How to get an AMAZING Tune -- Tuning JB's 5" Quad

This video is a collaboration with the one and only Joshua Bardwell. He send me his iFlight Cedora for a tune; being gracious enough to do a collaboration with me. Key things, IN ORDER, you need for an AMAZING tune.
Joshua's original tuning session on this quad: • Betaflight 4.2 in dept...
Joshua's and my collaboration on the tune: • Betaflight Perfect PID...
0:00 - What we are tuning.
1:13 - First flight impressions
4:10 - What a GREAT quad looks like in Blackbox
7:30 - Minimizing your filters
11:00 - Setting the PD Balance slider
14:30 - Setting the P & D Gain slider
15:10 - TUNING PROCESS SUMMARY!
17:35 - Check out the Adjustments
21:25 - Stick Response slider and Rates recommendations
23:20 - Some more ADVANCED tuning parameters
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Tuning Steps -- BY PRIORITY!:
#1 - Have a really sound mechanical quad with LOW mechanical or electrical vibrations.
p.s.: I'm really impressed with the iFlight Cedora! I know JB is as well. If you want to pick one up:
* RaceDayQuads - bit.ly/2IrGetV​
* GetFPV - bit.ly/2VRsCA8​
* Banggood - bit.ly/30tpuN7
#2 - see #1
#3 - see #1
#4 - Minimize your filters: If you gave credence to #1, #2, & #3 above, you can setup your filters as I have shown in this video and it gets you off to a GREAT start! Hence why #1, #2, & #3 are so important.
#5 - Get your PD Balance squared (11:00)
#6 - Push up your P and D Gain slider till you hear a trilling oscillation and then back down 2 or 3 clicks of the slider (14:30)
THAT'S IT. REALLY JUST 4 EASY STEPS!
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[@WrongWayFPV]

I don't comment a lot on your channel, but you have really taught me how to tune. The difference between stock and tuned is night and day imo. After following all of you tutorials, my flying has greatly improved due to having locked in Quads.. Thanks for putting in all the hard work and explaining it to us in way that's easy to understand. You're the man!!

[@sleepingbearffg5008]

Yep the man!! I can't fallow all his advice.. lol hate computers..

[@uavtech]

@@sleepingbearffg5008 PID sliders will be in the OSD in 4.3! :-) No computers.

[@abc57911]

Me too. 🥰

[@MadDragon75]

I just Subcribed through J B's channel so I haven't watched enough here to know if I will. But... I totally get why. I do the same on J B's channel. When your questions get answers and you don't need to add anything to help.. There isn't much to say about it at that point. All topics covered. That's one sign your in the right place for answers.

[@mikaelbackstrom]

Great concept. Was fun seeing you both.

[@KenjiFPV]

Mark, you’re a blessing to the community! Thanks for all you do!

[@princesfpvdrones]

Ah, just came over from Bardwell's video! Some real gems of knowledge. Your tuning of my 12s quad is so awesome and really takes my tuning to the next level!

[@k.r.3791]

The most Tune-tastic channel on KZbin!! That was great mate, thanks a lot :)

[@cineflight1171]

Great Job!!! Love your content and the new website!

[@baggszilla]

This just opened up a whole new world for me and my quad. Thanks Mark.

[@DANKFPV]

Couldn't have dropped this video at a better time! Thanks✌

[@ag.page.]

Finally I fee like I can tune my quads and everything in one video! Thank you for making this video!!!

[@The_Eric_Allen]

That tune is amazing. I wish I could get dialed in like that. I'm trying to learn. Great work sir!

[@ClareFPV]

Amazing video and great explanation. Thank you Mark.

[@1001hey1001]

Amazing job tuning the quad! I learned a bunch. Now to attempt to apply it to the new 6s drone I am in the process of building

[@skyweaver3199]

Man I just want to say thank you. For how much you give us all.

[@kmarlow1]

Awesome video! I love JB's videos, I watch them all. But you have definitely given me the best understanding of tuning out of anyone I have watched. I'm no pro, but it's so much easier once you understand what's going on. Thank you!

[@Ksmeex]

Fantastic video, subscribed to your site after seeing this and Bardwell's take on your tune.

