BOOST HOT AND COLD WATER PRESSURE - Stuart Turner Mainsboost

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[@alib5686]

Can you take me on as a apprentice?

[@mikewhiskee3498]

Planning to install at home. How much 22mm pipework is needed after the tank before it drops to 15mm? Is there a minimum distance? Thanks in advance if anyone can help

[@igipop9131]

I thought this accumulator vessel needs additional pump?

[@uniqprojects381]

Yeah but surely if someone’s in the shower for a long time or you’ve run a bath for example it would have used all that pressurised water up and then you will have the same problem until the vessel is filled again

[@hiddendragon4207]

Thanks for spreading your knowledge

[@davidb2464]

Great video James, I'm a newly qualified Gas Engineer, so going to get me G3 qual soon. Just confirming, as this is all cold water at pressure this certainly won't require that qual. Also, if it is a big house with a system combi, should that unvented cylinder do this very job (I think it does, but worth asking), could this be added to a system combi if the outside pressure is low to start with?

[@samposton9101]

Really great product James. Lovely install.

[@dilligaf2386]

You could end up with leaks in pipework on old systems shorly. I like the idea on a new system. I'm a newbie to plumbing.

[@adamhetherington520]

Another great video James! Really useful to see this product!

[@DeddingtonDental]

Great video - thank you. For the accumulator tank - what pressure should you charge it to before filling with water?

[@KStewart-th4sk]

That tank is basically an accumulator. Versions of it (much heavier/thicker metal of course) are used in hydraulic systems as well, except an inert gas like NITROGEN must be used in the bladder above the water, instead of air. What about the amount of time other taps are open if they are all open at once? Can this keep up with the amount of flow being used; there must be a time limit at which it couldn't keep up with the amount of water being used?

[@asif530]

Great video can you please do a video with the upstream pump if static pressure is low.

[@getbry7452]

Could see a link to the Stuart Turner test kit on James's amazon shop, so here's a link www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0897QGCZW/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_eFVzFbSDF8VDH

[@PeteyPeteee]

How long does the pressure last for when you open a tap or run the shower?

[@StuartTurnerLtdHenleyonThames]

This depends on which size vessel(s) you go for and how many outlets. Check out the full range here: www.stuart-turner.co.uk/our-products/mainsboost

[@dee106ful]

Got a problem in house divided into three flats with one main coming into the basement. Can you recommend a boost system that works from basement up. All have condensing boilers.

[@ahmedrauf9127]

Hi I’ve just passed my gas course and looking for some sort of experience in the plumbing industry. I would appreciate if you could recommend me to someone

[@ricolaracing]

I fitted one of these last summer, went from a dribble of a shower to one of the best I've had! Nice to be able to monitor the incoming pressure too as we seem to have intermittent issues, this gives us an emergency back-up during those times too. Stuart Turner were very helpful in speccing the system.

[@plumberparts]

They're great mate!

[@98067100]

Why would the precharge only be 1.4 and not equal to the pressure reducing valve?

[@steveday6860]

Great video James. I have recently had a combi installed and to be honest I expected more pressure from the taps. When I run a hot tap then run a cold tap the hot tap slows down. Which I understand now as they both come from the same supply. Anyway, I really like the idea of these accumulators as I now have no tanks at all in the house so have room for one. James or anybody, what should I budget to have one installed. Bit of info, mains water comes into the kitchen, combi also in the kitchen, accumulator would need to go in the loft.

[@lizdevereau4569]

Would it work on an existing megaflo system?

[@adambolter4965]

great video, how long can the increased flow last if alot of taps etc are opened?

[@philipsmart1453]

In your home, when you tested the outside tap it was 4 bar but when you tested the mains pressure in your loft it was over 7 bar- why's that?

[@plumberparts]

I think it’s a gauge fault - as it’s still reading high now!

[@c8bbr]

So it’s like a battery? Stored kinetic energy waiting to be used

[@Roverturbo]

Great video, does the cold pipe to the rest of the house need to be 22mm after the mains boost?

[@AcheForWake]

Hey James - great video! We get a lot of water outages in our village (4 this year), I feel the stored water will give us a buffer to bridge the gap, as well as improve the dynamic pressure.

[@DunkiSTI]

Yep!

