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[@LegalEagle]

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[@ErinPrimette]

I will admit this few bad apples having the potential to spoil the whole barrel makes much more sense that way, still, would you be interested in any episodes of Adam Ruins Everything?

[@romanraguz2056]

Legal eagle, I love your videos. I am not from the US but I find your videos to be of high quality and helpful. I have a question: can you talk about the problems caused by using the SWAT teams too much and how could they be limited? Is damage caused by SWAT teams (eg when they accidently raid a wrong house) fully refunded? What is the process? I just want to know more about it in general, thank you for your time and amazing content. (and sorry for my bad grammar)

[@StephenDuncan]

It should be tampering with evidence if a body camera is turned off.

[@Bruh-jj9kk]

Don’t even put an off button

[@mercury6800]

Exactly

[@sasharudyy3587]

@@Bruh-jj9kk they can always cover the lens with something, kind of like the riot police covered their badge numbers with tape

[@survivormary1126]

My Wi-Fi is always on. Home cameras go to the cloud. It is BS that they can turn them off EVER.

[@survivormary1126]

@@sasharudyy3587 Let's imbed them between their eyes....lol

[@alongz96ify]

I heard a lot of police who were reporting misconduct of their colleagues get fired and being ignored by other precinct for jobs.

[@ralphize5153]

Police sometimes shame other police for being “rats” or tattling whether or not they’re right

[@Quotenwagnerianer]

Seems like some elements of the Police seem to think they are the Mafia. Maybe one should remind them that they are supposed to fight the Mafia instead of emulating them? ;)

[@Yora21]

Yeah, who watches the watchmen? It shouldn't be the watchmen.

[@DkKombo]

Apparently most hr department complaints are from other cops. Go figure.

[@corgismclean]

Police unions constantly protect their bad apples just as if they were members of a cast. They can't help themselves!

[@Pit_Wizard]

Every single video Him: "Hey Legal Eagles, it's time to think like-" Me: "An eagle" Him: "-a lawyer." Me: "Oh."

[@LilyN2099]

i thought i was the only one who did this

[@Kennabon]

Pit Wizard this is great 😂😂

[@mericianader132]

Im not aloneee!!

[@bigbadbum1]

if he's a lawyer, he's hanging with comey and the rest.

[@cjwillz]

Rofl!! That's hilarious.

[@Kyle-ht5qg]

As a law enforcement officer myself, I agree with about 90% of this. I've said for years that the emphasis of policing should be helping the community and dealing with violent crimes, not enforcing arbitrary laws designed for revenue. One thing I would add to this is establishing a nationwide standard for use of force. Most agencies or states have their own use of force continuum, but they still vary depending on where you're at. I work federal law enforcement, and our use of force continuum is far more strict compared to local LE and because of that, I believe we are alot better a deesclaing situations than other agencies are. Obviously there's time's where someone will decide to fight you no matter what, but the way you approach a situation as an officer can absolutely influence things for the better.

[@Thesupremeone34]

found a real officer here. wow. I think a major issue in departments that seriously hinders reform and weeding out of bad officers is the "good ol' boys" mentality that exists, especially among command staff, but it wanders its way into deputies as well and leads to like-minded people being retained in agencies and becoming one of the good ol' boys as they work their way up.

[@silentj624]

I was hoping to hear from a officer on videos like this. It makes sense that federal officers are held to higher standard and therefore are better at their jobs. Do you have any other suggestions for change not mentioned in the video?

[@Kyle-ht5qg]

@@silentj624 My stance is, and has been for a long time, that as a whole we need FAR better training. Longer academies with better emphasis on unarmed combatives and communication, as well as mandated sustainment training on use of force and again unarmed combatives. The more confident an officer is with hand to hand fighting, the less likely they are to use their weapons unnecessarily.

[@MarkoArillius]

@@Kyle-ht5qg Better training is actually provided regularly to a lot of places that continue to suffer problems. The issue isn't just better training. It's a literal culture of power tripping, and the allowance and even flat out defense of 'warrior training' even when it's made against the rules by the city/state.

[@beback_]

What point do you disagree with?

[@bsandey]

"There's a reason you separate military and the police. One fights the enemies of the state. The other serves and protects the people. When the military becomes both, then the enemies of the state tend to become the people." - This is a quote for the sci-fi show, Battlestar Galactica. But even though it's a fictional show, this statement is very, very true.

[@Mate397]

Well then maybe there shouldn't be enemies of the state inside the country don't you think? Antifa and the like have been nothing but a disruptive force, a domestic terrorist group since inception. If that ain't an enemy of the state I don't know what is.

[@bunceman4613]

@@Mate397 Antifa are not a organisation. They don't have members. They have never killed anyone.

[@mike140298]

@@Mate397 Have you considered that maybe the cause and effect is the other way around? That antifa exists because the police acts too much like an occupying army?

[@brightroot5719]

@@Mate397 If anyone is a domestic terrorist group right now it's the police

[@popefish8522]

Dylan Edwards They are an organization and they’ve hurt people. Organizations have ranks and members...something Antifa has.

[@elwinvanhuissteden7729]

The police department getting income from tickets sounds like a conflict of intrest to me.

[@robertjarman3703]

That's because it is.

[@doubleasblog]

In case you failed civics. The court is who imposes and collects fines not the police department. These are two separate branches of government.

[@robertjarman3703]

@@doubleasblog Cops do in fact get back a lot of that money in many jurisdictions in the US.

[@doubleasblog]

@@robertjarman3703 documentation to support your position?

[@doubleasblog]

@@robertjarman3703 www.google.com/amp/s/www.theoaklandpress.com/news/dataworks/where-the-money-goes-when-you-get-a-traffic-ticket/article_9bc7c6ca-6204-11e9-88c0-1f0fbff356a6.amp.html

[@bewilderedcat2536]

Militarising the Police and treating them like soldiers is insane when they aren’t held to the standards that soldiers are.

[@kristinamitchell716]

You nailed it. We have very strict standards in the military.

[@maxlaw6087]

Police Reform Warrior vs Guardian kzbin.info/www/bejne/gXayaYugd5p5hq8

[@conk_creat_4479]

@Buff Doge He's not arguing to de-militarize the police, but to hold them to the same standard as the soldiers who are similarly equipped. Besides, for many of the other jobs that police are involved with, like wellness checks, most people will not feel safe with a fully armored soldier coming to their house with large weapons. This is where you see some of the arguments to have social workers take over some of the jobs that police perform right now. Nobody wants social workers to go intervene in a shooting, but to do things like wellness checks so you don't have more cases like that of Atatiana Jefferson, who was shot in her own home without proper warning by police who were there for a wellness check.

[@conk_creat_4479]

Robert Slackware she didn't invite them in. They were outside and shot her through the window.

[@lilaclover1018]

Especially that police are now taking away protesters homemade "shields" and the shit show of the last month.

[@jeffreytoman5202]

I see two additional problems with the current police system: 1: individual officers are over worked. Anybody that has worked a job can relate to this. After you had a hard week where you have picked up some extra time or some double shifts, your patience and tolerance has been drained by the end. Imagine the difference in being pulled over by an officer on a Thursday who has worked 30 hours that week and being pulled over by an officer that has worked 48 hours that week. 2: officers don't interact with the community they serve. Police officers used to walk around and patrol neighborhoods. Directly interacting with the people they are serving. They get to know the general disposition of individual and build relationships.

[@russellward4624]

#2 is key. Its another result of the war on drugs. If your fighting a war why would you talk to the enemy? This whole enemy thing is just a bad idea. They aren't the enemy. They're citizens. Its also the result of the lowering of the physical standards. You used to have to pass physical tests. But they got rid of those. Now every cop is 200 lbs over weight and is incapable of walking 20 feet without having a coronary. So they have to use a vehicle. Which just makes the physical problem worse and as you pointed out separates the police and the people of the neighborhood at a distance. It also means they aren't getting any information from anyone other than criminals. So any information is suspect at best.

[@lotsofuwuenergy3983]

@@russellward4624 Another point about the vehicles thing-- also more expensive. While it's mildly interesting to see police ride on segways in nicer areas of LA, it's extremely sobering to see them wizz right past a homeless person sitting by a building or a kid who's clearly come from a household that's struggling financially. By being less reliant on vehicles, using them more for transporting needed help and less for just ~cruising~ on a boardwalk, the city can use that money to address the homelessness epidemic and empower local schools. Then again in LA they're never gonna do that.

[@paulacornelison243]

@@russellward4624 The police Departments went to patrol cars so they can patrol a larger area. That means fewer Officers are needed. This subject has been brought up on more than one occasion. It boils down to effective use of money. The fact that crime is reduced when Officers interact with the Public is offset by the cost of hiring the extra Officers needed.