[@YotaGuy_Kyle]

Thank you sir. I appreciate the order breakdown of how to start tuning. Great comparison or tuning by feel VS. by the blackbox. 👍🏻

[@scu-dub]

I absolutely love how in depth you can get in this hobby I CANT WAIT TO GET MY FIRST QUAD!!!!🤗 and when you have guru's like this it really makes everything sensible 👍✌ FANTASTIC VID MAN!

[@jlarson42]

Very interesting and informative video. I've learned a lot watching your videos. I used your basic slider tuning vids on my kwads. After watching this I think I'll dig into the black box logs. Happy tuning. 🤓

[@toddspeck9415]

Super impressive!

[@Kajedkid]

Awesome video and collab. Looking forward to a how to video with the new sliders.

[@DVJiMATT]

I'm sure I speak for all those watching when I say we appreciate your time. Thank you.

[@marknash7113]

As a new pilot, I was looking for someone who could explain PID controller tuning. Excellent job! The order, priority and what improves lag time was a great summary that has given me confidence to dive in. Keep them coming.

[@lordango]

Very informative video as always! Those motor sounds so good. I wish I can my motors sound like that.

[@SkyPilotFPV]

Nice tune mate!!

[@madprops526]

Nice work!

[@squaddingquads]

unbelieve job man , im using your pre-sets plus my own limited understand and wow, thank you

[@NunoFlyer]

Awesome video, good work my friend.

[@ferfpvbcn]

Awesome work! 🍻🍻

[@DavidTaghehchian]

You are amazing. Thank you for breaking it down to setting filters then PD ratio etc.. the PD ratio bit is something I never understood and always just flew stock pics because I got sick of chasing my tail with pid adjustments. I also underestimated the value of the sliders.

[@gozillasin9934]

Agree! 2nd battery strap is must have item who always push myself to the best performance.

[@farmerboyfpv3637]

Hey man loved the video. I subed and look forward to more content! Thanks

[@h2o-fpv623]

great video and thank u.

[@WavyHertZFPV]

awesome !

[@PIDtoolbox]

Great interview with JB! I wondered when you’d be on his channel.

[@AGILISFPV]

Nice job!

[@casper01]

Mark, thanks for teaching us how to tune our toys mate - you sir are a legend 🦸🦸 new scribe 👍

[@daverips_]

First time I flew Actual rates with center stick sensitivity at 10 I thought I was in angle mode haha!! Crazy how smooth it makes it the sticks. I'm liking around 40-80 I've found.

[@wackywezfpv9335]

This was really good, I’m learning so much from your vids, it would be really cool to see the same exersize on a 7”, 9” and X class to see what the differences are , a selfish request as I have an XL9 (9”) and I am struggling to get the wobbles out of it, keep up the excellent work.

[@pirateradioFPV]

I agree, BF FF has been good since 4.20 and the actual rates allow one to utilize it to the maximum. To me the default works pretty good but you do need to tweak the ff_boost to match your quads weight and prop to make it feel right. But once you get it right the first time, there’s no going back 🤷‍♂️

[@levizippyfpvthompson6941]

Darn you good,,, great job 🍻👊

[@KenjiFPV]

Wow...I have an apex which doesn’t have much frame resonance....I just copied these settings and flew my quad!! WOW!! Friggin amazing...light years ahead of all other firmware

[@Kl79uk]

Really enjoy your vid's Mark, I'm learning each time. Not actually got to tuning yet but hope to learn by you're site and vid's and then when lockdown lifts giving it all a go. Thanks.

[@MYGiTHSE]

Would love to see a kiss quad tune video someday :D But really .. really nice explained ^_^ Keep up the good work!

[@uavtech]

I have a NEW KISS FC just received last week, don't ya know.

[@MYGiTHSE]

@@uavtech Ohh i can't wait!! :D

[@oneperspective8601]

This is the teacher that explains why instead just how to do something

[@gmivisualsjason3729]

What a genius!!!

[@kwadkrazy6078]

Truly. There's so much going on behind the scenes inside these drones, it's incredible

[@uavtech]

@@kwadkrazy6078 flying computers. Literally.

