[@godspeed6947]

Nolan’s writing and directing was amazing. I was constantly zoned into the screen/story of the Dark Knight.

[@Beastking800]

Plus Christian Bale batman had an amazing cast, Morgan Freeman, Michael Caine, his batman version made me love batman, but then batman vs Superman came out and it Honestly didn't look right without Christian Bale

[@shades1503]

Godspeed so basically the dark knight was great then dc got lazy with their movies?

[@laurocoman]

@@shades1503 It wasn't lazyness, it was more a timing and patience issue. These films could have all been good, maybe great, but they kept pushing half-made films to fit a timeline, had they gave them a little bit of room they would have felt more complete. Man of Steel was not bad, and that's because that's the only film that wasn't a commercial for other films.

[@shades1503]

Bitchslapped they shouldn’t have announced anything about any new movies until they were sure

[@laurocoman]

@@shades1503 right, they didn't even know what worked and what didn't.

[@ilo2224]

Original Batman films had its own *Soul* Nolan’s Batman had its own *Soul* The MCU has its own *Soul* The DCEU doesn’t have anything, just an empty shell of a studio shat out pice of rubbish

[@TheDestroyer73]

AND its always trying to be "dark" for some fuck sake reason

[@dirtmcgirt9420]

Put up your own money and make the movies how you want! Stop bitching!

[@the_mastermage]

well DC has always been Dark except for Captain Marvel, and what we have seen now is not nearly as Dark as the Comics really are, Blackest Night or Final Crisis that is Dark

[@captainsave-a-ho1509]

It does have a soul. It has the soul of an idiotic edge-lord.

[@badreality2]

@@dirtmcgirt9420 Yeah, like the average Joe can crowd-fund 40 million dollars, to make a movie, that theaters will show. Oh, and make sure to add two million dollars to that, for licensing fees. Idiot.

[@rockmanx20]

You know what? Im gonna watch the nolan trilogy again

[@Pernection]

It was only 2

[@AbelSosa-r9u]

@@Pernection do we not count the dark knight rises?

[@weasel4674]

steve Macaulay Dark knight rises wasnt as good as begins or dark knight, but it should still be accounted for

[@hanzohasashi844]

@@weasel4674 what was wrong with The Dark Knight rises 🤔

[@weasel4674]

dragon stone It was a fine movie, but with the dark knight being a predecessor it just seemed kind of a let down, I still love the movie though

[@thebadguychinli4011]

That’s because the directors don’t understand that Batman’s atmosphere is just not the same as Superman, yet they try to make Superman somber and gritty and it just doesn’t translate well. Also, the casting…

[@-Scrapper-]

batman isn't gritty either. They are just copying nolan

[@eddhiggins9034]

At 13:15, you hit the nail on the head. Marvel, my #2 in favorite character base, did their homework and found the nerds who could make these stories come to life.

[@andyparker5688]

So, DC's your #1?

[@eddhiggins9034]

@@andyparker5688 I love the characters of DC comics. Every time I look for a comic to read, I learn to DC. I just think the entire line of characters are more interesting and relatable to myself.

[@eddhiggins9034]

@@andyparker5688 yes - DC is my #1.

[@andyparker5688]

Relatable? I don't exactly think that DC (which is mostly about Gods) is more keen on relatability than Marvel (which is mostly about humans). Batman sure is one massive exception though, and I do find him greatly interesting/relatable.

[@eddhiggins9034]

@@andyparker5688 Well, yeah... He is my favorite comic book character. No other compares to him, in my opinion.

[@phamchunghieu4560]

Imagine being such an OP director that your movie kill a billion dollars worth franchise before its even born

[@krynwomble3937]

Phạm Chung Hiếu Literally spawn-camping/aborting the DCEU.

[@feordedid9113]

"Chris nolan aborted dc"

[@MrlspPrt]

Tragic irony... even worse if we take Nolan's trilogy as a whole...

[@Nintendoggy]

Star Wars ep 8....

[@sertaki]

Oh god. Teen Titans Go describing Titans perfectly is so real, it hurts.

[@lobstermagnetreview]

So glad people are finally getting a kick out of that bit.

[@Thalanox]

One of the very, very few things Teen Titans Go did right.

[@1r0zz]

the irony is that Teen Titans Go uses those joke at the expense of the fans who want a series that respects Titans as a serious cast of character, instead of a bunch of jokes...

[@Thalanox]

1r0zz After learning the context of this, I retract my earlier comment.

[@1r0zz]

Thalanox yeah... I mean, it's weird... I mean I guess they can hate the "anime" like Teen Titans previous series, but the group of teen titans is an interesting group and cast of heroes that you can use for many interesting stories...I mean, Raven alone could be the main character of a full big budget movie... TTgo also "insulted" Young Justice series and that's where the whole "serious story" joke started...

[@athamas1294]

The dark Knight is simply the greatest superhero movie,no question

[@xStealthPigeon]

@laz kar Dark Knight didnt need time travel or 10 plus years of set up to be good.

[@dsmann12]

@laz kar In 10 years, Endgame will be considered a good movie, but TDK will still be considered one of the best movies of the century.

[@SpaceAlley]

@laz kar the dark Knight is still the greatest superhero film even after endgame has come out

[@_V.Va_]

@@xStealthPigeon Because its story was self contained. The Dark Knight didn't have so many characters to introduce and develop, but that's because it didnt NEED to. Endgame DID.

[@Nobodyss21]

laz kar Wtf?! Endgame is the mess. Time travel is the mess. Wtf with nebula killing herself?

[@nosfonader8792]

DC and WB clearly got scared that Marvel was making B and C list characters as overnight rockstars. When a talking raccoon and tree become superstars, DC clearly did something wrong. I always felt DC should’ve made a Batman movie before the BvS one. Wonder Woman and the Flash after that. Justice League next, introduce Aquaman and Green Lantern in the JL movie. A Brainiac invasion would be the reason and revealing that Brainiac destroyed Kyrpton ( he wanted their technology). Green Lantern and Aquaman movies come after the League one.

[@DragonoftheDarknessFlame]

Guardians of the Galaxy were already popular before the movies though. People loved their comics years before the movie was even a thought

[@Noin007]

They were beloved in their comic bubble, but your average movie goer was in the dark. Hell, I grew up on things like the X-Men cartoon and dabbled in comics but had never heard of them.

[@nosfonader8792]

I knew more about the Inhumans than the Guardians. I knew mostly surface level info. Like how they ruined Drax and the Nova corps for instance.

[@uno9331]

@@DragonoftheDarknessFlame No they weren't people never heard of them and I'm speaking from experience I loved marvel and never heard of gaurdians of the galaxy look at the interviews and etc people made them the under dogs because nobody knew they existed the success of the movie is what made them popular it's the same situation with the Inhumans many people never heard of them but it marvel managed to make the show better than the bullshit they made people would've fell in love I feel like but sadly inhumand legacy is tarnished before it even got a chance to begin lol

[@bishop253]

My brother and myself would play the Marvel games pretty consistently, and I never heard of Guardians until I saw a commercial for the movie.

[@bobthet-rex2718]

Titans vs teen titans go was hilarious but it also filled me with pain because it is true

[@Anon-lu6ct]

Same but with cringe instead of rage

[@zero-wolf5519]

Aqua man is going to flop

[@bobthet-rex2718]

Selassie West and the Shazam trailer was embarrassing

[@Anime4Life35]

I'm sick of people saying dark and gritty is the reason why the films were bad. No it wasn't they were just bad films that happen to be dark and gritty

[@Codsbestsniper]

I think what he's trying to say is that the films were bad because they tried to be gritty, when they didn't have the nuance to make it sophisticated, just campy.

[@sidr2679]

Nah, Man of Steel and Batman vs Superman were bad because they were dark and gritty because Zack Snyder does not now, nor has he ever understood Superman and tried to make him too much like Batman.

[@ladydias3207]

Sid R Amen! I've said this to my friends, Zack neither understands nor respects Superman's character and you can't build up the Justice League when you can't even get Superman - who is a massively central character - right.

[@madjester6088]

Right. Many of the DC animated films, which are dark, are absolutely great!! Provided Geoff Johns isn't writing Hal Jordan...

[@antona.1327]

Rocco Angone, of all the legitimate criticisms DCEU have received, the dark and gritty wasn't at the top of the list. The most glaring issues were the attempts to copy MCU's overused formula, with jokes in inappropriate places, pointless worldbuilding, and pointless plot points that are meant to set up future movies.