[@incorrect1844]

Oi oi James, Do I need the tank if is a bungalow with a combi boiler? (Small bungalow-15mm pipe) Ta very much!

[@dragon2273]

James, fitting it in the loft like that, being cold water, won’t it get warm in the summer when you’re not using water and it’s left sitting there?

[@plumberparts]

That's what the big jacket is for. Good question though!

[@dragon2273]

plumberparts but won’t it get warm anyway?

[@mosuhu]

Great vid! I didn't even know these existed. I was planning to go the unvented cylinder route to improve water pressure to the loft bathroom (4 bathrooms in the house) would installing this system negate the need to go the unvented route and stick with a combi boiler?

[@jooie444]

These improve both unvented and combi, so the choice is yours.

[@jamesprice4788]

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[@tomsmith9208]

Great video, thanks. I just have to the same question as a couple of others on here... and that is... what is the length of time that an accumulator can keep up the pressure ? (Obviously this will depend to a degree on size of accumulator but we have enough space for one about 1500 tall). I have a job to do to convert from gravity system where currently nothing is pumped, original plan was to upgrade to a new heat only boiler and a larger lagged cylinder and keep the decent sized CWST and add a 2.0 bar shower pump but I’m contemplating this approach instead, though I’m concerned that the ‘accumilated’ pressure will die off over ten mins. There is 3.5 bar standing pressure but I never like to rely on the fact that this will always be the case (that’s why I don’t really like unvented installs) any feed back would be appreciated. Thanks. Tom.

[@gap9992]

Very interesting! So the regulated static pressure is less than the original unregulated static pressure but the tank stores pressure which increases the dynamic pressure when more outlets are opened and sustains it? If you have only one outlet open, say a shower, will the lower regulated static pressure result in a lower flow to it? What defines how long the boosted dynamic pressure will last?? My incoming main is in the garage. Could I add one of these in the garage immediately after the main stopcock If my questions reveal a total lack of understanding there is a reason for that.......LOL

[@StuartTurnerLtdHenleyonThames]

These systems often get installed in garages, so yes you could set it up in there. How long the boosted supply lasts really depends on the size of the system and it's use. You can also complete a site survey form to get a bespoke recommendation from one of our experts. You'll find a link to the survey and details on the whole range here: www.stuart-turner.co.uk/our-products/mainsboost

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[@elguapo1507]

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[@Jamespaintsplastic]

This looks like a great bit of kit! So its basically a giant accumulator for the cold main

[@plumberparts]

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[@wayneaustin7]

IGNORANT QUESTION ALERT!.......Do all Pressure Regulating Valves reduce to 3 Bar, or is it completely acceptable to get ones which regulate to something higher than that (i.e. closer to before having one)?

[@markjhewlett]

Great video James, really helps us guys training to understand how these systems work... :-)

[@samcrawford9503]

Another great informative video, being made redundant next year and really thinking plumbing may be a idea.

[@C4sp3r123]

Yes would be good to get more explanation in the videos of things like this. I think it would really add to his videos although they are already very good these sort of additions would take them up a notch. I guess James knows and it is obvious to him but for those, like myself, who are not plumbers we are left in the dark. Very interesting video as it is though.

[@BritishBoy1971]

That's awesome! With absolutely no electricity or pumps involved too! 🙂👍

[@jooie444]

It all depends on your water pressure coming into the house. If your water pressure is bordering 2.0 bar or under, then you would need a Mainsboost charger to boost and this would need electricity.

[@jimgrimes818]

Could you do a video on the Micro in line booster pump from Flowflex?

[@conradmcbride]

Why was the pressure from the 15mm incoming main so high in the loft (7 bar)? It was 4 bar downstairs…

[@metallitech]

He bought the dog's bollocks of PRV valves.

[@moskaski]

Surely this is a problem caused by British homes being designed for a conventional hot water system. We've all been pushed to remove the tanks and install combi boilers, only to find we don't have the pressure to supply all of our appliances. How long can this tank maintain the pressure/how much can it hold?

[@craigwatson7692]

If your been pushed to remove your tanks and fit a combi when your incoming supply/system/ hot water demand isnt suited for a combi then that is a mistake of the plumber who recommended it. And how much the tank holds and maintains pressure depends on the model fitted, they come in a variety of sizes to suite any requirement.

