How the Ruthenians defended against the Mongols - Medieval DOCUMENTARY

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[@Ukraine40]

The code doesn't work?

[@zvelekva]

Proto Ukranians??? Really??? That's a thing??? Cos I thought at that time they called themselves Russians and were part of the Kievan Rus.XD In fact, didn't the defeat to the Mongols happen under the Rurik dynasty whose last known descendant/ruler was Feodor I of RUSSIA aka Fyodor I Ivanovich, a RUSSIAN czar during the 16th century??? You advertise yourself as a channel presenting historical accounts of significant military events... You're a joke and a blatant propagandist, shame on you. Unsubscribed.

[@eksiarvamus]

Northern Estonia was under Danish rule, not Swedish rule.

[@eksiarvamus]

Also parts of Estonia weren't under Novgorod rule back then.

[@adamradziwill]

FINLAY THE RIGHT TERMINOLOGY ! STILL , WE LITWINS (GDL) who destroyed ulus of juchi

[@adamcseri9548]

It seemed rare for ruler siblings to support each other in history, but Danylo and Vasylko were doing great. Imagine being cut on the chest and not even realizing it 😐

[@adamcseri9548]

By Neo For the Algorithm and Tengri gods!:)

[@aivarasmarcinkevicius]

Also 14th century brother ruling duo of Grand Duchy of Lithuania Kęstutis (father of a Grand Duke of Lithuania Vytautas the Great) in the west and Algirdas (father of Jogaila, King of Poland) in the east.

[@The818carlos]

"How did the Ruthenians defend against the Mongols?" "They didn't....." *loony toon ending theme music*

[@josesoria2072]

Why fight when the option of going with the flow lets them rule and survive? It is always wise to know where and when to fight

[@Autism_Frogthe27th]

Hey, Vladimir tried. They just failed, very, very, hard.

[@annehersey9895]

It's nice to see, for a change, a case where two brothers actually get along and find a way to carry on their father's legacy and lands without killing each other!

[@hfar_in_the_sky]

Pope: "If you convert to Catholicism, we'll provide you with support in the upcoming fight with the Mongols." Danylo: "I don't like it, but I need all the help I can get." Pope: "Oh, actually we can't provide you with anything right now but we'll give you this shiny new crow." Danylo: "...I'm converting back to Orthodoxy." Pope: "What?! You can't do that! We demand you convert back to Catholicism immediately!" Danylo: "What're you going to do? Have that army you promised to help fight the Mongols but all of a sudden can't muster come and attack me instead? Oh wait."

[@MrCasper652]

Ivan Franko, great ukrainian writer, wrote a novel Zakhar Berkut exactly about these events. Translated into English by Theodosia Boresky. Highly recommended!

[@j.d.snyder4466]

Excellent recommendation: beautifully written and translated. Thank you for the title and author.

[@leotka]

Recently new version of Zakhar Berkout was made by Hollywood. This is second movie based on Ivan Franko novel.

[@kaissertsarist]

Did Franko knew that hes ukrainian?

[@scandited2763]

@@kaissertsarist He was literally a member of an organization which was promoting Ukrainian language

[@Kili2807]

Congratulations on 3 million subscribers! You are by far my favorite history channel. Keep up the great work.

[@thomasvandevelde8157]

Thank you for this high-quality content, and the high-quality subtitles for us non-English speakers!

[@paulclifton9488]

Anyone who has played Total War Medieval 1 knows that the Ukrainians/Rus should have built the biggest fortresses possible in Volga-Bulgaria and the Chimera and filled it with a ton of Halberdiers with gold armour and gold weaponry (but not enough to be starved out in a few turns). If they did this the Mongols would have all stood in archery range of the walls and sent units one by one to hit the gates with swords whilst standing under pouring boiling oil until the swords eventually made the portcullis suddenly disappear. Then they would be all killed in turn by the Halberdiers. Just talking from personal experience.

[@TheGeneralGrievous19]

In terms of content this is a great video. 👍 This period in this region of Europe is rarely explored in English-speaking world. But I think using the term Ukrainians is a little anachronistic here. It would also be really interesting to see you covering the struggle for Halych-Volhynia region between Poles, Lithuanians and Hungarians in 14th century and a kind of 'westernization' of the region in subsequent centuries because of Polish influence in Ruthenia. 🦁💙

[@Kwerd]

and why anachronistic?

[@Kwerd]

@@massive1979 like it or not, the concept of "nation" originated with the french revolution. Italians appeared in the 19th century, and it doesn't matter that earlier people were called Genoese, Milanese, and had the same religion, culture, tradition, language

[@michimatsch5862]

@@Kwerd We don't call the Holy Roman Empire Germany either. It just wasn' t that nation yet.

[@andriilink5666]

@@massive1979 What did you mean by "existing as a nation"? Then who were those people living in Ruthenia? They were not ethical Poles, not ethical Lithuanians, not ethical Hungarians, they had their own language and culture, their own state and kings (who's sons married daughters of Hungarian kings). Then who exactly were they? Some aliens? As it is told in the video, the title Ruthenia was only a title of the region - not some ethnical group.

[@tremedar]

@@michimatsch5862 Which would be why calling the inhabitants of the HRE proto-Germans is accurate. They had always been called Germanic, but Germany, the state, no it didn't exist until the Franco-Prussian war came to a close and all the Germanic nations unified into one empire.

