How To Dial in Espresso Shots Featuring Ceado Grinders

Marc and Todd from Whole Latte Love show how to adjust espresso grind size to produce the best espresso. Also, a comparison of Ceado’s value-priced, prosumer level grinders, the E5P, E6P, and E6X.
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[@jrgenelfstedt956]

Marc, you need to dial in your mic :)

[@Wholelattelovepage]

My passion was amplified by a bad setting in a software mixer.

[@staticclay]

lol ,too much gain. content still great as always sir

[@azak6834]

Jørgen Elfstedt ,Thank you both of you.

[@cigarnationwarriors3981]

Hi, Marc. Just received my Ceado E6P - kudos and thanks to Mark Jackson for taking good care of this disabled veteran. Still fine tuning my dial-in but I’ve caught myself talking out loud because I’m making the best tasting cappuccinos ever! What a dream coffee grinder. I’m in Coffee Nirvana. Hope you’re well. Bill

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi William, I will pass along your comment to Mr. J. He's a great guy! Happy to hear your are loving the E6P it's a very "fine" grinder and a true value for the price! Doing well so far. Hope you are too! Marc

[@The72Rabbit]

Wow! This video is now my favorite WLL video. I just got my Ceado E37S & ECM Synchronika and one thing missing in this video is that this is just one of many techniques in grinding & extracting beans. In other videos, you had a technique focused on single dosing and controlling the grind by amount of beans on a rattleware to a scaler Before grinding. I like this technique a lot because of the flexibility to interchange beans on the E37S on the fly, no bean hopper. I don't even need the timer on the E37S. I run the e37s on manual mode after dropping 18 grams of beans. I know I may need to clean out a few ounces of grinds to zero in the flavor without getting mixed bean flavor and adjusting the grind may still be necessary due to the personality of the type of bean. This is the road I am taking and eventually I will have a different types of coffee beans from around the world but hope to find brands that would minimize grind adjustments, yet preserving the beans unique flavor. Grinding and extracting beans is an Art but once choosing the technique of preference can lead to awesome shots in a short period of time. One thing I like is having a good grinder and espresso machine. It's fun to Grind, extract and froth, making the perfect coffee for different tastebuds at the spur of the moment. Hmmm ... Could this be called dialing in Personal preferences???? Lol. Thank you Mark and Todd for your video presentations. I could not have found a technique I like without evaluating a majority of your videos in order to find one I like.

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi 72, Thanks for the detailed comment! A lot of espresso heads are moving to single dosing - not for everyone and can be challenging depending on grinder used. E37S is low retention so very workable. Grinding is an art - and the most important variable after the bean! Marc

[@pilotguy13]

Awesome. I just bought the E37S and was wondering about that. I mix and match my beans, caffeine content etc. daily.. so was concerned about the hopper. Would be cool to 3D print a mini hopper that fit but was enough for a dose or 2.

[@peachbat3228]

RIP my ears

[@Daniel-jz7uf]

Hi, good video. Watchable with sound turned minimal - not big deal. Thank you. Question about dialing the grinder. You guys prefer to dial with shot glasses, but would it be more accurate do it with scale? The amount/variability of crema make it sometimes hard to dial the grinder.

[@pilotguy13]

EXACTLY!

[@edelweys]

Pretty tough crowd with the sound criticism. Info value by far outweighs that little inconsistency. What model ECM machine is this? Sorry if you mentioned it and I missed it. I noticed that the PID display switched briefly to brewhead temp (from steam temp) just before pulling the shot. Will a Technika V do this, or is this only a feature on double boiler machines?

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi AR, Thanks for the comment. Only the ECM/Proitec dual boiler machines do the switching of brew boiler and service boiler temps. Machine in the video is the ECM Synchronika: www.wholelattelove.com/products/ecm-synchronika-dual-boiler-espresso-machine Marc

[@williamfeeney2743]

I'm getting my Ceado E5P delivered today. What was the initial setting you started out at? 2 notches coarser than 7?

