How to Make a KDSS-Equipped 4Runner BETTER Off-Road! Blackgate Customs

[@jaypikachu6660]

The KDSS system doesn’t make the car stiffer, the thicker sway bars does, the KDSS function is to disconnect the sway bars at low speed to let the wheel down travel more then the standard suspension when sway bar disconnect but it is limited down travel distance even though when you install aftermarket extended suspension, that is the only disadvantage.

[@fltllc4136]

Get the blocks from Kyle at Treaty Oak offroad. He has a front spacer too. Plus treaty oak spacer work with more lifts. And you are supporting someone that knows what’s up in the offroad industry vs a guy who steels ideas.

[@Runnin4Tacos]

We didn't realize that there was another company making these. Thanks for the referral, checking out their stuff now. 🙏

[@bigal924]

I agree! Got my spacer from treaty oak comes with front and 2 rear spacers , also the harness from dr.kdss is way better.. installs in the cabin opposed to underneath risking damage

[@ruizpaul642]

Treaty oak!!

[@fltllc4136]

@@bigal924 thx buddy. That’s me 🤘🏽❤️

[@Maximus01776]

Flitllc seems Kyle is running out of the engineering department, they don't have crap for nothing, nothing is KDSS compatible, funny how they sell this kit, but all the other products are for non KDSS models 😂😂😂

[@pun1shment]

Do you need three spacers for the KDSS to eliminate the KDSS lean when lifted or just the rear two?

[@yerkenutezhanov8557]

How to make kdss suspension softer?

[@timbrown7980]

Hydraulic cylinders. Not electronic. No electronic ram in a KDSS system.

[@jeffbwitty]

Came here to say this.

[@timbrown7980]

@ what’s that?

[@byrdbl]

Good to know, added to my wishlist!

[@byrdbl]

Also if I have the KDSS and do the Kings stage 3A with with Eibach 1”, do you still recommend the drop kit?

[@Runnin4Tacos]

You're one of the few that is only doing a 1" lift in the rear. I would say you don't need it until 2"+

[@byrdbl]

@@Runnin4Tacos ha agreed! I don’t think I would be able to get into my garages with anything higher.

[@DallasRSnider]

If I'm running the wiring to a power switch, would I need a relay?

[@BaconCruiser]

KDSS has better travel and ramp index than non kdss. Please see Tinkerer’s Adventure and/or Edmunds Automotive and their measurements.

[@choate10]

curious if you should wait to install this at the same time as your lift or will it hurt to install it before or after (not too long)?

[@alromero5685]

Wow! Now I have for hope for my kdss 4Runner.

[@thecatch83]

The 4R with kdss isn’t limited in any way vs standard non equipped 4R. Virtually every lift kit comes with a kdss option, in addition to skid plates, sliders, etc. and most people whonhave driven both, prefer kdss over non kdss.

[@dangerdanadv1445]

I have a kdss one and it rides nicer both on and offroad than the non kdss. You can also deactivate kdss by pulling the fuse, though a button would be nice.

[@GMvideo429]

Exactly, KDSS is superior in every way

[@J.Young808]

Good to know as I’ve not wanted KDSS but the 2022 T4R my friend ordered and decided not to get (he’s getting Model Y Performance and gave me his T4R) has the KDSS. I know the lifts are a little bit pricier but from what I am finding in my research is the KDSS rides nicer. I am probably going to be on road and not doing much off reading for the near future.

[@UintaDave]

I wouldn’t get a 4Runner without it after driving both back to back. I have a modest 2.4” lift in the front and 2” in the rear and no problems whatsoever.

[@Joemammatype3]

Looks like the panhard correction kit would fix the problem with hitting as well.

[@lanix17]

Curious if you have compared this KDSS disconnect with Dr. KDSS’. I like that his plugs in under the steering wheel. No need to run wires through the firewall.

[@ironmendm9]

can you put a 285/70r17 spare tire with this kit? looks like it will the make contact with the kdss piston

[@crazyryan808]

How about the front? Doesn’t it need a spacer also?

[@michaelmullins7920]

All things being even KDSS gives you more offroad articulation but requires kdss spacers or aftermarket track panhard bar when going above 3 or 4 inches increased suspension. It's like a swaybar disconnect below 12 MPH.

[@ryanmurray1565]

With a simple 2" front level with no rear adjustment, is it necessary to install these?

[@dealy9268]

I have a question for you 4Runner guys. My Brother in law has a 2023 TRD with KDSS. I am a Jeep guy and go off road often. We disconect our sway bars when off roading. Is that something that is done on 4Runners? Will that hurt the KDSS system?

[@luisalejandropenalvergrube7482]

hello how are you, only those pieces are placed in the back, thanks

[@roylanmontalbo134]

i had my 2018 prado and hear a clunking noise on the rear sway bar. mechanic told me that the source of sound is from the hydraulic ram. is it possible that this hydraulic ram will deteriorate for a 4 year period of use? where can i purchase this part? roy here from the philippines.

[@okie9]

Where are you all tapping the factory button power and light switch? I have a 2014. Thanks

[@naveedakbar4791]

Bro my prado 2014 model hyave kdss problem help me

[@luisalejandropenalvergrube7482]

Hello, can I install these parts before lifting it or after?