[@Tenno_Hirohito]

Wow this was a complete blind spot for me i knew areas close to there but this is a whole new thing for me

[@cornelishenk4569]

It's crazy absolute mind blowing how much fighting took place back in those days. I think they were way more crafty in war and the sword and bow then we can even imagine. Just think of alllll these years of swordmanship.

[@theuniverse5173]

OGs will remember when the video was called how Proto Ukrainians defended against the mongols

[@Kwerd]

and not proto-Ukrainians? then who

[@anarquia201]

@@Kwerd Rus or Ruthenians

[@Kwerd]

@@anarquia201 and who now lives on the territory of the Rus' kingdom and Rus'?

[@anarquia201]

@@Kwerd i suppose that makes the turks the true heirs of rome and Alexander

[@Kwerd]

@@anarquia201 Ukrainians like Turks came to someone's land, or were they still natives?

[@diogosousa868]

K&G.... I like your videos, they are good way to learn history and made me buy several books about many civs/empires/etc. But calling the Kievan Rus as proto-Ukranians... Is way, but way far fetched. That's the same as calling the Lusitanians, a celtiberian tribe, the proto-portuguese. Ruthenians would, at least, have been a better phrasing.

[@Kwerd]

that is, Genoese, Milanese and Bolognese are not Italians? and it turns out that the Italians appeared only in the 19th century?

[@yaldabaoth2]

@@Kwerd Not sure if you are joking but northern Italia was indeed settled by celtic (Romans called them gallic) people. Northern Italy was indeed called provincia gallia cisalpina (Gallia this side of the Alps), then came 600 years Roman rule, then the German Langobard (or Lombards) moved into the area. So, what IS Italian and which one of these people are proto-Italian? Diogo Sousa is absolutely correct that calling Ruthenians from 1000 years ago proto-Ukrainians is absurd and K&G apparently agreed as they changed the title.

[@Kwerd]

@@yaldabaoth2 And where did the Ruthenians disappear then? Some nomads came and took their place, or how?

[@yaldabaoth2]

@@Kwerd Mixed with Kossack, Turkic/mongol (tatar), Turkish, Polish, Lithuanians, Romanians, Russians etc. There weren't many Ruthenians left after the mongols were done (Kyiv destroyed and 95%+ of the population killed) and mostly near the Carpathian mountains. The steppes were empty and dominated by non-ruthenian nomads.

[@diogosousa868]

@@Kwerd you do realize that Ukraine this time had several groups besides the Kievan Rus. Your example of the Genoese and others from the italian peninsula cant really be compared to the Kievan Rus. They weren't proto-italians, they were already italians. That's way i said "Ruthenians", as then we know we're talking about the Rus that would, throughout centuries, become the Ukrainians. The Portuguese were once the same as the Galicians (in Galiza, Spain, both descendents of the inhabitants in the Northwest corner of Iberia), same language, culture and costumes. But through historical events, as the roman conquest of Iberia and the consequent divide of the peninsula with the roman provinces of Lusitania and Gallaecia, and later disputes between aristocratic families, churches and others, the soon to be Portuguese rebelled from Galiza and expanded south. Is somewhat similar with the Kievan Rus... A group that would later split between the Ukranians and Russians (as well the Belarusians... The almost always forgotten brother of the 3).

[@abukafiralalmani]

The proto-Ukrainians called themselves Rus'

[@Streetslogic]

The fact that they completely chose to ignore the obvious makes this video comparable to satire, can't take it serious.. "Proto-Ukrainian" 😭😂

[@Kwerd]

@@Streetslogic what does it manifest itself in?

[@visayanmissnanny2.076]

In case anyone doesn’t know, the name in the title was called “Proto-Ukrainians”; they changed it to “Ruthenians”

[@visayanmissnanny2.076]

@@MercShame He’s talking about the title before K&G changed it.

[@jcheck1107]

@@Streetslogic who cares?

[@_Hasek_]

8:14 You failed to admit that you said in several videos that the Mongols abandoned the campaign in the west because of Ogedei's death. You said the same thing with Möngke's death.

[@adamshaar4960]

Yeah, I really recommend you listen to Dan Carlin’s Wrath of the Khans. Some great stories in there that will help string alot of the mongol timeline together. Cheers!

[@ganizhunis910]

Curumsah successor was a different story. Yeah in south Kazakhstan many villages on his name. Boraldai, Burundai

[@S0ulinth3machin3]

The Battle of the Kolka River is covered but then how do the Battles of Legnica and Mohi not figure into the story?

[@beachboy0505]

Excellent video 📹 We wait for the next part.

[@WorldArchivist]

Welp, we have another set of royal brothers, civil war time! Romanovich brothers: We don't do that here.

[@Sviatoslav_The_Brave]

The oldest recorded mention of the word ukraina dates to the year 1187. In connection with the death of Volodymyr Hlibovych, the ruler of the Principality of Pereyaslavl which was Kyiv's southern shield against the Wild Fields, the Hypatian Codex says "Oukraina groaned for him", ѡ нем же Оукраина много постона (o nem že Oukraina mnogo postona).

