How To EVADE Radar Missiles In War Thunder | War Thunder

[@fixit9844]

A lot of people seem to not realize that if the missile’s speed/energy has been mostly bled, and you’re already notching, you should be able to just turn and burn, run away and re engage when you’ve gotten enough distance. What I do usually is crank left/right 90 degrees, then dive, and turn 180 from the missile, and burn. Obviously you should be doing evasive maneuvers as well, but as long as you keep your speed above Mach 1, you should be fine. This tactic is so efficient I tend to use it in even DCS

[@theimpassibile96]

You mean that afternoon going 90deg left/right you proceed to put the missile on your 6 and energy defeat it?

[@yongli8276]

@@theimpassibile96 you also have to dive

[@rags417]

Easy to estimate 90 degrees too - just look at your RWR and notch 90 and the lock should break.

[@braedynhoward3644]

That's a very good strategy, thanks

[@lxgple]

What if ur in an f104 lol

[@GMan33195]

Great video man, thanks for you and Philip taking the time to demonstrate this in a custom game. That high speed spiral roll has definitely saved me from being fox 1'ed.

[@rotoface5469]

The R24 has a huge proximity distance so if it even gets close then say goodbye to your SL

[@yummyzerg]

Like throwing a telephone pole.

[@cristobalalvarez5491]

Which it never had in real life

[@Bandit4557]

@@cristobalalvarez5491 If you are gonna post shit like this, then type out why instead of just saying useless info.

[@blackairforceone]

welp... all i can say that for me all R23s,24s,27s love my flares and chaff

[@-Benito_Swagolini-]

@@blackairforceoneuse the r27er they are really hard to counter and normally get you a kill

[@Joey_Avocado]

Head to head in my SU-22 will be more fun now. Thanks for the tutorial. Its players like yourself that make this community strong and a joy to be apart of

[@SeekerHead]

what a nice comment 🥺

[@Boris_The_Turtle]

Pre-chaffing is a great tip and one I use all the time. Im not sure if 90 degree chaffing works on non PD radars but you don't need the chaff for PD radars even at higher alts (People don't switch radar modes to regular search and track high alts for some reason). After doing some research I learned why Sparrows ignore chaff after launch, apparently the missile has rearpointing waveguides that compare the initial radar illumination to all other radar reflections to avoid chaff. Great video overall !!!

[@SeekerHead]

it’s not bugged, working as intended. Sparrows and R24s are smart enough to tell there’s chaff via CW Illumination, unless it’s a 90 degree chaff.

[@Boris_The_Turtle]

@@SeekerHead Yeah I just edited because I learnt why the sparrows and R24 do that. I personally don't reccomend 90-degree chaffing, I prefer diving while being 90 degrees; the reason is so you can tell how well you are notching by seeing if the radar lost lock on RWR.

[@kommandantkillcode]

@@SeekerHead Can R-24Ts filter out some of the heat sources that are shoved into its line of sight and continue tracking whatever target it was originally locked onto? Because that’s what happens to me, and it feels like doesn’t matter what throttle I’m at, the missile just continues tracking me. I’ve been facing the MLD with other aircraft of the 23 family that have the large-caliber countermeasures, and going off the afterburner, positioning the flare dispenser towards the missile, and flaring a little then maneuvering away from the flares does nothing to stop the 24T. Every other missile in the game will fall for that if it’s not radar, and if those guys were using 24Rs, then my RWR would pick them up when they lock me from straight ahead. It feels like utter bs, and I was wondering if you know how to defeat the 24T effectively, so you can teach me. Thanks.

[@besty453]

​@@Boris_The_Turtleit may not lose lock but the missile will miss

[@SajithRupasinghe]

Thanks for the video mate. Explains a lot why I am getting killed by F-4Js in recent matches. Thought Fox 1s are bugged but in reality I was using pre launch strategy to evade them post launch. Time to test this new knowledge. Thanks again.

[@Wotplaya4]

The running away tactic could possibly be expanded to idk "doppler speed gating" the missile. So going side on towards the missile, with sufficient background clutter, also might defeat the missile. I believe most fox 1 except R-24R and AIM-7F have about a 150 m/s margin for error and the 24R and 7F a 125 m/s one. Going cold is one way to blend in with the background clutter, but technically going side on will also work. Also no mention of pulse signal fox 1 missiles? Aforementioned tactic of going sideways or cold don't work against them, although I suppose it's not as important as they are all 1) pretty weak, strongest one is the R.530 2) are on planes with bad radars, so getting locked in the first place isn't too common 3) they are susceptible to chaff, so using them as flares works (they function identically really like the aircraft's on board pulse mode radar when it comes to how it reacts to chaff).