[@andrewyeu356]

With the spacer how high of a lift can you go?

[@joshc1106]

I see you have the Fox Pro shocks- how do you like them and how is the ride quality? I have read lots of great reviews on them. Thanks and great looking 4Runner

[@bigal924]

Dr.kdss harness is way better.. his is installed in the inside instead of outside where weather and road conditions could damage harness. I ordered mine already.

[@aejlne88]

Hi, Ive notice on this video the RIGS that has KDSS , has a TRD FOX SHOCKS , is this doable?, what yr is the 4RNR? THANK YOU.

[@Runnin4Tacos]

It has a suspension from a Pro and yes

[@lcatalla7292]

Does this mean a higher lift can be achieved? If so, how much?

[@Runnin4Tacos]

Yessir, link is in the description

[@ZacTexC]

Thought it was for lean? I have KDSS on my 2016 with a 3” lift Fox 2.5 shocks and it’s been almost a year now with no lean.

[@christrujillo7203]

Is that only a benefit for 4Runners or does the Tacoma have that as well???

[@Runnin4Tacos]

Tacomas don't have KDSS

[@J.Young808]

Only other on Lexus GX 460 (470?) in US market. Land Cruiser Prado elsewhere.

[@jefffywestcoast01]

can I put a 2" -3" leveling kit in my 2022 TRD offroad four runner without affecting the KDSS system or will I need spacers for the kdss??

[@Runnin4Tacos]

You can go as much as 2" on a vehicle with KDSS

[@vinbia]

is it possible to remove the front KDSS Sway bar/system, without a code being thrown?

[@Runnin4Tacos]

I don't think so. There may be a delete kit for it on the market but I'm not sure

[@brandonrodriguez3453]

Do you also have to install kdss extenders to the front as well or only the back?

[@UintaDave]

I don’t have it for either with my 2.4” front / 2” rear and it’s just fine.

[@jvsn_t]

Any idea when the drop kit will come back in stock?

[@Runnin4Tacos]

We have some in black

[@Machiwi-vo9nb]

Great video! How would a passenger side lean be corrected?

[@dangerdanadv1445]

With a half inch spacer on the passenger side

[@fltllc4136]

Kdss lean can be fix with front spacer from treatyoak offroad only for front passenger side and you will even gain some droop travel that is lost if you have a lift and extended travel shocks.

[@tx4pro]

What kinda of 2.5 in leveling strut spacers do you recommend for the KDSS 4R TRD Off-road? Do I need this also for front if I am only leveling the front?

[@Runnin4Tacos]

We don't recommend any leveling spacers, if yo want to off road then look into Bilstein 5100 for a good lift yet affordable. You don't need it for the front

[@Grand_GT]

Do you guys have a shop that can visit?

[@Runnin4Tacos]

Yes, we do. 665 E 70th Ave Unit 4 Denver CO 80229

[@Grand_GT]

@@Runnin4Tacos does getting this makes the ride smoother? I got a kings lift 3" and its so hard on the road

[@Runnin4Tacos]

@@Grand_GT Not really, Do you have adjustable Kings? If so, adjust the compression. Kings and Fox that are higher end are tuned for higher compressions, So the faster you go the better the rebound is.

[@Grand_GT]

@@Runnin4Tacos I don't have the adjustable knob, sad, but do you think custom valving makes it a softer ride? I have the kdss; should I be installing your kdss switcher?

[@Runnin4Tacos]

@@Grand_GT Yes, Custom vavling will get you a better ride quality depending on the terrain.

[@ZacTexC]

I have to put playback speed at 1.25x

[@matts4228]

What happens to KDSS when it's off? Does the ride stay soft or stiff? How does affect the suspension though?

[@Runnin4Tacos]

It is soft when off

[@davidf9027]

KDSS is NOT electronic! It’s purely mechanical.

[@happymaker8357]

Good video 🥇🥇🥇 Thanks for sharing 🙏 See you around, My friend 💞💞💞 Have a great day🌺🌸🌼

[@normrubio]

Does toyota have a factory lift kit for the kdss?

[@Runnin4Tacos]

They do not

[@Losky79]

I have a 21’ TRD OR w/KDSS coming in 8 weeks. I want to level it just enough to fit 275’s that’s it. What would you recommend?

[@GMvideo429]

Don't take their advice, they clearly don't know KDSS. Best KDSS system is Bilstein 6112/ 5160 and Sonoran steel rear track bar.

[@fltllc4136]

@@GMvideo429 that’s not the best lol. Sonoran pan hard bar is the ugliest thing ever. And it doesn’t address what happens if your shock bushing go out. You will invert the kdss system and destroy it. He even mentions it and warns ppl.

[@michaeldbhawker3556]

The only reason you would t get kdss if you are going to baja the rig high speed and need massive travel when lifting. Other than that off road with a good decent loft kdss outperforms on and off road. The TRD PRO badge is the biggest marketing scam in toyota history.

[@michaelfletcher1224]

Love your videos. Learn a lot from them. However, there are common misconceptions about the limits of droop on the fixed side of the KDSS equipped vehicles. This video does a better job of explaining the pros and cons of KDSS. kzbin.info/www/bejne/i5bWmZlqZZZ1Zs0

[@Mjr1348]

Please do your research !