How To Train Your Dragon 2 Group Movie REACTION

[@K2niarDneK]

Drago's weapon is actually a tool that was used in real life to 'tame' elephants. The idea was to hit them with the pointy bits as they were growing up whenever they got out of line. This was repeated so that by the time they were adults, they were scared into submission of the tool, and the wielder by extension, even if they were physically capable of defending themselves. Drago likely found the Bewilderbeast as a hatchling, either by coincidence or killing or stealing it from its mother. As it grew, he used the hook to discipline it, ingraining fear and submission into it, until it was fully subservient to him regardless of the size difference.

[@K2niarDneK]

@@theamazingspooderman2697 Cool. Never made it to the end of that one. I didn't have the greatest attention span as a kid.

[@dragonsman4733]

@@theamazingspooderman2697 that was actually the egg of Valka's Bewilderbeast, Drago then found another one later, but its never clarified on how he actually does so.

[@wiledertoster4691]

@@theamazingspooderman2697 Backed up by his now iron-plated dragon army, Drago then discovered a young Bewilderbeast, which he abusively trained for a single purpose: to one day dethrone the established Alpha and become the new master of all dragons, answering only to Drago himself. It’s from the books but it’s fair to assume this is what happened since it’s not stated otherwise. Edit correction: it’s not from the main author of the series, it’s a dreamworks book so that is what happened in movie universe cannon.

[@DotDotDotDashDashDashDotDotDot]

Well, you learn something new everyday

[@captainteeko4579]

@@theamazingspooderman2697 oh yeah it was I forgot about that

[@Poisonouscosmic]

I get how Hiccup may seem stupid for his initial plan in giving themselves up, but if you've watched the shows, you know his confidence comes from experience. He's got every reason to feel as confident in himself and in their dragons as he is. He's not the same 15 year old kid who fainted after his first encounter with Toothless. He's a seasoned dragon rider and trainer, hell, he's *The* Dragon Rider.

[@jessbellis9510]

Was just thinking about commenting this - he literally changed SO many people's minds, including even the most previously dangerous of enemies.

[@animeandgames6397]

@@danielmunoz1275 as someone who watches ninja kuma on twitch, and constantly hears about his life growing up in a war torn nation, i can attest to this statement. War is hell, a hell the majority of those who grow up in the u.s will never know.

[@Eeliphant1]

@Anonymous Gamer333 i agree

[@Eeliphant1]

Truth

[@vailingbow1068]

True. And these are spoilers for the Race To The Edge, but he did manage to convert Viggo Grimborn. Albeit after a long time.

[@dacolib]

I think its funny how in both movies Hiccup always starts and ends the movie saying the weather is terrible, but throughout the movie its always clear and beautiful

[@orbboom6119]

Maybe to not have to animate snow falling every scene i guess? Lol

[@wilfrido1lora]

They filmed on the good days

[@strawberryfox8819]

Even in the show there's like only a handful of episode with rain and snow

[@augustrempelewert4377]

@@strawberryfox8819 YES, and it is SO FRUSTRATING! And even when it IS snowy out, everyone still goes around without sleeves! And I HATE IT! Like, if it's really THAT difficult and expensive to animate harsh weather and winter clothes in your fancy 3D CGI animation style, then just USE A CHEAPER ANIMATION STYLE FOR THE SHOW! And I KNOW that's possible, because they used much simpler 2D animation for parts of Legend of the Gobblewonker and Book of Dragons, and it looked just fine! Edit: I had a brain fart. It was Legend of the Boneknapper, not Gobblewonker.

[@myheartwillstopinjoy8142]

​@@wilfrido1lora this had no business being so funny 😂😂

[@Joan-jq5ho]

Btw, just letting you guys know, Stoic's Dragon is his second dragon, the first one and him took different path's because it needed to protect its own group. And later he finds Skull Crusher in the same series, which is what you see in this movie

[@Joan-jq5ho]

@@theamazingspooderman2697 to what ? Since they already watched the first movie and jumped to the second, I dont think they will watch the animated series

[@Eeliphant1]

The series when Stoic parted ways with Thornado (his first dragon) is a different one from when he got Skullcrusher.

[@vailingbow1068]

@@Joan-jq5ho Yes, but they do react to series' so it's a possibility they'd do it here. If enough request it.

[@luigipowdemo6458]

​@@Eeliphant1 that IS true.

[@nshippudennaruto2814]

Yeah it was sad

[@EthanMallonee]

I love how 90% of the comments are telling you guys to watch the shows. I fully support this

[@swagninja_2142]

@j marine And I fully support your fully supportive full support

[@dualswordsman7803]

@@swagninja_2142 🤣

[@Romeo2008lp]

@@swagninja_2142and i entirely support your fully supportive full support comment answering to a supportive support

[@RebekahSmithChildofGod7]

Yeah, I really hope they watch the show. It's never too late

[@rgonzalezarce3815]

Stormfly, Astrid’s dragon is the exact representation of having parrots, but without the tantrums.