[@russellward4624]

@@paulacornelison243 but its not offset. Thats the problem. Because they dontninteract with he public they don't know whats going onnint he public. All they know is the crime after the fact. So it increases the idea of us vs them, that the public is the enemy. It also makes it impossible to get quality intel. The only Intel they get is from criminals making a deal to reduce thier sentence. Not a good source. They're also unqualified on how to use a source and not allow the source to use them. By not interacts with the public it makes it much easier to other them. So they can justify any horrible action they perform like shooting someone in the back while they're handcuffed. If you see them as humans its much harder to do that.

[@SianaGearz]

Maybe if police wasn't so dependent on chasing minor offences and victimless crimes for funding, they could reduce working hours and have more time for community interaction too? Just a thought.

[@JGD44]

"I investigated myself, and I found that I did nothing wrong" - the police

[@imperialguard28]

(Fox investigating the hen house)

[@derekjohnstone4888]

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? Juvenal

[@vinsonli302]

#WhenAnyInstitutionInvestigatesItselfInANutshell.

[@dandylionsloth446]

+

[@KaDaJxClonE]

Government investigates government and finds no evidence of wrong doing by government. *Cough*clinton*cough*.

[@Dodgerific]

I was on a jury and the officers under a civil trial had their body cameras on the entire time. This validated their version of events in a case that otherwise could have gone either way. Body cameras are good no matter what.

[@adammacleod925]

Well yeah I mean like I don't see what the issue is. If your honest and you work properly, the camera just films what is going on. The Body Camera doesn't have an opinion or a skew, it just shows us what is going on. The ONLY reason to be opposed to them is because you know you're shady AF. I mean I work at a restaurant. Every inch of our workplace has cameras on it because like duh they don't want employees taking booze or whatever. It doesn't bother me because I don't rip off my workplace. same with cops.

[@derpimusmaximus8815]

@@adammacleod925 It's always been interesting that police often argue that surveillance is necessary, and if you've done nothing wrong, you have nothing to fear. But, of course, that doesn't apply to them.

[@MagnusSkiptonLLC]

@lelennyfox34 "Where have you seen Officers that are against this?" and "From what I've seen the majority of Police Officers are for Body Cameras" mean that a minority do. You just answered your own question.

[@AintiTrippin]

Skippy the Magnificent im trying to become a sheriffs deputy. Literally no officer i know in my area is against this. The only issue they have is privacy😂 but it’s specific so lemme explain. If an officer goes to the bathroom and has an immediate encounter, what they did in the bathroom will be recorded since the body cameras they have record 2 minutes before. From what they told me, theres officer shlong in some body camera footage out there in the wild 😂

[@Fullmetalseagul]

@@adammacleod925 The only issue I can think of is that continuously recording cameras have a storage limit. Depending on the resolution it records at the data can add up quick, and some of these officers work 12-14 hour shifts. Then they need data storage to hold all of that footage from thousands of officers and data management becomes an issue. It requires a lot of money and some these small town police departments will probably never have the funds or resources to do so, especially with people calling on de-funding them.

[@ThatOneIrishFurry]

DJ went from "lawyer reacts to funny court scenes in media" to "reforming the police and sueing the government"

[@lotsofuwuenergy3983]

Love his character arch

[@Akay4444444444444444]

DJ? You mean Mr. Eagle?

[@Vassilinia]

​@@Akay4444444444444444Devin J. Stone -> DJ Stone -> DJ.

[@thelatelatestreamwithsmile8698]

"Bad apples analogy is getting thrown around a lot but..." thank you! Why do people use analogies while completely ignoring the REASON for the analogy?? Drives me crazy af

[@carloscaro9121]

The one that grinds my gears is "the exception that proves the rule." No, no, no people. Prove meant challenge, as in "the proof of the pudding is in the eating," "bulletproof," etc.

[@talk4dews]

@@carloscaro9121 Merriam Webster dictionary describes to prove as: "to establish the existence, truth, or validity of (as by evidence or logic) prove a theorem the charges were never proved in court." You are using expressions and drawing your own conclusions from that. Just look at a dictionary, no challenge there.

[@johnkidby7948]

@@carloscaro9121 I always took it to mean that the exception proves (i.e. demonstrates) the existence of an implicit rule by virtue of being noteworthy as an exception, which is consistent with the expression's general use by non-crackpots in my experience.

[@ant7891]

I mean the fact that you have to go around telling people "you're using that phrase wrong" is pretty indicative of the fact that its meaning has shifted.

[@CattyRayheart]

There was one cop in Baltimore that had the integrity to report misconduct by a fellow cop. The rest of the department tried to murder him. Repeatedly. Until he was fired for not being team player.

[@nonyabizness.original]

happens a lot.

[@AceMoonshot]

Yep. Serpico was the most famous cop that did his job. The other cops got him shot.

[@lynxminx4]

@@AceMoonshot And that was in the 60s. Not much has changed since then.

[@tmage23]

The system is design to weed out and purge itself of "good apples"

[@jacobjordan8340]

@@tmage23 that is certainly not how the system is designed

[@Ardeleus]

"It's important to know what those words mean" He's a lawyer alright!

[@Gambit08]

I think you confuse lawyer with a person with critical thinking skills

[@kyzyl4915]

I think you are confusing critical thinking skills with taking everything literally

[@JosephDavies]

This is really the case with a lot of aphorisms that get truncated over time. We often forget the whole phrase as they get passed down, sometimes in ways that change or even flip the meaning entirely. A few common examples are "curiosity killed the cat", "great minds think alike", and "Jack of all trades, master of none". They are used in modern times to mean the opposite of the full phrase, just like "only a few bad apples" is today.

[@flamingmidas]

I used to be in a union, and I can guarantee that if I had walked into work and killed somebody I would've been fired and put in prison. Sadly the same often isn't true for law enforcement

[@USUXXSOHARD]

yeah im guessing your job bagging groceries wasn't nearly as dangerous as a police officer's lol. or did you have to apprehend a meth head everyday in aisle 3?

[@xandersaurenmann6958]

Likewise, my union makes it very difficult for my employer to fire us, however criminal activity is pretty much where they draw the line.

[@yaboicolleen]

@@USUXXSOHARD I mean, have YOU worked in retail?

[@USUXXSOHARD]

@@yaboicolleen Yes and some customers deserve every page of the magazine

[@Hamsteak]

Here in Ontario Canada, we have the SIU that investigates police whenever they escalate use of force. I strongly agree with having a separate organization with the oversight

[@rabbit251]

I'm a semi-retired attorney and previously worked in Portland and was part of a group that tried to set up an advisory police review board. It didn't have any actual power but would review police complaints. The police there reacted and threatened "blue flu" if we pushed for the board. We were immediately contacted by the mayor telling us to stop. This is the system in the US.

[@iksnivils]

never heard of that place

[@michaeljurney8354]

I had to have 10,000 hours of on the job training, and was required to carry 3million dollars in liability insurance to be a plumber. But you can be a cop with 750 hours of community college.

[@f1rebreather123]

Plus academy, and training. Still needs more time but don’t ignore that.

[@tc2241]

Requirements change state to state and county to county, but I agree that the inconsistency is an issue. More important than qualifications though, is repeat training and mental reviews; which most areas don’t have.

[@tobiaspal]

10000 hours if we calculate with 40 hour weeks, that's 250 weeks, so if nonstop on the job without holidays that would be more than 4 years and 9 months... That 10000 hours number is wrong

[@jasexavier]

@@tobiaspal You obviously don't work in the trades. 10,000 hours is literally what it takes. It takes 5 years minimum once you start as an apprentice to become a master plumber, electrician, etc. Depending on your state and which code they follow, I believe the Uniform Plumbing Code might actually require a minimum of 6 years as well as a minimum of 10,000 hours of on the job training.

[@user-nf9xc7ww7m]

@@jasexavier Yet the people who serve you food and could possibly kill you have no formal training, and the pay to prove it. We need to pay everyone better

[@WeAreIndividuals]

"There's a reason you separate military and the police. One fights the enemies of the state. The other serves and protects the people. When the military becomes both, then the enemies of the state tend to become the people." Battlestar Galactica has the best quote about militarization of the police.

[@macrossactual]

100%. It comes to mind every time in regards to this subject.

[@MSMPlays-rc5sh]

That is true.

[@zybermooze]

And if you've recieved military firearms training you shouldn't work as an armed police officer. To avoid police who are trained to kill.

[@Yora21]

Germany learned it the hard way and completely outlawed the deployment of troops on German territory unless attacked by foreign armies. (Exceptions are made to lend vehicles and manpower for disaster relief.) Every German soldier knows that any superior ordering them to do any kind of policing is committing treason and the order is void. Just, no!

[@gagislobista2]

@@Yora21 and when munich olympics happaned in 1972 thing got ugly for the same reason , german police lacked training

[@30JLETO]

The military spends 20% of the time in continual training. The police need to do the same. The police don’t train nearly enough whether it’s in firearms, de-escalation, & psychological training & screening.

