HOW TO FIT A SHOWER PUMP - Stuart Turner Showermate Review

How to fit a shower pump and how they work.
We install a Stuart Turner Showermate on a vented system and talk about the relation between head pressure and how shower pumps work and why they sometimes fail (its due to installation failure!) For more information, check the links here.
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[@gittin_funky]

plumberparts how can I soundproof the pump ? Our pump was installed in the adjacent bedroom (no room in bathroom) and is currently not boxed in so is very noisy. Is it safe just to build a frame around it ? Would I add sound proofing to the inside ? Is their a danger it could get too hot ? Thanks

[@gittin_funky]

plumberparts sorry forgot to ask sometimes when I switch the shower on no water comes out until I turn a sink Tap on and then the shower kicks in and water comes out- what would likely be the cause of this ? Patreon singing - priceless mate

[@robinsoneveonline]

When is the album out 🎶😂

[@dempsterAV]

Great to see your channel expand, James. So informative, and also very funny at the same time. I'd say 'Cheers to that' - keep up the good work! HOLD TIGHT!!

[@rossbarbero4474]

Great video once again James! Very instructional, simply explained and outlines the whole concept. Stay safe and keep it up. Big up! 🙌

[@kevinwallace4500]

Fantastic video and instructions for those DIY heads who need to know that the Domestic Water Shower pump is COLD FEEDER TANK "in" with corresponding cold pumped action "out" to shower/upstairs /// and Emersion HOT "in" with Emersion HOT "out". After 3 years of thinking about it, I think I can now replace my knackered pump myself (after I examine it) and avoid being stung for a £600 / £800 plumbers bill ! You are a sublime teacher ... superb video ! Kev (Ireland)

[@plumberparts]

No worries Kev, 1 year later!

[@scotty2hottie1234567]

Good video, well explained and cleared up a few questions i was having. Also proved that my cousin in-law who is a heating engineer by trade was wrong as he told me it wouldnt be possible to do what you have just done in that video. Keep up the good work.

[@our_existence]

U got the talent man! Awesomely claryfied the problem for many of us. Many thanks for the video and all the best! :)

[@davehorton7712]

My own plumber recommended a Stuart Turner pump to power 2 showers , brilliant bit of kit

[@Grangey]

Been a minute since I’ve watched one if you’d videos.. wow! Congrats on levelling up! This was absolutely awesome 👏🏻

[@cluelesstekkie5043]

Love the singing treat too on top of the shower pump tutorial!

[@VodKaVK]

I swear to God, watching people dos what they love is hella satisfying.

[@nemanjagradinac5419]

As part of legionella control what we do at my firm (commercial mainly) is bring the expansion pipe up over the tank and then back down, into a visible tundish, then a fanny trap and tee into the waste or discharge out as you would a D2 on the unvented system. This is to prevent the warm water mixing with the cold bringing the temp of the cwst into the 20C or above which is a breeding ground for bscteria. Just a thought, may become mandatory at some point. Cheers for a great video bud. Atb

[@DaddyBear3000]

WHAM! Are alive and well. Haha Love it. Seriously though, this video is great. It took me a while to learn all of this from a lot of reading.

[@johnradley7176]

An excellent video, thanks. I'm amazed you'd go the bother in building a whole demo system in your workshop... There must be money in KZbin!

[@PeterMillikin]

Watching your video after the company that my landlord employ has so far cost me 2 months of my life! All three pumps, Salamander have been okay but they have put them all on shared feeds. I need DIY SOS

[@paul_my_plumbs_uk]

Nice practical video to show. What i'm learning at college theoretically 👍👍👍 thanks 🏆🏆🏆

[@MartiA1973]

Love that copper. Solid information - thank you.

[@SuperAbuDawud]

Excellent videos mate. Really enjoyed it. Thanks for the information

[@MartiA1973]

Beautiful soldering is a work of copper art.

[@geraldwalsh6489]

Greetings from Ireland...excellent video mate! I'll be installing the very same pump in next few days and I'll be following your instructions to a tea...( the tea is for after all that work!)