[@collander7766]

yeah the pulse ones are nice because you cant notch them, but they also instantly track chaff. They always directly follow the location of your green radar lock square, not any moving target within a vicinity of it (like sparrows). Also none of them pull more than like 15 Gs tho

[@proskills_prime9221]

Amazing video honestly. ive had the j7e a long time and was dying most of the time to radar missiles not knowing how to dodge them. Once again thanks

[@nicholasjensen8016]

the most consistent defense I use is simply turn right or left and fly perpendicular to the enemies heading. this works every time if you are sure they are in pd mode (pretty much guaranteed if its a low altitude encounter). no chaff needed. The enemies radar will simply lose you bc the closing speed becomes too close to his air speed so the radar thinks you are part ground clutter it is designed to ignore and ignores you. The chaff is only needed if the enemy is using the classic search mode.

[@burneracc2567]

Great explenation and I love the set of flags on your friend's elevators.

[@obli1680]

man i’ve been looking for a video like this for a while now

[@POTATO-lw4cy]

Thank you so much. I wanted a proper video designated to fox 1 missiles for a long time now cause it's a bit hard to understand. Ty

[@NickThePilotUSA]

They should make the PD mode track in chase mode like it does irl. Like how did F-15s shoot AMRAAMs at an Iraqi mig-25 flying away from it back in the 90s?

[@Wotplaya4]

We got very early PD capable radars in game still. A lot of improvement happend during those decades. However, it's true tho that Gaijin probably has overnerfed PD radars in the game, especially when it comes to the rear aspect. There are bug reports about it. But it's probably not going to chance in a while because Gaijin once again has screwed up by giving only half of all nations PD + (good) fox 1 capable aircraft so far. It's one of those artifical nerfs for balance we have to live with for a little while until it becomes widely available to all nations in the game.

[@fixit9844]

@@Wotplaya4 very early? The EJ Kai has a radar that is currently seeing use in the F-16, and was only retired in 2020.

[@DeadSkyWT]

@@fixit9844 he means majority.

[@evangalinsky2499]

@@fixit9844 That radar (APG-66) is very early. It was an F-16 radar, but to be more specific, the radar was taken from the A model Block 5-10 F-16. The very first production F-16's ever. The Viggen's radar is actually newer and more capable. Just because its from "The F-16" doesn't mean its the radar from the C model block 50 F-16 lmao, that radar IS extremely advanced, but that's not the one we have in game. And yes, the EJ Kai's only retired in 2020, but they first of all barely did or were intended (in the last 20 years) for anything air to air, and were mainly if anything for reconnaissance or ground attack, it being retired so recently has nothing to do with its radar, which likely got updated again anyway.

[@hemendraravi4787]

We got 60s radar on f4j and fgr (both are 60s jets aswell) ej Kai can somewhat do this better

[@milkelangelo1]

Maybe this is not the most efficient tactic as it does use kind of a lot of countermeasures but it is definetely the safest as long as it's performed well (almost a 100% success rate, at least with the currently in game missiles, but this tactic even works for advanced Fox-3s wich, except the AIM-54A, are currently not in game). It's also very easy When the missile is about 6-4 kms away (sometimes even more distance works), you start notching AND diving (about 10 - 25°, be careful to not dive too much especially if the missile is from above). After that you create a little countermeasure wall (like one key press per second for about 3/4 seconds) and start going cold (so away from the enemy aircraft) while still diving (a little less) The chances of you getting hit using this method are basically NONE as you combine basically every defensive maneuver existing: 1) Diving: As you lower your altitude, air gets thicker, wich means more drag, wich means the missile decelerates faster. To that you have to add that if the radar is not Pulse Doppler, it's going to start a little ground-clutter issue, wich gets bigger as altitude decreases. 2) Notching: As explained in the video, due to how PD and MTI radars work, notching makes it really difficult for the radar itself to keep tracking you, and so is hard for the missile to guide on you. 3) Creating a Chaff wall while Notching: This basically enhances the point explained above. 4) Going cold: As you start going away from the enemy, for them 2 problems appear: 1. The cold side is usually the side with the smallest cross-section on the entire plane, as a matter of fact making you look smaller to the enemy's radar, wich of course makes the lock harder 2. By going cold, as you reduce the closure rate with the enemy (and so their missiles too), the missile has to percur a greater distance, wich bleeds the missile's speed (and as a fact this is the best defensive "maneuver" for the various F-104s due to it's high speeds and acceleration). 5) Turning: As you turn, the missile has to turn too to adjust the lead (wich means that changing the flight path many times makes the missile turn a lot), and so the missile gets slower. And if you turn enough you bring the missile to the max G-load, wich means that if you turn enough WHEN it's close enough, the missile might miss you just because of the inability to turn more. If it still isn't enough the missile is probably so slow you can dodge it by a little turn upwards followed by a little barrel roll downwards, as it's probably so slow that the closure rate is really really small.