[@henrybones9314]

One thing DC got it right: let Hans Zimmer score the theme.

[@amirhassan7887]

yah but he only got creative freedom on Man of Steel and Wonder Woman. Danny elfman fucks everything up with BvS's score and Hans left his Justice League project.

[@ZybakTV]

DC should embrace the R rating. That's how they can differentiate themselves from Marvel. Logan was fantastic.

[@rawleyfear5749]

Yeah, but Superman, Batman, and WW should be accessible to kids. Agree that side movies would do well with R.

[@twodogsandacat2573]

Logan is Marvel though and so is deadpool, I doubt they can overpower those with R rated movies and besides, those characters are meant for kids anyway

[@lorkhan8565]

@@twodogsandacat2573 the kids who liked those characters are adults now..... have you seen the state of the cartoons and movies? haha they should at very least try to replicate the justice league cartoon. the comics still have a dark and gritty feel to most their work even the original teen titens cartoon had adult themes and wasn't talking down to you like that those new ones that have silly fart jokes and feels very much like nickelodeon show than a DC show.

[@DanielWidrew]

@@twodogsandacat2573 the characters are marvel, but they're fox movies. no way marvel studio would put out movies that aren't cotton candy

[@NYcascade91]

Well the comics aren’t for kids and these kids now a days don’t kno who Majority of these heroes are

[@cameron818]

Dark Knight Rises was amazing. He wasn't done lol. He put a fantastic ending on a remarkable trilogy.

[@BryanVGK23]

Cameron Rice thank you! He doesn’t get enough credit for putting a great ending to the trilogy which was very tough to do given the circumstances

[@JC-ev2ns]

Teen Titans Go makes fun of dark and gritty movies and then DC turns around and makes a live action teen titans that is dark and gritty. Is ANYONE at DC even paying attention at this point? They are laughably incompetent

[@huntsman528]

The Live Action Teen Titans is pretty sad.

[@leotamer5]

I was really excited for Titans. I then saw a picture of the cast standing together and all of that existing immediately drained out of me.

[@etherspin]

that doesn't need to be the case - look at Adam West's batman co-existing with Bales depiction, a successful light hearted take doesn't diminish a future serious angle on the material

[@mainstreetsaint36]

This is where a multiverse works; you can have both dark/gritty/realistic existing next to more light-hearted fare.

[@CoderatheGreat]

I believe studio execs saw that episode and just assumed we all wanted a "brutal, edgy" Teen Titans rather than the original show which was able to effectively balance both light and dark moments. They're such a joke.

[@nielsmichiels1939]

*"How the Dark Knight Killed the DCEU"* By being better in every way. question answered. you don't need to watch the video, move along.

[@brothersforever2147]

Thank you

[@kaisac.]

@Infinite Warlock you're on some mad drugs if you think the dark knight is only a bit better than the dceu

[@Mr.Funnyguy194]

laz kar yes but English please, besides,the movies were only because of the good was because of the writing, good cgi(there wasn’t much cgi anyway), amazing acting and good choreography... nothing special, it definitely doesn’t deserve praise for that

[@Mr.Funnyguy194]

Whoops, don’t quote me on “English please”

[@cody_638]

@@Mr.Funnyguy194 "English please" -Red Rosenberg

[@markamanic]

It feel like a lot of "DCEU defenders" think critisism of the movies equals critisism of the characters or source material. It's not, a lot of it comes from a place of love. I must say I'm not a big comic book guy, I read a few but only after the MCU got me hooked on superheroes and their interconnected stories. And as much as it may seem, it's never about which side of the coin has the best heroes, both Marvel and DC have a gigantic cast of unique and colourful heroes, people just want them represented in a way that's faithful to the characters. It's a shame Warner Bros doesn't see it like that.

[@markamanic]

And by faithful I mean Batman not using firearms and Superman not letting people explode, burn or get crushed under buildings he himself knocked over.

[@jackj9816]

Markamanic I was the same with the dark knight and Arkham games before them I did not read comics but now I really like Batman comics and now deadpool as well

[@johnathonhaney8291]

I have a nickname for such defenders: Stockholm Syndrome sufferers. At this point, it borders on masochism in how they defend this shit, settling for the mediocre because they're so afraid they'll get nothing otherwise.

[@brycebitetti1402]

killbotone Many people would disagree with you on that because it's a pretty unpopular opinion. Not just fans, but the general audience and critics alike seem to agree that Infinity War was pretty great. The Marvel fanboys do get very defensive at times, though. Unless what you're criticizing is Iron Man 2, The Incredible Hulk, or Thor the Dark World, you WILL get bombarded by Marvel fans calling your opinions trash.

[@brycebitetti1402]

killbotone No, it wasn't. That is a blatantly wrong statement. A majority of Marvel fans these days are adults, and why yes, some get quite defensive, I've seen many respectful ones. And no, the general consensus is not that Infinity War was bad. Look at critic reviews, KZbinrs, video essays, and many more. I don't care if you liked it or not, but it is a provable fact that it was well received by most.

[@TheBeardedBrosChannel]

Till this day, I think The Batman Animated Series is one of the best on-screen story telling that I’ve ever seen. DC needs to stop trying to be Chris Nolan. Also, am I the only one that actually enjoyed Man of Steel?

[@kevincasey5996]

Yep

[@ssj4x448]

I loved it

[@httohot]

@@ssj4x448 I love it when I pretend that its a new superhero and not superman I always giggle now when I think about superman snapping necks to solve his problems "oh boy this is a tough opponent better snap his neck to save the day"

[@ssj4x448]

@@httohot I was never the biggest superman fan so I didn't really know what to expect so it was easier to like

[@sinmir501]

Imagine a animated DC EU with better voice actors

[@azraelbrown9889]

The cringe factor of the titan live movie segment... was over 9000!!

[@FlaccidSunday]

It's a series not a movie. And it's gonna be much better than it looks. Story wise

[@HolleWalle]

Man, even TT Go seems more competent than the live adaptation.

[@friggyk]

*it’s a damn shame how the animated DC universe IS MILES BETTER than the live action dceu*

[@UGNPFU]

Damn that Teen Titans Go v Titans was hilarious!

[@1138shirerat]

Couldn’t agree more dude, no matter how good the first two Nolan movies were, it set WB and the DCEU on a path of self-destruction.

[@lobstermagnetreview]

Thx man

[@WickedKnightAlbel]

The writing on the Justice League/Unlimited cartoon is godlike

[@jacobaarum]

The writer passed away though. People pay more credit to Dini or Timm but I credit Dwayne McDuffie more since he had his own spin on all the characters and was the main writer throughout the show. Dini is fine. Timm just has weird fetishes where he just has to have a character fuck someone they wouldn't and shouldn't fuck.

[@Comkill117]

It’s the best, that whole era of DC cartoons starting with Batman and Superman all the way to JL:U was perfect. Hell it started Batman Beyond and that’s my probably favorite Batman series.

[@minatodroger7890]

So damn true it Batman beyond, BAtman the animates series, young justice Teen Titans just god like

[@UnchainedEruption]

Terry R. I don’t think the others would ever be as good as Batman the Animated Series was, but they were still all very well done. Honestly superhero movies should just end. We’ve already seen a good Justice League adaptation in those cartoons. The live action movies and CW soap operas suck. The movies are boring, overdone, and predictable.

[@javier.alvarez764]

Mr. JustAGuyWithALightsaber I agree. Although we now have a lot of superhero movies, most of it are just average. Most of these movies lack depth. They are the new replacement for the Transformers franchise.

[@marvelousmeh2077]

Comparing the Dark Knight Trilogy to the DC Extended Universe is very insulting and you should be ashamed of it.

[@Hexamedro]

Marvelous Meh It’s not a comparison, it’s a description of how the DCEU literally killed itself.

[@TheVladMan.]

Hexa Medro Batman Begins and Superman Returns should’ve started the DCEU. Both movies were one year apart from each other. Both movies were fresh on Rotten Tomatoes. Both movies looked and felt like they could’ve been connected. Superman Returns referenced Gotham City. Not to mention, it grossed more money at the box office than Batman Begins. I Am Legend teased a crossover between them for May 2010. The billboard in Times Square had Christian Bale’s Batman logo and Brandon Routh’s Superman logo merged together.

