How to Shallow Your Golf Swing

[@GrantHorvatTeaches]

The #2 teacher in the world joins us today!

[@jimmys7985]

Awesome to have someone like this on the channel. I would like to see you and Porzak golf collab sometime too! Good stuff Grant

[@gloworms]

He was lucky to work with the #1 teacher in the world

[@justjoddat]

#1 in our hearts

[@truthofthematter2892]

Good nuggets here. A word of caution about lead arm adduction: PGA Tour players, measured on GEARS, do Not, pull their lead arm way across the chest and pin in. They(Tour Players) keep their hands more in front of the chest in the back swing. Excessive hand depth in the backswing will actually cause you to flip and early extend. If the arms drop straight down, while you rotate, the club will shallow without thinking about it.

[@rippinlips4270]

That was a great instructional video for me, I’ve always heard swing to right, but when he said swing to right but allow hands to go left that set of bells in my mind and made so much sense. Where I’ve always swung to right it hit straight right

[@swishgk1466]

Really good stuff with the wrist angles. That was something that helped me a lot. The sensation I started trying recently with my driver was feeling like my dominant arm was throwing a side arm throw or skipping a rock. Improved my driving so much and I don’t slice the ball nearly as often.

[@mikaelantoszyk261]

I have this problem bad with all my clubs my right arm takes over everything

[@Aoughi]

I m an almost 50 year young hcp 8 golfer with 2 hips replaced and a lower back full of scars that has never played a round without pain. And still now I want to shallow my club and get a better contact and more distance 😅 If I can't get it going alone, I need some lesson with both of you🎉!

[@shawnjohnson21]

My coach drilled this into me with the wrists and closing the face by learning to swing the club left handed (im a righty) for a few weeks straight before allowing my right hand to get involved. His point was left hand controls the club face and the swing speed. Right is mostly torque. It was about another month of over drawing the ball before I found the right spot and gained consistency. That lull that you and FP talked about on the BDS podcast is real and this was the change that highlighted that the most.

[@wilsonxci]

Grant, I really appreciate your teaching points. Loved them back when you were with Good Good and glad you’re keeping them going here. You have a knack for teaching 😁

[@sobz2764]

This is what i have been trying to do for the past few weeks, this was the best timing on a video ever

[@mw03]

I had trouble focusing on the bowing/flattening with my left wrist. My coach suggested trying to feel the opposite with the dominant hand. So, instead of trying to flex (bow) my left wrist, the feeling was trying to extend (cup?) the right wrist and let the left hand follow it. Fixed me right up, so might be worth a try for anyone out there having trouble with the bowed-wrist feeling.

[@pperrier14]

Yes, this is huge. My coach also told me this and it was a game changer. Some players might need to know this!

[@grantnorris742]

^^ This and practice hitting wedges with left hand only. Helps you learn how to use both hands and control the face

[@hadesignite]

@mw03 very interesting! I have tendonitis in my left wrist so leading the bow always ends up hurting, forcing the feel in the right wrist and leaving the left loose may help!

[@kendalljones4469]

Exactly what helped me out.

[@tn94z]

The piece about the hands going left while the club head works right was an OHHHHH moment for me! I always had in my mind that an in to out swing path was the hands swinging out. Makes total sense now

[@GrantHorvatTeaches]

Love to hear that

[@mattbecham597]

i pushed several today with that in mind.

[@KA-dm9lm]

This is the best explanation of this concept I’ve come across so far. I’ve been playing about 1 year. I know I’m swinging outside - in and likely coming over the top. I’m athletic and can square it up most of the time but that’s no way to play long term. I’m early enough in my golf swing where I don’t think I have ingrained bad habits yet.

[@simonggreen7383]

Hi Grant / Chris, had an hour pre round today and even though my lessons have been going really well, this explanation, and the feels re the logo down etc resulted in a really good round of golf, so good off the tee, pretty much scratch golf, and more importantly being a lot longer with all clubs , particularly driver, so thank you so much, amazing stuff ❤

[@jamiesloan7259]

This will change your game forever, once you get it. Left wrist bowed, and right wrist back are the same thing. It’s all according to how you can “feel it” the best. Don’t believe me? Hold the club slightly off the ground, and bow the left wrist back. Notice how the right wrist also cocks BACK. And also notice the natural forward shaft lean. This is key for strike, and a penetrating ball flight. There’s also a downward cock of the wrists in transition. I’m so glad they mentioned that. It’s often overlooked. Wrist positions are 1 of the 3 secrets to becoming scratch. The other 2 things are proper hip rotation, and right side bend through impact. Trust me. Your strike, ball flight, and direction control will improve dramatically once you get these 3 things working together.

