How to Hook a Bowling Ball

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Brandon Gill

Brandon Gill

Күн бұрын

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@jeremybrannon7077
@jeremybrannon7077 2 ай бұрын
Best tutorial I have seen. Especially for someone with ADHD.
@benjaminhenry6882
@benjaminhenry6882 10 жыл бұрын
One of the best tutorials I've seen on this subject, on you tube.
@ds-nb4ln
@ds-nb4ln 6 жыл бұрын
I'm studying the subject and discovered a great website at Berts Bowls Guide (check it out on google)
@joshuahebert7405
@joshuahebert7405 5 жыл бұрын
Out of all the videos I wantched on this topic this is the only one that really helped me and saw immediate results. THANK YOU
@pseltoro4
@pseltoro4 5 жыл бұрын
I've only bowled a few times in my life but I give this video my seal of approval and highest recommendation.
@jeffdiethart2366
@jeffdiethart2366 7 жыл бұрын
Awesome "Bowling 101" video. Every 10-year-old should watch this.
@AntariMysteec
@AntariMysteec 10 жыл бұрын
As a silver coach I'd like to commend the maker of this video. You do not need to "force" the ball to hook. Proper release will allow you hook without having to snap your hand over / around the ball. A few points to add: 1) Point 4 in this video is very important; let the ball fall in your swing. Do not try to throw the ball; let your body and timing control the speed through a free swing. 2) Let your bowling shoulder drop as you start the approach to help your body at the end to be in position for release behind the ball. Notice the bowler's dropped shoulder on approach through release. This bowler has great body position to demonstrate it. 3) Rotate the bowling hand open on the back swing. If you were to pull the thumb out of your ball at the top of the swing it should point towards the sky (not necessarily straight up) This will help keep the arm straight and get the hand in the proper position behind the ball on release. This bowler is not doing that but is able to get a nice release without it. 4) Start the acceleration (add muscle) only towards the bottom of the swing and through the follow through. I tell my students to feel the "load" build on the thumb. When the hand is in the proper position, once the thumb is released the weight will quickly shift to the finger tips and cause a "snap" on the rotation. You need to be accelerating at this point and following through to get the maximum rotation on the ball. 5) As they say in the video... You need "time" and lots of practice. This is easy mechanics once you learn it, but it will feel funky as you learn. People have a tendency to think bowling is "easy" but it's a skill that needs to be built. Not only do you need to build skill, but you'll need to build muscle and muscle memory. (or unlearn bad habits) On a proper release you should see a low access rotation on the ball (not looking like a helicopter and it should "appear" to accelerate as it starts into the hook through into the roll. You do not need to force the ball to hook, normal mechanics will cause the most powerful hook you can create without "funky" hand / wrist mechanics. Very well done. Thanks.
@alexanderthehunter7435
@alexanderthehunter7435 7 жыл бұрын
AntariMysteec i just throw the ball any way
@MrKenstar2
@MrKenstar2 7 жыл бұрын
you have way too much time to write a comment this long. Go on a date!
@bachcottage-ck8tl
@bachcottage-ck8tl 6 жыл бұрын
I 100% agree I'm a bowler. Everyone thinks it's all about power, if you power it the pins explode and you don't get enough pin action. People don't understand that power is not the key
@JunlinYan
@JunlinYan 6 жыл бұрын
I save the video to my watch list because of this comment. Thanks.
@joebertucci813
@joebertucci813 6 жыл бұрын
AntariMysteec sorry, but I strongly disagree with #3. That is not in bowling handbook, taught by coach, or coaches dad who was a pro in the 40-50's. In order to get to that crazy position you are teaching, one almost is forced to open and close their shoulder, risking huge injuries. Also, #3 cannot possibly assist with accuracy, so why teach that? Im a female posting on mans account. I could throw 15lbs at age 11 without opening shoulder. I could move ball 25 boards without any of that wrist play. The only wrist movement endorsed by coach was not outside in, but inside out😎. For a great example of inside out, check out Marcia Kloempken from Storm bowling. She was amazing when she was 10 and I was 7 bowling y.a.b.a. She has 3 regionals and was on team USA 2007. My coach endorsed this lady when she was a child.