[@harleyquinn8202]

В «Сказании ο Довмонте» 3-й Псковской летописи 1271 года говорится о сёлах псковской «ѹкраины»

[@Sviatoslav_The_Brave]

@@harleyquinn8202 Псков це земля України. Скоро всі наші історичні землі будуть деокуповані.

[@Kwerd]

@@harleyquinn8202 как ты считаешь, Москва украинный город?

[@Kwerd]

@@Truspio is not known for certain, there are many versions

[@harleyquinn8202]

@@Kwerd Возможно когда Москва была на окраине Руси. В то время да.

[@brokenbridge6316]

I don't blame the two brothers one bit for bowing down to the Mongols. They would've been destroyed otherwise.

[@robertgianakis763]

I don’t think anyone was describing the people of that area as proto Ukrainians haha

[@Kwerd]

when did the italians originate?

[@Kwerd]

@@forrix6294 when did the italians originate?

[@Kwerd]

@@forrix6294 I wonder if you are a hypocrite or a fool

[@ukrainiansareproto-mesopat9235]

I don't get this comment. That Ruthenians are a large part of Ukrainian ethnos is not disputed.

[@stacey_1111rh]

@@forrix6294 That would be your interpretation and that only. He’s been pretty objective with The Ukraine conflict considering what Russia has done and is still doing to their country. As they say go cope

[@grahamturner1290]

Outstanding video, guys. 👍

[@fulminatus6241]

Proto-Ukrainians? Please tell me that's for the algorithm.

[@Kwerd]

:/

[@jcheck1107]

Who cares?

[@AdamOwenBrowning]

@@jcheck1107 History nerds and pro-Russian mouthbreathers really, really care lol. I can see the argument for both. People think it's "pandering". kinda funny cos "Fulminatus" here has directly *rewarded* the use of "proto-ukrainians" in the algorithm by even caring enough to comment, cos a comment is engagement

[@joao.fenix1473]

@@AdamOwenBrowning IT IS PANDERING. it is obvious, the Rus were people from Novgorod, Moscow, Ryazan, Kiev and many others and like Italy divided in numerous polities but Undeboutly similar even if later they developed a separate identity

[@raritica8409]

for sure, but clickbait is hardly a new thing.

[@materakoczi2519]

Its like calling the english settlers in the new world proto-american, or proto-canadians.

[@Kwerd]

and why is your comparison correct?

[@thadsul]

@@Kwerd because in both cases you are defining people in the past not by what they were, but by what they would be in the future

[@Kwerd]

@@thadsul and what are the changes, except for the name?

[@thadsul]

@@Kwerd if you think there are no changes, only in name, then why do you question the comparison made initially?

[@thadsul]

@@Kwerd I will tell you why: because nationalistic views of History are illogical. Modern cultures are a continuation of past ones, but never identical. We, modern people, are not the same as out ancestors

[@-RONNIE]

Thank you for the video 👊🏻

[@esotericD]

They changed the thumbnail lmao😂😂

[@raritica8409]

The Rus princes were the bravest princes in Europe. It was customary for the Prince to lead the charge at every battle. Im very pleased to hear the great Mongols respected such bravery. Amazing Amazing Amazing!

[@kaissertsarist]

Russian correct in english

[@gazey]

Why is it proto Ukraine instead of Rus lol

[@channel_no_longer_active]

He's getting a check from Ukraine government

[@marieagheorghe8081]

Because russians are the descendens of the mongols who destroy The real Rusia they became white by mixing with The real russians,The ukrainians. No coments

[@Lochamp]

Because Russia is toxic and a joke. Zelensky kicking butt and making the world laugh at Putin in his bunker deep under the Kremlin

[@sircatangry5864]

But its true.

[@gazey]

@@sircatangry5864 it is partly true but we can’t start replacing historical names just because we feel the need to claim other’s achievements. Historical informations must be told by how it was, not how we like it to be by manipulating it.

[@ashokamaurya4478]

Love hearing about people who actually were able to fend off the Mongols (to an extent). It gives me hope.

[@Tenno_Hirohito]

Hey bro its me Nasca (tokyo)

[@alexhyper3331]

Yo!

[@Tenno_Hirohito]

@@alexhyper3331 yo

[@alexhyper3331]

@@Tenno_Hirohito His 10 likes are taking so long😭😭😭

[@Tenno_Hirohito]

@@alexhyper3331 yeah

[@nenenindonu]

Styling the Rus' as Proto-Ukrainians is just too farfetched the equivalent of this would be calling the Franks proto-Belgians or Seljuks proto-Azerbaijanis lol

[@channel_no_longer_active]

He's getting payed my Ukraine government or say this

[@uvw-y8b]

Ахамату Сила

[@Sepfins]

Great examples, but belgians didn't go on to steal the name "franks". Unlike them, tsardom of muscovy decided to rename themselves after the Rus, thus stealing the name to which they have absolutely zero claim. But, as I see, their propaganda actually works on uneducated degens on the internet ;)

[@tremedar]

The Belgae were proto-Belgians, not the Gauls conquered by a Germanic king.

[@Kwerd]

that is, language, traditions, culture, faith, democratic system do not mean that Rusyns are Ukrainians?

[@reybladen3068]

Changing the title and thumbnail was a good decision.

[@robbabcock_]

Fantastic video! I can't wait for the next ones.

