How Toxic Marvel and Star Wars Fans Have Weakened Hollywood

[@bend316]

What do you think of these studios trying to please these toxic fans? Can you think of any other ways you think this might be negatively affecting the content they produce?

[@TheOnlyOpie]

If they actually wanted to please the fans, they would be succeeding. Putting out garbage and then saying it's the fans fault for the garbage failing isn't even insulting anymore. We'll just sit home and laugh at it.

[@etherealceleste]

Name-calling? Really? Toxic is not synonymous with discerning. Apparently, cultural appropriation was a term created specifically to prevent young gullible people from becoming cultured.

[@kievroyle2346]

Not liking shitty movies = toxic fans 😂😂 nice work. Artificial nuance

[@bend316]

k!

[@rodster811]

I wasn't aware that you pleased fans by making bad tv shows and movies 🤔 I wasn't aware that insulting your audience was pleasing them 🤔 I wasn't aware that burning money on shows people don't like was pleasing them 🤔

[@bend316]

@@rodster811 you’ve probably just out grown it, which is fine. Or it’s out grown you. Watch what you like

[@rodster811]

​@@bend316 I already do

[@bend316]

@@rodster811 that’s great to hear 😀

[@nickcharles1284]

@@bend316 75 year old fans of "A New Hope" have not outgrown it. The built in fan base, had not outgrown Star Wars. They were ready for more. Then the manure flowed.

[@Crystalgate]

@@bend316 You can for any product that makes a change which is not appreciated make that claim that it "out grew them". What does out grown even mean in this case? Regardless, good marketing strategy requires that you get new audience while retaining the old, it's many times harder to get a new viewer than it is to keep you old viewer. Obviously, there are a few people who you just can't please, but considering that Acolyte did so bad it got cancelled when previously planned project were instead put on a permanent "not done yet" status indicates that the Acolyte not only did poorly with the small minority.

[@skowollon84]

is this video a parody? or being sarcastic? the whole thing about it is that big companies simply buy IPs that have a well established fanbase, in fact millions of people from different generations and produce new stuff not to "please" the audience but simply slap them in their faces. That was "The last jedi" to me. It was a big ass slap in my face because they made my childhood hero Luke Skywalker an old washed-up idiot who tried to kill his own nephew because he feared what he might become. the same man who was willing to die for his father because he saw the good in him has become this unrecognizable abomination. And it all was because of a director and producers who think that "they know better". Same goes for the series. they spit into the faces of the fans. its not fan service. it hate. And here they are. Mourning their million dollar losses because the audience they make this content for is not interested at all in this IP. Your video is nothing but a total misunderstanding of what it is really about

[@riyuhizamura8995]

Agreed. There's no way this is serious. I didn't watch the acolyte. I have no reason to watch it. Episode 7 ruined star wars and it got worse from there with each one.

[@KryRubix]

Ah, look at that mature adult with his mature view on things. Defending these poor multi billion dollar corporations and film studios. What a hero! The entertainment industry is in it's golden era guys, why complain? These poor billion dollar companies owe you nothing! Just keep your mouth shut and consume their great products.

[@bend316]

100% exactly what I'm saying!

[@TarisSinclair]

Blaming fans when it's the studio's fault for disrespecting, ignoring, rewriting, and screwing up decades of canon and great stories. While in fact the toxicity lies with people trying to gaslight the true fans who simply want to see their beloved franchise approached with respect and understanding for what makes them special.

[@bend316]

@@TarisSinclair k

[@purefoldnz3070]

another reason why Google tried to remove the dislike button from KZbin

[@TarisSinclair]

@@purefoldnz3070 Technically they did. It's still there but it doesn't count the dislikes into the score.

[@purefoldnz3070]

@@TarisSinclair sure it does, its especially nice to go back and see how many dislikes the Snow White trailer has gathered.