[@dragonsman4733]

as someone with a bird who attacks your face and screeches at you if you touch anything blue that he's claimed, I can relate.

[@ma.2089]

@@dragonsman4733 blue? That’s so funny; and sounds very annoying lol

[@dragonsman4733]

@@ma.2089 yeah, if you walk into a room with him flying around, he will only land on you if your wearing something blue. nothing else, just blue. he's got very particular tastes, lol.

[@jeffbrehove2614]

Let me make an analogy: Toothless - Cat Stormfly - Parrot Meatlug - Dog (I'm thinking pug specifically) Barf and Belch - Snake Hookfang - ?????

[@rgonzalezarce3815]

@@jeffbrehove2614 hook fang maybe like having a monitor lizard or large lizards

[@nabinoorshahil2715]

Fun fact there is a canon cartoon series based on this movie. It takes place between movie 1 and 2 and shows Hickups and the villages change between the two movie. I would definitely recommend checking it out. It is good. It is called dreamworks dragons

[@agustinsmania5270]

its a bit hard to find dreamwork's dragons Online, but Netflix does have race to the edge, wich is a follow up to that very same show, taking place once the characters are a bit older but still far away from the second movie

[@vailingbow1068]

@@agustinsmania5270 Yeah. They can watch that relatively safe, but they'll miss out on some stuff from the RoB and DoB. Like Heather or the Screaming Death. The whole plotline with Alvin too. The Skrill of Dagger.

[@agustinsmania5270]

@@vailingbow1068 it also means more screen time for johan, as well as the classics from berk

[@vailingbow1068]

@@agustinsmania5270 True. And they'll understand some references like when Snotlout references Breakneck Bog. And they could also make some parallels with the info they have with the "reveal"

[@xxmension04xx47]

all of the HTTYD cartoon series are canon...except Rescue Riders

[@monster-enthusiast]

The one from the first movie wasn't an alpha. Valka said "every nest has its queen, but this is the king" referring to the ice spitter. The one from the 1st was just a queen of that specific nest.

[@dragonsman4733]

actually the Red death is considered an Alpha, but just has less control over dragons, as the status was made due to how large and how basically imortal her species were, instead of earned from combat. Its more of a fake status, so you are partly right. while the Bewilderbeast controls dragons through a strong hivemind, which is a ability to all Bewilderbeasts, not just the Alpha, she controls them by intimidation alone.

[@strawberryfox8819]

​@@dragonsman4733 Tbh, I find the Red Death far cooler than the Bewilderbeast. Controlling via Hivemind is easy, controlling through intimidation is earned. Also just in general, I liked it a little better in the first movie how they handled her enormous size. Like you could literally feel the weight and terror of her, especially when she suddenly started flying.

[@monster-enthusiast]

That was absolutely not Hiccups fault. It wasn't even him that told Drago about berk, it was Astrid and the friends.

[@iiiisssssaaaaaacccccc]

It also his fault.

[@monster-enthusiast]

@@iiiisssssaaaaaacccccc Drago's fault.

[@GreySeashell-j3m]

Exactly. Narratively, all of this makes sense. It makes sense to Hiccup's character, to the tragic plot of finding a parent and have one last bittersweet reunion only to lose the other, giving an opening to the fallout of the story---the bigger incentive to defeating the villain---and then the rise to victory and Hiccup's crowning. As this is a coming-of-age story for Hiccup, losing Stoick was crucial to the story.

[@purpleirken1529]

Plus, he's a pacifist. It's backed up by the series too.

[@monster-enthusiast]

@j marine I know that Hiccup had a lesson to learn and that he should have listened about Drago, but I'm not talking about the domino effect of all the events leading to all that (It's a movie, it's pretty obvious what story they're trying to tell). I also know Hiccup contributed to the outcome. But I'm talking about who's directly responsible for killing Stoik. Hiccup might have put them in danger, but Drago killed Stoik. I find it ludicrous to blame someone other than the murderer. Plus, it was a battlefield, and Stoik literally jumped in front of toothless to save Hiccup.

[@dragonsman4733]

Valka's full name is Valhallarama, but they shortened it to Valka for pretty understandable reasons. I imagine it would've been pretty hard to say constantly with voice acting.

[@jxy8938]

Considering what Valhalla is that's really cool

[@jakupharrison8051]

I thought it was a play on valkeries.

[@elite_rock_god2292]

Where the fuck does the "k" Come from then!?😂😂😂

[@blackdragon227]

My favorite part is Stoik trying to court Velka, and being willing to accept her refusal. He never got to say goodbye, and now that he knows she's well and happy, he'd accept resuming being without her knowing he at least got the option to be told "No".

[@MissUnstable2432]

The hooked spear weapon that Drago has is inspired by a real life tool that is used to "train" young elephants. They are abused with that tool so that when they are older and bigger and could easily kill their Trainer they don't because they're afraid of getting hurt. Considering that the bewilderbeasts (the big alpha dragons) have tusks like elephants, I think the implications are quite clear. Dragos has probably been abused by him since it was a baby

[@chasegarman2151]

Stoick's dragon is known as a Rumblehorn btw. He is introduced within the TV series Dragons: Race to the Edge.