[@Mezzogiorno84]

Great video again!

[@valdaniels4078]

I don't understand butthurt reactions in the comments over calling Ruthenians under the king Danylo proto-Ukrainians. Proto-Belarusians were a part of Lithuania back then. Proto-Russians -- part of Golden Horde as Vladimir-Suzdal Duchy. Proto-Ukrainians were a part of Ruthenian Kingdom. Later that Kingdom was annexed into Polish-Luthuanian Commonwealth and Ukrainian identity was formed in the midst of the Poles and Lithuanians. Or you don't understand modern meaning of the prefix "proto"? Nowadays, we have come to understand it as "before", rather than "first". Like, proto-Greeks before the Bronze Age were not Greek and didn't call themselves this way. Yet we call them proto-Greeks in the books.

[@mpbomber1491]

I mean not really a fan of the Russians but proto-Ukrainians really?

[@abukafiralalmani]

It's total cringe. The Romans were also no proto-Italians

[@radec5437]

Yeah me too. I don't know much of the region, but I think its quite far fetch?

[@alekshukhevych2644]

@@radec5437 The RUthenian ethnonym was still common amongst Ukrainians all the way up to the 20th century.

[@alekshukhevych2644]

@@abukafiralalmani The Ruthenian ethnonym was still common amongst Ukrainians all the way up till the 20th century.

[@denkt]

​@alekshukhevych2644 Ruthenians did not include just Ukraine, no need to appropriate history

[@HAVOC-ll4gq]

I think they were called Kievan rus correct if im wrong

[@abukafiralalmani]

Even this is a term created by historians. They called themselves Rus'

[@high4702]

There was no Kyivan Rus, this name was created in 19th century. If you will read chronicles deeply you will see that the word “Rus” was mostly used like ethnonym but not like territory. Mostly by the word “Rus” people mean orthodox people. There was also term “роусьска земля” that means territory of over Dnipro lands, Volyn, Kyiv, Chernihiv, Pereyaslav and Smolensk. Also you will see that people wrote: “I am going from Novhorod to Rus” or “I am going from Suzdal to Rus”

[@tremedar]

I think the Kievan Rus were one part of what could be called proto-Ukrainian. Do NONE of you people criticizing this choice of words understand what proto means?

[@romelnegut2005]

Funny thing, I was playing the exact game that is the sponsor for this episode.

[@Nomadicenjoyer31]

Proto-East Slavs vs Proto-Common Mongols

[@Argacyan]

@@globalterroil3208 You wrote that reply 2h ago according to youtube, so I guess you didn't see the video's original title & thumbnail. That's what people are making fun of

[@truman4853]

Elite adjustment on the title that’s a 4 star general action

[@Nomadicenjoyer31]

I loved Cuman warriors on thumbnail too much❤❤❤

[@arystanbeck914]

There were no Cuman, they were Kipchak

[@arystanbeck914]

@@ChevyChase301 why do you call yourself Karl V. Do you really thing you are a king? Very mature

[@pietersmith9745]

Proto-Ukranians? Lol. Edit: They changed it. Pathetic. Be skeptical of anyone who makes subtle changes in their presentation of history in order for political benefit.

[@Rugged-Mongol]

18:00 - As a Mongol, *Damn my ancestors got around.*

[@apexnext]

Because of this channel I've really started to respect Mongols and that era! Little bit from Ghost of Tsushima too. I actually liked going around and collecting all the mongol items to learn about the culture of the time they came from!

[@mihaiserbu8447]

They were like guns against archers, because of the horse mastery. But this is the eternal conflict between hunter and gatherer!

[@alymerchant7265]

Waiting for Delhi Sultanate video

[@ishudshutup]

Will be interesting to learn about the Korean and Indian conquests, topics with little coverage. One question I hope K&G answers is, why the Koreans didn't get the same treatment as the Song dynasty? Both resisted for decades yet the Song got obliterated and the Koreans got a slap on the wrist and essentially treated as if they had initially surrendered and never resisted.

[@JayFLee1]

Because Kublai Khan was claiming to be Emperor of China, among his other titles. He can accept the King of Korea as a vassal. But the Zhao family who ruled the Song had to go.

[@yongseung3272]

@@JayFLee1 lol then why Kublai Khan didn’t accept his daughters to marry han chinese? Many mongol princesses married korean kings.

[@yongseung3272]

@@JayFLee1 Chinese always have excuses and trying to distort fabricate history.

[@crusaderforchrist8430]

Goryeo was kurgan or son in law country, Mongols saw them as almost familial kin after 30 years of war.

[@jaker8415]

@@JayFLee1 regardless of what they thought about being Chinese or not, their actions were the same everywhere, resist and you get obliterated after defeat. Same across China, Middle East, Eastern Europe, but not Korea. Why?

[@anarquia201]

Calling the Rus proto Ukranians is far fetch kind of calling iberians tribes are proto argetinian proto mexican

[@Kwerd]

your comparison is as incorrect as possible. Russians lived on the territory of Russia, logically? I think so. And let's take a look at the map, where was Rus, and oh wonder, the land where Ukrainians live, probably a coincidence, and it is not written anywhere about the disappearance of the Rusyns, where did the people disappear to?