[@RemcosFPV]

Sweet

[@Switch180fpv]

Real pro I will try to follow thank you

[@peteyyboyyy93]

good song

[@MadDragon75]

I see a Race Day Quads strap. I'm expecting 4 whoop frames and a AIO FC from them today :) . Three days and it was in my hometown post office. (Yes I did tip them, everyone should ;).

[@marcocristalli]

Congratulation for your knowledge and you detailed videos! Thank you so much! Would be awesome see your tune on a cinematic drone like the new Beta95X V3. ;)

[@chrismillersrcfamily]

JB sent me. 👍🏼👍🏼

[@m.santana4162]

Awesome, I got this same exact quad only difference is I got a gopro 8 on it w/ lower pitch props.

[@hector-fpv]

Really nice piece of information as always Mark. If I got it right, this kind of tuning process will give you the best flying freestyle quad right? I'd be amazing to see a similar process of you tuning for a more smooth approach, like getting rid of oscilations and getting the best possible quality footage and all that stuff (maybe this is a dumb thought tho) Well, anyway, thanks for your work!!

[@SkySeeker]

Awesome, so many insights!! You have not commented the *motor* traces, are you not concerned by motors saturation? At 13:36 motor [1] is maxing out which could lead to inconsistent flight, right?

[@MarkKunoff]

Very helpful and so appreciated! Background music is simply too loud, and requires adjustment when it’s just your voice. Drop the music volume by -3-4 dB - should be good. I’ll be joining your Patreon!

[@sleepingbearffg5008]

I agree with Wrong Way.. if flying in snow I duct tape up electronics. Stopping from getting stuffed with snow when you crash. It's cold out so doesn't heat up.. for me but I don't push birds has hard as some. Lol yep your the man!

[@Vizr]

Awesome video. I asked about a KISS vs. BetaFlight comparison video awhile back. You responded that you would share your thoughts on this. Hopefully it’s coming soon?

[@uavtech]

I have my KISS fc now. :-)

[@Vizr]

@@uavtech Did you go Flyduino or Fettec? Man I’m hyped now lol

[@uavtech]

Fettec. An avid KISS users and supporter said they were the same as the KISS V2.

[@Vizr]

@@uavtech I only run Fettec. Great choice 👌🏼

[@RealKushrage]

This thing is flying absolutely great. Do you have a video where you explain all the filters and what they are doing? And a video on every single setting in the pid tab? Because I just change all this stuff by feeling until it fly ok but I do not really now what I´m changing there xD

[@uavtech]

PIDs tab: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qnzbo3R5gbKjprc kzbin.info/www/bejne/g2WUl3WXhNqXntU Filters: kzbin.info/aero/PLcYNkvInloJEGjfuF6j-v-8Ihiqac9COU

[@uavtech]

And don't forget I try to like to the the best brief content on theuavtech.com/fundamentals

[@RealKushrage]

@@uavtech Very nice :) thank you so much

[@snakefich]

Thanks Mark, another cool vid, is it possible to filter out light video lines in the video feed?

[@uavtech]

it is electrical noise. So yes, if you put a capacitor on the electrical feed on the camera or VTX, OR both.

[@snakefich]

@@uavtech thanks Mark, Happy Flying

[@tshirtfactory07]

Mark, this is awesome! Thanks so much! Just recently began following, although I had inadvertently watched several of your videos in the past. Would emuflight be an even simpler process, due to the lack of filter sliders? I apologize if this is a dumb or incomplete question.... im 10 months into the hobby and just now venturing beyond stock tunes and emu presets

[@uavtech]

I would say emu is harder for a lack of sliders. Everything needs to be set manually and you need to keep ratios in mind because the sliders are not there to hold them for you.

[@tshirtfactory07]

@@uavtech thanks Mark. I think im going to take the Patreon Plunge (just coined it, feel free to use it 😆) and really dive in. Im absolutely lost in these videos dealing with Blackbox graphs and cell data... but I think, just as with the rest of this hobby, that familiarization will bring understanding. Thanks for the incredibly timely response! Super cool of you!

[@tshirtfactory07]

@@uavtech hey mark.... can you make any fairly quick recommendations as to how I can achieve that "flight one feel" in Emu or Betaflight?