[@XxSForrestxX]

I totally agree. What’s nuts though is that some problems or likely bad outcomes in policing are already known and have been known plus taught for at least a decade. For example the fact that panicking, exasperated people with their hands cuffed behind their back are liable to die suddenly if you put serious pressure behind them. I think it’s a knee jerk response to pile on to somebody while trying to restrain them, which is what training would be essential to address, but I almost think that’s it’s part of police culture to act first and handle the fall out of any consequences later. Military discipline alongside continual training would be a police militarization that I’d be totally for.

[@Usernameping]

The single most consistent police training seems to be in “shoot first, ask questions later” policing by David “professor of killology” Grossman. Ending that training and replacing it with community interaction training would go a long way.

[@Usernameping]

Robert Slackware claim? No. “You and your partner will have the best sex you ever had after you shoot someone“. -David Grossman, to cops attending his Bulletproof Warrior training which started over 20 years ago and continues today as simply “Bulletproof”. Arguing that it’s moronic to be unwilling or unable to kill a stranger in the street is bizarre, and I’m genuinely worried for your mental health. Half of what you say makes no sense, and the other half is concerning. There are lines of support for you to reach out to. Try 1800-273-8255 to connect with services that you can talk to.

[@Deminese2]

Cops train a lot, issue is their training is shit. A lot of it enforces being their own class of people and viewing others as idiot sheep.

[@freelanserns187]

I can agree but soldiers and police are not the same

[@grumble2009]

Professionalize the police: - end qualified immunity - mandatory personal malpractice insurance commensurate with duties If Police Unions want to be involved (and I hope they do), they can start by being bonded, licensed, and insured to cover their members.

[@browniepixxie192933]

Agreed💯💯💯

[@tomraineofmagigor3499]

"End qualified immunity" Cop: he was threatening people with a gun so I put him down before he could hurt anyone Judge: well you're being charged either murder Same situation but the cop doesn't take decisive action: the cop is killed and whatever was going to happen happens as if he was never there

[@JaniceLHz]

@@tomraineofmagigor3499 - I agree that there are complicated pros & cons. However, it sounds like the current system of qualified immunity is far too heavily weighted towards absolving officers of responsibility & accountability. How would you suggest we make them better accountable so that they are not so consistently found not guilty of misconduct in these recent cases when most reasonable people seem to think their abusive overuse of force was clear?

[@kagakai7729]

and police officers seem to quite consistently see """"dangerous criminals""" in minorities. -"he was threatening people with a gun so I put him down before he could hurt anyone" -"you shot a twelve year old with an airsoft gun to death you piece of human trash"

[@tomraineofmagigor3499]

@@kagakai7729 well don't cut the orange tip off of the airsoft gun

[@dawert2667]

I heard an officer in passing describe getting out of a false rape accusation because of his body cam, and how it actually happens very often when they have to accompany a patient/suspect in an ambulance. Body cams help everyone

[@jairogers5876]

I literally seen a vid of a cop turn his body cam off in front of protestors.

[@ZergrushEddie]

Bodycams are a good tool but they’re still tools that protect the police more than the civilian. If an incident happens and the footage looks good for the officer, it quickly gets disseminated to the press and public. An incident that reflects poorly on police often results in the footage being put into “internal review” limbo or “body cameras were not active during the incident.” Martin Gugino is a recent example. The official word was that Gugino tripped before the cell phone footage came out showing an officer pushing him. Had an independent individual not captured Gugino being pushed down, would the public have ever seen any footage from one of those 20+ cameras? No, because “there was a technical problem with the cloud.” Is that true? No idea but the same department that said that was also insisting Gugino tripped. Without increased accountability, it won’t matter if every police interaction is recorded. It is a good start though.

[@mathieulevasseur4082]

It exposes bad cops while protecting the good ones.

[@johannes5076]

Unless she had a physical evidence or he had a lot of prior allegations he would have gotten out without it: word vs word

[@poodypooroo]

@@mathieulevasseur4082 unfortunately without also increasing the level of civilian oversight it really doesn't expose the bad ones. Body cam footage can easily be "lost" or just not released due to confidentiality. Body cams are a tool but it needs to come with substantial, concrete reforms that change the basic relationship of civilian and police.

[@Christopher_TG]

After this eventful week in America's judicial system, I think it'd be a good idea for you to publish a video describing some of the basic judicial philosophies Supreme Court justices use when applying the law. Textualism, originalism, loose constructionism, structuralism, etc.

[@HistoryNerd808]

Honestly, Bostock is perfect for explaining the difference between textualism and originalism

[@saharalove08]

All officers should have their own individual liability insurance for excessive force or any other constitutionally protected acts being violated. If an officer is found liable of too many cases he should be uninsurable and therefore no longer allowed to be a police officer 👮‍♀️ also ending qualified immunity would be a huge step.

[@archangelstyx7828]

@@saharalove08 Sounds like you want every police officer to have their neck in the noose while working. High stress like that will lead to worse police officers, less police officers, and overall do nothing to fix the problem.

[@karlsmith2570]

@@saharalove08 agreed, and it should also be something that comes out of the pocket of the officer

[@epicsamurai5]

Agreed

[@colleenforrest7936]

"Better that ten guilty men an go free than one innocent man be arrested." I thought I heard that somewhere...

[@redextwisted6589]

that just stupid no guilty should ever go free

[@VisibilityFoggy]

You'd probably feel differently if you or one of your loved ones were one of the victims of a "guilty man who went free."

[@tmerchead1]

@@VisibilityFoggy An you would feel differentlt if you spent time in a jail for a crime you didn't commit.

[@SerpentStare]

Not "arrested", but jailed or convicted I believe; It's not at all uncommon for an innocent person to be arrested, and arrests can be cleared up without charge.

[@havenotchosenyet]

@@VisibilityFoggy the justice system is a misnomer it's more trying to be a non-injustice system, they're making a sword that executives would find as difficult to use as possible to arbitrarily harm innocent citizens, sure America is pretty guilty here but countries without this system don't _even begin_ to function as a coherent state.

[@AarowSwift]

You said "raises the question" instead of "begs the question" friggin thank you!

[@stephenferguson3284]

What difference does it make?

[@AarowSwift]

​@@stephenferguson3284 "Begging the Question"is a logical fallacy that occurs when an argument's premises assume the truth of the conclusion, instead of supporting it: an argument that requires that the desired conclusion be true. "Raising the question" just means to ask an obvious question. All over people use "begs the question" when they mean "raise the question". I was just happy to see someone use the right phrase. Basically, you should only say "begs the question" when you are accusing someone of using circular reasoning. And just to head the obvious response off at the pass: yes yes language evolves. I just hate to see a useful phrase get misused to the point that it ends up meaning the opposite of what it's supposed to mean.

[@gregoryboatswain1605]

AarowSwift I might need an example to understand that if I’m honest

[@AarowSwift]

​@@gregoryboatswain1605 Here's a link to the most thorough explanation I could find: examples.yourdictionary.com/reference/examples/begging-the-question-fallacy-examples.html

[@suntanironman]

“I’m huge in Japan... I assume.” Well, you have at least one regular viewer from Japan (me). 👍🏾

[@GiraffeTimeNow]

So nice to see a fellow fan watching from Japan!

[@kenouk6183]

I’m not Japanese but I’m living in Kyoto! Hello fellow kids lol 😝

[@acepilot1]

Guess he is big in Japan

[@johnsecheverell7824]

Watching from Kumamoto. 👍

[@iditgreenberg]

Same!

[@gtoger]

Objection! This guy isn't running for President. Which is a darned shame. He makes well-reasoned arguments, breaks down complex issues so laypeople can understand and can speak in complete sentences. He already knows the town... who's with me on this?

[@survivormary1126]

Damn I thought the same thing, since Bernie is screwed over. Maybe he could sue his way into office!

[@blacbamboo284]

@@survivormary1126 You get a lawsuit! And you get a lawsuit! Everyone gets a lawsuit!

[@mashting3300]

America doesn't actually elect the reasonable and qualified candidates

[@ggmm2480]

Objection sustained

[@JR-kq7pv]

Much better candidate than Kanye West.

[@esteemedmortal5917]

That’s what has always baffled me about police as a whole resisting any oversight or accountability; I would think that going into an ‘brotherhood’ you would be the tip of the spear to get rid of dirty or dangerous cops. They sully your image and make your job that much harder! Also, de-escalation makes things safer for all involved, including the cop. The more data collection and sharing, the more trends can be detected and policy built around that instead of assumptions or ‘intuitive’ thinking. How does that NOT sound awesome?

[@survivormary1126]

The positioning of the cameras as well needs to be rethought because they are blocking them in many instances, even positioning them so their radio is blocking part of it, as in the case with Sterling Brown.

[@PoochieCollins]

I like the idea of two bodycams per officer.

[@Kobolds_in_a_trenchcoat]

@@PoochieCollins seems like it would have the same issue, just with two cameras. I would say that if your camera is off and your an officer, you are not considered an on-duty officer unless your camera is on. You have no more legal standing for your actions than any average citizen if your body camera is off. I kept saying you but I mean law enforcement officer

[@PoochieCollins]

@@Kobolds_in_a_trenchcoat Two body cams pointed in a little bit different directions also covers a wider area. And evidence of view tampering should definitely be taken seriously.