[@jesusofbullets]

You had to say it didn't you? AIM-54 now in game...

[@milkelangelo1]

@@jesusofbullets I litterally just notch phoenixes. Most times I don't even need chaffs. It works every time as long as you do it before it is too late.

[@4funrc11]

👍 Thanks! Please do more of these tutorials, they're really valuable! 😍

[@Registered_Simp]

FINALLY. I have been attempting to explain this to people forever but they never believe me. Guess I can direct them to this video now ;) Also, a note regarding the cold missiles. That tactic will not work at higher altitudes, especially with like the ones on Viggin and EJ Kai. Use at low altitudes only. Anything else is an attempt to make the missile work harder

[@SeekerHead]

I have yet to have a situation where the E2 can get a lock cold, feel free to upload one for me

[@Registered_Simp]

@@SeekerHead Altitudes above 5000m within 4km. I've seen plenty of them since I tend to be found at 7000m+ in matches

[@SeekerHead]

I won’t believe it until i’ve seen video proof

[@hemendraravi4787]

At above 7000m u can get rear aspect shots with aim7e2 from 4-8km or even higher

[@mcohanov]

Half of this video is useless now, but still helps

[@jjbogan3791]

Great vid Seek thanks for the help mate these videos are amazing for people like me with little knowledge of notching properly thanks mate :)

[@RedVRCC]

R-23R and presumably R-24R can rear lock from about 2km out but they take almost a full km to start maneuvering so it's useless to do this when you can just lob an R-60 instead.

[@Player-st4hn]

Damn using and evading missiles is even more complicated than I thought

[@kristiankrajnansky4480]

You have no idea how much you helped me. Thanks

[@whammy5142]

I don’t have top tier yet but your vids are cool

[@MrGhosT29.]

We need that video updated

[@plaguetheair8975]

Just played a match with you, I was the F-4E covering you.

[@robanson32]

Do you feel as though the auto-pilots adjustments to the AIM-7F have made it connect alot more? Your original review was un-kind to the 7f

[@SeekerHead]

7F is much better now

[@tommasobucceri6983]

This man is a warranty

[@GeneralLee2000]

Just fly without any chaff, EZ 💪

[@agentwashington317]

Based gamer

[@MausOfTheHouse]

Chad

[@dixievfd55]

Cranking I think really only works in long range BVR engagements which you do not get in War Thunder. War Thunder gives you the last few seconds of what would be in DCS a BVR fight gone wrong.

[@Founder6087]

You will all need to remember this for world war 3

[@eisenwolfen3762]

I just started a game with my phantom, perfect😂👌 And I luv your vids💯

[@verzache-]

Opinion on the 7f after the changes (Remembered you did not like them earlier)

[@SeekerHead]

Much better

[@Red_Lion2000]

I can get kills out to 20-30km pretty frequently, I love them.

[@shayzadg]

You are a bloody godsend...crazy I was really good when mig19s were too tier...and now I'm a noob lol. Goes to show u always something to learn

[@VirtualCanadian-j3d]

this was actually really helpful

[@Tell_27]

You absolute legend, thank you!

[@QeteshThePony]

You also gotta be carefull. The mld and it’s r24R is very weird, even when the mld loses lock or the radar locks chaff the missle can still hit reguardless

[@NickThePilotUSA]

You won't evade an r24r without notching

[@SeekerHead]

Chaffing 90 degrees will still kill the R24R

[@kommandantkillcode]

@@SeekerHead Btw, the MiG-23s actually can filter out some ground clutter in their low altitudes Pulse modes without PD, and can even be a bit above the target looking down onto the ground and get a lock and successful launch. The only problem with that mode is that it’s extremely susceptible to chaff, and the R-23R sucks quite a lot so I don’t use that mode on my 23M. The MLD can use it to greater effect though.