[@rhyslloyd3200]

One had Nolan, the other had Zack Snyder. There's your difference

[@lightningthebeast]

Thou should not compare infinity with zero

[@__________1175]

@ If only that presence was felt in the writing.

[@roberonin7400]

Snyder got it right it was him leaving that killed it

[@Shendue]

@@roberonin7400 Nah, Snyder even directed that mediocre Superman movie. He's a good worker when he follows the source material almost page-by-page (300, Watchmen), but when tries to put his personal twist on a movie, he fails miserably. Look at Man of Steel. Lots of good stuff when he sticks to the source material, then he decides to convey some convoluted concept about the world not being ready for the second coming or something, so he makes him stand while doing nothing watching HIS OWN FATHER dying to save a fucking dog, just to protect his secret identity. Too bad that he already showed his powers to all of his classmates with the bus incident and he does the exact same thing on the oil platform later on, which makes zero sense. The guy doesn't give a fuck to give away his identity to save complete strangers but lets his father die to save a dog. Wow. So deep. Snyder's a joke. They should have hired Affleck to direct BvS instead of acting in it.

[@roberonin7400]

@@Shendue man of steal was the best orgin superman story lol

[@daniellye6820]

We need a remake of all DC films EDIT: Except Nolan's ones

[@eternalblessing4984]

Keep Man of Steel and Wonder Woman.

[@mr.starkidontfeelsogood7413]

Keep the original Batman. Lol.

[@chrisanders713]

You can remake the third Nolan movie.

[@tompor561]

Burton's Batman movies are good

[@InfernoBlade64]

Daniel Lye especially bvs

[@TotallyHateit]

Edgy actually works for some characters, I liked Harley in suicide squad. But dear god edgy did not work for The Joker who was basically a psychotic fuckboy in his thirties.

[@jaredtgriffinatyahoo]

Oh come on, they gave him nothing to do!

[@karimshebeika8010]

@@jaredtgriffinatyahoo to be fair I was ok with Suicide Squad. I always get so hyped from trailers that disappointments have become the norm for me so I learned to deal with them. Suicide Squad was less disappointing than I expected

[@jimbertido2800]

Joaquin Phoenix will save DC.

[@nhmooytis7058]

Jim Bertido he's a one dimensional boring actor who will suck as The Joker.

[@blackstewiegriffin]

Jim Bertido DCEU is already rebuilding themselves after Justice League. Wonder Woman and Aquaman are good. They should focus on doing solo movies from now on

[@Nosleep5937]

@@nhmooytis7058 how do you know if it's based on the trailers don't waste words on me

[@nielsmichiels1939]

Honestly doubt it.

[@veritas4733]

After seeing the teaser trailer. Ive lost all interest, it doesnt look like a comic book movie for me but one of those bs looking action movies.

[@shaurya4242]

"It's success along with Iron Man ushered in a golden era of superhero films" Spider-Man Trilogy: Am I joke to you?

[@IsGoNu]

THE PMC X-Men saga from 2000 hello?

[@stanleyshady9465]

lol Yes

[@manniking233]

X-Men and Spiderman, please shut up!

[@AntarcticMagpie]

Spiderman and X-Men "woke up" mainstream media to the idea that superhero movies ~might actually be cool~. Batman Begins/ The Dark Knight and Iron Man confirmed this, thereby indeed "ushering in a golden age of superhero movies." My point is: both sets are equally important, merely in different ways.

[@AntarcticMagpie]

@@avedeathstroke6577 true :P

[@Laikenwilliams]

that Teen Titans comparison! had me dead. But seriously. Everytime I see a DC movie-- even if the trailers look good .. its like "ohhhh just wait."

[@pittland44]

That's where I'm at, I might see something later, but I do not get hyped up for anything DC does anymore.

[@1r0zz]

I mean the best DC movie was Wonder Woman and it was visually dull, repetitive, made Wonder Woman a joke, confused WWI with WWII...

[@pittland44]

@@1r0zz They didn't confuse WW1 with WW2, they had to change Wonder Woman's backstory so that it would be different from Captain America's.

[@Interfector0]

Gotta disagree - Wonder Woman was the only good movie in the whole goddamn DCEU. I'd say it was because Snyder wasn't involved, but, well, Suicide Squad sucked.

[@1r0zz]

pittland44 no they actually confused WW1 with WW2...the big difference between WW1 and WW2 is that EVERY COUNTRY in WW1 was "bad"...the war exploded pretty much because everyone thought they had better weapons that could resolve in blood all the various gripes between countries...sure Germany could be said more "evil" for the use of chemical weapons, that said British, French and Austrian forces started to adopt them (and british use was kinda a failiure...). also the gas mask in WWI wasn't that great (so the whole gas-melting-mask in the story is kinda silly, also because it should also attack skin and clothes...I mean many WWI gas kinda attacked the skin anyway...)

[@Bmystyle]

The Dark Knight didnt kill the DCEU, it's the incompetent studio execs behind the scenes that are too lazy to research the source materiel and find the right tone for each character and movie. They'd rather slap a "Dark Knight" filter over everything in the hopes that it performs as well. What they don't realize is that the dark gritty look & feel worked for Nolan in Dark Knight because it's the essence of Batman. End rant.

[@juanbartolo3828]

@Antonio Valdivia Jr aaaaw dammit! You beat me to the comment! Lol

[@Godzillaaaaa11]

In this guy's defense the title says Dark Knight did, which is exactly what OP refuted

[@xsteveconwayx]

I agree. Batman Begins and Dark Knight were partly written by Goyer, who I believe confessed to being a total Batman fanboy. I could be wrong. Maybe it was Chris Nolan’s brother? I don’t remember. But it was written by people who clearly understood the essence of Batman.

[@eagleone0one]

Indeed, one who is lazy is right next to one who is destructive. If you want something worthy, you must put in the time and effort - mansions and castles aren't built overnight, but a cheap shack sure can be.

[@xsteveconwayx]

Noctis Caelum I disagree. I liked Ben Affleck as Batman, but I think the Dark Knight trilogy were the better films.

[@Ash-np4pd]

Batman begins - 9/10 The Dark Knight - 11/10 The Dark Knight Rises - 10/10 But all 3 are masterpieces .

[@UTU49]

10 10 7

[@Ash-np4pd]

UTU49 there is no movie in TDK trilogy under 9

[@UTU49]

I'm marking too hard because TDKR suffers by comparison with the others. Revised to ... 10 10 8

[@Ash-np4pd]

UTU49 for me Batman begins is the weakest but all three are masterpieces to me in terms of superhero films

[@mmed23]

Is it bad I like the dark knight rises the best

[@jammydodger222Xxd]

DC should have just completely ignored what marvel were doing and focused on doing *Their* thing and taking their time to do it

[@theconsciousobserver6829]

Exactly

[@lye27]

its WB! DC has no control to live-action movie

[@elin111]

Compelling characters is what keeps the MCU going, getting a director that isn't good with characters was a bad idea.

[@whytmangatv]

They should just use the Flashpoint movie to undo the garbage parts and fix their universe. Better than an overall reset button because I love the DCEU casting decisions for the most part and Wonder Woman did well.

[@captainsave-a-ho1509]

Hahahahahahaha

[@danielsantos6437]

They will screw that up too if they make it, let it just die, we have Marvel, they are making entertaining movies. (Only one I didn't like was the latest avengers: Infinity war)

[@-Trauma.]

The DCEU needs Dr. Manhattan and that Doomsday Clock story in live action, and it shall start with Flashpoint Paradox, & Dr. Manhattan witnessing the creation of another Universe due to the Flash's actions...I just want to see everything I've read recently in live action, I want to see Mr. Oz revealed as Jor-El and I want to see he and Kal-El fight and then I want to see Kal-El use the Cosmic Treadmill (or whatever they want to use in the DCEU) to be given the chance to create his own Paradox Universe...yes...I want to see this all in live action. As well as The White Knight starring William Defoe as The Joker/Jack Napier...

[@bombasticbagman]

I see you like stealing comments

[@danielsantos6437]

He's not stealing he is copying...