[@gimmethegepgun]

@@Kobolds_in_a_trenchcoat With 2 cameras it's a lot harder to claim a mistake in positioning their other gear, or technical failure.

[@SianaGearz]

Just reverse the burden of proof. An officer who cannot demonstrate clearly that they have acted correctly are assumed to be guilty by default. You'll find that the camera is always pointing in the right direction then and not blocked! Maybe they'll even magically grow a second one for backup, and a third one on their arse to make sure they haven't farted wrong. Police not having independent oversight, whether it's technical like a camera, civilian witnesses, etc, is NEVER in citizen's interest. Because police officers always come in pairs or more, so it's one word of the citizen and maybe their close relative or friend which generally don't count, vs. words of two officers or more, so the leverage is entirely on police side.

[@Azwarrior94]

The phrase “Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?” (Who will watch the watchmen?) seems very applicable right now when it comes to both police and the current politicians in charge both in working towards change and following up on it.

[@JoshSweetvale]

Where's internal affairs?

[@LordKnightcon]

It actually translates to "Who will guard the guards themselves?", which for my money expresses the sentiment much better.

[@velucadhirim6725]

Body cams

[@briantanner1068]

@@JoshSweetvale , some departments don't have a dedicated Internal Affairs/Professional Conduct unit. In some states, the state police handle investigations involving county and local departments.

[@travcollier]

David Brin talks about this a lot. Sousveilience

[@Bacteriophagebs]

There's a saying: "If there are any good cops, then there should be no bad cops." The problem is that any good cops who try to turn in bad cops end up getting forced out of law enforcement. Serpico is a true story.

[@nikolaus2688]

While that is true, it also means that the number of "good cops" is insufficient to reach critical mass. When you read the accounts of these Serpicos, where they were left on potentially dangerous calls without backup, you have to ask yourself ... where were all the basically decent cops when that happened?

[@einar8019]

they get forced out by politicians not cops

[@delbomb3131]

Big problem is that what we think of as good cops and what cops think of as good cops are 2 entirely different things

[@chrissabal7937]

@@einar8019 Which your sheriff most likely is a politician (elected official), so kinda both.

[@jairogers5876]

Or they remain quiet or comply.

[@dantreadwell7421]

"If only there was some kind of federal oversight..." as the DoJ logo quietly hangs in the background. Love it.

[@ixelhaine]

I've been pointing out for months that the complete saying is "a few bad apples spoil the bunch" and I am SO GLAD someone else is pointing that out too.

[@TheNetherwalker]

No the analogy is "One bad apple spoils the bunch" when apples begin to decay they emit gasses that will cause other apples near by to decay as well. Literally one single bad apple can ruin a huge amount. I can't believe they use that term when talking about police. It's very self aware even though they don't get it.

[@Cplblue]

"They" get it. It's an idiom not meant to be taken literally. Ironically, people are defending BLM by saying the rioters aren't *really* BLM and are taking advantage of the movement. In other words, "they" don't get it either.

[@PhoenixBlazer39]

Yeah. Under that analogy, a single bad cop corrupts _all_ the rest in their bushels (departments). The actual intent is that the (relatively) few cops that are out of line make the whole formation look bad.

[@Cplblue]

@@PhoenixBlazer39 Exactly. And really relatively few cops are inherently bad. Some just make a really bad decision in the heat of the moment. The job is a high stakes game (that's another metaphor) that can be very costly for many people. A situation can go from routine to horrible in the snap of a finger that can cost someone their life (both civilian or police). More training is *always* a good thing. We should not only train police initially better but ensure that police officers are given time per week to keep training consistently. If I learn something once a year, it's not going to make me very proficient in it.

[@MimiB1974]

Cplblue most “riots” were invited by cops. It’s all on citizen camera phones. Police aren’t policing looters... they’re literally attacking peaceful protesters or those who don’t follow their directions. Only a bootlicker would be in favor of police beating non violent people. If they’re breaking the law... arrest or detain them

[@MimiB1974]

I never understood that analogy either. One apple spoils the bunch.... 2 “bad apples” pushed down an elderly man and 57 (good?) apples walked off the job when they were disciplined

[@colinm3130]

Also keep in mind that there are some police departments that have had these ideas implemented already for many many years. Ours even has a civilian oversight committee that reviews the cases. And if a complaint is files, and outside independent lawyer has to oversee the complaint. And if a gun is so much as removed from a holster it means hours of paperwork.

[@justanotherone9685]

Where at?

[@harrybats8440]

good

[@FairandUnbalanced]

They need to be publicized so they can be held up as a model for other departments.

[@vkelsov]

I guess that's why this whole thing is frustrating for me. The department I worked for sent all fines to the school, had policies in line with the 8cantwait movement, and practiced a lot of community policing like shop-with-a-cop fundraising. We had some of the best school resource officers, they were more like counselors for the kids than enforcers. I guess I was blessed to work in a progressive, if poor, department/area. I'd have retired from there if they could afford to pay a living wage. I guess I just never have seen the kind of stuff on the news.

[@dragonchr15]

I like the idea of burying cops in paperwork for having to draw down....that alone should curtail trigger happy Wyatt Earps

[@Vickygrayce]

So kiwi here 🇳🇿 One of the best things we did in NZ was removing any kind of positive reinforcement of ticketing. All fines go to the government not the department, and there is no work incentive for higher arrest rates or ticketing rates (which used to be an unspoken rule). We work in line with hospitals and social workers especially for mental health call outs (police often drive people straight to the hospital for detox, mental health treatment or other reasons). And police unions don’t exist here ✌🏼

[@johnnyarellano7653]

Side note : This gentleman would be an amazinnngggg professor

[@peytonmorris2527]

Well, he did get his start on KZbin making videos on how to get through law school.

[@DanHarkless_Halloween_YTPs_etc]

He is. He's mentioned in his videos that he teaches law outside of KZbin, to law students (I'm not sure where or exactly in what capacity).

[@Deven_McKee]

In cases of domestic violence where there is a chance for escalation the solution is simple: have a social worker taking the lead while a police officer stands by in case of an escalation. There's a team called ACERT in New Hampshire that does exactly that and it works exceptionally well. The social worker sets the tone for the encounter, so it rarely escalates.

[@krellend20]

In most domestic violence situations, the abusive partner is a cop.

[@arik_dev]

That sounds like a reasonable solution. It reminds me of how hostage scenario's are handled, where you have FBI negotiators trained in de-escalation, but with a SWAT team standing ready in case things go wrong.

[@FirstIsa]

I think it was California that had considered an idea where in DV cases all related parties were detained and held separately. If you have a social worker with at least some psychology training who addresses both people during the time frame would probably be the best way to do it. While detaining someone who's abused may seem problematic it means that they are separated from their abuser and a social worker would have a chance to interact with both people independently and possibly get the abused individual the necessary time and help to get out of the situation.

[@Deven_McKee]

@@krellend20 That is statistically incorrect

[@ThreeLetterChop]

@@krellend20 Stats please.

[@tessadas1368]

The fact that police officers have to meet certain quotas is also definitely a conflict of interest.

[@dougmartin2007]

Those quotas are often illegal for that reason. Your state may vary.

[@brianng3414]

There should be body cam footage of police quotas and get rid of cop bosses that only see the numbers.

[@CapitalWorksPro]

@@dougmartin2007 you really believe police departments give a shit if quotas are illegal? Where is their oversight going to come from?

[@dillonhounshell9786]

@@dougmartin2007 The "quota" is illegal. A "recommended" amount of stops is not. I knew someone that used to work as a cop. They didn't have a "quota" because that was illegal, however, they had a "recommended amount of stops" they needed to make.

[@tubebrocoli]

It's by design. The police is not there to ensure safety, it's there to oppress marginalized minorities.

[@aaronlewis9769]

The mentality of the “warrior” out to stop the bad guy needs to be replaced with a “servant” mentality to help everyone.

[@The2012Aceman]

I think Britain tried an exchange program like that during the 1600's.

[@SM-nz9ff]

They aren't servants lol wtf is that. No one should be thought of as a servant. They enforce the law and make sure the community is safe, that's what it should be. Police are NOT there to fuckin serve you lol this isn't a restaurant or slavery.

[@aaronlewis9769]

@@SM-nz9ff seems like you missed the motto “to protect and serve.” Also, I think you have a different view on the word than I do. I had no negative connotations with my comment.

[@SM-nz9ff]

@@aaronlewis9769 A motto by LAPD and others coopted the motto, not all. Ours for example have no such motto. Judging by LA in general I'd say they don't actually either. Not that it matters but a motto isn't law, a rule, an oath, or any other such thing. I am retired military for example. Military is called the armed services..."thank you for your service". Yeah we were not there to fuckin serve anyone other than bombs to the face. This is the same context service is referred to in Police terms other than the primary dealers of death which they are not meant to be whereas the military is. I repeat. The police are NOT there to serve you. If you have such evidence do present it.