[@Hunts-so1jb]

You guys should check out the short movies and especially the shows after you finish the movies, they help expand the world and characters and add a ton of new dragons, they’re a treat to watch and explain what happened between the five year timeskip

[@King_Ice01]

@@rygornspectre7142 I support your support.

[@wyattchandler6359]

I support this as well.

[@EthanMallonee]

I also support this

[@numbertwo579]

Especially race to the edge arguably the best thing from this franchise

[@cjdigz7476]

yeah those HTTYD series so I support this.

[@skits_3d824]

Hiccup has experience in changing people's mind actually. I said this before but there are tv shows in between these movies going into their lives with the dragons and plenty of Vikings to change minds.

[@shanajeangedeon9060]

It's implied that Drago controls the Alpha dragon because he raised it, when it actually was small, to fear him instinctually. Kind of how Elephants are trained from a young age on how to do certain tricks because they can't be tamed once they're bigger than their owners.

[@travisherndon94]

Fun fact: Valka (Hiccup's mom) was originally going to be the villain in How to Train Your Dragon 2, but Dean DeBlois wanted to make her reformed so he made her good instead. There's even a early draft storyboard out there showing that.

[@Flugel_Halogen]

So far we only know of four Bewilderbeasts, a mother bewilderbeast from the Netflix show race to the edge, the egg from that mother grows up to become the one Valka has, Drago’s bewilderbeast that he just found by pure luck, and the skeleton of what seems to be a titan class version of the bewilderbeast that makes up most of the island that dragons use as their final resting place

[@Solniczunia]

Fun fact: Toothless's animation was based on a cat owned by one of the animators, there are actually a lot of similarities in physical build and movement between Toothless and a cat imo, but from personality I guess he's more of a dog haha

[@luminous2216]

Where No one Goes (the song that plays during the credits and right after the opening scene) is my FAVORITE SONG. it's the epitome of flying on a dragon, feeling free, just pure adrenaline flowing through you along with LOADS of serotonin. It never fails to give me chills and put me in a good mood with the goofiest smile on my face! Jonsi and John Powell did such a good job on that song!

[@samfisher6606]

This is honestly the best of the three IMO. The lore it establishes, the new characters, the emotion, and score is even better. Especially that opening song when Hiccup and Toothless are flying through the air.

[@samfisher6606]

@@danielmunoz1275 Really, I think Drago is a better villain than the third one. I think his name is Viggo. I don’t even remember it.

[@zzeroara9511]

​@@samfisher6606Viggo is the villain from Race To The Edge, who is by far the best villain in this series : ]

[@jessbellis9510]

Hiccup has always been a pacifist, and throughout the movies and the show has been shown to have near-endless forgiveness. He's too kind for the world.

[@OniLink147]

It's worth pointing out that Hiccup trying to reason with Drago didn't cause Stoick's death. That would have happened regardless when the Alpha exerted control over Toothless.

[@chlsfd]

ikr the fourth guy just be yapping anything lol

[@jesuschristbutafab9923]

​@chlsfd ikr, love this channel bro, but the entire first movie was basically "Hiccup is as stubborn as his dad, who is more stubborn than an ox and a mule combined." Plus the added context of both series (DreamWorks Dragons and Race to the Edge), it's explicitly shown that Hiccup is very persuasive towards most, if not all of his enemies. He had no reason to believe that he couldn't change Drago's mind just because Stoick said so, since he had also been told previously that the other villains also couldn't change. Idk, it also just irked me about blaming Hiccup for his dad's death. Like yeah, his actions probably contributed, but ultimately Drago had the intent to kill, and Stoick was simply in the way. Holy shit sorry chat I yap a lot

[@little_nightfury1762]

The HTTYD website stated that Drago found his Bewildwerbeast as an egg. And once it hatched; well..... Originally Valka was gonna be the villain for the sequel. After Hiccup tells her that he was the one who wounded Toothless it would of sent her over the edge and she would of attacked Berk. But, obviously, they changed that. Along with Valka being the planned villain for this movie; Drago was planned to be the villain for the third movie. Also, it makes sense for Hiccup to want to try to change Drago's mind on dragons. Given both the first movie and both tv series; literally 9/10 of all villains/enemies he had both chagned their views on dragons and became allies. There were three that he failed to change, but that's bc they fucking died (no joke). There is one other but I feel that's bc the writers simply forgot about him. And he really wasn't a "villain"; more like the "old man that complains about and tries to sabotage the fun of the young kids" trope. But yeah, with a record like that you can't really blame Hiccup for wanting to try! Edit: Oh and that yelling thing Drago does; his VA would do yells to warm up his voice before recording. The writers liked it so much that they made into the character. BUT! Funnily enough, yelling was the way the Vikings got dragons to obey them in the books. And yes, Drago is dead.