[@methal0-111]

Could you make a video about explaining why things are like they are? For example why flying cold is so working or the details of CW and Pulse

[@xShaade]

Will definitely be testing these out, thanks for the info! Just recently started playing around top tier and have been struggling with this aspect especially. On the topic of chaff being "broken" though, I am curious - *should* the chaff be able to break a sarh missile's lock after being launched? Like, is the current behaviour true to the real world or not? Whether it's then a bug or an intentional design choice by the devs is another matter~

[@SeekerHead]

Chaff instantly kills the basic fox 1 missiles like the French M530 or whatever it’s called. It’s the missiles that use CW illumination that can continue tracking while chaff is being deployed (most top tier SARHs). This is somewhat realistic. The most unrealistic part about it all is that the radars physically lock into chaff, making it appear as though theoretically the missile should now track the chaff, as that is what the radar has locked. This doesn’t happen irl though, and i believe it to be gaijins way of simpifying chaff

[@jaredjohnson4067]

i really wish they would add a selector to either put flare or chaff in the air, not both at the same time....

[@avitus5770]

Pulse Doppler not tracking targets going 90 degrees explains so much... i just thought the Viggen's radar must be glitched for the longest time. I guess I have a reason to use SRC now

[@drierwhisper729]

also if a target is flying cold I've been able to use the self detonation of the non tracking missile to get kills from firing like 1-1.2km away

[@fuahrahn]

Now that was very helpfull, thank u guys!

[@b_cryptidd]

The reason why you can't get a missile to track cold is because you are moving roughly the same speed as the target which the radar tries to differentiate. If you were moving slower or faster you could probably get a better lock.

[@SeekerHead]

Not with the E2, the doppler gate is too large. The target would have to be near stalled out. I’m aware as to why, but it doesn’t really matter for the purpose of the video, and explaining why might just confuse people.

[@Cristieagle]

Seeker be using the techniques shown to avoid posting the Top 15 video jk I love you and this was very helpful keep it up

[@SeekerHead]

I’m avoiding the Top 15 video because everything has changed so much since I made the list and I knew how to explain why I had planes where I had them. I have to do it all over again because it has changed so dramatically in the last month or 2

[@nicolaspeigne1429]

i can't wait for the Super 530 to finally be in game. Very informative video.

[@jackgamer6307]

That's weird because I can dump all my chaff over the course of 30 seconds in my SMT and even when flying 90 degrees to a phantom, they refuse to drop lock

[@Lofi.z34]

You're a godsend, thanks a lot bro.

[@Lofi.z34]

I'm a Sweden player (AJ37 and now the MiG-21bis with 6x R-60MK) and have been getting ruined by the US front-aspect SARH missiles. Thank you so much. I need to practice the 90 degree notching next time.

[@OxygenThief721]

The missile knows where it is at all times

[@OxygenThief721]

Until the one try hard makes it not know where it is at all times

[@zinox9262]

Great video, that helped me a lot. I have a question tho. Does the missile behave the same way in MTI mode as it is in PD? I have had a really hard time locking things in my mig 23 and actually get the missile to track.

[@SeekerHead]

Yes, MTI will be notched at 90 degrees. However, a little known bonus of MTI is it doesn’t give an audio RWR warning, only visual

[@Jdhog152]

@@SeekerHead Hmm that might explain why some people are getting killed by the Mig 23’s SARH missiles without getting a RWR warning.

[@cristobalalvarez5491]

Well the mug 23 irl always had problems locking onto enemy jets i wonder why

[@XEyedN00b]

Thank you, this is very useful. However, since these are all SARH and not F&F missiles, isn't the behaviour where you chaff post missile launch inaccurate? If enemy radar starts illuminating chaff, the missile should follow the illumination, no?

[@SeekerHead]

Not in War Thunder 🤣🤣 This is gaijins way of portraying something called CW Illumination, something sparrows and R24s have.