[@alfredbendana4467]

I love this vid, very informative. It definitely helped my confusion with negative and positive head pump. Thanks for this video

[@Ian.Does.Fitness]

Very informative and entertaining! I might even pluck the courage up to fit my own shower pump now! 😂👍🙏

[@stevewhitehead7318]

Really helpful video! Thanks a lot James! 👌

[@sebastianmelmoth7331]

I’m not a plumber but I loved this!!!!🤣

[@whitefields5595]

James. You really do go over and beyond to help folks with these vids. There is more than enough here for a novice DIYer to tackle this job. There was one thing missing ..... you did not wash yourself with Brasso?

[@W1ndy.]

#AleArmy Big up the crew. Definitely worth signing up guys and gals it’s a good laugh

[@ChristianBHough]

Glad you didn't let us down and had that compulsory shower. :-) Kelly was quite surprised when she heard you sing my name. She was like "What the hell did he do that for?" - Cos I paid for it hehe. You didn't mention giving one of these away, suppose I'll just have to buy one myself :-) Hold Tight x

[@lucasp3428]

Love that music 😂 brilliant

[@kisamusiitwa3253]

That’s hilarious James, never heard plumbing lyrics before! :)

[@thecitysurfer]

Power to the shower. R&B soundtrack is good 🌈

[@jamesycotter.512]

Class video James.

[@prameshwarmorascar3137]

Very useful knowledge thank you very much

[@vinnysurti]

So excited

[@plumbingmadeeasy1789]

nothing better than a nice cold after work haha

[@paulspittel1924]

Thanks for this , You've put my mind at rest over a couple of concerns re an installation I've just had done. Unfortunately though, his pipework is a bit like spaghetti!

[@adriatikqypi9356]

Brilliant video

[@raydo100]

Excellent stuff my man..

[@leomannings7628]

Great video !!

[@TheCureForHumanity]

Damn I love your energy

[@shouwill]

Some neat copper pipework bending between the cold and hot supplies from the mixer dropping down to the shower pump. Some guidance on this pipe bending wizardry to avoid clashes (crossover's) and then back to the wall for pipe support would be much appreciated - both 15 and 22?. Great video and presentation as always James...

[@co-optreecarecompanymanage8657]

Cheers very good help. 👍

[@colin9078]

Keep up good work 👍

[@BrianCripps]

Another great video. Lots of explanations as to why you do things. 👍👍👍👍👍👍

[@kemmylilmister1122]

Most talented plumber ever! :D great content my dude, have a great one!

[@tradingwizz]

Brilliant!

[@miransalih1079]

Hhh the song is hilarious 😅 Thanks for the work man, I wish you could go through the piping connection for the pump after its all done and soldered. Tbanks anyway

[@ianpeacock5772]

quick question, just installed a thermostatic mixer shower. The previous shower would defo give a liter per minute. The new one wont work as the mixer valve has 2 different pressures. I should still be able to use a standard pump in this situation no? Thanks

[@djb774]

Cracking vid.. 👍

[@flyinghero5283]

brilliant video thank you. I am putting in a new bathroom in march and wanted to replace the electric shower with a mixer shower... our water pressure is piss poor for that exact reason. the feeder tank is right above the hot water tank. should I still move the header tank in to the loft, or would just a pump like that solve the problem without moving it??

[@quazzi786]

Great videos, quick question I’ve installed a shower pump a few years ago in the airing cupboard just for the shower , now I’ve just upgraded and put new taps in kitchen and basin but with new taps the pressure has dropped can I install another pump in the airing cupboard nearest to the hot water tank just on the hot water feed so that I get more pressure on the taps ( just the hot water cold is fine )and will it affect the original shower pump I installed , thanks.

[@MrJohnnydublin]

Thanks man!!!

[@fruitysupra1]

A really handy video I stumbled across. Our builders when fitting a downstairs shower room took the hot and cold feed from under the sink. It runs under the kitchen and extension floor and then up to the shower mixer. It takes forever to get hot and often have to run cold for ages first then switch over to hot slowly. We have a pump for the upstairs shower but that doesn’t kick in with the downstairs. Can I put a pump between the downstairs shower and where they have taken the feed from under the sink?

[@barrysteele8431]

Hey James. Love this video. So please tell me and put me straight! Are gravity fed systems still fitted? Every plumber that comes to my house says fit a combi (we only have about 9.5 litres/min flow on shared mains, or go unvented! I’m happy with what we have, conventional gravity fed, and I’m sure a pump like this can solve most our issues! Keep up the vids!