[@patrickmorrey8722]

Quote from How to Train Your Dragon second edition by professor Yobbish. "Yell at it, loudly."

[@staceyolvey1527]

I feel like you don't necessarily need to watch the series first, but I think it helps Hiccups reasoning make more sense. It isn't based on blind faith, but on his past experiences. Also, I am pretty sure a couple of the people whose minds he changed were warmongers. And strangers as well.

[@wakkiwitch]

**SPOILERS FOR RTTE** but I thought at the end it was revealed that Drogo was still looking for a bewilderbeast.

[@rsmcleary]

How abt we appease everyone and say that the dragons are like dogs with cat mannerisms? Cause they definitely do stuff that cats be doing 😂

[@EthanMallonee]

The majesty of a horse, the freedom of an eagle, the mannerisms of a cat, and the loyalty of a dog.

[@rsmcleary]

@@EthanMallonee This !!!

[@fractalmuse]

Frankly most people just do not have cats because beyond memes they do almost all the things people think are exclusively "dog behaviour"

[@vilmublues752]

At least Toothless acted much more like a cat in the first movie. But after he was tamed and lived with humans, he started to act dog-like too in the next movies.

[@ma.2089]

It just depends on what you live with. I’ve lived with both dogs and cats, but I’ve lived longer with cats, so the dragons feel far more cat like than dog like. The only major difference is the training which feels harder than a dog, but easier than a cat.

[@laplue]

50:31 the Drago's Bewilderbeast situation of how he tamed it was maybe like what happened to the Catastrophic Quakens in Dragons: Race to the Edge, where they have been in captivity for so long, they're used to it. So when Fishlegs tried to convince them to be free, they went back to their captors. Probably Drago got the dragon when it was still an egg.

[@partyleswine5155]

I actually thought that was the same Bewilderbeast under Berserker Island, unless I'm missing something. It's been a while since I've seen the show, but no doubt that guy was raised for so long it's used to it.

[@reaIixx]

Remember at the end of the show Drago said he'd find another King of Dragons himself. The egg they saved from Krogan and Johann was given to the Wingmadiens who gave it to Valka.

[@reaIixx]

So I guess they just grow extremely fast

[@redhood5090]

If you watch the TV series... you'll know that both of those alpha dragons are only 3 years old. Drago looked for an alpha egg to be able to control it as it grew, and control other dragons through it by extension using fear and pain as a motivator to do what he wanted it to, regardless of the size it grew to. The alpha from the nest was the first egg found, and then protected from Drago by Valka and the dragon riders(Hiccup and Co.).

[@grantharriman284]

My favorite detail is right at the end, when hiccup dunks the black sheep in the basket, it's not the basket marked with a night fury. It's the one with a deadly nadder. He dunked it in Astrid's basket.

[@wakkiwitch]

oml i never noticed that!

[@grantharriman284]

@@wakkiwitch He's just as head over heels in love as any of them, and I love it!

[@sokhon6590]

“Some mind can’t be change, Hiccup” In the end, Alpha can’t change toothless mind.

[@OliveNLuv]

Too soon!!!

[@fashioni.star.]

Ok so the dragons are based off of a number of animals. Toothless’s movements are heavily inspired by one of the (I think animator’s) cat with some dog thrown in. Stormfly is most like a parrot, Cloudjumper is based on an owl, and Skullcrusher is a mix between a beetle and a battle axe (source, httyd 2 art book, but I don’t have it in front of me because I’m in college and that’s at home but I read that book religiously)

[@halfknight2310]

50:45 we learnt from other info. He raised it from birth. Beating the infant into submission and forcing his will onto it. Basically, the waving of the hook and shooting reminds it of the abuse drago put it through

[@amvsenpai861]

the world building in the how to train your dragon series is so good

[@albedo5455]

You guys definitely need to watch Riders/Defenders of Berk and Race To The Edge. I'd even argue they're better than the sequels because as a series, it has the advantage of doing more characterization, especially for the side characters, and worldbuilding the movies ever could.

[@lucasM005]

i never got into rider/defenders. i can see why people like it but it just didnt got me. race to the edge on the other hand is absolutelly fucking amazing.

[@zzeroara9511]

​@@lucasM005I'm actually in the same boat, I've seen clips of the first two shows and it just doesn't seem as compelling or fun as the movies or RTTE

[@jxy8938]

In the TV shows it is somewhat implied that drago searched for an alpha species' egg so that he could raise it from a young age. Although that would make timing very confusing. And plus that stick he swings around is used for taming big animals in real life so it's not too confusing how he tamed an alpha.

[@jakupharrison8051]

I love when Stoic calls Astrid his future daughter in law cause a) supporting your sons relationship b) you don't find out in the movies but I'm pretty sure by this point in the story they're actually betrothed. It happens in one of the series.