@catchjamesnow
@catchjamesnow 10 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video, really helped me release the ball properly! This is one of the best videos on how to hook the ball for beginners!
@kyliegreen5434
@kyliegreen5434 9 жыл бұрын
Thank you: To the only video that explains anything.
@HookedFishin
@HookedFishin 9 жыл бұрын
yeah, it's not 100% accurate but it helps to get started
@HookedFishin
@HookedFishin 9 жыл бұрын
yeah, it's not 100% accurate but it helps to get started
@HookedFishin
@HookedFishin 9 жыл бұрын
yeah, it's not 100% accurate but it helps to get started
@Wal_9
@Wal_9 8 жыл бұрын
Ikr
@neno_e2332
@neno_e2332 8 жыл бұрын
the football is the only I'll approve of
@zuzama2
@zuzama2 8 жыл бұрын
This was fantastic! I've been bowling recreationally forever and nobody has ever explained this to me...can't wait to practice with the football & then try it out at the bowling alley!
@jennyn4413
@jennyn4413 7 жыл бұрын
Thank you. One of the few videos that is reassuring that it really ISN’T easy and takes a lot of practice. Some of the old pros casually say things like “oh just pull your thumb out first” or “it’s easy if you pretend your going in for a handshake as you throw the ball”. In theory, I get what they’re saying but this was one of the few videos that thoroughly explained it and still said (essentially) “you will suck at this for a while but if you practice you’ll get there. The other videos I watched just left me feeling stupid for not getting it. Thank you for this.
@SYN30STM
@SYN30STM 9 жыл бұрын
So far this is the best tutorial I've seen by far. Most of the pros don't know how to teach it in a video.
@browntrout3994
@browntrout3994 9 жыл бұрын
+SYN30STM he's a pro?
@browntrout3994
@browntrout3994 9 жыл бұрын
+SYN30STM one more thing. Just because someone is good at something doesnt make them a good teacher and even sometimes vice versa
@markarua1060
@markarua1060 9 жыл бұрын
+Brown Trout no one said he's a pro
@browntrout3994
@browntrout3994 9 жыл бұрын
ok he's not a pro we both agree on that one ;-)
@rudyruiz9521
@rudyruiz9521 7 жыл бұрын
I gotta disagree. The only problem I see is that I'm not allowed to switch hands and bowl lefty for certain splits or pickups as needed that would make the game much easier for me. However, these guys are allowed to bowl using both hands at the same time. It doesn't seem right to me. Does that mean I should be able to bowl left handed as long as I keep my right hand on the ball? As for cheating, I don't see it as that at all and quite frankly if it seems so easy to you, I suggest you pick it up and improve your average. I have tried it and I can assure you it isn't an advantage, it's a skill set.
@troyroebuck36
@troyroebuck36 7 жыл бұрын
That's actually really well described to be honest. The foam football idea really brings it full circle to fully understand the movement. Really this is actually a great video
@energ8t
@energ8t 6 жыл бұрын
Wow, this completely illustrated what I was doing wrong which was blocking me from what I thought was a good swing. I have not been keeping my wrist behind the ball and have been letting the ball hang from my fingers. I had one randomly good swing today (before seeing this video) and I after seeing this video, it became clear what I did right; hand/wrist behind the ball. Can’t wait to start bowling better now. Thanks so much!
@valueofphi
@valueofphi 7 жыл бұрын
Went bowling yesterday never hooked a ball in my life, asked the guy in the lane next to me how to do it since he was really good at it. He took 2 minutes to teach and show me how to do it. After about 5 tries I learned how to hook the ball onwards and outwards. I feel like this video is a little over the top
@martzy7536
@martzy7536 7 жыл бұрын
Can you tell me how to hook the ball?
@denmanfite3156
@denmanfite3156 5 жыл бұрын
I've watched a lot of videos about hooking a ball and you have some of the best camera angles and demonstrations of all of them. Cheers man. I need a small football now...
@vaxick
@vaxick 5 жыл бұрын
I'm going to have to give this a try when I go bowling tomorrow. I've never really honestly thought about releasing the ball with my hand faced forward opposed to pointed downwards.