[@craigwatson7692]

Hi Barry, it's maybe a little late to reply to this question but yes, depending on hot water demand and working pressures etc, gravity systems are still fitted and in some circumstances, they can be the best option for a customer.

[@josht8288]

I like the shower mate eco pumps, 3 year warranty from a £160sh pump. You get a 5 year on the monsoons but you do pay a premium for the better build quality.

[@daithimurphy1832]

Hi glad you mentioned putting the pump under the bath,that's what I was going to ask. One question do I put the supply for the bath taps before or after the pump??thanks in advance great channel

[@robertllubnrut]

great video, I have just changed like for like S T showermate eco standard 1.5 bar twin, but when turning the tap on there's a slight hesitation before the pressure kicks in, any ideas what could cause this.

[@HarishKumar-qj3sq]

Hello Mate You videos are really great. My plumber has installed a salamander pump for my new bathroom. But the pressure is not very great. I can see that from my tanks(hot on floor level and cold in loft) the pipes coming out are 22mm which coming upto my bathroom. But in old bathroom out of those main 22mm supply , sink and shower used to have a 15 mm pipes. But the guys who did the rework on bathroom has taken the input for shower pump from 15mm old pipes and i think same he has put to shower and other areas of bathroom. Can you suggest if this could be problem for the low pressure. Also like to ask if input pipe to pump can be 22m while outgoing can be 15 mm?

[@deanarmstrong7516]

Hi James, great video this has helped me no end in going to fit my pump, however a couple of questions, you said you've known this to be fitted under the bath, I am considering this but is a hot debate about electrics, would you recommend it under the bath and also as much as your copper work is great, would these work with speedfit pipe and fittings or would it be to powerful pushing a 3bar pump through them, many thanks 👍

[@odysseusdrakos2008]

very helpful informative video, thank you. i had been struggling to work out why the showers in the old house i have just moved into had such rubbish pressure, i thought the problem was the undersized service pipe into the house but now i realise it is a gravity fed open vented system exactly like the one you demonstrate, i realise this is the main issue. my question is this; do i need one of these pumps for each of the 3 showers in the house or can i plumb the pump next to the tank to power all of the showers if they are not all being used at the same time? two up stairs, one downstairs and the hot water cylinder and boiler are upstairs in the main bathroom next to the main shower?

[@365drills]

I have the exact setup you described. But loads of pressure on the cold feed to bath/shower mixer tap. It's just the hot feed that dribbles. I assume I need Stuart Turner Techflo TP Standard 2.0 Bar Single Impeller Shower Pump - 49086 for £85. And that I cut into the hot water feed. Can I do it with a plastic pipe? I am in a rental property and on leaving I have to put it back to as found. So my thought is to cut into their 22mm copper pipe to interrupt the flow. Install the pump. Then when I finally leave take out the pump and patch the copper pipe.

[@lcm1234]

Love the video. Our basin tap water pressure became low and high especially with low volume setting after change to new pump. Why? What should we do?

[@adwol48]

Our family bathroom desperately needs a pump it gets about 1.6/7 litres a minute but its really lacking. Good to know I now need a +ve head pump.

[@SimonLancaster]

I’ve watched your vid twice now. Love your style and straightforward approach. As an amateur DIYer, gonna take the plunge and give this a go. Two Qs: 1) can’t find those inline strainers anywhere. Can you share a link. 2) Going to site my pump next to he tank in airing cupboard however my CW / HW feed needs to go back into the loft to rejoin existing 22mm pipe work back and down to the shower. Is this a problem going back up to loft using 22mm > 15mm > 22mm ?

[@jamma246]

Does the pump have to be the last thing before the shower, or can be it upstream from everything else in the house (the taps)? We have a shower which is just a bit weak, but everything else is fine, but it'd be annoying to have to replumb everything so this can be placed correctly. Not sure where abouts my shower pipes come off the main supplies after the hot water tank.

[@shogun231084]

so I'm replacing an old ST showermate that broke with a new ST monsoon universal (negative head didn't always want to start on new upstairs shower). All my pipework is 15mm and the ST universal has 22mm connections. I know the manual says to use 22mm throughout, is this just for maximum flow or will it damage the pump running on 15mm? Should I get a different pump?

[@LabRat6619]

Just fitted one of those week

[@bitmadmax]

Do you suggest screwing the pump down? I imagine there would be some movement on the rubber feet when running.