[@MrRockstar402]

The answer is simple: the Dark Knight trilogy as a whole was just superior to the current DCEU. Better cast, way better villains (although the Riddler would've been awesome to see in Nolan's trilogy. Bale's Batsuits were way better (the Batman logo on Affleck's suits alone sucks) and is all around a better Batman than Ben (I would've picked Jim Caviezel). Heath Ledger's Joker is the greatest movie villain ever period, that alone buried the DCEU, considering how terrible Leto's Joker was (he looked more like a junkie pimp than a super villain).

[@dstreamerII]

You Said It! ha

[@nielsmichiels1939]

hell a lot of batman villains could have worked in a nolan style movie. Poison ivy: Get rid of the mutations, keep the femme fatale act, make her into an eco terrorist that blows up powerplants or could release a genetically modified version of the Ophiocordyceps unilateralis spore troughout the city. (a type of nightmare mushroom that can take over the body of ants, just imagine if it would be able to take over a human being). The riddler Just make him into a zodiac style serial killer, done. The pinguin Can largely stay the same, he doesn't have superpowers, without his special umbrella he's just a regular crime boss. Mister freeze: Suffers from hyperthermia (no, not hypothermia, *hyper* -themia) and for some reason is able to survive this for a limited amount of time by putting himself in a suit that keeps him cold by using a liquid nitrogen tank using an old style NASA enviromental enclosed space suit or something. And arm him with a nozzle that fires said liquid nitrogen. Trying to get enough money together to save his dying wife before he dies. Did i mention this should take place while a (naturally formed) massive blizzard is going on?

[@thedude9941]

Bales bat suits where better than Affleck's lol! I hope you where kidding.

[@suvajitchoudhury1707]

@@thedude9941 yes because bale's suit was armored unlike stupid rubber suit of affleck lol

[@thedude9941]

@@suvajitchoudhury1707 but Affleck suit was comic book accurate and it was Kevlar not rubber.

[@subliteral]

That comparison between the Teen Titans Go episode & the crappy TV series at 14:35 is so accurate it's freaking spooky.

[@viditmanjrekar2940]

DCEU should have just been patient like Marvel. Instead of trying to catch up with Marvel they should have learned from Marvel. Also the DCEU movies were tonally too inconsistent. This is the main reason why Justice League failed. Batmans character went from a dark killing vigilante to a joke cracking idiot. And now Henry Cavill apparently isn't Superman anymore? Gg DCEU.

[@yeongvinsheng7639]

Not good game, it's game over.

[@jacobaarum]

The problem is inconsistencies in the vision. Snyder already had 5 movies planned out. He had his conclusion for the universe written and he was gonna let WB go from there. WB said fuck that, greenlit Suicide Squad and Wonder Woman and the universe just simply became the case of too many hands in the cookie jar.

[@timothygalvin3021]

I don't think that justice league was technically a box office failure

[@LongjoyNl]

I hate when people say DC tried to play catch up...So...introducing your big team up movie instead of solo movies is trying to play catching up..?? Wrong..it's their way of introducing characters... It also adds a mystery to why they are contributing to the team.. Also..the thing about Batman is that it's his way of dealing with the after effects after Supermans death... Batman is still the serious type..however Bruce can sometimes crack a little joke...

[@yeongvinsheng7639]

@@timothygalvin3021 I can't believe justice League 2017 flopped considering that it was screenwrote by Joss Whedon who did 6 MCU films.

[@MrAte-uo7yo]

Oh.....that Teen Titans live action thing is real....... oh......oh no.

[@garver5833]

kill it before it gets started, hurry

[@SephConUno]

*Oh No!*

[@hairypancake]

I want to hear "Crawling in my skin!" on a loop throughout every episode, just crank that edginess up to 11. Also, lol at 80's prostitute Starfire.

[@W0lverineable]

i thought i forgot about that thing , but oh that reminded me again

[@oakeye980]

I thought it was a cosplay fan film. "Fuck Batman" bet he wouldn't say this to his face... 😂

[@shihabhossainjoy2435]

At least Michael bay admits what he is but Zack Snyder is a train wreck

[@jonnymartinez9092]

SHIHAB HOSSAIN JOY actually it's not Snyder's fault wb and the corporates controlled it

[@escanorlionsinofpride6147]

BULLSHIT ! Zack Snyder is a GREAT director, dumbass, it is WB's fault if the WODC (DCEU) is crap for now.

[@onespiker]

@@escanorlionsinofpride6147 its both. Have you looked at his reviews and shittalk.

[@1r0zz]

Escanor Lion Sin of Pride have you seen Sucker Punch? yeah... that's your director...

[@escanorlionsinofpride6147]

@@1r0zz Have you seen 300 ? Or Watchmen ? Now shut the fuck up !

[@NoahSightman]

In my opinion, DCEU, should've been started by showing an existing JL, and expanding from there.

[@jayinquisitive6055]

DC is better at animation flims period

[@xebys6096]

So were just going to watch superhero cartoons on TV?!? How about other demographics that don't read comics and don't watch cartoons? How can you make them pay $$ to appreciate these characters?!?

[@aliazzam626]

Until Spider-Man: Into The Spider-Verse happened

[@ricardopalomino8329]

Stick to those please, leave the theatrical movies to marvel

[@ricardopalomino8329]

Forgot about that Ali, damn. Marvel is leaving no room for dc anywhere

[@mathiyanz]

Literally no one gives a fuck

[@13ishup]

God that Titans trailer is so goddman cringy

[@tribe8342]

they trying to appeal Riverdale fans.

[@j.jonahjameson5729]

Fuck Batman

[@Conanmorlang]

Wat? Its incredibly self-aware! Didnt you hear? (Madness, Madness...)

[@SlugSage]

Stop it....

[@TheBmills415]

Yep

[@DrFroyd123]

The weird thing is that WB has far superior DC toon movies that marvel has

[@mainstreetsaint36]

Doctor strange animated movie was damned good.

[@TheCell111]

I don't think dc has far superior cartoon then marvel cartoon but on average dc cartoons are better then marve cartoons but both are really good.

[@redwolf19k45]

@@TheCell111 No marvel is trash in the animated department.

[@DrFroyd123]

There are over 40 DC animated movies. All of them good, some of them great. Its sad that DC can't produce a decent live action movie. Just sad

[@cfruge444]

The Batman Vs. Dracula; Joker's line "Got any ketchup?" still cracks me up just thinking about it - and I only ever saw that movie once.

[@clownprincess1999]

So in one end we could have the best batman trilogy ever and an awful starting dceu, or no batman trilogy and posibbly a better dceu. I choose the first

[@imanshafiq5835]

The Dark Knight trilogy >>>>>> All DCEU Movies Director: Christopher Nolan >>>>>>> Zack Synder

[@Denis-qv5yj]

This is a stupid comment because is obvious

[@person-du8dj]

Exactly

[@rand0md00d3]

that titans/teen titans go edit was amazing XD keep up the good work!

[@efenege2]

Bruce Timm and Paul Dini should be the executive producers of all the DC Movies

[@MrBazBake]

Too bad the former gave us The Killing Joke and Harley and Batman.

[@2nd3rd1st]

Let me rephrase you: Bruce Timm and Paul Dini should be executing all producers of the DC Movies

[@jacobaarum]

Paul Dini sure, Bruce Timm made Batman and Batgirl have sex and made Nightwing and Harley have sex. Dude's got a weird fetish it seems.

[@Batz130]

Sooo Bruce timm and Paul dini are still with WB and these are the movies we get. 😑

[@tilaNmanx]

Timm just can't be in total control or we'll have to suffer through all of his fanfictions

[@corruptvisionz6186]

The ‘Do whatever the fuck you want card’ is SO TRUE.

[@ishmaelgeoffrey]

You know what makes a good movie? When you watched it 10000 times and never gets bored. But with BvS, Man of Steel, WW, I dont feel the need to rewatch it again...

[@playboy6548]

That's called a entertaining movie.... You know what makes a good movie? A movie that will impact your mind so much that you won't be able to get over it for at least 10 days......

[@kurthamilton7744]

Man of Steel is kinda entertaining but WW and BvS were both boring.

[@ducoboeschoten]

Why is Watchmen not mentioned. Snyder isnt trying to copy Dark Knight.. The reason the DCU failed is that it was rushed.

[@bifftannen66]

You can make the opposite argument with some of his other movies, but it's easy to blame it all on Snyder.

[@UTU49]

"The reason the DCU failed is that it was rushed." Yeah, that might be 80% of the problem.