@canefro
@canefro 10 жыл бұрын
This video rules. Helpful, informative, excellent. I am very happy that I watched it. I will take what I've learned here and go to the lanes and try it. Thanks
@jordanlampitelli3261
@jordanlampitelli3261 8 жыл бұрын
Love this turtorial, helped me get a 240 game, thanks and keep up the good work.
@raybosflorida4928
@raybosflorida4928 5 жыл бұрын
best video iv seen after 2 hrs searching,,thx!!!
@Gold274
@Gold274 7 жыл бұрын
شكرا جزاك الله خير بسببك اصرفت ٥٠ جنية من محلات البولينج
@vf12497439
@vf12497439 10 жыл бұрын
Thanks for posting this! When I was young I had a natural hook from day one. At about age 13 I broke my right wrist and ever since my natural hook disappeared. Not knowing how to do it I've always assumed it was from breaking my wrist. Well now I can practice getting a hook on my ball again.
@tronarat
@tronarat 8 жыл бұрын
finally ! thanks this helped alot I hook but wasn't consistent and I couldn't figure out why this video fixed that bravo sir you are a great man!
@mikes10ski
@mikes10ski 8 жыл бұрын
Thank you for making this, t is the first time I have found a video that actually explains it in detail
@jlynn5907
@jlynn5907 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you! I’ve been getting really frustrated and this was the best explanation I’ve seen.
@bright1fpv930
@bright1fpv930 6 жыл бұрын
This is exactly what I was looking for. As soon as you showed the 'wrong' wrist, I now know where I'm going wrong.
@boomboombowlingandadventur443
@boomboombowlingandadventur443 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing the video. Something new to work on is always a plus
@luislr9028
@luislr9028 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for uploading this video.
@muhammadfarooqkhurshid7067
@muhammadfarooqkhurshid7067 7 жыл бұрын
Best tutorial yet imo.
@JackRainfield
@JackRainfield 8 жыл бұрын
Awesome explanation! Thanks. I like the music too! I just started bowling and I found it easier to hook the ball using the no thumb style.
@X310X310X
@X310X310X 8 жыл бұрын
lol I'll tell you what. a good percentage of beginner bowlers or people who bowl occasionally do the no thumb release (with i'm sure it being cupped). not the prettiest or something to be proud of, but to each its own i guess
@JackRainfield
@JackRainfield 8 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I must have weak wrists because I can't keep my wrist in the proper position with my thumb in the ball.
@noahpennington9861
@noahpennington9861 8 жыл бұрын
Jack Rainfield there are wrist supports/braces for things like that I believe (don't quote me on it as I've never used one and aren't sure exactly if that's what they're for)
@JackRainfield
@JackRainfield 8 жыл бұрын
Thanks I'll look into the supports. I'm doing ok with no thumb however.
@martzy7536
@martzy7536 7 жыл бұрын
TheMajorBowler Yes there is. I saw some pros wearing it on one of their hands.
@mikemonday1405
@mikemonday1405 4 жыл бұрын
The mini football training tip is a game changer👍👍
@GRodPericles
@GRodPericles 9 жыл бұрын
the motion with the foam football was a great example. thanks
@jordangarza36
@jordangarza36 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you for taking the time to make this video!
@kissfl
@kissfl 7 жыл бұрын
First time watching this video. Love the song.
@MARAungabunga
@MARAungabunga 6 жыл бұрын
I'm watching this currently in a bowling center lolol. Now I'm gonna beat my fiends ass!
@daisukiibty1499
@daisukiibty1499 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much for this detailed information abd description thanks a lot this video was the one what i am searching for my next bowling game 👌
@arcadesunday4592
@arcadesunday4592 2 жыл бұрын
Nice tutorial, and I like the football practice technique. I'll be trying this out!
@uilanirivera7792
@uilanirivera7792 6 жыл бұрын
About to bowl right now ! Lol wish me luck bro
@dakotastorms1255
@dakotastorms1255 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you for posting this, will definitely try this. Finally someone giving lots of details and close ups now it doesn't look as hard as it appeared before.
@VespinKnot
@VespinKnot 7 жыл бұрын
OMG a video that actually tells you something thx
@insiderbowlingtips
@insiderbowlingtips 5 жыл бұрын
Great Bowling Tip! We Have Bowling Tips Too - We Liked Yours So We Will Be Sharing It On Our Fanpage and Website and Blog! Thank You Again!