[@Ornitholestes1]

About body cameras: The guy who murdered George Floyd did so with three other officers and several other witnesses present, at least some openly filming him do it. I somehow doubt he’d have been deterred by a body camera. Police need body cameras, yes. But they also need way better screening BEFORE being given a gun and the power to do almost anything they like to ordinary citizens, and they need hard punishments to deter them from overstepping their boundaries or standing idly by while their colleagues do it. "Tough on crime" should apply to public servants with special privileges first and foremost. And when someone witnesses a police officer murdering someone they have to be allowed to intervene, just like a police officer would be allowed (and required) to intervene if they were to witness some other person committing a crime. In fact if any police officer commits a crime while performing their job, they have to be just as liable to face the consequences of that crime, including self-defense by someone trying to stop them, as anyone else-when they overstep what they are legally allowed to do, that is abuse of power, which should immediately render their authority and special privileged null and void. It is in that context that body cameras are actually vital, because they would allow to objectively determine what happened after the fact, without having to decise whose testimony is more trustworthy (which we all know the police usually benefit from).

[@bella9698]

ALSO-RAN ! May you please provide the links to your sources of information?

[@jeffersonott4357]

@ALSO-RAN ! I'm not sure what that has to do with anything... he was definitely not overdosing. I've been close to overdosing on that shit a dozen times... never have, but the step b4 of is drug induced psychosis. Basically you black out and act a fool, so you don't remember anything and u act like an idiot... he wasn't even to that stage, just less an od.

[@jeffersonott4357]

*much less

[@Nai-qk4vp]

@ALSO-RAN ! Stop trying, friendo! It was murder. Goodbye , end of story , the end.

[@kitkat3990]

@ALSO-RAN ! No ideas what cities you are refereing to, but if a man is on the ground pleading for air and your knee is still on his neck, I don't care if it killed him, the stress from being choked out could have been what did his heart in, and if not that then definitely was at least in some form assault and still abuse of power. No one, no matter what kind of "hardened criminal" they are do not deserve to be treated like that ESPECIALLY without a trial. You sir lack basic empathy and I fear for anyone in your life.

[@josephabraham4058]

"A bad apple SPOILS THE BUNCH," is one way the adage is spoken.

[@SymbioteMullet]

At last, someone publicly finishing the Bad Apples idiom! Very important.

[@robertdemeo]

Except he missed the part about the poisoned trees...

[@bakedutah8411]

Robert DeMeo, and the mad, apple-stealing squirrels.

[@cynderellylastname6060]

John Oliver has done this before. I'm glad Devin is doing it again.

[@FTZPLTC]

Yeah, a lot of people use "a few bad apples" when they really mean "boys will be boys", with all the grossness that entails.

[@bla-bla-bla8881]

@@FTZPLTC ofcourse tou had to make it sexist

[@DigitalSteel]

Me: *Gets handed a barrel of apples* Police: 'Most of these are really good, but there may be some bad ones in there' Me: 'how bad?' Police: 'bad enough to kill someone' Me: 'no thanks, keep your apples.'

[@diersteinjulien6773]

The problem though, is that if you don't want the apple, there's pretty much nothing else to eat.

[@tramrant]

Cmon man, what kind of comparison is that? it's like apples and oran... police officers)

[@jevinliu4658]

@@diersteinjulien6773 No, you mean there's no water otherwise and you're supposed to make apple juice.

[@jevinliu4658]

@NotYourGreatestPlan okay, but that sort of behavior only happens in the best of the best scenarios, and we have repeated instances of that not happening. Thus, the apples that would kill you. Not to mention that overbearing police brutality has other consequences, both mentally and financially. There must be another solution, or there is no solution at all.

[@DigitalSteel]

@NotYourGreatestPlan Not really... we did not always have police. In fact, their original conception was completely racially motivated. The solution to a homeless person in a parking lot is not to send a person with a gun. The solution to a drunk person is not a person with a gun. The solution to drug use is not a person with a gun. We need different systems. Even most of the rest of the civilized world can confirm, the solution to an angry dangerous person with a weapon is actually not a person with a gun. Escalating the situation NEVER solves the problem, it just makes people dead. Police use need to be reduced back to what they actually are, deadly force. They themselves talk about how over extended they are. They are not properly equipped to handle most issues they are asked to respond to. And we literally ask them to respond to everything. You know the saying about hammers finding every problem to be a nail.

[@jamestolliver9970]

You are the literal definition of the lawful good alignment. I consider myself to be more neutral good as I have far less faith in a lot of our legal system but I respect what you do here.

[@gordonbeiser5431]

" There's a reason you separate military and the police. One fights the enemies of the state, the other serves and protects the people. When the military becomes both, then the enemies of the state tend to become the people."-- Admiral Adama, Battlestar Galactica

[@phantom3969]

Just so you know, people are quoted because they supposedly are credible and knowledgeable on the topic they speak on... Which is why fictional people's quotes are but the quotes of those that made them up In short, anyone can quote, not everyone's quotes should be taken seriously

[@phillip7494]

Would you say a group of people taking over a few blocks and claiming it another country an enemy of the state because anyone with any common sense should yet alot of people dont want to send the military in there

[@Danonymous5000]

@@phillip7494 people say a lot of things. We don't usually send in the troops because a gated community starts making some wild claims.

[@jamesgomez9151]

@@phantom3969 As a war vet, I'll cosign that quote no matter who actually wrote. The military mindset is not about keeping the peace, descalating situations, or building trust with the community. Its about using force and instilling fear in the populace. A fact is a fact no matter who speaks it.

[@taoliu3949]

@@jamesgomez9151 Yes, and no. GWOT has taught the military a lot about de-escalating situations and building trust with the community. The last years of OIF and OEF has all been about 'building trust' with the community, that's why ROE had been so strict to the point it's more restrictive than the police standard for use of force. By being more restrictive, I mean that troops could literally not open fire until they have been fired upon. Troops overseas in Afghanistan and Iraq had been trained to use a lot more de-escalation and self control than police in the United States. Fighting insurgency is all about building trust with the community. Without that trust, the community will end up either letting insurgents do what they do, or worse, join the insurgency. There are a lot of things that policing in the United States can learn from the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, obtaining and using armored vehicles is not one of them.

[@Falkor82]

As much as I still want to see more Star Trek cases reviewed, the information you're putting out now is far more valuable and important. Thanks Legal Eagle! ⚖️🦅🇺🇸🖖

[@vicky248123]

This is by far the most comprehensive list of reforms I've seen and you even explained each one. Even saw some ones I haven't seen yet in there. (Also you've been killing the ad segues lately)

[@safersephiroth943]

In response to your question regarding "how we cultivate a culture of PD's removing bad apples" (I'm paraphrasing but I believe I captured the spirit of your question) The answer is the unions. They are pulling the strings here. They foster the blue line mentality by removing the officers that don't conform and this collection of "brotherhood till the end" mentality enables bad cops to be bad because cops that speak out are removed from the job. You have to strike at the union and their contractual and legislated protections, if not ban government employees from union membership entirely. (Notice we can't unionize in the military, but apparently cops can)

[@potaterjim]

I dunno. On the one hand, attacking unions feels like a betrayal of true freedom, and playing right into the oppressors hands. What's to say they won't come for unions in the private sector next? but on the other hand, I never knew that military can't unionize, and thinking about it for all of 5 seconds I agree with that. The military should _not_ be privately owned, and in a way, unionizing partially privatizes something doesn't it? I don't think I agree with the idea that _all_ government employees shouldn't be able to unionize: I have family who work in government positions, and they're desperately in need of unions. But a case by case basis is definitely called for here. Like, public defenders should _definitely_ be allowed to unionize. Because exploiting them means destroying the lower classes chance at a fair trial. But it's having clear problems in the military for all the reasons you said. Why were police unions instituted in the first place? What exploitations did they face, that are worse than systemic corruption? And while we're at it, _how did AMERICA, the land of the capitalist, ever allowed police unions to begin with?_

[@yaboicolleen]

The really irritating thing is that every time legislation has been passed to limit bargaining rights for government workers, law enforcement is ALWAYS exempt. Y'know, the ones who desperately NEED those limits.

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[@tteddyybear]

Right lol

[@MrWhangdoodles]

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[@davidscann]

@@knifeyonline ah, the kings of segways. LegalEagle and linus.

[@PentameronSV]

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[@clementello]

the idiom is, "One bad apple spoils the bunch." This comes from the scientific phenomenon that a rotten apple releases chemicals that cause apples nearby to quicken the ripening/rotting process. Case closed

[@wowheyah1970]

You realize how stupid you sound, right? I mean, you gotta

[@nfzeta128]

@@wowheyah1970 oh the irony.

[@rabbit251]

My nephew is a state trooper. He has said that there are 3 types of officers: 1) regular types who do their jobs (majority), 2) types who are just collecting a paycheck and are an empty uniform (when a call comes in they are the last to arrive even though they were the closest in proximity), 3) types who feel like their word is law (who are usually ex-military). Studies have shown that college educated officers are better at their job than those without. He said that everyone knows who the "bad apples" are, but because of the police union they can't be removed. But no one on the force wants to work with them for obvious reasons.