[@Wotplaya4]

It's alright except for the fact that the radar somehow illuminates the entirety of planet earth even in lock mode... this leads to both good and bad stuff in game, like an aircraft running away very far angle wise from the locked chaff still being hit by the missile or the missile going off to a friendly that's nowhere near close to the intended target (angle wise). I've shot missiles towards my locked target but the missile going for a friendly (going at a high closure rate) towards me, underneath me. One would think my radar wouldn't even reach my friendly's aircraft but it did anyway. With a lock you expect a fairly narrow region of illumated space, it gets wider and wider over distance of course, but it shouldn't be that bad (I doubt Gaijin has modelled light refraction in atmospheric layers, but even then...). I've had a decent amount of unwanted teamkills ever since they nerfed fox 1s (which made them switch targets more easily).

[@dukeVisimar]

Only one missile in game killing me (regularly) is r24t, i know its not radar guided, but seems like r24t has great flare resistance. Any tips how to evade r24t?

[@syntax1275]

I follow these two methods and works decently well for me: 1. When you see a MiG23 in your vicinity, pre-flare! flare every 1.5 - 2 seconds as this is how long it will take for the seeker to get a lock on you again (assuming it locked the flare first) 2. When the R24T is coming head-on: If a R24T is on its way to hitting J on your keyboard for you, kill your afterburner and do the same maneuver in this video while flaring but pull harder. However, when you pull in the opposite direction after the first pull, flare and pull as hard as you can immediately after (but keep an eye on your speed, go too slow and even the lord won't be able to help you). Hopefully, this helps, and do let me know how it goes. I am Syn7ax in-game. Let me know here or in-game :)

[@dukeVisimar]

@@syntax1275 Thanks, I'll try it.

[@hemendraravi4787]

It’s actually r24r mig23s have a bug where even if they lock you it won’t show up on your rwr this bug is only exclusive to mig23s and there is even a bug report which got approved ,this issue is still not fixed and made me think if Russian bias is real lol

[@hemendraravi4787]

R24t are easy to flare off in a head on , it barely takes 1 flare in a head on (with afterburners off) but the advantage of r24t is that ur enemy can climb to 8000m and snipe you from 6km u won’t even know the missiles is coming for u

[@dimitar330]

@@hemendraravi4787 not a bug. IR mode on the radar tracks and locks on your heat signature without radar usage, thats why you dont get a RWR notification. But it works for IR missiles only, are you really sure than it was R24R, not T version?

[@otto_ravensburg472]

Great video, thanks. Does F-pole works in WT correctly?

[@Julzxvr]

For the algorithm :)

[@kalumbailey5103]

You should be able to keep lock when manoeuvring, in my fg 1 I can keep lock on people even when they're out of view off to the side of the screen, so you can easily send off a skyflash then crank or roll and keep lock easily

[@SeekerHead]

You only have 60 degrees left or right. that’s not enough pull to lead the 7F

[@kalumbailey5103]

@@SeekerHead ahh ok my bad I thought that part was about all sarh in general, Is it dependant on the missile or the radar set? I would have thought the f4-j radar would be better or on par with the Brit phantoms

[@kevinl2482]

@@kalumbailey5103 From my understanding, it's basically entirely the missile. The point of this maneuver is to make the missile lose energy so it doesn't have the speed to turn into you and hit you. The 7F has a much longer time on it's motor compared to the E-2s or Skyflash which means it can keep its energy in situations where the E-2 would lose it all, so you have to make it bleed more energy when it turns back into you when you switch directions. It's kind of like when you're playing tag(I know right, not playing WT), and someone is chasing you, and if you serpentine it'll make it significantly harder for them to tag you because they keep having to lead you as you change directions. Now if someone does track and field(7F) they'll have a much easier time than a person who doesn't(7E-2).

[@pedrolft9010]

Thanks

[@bc6189]

R27-ER sees you try to dodge R27-ER: bullshit activate

[@spongebobsquarepants9146]

Gud vid, commenting for algorithm

[@nickkeyes915]

How does this guide hold up in light of the fairly recent missile buffs? Does the AIM7F Head on maneuver still work?

[@3YearsApart1613]

Very helpful video

[@varunkoganti9067]

Don't say pule Doppler cannot track perpendicular there is no relation between track direction & received power l. Doppler radars measure the difference in Doppler shift meaning all you have to do i keep the shift zero to be undetected.

[@smippycis6285]

Any tips for subsonic planes to dodge SARH missiles? like the harriers, f5s, etc?