[@tshirtfactory07]

I realize this might be asking a very broad question.... if so, I apologize

[@uavtech]

Tune like shown here and use F1 rates. F1 uses high gains. I think their FF is weaker, but still need to confirm. SimMode is some fixed amount of FF. SimMode off is no FF.

[@trianglesky380]

Hi Mark I got your link from Joshua, Im so glad I found your channel and website. Im trying to do your exact tunne since I got the cidora also. But on my betaflight 4.2.5 in the independent filter settings the Gyro rpm filter does not show, I only have the gyro lowpass filter, the gyro notch filter, the dynamic notch filter, D term lowpass, D term notch and yaw lowpass but no gyro rpm filters settings show.

[@uavtech]

Turn on Bi-Directional Dshot in Configuration tab. Make sure not errors when you spin up motors in Motors tab.

[@TheSnow520lee]

Thanks Mark for your amazing videos. In general, which slider is helping to reduce bubbles in smooth linear flight?

[@uavtech]

Bobbles are mechanical issues. You can do your best to cover them up, but may never.be.100% happy. Maybe try adding D_min to suppress D-term in forward flight. But it will.make wash performance a little worse.

[@TheSnow520lee]

@@uavtech ok I will try that... I got this on a Diatone Taycan MCX with 4.1.2. One I moved to 4.2.5 those “bubbles” are much less noticeable but still there when I’m not touching the sticks in straight flight.

[@uavtech]

First make sure RPM filters are enabled wit Dynamic Notch too. Set Dyn Notch Max to 600. Try filter sliders are 1.0 and my Toothpic Presets for PIDs.

[@TheSnow520lee]

@@uavtech great!! Thanks again!

[@TomicaCZ]

Nice video! I have question about those gloves you have. What are those? And what are those made of? And is it comfortable enough to fly with them? I hate winter because of frozen fingers, but these look like they can help with that.

[@uavtech]

Just cotton gloves. They are ok. They impede at little, but it is better than not flying. If too cold, still 4min feels like a long time. Worth a shot for $5 or $10.

[@TomicaCZ]

@@uavtech Oh, ok. They look like so slik.... like some nano-tech sh*t :-D Thanks for replay and all the things you are doing for the community :)

[@MUNKYFPV]

Great tune and explanation thanks 👍 I’m wondering if the yaw movement at 20:50 is similar to something I experience once in a while with my FrSky QX7. I’ll start flying and notice the quad slowly rolling to the right, not by much but annoying and I have to power cycle the radio to fix it. It’s happened with the radio’s internal tx, R9 and crossfire module, it’s like the stick calibration is out on the radio.

[@uavtech]

Increasing deadband sorted it out.

[@MUNKYFPV]

@@uavtech Yeah I read that in the video and tbh It happens so infrequently over the past few years that I’m not looking to fix it but I find it odd that it’s always right roll for me, regardless of quad and power cycling the radio fixes it. Then again there’s so many potential points of failure in our hobby I find it amazing we even get into the air when I really think about it 😂

[@benstevens4825]

Really curious what blheli settings you used here. Every pidtune video i see, i wonder if anything has been done on the esc side.

[@MaDeCFPV]

flip and roll tune guy.

[@HoltBlackheathFPV]

My quad is on the heavier side, around 780g. I don't know what to look out for in comparison to this video. Do heavier quads need a more aggressive P/D balance?

[@malinhiles]

Great looking tune at the end! Curious as to why you decided to keep d_min disabled while still incorporating a good amount of feedforward. Is that a specific choice for this quad, or do you tend to keep d_min disabled with FF under ~200?

[@uavtech]

I go to D max for the best performance. At that point boosting D sends it over the limit. Also, D_min is delayed in booting so does hot help with prop wash.

[@malinhiles]

@@uavtech copy that. So once you have dialed in a p-d balance, do you add a little more d_max to help balance the addition of FF?

[@argyleskyfpv461]

Great video Mark. Do you think a tune similar to this ( or all the exact changes you did to Josh's kwad) will get similar results on a 4s kwad on betaflight 4.1.0. Cidora sl5 frame brand new t motor f60 pro4 2550kv motors zeez f7 flight stack

[@uavtech]

Yup, as long as the vibrations are low like JB's quad.