[@anarquia201]

@@Kwerd i wouldnt call the russ proto rusian also it just not right to asing medieval cultural or etnic groups as proto a modern nation. Modern nation are colection of múltiples grupos and political manouvers and desitions Been this anachronistic is intelectual irresponsible This is a wierd and wrong hill to die on

[@ИванИванов-я9э6ч]

it's also like calling the tribes Mokshan, Erzya, a couple of Mongols and a drunken bear, - Proto-Russian

[@alekshukhevych2644]

@@anarquia201 Proto-Ukrainians are inhabitants of SOuth-Western Rus principalities. That is Kyiv, Chernigov, Halych, Pereyaslav and Volyn Principalities. The people living in these regions spoke a dialect closest to modern Ukrainian and are direct slavic ancestors to Ukrainians. Ukrainians were also called RUthenians till the 20th century. So yes, they are proto-Ukrainians.

[@whyukraine]

#preparetogetschooled

[@shabeenahamed8987]

Pls make a documentary on history of Goa

[@demetres6113]

What is proto-ukrainia? You mean Kievan Rus...

[@high4702]

There was no Kyivan Rus, this name was created in 19th century. If you will read chronicles deeply you will see that the word “Rus” was mostly used like ethnonym but not like territory. Mostly by the word “Rus” people mean orthodox people. There was also term “роусьска земля” that means territory of over Dnipro lands, Volyn, Kyiv, Chernihiv, Pereyaslav and Smolensk. Also you will see that people wrote: “I am going from Novhorod to Rus” or “I am going from Suzdal to Rus”

[@marieagheorghe8081]

Kievan rus=proto ukraine,because russians are the descendens of the mongols who destroy The real Rusia they became white by mixing with The real russians,The ukrainians. NO COMENTS

[@Kwerd]

@@high4702 Smolensk was also not Rus'. "Izѧslavъ da darъі Rostyslavou что 7 ѿ Rouskъіy 8 zemlѣ and ѿ all ц҃рских​​ 9 zemlѣ. and 10 Rostyslavъ da darъі Izѧslavou что ѿ верхнихъ 11 zemlѣ. ѿ Varѧъ ." Chronicle for the year 1148. Translation: "Izyaslav gave gifts to Rostislav from the Rus' land and from all the imperial lands, and Rostislav gave gifts to Izyaslav from the upper lands and the Varangians"

[@demetres6113]

@marieagheorghe8081 "...ἃς Ρωμαῖοι μὲν ἰδόντες ἀῤῥήτου χαρμονῆς ὑπεπλήσθησαν, Σκύθας δὲ δέος ᾕρει, τὸ ἐπιφερόμενον αὐτοῖς ὑγρὸν πῦρ"..."τὸν μετὰ Σφενδοσθλάβον τρίτον παρὰ Ταυροσκύθαις τιμώμενον Σφέγκελον" Book History, written by Leon Diakonos in 990 ac. The Rus are referred as Σκύθες (Scythians) and the Kievan Rus as Ταυροσκύθαις ( Scythians of Tavriki, the Greek name of the area of ukraine.) Can you point me in an actual source that a) says that the Rus are Mongols and b) that the proto-ukranians weren't the Kievan Rus?

[@demetres6113]

@user-cg2tw8pw7j I am a Greek, and I stated what was known at that time. Sima Qian, Chinese historian, describes them as blond and red haired.. so yeah

[@Nomadicenjoyer31]

Weren’t they Cossacks?

[@abukafiralalmani]

They came later in the times of the Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth, the Crimean Khanate and the Tsardom of Russia. It's around 1450 to 1750

[@sircatangry5864]

Cossacks was Borodnik tribes in dnieper in that time.

[@romanscerbak5167]

@@cosmiccosmonaut820 stop reading r*ssian history propaganda.

[@alekshukhevych2644]

@@cosmiccosmonaut820 What growing Russian demographic in Ukraine? What are u even talking about. Cossacks were huge. During the Hetmanate every region of free Ukraine had Cossack battallions.

[@vondondolo1582]

Gotta love the Ruzzian sycophants in comments screaming about a reference to Ukrainians. The hardest cope in history.

[@abukafiralalmani]

No it is the hardest correction in history. Ukraine wasn't used at that time. Neither for the people nor for the state.

[@vondondolo1582]

@@abukafiralalmani The first uses of the term "Ukraine" were in the 12th century to refer to the region, and by the 16th century it was used in official chronicles. By the 20th century terms like "Ruthenian", "Podolian", or "Volhynian" were anachronistic and gave way to "Ukrainian". It was also used to describe the Cossack Hetmanate. It's a perfectly valid historical term to use in reference to an area and the people living there, unless you're a modern-day Russian revisionist with motive to impose the "Little Russian" epithet that wasn't a thing until long after the development of nationalism. Cope harder.

[@denkt]

​@vondondolo1582 It was not used as an ethnonym and meant borderland. No need to push your propaganda

[@Argacyan]

I saw the previous title & thumbnail

[@ElBandito]

Must have been scary for Danilo to see his countrymen fleeing the principality en masse, while returning from a marriage trip.

[@okancanarslan3730]

the disunity of Rus principalities and other eastern European kingdoms even in the threat of Mongol empire is puzzling.