[@3kkk514]

Hi 1.5 bar water pump 3 storey house, if one show at the 2nd floor is in use, the 3rd floor shower, no water coming out. Will this be posible to upgrade the water pump into 3bar without any other modification like fuse box etc.

[@robbo8871]

Is it worth installing a Surrey flange on the hot water cylinder, or do modern pumps not need this? cheers.

[@mouser653]

Hi mate. Amazing video. Thank you so much. I've just fitted the exact same pump and exact same set-up. My pressure is now great. My only issue now is that my brand new thermostatic bar mixer shower is not getting really hot. It does get really hot however if I isolate the cold feed. I'm thinking it's the thermostatic cartridge but it's brand new. Any ideas?

[@skragamuffin]

hi just to clarify i will be using a pump with 22mm inlets and outlets the thermostatic valve is 15mm inlet (G 1/2) so where should i reduce the pipe from 22mm to 15mm i was thinking almost directly b4 the thermostatic valve would this be right?? many thanks in advance

[@paws4thought449]

Liked the virtual insanity part half way through

[@qhero4503]

love this video,thank you, can you use any pump for hot water tap in the bath? the cold water is working fine good pressure but the hot is very bad and slow due to the same problem you just showed us,thank you

[@StuartTurnerLtdHenleyonThames]

If pumping hot only to a mixer tap make sure you use a Universal pump to ensure it starts every time. The higher pressure on the cold side of the mixer can prevent the flow switch on a positive head pump from working correctly.

[@Andrew-hx6lm]

Great video. I've got a question mate. We have a shower pump to our main bathroom fed by gravity water tank and vented cylinder storage. Problem is when the shower is on it works fine, but once you turn off the shower tap the water pump engine is still working and it won't switch off! I have to go up to the loft to turn the fuse switch off to stop it and over heating. Why doesn't it isolate the water pump off? It used to work a fine before... Many thanks!

[@duber1439]

If the shower valve is passing water 💧 in the off position, You don’t give the location of the shower pump. If the location of the pump is in the loft, It should be a negative head pump , If not check the pressure switch. Don’t understand why 13 Amp spur switch is in the loft. Unless pump is located in the bathroom 🚽

[@smalik695]

Very good

[@johnlawrence9066]

I would always fit an essex outlet on the tank to make sure no air feeds to the pump , and separate outlet to the handbasin etc .

[@oofol]

Hi! Im thinking of getting one of those positive pumps for my hot water lins however I have a slightly different issue.. My system is same as th eone shown in this video. Hot water presure on th efirst floor is weak and downstairs in th ekitchen tap its even worse! It takes ages to get hot water running (it bleeds the cold water seriously long) and once its there presure is very bad. There is another strange thing - once switched to cold water in kitchen tap and back to hot it runs cold again for quite a long while.. I have been talking to few plumbers who gave me ridicolous advices not solving the issue.. Would this pump help me out?! Im thinking of getting a dual feed one to make cold flow better as well.

[@cgarden23]

Hi, love the videos, just 1 question, is an essex/ surrey flange needed to stop the pump drawing air from vent pipe?

[@dreadpirateroberts4052]

Essex flange every time.

[@scopex2749]

Blimey is there anything this geeza cant do, he plumbs, solders makes his own jingles and drinks ale! 👍🏻🇬🇧👏🏻👏🏻 PUKKA GEEZA LOVE that T shirt 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣 My missus is in tears she told me she wants TILES in her new shower and “do we have to have particle board” coz she doesnt like the pattern.....bless her!

[@ruthangus8888]

Should the feet sit on a solid surface (not screwed down just resting)?Just had this exact pump installed and there is few mm clearance under the rubber feet, so it is hanging from the flexible hoses. Could this be why the pump is very noisy compared to the one in your video?

[@VastGsm]

WHAT IS THE FLOW FROM ANY INSTALLED SHOWER OR OTHER OUTLET WITHOUT A PUMP FITTED? - We have a gravity fed system in our home and in our bathroom upstairs on our bath tub we mixer taps installed with a middle plunger that we pull up for the shower hose head. Would this test filling up a 1 liter jug be from ONLY the hot water tap on full or with both hot and cold taps both on full through the shower hose head when doing the test to see how much water has filled up in the bucket/jug over 60 seconds? Thanks

[@malachy1847]

Love those Isolation Valves wit Y Strainers Built in....Great upload...