[@argyleskyfpv461]

@@uavtech awesome thank you

[@TRITONFPV]

I would love to use your tuning services 😉

[@TRITONFPV]

Im serious 👍🏻

[@apagonarms]

I’m about to have you tune my wind5 and arrow 3 since you’re local lol

[@tehllama42]

I'd love to see that as a series, especially if you have some of you flying stock, some of you trying a 2-pack DIY tune, then flying it, and finally Mark getting it tuned up.

[@apagonarms]

@@tehllama42 I'd be honored at the opportunity. Don't have to ask twice lol.

[@smichaelsilcox]

How much to tune my drone? Lol but seriously. Im just struggling. I seem to make it worse the more I touch it. Ill keep watching. Thank you for you knowledge.

[@uavtech]

krunkedquads.com

[@backwoodsfpv265]

hey i followed this method of tuning, and got my quad flying really amazing, but when i try to land, or accidentally bump the ground, it really yips harder than i would like. motors are cooler than miles davis. my question is, i know bringing the d term down should help that, but i was curious if just bringing the PD balance back from 1.2 to like 1 and then increasing the pd gain til my d term is back where it is now would also help that, i.e. does more p have a similar effect as lowering the D?

[@csaltfpv7577]

Some of your presets include set pid sum limits =1000; can you explain or point me to a video that describes this feature? Did you include that setting on JB's quad? Thanks.

[@zaidshoifullah1]

its ok when i put big caps like 2200uf on esc? bigger caps or small is better?

[@uavtech]

Big is better. HOWEVER, quality matters the most. Panasonic, etc... Get a same brand. Low ESR is key.

[@WKfpv]

I just woke up the moment you said have I lost you yet?

[@dmitry.murashenkov]

Is it possible to tune filters without blackbox? Many AIO FCs used on toothpicks don't have blackbox at all. Are there any guidelines on what to do with filters in this case?

[@uavtech]

See kzbin.info/www/bejne/npivhotrqryUhKs for no blackbox

[@STEDDiEFPV]

Hey Mark, I don’t know what to look at here, I’m pretty good with tuning by looking at bb logs, but something is stomping me. My quad flies very smooth until there is any type of breeze / wind. Then it starts shaking a lot, like MTOs but quite pronounced. And I’m not talking about very windy conditions, but some nice warm summer breeze. What should I look at? It’s driving me nuts.

[@markiemark7018]

I have the same problem

[@Rexinator12345]

Question? I got a pre tune iflight titan 1800kv 6s bnf. It sounds good in person but on the hero 8 it sounds like a crap tune. Sounds like the motors are over working. But again it sounds okay in person. Could that be the GoPro or the actual tune? Thanks 🙏🏻

[@frankyfrench5279]

Why don't you use Vbat PID compensation ? I understand a full lipo the quad responds much better than at empty lipo and so the tune is depending on Vbat. Is there a problem with Vbat are there negative affects ? could you do some testing ?

[@droneprofessor249]

I recall commenting sometime last year that I would love to see you tune JBs or other KZbinrs quads with your technique versus their tune to compare. I've tuned all my quads using your techniques and they all run smooth and very responsive. Although I use Blackbox to see how the gyro tracks the stick response , I find that the PID curve using PID toolbox gives much better analytical data on how well the gyro and sticks are tracking (tuned) after each PID change....the PID curve never lies....if it is over or under dampened it will show it. Is there anyway you can send me the raw BlackBox data from JBs tune and your tune so I can see what the PID curve looks like for both?

[@robertlunatic]

Hi sir! Do you have any good presets for a nazgul evoque f6? Im flying it with twin blades and i feel a lot of oscilations when ingo on low throttle or getting ready to land.. have no clue how to tune that out

[@rokg12]

Do you might know some persone in EU who is in that have the same tuning skils as you have? Thanks - Hello from Slovenia EU :)

[@airdronelongford2027]

Was P/D balance slider on 1.0 not too high? From my experience with that little filters delay my slider is usually at 0.8 sometimes even on 0.7 without overshoot. Just curious 🤚

[@uavtech]

Yeah, but not on this quad. I generally agree though.

[@sleepingbearffg5008]

Forgot if I send you my fleet.. perhaps you'll tune?😂🤣😂🤣🤘😇 God bless

[@robertdavis3788]

You have a set of rates that someone new to flying could use as a foundation to start freestyle on and build on?