[@Wholelattelovepage]

HI William, Thanks for the question. Your grind setting will depend on weight of coffee dose, coffee variety and to a lesser extent your tamping pressure and brew temperature. The numbers on the adjustment collar are more for reference. With the variables involved can't really say the setting we used will be proper for you. Also, with a new grinder there is a break in period. A Kg or so before it settles into being consistent. My advice: Start with your grinder set at about a 1/3 of a turn to coarse from the point where you here the burrs just touching when the grinder is running without any beans in it. Don't worry, it's okay to let the burrs touch slightly. The actual cutting surfaces of the burrs are not contacting each other when you hear that sound. So, hear the sound of the touch and back off about 1/3 turn to the coarse side. Grind and dose your PF with 16-18g. Pull a shot and time from first drip. You're looking to get 2oz/60ml in 20-30 seconds. If coming faster, adjust a 1/2 notch finer. If to slow (or not at all) adjust 1/2 a notch coarser and try again. After making an adjustment run about 5g off coffee out and discard prior to filling the PF. Be sure to use the same weight of coffee for each dose and the same tamping pressure. If you shot is coming super fast or not at all you can make a slightly larger grind size adjustment between shots. Hope this helps and congrats on your new grinder!

[@williamfeeney2743]

Getting my Profitec 500 Pro today also with my Ceado. A little off topic, but if I make the water like Mark's video will that work well with the BWT drop in filter?

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi William, It will work, but will be a little redundant as my water recipe has no chlorine and is relatively soft.

[@Population4Official]

I love my Profitec Pro 500 with my ceado grinder as well! It's a big step up in your coffee game!

[@williamfeeney2743]

A challenge to dial in the grind, but I'm getting there. Now frothing is another matter entirely :-( will take some time and gallons I think. Never done it before

[@williamfeeney2743]

A challenge to dial in the grind, but I'm getting there. Now frothing is another matter entirely :-( will take some time and gallons I think. Never done it before

[@von9350]

Hey I just had the ceado e5p, I’m wondering .. should i turn the pulse on while turning the collar to finer ?

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hey Von, It's usually okay to make very small adjustments finer without the grinder running. If making big adjustments finer then grinder should be running or free of beans. Hope that helps! Marc

[@von9350]

@@Wholelattelovepage THANK YOU ❤️

[@RXAR1234]

Espresso: Best therapy for OCD disorder...LOL!!!

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi Roel, agree with that - so may variables to play with!

[@a.b.5757]

what basket do you use here?

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi AB, Thanks for the question. Video was done awhile ago but almost 100% certain it's the stock double basket which came with the machine. Marc

[@ch-ux2co]

Guys, in this video you adjust the grind setting without running the grinder free of coffee, as Ceado recommends in its manuals. What's up w that? Is it okay to adjust the grind setting without turning on the grinder???

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi Chris, Thanks for the question. It's best to have grinder running when adjusting to significantly finer grind. Usually okay to make a small adjustment to finer setting. Always okay to adjust to a coarser setting without the grinder running. When adjusting finer the risk is crushing partially ground beans between the burrs and creating a situation where grinder does not have enough power to start. If you ever start a grind cycle and the burrs do not spin stop the cycle immediately. Marc

[@fabianelmers8641]

Mark your mic is killing me, audio levels blown out. Noticed it in other videos as well

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi FE, Sorry about that had. We had an issue with a software mixer downstream of a hardware mixer. Fixed about 5 minutes in.

[@bondicraig37]

Gosh that mic level makes this unwatchable, I really wanted to watch this.

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi Craig, Our apologies for the mic level issue at the start. It resolves about 5 minutes in.

[@HigherPlanes]

Hire a new sound guy

[@Argyll9846]

The mic was so distorting that I couldn't watch more than a couple of minutes of this.

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi Nicholas, Sorry about that. We did have a technical problem during first few minutes with one mic. It was corrected a few minutes in.

[@WasimBarri]

Your sound levels are terrible

[@Wholelattelovepage]

You are correct sir - resolved the issue a few minutes in.

[@MrBillblake123]

Get the volume right.

[@aamannadal7419]

First and foremost,check your mics,then start rollin...

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi AN, With you on that! Mics were checked. Between FAX check and live start a fader got tweeked in a software sound mixer that's downstream of our main analog mixer resulting in clipping levels. At this level of production we don't have a dedicated/experienced A1.

[@joepp379]

This show needs some Chicks! lol! You guys are great though, don't get me wrong! ;)

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi JP, Thanks for the comment. Sarah is bummed you did not notice her in the show!

[@joepp379]

I just saw her! Yay! Hi Sara. They need to keep you on as a co-host! ;)

[@doomsday773]

Horrible audio quality. Gave up after 3mins.😡

[@Wholelattelovepage]

HI DD, Our apologies. Resolved the tech issue about 5 minutes in.

[@FlyingSi]

Stop shouting!

[@Wholelattelovepage]

We pulled the faders back!