[@kyeungminkim2018]

I like how Chris is very straight forward with his lesson. I love it!

[@gabe3179]

Been working on this lately and it’s helping my game tremendously, this video came at the perfect time. Thanks grant and love the content.

[@MattyK-USA]

I love the tip about the rolled-off lead wrist position creating the angle in the downswing! While I strike the ball pretty well for an amateur, I am anything but shallow with my swing. Practice tee, here I come! 🙂

[@GrantHorvatGolfs]

I need this

[@sundayfunday5059]

Does nobody know it’s you

[@jamesclark7630]

What if you did a video where you fly to Missouri and teach a mid handicap how to swing like Grant! I’m 36, golf almost everyday for the past year, and slowly getting better. 6’3 180 too. Lol

[@kevinbeach6431]

ideally, how shallow do you want to be? what do you want the swing path to be? how shallow is too shallow? do you want 2R? 5R? do you want to be closer to neutral? working on shallowing my swing, just don’t know how far to go with it

[@MikeActual21]

Great video! Love the idea of not just using the term “shallow” but understand the concept of wrist action and face position. Very good info. Thanks!

[@thekid834]

Where can i get lessons like this. I really like this swing model. I'm in Vacaville California

[@PetSKi67]

Key thing in swinging a club is that everybody is different. Some fundamentals apply, but if your swing is even a touch unorthodox, not many coaches, PGA Professionals can help you, when things start to go south. Nicklaus had a perfect idea on this. It is every players privilege to own their own swing and figure it out. If you understand, what guidelines you follow, then it is easy to fix things even during a round.

[@deadlymantis4210]

The thumbnail is wild..Aint no one shallow like that still

[@jasontroutman9845]

I hopped on board the shallow train years ago trying everything I watched on KZbin. Hurt my game. It’s a rabbit hole you don’t want to go down. This video made a lot of sense but what worked for me is the shallowing feelings you’re describing, but incorporating that into my backswing. The sensations and feelings you describe I feel at the end of my backswing and I would consider it part of my backswing. Ulnar deviation at the end of backswing helps me lose any thoughts for the transition and downswing which worked way better for me. If you’re trying to do these moves in transition or in the downswing, it’s too late in my opinion. Just want to share what worked for me.

[@tylerbellgolf]

Was kinda feeling this yesterday. Very weird thinking it’s behind you. Then trusting that your turn will slick the club head out. Never hit a draw in my life but did yesterday due to this!!!!

[@alanheseltine7959]

I was at the range tonight trying this very concept, so the feeling I had was the club was shallowing and I was getting much better contact, I'm going to keep working on this through the winter

[@PetSKi67]

I like the notion of Chris’ not for everybody. Key thing in any golf swing is that the clubhead follow your body motion. If you are off from the start there is not much one can do, except with a suoreme hand-eye cordination.

[@jiamintoh]

Literally life-changing. Watched this at night and practiced the next morning with Step 1 in mind - swing is completely changed. Still lots to work on but it instantly fixed a long standing problem of slicing.

[@Chardcastle28]

Once I’m able to get in for some lessons and get more of the basics down, I really want to try this out a bit more! Thank you for this Grant

[@somerealaveragegaming5380]

Does this getting shallow technique Apply to the driver as well

[@jasontroutman9845]

Getting the club head behind you in transition is my main takeaway on this. I’ve tried forearm feels but that didn’t work as well as ulner deviation with wrists to get club behind you. Hit some really great shots with this feel but also hit some shanks. 😮

[@GiTyNic]

This is great as am usually focused on just shallowing the club but not shutting the face, OR I get too focused on shutting the face from the top and forget to shallow....watch me forget this when I go out on the first tee box haha. Great stuff!

[@yepdontcarebud]

Is it possible to be steep and have an in to out path? Ive noticed a significant loss of distance lately with my irons and the ball is going uncontrollably high. High high blocks or hooks. On trackman my numbers were between 3-7 degree in to out, and with iron was consistently hitting around 3 degrees down on the ball. I also am picking the ball clean off the turf and rarely leave any divot. I dont get it, anyone who can help????