[@moskaski]

@@craigwatson7692I am not talking about myself, as a Northern Irish man, I know that the most practical heating setup is a conventional one, unless I live in a one bedroom flat, bit having lived on the mainland, where you guys love the old combi, pretty much every property has one, whether it is the most practical setup or not. James in my opinion would be much better suited to install such a system, or an increase in supply, rather then retrofit a tank, which will need replaced in 10 years.

[@H_o_g_a_n]

loving the song outro. i think you might have to produce a few more of these choice songs for your vids. enjoyed the mainsboost demo & info too.

[@conormcardle3350]

Would a whole house booster pump not be a cheaper and easier option? Sorry if its a stupid question just trying to figure out what will help my situation

[@bradhaenitsch1145]

These are nothing new folks they have been around for decades mostly used in commercial

[@davyg1236]

Good video, how long would it be able to supply the 2 hot taps before flow to one of them became an issue again.

[@davyg1236]

Sorry didn't read comments, there's already been a shit load of people asking same question.

[@StuartTurnerLtdHenleyonThames]

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[@ThomasColeman]

James I currently have a multibloc which has a return cold port and a pressure relief port would the Stuart Turner bloc be able todo the same ? I have a unvented system. My shower pressure is really poor and wanted to add this to increase I have a rain shower would this solve my issues ?

[@LiveCasinoComparer]

How does it improve the pressure of my hot water if it is coming from a Combi Boiler?

[@capitanshaf5751]

Hi great video. I have an unvented indirect hurricane installed. I have weak to no flow/pressure in my loft when turning on the garden tap. I have everything still exposed. Was wondering if this system will fix it? My mains has a 25mm blue pipe to 22mm stopcock which connects to my 22mm pipe. Would it be worth digging my front drive to change a potential 15mm pipe and then hooking it up to Severn Trent outside stop? thanks !

[@gordonalexander1639]

Hi James......love your videos well good......and helpful.......just a quick one....I have a water meter on the wall in side my house.....it's installed horizontally is it possible to change it to vertically.....thanks

[@mrbb2768]

What is the best system to boost my 13 bedroom hotel.all on 1 floor?

[@Cablesmith]

Great demonstration 👌🏼

[@kevind7150]

Fitted and linked two 450ltr Stuart Turner water accumulators. In a property Feeding two 300ltr Megaflo's. Got another one to fit. Good bit of kit.

[@simonmander4314]

Hi James. Quick question - how was the mains static pressure (before the booster) in the attic 7 bar, when earlier it was 4bar at outside tap test? Cheers mate!

[@plumberparts]

The 4 bar test was off the back of a combination valve...which made me realise it had gone wrong as it should have been at 3.5bar!

[@simonmander4314]

@@plumberparts thanks. Great vid as usual 👍

[@bravefish1000]

Hey @plumberparts. Two questions. If you have a pump, what's the precharge pressure needed in the mainsboost. Also, is this connected before or a whole house Harvey softener

[@Gixer750pilot]

Did you get giddy being over 6’ mate 😂. What about Emily ? Is it now bumhead approved?

[@mikewhiskee3498]

Planning to install at home. How much 22mm pipework is needed after the tank before it drops to 15mm? Is there a minimum distance? Thanks in advance if anyone can help

[@Iggy4470]

Hiya thanks for the vid, good info, I am not a plumber but I do understand the basic principles of how this system works, what you don't explain is how long this extra water storage lasts for, while in use, for instance if the washing machine is on, the toilet as been flushed and someone is in the shower how long would it last before the extra water pressure is all used up? please don't say how long is a piece of string, it depends on how many items are drawing water etc, for instance if the expansion tank roughly holds 60L and the pressure is 3bar how long would it take to use that amount of water and the old pressure would be back to normal, the reason I ask is that I have a large family and my shower is on constantly for at least 90 minutes or more each morning, I'm not sure that this device would be of any benefit to me. thanks in advance for any reply.

[@Alexnse10]

Hi James or any other people in the know, I am having a unvented system installed, to save digging up my drive to up the size of the incoming mains could I install one of these vessels ?

[@abdulh63]

for the install that you did, did you have to run a cold main pipe to the loft to the combination valve without it being tee'd anywhere like the sink, bathrooms etc? but only feed them after the combination valve.

[@chandreshvarsani2190]

Am I right in thinking that his can be installed in any part of the house with an accessible 15mm water to be in series with he cold water in the rest of the houses provided the regulator are installed before the tank?