[@nsb8816]

You can call them Ruthenians, Kievan Rus, but Proto-ukrainians? As someone said, there were on dose stepes scithians, jazars, turks, cossaks, tatars, mongols, slavs, nordsmen, even parthians maybe but nothing proto-ukrainian. Unlike the video and unsucribed the channel.

[@abukafiralalmani]

They could called them just Rus. This is very close to the term which they used for themselves in that time.

[@vitalityfarm2396]

They were proto-ukrainian. MOSTLY SAME people as Ukrainian has now.

[@lamole329]

by naming them proto- ukrainians they make a claim those people are ukrainian ancestors and this is pretty much it

[@Kwerd]

@Ivo Palazzo Kievan Rus did not exist, there was Rus, and it was exclusively on the territory of Ukraine, according to ancient chronicles

[@Kwerd]

and the Cossacks are no longer Ukrainians?)))

[@theawesomeman9821]

Defeating the Mongols was no small feet, it took talent.

[@apexnext]

Defeating, and kinda avoiding. 😅

[@nsb8816]

Denounced the video for misinformation

[@gamercatjr.2941]

Liking that big stack of money for propaganda eh?

[@sircatangry5864]

About battle of Kalka river. This battle was devastating not only for Rus princes, but gor mongols too, after this they feared to go on Rus principalities and was easily defeated by Volga Bulgars.

[@migelangeldejesusquinterog4584]

Then.. .. In the second round they almost arrived in the borders of the holy Roman Empire in Just 5 years in campaigns.

[@sircatangry5864]

@@migelangeldejesusquinterog4584 That was in 1241, 1223 and 1241 is 18 year difference btw

[@migelangeldejesusquinterog4584]

​@@sircatangry5864 The worst loss in kalkan River is the death of jebe: one of the dogs of war from gingghis.

[@kartikmalasiya6509]

Hey! Can you make some videos related to Indian military History? It definitely has a lot of content. You can also cover recent military history as well[1950-2000]. Great work on the Pacfic War series btw.

[@Lochamp]

Pay him and he may

[@akiogood4712]

here's the indian military history: getting smashed by Afghans, Turkics, British, Portuguese. india being ruled by foreigners for the last 2200 years, until the british empire establishes to official states called pakistan and india, and allows them to have independent states. is there anything more to Indian history?

[@kartikmalasiya6509]

@@cuzimmoody6470 I don't think that's true. India was invaded a lot but control of territory and power remained in hands of indigenous indian kings. Except during the British raj. Our recent history is much better Fought 5 Won 4 Lost 1.🙂. Do read about Ashoka, Shivaji, etc if you want to.

[@silentbyte196]

@@kartikmalasiya6509 I prefer reading about Ghaznavi, Babur, Aurangzeb & Durrani, but to each his own.

[@radec5437]

It would be interesting a video about ancient Indian warfare. Like, how different was from the Macedonian style, what gave this changes etc

[@DenysKorolchuk---Heller]

Very good historical video, like abd subscribe!

[@abukafiralalmani]

We have won! The proto-Ukrainians in the title became Ruthenians which was the Latin term for the Rus'

[@theguysal7191]

proto-Ukrainians?

[@Kwerd]

Ukrainians

[@theguysal7191]

@@Kwerd Well Ruthenians sounds more historically correct.

[@alfrancisbuada2591]

Do the Filipino-American War next!

[@napoleonibonaparte7198]

In a different place, the brothers would start a civil war.

[@mtsmts1923]

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[@johnbooth5297]

Why don't you ask Russia for help?? 🤔 I don't think the US should help Turkey until they give up there S-400 systems and accept Sweden into NATO and Syria under Assad should be left to their fate see how quick their Russian overlords come...

[@mtsmts1923]

@@johnbooth5297 what a bad heart, what a miserable mind... Shame, shame on you... There is a massive tragedy but you just talking about politics? You are not a human John

[@johnbooth5297]

@@mtsmts1923 don't bite the hand that feeds and expect nothing your nations actions have consequences...

[@mtsmts1923]

@@johnbooth5297 hope you taste same tragedy

[@raritica8409]

I will pray tonight for you guys. And John I will pray for your heart to soften up. We all need help sometimes, we are all humans sharing an earth

[@Light_spot_]

After the fall of the Sassanids ( who fought off the Khazarians during their entire existence) Khazarians became a headache for the Rus people around the Caspian sea . Interestingly the " Rus vikings" were the ones who destroyed the khazar khaganat once and for all .

[@Technocratos90]

Actually Khazars were very advanced nation, with pretty well developed trade. The city of Sarkel was big and flourishing city, before Rus razed it to the ground.

[@Light_spot_]

@Technocratos That's not what their neighbors believed,.... in fact ,they were considered so " uncivilized ", that th Sassanid Persians built the Derbent Fortifications at the northwestern Caucasian borders of Persia just in order to prevent them from plundering the villiges , ....The Russ Vikings had same problems with the khazars at their mutual southern borders . They were causing same troubles for the Arab Islamic khalifat that replaced the Sassanid empire . We even have Roman reports of how khazarian influential people caused corruption in the Roman/ Catholic church.

[@gazey]

Are we going to start calling the Roman Empire, proto Italy or British empire proto usa now? What a joke

[@abukafiralalmani]

The Anglosaxons are proto-USA 😂

[@Kwerd]

how can you even compare colonists and natives? you must be joking

[@gospaironija2762]

@@Kwerd colonist build America

[@andriilink5666]

Medieval England is proto-Britain. Is it not?