@scrumpymanjack
@scrumpymanjack 5 жыл бұрын
Not sure about the recommendation to put your index finger in the bowling ball but other than that, it was very helpful. Thank you.
@DOONSAAVEDRA
@DOONSAAVEDRA 7 жыл бұрын
Muchas gracias por compartir estos trucos, saludos desde Chile
@msolid13
@msolid13 5 жыл бұрын
The foam football is an excellent training tool. Great job.
@andylake2598
@andylake2598 6 жыл бұрын
Nice one😀 Thnx for the clear explanation 📹👍
@marianamahmassani
@marianamahmassani 9 жыл бұрын
This was very helpful. Thank you :)
@NearIbris
@NearIbris 10 жыл бұрын
Lol I'm bowling right now and watched this video. Got a strike first time trying it lmao!!! Thanks!!
@carlosartiles8
@carlosartiles8 7 жыл бұрын
very good tutorial and the music is amazing
@joeytirona8022
@joeytirona8022 5 жыл бұрын
Bro! Great video man!! Everything is coming together now. Keep it up dude!!!
@JVictoria412
@JVictoria412 5 жыл бұрын
Forced to go bowling tomorrow. Hope this helps :D
@HelloSun567
@HelloSun567 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you this has helped me alot
@noisytattoos5595
@noisytattoos5595 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks bro. Todays my daughters class feild trip gonna hace a way better time now knowing this tip
@tftrainman
@tftrainman 2 жыл бұрын
Ok so I'm currently changing my bowling style from two finger to utilizing all 3 fingers. This makes alot more sense to me seeing it in slow motion. I have actually been doing it wrong wondering why I wasn't getting any rev rates. It seems I'm trying to hard to spin the ball myself rather than letting my fingers roll it off in the natural way this shows. Once I get my new hammer black widow I'm going to be doing this drill to help myself before league starts up. Thank you for this very informative video
@BelfastBailey
@BelfastBailey 9 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this video! I am 46 and began bowling in 4th grade. I have been away from it for many years now because I just started getting bad. I've strung together 9 in a row (honestly stuck at the foul line on the first 10th frame ball...PIIIIIISSED! LOL) Anyhoo, I began overpowering the ball which resulting in poor control and less hook...I now think you have solved my other problem. I never realized (and nobody told me) I am breaking my wrist at the bottom of the swing, and it was probably gradual (which is odd). I am ready to try my hand again and will let you know the results. Sadly enough, the bowling alley in our town is up for auction, I believe, tomorrow! *sigh*
@pedrodelar28
@pedrodelar28 10 жыл бұрын
Gracias Brandon,por los tips que mencionas, el practicar y practicar hará que mejore uno. Nuevamente gracias por compartir tu experiencia.
@rosebrother94
@rosebrother94 7 жыл бұрын
I can't believe it my son teaches me how to curve I did not believe but when I watched this I was shocked I should listen to my son after all
@animeluvr6537
@animeluvr6537 8 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the tutorial! Lol this bowling alley looks like all star lanes in tooele, UT
@prettykitty4434
@prettykitty4434 2 жыл бұрын
VERY informative, thank you
@sagatbalrog
@sagatbalrog 10 жыл бұрын
good video , so whats ur bowling averagE?
@AiBilly
@AiBilly 8 жыл бұрын
@ 2:58 you do a little twist of your wrist to the right first is this how we should try ? BTW Thank you .
@dandamanisking
@dandamanisking 8 жыл бұрын
some bowlers do that, for most its almost a timing thing, also not noted in this video is that some bowlers have a semi sideways rotation, whereas some are completely sideways, IE: Pete Weber, or myself if you look at my channel, I believe I have a bowling shot or two up somewhere.
@AiBilly
@AiBilly 8 жыл бұрын
Thanx
@gregk5917
@gregk5917 8 жыл бұрын
+Billy Murray That's how you take it to the next level and create more revs, but it will be harder to be consistent and accurate. at 2:59 you can see his hand is straight when he releases - the hand direction at release is where the ball will go. I think it's easier to stay straight the whole time until I release (at that point I rotate my hand) than cock the ball like he does
@Smith-ql7wr
@Smith-ql7wr 6 жыл бұрын
taking the time to arrange the visuals along with the instruction helped; thanks.