[@andrewlukacs3393]

This is exactly what I learned at golftec helped me got from 115/120 every round to in the 90’s hit a 92 the other day I know that’s not great to some but I’ve only been golfing for 2/3 years

[@michaelp2259]

Ive been at it for a yr and a half. Ive been through so many youtube vidoes my brains scrambled. I quit taking videos and although i was steeper than i wanted to be i learned how to hit the ball good with my irons. Shot an 83 at a easy course. Then watched my swing and didnt like the way it looked now im hit or miss with my irons and driver i cant keep on the planet so i have to hit my 3 wood off the tee. Right now my scores are averaging from 88-95 depending on what im doing decent or bad that day. Golf is hell😂.

[@jeffmcclish127]

I’ll try and simplify shallowing. The key for me was getting the club parallel in the backswing with a neutral or slightly cupped wrist. In the downswing, the club will naturally shallow.

[@inquisitive8086]

Did Tiger shallow in his 2000 golf swing?

[@Gigity1107]

I've been working on shallowing the club recently for the same reasons as Grant. And when I get it right its great. BUT! That issue at 2:58 Ugh. When that comes out, its horrible.

[@jamesclark7630]

Some of my best ball striking at the range has been when I shallow it naturally and feel like the club is dragging behind me. Once I do it I can hit like that the rest of the session but I lose it in the course and go back to flipping.

[@hartattack0725]

One key point that was said toward the end and what frustrates most "recreational" golfers is that improvement comes from the range and not playing a round once or twice a week. You have to put in the work and just bang out balls

[@robertlozano6546]

The clubhead and hand path concept was golden. I get it now!!

[@altonrobinson8402]

Congrats...you are on a tear with these collabs.

[@mikaelantoszyk261]

So 4:30 make you feel like your casting to shallow??

[@miket990]

What would suggest for opposite issue ie to much from inside with closed face

[@YoungSandwich10]

Not a fan of this current shallowing trend. Assuming you have a good takeaway and backswing, your wrist angles and hand depth should be good enough that the downswing shouldn't need to have excessive shallowing moves to deliver the club on plane. For those who still come steep even with a good takeaway and backswing and hit a picture-perfect top position, the downswing thought should be keep the trial elbow tucked and deliver the hands down then rotate with the hands exiting left (for right-handed golfers). I think this idea of trying to shallow by manipulating the position of the clubhead isn't repeatable and will cause a lot of blocks because the club will be traveling too far behind the body's rotation. I think this is a great video that can potentially help a lot of people but I think "shallowing" isn't the most effective way to fix steep swings. Generally, a good backswing will allow a downswing with very little manipulation or thought.

[@setiadisuwignjo2285]

Your channel is gold Grant! thanks for sharing !

[@davidsolberg9935]

Where should the ball be. In the center of your stance or by your right or left foot. ??

[@alimk91]

Grant out here acting like he's learning something when this man's already got the smoothest swing on youtube

[@ahmedchaudhry6408]

Hi Grant - amazing job!!! So helpful. I was wondering when your playing how hard do you go - are you hitting at 80%?

[@ksun-21]

So down swing, head to right and body rotate to left?

[@williamharris7849]

I am squarely in the pull hook phase of my swing. I fixed my grip so now every time I come in over the top, I have some epic misses left. Night is darkest before the dawn, I'm hoping cus I am posting some relatively terrible scores.

[@Samec37]

I love the closed to hold off feel

[@5bslaton]

I’ve started pointing my right elbow at the ground while at the top. Gives me that dj wrist and comes down shallow if you hold it close to the body. Used to be over the top terrible

[@elmarair]

The difference between hand and club path at the very end of the video was an eye opener.

[@jellyjams7217]

Big problem with that grip but going flat is that the hand path gets kicked outward way too much, leading to over the top into impact

[@Nomoneyforgolf]

Grant my misses are left even I’m not that bowed up top. What could be the issue? I rarely go right anymore and I don’t close my face at set up.

[@bogey2phoenix]

Great video Grant ! I think this shallowing thing is also something that come up With time while the rest of your technique gets better. In my first year of playing golf I did try pretty much everything to get a nice looking swing by correcting literally everything by myself (I know…), turned out to take all My pleasure away since I couldn’t even hit a ball correctly why doing practice sessions , so I said F this sh*t. Played a year , getting more comfortable. 2nd year I focused on other stuff , gently heading into my 3rd year now , and this thing is on my bucket list but I just wanna be able ton play and have fun so I think the key is to practice the shallowing motion as much as needed , not trying to include it in your on course game until it comes naturally into your swing. I guess this can take months even years.. Gently but slowly ^^

[@Lubo-qd2zs]

Tried this today, striking it well but all shots starting left and drawing, how do you prevent this from happening?