[@johnpbishop8145]

I fail to see the logical positivity in giving a bad apple a *gun*

[@user-ul6gs7hg8s]

Colleague, you reminded me about the old lawyers joke that goes: not all lawyers are bad apples, it's just those 99% that spoil the good name of the rest of us. 😉😉😉

[@seneca983]

But to be fair, lawyers are probably far more willing to rat out misbehaving lawyers.

[@dafawkes7868]

In europe, "omission of help" IS a law. Not everywhere, but I know in a lot of countries you are by law required to help, to the best of your abilities (I know in Italy it is a thing). So you probably already know this but for the uninitiated, this means that if you see a car flip over in front of you and decide to walk away, if it can be proven beyond any reasonable doubt that you could've called emergency services and didn't; then you will be judged to the extent of that person dying due to your negligence; up to murder of some degree.

[@weberman173]

we have this in germany as well. this also extends to first aid if you are capable of performing said first aid without getting yourself in danger. and at the same time a first responder has a lot of protection by the law, they cant for example be sued for broken ribs do to CPR, if the chance existed that the ommision of the CPR woudl lead to the death of the person

[@AnimeFreakish78]

Ahhh that ad transition was so smooth. THANK YOU for this video. Non-biased, highly educational, and truly helpful in todays climate.

[@tps64]

im a cop, and i watched a few minutes so far. and just wanna say. I am Absolutely FOR body cams. i have been accused at least twice where i WISH i had a body cam. accusations of absolute nonsense.

[@christophermanley3602]

Thank you, sir.

[@TrystynAlxander_PoI]

Tell that to your union. Good cops push their union for these sorts of reforms because they really do help everyone.

[@pixality7902]

Good cops would be for them. If a cop is against them. He is the one trying to hide something.

[@williamwontiam3166]

Pixality or ethically neutral cops. It gives you free security and accountability.

[@richardp5920]

It’s definitely a no-brainer. They protect police officers just as much as they protect civilians.

[@poodypooroo]

2 other professions that have as high or higher rate of injury are professionals who work in mental health and disability service. I work in special ed and have been assaulted dozens of times on the job, yet if I ever even made a move that could be described as aggressive I would probably be fired and lose my license, which is as it should be. We are trained in de-escalation and when we have to perform restraints it is always least restrictive possible to maintain the safety and mental health of the person we're supporting in that moment. This includes training in what to do when there's a weapon, which has happened. I am also represented by a union that many complain is too powerful (I'd respectfully disagree). There's really no reason the police shouldn't have the same level of accountability as school professionals.

[@williamcarter8263]

I learned something. Thank you for sharing!

[@NYGJMAP]

Unions are very important and I’m sure yours is NOT too powerful. The only unions too powerful are the ones that give you vacation time for extrajudicial murder.

[@aveyondfan1802]

Amen to this! Also I just want to say I greatly respect people in your profession.

[@poodypooroo]

@@williamcarter8263. If you want to know more injuryprevention.bmj.com/content/25/2/116 My job would fall under the licensed staff category, in the past I was direct support as well. I should mention that actual injury rates are vastly underreported. Generally scratches, bites that don't break skin, or bruises go unreported because otherwise we'd do nothing but fill out injury reports (which are not a quick process and involve follow up). In rooms that have significant behavioral concerns generally we only fill out reports if there's danger of an infection or longer lasting injury and we may need covered by workers comp.

[@poodypooroo]

@@NYGJMAP the teacher's union is, if anything, underrepresented in special education. A lot of politicians and locals like to stoke the fire by complaining about time off ignoring that we are often expected to equip our own rooms, pay for supplies, and research/assemble projects on our own time while also maintaining licenses (which has become its own wildly overpriced industry). I'm not a teacher, I'm embedded in my rooms as a licensed professional and have worked in school for the last 5 years and before that with adults as a direct support worker for about 7 years. Having only had a union for the past 3ish years I can tell you it makes a huge difference.

[@TheHrasty]

According to your point about specialists like health care workers: I live in Austria, and we have about a dozen different numbers to call (one for medical services, one especially for poison related questions, one for the police, one for the fire brigade, and so on). If you don‘t know whom to call, there‘s a European Emergency number 112 and they will basically route you through to the according hotline. As far as I have heard, in the USA you call 911 for each occasion - maybe 911 could become the US equivalent to 112, to get the call to the corresponding hotline service.

[@cdgonepotatoes4219]

- The "8 can't wait" thing is nice, honestly I thought most of these things were already in place (though stating warning before shooting can't always be done in immediate danger); - I didn't know about that thin of police militarization, some of the surplus should definitely be restricted from police repurposing and other things shouldn't have the time limit applied to them; - Some training in psychology or appointing psychiatrists to the 911 dial would be great, but you'll still want the worker to be accompanied by an unit, not be "eventually" called in order to protect the worker; - The police really should be identifiable, I had no idea there was such a thing as police just wearing black or civilian clothes and going about in unmarked riot gear.

[@samppawest]

Again: this is a refreshing channel. There’s nothing partisan on looking things through the law. Even when the presenter would like to call BS but instead gives us the law, the rights and the wrongs and what a voter can do to battle the wrongs.

[@animorph17]

Haaaahhh! You haven't seen the backlash to this guy yet, then. He's as partisan as it gets, with a reality focused bias.

[@animorph17]

@TypeLuo That's not full circle, that's the default norm that's been established in most periods of civil unrest. Go check out what happened to Notre Dam, smashing roman statues because the angry poor folk thought they were busts of french kings. The only thing different is that now it's happening in the age of information, so all these idiots who remain oblivious to the history they're dealing with are intentionally, deliberately oblivious.

[@ThomasBurnelis]

The whistleblower / Duty to Report idea sounds very much like 10 CFR 21 requirements for the nuclear industry. It serves the nuclear industry and its safety record very well.

[@Blighted_Ashes]

Most complaints on officers are from other officers

[@adog3129]

This is easily one of your best videos, I wish it had more views. It's so easy to complain about how something is broken, but it takes much more effort to talk about how to actually fix it, and you made a lot of reslly great points.

[@arcadistorias3202]

your ad segue skills are insane. i was even waiting the entire video for it anticipating it, and it still caught me off guard

[@paranoiarpincess]

Breonna Taylor. A perfect example for why police should have something declaring they're police.

[@tequila7419]

paranoiaprincess also a perfect example of why you shouldnt be doing crime, or associate with criminals

[@vctrsigma]

Tequila didn’t they break into completely the wrong apartment guns blazing?

[@VNightmoon]

@@tequila7419 The guy they were after was already in custody. It was the WRONG address to begin with. Breonna and her boyfriend were sleeping, and when the police barged in, her boyfriend (rightfully) assumed intruders were barging into their home and defended it. He got arrested for shooting at people he DID NOT KNOW were police. Pray tell, what crime did either of them commit?

[@kyle9401]

@@tequila7419 nice job, not knowing the story and defending murderers. :(

[@jaebyrd]

WarriorCrimson Yes, because they believed drugs were brought through the apartment. They still entered without announcing themselves and they shot her. She was not a criminal and they found no drugs in her apartment. It was a murder

[@nicholaslocke1954]

Concerning the "I'm huge in Japan" joke comment. Kyoto resident, enjoying your channel!

[@ilikedota5]

How though. Randomness?

[@Marina.F3918]

Same here I'm in Tokyo

[@ThreeLetterChop]

Fun!

[@Roobitz]

I am so glad to hear that you'll be doing a more in-depth video about qualified immunity! More people need to hear about this doctrine and also why the supreme court refuses to consider changes to it.

[@JR-kq7pv]

I was a new state Corrections Officer over a decade ago and many items on the #8CantWait (specifically #2 De-Escalation, #3 Verbal Warnings, & #7 Use of Force Continuum) were focal points of my Academy training. All these years later I can still hear my Training Officer's voice "Your MOUTH [speech, tone, word choice] will get you into and out of more issues than any radio, pepper spray, or gun". I am a little surprised to hear that these are not already standard in all Police training. I am hopeful for reform and personally know the value of De-Escalation training; it got me home safe to my family more than once.

[@thexalon]

Regarding consent decrees: The Cleveland Police were under a consent decree when Tamir Rice and several other people were killed unjustly by them. The officers involved had completely broken the rules of that consent decree. Creating rules doesn't solve the problem when the people who are supposed to enforce the rules are the ones breaking the rules.

[@HatchetKlown17]

Point a gun at people (toy or not) and you risk getting shot. Had his toy gun had the manufacturer supplied orange tip you may have had a different outcome. But that's not an officers fault his toy appeared real. Sad but completely justified shooting. If he pointed it at me I'd have drawn my EDC and shot as well.