[@RienRocks]

Stay low

[@braedynhoward3644]

I am new to top tier jets, how do I tell whether the missile launched at me is heatseeking or Radar guided? Is it due to the fact that they can fire it when I'm flying towards or away from them? Or do I have to memorize all the missiles on every jet so I can guess which one they've fired depending on the situation?

[@SeekerHead]

Memorizing the missiles will help, but the tell tale sign is your RWR. If your RWR is beeping with a line pointing in the direction you’re being locked from it’s a radar missile. The IR missiles won’t beep at all

[@braedynhoward3644]

@@SeekerHead Ok yeah that makes sense. The F104 I'm flying right now doesn't have RWR so I forgot that was a feature, thanks!

[@Vapor_32]

Damn dude.... dope!!!!

[@TreXoniKs]

Nice video idea, concise explanation, good vibes. I was captivated

[@drierwhisper729]

isn't chaff changed now, recently I've "evaded" several fox 1's by just flying straight and dropping chaff without being 90 from the enemy

[@methal0-111]

Can you explain why you have to perform the scissor maneuver against the aim7F instead of the barrel roll

[@chickensya]

Dude shot a phoenix at me at 4km i pulled as hard as if he was trying to hit me with his guns and still got hit. Sometimes those seem like they aren’t working how they are supposed to

[@blacktail522]

Saw a brief part Of this in your kfir video. Thanks for expanding. Do you have any tips for IR missile evasion? If I fly a plane without flares or I run out.

[@SeekerHead]

You die lol

[@Wotplaya4]

For AIM-9D/Gs you can do the same pull in one direction and reverse the turn into the other direction technique as they lead a lot as is their way of preserving energy (and range). But that only works well if the missile is shot at you semi close, for when missiles are shot in optimial ranges, you mostly just die, there's nothing to it. Only maybe if you time your manuevers really well, you can dodge them, but it often leaves you vulnerable to a second missile. Best tip is to keep your distance if possible, otherwise prepair to pay repair costs.

[@blacktail522]

@@SeekerHead lol. Let the pain begin

[@kevinl2482]

If you're slow, you die, especially if the missile is an R60 or a Magic. If you are >800kph, then basically do the E-2 sparrow dodge except quicker. If you're like more than 1.5km from the missile, then start slightly turning one direction(at least roll in that direction) if you're expecting a fox-2, then turn harder in that direction when it's fired, then when it's around 0.7km away turn hard-ish the other direction. This'll slow you down though depending on how fast you are going(If you're over mach you don't have to turn nearly as hard), so if you're going 900 most likely you'll die shortly after dodging one missile. It is quite nice though, when I'm in my Draken and there's 4 Mig-23s behind me and I dodge their R-60s while they get picked off by phantoms.

[@Red_Lion2000]

Inverted roll at the right time will defeat most heaters depending on the plane. You can dodge aim9j's in the starfighter, so its fairly easy in other planes unless you have a magic or r60 headed your way.

[@Ropen_]

nice video

[@manosg76]

i like this guide but this is when enemy and u are at the same alt or you are at lower alt.....what if enemy is at lower alt?

[@SeekerHead]

Then everything i’ve demonstrated becomes even easier

[@SnazzieTV]

Fyi, this going cold doesnt work against f16's aim 7 and mig29's r27er

[@Fengerish]

thx, now I can try to take the high ground

[@Raul_Menendez]

2025: How to accept your fate getting killed by AMRAAMS

[@sixtiesspiderman6268]

This may be kinda niche, but how does the AIM-9C on the F8E compare to the Sparrows in terms of rear-aspect tracking and tracking targets with chaff? The WT Wiki makes it sound like it requires a constant radar lock feedback from the aircraft to maneuver, so where a Sparrow still tracks if the enemy chaffs after launch, the 9C might not? I'm working on getting my F8E now, but knowing what to expect would be helpful.

[@NickThePilotUSA]

Chaff works on the 9C.

[@GeneralLee2000]

Like nick said, chaff will always work on the 9C. The missile, like other navy missiles like the 9D/9G, has a tendency to overshoot and pull in at the last second, so expect a lot of near misses. As long as you go into it with that in mind, it's a pretty fun missile to use, kinda gives you digfight radar missiles as 10.3. They work very well in headons at around 6 km from my experience as well.