[@desean3402]

Man I’m hitting it solid. Just club face always open at impact. It’s silly and I can’t figure out where I’m opening it. It’s not fanned open in the back swing so I’m just lost

[@briano6268]

I took lessons from Manuel de la Torre, who was the first inductee into the Golf Teacher's Hall of Fame. He also won 5 Wisconsin Opens as well as tons of other sectional PGA events. I know that if he watched this video he would be shaking his head and asking "why don't they just swing the club back and forward on plane?"

[@davelibrarian3490]

Would like to see a video on ball striking with irons, especially shots between 80-180yds; including common pitfalls and their solutions (low slice, chunking, weak distance)

[@juanpineda-montoya]

Hey @GrantHorvatTeaches, I've been struggling with my 50 and PW after 14 holes, every shot starts left and draws 25 yards, last 4 holes on every round I can't even get close to a green, can you help please? Great vid by the way

[@dpychung]

If you can tell us what exercise you do beside driving range practice, that will be great 👍!

[@gianlucamazzi7878]

WOW. Been going though swing corrections for a few months now, taking videos and comparing to pros. I unfortunately never took a lesson so I never knew if my ideas for shallowing were correct. Hearing everything here is exactly what I’ve been thinking through the past few months and GOD I wish I had seen this months prior. It’s amazing to see you guys talk through the theory and mechanics. Loved the last bit about the hands vs club movement. Best video I’ve seen all year

[@VardenB]

For me shallowing didn't make much sense until I understood as an over the top player I need the right arm extending/dropping down towards toes with hands (with left arm tight to body). Until this was demonstrated (Justin Rose has a great demo) I was going down a pointless road

[@Ethan16_za]

Hi Grant, can you please make a video on teaching how to shotshape, like draw, fade and stingers?

[@zachfootball2178]

Grant what do you think of kawaswing?

[@walkergilmer3122]

I'm really steep. And try and get shallow. But don't have the issue of leaving the face open at all. Normally if I hit it bad I just pull it left. Just cannot for the life of me get the shaft coming thru the forearm like the pros do...

[@jeromekemmer8148]

Me neither.

[@Gerbs1534]

Your videos have helped my game out so much already

[@Oldcourse95]

This is it right here. This is the 🔐 Great vid @grant

[@GrantHorvatTeaches]

Love to hear it

[@buttershores8435]

I hit it a weak push right. Even when I turn my hands over at the bottom. Is it possible that I’m getting in front of it? I’m a three but have no distance.

[@vs-mz8nn]

Well I have same swing like Jim Furyk , looks so bad but he shot 58 right? I'm now scratch... it's more about comfort and body nature , stretch, speed etc... just hit the frickin ball😂 but yes. Few videos helped me to be honest... Victor Havland goes so off perfect arch and yet he is exceptional...

[@EldredMerricks]

THIS IS BASICALLY A TWO-HANDED FOREHAND IN TENNIS!!! I mean exactly like it!!!

[@tyroneshoelaces315]

I have a steep downswing and I wanna be more shallow but I'm terrified of reinventing my golf swing

[@SonnyBurnett-sc6ed]

You’re sacrificing short term gains for long term performance. I’m doing it this winter.

[@koneone1]

When driver video? Explaining ball position with camera in front of and on the back!! Great content keep it up G!

[@tubeGolfNews]

Being shallow is so important! ❤

[@GrantHorvatTeaches]

Yes sir

[@psycho8771]

Good video. Of course you can over do shallowing but the intent should be to shallow the club at the bare minimum. Not to mention i think Como know alittle bit about the golf swing.

[@kaidonhunt6029]

This was made for me thanks❤

[@pmich8913]

Hey grant, just wondering whats wrong/ what condition do you have?

[@blakie7732]

what?

[@TheOhioBoysGolf]

Como is getting IN THERE with the feels 😂

[@Coach8687]

That smile from Chris 😬

[@Scooters2013]

is there any golf coaches in LA area that are hands on like this? lmk plz

[@rolonl96]

what should I do if I am hitting pulled hooks? heeeeelp 😢

[@atopesports912]

how to compress the irons. thank you

[@KimMurray3644]

I was wrong about Grant. The blokes class and his video's are getting better & better. Eventually he will probably be number 1 KZbin golfer creator.