[@RafitoOoO]

He said he's technical but horrible to tell a story. It pretty much sums up Watchmen. It was good because he was not in charge of the story.

[@silentnoah]

what do you know thats the reason the new star wars movie suck too.

[@Trazynn]

If the DCEU films were only a tenth as good as Watchmen then it'd be an amazing franchise.

[@TheMrBmurray]

I disagree, I don't think the Nolan-verse destroyed the DCEU. Warner Bros.' incompetence is what killed the DCEU. I honestly think the dark and gritty tone could have worked for the DCEU, it worked for Wonder Woman. The difference is Wonder Woman was done by a legitimate competent director and not an overconfident ass kisser. One thing that exemplifies Snyder's incompetence is the fact he let the producers dictate what the next movie was going to be after Man of Steel. They wanted him to cram all those introductions to ALL those characters to set up Justice League to play catch up with Marvel. It could have worked. But not under the guidance of Zack Snyder. BvS hadn't even hit theaters and they hired him to do Justice League and had him start shooting. When BvS had it's ugly backlash they scrambled desperately. They hired some random music video company to re-cut Suicide Squad without the director's knowledge, and they CUT one of the biggest highlights of the movie (Leto's Joker, even if he clearly was trying too hard). Then they remove Snyder, and put Whedon in with not nearly enough time to truly fix the movie. WB had given up on their DC properties years ago, after they butchered it with Batman & Robin. They became interested again when Nolan made it profitable again. But when he was done they thought they had cracked the code on what makes these properties successful and they were mistaken.

How are you this incompetent?.. He literally just states why the Nolan movies killed the other DC movies..

[@gearaldbecker6015]

Jared' Leto's Joker wasn't the highlight of ANYTHING. It was the WORST "Joker" portrayal of all time. Hell, he wasn't even TRYING to play The Joker; he was doing a Pacino impression or something. He was the only part of that film that I DIDN'T like. Let's just call him "The Joke" and be done with it.

[@rogerwilco2]

The problem is that they first and foremost are trying to make a profitable movie. If that's your main goal, then you're not going to get it. You need to make a good story and then see how to make a profit from it.

[@TheMrBmurray]

Charles Bolanos...and I'm telling you WB could have kept the DCEU going after Nolan, if they just brought in the right people to do it. But their care of the material is so close to apathy that it brought us what we know as the DCEU. Becker I agree Jared's Joker was not great, but WB sold the movie with Harley Quinn, Will Smith and Leto's Joker. But in their post-BvS scramble they cut most of Leto out after promoting him for the movie. RogerWilco you bring up a great point. WB casts their movies based on the draw of the actor/actress and not how well they will do the role. It's how Affleck was casted as Batman. But it boils down to the collaboration between writers, directors and producers. The producers at WB have exuded too much power over the collaboration and we get BvS, SS, and JL.

[@joynerkt]

TheMrBmurray right...!

[@NIDELLANEUM]

It's incredible how Warner Bros. decided to give creative freedom to Christopher Nolan in 2008, for The Dark Knight, and that decision still impacts their superhero movies, 15 years later. I feel like the timing was one of the worst things for this to happen. 2008 was the year of Iron Man, which kickstarted the MCU, so, while their biggest competitor was creating movies centered about different characters, but in the same universe, WB couldn't do it with their already successful movie series because "they gave creative freedom to Nolan". Then, he took 4 years to make The Dark Knight Rises, and, in the meantime, the MCU became so successful that it changed the entire movie landscape, making superhero movies the biggest genre. As such, now that the Dark Knight trilogy had ended, WB needed to get in track with the trend, and started with Man of Steel. They could have had a bigger share of success in this genre, but "they gave creative freedom to Nolan", and are still trying to deal with it.

[@lobstermagnetreview]

Well he was their golden ticket at the time. I don't think giving him freedom was the death knell, but I do think trying to emulate his success really crippled them from the start. DCEU should not have been Nolan or snyder it should have been paul dini and bruce time of the justice league. That's the key to success.

[@NIDELLANEUM]

@@lobstermagnetreview I have to admit, I wasn't expecting such a quick response, and from OP as well. Yeah, I feel like the DCEU just tried to do what Nolan did. Technically, a DC franchise did prove how you could have moved on pretty well from those roots. The Arrowverse started with a show that was pretty much "Nolan's Batman, but with Green Arrow". Then they gradually introduced magic, superpowers, meta-humans and the multiverse, and it became a huge universe. Imagine if the DCEU actually did that

[@lobstermagnetreview]

@@NIDELLANEUM Things are kind of slow on the channel right now and I feed on new comments. Greg Berlanti doesn't get enough appreciation for what he did for the arrowverse he's another person who really should have been taped to take a larger role. Sure the arrowverse might be dead now but the fact that it lasted so long across so many shows is still an impressive achievement.

[@NIDELLANEUM]

@@lobstermagnetreview The Arrowverse made me feel what I wanted to feel from a shared DC Universe. The DCEU had its potential, and I've enjoyed most of its movies, but it always felt like something that couldn't properly take off. James Gunn's DCU *could* do that, but I feel like 10 years of constant flops have thrown DC into a point of no return, so I doubt that people would care enough for it to take off

[@Mareritt]

1) Isn't this the same mentality as blaming the kid who studied for a test and aced it because he made the rest of the class look bad? 2) DCEU failed because WB. Specifically, they hired directors who didn't know nor wanted to know the source material (the characters & world they exist in), they were poorly written, and they wanted to jump on the bandwagon of the MCU without ever doing any character or world building to earn the rapport of the audience.

[@MrPtrlix]

I don't think the uploader actually thinks the Dark Knight is responsible for the failure of DCEU. The title is just short for "How the Dark Knight Gave Birth to the Killer of the DCEU." Basically the same deal with the Jason Bourne trilogy and the action genre of the following decade.

[@Mareritt]

Actually, I was going off what he said in the first few minutes. The title is more of a TL;DW. He keeps basically saying that the Dark Knight was so good, it caused the DCEU to fail.

[@angiee1603]

It's more like some other kid copied the test of the kid who studied and tried to use the same answers on a completely different test.

[@blarghts]

You can't put the blame for the failure of the DCEU anywhere but on senior management. They looked at marvel said they are our competitor we need to catch up with them in Expanded universe creation. They then rushed into making team up movies of characters that we hadn't been introduced to yet and built up an understanding of within the context of said universe. We didn't love bat fleck or aquaman or the flash or cyborg we didn't hate or have affection for the members of the suicide squad. So the film makers where tasked with building fan investment in an entire set of characters and having an interesting conflict at the same time and this is a setup for failure in my opinion. They should have looked to compete with marvel on a tit for tat basis following the roadmap for building a cinematic universe by starting with the individual characters then moving up to multi character movies. Hell they even had an opportunity to one up marvel by building a better rogues gallery cause the mcu's roster of antagonists isn't that great across the board.

[@BrianWilliams-rl9hw]

So I keep hearing this over and over. Do you really think Batman needed a movie before facing off with Superman? Hell I thought the 2-3 scenes where they showed his parents dying in BVS was too much. Everyone on earth knows why Batman became Batman. Everyone on earth knows Superman's tale. You couldn't say the same for Ironman when it came out in 2008, or Black Widow. The Hulk had a long running TV series and a movie before the MCU, Spider-Man had multiple movies, thus why neither (I don't count Nortons Movie) needed an origin movie before coming into the MCU. People already knew there story. Who on the SS was important enough to have an origin? Aquaman is B level JL. I loved Batfleck, and those that hate Snyders movies still enjoyed Batfleck. I do agree the problem was with upper management. But it wasn't the layout, it was the interference they ran against Snyders vision. Cut this, change that, shorten this. It caused confusion, and incoherence. And that's what people mainly don't like about the DCEU. Which Ironically is what people love about the MCU.