[@iomakara9809]

Mike the problem though, is they shot him from a car (drive-by) didn't ask him to raise his hands, call to him to remove the weapon, just shot him on sight

[@jeffreypierson2064]

@@iomakara9809 Yep. Watch the video in real time and the cop had to be unsnapping, if not unholstering his pistol as he arrived. I think it is 2.3 seconds from stopping to first shot.

[@nfzeta128]

@@HatchetKlown17 lol, so you're saying all the children coming out of toy stores with their new guns are just asking to be shot?

[@pollito6211]

nfzeta that’s not what he said

[@KZSoze]

I was a cop for over a decade, and I only wish I could like this video twice.

[@stylis666]

Consider it liked twice ;)

[@nekowerewolf9769]

And now consider it liked thrice

[@ergohack]

You honestly expect me to believe you were a cop, Keyser Söze? 😉

[@johnnymao]

@@ergohack Yeah, next he'll tell us he was once in a barber shop quartet in Skokie, Illinois!

[@buckysgirl4945]

Thank you for your service.

[@jcrosenkreuz5213]

I like this video. It sets out to treat the various policy ideas floating around even-handedly, and does so well. Part of this problem has been a lack of good data - now thanks to cell phone cameras on one side and body cameras on the other we'll have a complete picture on uses of force. Now that the public cares about this issue and various departments try mixtures of these policies while taking better records we'll see what works. I don't think this is nearly the end of infamous stories like this in a country so large, but hopefully the statistics (as tracked by places like WaPo) will improve, as they actually seem to have since 2014. On the other hand, things that aren't discussed as fixes now might continue the problem. According to the book "Three Felonies a Day", all of us are essentially untried felons, untried simply for want of an officer witnessing us. If officers are more regularly posted to nonwhite areas, it naturally follows that these myriad arcane laws will be enforced there more, individual racist agendas or no. It goes back to a saying from Cicero's time, "summum ius summa iniuria" - "More law, less justice". Reducing/ending the drug war is just one part of that larger mess.

[@margotrosendorn6371]

I appreciate your effort here to present things impartially and clearly. Police reform is a highly charged subject, to put it lightly...

[@adammacleod925]

Hey LegalEagle, a guy from Canada here. I went to Law school here and I feel like if more professors were like you the profession would be enriched greatly. Thank you for your well balanced and measured content!

[@phillip7494]

Hes hardly well balanced. He said that the 'protests' were mostly peaceful when just about every protest in a major city turned into a riot as soon as the curfew hit

[@phillip7494]

Also Canada needs alot more than just good professors to make it a good country

[@PixelatedAstronaut]

@@phillip7494 "as soon as curfew hit" they said, without any self awareness. There's no need for a curfew in the first place as it is just a way to restrict peoples' right to gather and protest... which as you pointed out were peaceful... until cops made it not peaceful.

[@xXSPADEGG]

Phillip America is one of the only countries that hates Canada

[@phillip7494]

@@PixelatedAstronaut the first couple of says were just all out burning and over half the protests in major cities were violent

[@jamesschmames6416]

using "misconduct" already skews the discussion from where it needs to be. Let's call them what they are, "crimes". Crimes should be adjudicated by courts, not disciplinary boards.

[@TheArtistKnownAsNooblet]

The problem is that police need leeway to do things that are normally illegal in order to effectively do their job. The easiest most non-controversial example I can think of being speeding. Occasionally police need to break the speed limit in order to respond to a call or chase someone down or something but if they just turned their lights on and had a little joyride that would be a misuse of their privileges thus misconduct.

[@theAverageJoe25]

@@TheArtistKnownAsNooblet speeding is a lot different from murdering people

[@billman4226]

@@theAverageJoe25 what about when the person they "murdered" started a shoot out with them?

[@michaelfrey3619]

Well that's why it is called misconduct. Because sometimes it's not severe enough to be considered criminal. But there is literally a thing called Criminal Misconduct. Like a cop can be verbally abusive and one might make an argument for misconduct. But that's not so egregious as to call it criminal you know?

[@MeanKno]

@@billman4226 Note the keyword you used: the person, not the police, started the shoot out. Killing in self defense is legal assuming equal force is returned to the instigator. Different case if they enter a household in civilian clothes. In that case, the homeowner has the right to defend their home.

[@QuarterMoonRachel]

Absolutely nuts to me that there isn't already a national independent body there to regulate police officers and police misconduct... Edit: Wait in America there isn't a universal "Warn someone before a police officer shoots at them" rule?! Wtaf.

[@JJ420365]

In my experience as a child we over-used the 911 to report domestic violence that could have been resolved with a strong father-role in my family. Social workers are supposed to resolve this role but rarely are seen as mediators of conflict within the home. We need a better solution than calling the guy with a gun.

[@froglv.2097]

Yeah, let's call in the social worker while that guy is beating the tar out of his wife, im sure that'll end well

[@Oruam1111]

@@froglv.2097 You are aware there's more to domestic violence than, right? Hell, even in your example a gun is completely disproportionate, unless assault suddenly became a death penalty offense and habeas corpus has been suspended.

[@matthewplayspc3197]

@@Oruam1111 Do you know the situation where a cop is most likely to be killed? That'd be a domestic violence call, sending an unarmed socal worker into a potentially lethal situation is asinine.

[@Oruam1111]

@@matthewplayspc3197 Source? Even if true, that's not an argument for always responding with an armed officer. Because that's not how statistics work.

[@123ricardo210]

Just as a side note: the Dutch police changed their riot vans (sturdy vans with a look more befitting the marechaussee (which is a gendarmerie)) to look more like regular police vehicles. Tests showed that protesters and hooligans remained calmer so significantly they sped up the replacement process nationwide and the "feel" of new vehicles and uniforms are now always included in design proposals. Added benefit being that the riot vans can now also be used for regular police duties.

[@mingc4698]

Good one.. Think of this scenario.. a protest happen.. maybe some tension.. police show up.. not with guns.. but with party speaker.. give people some food.. cheer everyone up.. tell some joke then tell the people.. keep this peacefully.. And everyone be safe... I am sure everyone would listen.. and everyone will be more happy.. and btw.. isn’t that what police suppose to do?

[@KingBobXVI]

@@mingc4698 - There were a couple protests early on where the local police joined in and marched with them. Amazingly, no violence broke out in those marches. Then later when they put in an arbitrary curfew and decided to enforce it violently, those same police started getting into violent situations they themselves were causing. So yes, when it's a non-violent protest, they can be present without escalating.

[@creativedesignation7880]

Europe is generally pretty big on deescalation and it seems to work out well. In the US people seem to have fully understood the fact that when you approach a police officer in an aggressive way, they are more likely to respond aggressilvely aswell. That is because they are people. It works exactly the same way when the situation is reversed, but that fact seems to be largely neglected.

[@hippofridge2190]

@@mingc4698 your a clown dude

[@hippofridge2190]

@@Praedyth_ ok what about it

[@ethanpister]

You’re an incredibly persuasive person. You safely pander to and peruse the side of people against police reform only to bring them back to their senses. You would make an excellent lawyer. Have you considered this path?

[@saggitariuspotato2043]

The people who are against police reform are either dirty cops or idiots. People like me are against police defunding. Not so much against police reform. You can't reform an an underfunded Police Department.

[@xuto2693]

@@saggitariuspotato2043 Except you can and reform can't happen without reduced funding. Cops are OVER funded. We have too many, we spend too much on them, and we aren't getting a good return on our investment. Defund, reduce the size and scope, and spend that money on other programs, training and personnel.

[@HellecticMojo]

@@saggitariuspotato2043 Police are already one of the biggest expenditure of municipalities. Also when the budget for going into things like APCs at local level, that's just excessive spending.

[@thelitmango6333]

@@saggitariuspotato2043 people want funding taken away because there's been multiple photos of cops with multiple hundred dollar sights on their fuckin tear gas launcher, the call to defund them is to get rid of any military equipment they have. Like assault rifles, eoetech sights, red dots, heavily armored vehicles amongst other things. They honestly don't need military equipment and should have that taken away. That's why people want funding cut, because they're allowed to buy too many things they really don't need to police the populace. We aren't fuckin mexico.

[@thelitmango6333]

@@saggitariuspotato2043 Because im sorry you don't need assault rifles and EOTECH holographic on guns that most of your engagements will be under a hundred yards. They don't need a lot of the shit they have, it's all toys.