[@deadsetondreams1988]

How to Train Your Dragon had a television show as well which explains events that happened between the 1st and the 2nd film. So you can get even more character development to explain why the characters did what they did. So the events in this film, mostly the logic and reasoning of each character, will be explained 💙

[@TheGreater-ScopeVillain]

While Drago does want to become unstoppable and take over the world, it’s important to understand that that’s not his entire motivation. His desire to dominate dragons is motivated by revenge for dragons slaughtering his family, burning his village and tearing off his arm when he was a boy. He wants to make all dragons live in fear of him, just as he once lived in fear of them. So while Drago certainly took it too far, his motivation for wanting to overcome and dominate dragons is at least an *_understandable_* one.

[@sara_s1737]

I am so glad you are watching this, hopefully you are enjoying these movies just as we, the fans, do.

[@IgnarXela]

You guys should watch the animated series as it ties into the movies

[@nicodemusmaxwell1624]

And the Netflix series

[@r1a_portals556]

Everything from the hiccup's wings, to the map, Stoick getting Skull crusher and to hiccup and Astrid dating would make absolutely sense after watching the HTTYD race to the edge. I only found out the race to the edge after watching all 3 movies

[@huhhhh-0_0]

9:13 I think she's disgusted and wiping her lips because remember, Toothless just aggressively licked Hiccup's face earlier. Lol

[@alyssabullock6421]

The big dragon from the first movie was a queen. Astrid even said so after they first encountered it. "It's like a giant beehive, they're the workers and that's their queen". And then Hiccup's mother mentioned that "Every nest has its queen" when introducing the Bewilderbeast.

[@tarshnottrash1483]

I don’t think I’ve ever seen any other movie that takes you on such an emotional roller coaster ride. The ups & downs had me in tears of joy,fear & sadness then pride & happiness when I first saw it & multiple views since I still end up with a tear at minimum. These are truly the best movies

[@sunyingshuo9983]

The relationship between Hiccup and Stoick is my favorite part of the movie. They thought they were so different as father and son, and Hiccup clearly thinks he's going to follow Valka's path to take on a dragon quest than Stoick's chief role in Berk. But in the end, they are the same, and Hiccup just becomes something that brings the best of Stoick and Valka together. Also the look on Hiccup when he saw his parents dancing and singing gets me every time. He was confused and curious because he has never had a complete family before.

[@nabinoorshahil2715]

Alpha is a title. As long as a dragon is strong enough they can become an Alpha. The bewilderbeast is an Alpha species in other words every member of this species is an Alpha automatically due to their immense size, unique breath and ability to command other dragon. The one from the last movie was also an Alpha. It was a queen that ruled over that nest.

[@King_Ice01]

Please, you guys! You have to watch the shows, especially Race to the Edge! I'm sure you'll love them. The first ones are Riders of Berk and Defenders of Berk and they happen after the first movie when Hiccup and the others are 15. Race to the Edge is like one or two years before the second movie, they're like 19 or something. And while there are a few inconsistencies, they're canon. And I would dare say they are as good as the movies

[@Sophie-mv7bd]

Drago had the alpha since it was an egg and continuously beat it and tormented it for so long that it knows nothing else except dragos control

[@ssr8555]

Stoick’s death always hits me just as hard as the first time

[@Elizabeth-go4kv]

All of these dragons, the flaming sword, why Stoick is back to being on edge with Hiccup's plans, come from all the different series

[@figbloppa7183]

fun fact: Drago's screams and yells were vocal warmups the voice actor did to play the part, and it was decided to use them in the movie.

[@jneumy566]

Y'all wanna know what happened to Drago? There was an unmade sequel to two canon books that take place immediately after this movie. Although it was shelved, they had a plot figured out, which consisted of Hiccup and Toothless being lost in a storm, being rescued by a massive water dragon which brings them to an underwater Viking ruin that's located in a massive air bubble. There, they find that Drago was also rescued by that dragon. He has since found a centipede-like dragon that is described to be a bit like Venom from Spiderman in that it latches onto him like a parasite and has a sumbiotic relationship with him. So this centipede dragon has attached itself to the stump of his shoulder and now acts as a flamethrower arm. When Drago and Hiccup meet, Drago declares that they are going to finish this right here, right now, and only one of them will make it out of the ruin alive. All of Hiccup's weaponry was lost at sea in the storm, and Toothless can't use a plasma blast for risk of hitting the cavern wall and flooding it with the ocean. The centipede dragon also draws off Drago's hatred which is so strong that it allows the dragon to resist Toothless' commands as the alpha. So what ensues is a game of cat and mouse through these ruins where Hiccup struggles to find a way to defeat Drago without his weapons, grapples with his mostly pacifistic ideals in this situation where he must either kill Drago or be killed himself. He does end up grinding Toothless' scales into a fire proof paste that he applies to his body. Eventually (in the interview where the writer talks about the plot of the book, he doesn't go into detail of how it happens) Hiccup does manage to kill Drago, and it would've been shown to be a very grim and clearly final end for Drago, something that would've cost Hiccup a piece of his soul to do. And since the two books that this is a sort of sequel to are canon, then even though the book was never completed, the entire plot had been figured out and is therefore pretty much canon as well

[@jesuschristbutafab9923]

Holy shit new hc, this is now canon in my heart

[@jneumy566]

@@jesuschristbutafab9923 technically it is canon because the comics were co-written by the director of the films and he considers them to be canon. Which also means he considers the two shows canon too since they directly reference the Screaming Death in the first comic literally minutes after the end of the second movie.