[@Wotplaya4]

that's because AIM-9C filters the return signals differently from Sparrows. The 9C (or other pulse signal missiles) uses distance to determine its target, unlike Sparrows (or other CW signal missiles) which use closure rate. Chaff deploys at the same distance as the orignal target, of course your on board radar of your aircraft will switch to chaff as it's uses radar pulses as well (that's how it gets distance info, unlike when you're in PD mode). The 9C will also just like your on board radar switch targets, but a Sparrow would continue to track the aircraft as long as it has sufficient closure rate (error+background clutter closure rate), because chaff is slow and gets filtered out by the missile.

[@Antal46]

how about ground SAM spammers in ground battle?

[@Hyper_1989]

This is a great video, but is there anything specific to do if they launch closer to you (like within that 4 km limit that you want to dodge at)

[@melom2514]

can you still get radar locked if the jet does not have a radar? (eg. F5C)

[@andrewwillard5625]

Would love for you to do one for the Aim-54 or is it really just stay low for the only way to evade that one?

[@samsonbendiksen7290]

Good vid :P

[@Tiny_Xenomorph]

but what do i do in slower planes? planes such as an A-10 or Su-25? They turn fast but they are too slow to make the missile pull large amounts of lead

[@-Benito_Swagolini-]

Pray. Anyway they’re strike aircraft not meant for air combat so the airframe wasn’t built in the mind of dodging missiles

[@svenskdennn8748]

wow, i really thought my radar was locking onto the flares

[@fuahrahn]

Few days ago i finally got Viggen and kinda disappoint with it's rb71🤔. First of all rb71 loosing energy VERY fast when it's engine out, reminds me british red tops. Second, many people easily evade incoming rb71 even without shown manuevers. And third, rb71 sometimes start to track flares! It's so stupid ffs. Btw, does shown manuevers work vs r23/24r? Thanks.

[@txfrogboy8975]

Thanks for the video, unfortunately I will still die because I’m dumb lol

[@NANOG-P8]

iam learning top tier and i have a question. there are many instances where i see a fox 1 coming go 90 deg and chaff but the missile still tracks and kills me . how is this possible ? and how can i avoid it

[@simon2493]

You can chaf 180 degree it's even better as you hide behind chaf cloud

[@SeekerHead]

giving your ass for free is never ideal, only last resort

[@xXrandomryzeXx]

So i guess it wasn't my bad use of chaff, but the fact that chaff does not work. I mean, it's easier to dodge missiles in DCS than in War Thunder

[@rileyxbell]

I always see people using this "square radar" but mine doesn't look like that. It looks more like a half circle. Is there a setting to switch to this radar mode?

[@mistapeper1283]

mig-23m hearing all the chaff methods in this video: 😶 (only 12 flares/ 6flr+6chaff pain)

[@SeekerHead]

Bring flare only, stay low and rely on notching

[@ChalcolithicPrizim]

Now try this in the Su-22M3

[@kiubekpl5863]

2:53 reminds me of AMRAAM spam

[@osmacar5331]

my friend taught me enough for me to grasp the more difficult things. however. this vid is still very useful, am not always going to be able to make it optimal for me, so how to i make it optimal when i can't.

[@natsirt9809]

90 chaffing is also known as notching in real life and its a much better name for it

[@SeekerHead]

no, they're not the same thing. You can't notch the SRC radar. I cover notching explicitly at the end of the video

[@edvinsamuelsson9359]

i just wanna say chaffing in a head on agaisnt PD mode is pretty much useless doesnt matter alt, only way to not get hit by a pd mode radar in a head on is to do a manuver

[@SeekerHead]

Chaffing in a head on is useless in general. Especially so in pulse doppler however, because pulse doppler radars don’t even see chaff. If you’re going to use chaff, it has to be in a 90 degree aspect, in which you’d be notching a PD anyway.

[@larcrivereagle5559]

Was that test with firing multiple fox 1s using a modded game or can the F4J actually guide missiles like that in game?

[@Red_Lion2000]

You can launch several fox1's in quick succesion and have them track the target.

[@larcrivereagle5559]

@@Red_Lion2000 huh. I thought the F4J's radar was incapable of that.

[@Wotplaya4]

@@larcrivereagle5559 you're probably confused with locking multiple targets instead, the F-4J can only lock one target at a time but can guide unlimited sparrows really towards that one target, there's no reason it can't. It was even done irl to maximize chances of hitting a target. Any aircraft can do that in game actually, but again only 1 individual target at a time.

[@larcrivereagle5559]

@@Wotplaya4 Damn. I've been playing handicapped this entire time.

