How top players play Slay the Spire with

[@averageaf4321]

I love these videos where you talk with other people! They give great insight into what y'all are thinking and how you make decisions! I loved the vibe of the video where you sat down with him and Terrance and went over your streaks, it was like old spire veterans sitting round the fire and retelling their adventures.

[@xLn7]

Was gonna put this as background noise while playing, but probably 30 minutes into it I found myself just minimizing everything on other monitor and watching this at 100% attention. Very fun and informative. Great content creators

[@jonathanscher]

"You learn more when you lose than when you win".... I must be learning a lot !

[@yourcatgirl6787]

I just got so incredibly happy seeing this pop up on my feed, time to get cozy and vibe to good conversation about one of my favourite games.

[@Arganoid]

Baalor: "I don't think anybody makes it through an A20 run without making a mistake somewhere" Very true, for example yesterday I forgot that I was using Loop+Frost to block after 30 turns against Awakened One, and put a dark orb in front.

[@SgtGitaroo]

What a lovely conversation! I would definitely watch more collab content with Jorbs and Baalor.

[@undeniablySomeGuy]

I came to a realization that very few people in the entire world can have a conversation like this. You are both such masters of what you do while being incredibly humble and thoughtful

[@CosmicIceCream]

So true, they are both masterful at StS, I'm certain my success in the game is heavily influenced by watching so much of their stuff :)

[@yourcatgirl6787]

Absolutely enjoyed every minute of this conversation, the amount of insight one can get from listening to people have a conversation about a topic they are passionate about is something i really love experiencing. Now it is definitely time to go and get some chocolate cause i died to jaw worm twice while watching this and i deserve it.

[@besbin7]

I cannot begin to calculate how many hours I have spent watching both of you on KZbin...

[@CosmicIceCream]

Good to see my 2 favorite StS streamers comparing notes! Just shy of 2k hours into StS myself and I found myself nodding along to your thoughts on strategies.

[@johnjoeson3115]

I would like to see a collabo run series where they talk through their decisions and bounce ideas off each other. Like what sneakyteak and rhapsody did.

[@SkilledTadpole]

Blessed combo

[@CosmicIceCream]

Yeah that was really cool, I'd love to see more of it.

[@mertaliyigit3288]

Imagine it was a prismatic shard run AND they get offered clash and claw at the same time. They would throw chairs at each other

[@CityscapeMuse]

I'm not even 10 minutes into this yet (so I'll probably add onto my own comment as I go), and Jorbs brings up streaming fortitude basically and discusses ableism, and I love how thoughtful you guys are just straight out the gate, about having a healthy relationship with fun

[@mememaster8050]

YES. I needed this, thank you guys.

[@TheFlamebug]

One of my first thoughts when Baalor matched 17-0 was "I hope this means we'll get another streak retrospective collab" Very pleasant surprise this morning, I know I'll be chewing through this discussion for a while. Congrats on the streaks!

[@nickott158]

A wonderful way to spend an afternoon. Thanks for all the great insight. So awesome to see you and Baalor bounce things off each other and riff! Two masters at work.

[@fivetwoeighty7012]

3:00:00 As someone who admittedly perpetuates the negativity of pitting streamers against each other in my head, I really respect Jorbs for showing a lot of vulnerability surrounding that topic. And I appreciate him adding a heaping ton of nuance to my attitude towards how others play strategy games, or even how they run their streams.

[@Irtoms]

This was great to see. There should be like a monthly get together for the spire streamers.

[@ethandavis7310]

It's so beautiful how you're both masters at the game, but Jorbs had so many runic pyramid wins and Baalorlord had so many with snecko

[@Jorbs]

Pyramid and Snecko are both definitely both very strong and also very strategy-warping.

[@blue_thingys8813]

@@Jorbs So they're both really strong, what if we combined them? Surely it's twice as strong?

[@musicexams5258]

@@blue_thingys8813 funny thing is: Baalorlord's Snecko + Pyramid win rate is 100%

[@SuperYtc1]

It shows that they're not masters because if they were playing perfectly optimally they'd be making the same decisions.

[@ethandavis7310]

@@SuperYtc1 nope. Where in the universe does it say that optimal play has no variety? It could very well be the case that if a given run gets to the boss relic reward screen, then optimal play gives 100% win rate picking either snecko or pyramid. Additionally, where does it say being a master at a game implies optimal play? Some people really need to think before speaking

[@gadgas6905]

Finally my two favorite sts youtubers are collabing

[@kobarsos82]

same. xD

[@Bishopn-np7ss]

"It's not the size of the deck that matters, it's how you use it" Baarlorlord maybe

[@mageferago]

This is really cool can we have more stuff like this After listening to the full 3 hours I think it's really beautiful how it came full circle to the jaw worm fight. I too will be using this as a metaphor for life.

[@ad6499]

Aww yeah baby the Lord and the Jorbs coming together

[@koalawithchaingun53]

So I need to trim my hair short and wear glasses to be a pro STS player, gotcha

[@Junotekh]

1000s hours into the game, and learned so much from this video. Thank you

[@erickthomas6133]

This is awesome Jorbs! Love seeing you two review your runs and compare what you’ve come back with. Big fan of you and Baalor both so this was really cool to watch!