[@jesuschristbutafab9923]

@@jneumy566 LETS FUCKING GOOOO MORE TRAUMA FOR MY BELOVED CHARACTERS >:D

[@tylerstamps9415]

One thing I noticed about this series is the fact that Hiccup loses something important to him in every movie and each time it’s sadder In the first he loses his leg In the second he loses his father In the third… well you’ll have too see But when I saw it in the theaters, no one walked out with dry eyes

[@tylerstamps9415]

@@theamazingspooderman2697 I didn't want to spoil it for anyone who hasn't watched it yet

[@luisaguayo1112]

I honestly would like to see the series and short films of this franchise even more now

[@jxy8938]

The netflix series is better to watch than the movies imo. In a story telling and arc perspective

[@grantharriman284]

This is so So SO MUCH more intense than what we got at the time because you didn't get spoiled by trailers the way we did. They revealed Valka as his mom before we even got to the theatre.

[@augustrempelewert4377]

I'm not sure if this is still my favorite movie of all time, but it's definitely still up there. The ending monologue is so emotional. It makes me want to actually do stuff, which is not easy to accomplish.

[@JesseNightingale]

The reason why they age is bcause between each movie there is a cartoon series where they do things so you see how Hiccup obtains his sword and the process of the dragon scale armor I do believe.

[@cleversoar]

The first big dragon from the movie is one of the QUEEN that Valka talked about where every nest has one, and the Bewilderbeast is a KING

[@frederickh.davidv8965]

Hiccup’s firesword, Inferno, is a direct reference to lightsabers from Star Wars Also, in the TV series, he constructs a specialized shield that is arguably a reference to Captain America’s shield

[@figbloppa7183]

ngl that opening scene with hiccup and toothless flying together might be the best one in the whole series.

[@Shy__Idiot]

Just to inform there are 3 shows that are in between movies 1 and 2 ,in time line order there is "Riders of Berk", "Defenders of Berk" and "Race to the Edge" they are obviously not needed to know the main story but they are great they explore and develop the characters(most of Hiccup and Astrids relationship) and the world mainly dragons,they are some of my favorite shows and highly recommend if interested in the HTTYD World.

[@zzeroara9511]

and one of the MANY bonuses of Race is that we (BIG spoilers in case you plan on watching it, btw) get to see hiccup develop the fire sword over the course of multiple seasons. one of the plenty of genius ideas the people making that show had that ended up just making it better : )

[@dualswordsman7803]

there is an entire series between the first film and the second film. The riders of berk / The defenders of berk / Race to the edge. All these tell what happens in between these movies. And the world building and the storyline in this series is awsome, the creators do a very good job to connect every thing together with the movies as well

[@ap7635]

There was actually a really long and decently high quality spin off series about Hiccup and his friends that took place between the first and second movie. I don't know if it can be considered canon but if it can then it actually adds a lot of context to Hiccup's belief that he can talk down Drago. He faces a lot of enemies over the course of the series and many of them eventually reform and become crucial allies in the later seasons. Some examples include Alvin the Treacherous (A former friend of Stoick who eventually reconciles with him), Dagur the Deranged (who at his worst was far more unhinged than Drago but later becomes a fan favorite), Viggo Grimborn (who was Eret's predecessor and arguably the most cunning and nefarious villain in the franchise but ended up literally dying for Hiccup). All of this probably sounds really hamfisted and wishy washy but the implementation was usually great. The end result though, is that Hiccup saw most of his worst enemies eventually reform, which lead to him not being ruthless enough against Drago.

[@zoldyck2127]

when Dragos bewilders beast was a baby it was greatly abused and hurt by Drago (no need for specifics) which instilled fear into the dragon which is why he follows Drago due to the fear from abuse from Drago

[@thatoneperson271]

Okay I feel like using my extensive knowledge of this series to good use to help clear things up a bit. 1. Alphas aren’t a singular species they’re a status. 2. The green death (big dragon in the first movie) is like the queen of the hive, every nest has one. 3. The ice dragons in this movie (bewilderbeasts) are aquatic dragons and in this movie dragos dragon and valkas dragon are competing for the alpha title 4. The alpha can’t control minds that’s only a bewilderbeast thing That’s all i got rn hope u enjoy the 3rd movie and the two tv series if u wanna react to that

[@Flugel_Halogen]

When toothless broke out of the ice and started glowing blue he was beyond pissed that he tried to kill hiccup, you can see it on his face

[@t-rexcellentreviews1663]