[@dingkong5034]

How the DCEU should’ve been: Gen 1: Superman: Man of Steel (2013) Batman: The Dark Knight (2013) Wonder Woman: Queen of Themyscira (2014) Superman 2: Man of Tomorrow (2015) Aquaman: King of Atlantis (2015) World’s Finest (2016) Batman 2: The Killing Joke (2016) Teen Titans (2016) Wonder Woman 84 (2017) Suicide Squad (2017) Green Arrow (2017) Justice League (2018) Gen 2: Aquaman 2 (2018) Flash (2019) Cyborg (2019) Superman 3 (2019) Batman 3 (2020) Teen Titans 2 (2020) Suicide Squad 2 (2020) World’s Finest: Returns (2021) Deathstroke (2021) Wonder Woman 3 (2021) Green Lantern (2022) Flash 2 (2022) Aquaman 3 (2022) Cyborg 2 (2022) Doctor Fate (2023) Shazam (2023) Justice League: The Legion of Doom (2023) Gen 3: Green Lantern 2 (2024) Flash 3 (2024) Shazam 2 (2025) Doctor Fate 2 (2025) Suicide Squad 3 (2025) Booster Gold (2026) New Gods (2026) Teen Titans 3 (2026) Justice League: Darkseid Rises (2027) Gen 4: Nightwing (2028) Superboy (2028) Kid Flash (2029) Aqualad (2029) Young Justice (2030) Etc.

[@Saulgoodman67677]

I was always thinking of the DCEU finishing off with injustice as the after math of the dark side war

[@Saulgoodman67677]

The Gaming Ghost I know that it isn’t that hard to implement injustice to the DCEU.

[@3Rayfire]

What happened to Batman/Superman: Public Enemies?

[@eligolfs17]

DC rules the show side of comic books, But Marvel dominates the movies. Marvels shows are getting canceled. DC movies are bad

[@apexphotostories3507]

Tbh i like this idea but its too much to ask right now given that the DCEU is on shaking knees rn

[@KanadasKid]

fun fact: nolan said the long halloween served as further inspiration for the dark knight than the killing joke

[@_XR40_]

Makes sense to me. I never saw any particular elements of The Killing Joke in Dark Knight - Not a trace...

[@KanadasKid]

the jokers plan was apparently straight from the killing joke, but instead of driving gordon insane and failing, he drives harvey insane and succeeds

[@_XR40_]

Sorry, can't agree. Both plans involved trying to make someone crazy, but that is the only similarity. _Every other detail_ is different. You might as well say that any movie with the Joker is "straight from" any story with the Joker. (Aside from which, Harvey Dent in Dark Knight is already half-crazy. He's perfectly willing to kill, already using his trick coin to decide such matters even _before_ Rachel is killed and he is disfigured. If you pay attention, he's an unstable character and "driving him insane" isn't a long trip. He's sort of a less well-adjusted version of Batman, if that makes sense.)

[@KanadasKid]

i dont super agree with your analogy but yeah fair

[@quincylee2276]

my god, I know I'm a year late but your analysis articulates exactly how I feel about the entire DC cinematic experience

[@aricente]

Did you just...make me appreciate teen titans go?

[@niceprofile-k6i]

TTG is actually pretty good, if you give it a chance (and selectively skip food-based episodes)

[@lobstermagnetreview]

TTG gets a bit too much hate. I think there's some really smart comedy in it with the Dark DC episode being one of the best. Still can't believe they were able to get away with it.

[@wat2999]

Get away with it? Nobody over the age of 10 likes that garbage. I enjoy comedy shows too. So I am not hating. If something is MEANT to be comedy(Regular Show, Chowder, Spongebob etc) then it works, but forcing good characters to be comedic jokes and farting noises and poop jokes is not funny.

[@thatotherguy8138]

Waffles.

[@MrAte-uo7yo]

I can't recall the episode but I remember there was an episode that kinda poked fun at older Teen Titan fans and their inability to move on. I thought that was pretty funny.

[@chriss1757]

DC has a simple problem. Their heroes are based around their powers. Marvels heroes are based around their personalities. Iron Man is Tony Stark with a super suit, Spider-man is Peter Parker with super powers. The reason Batman works is because he has no powers. They've had to develop Bruce Wayne because he is integral to the character. Batman stories are detective stories with a Zorro-like character as the lead detective. Zorro stories are essentially Robin Hood retold with the titular character changed to a Spanish swordsman. Superman has no real connection to past works. He was created out of whole cloth by two Jewish boys who wanted a character who could solve any problem. His character arc is he's a super powerful alien who does good. That's it, you're done. And this permeates most DC works. Who is the least interesting character in Watchmen? Dr. Manhatan. Literally the only guy with real powers. If DC wants an EU, they are going to have to go back and develop the characters. And that doesn't mean waste time on their childhoods or make them all edgy. Clark Kent is not edgy. He is simply a good guy. And that doesn't mean he has to be a 1950's caricature either. You can develop him as a modern man who always does the right thing. Do that, and we will root for him as Superman.

[@bluesorcerer83]

Of all the comments in this or any other video about why Warner is so incompetent trying to adapt the DC characters in movies or tv series, I tell you: you nailed it perfectly.

[@wienzard93]

I tried to tell this to my DC fans friends they just blocked me out. basically saying I'm Marvel nuts (even though I love batman :/ and want DCEU to work) and Warner Bros is at fault. but really, the core problem is how DCEU wasn't invested in character building. movie-goers loves character development.

[@Tasorius]

Instead he became an idiot who will obey the government and ignore what is truly right and wrong. At least in that one movie.

[@GiacomoSorbi]

Not sure why you felt compelled to remark about the ethnicity of the two "jewish" creators, as it seems rather irrelevant to me, but I disagree on Dr. Manhattan. He has drama and he is conflicted, having a multi-dimensional insight on what happens (or is going to happen) around him. Nite Owl was imho much more flat, kinda of a hard discount version of batman.

[@iikkuowo6735]

i dont think dr manhattan was boring, before he became that he was a normal scientist guy and even as dr manhattan he wasnt boring because in the whole movie he was like you said the only one with real powers, it made him unique in the setting, unlike other dc heroes where literally everyone has super powers, and its not like dr manhattan didnt have a character developed, it was literally the lack of character, the complete apathy that made him good, the other heroes just dont work like that

[@BlueGoblin1]

It is not Nolan's fault. It is WB fault.

[@Maniac742]

It was Nolan's godliness that gave WB a chance. They squandered that chance.

[@RukudoSage69]

@@Maniac742 Nolan is overrated, just saying. ;)

[@Maniac742]

RukudoSage69 And Snyder can't be rated low enough.

[@RukudoSage69]

@@Maniac742 He did alright with his earlier films, but yeah, after three bombs, it's clear he and DC dont mix. Maybe hes just doing what the producers want or something, or maybe it's true and hes out of creative juice like you said. On the bright side, DC has James gunn now, but whether he mixes with DC as well as he did with marvel is another question. Looks like they're going to test him out with the suicide squad sequel. Hopefully he can bring it to ragnarok proportions, but we'll see. One things for certain though, snyder needs to leave..right behind Leto, Caville and Affleck...And the new titans..lols

[@DavidCardonaESM]

You didnt understand the video. He is agreeing with you

[@danyellhenrique]

The fight in Man of Steel that levels Metropolis is such an studio overkill.

[@AmitZinmanVideo]

It also means that whomever wrote that script did not watch other Superman movies, specifically Superman II where confronted with a similar dilemma, Sups wises up and flies away to a place where he would have the higher ground, using his smarts to win the day, showing a growth of character from the not-so-clever person he was in Superman - The Movie (where he won the day in part due to coincidence).

[@wecomingforyoucolbylopez9393]

Thh i would kill for a fight like that in a live action dbz movie

[@JV-yq7dx]

Amit Zinman zack Snyder has the nerve to say that the Superman in man of steel is the same one in the comics and that he didn’t change anything about Superman, that’s just bullshit honestly, Superman should love people more than anything, not have him be some edgy asshole, man of steel makes Superman look like some introverted selfish superhuman with a Superman costume

[@SlimKim3]

That was 1 of if not the only good part in mos

[@lye27]

thats the point of his character, learning how to control his powers. Yet, most of the destruction were caused by the world engine and Zod himself. Try to watch the movie carefully next time

[@RossM3838]

The 1978 superman movie is bright colorful and hilarious. After all they are COMIC books. That movie stands up wonderfully even with its noncomputer effects.

[@dhenderson1810]

Plus Christopher Reeve played Superman as he should be played, as a glorified super-powered boy scout. It was corny, but at least watching those Superman films were fun (though Superman III took it too far with Richard Pryor), not the depressing borefest that was MOS. When I go to the movies, I want to feel happy, not like I want to blow my brains out afterwards.