[@paulsimonhorrocks5830]

Hi James, great video, I have had a stuart turner mainsboost Flomate fitted which has definitely helped the water pressure in the shower. The pump is located in the kitchen cupboard and is causing quite a bit of noise in the bathroom and 1st bedroom, any ideas? Is it just the water flowing through the pipes? Cheers James

[@Midnight-tornado86]

Hi I’m gonna fit ones of these in my house but won’t it only work on anything that is connected after the boost. What about taps ect that are connected before the pipe reaches the loft? Thanks

[@steveprice9462]

Hi, every one refers to combi boilers. Could you do a video on condensing boilers and cover the basics....even if only to say its the same or different as a combi boiler. EG how do you turn off the hot water supply to change a kitchen tap with such a condensing boiler.Thanks.

[@topherut]

What size is your cylinder? How long before the contents of the cylinder is empty? Great vid.

[@Alan.Moffat]

That face though 😂😂😂

[@gkip1890]

How is it boosting both the hot and cold water?

[@mariotommadich4685]

Does this work for hot water in non pressurised systems (with header tank in the attac) too, or would I be better off installing a shower pump to boost my hot water pressure?

[@asadahmed9341]

Hi James, what’s the cost for installing this Pump (material + labour) any recommendations for installer?

[@aamargill]

Great video, can I ask if you would recommend running 22mm pipe throughout rather than 15mm to the taps and shower?

[@JoshRPoole]

Can these be used on a unvented cylinder

[@osal716]

How loud is the pump in the loft, do you have a video of what it sounds like running next to it? Can you hear it outside the loft?

[@DaddyBear3000]

what size tank did you use in the test case. Just thinking about what size to install in our one bathroom, two bed flat.

[@user-xh3lh9ck3t]

How much does this system roughly cost fully installed? We have noticed ever decreasing flow/pressure in our house over the years and have 3 bathrooms and a unvented hot water system. So I’m hoping something like this could rectify our issue

[@brucesguitardemos8197]

Are these also known as acumaltors ( excuse my spelling ) great videos

[@ep91monster]

Hi James, quick question. Would you recommend one of these systems or a salamander home boost pump? Its a combi system, no water tanks. Cold mains is a bit on the.. Mehh side. Only have 1 bathroom and 1 kitchen but when running a bath and a kitchen taps opened the flow drops right off. 15mm mains pipe. All the pipeworks a mess in the house atm with 3 stop cocks stashed away so I'll be ripping those out but there large stop cocks, not the small isolating valves so i don't think they would really affect flow thattt much. Keep up the excellent videos mate, good to see you and Roger working together over on skill builders channel too 👍🏼

[@stuwoac]

I would also like to know this as Im on a 15mm mains and the bathroom struggles, I also dont have room for this size of tank. so would like to know my options

[@craigwatson7692]

Personally if you have the room for it, mainsboost from stuart Turner is a better option, The salamander is ok but they are limited to 12 litres of water per minute, which is ok but not great, as with any pump, they are noisy, require a power supply and they can fail at any time. The mainsboost though has no moving parts so less to go wrong, they make no noise, require no power supply and have no restrictions on flow rates. Before you jump to getting one though, look at why you have poor flow, definitely sort the 3 stop taps out, countless times I've been to houses where a new stop tap is fitted above the main one only to find the main tap has snapped and only turned half way on. Also check the boundary stop tap is fully on. Forgot to add, the mainsboost is only suitable if your static pressure is above 2bar so best get that tested too

[@craigwatson7692]

@@stuwoac have a look on stuart Turner's website, they offer pumped mainsboost systems designed to fit within a kitchen unit. Yes you need power supply and they are noisy but you get a much better flow rate than what you get with the salamander. But before you get something like this fitted, check for reasons why you have poor flow rates as mentioned in my comment above.