As Hiccup said in the beginning of the very first movie. “We’re Vikings, we have stubbornness issues.” Their is an interesting symmetry between Hiccup and Stoick in both this movie and the first one, where both are hellbent on stopping war in their own way and won’t be dissuaded from their course, and it ultimately costs both severely at the others expense, Stoick not listening to Hiccup about the Red Death and using Toothless to lead the Vikings to Dragon Island is ultimately what cost Hiccup his leg and Hiccup here not listening to Stoick about Drago and trying to redeem him ultimately cost Stoick his life, saving his son from a mind controlled dragon. Their are a lot of characters in this series, both in the movies and the tv show who simply won’t be dissuaded from the destinies they’ve set for themselves until it’s either to late or something has forcibly snapped them out of it, Hiccup, Stoick, Drago and Grimmel are all perfect examples of this in their own, all four characters our simply to stubborn for their own good, with each one trying to forcibly change the world around them to fit their particular desires.

[@ViewerOnline101]

The giant dragon from the first one is called a Red Death, and it's the "queen" of dragons. The giant ones from this movie are called Bewilderbeasts, and they're the "kings" of dragons. There's actually a theory that since the Bewilderbeast provides food for the other dragons that the one Drago tamed was the king of the giant dragon from the first movie, and without it to provide food, the Red Death forced all the other dragons to constantly feed it.

[@onetrackmind3558]

No no Hiccup said "Maybe we'll find another Night Fury".

[@onetrackmind3558]

Some people believe that Bewilderbeast can reproduce asexual. But when Volka said this is the king of all dragons she means they are alpha dragons that protects the all. For example people call Toothless's Godzila looking mode a Titan Wing mode just because of a game but it isn't, people call it an Alpha Mode. When Volka says they're rare she means the Bewilderbeast not the Alpha Species.

[@traineeCross]

Has anyone said that in the end, when Hiccup caught the black sheep, he threw it into Astrid's basket? That is, he gave 10 points to her. I find this detail quite cute :"3

[@TheBlackLakeSiren]

Please consider watching the TV series in order. They're very good. Lots of cool designs for dragons too. It fills in the gaps between the films.

[@reflect5161]

The big dragon from the first movie was an alpha. But as they said in this movie every nest has their queen. The dragon in the first movie was a queen. It's also a titanwing which is a special breed of dragon who is usually bigger and stronger than the same species of the same dragon. So for an example if toothless was a titanwing he'd be bigger and stronger than other nightfuries. Probably more colorful as well. But yeah the dragon from the first movie was an alpha, just not a male

[@patrickmorrey8722]

Not sure if this is what you meant but the Red Death and the Bewilderbeasts are not the same species. The Bewilderbeasts are very clearly seadragons due to their fins and the inability to breathe fire as well as the fact that Drago's was underwater until the fight. The Red Death has wings and can breathe fire, so it's not the same species. If that isn't what you meant then sorry but I wanted to clarify.

[@reflect5161]

@@patrickmorrey8722 I never said they were I said they were both alpha dragons 😅

[@ShadowStormray]

This movie and the first one will always be the most important movies from my entire childhood

[@Alphasnowbordergirl]

As people say, there was a TV show inbetween movies. I think that is why the second one had more personality as well as they had a chance to really develop the side characters with distinct personalities and solidify it. In Race to the Edge, you do actually see the set up for How to Train Your Dragon 2 and Astrid and Hiccup get engaged. Definitely a kid show, but I still enjoyed it as an adult.

[@vailingbow1068]

Although one thing I found weird with Drago's fire resistant cape is that sure, it protects you from the fire, but it shouldn't protect you from the heat...

[@jonreese7066]

I am glad they went this route. I heard somewhere the original script was Hiccups' mom was supposed to be the villain in this one and Drago was supposed to be in the third.

[@o0ugi860]

Hman blaming stoics death on hiccup as if the alpha mind controlling wouldn't mind control toothless regardless of the situation lmao

[@frescopino7866]

Man, to see this movie without the tremendous spoilers from the trailers. Like, first thing they showed back then was Velka's unmasking scene, it was absolutely crazy.

[@zzeroara9511]

This is genuinely one of the absolute most magical and magnificent movies ever. I shit you not, I've seen this movie around 10 times since it came out and that scene with hiccup and toothless flying still makes me cry at how much I genuinely love this movie with all of my heart

[@AndiReservation]

I think the dragons are based on dogs and cats, cuz toothless is based of a cats, and fish legs's dragon based of a dog

[@winstance4493]

The Big Dragon from the first movie actually was indeed an Alpha as well

[@millieboon]

They are around 20 now as he was about 14/15 in the first movie

[@serenshadow89]

9:07 actually, you're all right. They used cat, dog, and bird behavior to inspire the dragons which is why sometimes Toothless is very cat-like (especially in the first half of the first movie) while other times he's very dog-like. And as you see when he meets other dragons, very bird-like with the head-movement/dances.