[@SeekerHead]

@@larcrivereagle5559 Not necessarily, firing more than one at a target isn’t recommended imo. You’ll have more potential for damage if you learn how to maximize the lethality of a single sparrow that way you don’t dump all of your kill potential on a single, often unimportant target.

[@sackthing986]

Just got out of a game with 2 toxic players that were bullying me for being a level 22 with premiums, i had recently watched this though and destroyed them xD (i only have premiums at this level cus i dont have tome to grind btw)

[@verzache-]

In what planes were they?

[@soto1649]

I guess they in f4E and f4j

[@hemendraravi4787]

@@soto1649 ah yes f5c teaming up with mig23 and not f4e/f4j cus it’s a mig28

[@bajessilmi6162]

can u make a video about Gun targeting distance and Vertical targeting , some times i see u use vertical targeting and sometimes u do not , it will be helpful to explain , thank you

[@SeekerHead]

gun targeting distance is just the convergence, it only really applies to wing mounted guns, since you won’t really notice convergence on center mounted guns. Verticals targeting will do the same thing as the normal targeting distance, just up and down rather than the standard left/right convergence. I generally just always use verticals targeting so that it’s consistent and I don’t have to readjust all the time. I find verticals targeting helpful on aircraft like the MiG15, as it has its guns mounted underneath the fuselage, like many others. I use verticals targeting on everything, but it really only matters that much on aircraft with top or bottom mounted guns. it’s down to personal preference

[@bajessilmi6162]

@@SeekerHead many thanks

[@pepega3211]

here to look how to dodge mig 29 missles i guess the 90° chaffs works almost

[@SeekerHead]

90 chaff will work for any missile but aim54 can sometimes be tricky

[@pepega3211]

@@SeekerHead im more scared of the mig 29 bcs i play British f4j uk

[@evo3s75]

Can you show how to notch with the F-104G? Cause doesn't matter how or what, I always instantly die by F-4J's and next to that I can't even fucking notch them even though I'm flying as I should

[@thetrujelo]

How do I get my F4E radar to give me stronger locks like you get in your videos? No matter what situation I'm in unless it is high altitude and clear blue sky, and even then sometimes it doesnt work, my lock isn't strong enough for a sparrow.

[@Wotplaya4]

Wdym strong locks? Any lock in the end will suffice but the sparrow's seeker itself might be the one that's having trouble. F-4Es radar (not the EJ kai at least) have pulse mode only, so they are susceptible to ground clutter. Nonetheless they can get a lock if the enemy is close enough to you. Your radar filters on distance. Then there's your sparrow which filters returns signals based on doppler shift. So even if you got a lock on them, the missile can not get a lock itself if the target is moving at too low of a closure rate. It's a little inconsistent at altitude sometimes but that might be due to clouds. So basically: they only work reliably in a headon. Side and rear aspect often have too low of a closure rate for the sparrow to lock.

[@CharliMorganMusic]

This happens to me so often. WHY DO MY CHAFF NOT WORK

[@SeekerHead]

maybe watch the video before commenting???

[@loopoval2066]

Bit of a question on using kinematics to evade the missile head-on, is the "Mach 1+" rule universal or can the more maneuverable aircraft dodge them while doing, say, Mach 0.8 at around sea level?

[@SeekerHead]

Universal

[@Wotplaya4]

Speed is needed to make the missile lead more. If you aren't that fast, the missile doesn't lead as much, making it easier for the missile to pull back into you once you reverse your turn. A little more maneuverability isn't going to help as much, unless you can actually outpull the missile completely, but I doubt pulling 25+ Gs is recommended.

[@loopoval2066]

@@SeekerHeadI see, thank you! ​ @CalvinAz Yeah, I just figured that Sparrows might have a harder time hitting with even a little bit of extra deg/s of pull with the much higher closure rate. But I haven't played in a while and Seeker is a much better top tier pilot than I ever was anyway, so I wanted to confirm. Thanks for the responses!

[@hemendraravi4787]

U can dodge it at mach 0.8 but u need altitude atleast 800m , u can dodge the missile at lower speeds but u just need to make a bit more wider circle and u have to kinda roll down if ur already slow ,so if u don’t have altitude to spare and do a vertical roll then u will end up as a slow and easy target (as u were at mach 0.8 to being with) rolling down won’t let u bleed as much speed as when u roll up