[@gazey]

@@andriilink5666 that’s the only one that works if we’re using the proto instead of their ACTUAL NAME because the King Charles is a descendant of William the conqueror which started medieval England

[@giorgiociaravolol1998]

How ruthenians fought the mongols: They submitted

[@chrissteer1591]

I love this channel 💙

[@syn_ukraiiny]

Thank you for showing true history of Ukraine! Do not react on ruzzian xenophobic coments and historical kremlin's lie in comments down here. Some suggestions first vocal "y" in "Kyiv" is sound like in Danylo name. Chernihiv, not Chernigov. Thank you!

[@Argacyan]

5:30 I noticed a sliver of lighter coloured green at Kerch on this map. What's the context for that?

[@KingsandGenerals]

A mistake :-)

[@f-man3274]

Lol, Rus is also proto-Russian and proto-Belarus. The correct title is "How proto-East Slavs didn't defend themselves against the mongols"!

[@channel_no_longer_active]

@@elendi_l cope

[@marieagheorghe8081]

Because russians are the descendens of the mongols who destroy The real Rusia they became white by mixing with The real russians,The ukrainians. No coments

[@asterite3718]

lol, how Galicia-Volhynia is proto-Russian and proto-Belarusian?

[@viscountwilliammelbry6147]

The Kievan Rus are Ruthenians as much as the Principalities of Novgorod, Chernigov, Smolensk, Vladimir-Suzdal, Pereyaslavl, Polotsk, Galicia-Volhynia, Murom-Razan, Turov and later Tver, Moscow, etc. Ukrainians on the other hand are a mix of both Ruthenian Ancestory and that of Scythians, Sarmatians, Khazars, Polovtsy (Cumans), Tatars, Circassians and several other cultures who inhabited the Pontic-Caspian Steppe, south of Kiev. Areas controlled by the Grand Duchy of Lithuania after driving out the Mongols of the Golden Horde before being conquered again by Moscow from Poland-Lithuania. How can you still call yourselves historians after blatantly rewriting history and applying this pseudo terminology. You should be charged for spreading misinformation, it's a disgrace. There are many things I myself would do for money but compromising my integrity is not one of them.

[@gazey]

This is everything I wanted to say or have been trying to

[@fungunsun1]

Ukrainians are not a mix. By that logic every nation is a mix. Ukrainians are at least 80% of rus blood with some mix ins which is the case for every nation. You make it sound like ruthenians were only a small part of modern ukraine ancestry when in reality its an overwhelming majority.

[@viscountwilliammelbry6147]

@@fungunsun1 First, Mixed Cultures is exactly the logic behind why you do not toy around with non-existent terms like "proto-ukrainian". Composition is everything and misinformation is dangerous. Second, do not take my words out of context, I stated the impartial, cold, hard facts as they are. The Ruthenian Ancestory is just as important as that of the Pontic-Caspian Steppe cultures. I did not make it "sound like" anything, you should be very careful with your own rhetoric.

[@Kwerd]

@@viscountwilliammelbry6147 ahahahahahaha

[@alekshukhevych2644]

@@viscountwilliammelbry6147 Correction, Ukrainians ARE Ruthenians. That was our ethnonym till the 20th century. We are Slavs mixed with Scythians and others.

[@matthewmann8969]

Good,

[@neutralfellow9736]

superb stuffia

[@Technocratos90]

There a lot of inaccurate information in this video. For example, Battle of Kalka river wasn't just between Halych-Volynia principality and Mongols. There were much more knyaz of other Rus principalities, who participated in battle. For example, the head of Rus coalition was Mstislav the Old, who was slain in battle.

[@JackSndAceS]

😂 proto-Ukrainians? some say it was Elenskys great great grandfather among them.

[@Lochamp]

Some say Putin is still hiding in his bunker behind his long table wondering why human wave attacks aren't working.

[@sudarshangopinathan5904]

"Proto Ukrainians" how weasel can you get kings and generals. Pathetic

[@channel_no_longer_active]

He's definitely getting personally payed by Elensky

[@abukafiralalmani]

They called themselves Rus. Distorting history isn't a help for Ukraine.

[@EMillerphotography]

@@abukafiralalmani why do you keep parroting this like tens of times? Show us a historic document, where whole modern Part of Ukraine called themselves Rus?

[@abukafiralalmani]

@@EMillerphotography Look after the title of the King of Galicia in Lviv. "King of the Rus' " in Western Ukraine. Look how Ukrainians called their language before the 17th century. It was "руська мова" (Language of the Rus')

[@abukafiralalmani]

@@superpower21 I have never stated that

[@patatras2483]

Sad reminder than the actual "Darwin arch" in Galapagos islands displayed in the game sponsoredcollapsed a few years ago... a sight that will be missed.

[@magnaig]

Not Proto-Ukrainian but Rus or Ancient Rus 🤦🏻‍♂️.

[@marieagheorghe8081]

They were that,because russians are the descendens of the mongols who destroy The real Rusia they became white by mixing with The real russians,The ukrainians.

[@tarmynastyr]

Same sh*t. All synonyms.