[@Yomom12388]

I used to be one of the ones who always said “there’s nothing wrong with the police” and would make excuses for their poor conduct whenever something came up. Im a white guy with no prior record and was pretty conservative at that time. Then one day, shortly after the shooting of Philando Castile, I was pulled over by an officer for accidentally running a stop sign. I had a firearm in my car with a legal license to carry it and I told the officer so. He said “no problem if it’s legal, can I have your license, registration, and proof of insurance?” The info was in my glovebox and I just reached for it without thinking, popped open the glovebox, grabbed my information and pulled it out. I handed it to him and he said “thank you, wait right here” and walked away. It only hit me what had just happened there after he walked away. A black man had just been shot by a cop despite having a legal firearm and telling the cop like I was always told was the right thing to do. He was killed for it. The officer in my case didn’t even blink when I reached into my glovebox. He had no way of knowing I wasn’t reaching for my gun. I had never told him where I had it stashed. That whole interaction had me screwed up for quite a while. I didn’t truly believe in systemic racism or bias in policing, yet here was a clear cut case right in front of me. It sent me on a very long journey of self reflection and doubt. Today I find myself much farther to the left than I ever thought I would be. I’m still a proponent of the 2nd amendment and always will be, but on basically everything else I’ve shifted far enough left that I changed my political party affiliation so that I could vote for Bernie Sanders since my state has closed primaries. Really, I wish more people would be able to do the smart thing of looking at the world around them and realizing it’s not the rosy place over the rainbow they imagine it to be. There’s a lot of messed up stuff going on and nobody on the right seems to want to do anything about it for fear that it could erode their power within society. Anyway, if you read this, thanks and have a great day.

[@davechongle]

that is incredibly hard to do, to question yourself and your beliefs. it shows character and a willingness to do what you think is right. im trying to compliment you in a way, unbiased to your current political beliefs because i agree with them.. i doubt anyone else would compliment you if they disagreed but ill be hypothetically unbiased lol

[@charliesthill4790]

One of the most important videos I've ever seen on KZbin so far in the past 20 years.

[@oskarnymand389]

This guy is the alternativ Universe where Ryan renolds becomes a lawyer

[@PsiQ]

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[@crystalheath6510]

In my city in Canada when there is an issue with public intoxication, mental health, and loitering issues - a subsection of unarmed police are sent to investigate and deal with the issue. This isn't the same in all cities here though.

[@JayJay-sl8du]

Yeah. Im in BC i think we call them "peace officers" here. Met a few, theyre pretty chill.

[@kingofhearts3185]

What city is that? I live an hour from Toronto, but I'm in high school so they don't talk about police outside of your rights in civics.

[@48917032]

Sure, we have them too over here in Europe. Unarmed cops with different uniforms who work for the city and deal with the small stuff. It seems to be a decent idea overall.

[@misterjag]

In South Korea, in lieu of military service, draftees can serve as a member of a special police force that is focused on dealing with people who are intoxicated, public nuisance, etc.

[@crystalheath6510]

@@kingofhearts3185 Winnipeg. Its part of the City Police Cadets Program. They deal with issues that don't need armed officers, assess the situation then call the appropriate group (ambulance or whatever is needed). They also patrol the downtown. I had to call them once due to an intoxicated person falling asleep on the premises of a business where i worked. I tried to ask him to leave but he was unable to understand me and they arrived and were able to talk to the man and eventually decided he should be seen by some medical personal to see if he had taken something dangerous so they called a stretcher service who took him to the hospital I think.

[@mrsnrub3712]

Excellent assessment of possible solutions. I especially agree with your points about enforcing minor laws with force. The overblown risk of being a police officer is important to highlight. I would be interested to hear your stance on requiring a duty to rescue ala Warren v DC.

[@jamiehatfield7392]

So many great ideas to help fix the problems. Hopefully several departments can choose to implement a few and see if they work.

[@cristinadecisneros3987]

16:34 and I've seen soldiers on social media saying...dude...we would not be able to get away with half of what these officers are doing

[@kid-hudi]

Google "Duffelblog: Military Pushes For Same Broad Rules Of Engagement As Civilian Police Forces" ....it's a military version of the Onion, but like the Onion, it's scary how true it is.

[@DannyBoy7475]

Lmao duffle blog xDdddd

[@hawlitakerful]

Well one of the things that's allowed for police and not the military is Tear gas. Because in a combat scenario it's indistinguishable from deadlier gases. And could provoke full scale chemical warfare with the opposition firing back with chemicals aswell. So there is a good reason. Still doesn't answer why it is allowed against their own people but that's a diffferent question

[@calebnoerr4067]

I don't thinking I've ever seen any KZbinr that is so smooth with their segues into sponsorships as this channel. Bravo

[@markhalver3391]

17:20 I would argue instead for a social worker teamed up with a police officer, with one or the other taking the lead depending on the situation, and with extra training in each others field to understand better the way that they can assist each other.

[@tompatterson1548]

Never fire into a crowd. One of the classic blunders, akin to starting a land war in Asia, invading Russia in winter, trying to conquer Afghanistan, invading Vietnam, responding to famine by throwing a really expensive party, and warning your friends in the government about the plot you are involved in.

[@PoochieCollins]

And only slightly lesser known: never go in against a Sicilian when DEATH is on the line! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA =croaks=

[@agglegal]

It is important to know where the "bad apples" are in officers of the court as well. Let's make that happen too!

[@dougmartin2007]

My problem with the analogy is you would remove those bad apples before you bake the into a pie. These guys want us to eat that pie and somehow be happy for it.

[@boydstephensmithjr]

Excited to hear that you are going to do a deep dive into Qualified Immunity.

[@stevenwoodward5923]

I agree, but it also would be nice to talk about Civil Asset Forfeiture. This is where if the police stop you and you are carrying cash they can claim it was being involved in something illegal, and take it. This is without accrual charges or a conviction, and you have to sue to get it back.

[@AlwaysBored123]

Me too. More people need to know about that made-up insanity.

[@UsernameRulesSuck1]

I'm glad you brought up the misunderstanding of the "bad apples" metaphor. It's been bothering me a lot recently. People using it seem not to understand that the point of the metaphor is that bad apples cause good apples to go bad.

[@godzuky2743]

"One bad apple will spoil the barrel" is the one you wanted there and its very true when it comes to close knit and enclosed factions or communities.

[@amerritt09]

There's been some notable discussion on the different "rules of engagement" between the national guard and police, something to dive in to after qualified immunity (which I'm anxious to learn more about).

[@Azivegu]

In the army they are taught to only ever point their weapon at someone as a last resort (talking about patrol duties, not combat situations) because pointing a weapon at someone only worsens the situation. Yet the police do this for almost any situation, whether it be a reporter at a demonstration, or because you went slightly over the speed limit. The training they receive is inadequate at best, criminally negligent at worse.

[@MythicSuns]

"I'm huge in Japan...I assume" There's bound to be an anime out there somewhere that you've unknowingly cameoed in.

[@Shirubakaze]

The number of salt bae memes in recent months has been hilarious.

[@Reydriel]

@@Shirubakaze I can't wait for the dancing pallbearers make a cameo someday

[@Semmelein]

He would be perfect for Gyakuten Saiban, also known as Phoenix Wright outside of Japan. 👍

[@striker8961]

i vote he voice phoenix wright in the dub

[@user-nf9xc7ww7m]

Obviously, japan has its own issues with police (moreso on the long detention and inability to consult lawyer for a while), but at the national level there is an independent agency called the National Public Safety Commission. The commission's function is to guarantee the neutrality of the police system by insulating the force from political pressure and ensuring the maintenance of democratic methods in police administration. It administers the national police agencg, and has the authority to appoint or dismiss senior police officers. The national police agency its role is to supervise prefectural police departments and determine general standards and policies; although in national emergencies or large-scale disasters the agency is authorized to take command of Prefectural (state or county analogy - japan is a unitary state) police departments. Cities and towns do not have police departments. Rather, police kiosks are set up in multiple locations but are under the chain of command of the prefecture.

[@mackenzielabar1982]

You the best my man, preciate you speakin on tough issues

[@danielpapetti4956]

Excellent video. Well explained with lots of great points. Thanks for making this

[@MaraJrianne]

Eugene, OR has a model that's gotten a bit of notice regarding sending non-police to calls about drug addicts and similar. The business is called Cahoots and has been around for about 30 years in case you'd like to look into what that kind of thing would look like.

[@postiin4603]

@@jaredarmstrong992 That's funny, cause its not true americanaddictioncenters.org/learn/substance-abuse-by-city/

[@HistoryNerd808]

Are you planning on going in depth on the major Supreme Court cases like this week's in Bostock v Clayton County(Title VII) and DHS v Regents of the University of California(DACA)? Or are you just planning on covering all of them at the end of the term?

[@connormurphy2838]

Ya I wanna see this sooner rather than later. Plz and thank you.

[@HistoryNerd808]

@elijah mikle Where are you getting that that's something I support from what I said lol. I'm actually split, I agree with Bostock, disagree with Regents

[@FTZPLTC]

The bodycam thing really should be a no-brainer for any police officer who isn't actually planning to commit a crime. It would be hugely beneficial to law enforcers to be able to clear up what happened in any situation, especially if they're not at fault.

[@Bang1324]

Hi! I'm a new viewer and I'd like to make a comment on extensive police reporting on the use of force. I must mention that I am an Australian and our police frown extremely on any lethal force, but I'd like to mention that police reporting on the use of any force is honestly a huge deterrent for Police officers. Police here(local) solve all situations I've witness or heard of with verbal communication or negotiations, and all big crimes I've heard of are solve by sheer quantity. Good luck and stay safe :)