[@uofajoe99]

Great stuff by two awesome dudes!

[@surubialt4838]

Got whiplash hearing CRIMSON BLUR in this video and not a melee video!

[@shyguypro9876]

That 47 damage jaw worm run taught me to never abandon a run.

[@SkateFallen1424]

it was so funny watching it live, cuz he had just said like 10 minutes earlier that he thinks its statistically impossible to die on floor 1 with optimal play. And then the very next floor one he came super close to dying to a jaw worm

[@eggdog7715]

"pretty good game except for the jaw wurm. i cannot for the life of me understand how the devs put out patch after patch without nerfing this ridiculous enemy. you might as well put the final boss of the game on the first floor. runs are won and lost based entirely on enemy rng. butr otehr thanf that, quite good, love the graphics." - Jorbulon

[@artsho]

these guys are insane! i only have 225 hrs on StS and my A20 win rate is like 0.0001% so hoping to improve! interesting to imagine being a professional StS player (i know they do variety sometimes)

[@tazman8806]

Better than me. I have 205 hours in and my highest character is at a8

[@kobarsos82]

You actually ascended to 20 too fast, nice. I am on 250 hours on the steam account and I'm still on ~A14 even though I rarely lose runs. But I raise all characters with rotation. I just play too slowly and carefully to avoid mistakes. But it does take a lot of time this way so maybe not the most optimal thing to do or recommend.

[@jameswood7207]

Same here man! I feel proud for just reaching a20 at similar hours (~250 or so) 😂. I attribute much of that to watching a lot of Jorbs content to learning how to pilot the characters in a more dynamic way, rather than following deck archetypes. That said, I do feel this weird guilt that I haven’t really explored these strategies myself and have just copy pasted the tried and tested strategies of a highly experienced player with thousands of hours. Above all, I love the spires ability to reward your creativity when it comes to your deckbuilding - no two runs ever feel the same. I want to play a bit more creatively, even if my WR will most likely drop. I’ve often wondered what it would be like to play a game like this professionally- I don’t think I could play StS full time-I would need to test more than just my analytical part of my brain or I would get bored.

[@SkateFallen1424]

@@jameswood7207 minor correction: no two runs are exactly the same *unless you're playing watcher :)

[@Njugi22]

Amazing watch. Kinda sad Jorbs doesn't mention his lengthy discussion with that other StS player (sorry can't remember the name) about Watcher. Jorbs argued very much against forcing Watcher infinites, then slowly turned to forcing infinites after that, after trying it. Before that, Flurry was probably his most important common, I feel like. I very much appreciate the ability to change the style based on evidence though.

[@aneirintruong824]

Merl!

[@Merl61]

Yeah I do want to say that I don't think "forcing" infinites is correct. I would more so characterize my style as "leaving myself open" to the infinite. If you force it every run you will die when you otherwise wouldn't.

[@mememaster8050]

@@Merl61The legend himself

[@cscott024]

This was a great video idea, I'd love to see more like it (also been enjoying the "brand new account videos")! As a pretty new player who just hit A3, it's not only super informative, but it was also reassuring to hear that you each have different strategies and playstyles that can get winstreaks on A20. I've been struggling with that, "Should I play to my strengths and experiment, or just try to learn what's optimal?" This video helped me realize that it's going to be way more fun and rewarding to try to figure some things out for myself, nobody knows exactly what's optimal in every situation anyway, and I can still save time by learning from streamers. For instance, taking Snecko Eye when I already have Runic Pyramid... I can skip that experiment. Also it was interesting to hear that you switched from dying at Heart to dying at earlier acts, because that was my experience too, even on lower ascension. Once I switched my playstyle on Watcher, I wasn't getting to Heart anymore, but when I finally did, I beat it easily. And since then I've started to see why people say Watcher is super strong. Thanks for everything Jorbs, I can see myself playing a lot of this game, and I'm sure I'll be watching a lot of your videos in the meantime!

[@harryalerta]

After listening to them talking I think I learned so much. I am a good player now! *takes 43 from Jaw worm imediatly*

[@jamismiscreant7514]

I always like the jorbs discussion videos they are some of my favorite non-shovel content

[@miguelmackay4851]

i cannot believe my eyes, two legends at the same time on my screen!

[@jayhay3746]

What a video. MORE please. Understanding expert card synergy use is fundamental. I'm stuck at ascension 7 ironclad. Only really get to the end with impervious, exhumes, barricade and intangibles

[@Bluesquidify]

I think it's their personal relationship with the Whale that makes all the difference.

[@zaelo310]

Love “loss conditions” on watcher

[@secretnamemcsecreton]

Watching this channel has definitely helped me; I had lost 24 rounds on ascension 3 before I decided to actively learn ironclad and now Ive finished ascension 3, 4, and 5 back to back! enjoying playing on ps remote to handheld while I walk on treadmill!