[@ShahanshahShahin]

K&G is now 3M strong 💪🏻

[@apexnext]

And growing! 😁👍

[@lerneanlion]

If the Mongols already conquered the lands, the only way to defeat them is to wait for the Mongols' authority to becoming more corrupted and weaker to the point of it is impossible for the Khan to control anything. And then, struck them as fast as lightning and as hard as a boulder.

[@тлхит]

Ukraine is Rus'. Even before the 19th century, Ukrainians still called themselves Ruthenians or Rus'. the country that is now called "Russia" is Muscovian Tsardom , which was renamed "Russia" by Tsar Peter I in 1720 in order to steal the history of the Rus in this way, to which these wild Finno-Ugric people have nothing to do (at most, as a colony of the Rus in the Middle Ages that paid tribute to Kiev ). that's all. but it's hard for Europeans to understand because they confuse the concepts of RUS and RUSSIA, thinking that they are one and the same.

[@raritica8409]

If that were the case, would Tsar Peter name the land Finland or Urgic? I find it hard to swallow my friend. Peter as I know had wars against the Finnish, why would he attack his "Finnish homeland" why would his subjects speak a Slavic tongue? Did Peter go about educating the Fins and Ugric populations in Moscovia a new tongue? As you know Peter had a German pedigree backround as many dynasties do even to this day. Do you think Prussia attempted to steal the Rus name? And who was Rurik to you? And what is your position on the people of Finland today?

[@ayhanfedai5013]

sounds more like an uneasy cooporation and partnership than defence

[@FaeMarx]

This used to be a good channel, sadly it decided to go full propaganda.

[@mitchell4431]

Propaganda for who

[@HarbingerOfANewAge]

@@mitchell4431for the docile western sheep that watch their videos.

[@marieagheorghe8081]

They were that proto-ukrainians,because russians are the descendens of the mongols who destroy The real Rusia they became white by mixing with The real russians,The ukrainians. NO COMENTS

[@Streetslogic]

Thanks for reading the minds of the majority.

[@gazey]

@@mitchell4431 not really propaganda but it shows that this channel is not neutral. Everything he says should be thought of carefully since it is a biased view

[@tamatoa7477]

there is no such a thing as proto-ukrainians

[@abukafiralalmani]

But there was a thing called the Rus'

[@tamatoa7477]

@@abukafiralalmani exactly, not Proto-ukraine, but the Rus'

[@marieagheorghe8081]

They were that,because russians are the descendens of the mongols who destroy The real Rusia they became white by mixing with The real russians,The ukrainians. No coments

[@asterite3718]

@@tamatoa7477 do you know the meaning of the term 'proto'?

[@tamatoa7477]

@@asterite3718 i know

[@tktilk3878]

Nice one about early Ukraine!!! Thank you K&G!!!

[@TCrag]

The adds are particularly abrasive in this channel. Otherwise decent content.

[@migelangeldejesusquinterog4584]

What about central Asia defended againts the mongols (the first invasion)?

[@kiton1890]

thank you very much from Kyiv

[@the_feedle]

So many triggered russian bots in the comments

[@gazey]

Calling everyone who disagrees with you a Russian bot must be so sad. Looks like there are 10x more ‘Russian bots’ than normal people here. Better run away before the bots eat you

[@davidogundipe808]

Aren't the Kievan Rus the ancestors of Russia and later on Ukraine?

[@channel_no_longer_active]

@Fresh Russian Meat how's the Bakhmut meatgrinder going?

[@Perceval777]

Yes, they are. There was no distinction between Russians and Ukrainians then.

[@gazey]

Belarus, Russia and Ukraine

[@тлхит]

Ukraine. russia ancestor of golden horde.

[@marieagheorghe8081]

Because russians are the descendens of the mongols who destroy The real Rusia they became white by mixing with The real russians,The ukrainians.

[@lukaswarkus677]

Thx

[@danb9460]

Seeing one of the brothers portraits all I see is Liam neeson.

[@milanfrancis4385]

Proto Ukrainians? Really lol

[@milanfrancis4385]

@Fresh Russian Meat It's not even about that buddy

[@marieagheorghe8081]

Because russians are the descendens of the mongols who destroy The real Rusia they became white by mixing with The real russians,The ukrainians.

[@Kwerd]

what is your "lol"?

[@MicaiahBaron]

I don't get the joke, other than your comment.

[@aniruddhsathe2420]

Heyy can anyone help me like i have to see all the 770 videos of this channel so how should i proceed watch as uploaded from start to now or as playlist like all series

[@Perceval777]

Proto-Ukranians? Is this some kind of joke?

[@marieagheorghe8081]

They were that proto-ukrainians,because russians are the descendens of the mongols who destroy The real Rusia they became white by mixing with The real russians,The ukrainians. NO COMENTS

[@akiogood4712]

that's the inner biase of this channel

[@Kwerd]

Russian moment

[@ПавлоСлободенюк-б5к]

Ukraine is a Rus, or Ruthenia!🇺🇦 But not Moskovia, which didn't have anything in common with Rus🇷🇺🧟💯 Slava Rusi-Ukraini!🇺🇦🔥

[@davidmason4244]

@@akiogood4712 yeah it does seem they have that bias, because of muh ukraine.

[@AdityaSingh-bi6fu]

Hello bro pls make on Karkota dynasty