[@RossM3838]

Reeves Superman is a nice guy who grew up unnoticed in Kansas. He wants only to do the right thing by people. We really like him (and Clark). At one point Reeve goes from Clark to Superman and back to Clark in one long take, no effects at all. He simply changes his posture and facial expression. Its great.

[@dhenderson1810]

About the "nice guy" thing. The best part of Superman III was when Superman became bad, and battled his "good side" Clark Kent in a junkyard.

[@agungandy836]

The Dark Knight trilogy even better than marvel movies, im a marvel fan's.

[@ImAviex]

I mean its definitely a matter of taste. I don't have an affinity for either DC or Marvel but Dark Knight's edgy broody nature gets played out after one rewatch imo, while I could understand that people may have a similar experience to the over abundance of quips and jokes in Marvel movies, for me its not the case.

[@edjaedavid6362]

Nah.. it depends on the taste of a person.. the dark Knight was really good.. but the other two were not really special.. and besides, the wonder woman was really good (except that it was like watching a woman captain America).. dc just suck at making movies..

[@kubashiii]

as much as i love Captain's movies i gotta agree on this !

[@thamir21]

the dark knight had the best story of any superhero movie. One of the best plots in a movie ever.

[@antiochus87]

Nah, it wasn't all that. Batman Begins was good, The Dark Knight was amazing, but The Dark Knight Rises was hilariously bad. Most Marvel movies are a lot better than two of the three.

[@alexlee2581]

The teen titans go reference to titans was hilarious lmao

[@Dante45p]

well it is the best reveiwed DC movie since Wonder Woman

[@TheVladMan.]

Batman Begins and Superman Returns should’ve started the DC Cinematic Universe. Warner Brothers made a mistake not combining the two worlds together. Both movies were one year apart from each other. Both movies were fresh on Rotten Tomatoes with fans and critics. Both movies looked and felt like they could’ve been in the same universe. Both movies brought the two most popular superheroes back on the big screen after a long hiatus. Superman Returns referenced Gotham City. Not to mention, it grossed more money at the box office than Batman Begins whose sequels went on to hit the one billion dollar mark. I Am Legend teased a crossover between them for May 2010. The billboard in Times Square had Bale’s Batman logo and Routh’s Superman logo merged together.

[@manniking233]

Underrated comment.

[@parabellum2o999]

The problem was, that Nolan specifically said, not to join his movies with a universe, also Christain Bale has stated that he will opt make another batman movie unless nolan is the director

[@TheVladMan.]

Mexican Boi - Yeah. If I recall, Bale’s Bruce Wayne was supposed to make a cameo in Superman Returns, hence the Gotham reference, but Nolan turned it down.

[@ketienne1021]

That teen titans bit was hilarious.

[@gulorful8488]

@deenman23 Teen Titans Go!: Season 2, Episode 32 - Let's Get Serious

[@ArcaneAzmadi]

Some people say Teen Titans Go! is absolutely awful with no redeeming features. And yes, it's not the same as the original 2003 animated Teen Titans series that it's based on. But by _god_ it can be bitingly satirical when it wants to be.

[@lugaruclone]

It is somehow the dumbest and smartest superhero cartoon at the same time.

[@Fargoth_Ur]

"...is absolutely awful with _no redeeming features_ " "But by god it can be bitingly satirical when it wants to be." Not to point out the obvious, but wouldn't the latter statement be a redeeming feature?

[@lugaruclone]

I think ArcaneAzmadi is not lumping himself in with the 'some people' who consider it awful and without redeeming features. Like it is hard to talk about the new show without a shout out to the fans of the old show who hate this incarnation, but legit this incarnation has so much to offer.

[@xarporte]

You want to know how I got these scars I was in a better movie than Suicide Squad.

[@androlibre9661]

I think there's a cut to Suicide Squad that is A LOT better than what was re-edited for the screen

[@youpeoplearecrazy374]

Yeah, but even that wouldn't be as good as it could have been.

[@mar10ssj1]

The Joker was hyped to be this BIG FUCKING DEAL. Barely had 10 minutes of screen time.

[@perfectcell5613]

Lmfao l2 Batman

[@speakthefunkup3998]

+Mar10 the 10 minutes he did have was a corny fucking overracting that drug my fave DC character to the ground.

[@Ari-6]

I'm still bitter about the James Gunn thing. The worst part is if he hadn't attracted attention to himself, no one would have cared. Disney doesn't care. But because he drew negative public opinion, Disney dropped him on his ass. Great video man, I lost it at that Teen Titans comparison!

[@lobstermagnetreview]

Glad you liked that bit. I might make a video going in depth about my thoughts on that because I'm furious on a lot of levels because of it. For both sides.

[@tdfern1]

Aaron Parker Man I hope James Gunn can still return and they are just overreacting because of some conservative opinions.

[@tennumb]

Yep. So sad.

[@sedevacante6591]

You're all out of your liberal lunatic leftist progressive minds. Eat a big bag of boiled Shit. Then shove it up your hypocritical asses.

[@jaredcardenas813]

Aaron Parker I hate this narrative that people actually cared about what Gunn had said. It was that dumb alt-right idiot Mike Cernovich who redug that stuff to scared Disney of a backlash that never happened.

[@chidimoseri7563]

I dont understand why DC has better animated movies than live action, but Marvel has better live action than animation. Im confused

[@hydrolito]

Isn't Teen Titan go animated how is that better?

[@C1pher187]

@@hydrolito we take mostly

[@keloid123]

@@hydrolito have you watch Spiderman reboot. No not spiderverse. The Spiderman reboot

[@jamarij5814]

hydrolito we don’t like to talk about that show......

[@jamespaguip5913]

Young justice was good

[@iOnyxApple]

I think the fact that you could tell this entire story without the Nolan story preceding it shows that you should be blaming Snyder for killing it, not Nolan. It's like saying the reason why xbone isn't doing well (compared to ps4 with customer satisfaction) Is because the xbox360 was such an amazing system and so far ahead of ps3. Doesn't make sense to me, just because someone set a bar, it's not their fault that everyone after them failed trying to imitate them. Either set a higer bar or find another one.

[@3Rayfire]

Good analogy...but the Xbox One still has more customer satisfaction than the DCEU.

[@lanaz375]

Totally agree. Also nolan was never responsible for creating a universe, so why would he have taken that into account? He created a trilogy was self contained. Something to consider

[@blackmanwhitesuit]

...but the Xbox one isn't doing well because the Xbox 360 did so well they got comfortable and the PS4 is doing better than the PS3 because of the competitive drive from the PS3 loss. All you can hope is to innovate enough while staying familiar and hope to catch a break.

[@elski5958]

I say this with newer generations. You never want to be first. Ps3 then 360. 360 won. Xbox One then PS4. PS4 won. Granted I think ps4 wins 100% due to their exclusives. God of War and Spiderman kinda just put the nails in the coffin. X1 doesn't really compare in exclusives. Got your shooters like Halo and Gears...but really those are like CoD, they get old after so many.

[@blackmanwhitesuit]

El Ski, didn't PS2 come out before the original Xbox? I think it just comes down to foresight and marketability. How focused on that era of gaming is the console? How long will that console last?

[@Just_Some_Guy_with_a_Mustache]

You dare make fun of our Lord and Savior Zack Snyder? I'll have you know he is brilliant and that it's a crime the Snyder Cut (which totally exists) is being held hostage! If you don't think he's as intellectual and epic as I think he is, _then you just watched his movies wrong!_ Seriously, though. _THANK YOU_ for making that parallel with the Metropolis fight and a DBZ fight. Man of Steel is pretty much just what Dragonball Evolution should've been. _Not_ what Superman should've been, though.

[@chiaoutzu7732]

That film name is forbidden among the DB community 😂😂

[@cloudystarsatnight]

Masterfully spoken

[@Traumglanz]

Snyder is a guy who had taken Watchmen as his super-hero model, instead of an deconstruction of the gerne. He is just that edgy. ;-)

[@cmorris8125]

Just Some Guy with a Mustache Clearly someone is thirty for Snyder “D”! Snyder sacrifices story for visuals. It is the height of arrogance to say those that don’t like Snyder movies aren’t watching them correctly. What a tard.

[@rspy24]

Not what Superman should've been? Are you serious? Did you saw any Superman cartoon? Or a supes comic? Man of Steel is exactly what a Superman movie should be.