[@dios_dong]

"How much worse is it to take 47 vs taking 4" approximately 12 times worse

[@dumbgames4933]

Always love these! Thanks both!

[@travispick5160]

Your Chess analogy is spot on. I will find some tactics in game, but when you don't know it's there, it's hard to sack your queen in some odd way because it enables a forced mate.

[@sidgar1]

*sac your queen, since it's sacrifice, not sackrifice :)

[@In_Space]

@@sidgar1 Its slang/alternate meaning, not a short form.

[@sidgar1]

@@In_Spaceit is slang but the slang is "sac" which is short for sacrifice. Not "sack"

[@morimementos]

Great video. This isn’t so much a comment re: the video as it is a shout into the void, but I hope one day that we might be able to see how much damage we deal with a card on a respective run like we can see stats with relics

[@benkester1518]

Collab where one player picks the cards and another plays the combat.

[@mememaster8050]

I would pay to see Jorbs play with Baalor's deck lol. Pretty sure he can manage.

[@ethandavis7310]

Sometimes you gotta take 4 damage to jaw worm is 100% gonna help me through some tough decisions in the future

[@kyletowne9798]

My two favorite streamers, love this!

[@MrForsar]

What!!! This is so amazing to see.

[@ThePlebicide]

Great Discussion

[@layla_solomon]

this was so good, loved all the chat

[@davfabrizio]

Now thats some top tier collab!

[@Mattball82]

I just got rewarded with a blue candle for one of my 3 relics from taking Calling Bell 👍 I figured this would be appreciated here lol

[@Slotherson]

Man so excited to watch all of this! Can never catch the streams due to conflicting schedules (damn you work!) But love hearing thought processes that you have and you bouncing that off of other who are just as skilled as you are is a very interesting take and good content. Would love to see more content like this with other streamers (my homeboy tricky has a crazy outlook on the game compared to you, and he just recently started streaming compared to just KZbin content creation, would love to see how his outlook compares to yours)

[@mikemarshall4081]

Very informative and wholesome! Love both your youtube vids, but found this lovely

[@DR.LingeringFrey]

This is … the best.

[@wern]

Thanks!

[@Darksunjiiin]

I think I could listen to conversation forever.

[@bencarrasquillo]

Thank you for the absurdly long video!

[@TheRedsMan11]

Woah. Chocolate and peanut butter back together again.

[@EntityMordecai]

What is this? A crossover episode?

[@blue_man7438]

The discussion about playing with the end game in mind more than the early game is interesting. I've played a handful of Poker Quest (I think jorbs has also played some) and some advice that I felt was "common knowledge" on their discord server when asking how to get better was "take worthwhile risks early for good payoff, because if they don't work out, starting over is quicker & less of a walk back than from the later stages of the game." I don't think the exact same sentiment is being portrayed here, but I think there's some connection // similarity in idea?

[@Jorbs]

I'd say that's a bit different, because it's from the angle of saving time. I'm saying that I currently feel like it's better to take risks early from the angle of having a higher chance to win overall if you do so. But it's definitely a similar kind of idea.

[@diamsword6273]

Have you ever/are you thinking of doing a coop run where you play a run together ? Might be time expensive

[@RootReducer]

I would love to see you two play some A20 runs together live!

[@moartems5076]

Well, at least its a winstreak for Gremlin leader

[@TheAlpha0zero]

an INTP Baalor crossover with an INTJ Jorb, powerful duo here

[@lilxJosex704]

You are Awesome Jorbs👍🏼👍🏼

[@Punk_Falcon]

This video is over a year old but i just found it and I NEED to know if the Crimson Blur that Jorbs mentions wins 10 in a row early on the video is the same Crimson Blur from the Smash Bros Melee Community

[@drunkengaming4782]

I thought these people where the same person all this time

[@je3043]

The goats of the spire!

[@hijim3874]

Would you be interested in reviewing some of your older runs and all the differences from current playstyle? Might be interesting

[@nathanieljones8043]

2:25:00 sever soul is cool but what it was 1 energy and rewarded you for exhausting cards and scaled then you would have second wind

[@jonathanscher]

I'd be extremely interested in a combined run, where you have to both agree on choices before picking a path, a card or a relic

[@G4mer_D4d]

1:30:00 I'm currently running establishment with sand of time and wallop 😂 its fun anyway and I beat second act so far.... ofc, I obvi have meditate+

[@marcinlisowski137]

Can we get some timestamps?

[@samv9425]

BEST VIDEO YAYAYA

[@perfidy1103]

Couldn't you have made this 37s shorter?

[@braves4life25]

3:14:16? Lol

[@ErolCanAkbaba]

That would've been sweet as pi.

[@bluechickenman8230]

Two very intelligent, experienced, entertaining, humble, and pragmatic people talking about one of the best games ever for 3 hours? Dream come true.

[@saysalla]

"you're asking me to do that day in and day out every day of my life for like 6 hours" wow that's rough, it almost sounds like a job :(

[@Thecurseofsanity]

@39:40 fuck wild strike, all my homies hate wild strike

[@skandalond]

I thought you guys were the same person for some reason