[@ep91monster]

@@craigwatson7692 cheers for the reply buddy, the plumbing in this house is a nightmare to be honest so first port of call is to remove all these unnecessary stop taps and see if flow improves. I highly doubt it will, but before i jump into getting one of these systems i will give it a test. Basic plumbing is fine with me but when it comes to systems like this, i prefer to get plumbers insight before i throw money down the drain. Plasterings my thing lol. I can see the benefit of the salamander being that its just a small unit i can hide easy, but as you say, its obviously an electric pump so will fail sooner than a mechanical diaphragm system like this stuart turner. Luckily i could fit one up in the loft which is totally unused atm. First thing i thought of was the pavement tap half closed but it's fully open. I was hoping for an easy fix there but, never the way is it 😂

[@jamesbroughton4777]

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[@Nickbaldeagle02]

The Salamander HomeBoost has already won this battle.

[@Chris-vc6bn]

Jesus bloody fantastic I need one, thanks for a great demo 👍👍👍

[@martindorrance8133]

Hi James. I assume this is no good for a gravity fed system? My gravity fed hot water system is made worse by the new fangled 10 mm flexy hose tap connectors, any advice for this?

[@vaderaguk]

Hi @plumberparts - great video! We're on an unvented system and looking to get one of these installed. Couple of questions - 1. Does it make a difference where the vessel is installed? We're hovering around 2 bar on our system with the cylinder in the loft, presumably that'll be a bit lower up in the loft? Would that be sufficient 2. Is there any difference between the Stuart Turner Mainsboost and other accumulator vessels in principle or is it just a brand? Thank you!

[@arjunkeshwal1552]

Hi James, Great video for boosting main water pressure. I have graverty feed system with cylinder, can I fit this system on my graverty system? Also is it possible for your to send link for the complete booster system. Many thanks.

[@jpr207]

do you just replace the small pressure vessel that comes with the sealed hotwater cylinder with a larger vessel to increase the hot water pressure

[@louistaylor8808]

Hi mate, could you please touch on boiler stoves and how one could run rads off of it safely please

[@Daemiex]

i just googled for the price lolz i think ill just make do, cant justify the price

[@theyoungchevalier]

How can this be applied to a system which has a hot water tank which has an immersion heater in an open tank ?

[@Sarries-fh7ri]

Wicked vid, you possibly are the best social media plumber on the net, keep them coming sir king James of Watertown👍

[@mattweston7581]

How come at 15.20 you show 2 bar ish when you "opened" the gate valve then at 15.30 when you opened the valve fully it dropped to 0.5 bar again like in the first test Please reply how much commission they gave you to promote their product

[@alexmorris9532]

Yeah thats weird

[@robinwigley1996]

Run a bath can it refill quick or is that when you need a pump bit like the megaflow great vid

[@bibzo1]

hi .so can it just tap into the 15 mm existing? I only have 15mm all over the house?

[@JoeFoster]

Does it have to be the first item after mains in or can it be put anywhere in the system?

[@y002cjw]

I have been doing a bit of work on my plumbing recently and biggest revalation was that the bore on the 22mm mains inlet is slightly smaller than the bore of the 15mm plastic pipe!!

[@DunkiSTI]

Top notch video James. Have fitted these and they are the dogs 🌰🌰 👍

[@SteS]

Great video James. Would this boast pressure for an indirect hot water system? I'm a little confused how it would work.

[@peterryan7827]

Just curious to know if this will give people with electric showers a problem, those mini tanks inbuilt.will they be ok under this new higher pressure? triton,are they ok with this.

[@DunkiSTI]

Only 3 bar. No prob

[@davidoshea1536]

Great video 🌟

[@plumberparts]

Cheers dude!

[@itstocamaisieb]

First

[@TheRealblumbers]

Great for a house not so great for a Flat 💦

[@dakzer55]

funny how your partner wasn't very impressed with all this 😂. Great video 👍👌

[@benhamlin2208]

I want to become a plumber but I’m not sure weather to go to college or get an apprenticeship. Which should I do James thanks 😁

[@adeeldar9118]

college

[@phillipbull3673]

If u run the taps for long enough will the expansion tank run low on pressure..e.g if the mains supply can't fill it fast enough will it eventually drop off?

[@StuartTurnerLtdHenleyonThames]

If the vessel gets depleted you'll revert back to the pressure and flow after the Monobloc connection. If the incoming pressure is really low you could consider having a charger pump on the system too. Details on these can be found here: www.stuart-turner.co.uk/our-products/mainsboost

[@Rondjrocket]

Brilliant video and looks like a good bit of kit flow improvement is impressive.

[@richardhodgson7443]

Awesome video James, thanks buddy, they really help.. as a trainee 🙏