How To Avoid The Big Mistakes | Drift Suspension Alignment Tips

What are some of the biggest mistakes those starting out in drifting make when it comes to suspension setup?
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Explanations on caster angles, Ackerman, toe and comparisons between circuit racing and drift setups are discussed in this interview with Mike Squire of Squire Motorsport and Custom.
Mike explains some of the traps people fall into who are starting out or have come from a circuit racing background including the importance of managing tyre temperates to retain the grip that is now required to be competitive at the levels the sport has now reached.
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TIME STAMPS:
0:00 - Alignment Matters All. The. Time.
0:17 - Drift Setup Is A Little Unique
0:38 - Mike Squire
0:47 - Circuit vs Drift Alignment Setup
2:25 - Steering Lock Modifications
3:59 - Caster Angles For Drifting
5:30 - Self Correcting 'Self Steer'
6:40 - Ackermann Steering Geometry
9:15 - Keep It Simple
10:12 - Toe Setup
12:40 - This Is General Info, Your Need To Dial In YOUR Setup
13:00 - Heat vs Grip vs Toe
14:13 - Hit Links, Learn More, Drive Sideways, ?, Profit
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[@JulianFoley]

These tech conversations are brilliant. Very absorbing.

[@TML34]

I think Andre’s going to need a whiteboard for these discussions. 😂

[@jt.124]

thank god for someone talking about low caster for once. I like lower caster after trying 7+ yet everyone runs 7+ in my area because thats what the next guy does! Good set up advice here.

[@DirtySlapper99]

I have found my setup has evolved to trying to eliminate camber as I seem to like the tire tipping onto the outside edge dragin the nose. Very counter intuitive and a lesson in drift.

[@gordowg1wg145]

Very interesting. The same basic principles apply for rallying.

[@sircefiro]

Awesome, more tyre and suspension info is always good

[@needmoreboost6369]

It’s the sketchiest feeling the first time driving with rear toe out! but in the right chassis it can be a lot of fun!

[@mrsam5350]

Thanks, this would be great as a more in depth video 👍

[@4G12]

One thing that complicates optimization of Ackerman % is the fact that optimum slip angle actually varies with tyre load.

[@KarlKristianMoeng]

"the car almost has no dish on the front, it offsets right out". What does this mean? Dish?

[@spinksy9]

Dish is another term for the lip of the wheel before the centre.

[@jacknickolstine3355]

Caster is best explained by the cruise bike vrs a shopping cart

[@samchristian665]

Andre is very ambitious for trying to get some facts on drift car alignment 😅

[@hpa101]

Mike knows his stuff even if it's out of his day to day to stick a camera in his face and be grilled on it all haha - Taz

[@daveyclarke]

Re upload?

[@hpa101]

Yes this one is from RC - Taz.

[@daveyclarke]

@@hpa101 please do more drift content! It’s a lot more technical than a lot of people think 😊

[@hpa101]

We'll try, the only event we make it to where there is some drifting is usually Time Attack which is pretty flat out. Would be cool if we're able to hit and FD round one day in the future, remembering we don't actually get paid to go to any of these places so we try to hit the ones that will give us the most footage in a short span of time - Taz.

[@daveyclarke]

@@hpa101 definitely understand and appreciate everything you guys do ❤️

[@HPMvdBerg]

I wonder why there is no fully adjustable camber caster toe etc. - while moving. We need some actual invention, even the best geometry now is far from optimal.

[@konradgeorgeson]

Reminds me of Mercedes F1 car of a few years ago - the driver was able to change toe settings on the fly by pushing or pulling the steering column. Zero toe on the straights for less drag, lots of toe out on the corners for spicy turn in. It’s a cool technology that I hope trickles down into road cars.

[@4G12]

@@konradgeorgeson For road car use, all that real time toe adjustment needs to be fully automated and well calibrated to be truly practical.

[@jacknickolstine3355]

Some manufacturers put in automatic toe adjuster with vehicles with automatic ride hight systems. I'm dyslexic but I'm pretty sure toe changes camber, haven't had to do many alignment jobs, we send them to our lube techs because they have the alignment rack.

[@SaddMCB]

I don't doubt the guest knows what he's talking about, but he doesn't know how to present it at all. Drifting alignment deserves another video, because this wasn't particularly good.

[@hpa101]

Mike knows his stuff but it's a bit out of his day to day to stick a camera in his face and be grilled on it all. While not every answer goes into the detail we get used to with Andre and some other guests, there is still some value here and yes it is a topic we will discuss again in the future given the opportunity. Nothing has been struck off our list when it comes to topics, it all comes down to who wants to talk to us at what events and what we're both interested in discussing together - Taz

[@Kumonte]

if you listen carefully - there's actually no information in this one . I understand this is not "Academy" fault , just not every video that was filmed has to leave , as they say, cutting flour ...

[@zactrimble4343]

that's because you can have a 100 different combos and make them work it all ends up to how you want the car to drive the way you drive your car

[@Kumonte]

@@zactrimble4343 not egzactly, there's already a well enough known settings that work well for 90 percent drivers , the variations from those numbers are very small . Thats talking about the front ( acerman included ) , rear is more difficult on multilink set up. In terms of geometry ,in competitive drifting , although there's still experimentations happening , a starting point is well defined. Chelsea Denofa in one of his videos describe very well. The difficult part is to get that last few percents of feal and grip ( driver friendliness if you will ) where dampers and sway bars come in to play... But that was not the scope of this video. P.s. Wisefab is Estonian brand made in Estonia. P.p.s on the video - in drifting rear tires are always past optimal slip angles , so huge toe numbers still have an effect

[@zactrimble4343]

Brother you clearly never played with different setups your telling me the old mates mustang or s13 settings are going to transfer across cars with completely different geometry and that you need a wisefab with adjustable Ackerman to complete you need to go out and try shit for yourself there is a lot more then an Ackerman toe and caster that determines how a car goes round a corner. Have fun dialling in your rear toe and camber on a live axel or any non multi link / double wishbone rear suspension

[@TenguDrift]

Being polite but this guy doesn't have much specific drift alignment knowledge... a lot of talking, not much said 😊

[@terrorlab66]

like pulling rooster teeth