@Jmars88
@Jmars88 8 жыл бұрын
Great video very helpful!!!
@raypan7403
@raypan7403 8 жыл бұрын
Awesome tutorial! I cant wait to try it
@10pinsneaker75
@10pinsneaker75 3 жыл бұрын
Great video! That motion at 2:58 to 2:59 what is that?
@signalsoldier
@signalsoldier 10 жыл бұрын
best video explanation thus far!! Many thanks. Cheers
@juancarlosortega7876
@juancarlosortega7876 8 жыл бұрын
Excellent tutorial! Thanks
@richardtinnea5139
@richardtinnea5139 10 жыл бұрын
I like the song playing in the video. What is the name and who sings it?????
@Edwin5590
@Edwin5590 10 жыл бұрын
Dillon Francis- without you.
@Kei2Vi
@Kei2Vi 9 жыл бұрын
Dillon Francis-Without You
@illrain4life
@illrain4life 6 жыл бұрын
Very good video great video actually
@Cjgraysc55
@Cjgraysc55 10 жыл бұрын
Great video!
@RRBuilder611
@RRBuilder611 7 жыл бұрын
I never thought to put my hand behind the ball instead of on top/ sideways. Thanks!!
@TruckerDave215
@TruckerDave215 5 жыл бұрын
Excellent video
@insiderbowlingtips
@insiderbowlingtips 5 жыл бұрын
Great Bowling Tips - Thank You For This Valuable Information. We Have Tips Too. and Will Be Share and Posting Your Videos On Our Fanpage and Websites and Blogs!
@markm.151
@markm.151 8 жыл бұрын
At 0:46 seconds it says enter your "INDEX and MIDDLE FINGER to the first knuckle" but you put your Middle Finger and Ring Finger in the holes
@trevorfryman8191
@trevorfryman8191 8 жыл бұрын
thats what u do to get the ball out easier to rotate the ball
@martzy7536
@martzy7536 7 жыл бұрын
The correct way to hold the bowling ball is to put your middle finger and ring finger inside the holes.
@adambundy3005
@adambundy3005 6 жыл бұрын
That is true lol
@RyanFrench81
@RyanFrench81 8 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the break down!
@Accumulator1
@Accumulator1 7 жыл бұрын
What videos like this never point out is that most of the weight of the grip should be on the thumb not across the palm of the hand. That is why thumb hole size and angle very important in your custom drill.
@dkwkeodud123
@dkwkeodud123 7 жыл бұрын
Awesome vid good work
@irfanbudiman2833
@irfanbudiman2833 8 жыл бұрын
10Q. good info and its help me much.
@MissJessica84
@MissJessica84 9 жыл бұрын
Great video! =)
@Dlive2005
@Dlive2005 10 жыл бұрын
Thx for video nice way to teach someone
@elementalbender11
@elementalbender11 10 жыл бұрын
great video thank you so much !!!
@hornyunicorn25
@hornyunicorn25 10 жыл бұрын
Very helpful video.
@amansamrin2945
@amansamrin2945 8 жыл бұрын
Thx for the tips.😊
@sanaab8087
@sanaab8087 7 жыл бұрын
best video ever !!
@kadynzientz4457
@kadynzientz4457 6 жыл бұрын
Very helpful in last minute bowling situations
@nicd1826
@nicd1826 9 жыл бұрын
I'm a new bowler, practicing hooking the ball, it's frustrating. when I bowl straight, I bowl my best (which still isn't good! but I am consistently scoring 120-150 now.) but when I try to hook, I'm missing the pocket and lucky to break 100. I finally figured out how to hook my joy ride just today, guess I just gotta keep practicing it. can you be a good bowler with a straight style or is hooking a must?
@Imperium83
@Imperium83 8 жыл бұрын
+BigBoy OnTheRadio I've been in the same boat, I used to consistently get between 100 and 130 straight bowling. Working on my curve I bowl as low as 85 but just recently had my best game of 211. The low scores may just be fatigue (my wrist needs rest some nights) and just perfecting the form. I would stay stick with it.