[@SamSilk]

I agree 100% with you. Snyder didn't even tried to understand the core of the DC characters he was supposed to adapt on the big screen. A lot of his story in both Man of Steel and Batman vs Superman is based on the assumption that Superman is capable of killing. Nothing could be more wrong. The real superpower of Superman in the comics is to be an pure incarnation of justice and good. He can't kill, period. Not for Lois Lane, not to save his mother, not even to save Earth. He will always find another answer and that should have been the road taken. He's described in the comics as an antithesis of Batman, the latter being more enclined to use any means necessary. From there, even the choice of color grading in Man of Steel is wrong. Superman should've been much more colorful. These characters are archetypes, some scholars compare them to ancient heroes such as Hercules or Ulysses. You can't tell their stories if you don't know what is their fundamental character trait.

[@SamSilk]

@ i agree

[@youngknowledgeseeker]

Exactly! It would have been fine having a Superman or Batman movie where they kill and are extra dark, but NOT in the first movies! First build up the characters, and TRUE to their actual personas, then in sequels, preferably later then sooner, show them going through dark times/character changes/moral conundrums. Did the mcu start off with Ironman fighting captain America for a random dumbfuck reason? Did they start captain America off as a dark brooding mercenary? Imagine starting Peter Parker off as a criminal branding gangbanger who just doesn’t give a fuck or something (roflmao)? DCeu’s not dead just set back in a coma for years. Only a fresh remake will truly save it and bring it the glory it deserves. Start with good origin stories which are going to be even more boring now since we already know them. Tease team ups. Tease heroes knowledge and opinions of each other. Establish their motivations, personal views in the world and m.o.’s. DONT fuck up or waste MAJOR storylines (death of Superman 🤦🏽‍♂️) Showcase what makes us love the characters in terms of their personalities and powers, and hit this hard, dc shows particularly excel here (the hulk, cap, and spidey are marvels excellers in this area). DON’T fuck up or waste major villains (like doomsday smh 🤦🏽‍♂️), and everything I wrote above pretty much applies to villains too. I remember watching the last episode of jlu where Superman reveals just how insanely op and strong he is if he removed all his mental blocks and really knew he could hit someone (darkseid) as hard and fast as he wanted and they wouldn’t die. Super powered fights are always cool, but what made it stick with me for so many years and so amazing is that it was slowly and meticulously built towards. Peaceful by nature Superman slowly showing his real strength, Batman knowing all along what a monster he really is or could be, darkseid constantly pushing him to the edge morally. We all felt invested because it was written well and true to the characters. If Superman had killed darkseid out of necessity in that episode or when he killed dan Turpin it would have been 100x easier to swallow than in man of steel. Batman being dark and super brutal to the point of mindlessly killing because of Jason Todd would have been fine too if properly and patiently executed.

[@lishlash3749]

The problem with Snyder is how he cut his superhero teeth on Watchmen, which was a fatalistic deconstruction of superhero mythology. Once he popped that cherry, he couldn't revert back to a pristine vision of superhero integrity that he'd never experienced in the first place. He's a destroyer of empires, not a builder of universes.

[@WeAreLegion1904]

you know the problem with characters and not killing is? It requires the writer to give the character a choice. There is always some deus ex machina sollution to characters like that. It works quite well with batman these days because batman is an interesting hero overall. He has weaknesses and flaws. Superman does not. I hate snyders batman. It goes against everything batman is because batman had a choice in the killings/murders. It bothers me alot because you can make batman fight brutal without killing. To show a brutal version of batman he just need to break bones. The last fight in BvS was done well except bats would have saved the grenade guys.... I am not sure if the guy he stabbed in the shoulder survived or not. At least he put superman in a no choice scenario. You can argue that superman could do this, that or whatever but I think it was done ok. The only thing in Man of steel I hate is the way Jonathon Kent died. Man of Steel was an enjoyable film but BvS and JL are pure garbage.

[@veritas4733]

@@WeAreLegion1904 Yo also watch: Batman Does Not Kill. Its inspiring af.

[@t0m653]

"It's not about how good your CGI, it"s about telling a good story"

[@hanzohattori9576]

The DCEU killed itself by making terrible movies and no planning and not taking full advantage of what Dark Knight did. The tone of DCEU was fine. Dark and gritty movies sell even today. Even marvel had movies like that. The rush, no character development and the convulated plots were the problem. In fact, DC's serious tone meant more serious stakes that made audience more invested and every loss would have a genuine impact. That's why infinity war was amazing. Ant man 2 after it was not so much But dark tone is not the bread and butter of every hero. Shazam for exampls. Superman too. He lives in a dark world but himself is the ray of hope and sunshine and not an emo edgelord.

[@lanaz375]

Ant-man 2 was pretty alright imo :) but regarding dceu the lack of planning I agree

[@Kal-El207]

Honestly bro you're so right. I agree 100% DC is supposed to be dark. But you see. Way too many people bitched and complained about how the movies were dark and how marvel was more lighthearted and funny so Warner listened which was wrong to do to those retarded idiotic dumb fucks and we got DCEU which was horrible. Except for Man of Steel and Wonder Woman.

[@trylobyte07]

No one asked Warner to copy the Dark Knight for their DC shared universe to compete with Marvel. So the Dark Knight did not kill the DCEU, Warner Bros did with their botched execution. As usual studios take the wrong lessons..."oh, people love dark, let's try to make everything dark!" "Oh, people love humour, let's try to make everything funny!" "Oh, people love the female superhero, let's force more female superheroes!" "Oh, people love the R rating, maybe let's make everything R rated!" No, it all comes down to whether we care/invest in the characters and we have a nice good story.

[@FBI-dr4bk]

trylobyte07 Isn’t that exactly what the guy said in the video?

[@gunchar06]

@ trylobyte07 "Let's force more female heroes""Oh, people love the R rating, maybe let's make everything R rated!" Did i miss something, WW is still the only truly relevant female hero in the DCEU and MCU and there are still barely R rated Superhero movies? They should absolutely have more female and R rated heroes, but that's sadly not the case at all.

[@kzarkage]

You know how fans always debate how Batman can defeat anyone given enough prep time Well ........................ he kinda did here

[@gunchar06]

@ Martin Combes So their plan was to wait for 19 movies and let WB/DC gain all the buzz of having the first truly relevant female superhero movie ever(the only very succesfull thing the DCEU actually accomplished so far), until they make a movie about an in the general public completely unknown characters like Carol? Sounds like an amazing plan...

[@alucard347]

@surfitlive Honestly, with how DC flops so much, I really don't think they care. DC can try as much as it wants, but at this point, the MCU is an invincible juggernaut. As long as marvel keeps on its way, they don't need to care for anything DC pulls out.

[@aviram7129]

The Dark Knight is better than everything the DCEU has put out

[@Moshuun]

Prep time.

[@abhijeetjadhav2961]

Christopher nolan is like God of Movie Industry.... Give him trash, he ll turn it into gold

[@roarblast7332]

Like insomnia.

[@JayGriffinblaze]

@Abhijeet Yes... the god of biting other's ideas.

[@damawsomedan]

Cough *Intersteller

[@JayGriffinblaze]

*cough cough* Interstellar was his brother's script from 2007. He jumped on that bandwagon too.

[@damawsomedan]

JayGriffinblaze thats not really a “biting” example directors usually dont write completely original scripts, my point to the original commentary is that its a failure of a movie and the script is trash which he didnt save

[@samuelmullins758]

the dark knight did not kill the DCEU, DC just could not get as good a director as chris nolan. simple as that

[@benespinoza4384]

Comparing synder to michael bay really hits the nail on the head. The funniest part is that not only does snyder think hes smarter than he really is but so does his "woke" fan base. If you give any sort of reasonable criticism about BvS they all act like your just too "dumb" to understand his very basic story telling. Well done.

[@joesycamore2899]

A bit like Star Wars

[@benespinoza4384]

@@joesycamore2899 haha so true. Which is why i didnt get my panties over TLJ. I walk into every star wars film with the mind set that its a childrens movie.

[@blizzyyt2281]

Ben Espinoza THANK YOU someone has sense

[@jocelyncooper1738]

Ben Espinoza Disney has pretty much killed Star Wars at this point, and they are now busy beating a dead horse. Batman v Superman was just plain garbage, and Snyder needs to humble himself.

[@ReubenModeXXX]

Michael Bay is way more self aware then people give him credit for one of my favorite quotes is him saying "I make movies for teenage boys. What a crime"