[@Beeba10]

Answers to your questions/comments made in the video: - "Oh, they're a little bit older now!" Yep! As mentioned a couple of minutes later, this movie is set about 5 years after the first. Back then, they were 15 and 14 (the twins are slightly younger than the others), and now they are 20 and 19. - "This is confirmation that Hiccup and Astrid are pretty serious." They became betrothed to one another in the tv series Race to the Edge, I believe it was the beginning of Season 5. They'd finally gotten together at the end of the pervious season, and it's all very adorable #Hiccstrid - So there are different Classes of dragon in the series. Hiccup briefly mentioned some in the first movie while reading the Book of Dragons ("Strike Class, Fear Class . . ."). For example, Stormfly is a Tracker Class dragon (formerly Sharp Class, but that was retconned by movie 2), Toothless is Strike Class, and the Bewilderbeast is Water Class, which is why it swims under water. - 33:54 The other reason is . . . well . . . 🏳‍🌈 - Hiccup's "Come on . . ." after blowing up Drago is both a callback to his failed attempts to fly solo earlier (i.e. when he crashed), and also to the first movie, when he and Toothless lost control and hit the Red Death's tail. - It's not confirmed in the movies, but I'm sure I read somewhere that yes, Drago drowned when his Bewilderbeast dove into the water with him still standing on it.

[@Beeba10]

@@theamazingspooderman2697 yep! I won't say where in case they read this comment, but yes, it does make another appearance in the 3rd movie 😊

[@luckybug479]

Shows like Riders of Berk, Race to the Edge, and shorts like Racing for the Gold and the Gift of the Night Fury really help fill in all the gaps that the movies don’t cover 😊 All full of our same lovable characters and dragons but we get to flesh them out more

[@omegafox4724]

A little context for You guys,the dragón of the fiesta movie was a queen,hiccup's mom said that "every nest has their queen"

[@IraserH]

The great anti-parallel between parts 1 and 2 is: in part 1 Hiccup was trying to convince Stoic but in part 2, Stoic was the one trying to convince Hiccup.

[@onetrackmind3558]

Believe it or not that's not the biggest a Bewilderbeast can get. You should see a Titan Wing Bewilderbeast.

[@joshuacoldwater]

45:42 “I blame Hiccup”- Did we not watch the same movie? They all battled him first, and they lost the battle. Drago killed their alpha, and was going to take over Berk either way. So when you say “battling him” i guess I’m confused, because at NO point in any of these films has anyone said that Hiccup has any physical strength, he is a completely rational and emotionally intelligent young man. Even when he goes back to Berk, he doesn’t attack him. He gets toothless back to him, and they make a majority of the decisions as one.

[@onetrackmind3558]

The Bewilderbeast is apart of the Tidal Class. Aquatic Dragons.

[@onetrackmind3558]

No Toothless is more cat and dog but mostly cat.

[@venom890]

Man, Barf & Belch are probably my favorite names for the dragons

[@Vugtis_El_VillaVODS]

About Hiccup's overconfidence of getting captured and reasoning with a psychopathic murderer. Dragons to vikings were seen as psychopathic murderers and mauraders It wasn't until Hiccup tried to get to know dragons that finally bridged the violent gap between the 2 races. To him it's 'If I can communicate with a different species, I can talk to someone like me

[@jervisangelopitao7118]

Fun fact, skullcrusher is actually Stoick's SECOND Dragon, it was never explicitly stated how his first died in the series but yeah Stoick had another dragon b4 skullcrusher

[@williehughes1690]

Man I always love seeing Hicup wielding his Inferno sword such a badass and brilliant concept it's purpose is to help him make a connection with other wild dragons while also being an intimation factor against human enemies.

[@AnCatalyst]

Stoic : it takes more then a little fire to kill me! Toothless : wanna bet? And the bad Alpha actually looked very sad after Stoic got shot

[@bubbykins4864]

The keyword here is "fire". Plasma blasts are not fire.

[@AnCatalyst]

@@bubbykins4864 pshhhhttt

[@joaoparente1717]

Just to make things clear, an alpha is a dragon that is in charge of a nest or hive of dragons, the dragon from the 1st movie (called the Red Death) was indeed an alpha, she comtrolled her group of dragons. The Biwelderbeats were also alphas of their own groups, but once an alpha challenges another alpha nd wins they become in charge of both groups

[@dolfwashere9421]

5:24 took the words right out of my mouth 😂

[@LadyDinoCrisis]

You guys should really react to the series Dragons: Riders of Berk, Dragons: Defenders of Berk and especially Dragons: Race to the Edge, if you want more HTTYD content.

[@evadedark_9367]

Um I don’t know if you guys know about this or would even consider watching it, but for the record, there is a series on how to train your Dragon from the first movie to the second movie, and it tells the story of different dragons they find, and in the end they found some thing, but didn’t realize it was there, and someone took it It’s near the end of the series. And I don’t wanna spoil it because it ties in with how to train your Dragon two. Just to let you guys know. 50:35 that will answer your question right here in the timestamp