@noahpennington9861
@noahpennington9861 8 жыл бұрын
BigBoy OnTheRadio similar to what Steve said, just practice! I've been bowling for a year now and it took me a while to start hooking it well and get consistency. (By now I bet you're a bit better if you've been working at it anyways) Your lower scores are most likely just because you're simply not used to it.
@nicd1826
@nicd1826 8 жыл бұрын
Been working at it for about 9 months now and have gotten a lot better. My high game is 220 so far and i am consistently bowling games over 200. I am loterally "hooked" on bowling now.
@noahpennington9861
@noahpennington9861 8 жыл бұрын
BigBoy OnTheRadio well that's better than what I'm doing lol. My high game is 204 and I've been averaging around 160ish (normally at least one game around 170-180 per practice). That said, I'm only a sophomore in high school so I have time to improve.
@martzy7536
@martzy7536 7 жыл бұрын
Hooking the ball will get more chances of strike.
@garethevans6667
@garethevans6667 6 жыл бұрын
I'm not part of a league or anything, but bowl fairly frequently. Using house balls (poly's) and bowling straight, I usually finish at around 160-170. Is it time I tried a reactive ball to improve my game? Any semis or pros advice would be appreciated...
@andrewaustin7110
@andrewaustin7110 6 жыл бұрын
If you are averaging 170 with a straight delivery AND a house ball, learning to hook the ball could potentially bring you up to a 200-210 average bowler. Do not discard your straight delivery though. Use a hook for all of your strike shots (depending on lane conditions) and your straight delivery for spares. Good luck
@jureschannel
@jureschannel 5 жыл бұрын
wow amazing...love it
@3PiecesOfBread
@3PiecesOfBread 6 жыл бұрын
0:48 "Index and middle finger" should be "middle and ring finger"
@mgsdmagnum3309
@mgsdmagnum3309 5 жыл бұрын
Definitely tryin this
@dedlive822
@dedlive822 9 жыл бұрын
thank you so much . best tutorial video
@korydak1lla
@korydak1lla 7 жыл бұрын
Just wondering how heavy your ball Is and what kind?
@tomashernandez3076
@tomashernandez3076 8 жыл бұрын
Where was this recorded if I may ask? what bowling alley and where? it looks like the one in my town
@ishanm943
@ishanm943 8 жыл бұрын
this is great thx alot
@jkcraig4477
@jkcraig4477 8 жыл бұрын
Will your thumb get stuck in the ball and do you need a custom ball or can you use the normal ones
@tmf9556
@tmf9556 6 жыл бұрын
I've taken to having a friend hidden with an air rifle incase there's a pesky pin that doesn't want to fall 😉
@hglim8927
@hglim8927 5 жыл бұрын
The lane assistant hidden out back...?😜
@panharithpang2059
@panharithpang2059 8 жыл бұрын
Thank so much now I get better
@Disneyfiend07
@Disneyfiend07 8 жыл бұрын
did you film this at holiday bowl in Albuquerque
@george6252
@george6252 6 жыл бұрын
GUYS , HIS LAST VIDEO (on his site) WAS 4 YEARS AGO. DON'T THINK YOU ARE GOING TO GET ANY ANSWERS. Helpful video just the same.
@dany3241291
@dany3241291 10 жыл бұрын
i am left handed, need more left handed tutorials, but thanks bud
@HashWagon
@HashWagon 10 жыл бұрын
Download the video and flip it horizontally.
@garymainzjr9368
@garymainzjr9368 10 жыл бұрын
Left handed and right handed bowlers use the same theory to hook the ball
@Powence
@Powence 10 жыл бұрын
Gary Mainz Jr Its not a "theory", you used it in the wrong context.
@scrumpy666
@scrumpy666 10 жыл бұрын
Watch the episode through a mirror.
@joshuapoon88
@joshuapoon88 8 жыл бұрын
Thanks, I know how to hook the ball but learning different methods.
@galodelosreyes2766
@galodelosreyes2766 10 жыл бұрын
Hi I am a duckpin bowler and at the same time a ten pin bowler. I find duckpin to be more challenging when it comes to accuracy. The level of concentration is higher.
@Saii158
@Saii158 4 жыл бұрын
For me it's SOOO hard to have the ha d behind the ball. I think I have very weak wrists. so I have to work out or is there a teqnique to make it easier?
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