[@daniele8776]

Looking forward to tune my Source1 for midrange 1700kv on 4s and 6s. What would be the difference on PIDs if running two different profiles for 4s and 6s? I means how much higher pids would be on 4s?

[@uavtech]

Hard to say. I reckon it will influence PD Balance and P and D Gain slider extents. Both Balance will need to be lower in 4S and P and D Gain higher.

[@pav2k]

Now make the same video with mr. steel on betaflight :)

[@ChrisBell04]

Is this really an iFlight Cidora SL5-E? Why isnt the target IFRC/IFLIGHT_SUCCEX_E_F4? In both this and JB video, the target goes between FPVM/BETAFLIGHTF4 and AIRB/OMNIBUSF45D. Otherwise quite helpful guidance for tuning, as usual with your videos. I tried these exact settings on my SL5-E and it took off uncontrolled right after arming... back to the defaults and progressive tuning.

[@uavtech]

It was. For JB's video we were looking at setting on my bench FC since he had the Cidora.

[@sylvanlight120]

Any advice for folks like me who learned on 800 degrees/second with no expo, in regards feed forward... I'm now at a point in BF of about 1.95 BF rates with 0.44 super rate and 0.12 rc expo... But unless I turn FF down, it still is rediculous at centre stick! Do I need to rewrite my 5 years muscle memory to get the most from BF, or do I just keep FF lowered?

[@sylvanlight120]

Great video BTW... How much does JB's quad weigh?

[@BikeGuyFPV]

21:00 most likely your RC output in the radio isn't set correctly. You'd most likely need to adjust mid-trim within the radio for yaw or any axis that isn't showing 1500 in BF or whichever firmware is being used.

[@jessefpv4949]

I feel like I've learn alot. Om your channel.. but my kwad feels floaty?? Is there anything that can fix that

[@uavtech]

Increase P and D Gain slider.

[@rubenvaneupen7327]

Would it by a bad idea to have filter settings linked with PID profile settings (with filter tabs having as many profiles as there are PID profiles)? So you can set different profile/filter combos at home and then go out and try them one by one?

[@uavtech]

They should be. D-term.filter are, but Gyro filter are.not yet. Just takes someone to do the work and submit as PR.

[@rubenvaneupen7327]

@@uavtech D term filters are? Only internally as an option then, 'cuz in user interface there is no way to select filter profiles, right?

[@uavtech]

D-term filters are stored in the selected PID profile. Gyro filter are not since those filters use tp run in the gyro loop. That was changed in 4.2, but someone needs to change storage location which has not been done yet.

[@rubenvaneupen7327]

@@uavtech I see, thanks for that info. I never inferred that from the gui, but I guess that's because some work need to be done in that area still. Looking forward to it!

[@mefiate]

Bonjour c dommage qu'il ni ai pas de sous titre en français Je comprend un peu mais c dur de suivre toute la vidéo , car sa a l'air vraiment intéressant .. Good job quand même 👍

[@starsstripesjacket]

I just built a hexacopter and am about to start tuning it, it's my first hex and only the 3rd quad I've tuned. Are there any differences to tuning a hex vs quad that I need to keep in mind?

[@uavtech]

All the same.

[@starsstripesjacket]

@@uavtech thank you :)

[@dreamawayyourpain]

Thanks a lot! But does it fly better now? )

[@uavtech]

See JB's video (link in description).

[@pokiou]

i'm so lost.. so what is the first thing you should do when tuning a fresh quad with betaflight tuning on it. the first step... I want my quad to be alot tighter i feel on the turns it slides before it "grips" and turns.

[@uavtech]

See theuavtech.com/tuning for more resources

[@explosivefruits]

Should VBat compensation be turned off when tuning or just in general

[@uavtech]

Off or on should be ok.

[@3eggerfpv397]

That was fascinating! I fly emuflight, and basically use stock PID'S with a preset, and the freestyle dynamic rates off the emuflight wiki. Why? Because I can't tune jack sh#$!

[@MadVultureFPV]

How about this gloves? Can you share the link? Looking for something good to fly in Canada during winter 🥶