[@stevelutwyche]

Can the hot feed faucets degrade on these? I’ve got black specks in my hot water in the bath, which is supplied via one of these pumps. I’ve replaced the tap faucets but still have the problem, am wondering if the pump faucets are on their way out. It is at least 15yrs old. None of my other hot taps show any specks, so it is definitely something on this pumped circuit.

[@andyb5216]

love the vids very helpful. could you please help me with my problem? i have searched endlessly but cant see any guides for installing showers in flats ( guess loft applies double for flats). boiler is communial. CWT is in airing cupboard above the hot water cylinder, thats vented to top of the CWT. gravity fed right? i bought a mixer bar low pressure shower (triton tees) i get approx 9 litre pm from bathroom sink taps. manual says min 8lp min for best results. so im borderline., was going to install until i saw this video! ok so i must need a pump, universal, centrifuge, twin but how many bars?. normally 1.5 for flat? but i read it says 3 bar if large shower head. the one i have is 200x200 what do u reckon , 2 bar plenty? thank you oh yea im a painter need any help il film myself toshing a flat out

[@w6263]

PMSL! Love the cover music............ROFWL!

[@hippopotamus86]

I've been advised by multiple plumbers that if I want to live in my house for more than a couple of years, then don't buy the showermate, get the monsoon instead. The warranty for the showermate is 5 times shorter for a reason (apparently).

[@briansweenie4822]

Hi Great video,Is the cold water inlet and outlet on the same side as the electric cable.Thanks

[@jonolid]

I have a shower pump for my gravity system and I can't stand the noise of the pumps! Can you adjust the pressure? My shower is almost like a jetwash and f e hot water runs out fast!

[@uittyman]

Lol... good informative entertainment!!!!

[@kevinair7648]

How do you put the pump flexi pipes on to main hot and cold and rake them off as cant pull mine off pipes cheers

[@douglastynyparc]

Actually nice tune and singing bud. :)

[@Mark260871]

Recommendations for low pressure flow rate to Hot tap in kitchen in a flat. Immersion heater tank with integrated water tank. Flow rate ok at bath tap and basin in bathroom.

[@getbry7452]

It's the vest! 😂 Good video Jimmy 👏 A couple of things for Wednesday: Should the hot supply pipe from the CW tank be slightly higher than the cold. So if the tank should run low the hot would stop running and prevent scalding. Perhaps it doesn't matter with a thermostatic valve? Would you advise the use of a flange to prevent air from the hot finding its way into the pump? Why use strainer valves when there are filters in the pump and at the shower valve?

[@StuartTurnerLtdHenleyonThames]

Yes the hot supply from the CW tank should be slightly higher than the cold services to prevent scalding if the cold water tanks is drained.

[@StuartTurnerLtdHenleyonThames]

Although best practice is to use either a top entry or side entry flange where possible, If the pump is to be located below the top of the hot water cylinder you can connect directly to the hot water supply. Just make sure you first angle the pipe upwards between 30 and 45 degrees and tee into the bottom cylinder. Refer to the installation guide for more advice

[@StuartTurnerLtdHenleyonThames]

There aren’t filters in this model of pump so they will need to be fitted to the pipework before the pump to protect it from any system debris

[@BicepCurlsNiceGirls]

That's song in the middle gave me life 😂🤘

[@Andy-71]

my mixer shower is in the bedroom and the pipes are behind a tiled wall so I cant get to them to add a pump like you have done in this video. ideally id like to install one in the airing cupboard but don't know how I would connect the pump in the cupboard.

[@dellyd1841]

Can you use this on a poor water power electric gravity fed shower

[@howardjohnson4331]

Hi James. What if my pipe arrangements are different. I have my cold water inlet at the top and my hot water outlet at the bottom of my tank. Can I still connected a pump to the outlet please?

[@whitefields5595]

James, I’ve got 3 bar on my mains cold feed but 0.5 bar on the gravity fed hot. Can you do a vid we’re only the hot is pump pressurised and a equalising valve is used to balance the two?

[@callumnoor8442]

How much would you recommend a job like this should cost using a local plumber? Also is an electrician required for the pump? As my airing cupboard doesn't have an electric socket?

[@ycming]

Is it possible to use this to boost my pressure in my megaflow unvented system?

[@paula.the.wannabe.hauler]

Thanks