[@Beergoggled]

Tried this, feels unbelievably uncomfortable.

[@robsjoo]

Thats the point, u have to get used to a lot of weird feelings in the golf swing to make it better and be patient

[@btkssd]

That means what you are doing is so far off. You need to get uncomfortable to improve.

[@robsjoo]

@@btkssd exactly

[@BeefyPreacher]

I'd encourage you to watch Athletic Motion Golf on YT talk about what actually gets the club on plane using all the data from pros on Gears. It's simply the the lowering of the arms below the shoulder turn. It's pretty simple but people try to overcomplicate it. Good changes in the golf swing SHOULD feel awkward at first, but never like you're contorting your body into certain positions, that's almost always a sign you're fighting against he natural build of your body.

[@GrantHorvatTeaches]

That was quick

[@robfrancis6164]

Great info. Always enjoy your videos. Keep them coming!

[@baccaratnatural]

Sam Burns said he closes the face at address and grips the club normal if face isn't closing instead of trying uncomfortable grips.

[@MrCryptstawkr]

Great video! Very excited to try exercising this. Love this channel for learning. Hoping that you can do a video on adjusting for environment. I play in northern illinois and see a lot of different seasons and the ground sure responds differently based on wet/dry and cold/hot days.

[@Washy01]

I play off scratch with what I think is the ugliest sub 5 hcp swing on earth. I can work the ball both ways and have speed but i rotate so poorly, instead I have early extension and thrust my back hip toward the ball to achieve inside out path. Obviously it works as I've even hit a bit plus hcp, but I've been working on shallowing and rotating. My god, it turns me into a 30hcp instantly. I can barely contact the ball as my poor swing habits are so engrained. It is not easy to make swing changes, especially when it makes you much worse until you really start to figure them out

[@peterginobbi5657]

Great video grant the title is perfect for the issues im haveing atm 🎉🎉🎉🎉

[@GrantHorvatTeaches]

Love to hear it!

[@colebaker___]

I would love a video on how to stop hitting pull hooks. Every video I see says that when you come over the top it can only be a slice, but I’m proof that the opposite can happen. I cant stop hitting pulls and pull hooks because I come over the top

[@rylanpickett9683]

You're "over the top" with a club face closed to the club path. Most golfer have an open face with an out-in club path which causes a slice. Work on shallowing the club path (in-out) then you'll be hitting push-draws!

[@IamWonderBread]

Looks like cast A from No Turn Cast from Monte Scheinblum lol man knew his stuff years ago.

[@christopherroberts9594]

What actually fixed this for me was going back to my natural grip neutral to slightly weak. little baby smooth draw is back. Over time my grip had gotten too strong

[@toddwelch486]

Love Chris. Interesting that some of the guys mentioned at the top - Tom Kim and Tiger - don't really shallow it. They stay really wide.

[@GrantHorvatTeaches]

Many ways to get it done. Chris is the man

[@toddwelch486]

@GrantHorvatTeaches I'm really enjoying your stuff, Grant. Especially loved watching you play Spyglass. I played a fair amount of tournaments there as a kid and in the State Am. I know how brutal the course is. You did well, especially considering those pin placements.

[@steven-gerrard]

Good to see a top class coach say that "shallowing" is not what people think and show on Instagram. This and creating "lag" are aged teaching methods.

[@krissantamaria8578]

great vid. i've had a lesson which explained exactly the same thing to me. when it was being taught to me i thought it was "casting" the coach corrected me very quickly. every now and then you see a coach on instagram explaining it the same way it is here and people have pretty negative reactions to the information.

[@mohamadgilang545]

Body, arm, body, arm (rotate the hand clockwise) Butterfly grip of kawashallow

[@danielowen5889]

This is my fix, ...?I can't wait to try this...

[@fishcatcherfleas]

For the love of God ,,, after ,,, after yes after lessons upon lessons this Geezer sorted my swing out ... club pro sacked

[@buttershussey]

High hopes going into this video. I’ve tried for months and find it challenging. I feel shallow then I record my swing and it’s nowhere close. I’ll see how this goes

[@larrymassingill5810]

Dude , I feel your pain !

[@buttershussey]

@@larrymassingill5810 I’m tired of chunking the balll

[@bomb_and_gouge]

If you have a life, this is not easy. If you don't, the grind is worth it