[@thedude0000]

_While in fact the toxicity lies with people trying to gaslight the true fans_ We literally saw Kathleen Kennedy & Co. gaslighting fans before the first episode of The Acolyte dropped. They knew the writing & story was horrible; so, they started the campaign early to gaslight fans. ANY CRITICISM of the show was deemed "racist, homophobic, etc..."

[@MohseenLala]

making weak movies and shows is what's weakened Hollywood. not toxic fans. it's funny, where are all these toxic fans for house of dragons, penguin, GoT s 1-4, breaking bad, joker 1, new Batman , etc. good product make good outcome.

[@carlotruppi3314]

The minute you call people who don’t agree with you “toxic” you’ve lost the plot. I understand if you’re a company making terrible content, you need to rationalize for PR. But if you’re a KZbinr parroting this line, you’re kind of a moron. As a business owner, there’s nothing more precious than customer feedback. If a few people tell you your product sucks but you’re still successful, oh well you can’t please everyone. If you’re product tanks and millions of people are telling you why, thank you I’ll do better next time.

[@bend316]

There are 100% toxic fans for those shows, just in different ways. HOTD had backlash for the lesbian kiss in season 2, Penguin even had people upset online for having a sofia falcone focused episode. But even then, there are plenty of examples of toxic fans even railing against the 'good products'. Like I said with True Detective, it got great reviews and people liked it, and it still had toxic hate. Captain Marvel was well received, made a billion and there were still people raging online about brie larson.

[@rodster811]

​@@bend316 It doesn't hold up your claim of toxic fans weakening the media.

[@thedude0000]

You forgot a show.... *Andor* Seriously, it's the best comparison to any of the other SW shows/movies. If all these "toxic" fans were so evil, then why was Andor loved so much?!?!?!?

[@ccr9955]

I love blaming them making complete dog-shit on the fans lmao.

[@bend316]

I'm blaming both the studios and the superfans

[@rodster811]

​@@bend316 Not really. You're blaming the fans more than you are blaming the studios which is what studios have done and it hasn't worked out for them.

[@bend316]

@@rodster811 K!

[@TheOnlyOpie]

"You won't believe this." You're correct, after a decade of being blamed for the garbage they put out failing, nobody believes you.

[@bend316]

k!

[@Hoopsrocks]

Question: if super fans are a tiny minority, how are they getting a billion in box office takings from them?

[@bend316]

Casual fans and general movie goers aka normal people are what makes movies billions of dollars at the box office, not 'superfans'.

[@TheOnlyOpie]

​@bend316 then how are the "toxic" superfan minority ruining Hollywood, if the casuals are where all the money comes from?

[@martyrzade]

Top four Star Wars films at the box office-- Episode VII, VIII, Rogue One, IX in that order.

[@mntngr346]

@@bend316yeah, you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about since you just contradicted your argument.

[@bend316]

@@mntngr346 lol k

[@haiggoh]

I have one more point to add: Toxic hate comments are unfortunately a feature of social media that we're not going to make magically disappear anytime soon. These comments will always exist the question is how studios best react to them. Ignoring won't work, doubling down and attacking your own fanbase by putting them all in one basket is also a PR disaster and that's what we see too often. Now the pendulum swung and the studios are scared and think they have to change their work to avoid any possible criticism imaginable but that's even worse. The way to handle it imho would be to filter through relevant and irrelevant feedback and use skilled writers who know the source material well to make informed decision what valid criticism can be addressed to make a better second season that fixes problems without sacrificing the original vision completely.

[@biaydzik4604]

Hollywood is weakened by bad adaptations. Look at witcher, rings of power, she hulk, marvels - they are bad cuz the producers doesnt care about source materials. But thats not the only thing - they are bad cuz of poor storytelling. U can make ur own adaptaion with no love to source material, but make it interesting not schematic. Sorry for my english ;p

[@bend316]

I do think that these adaptations are weakened as they are trying to please everyone. And half the things you mentioned do have fine reviews, not critically acclaimed, but fine. I do think a lot of these projects are very generic feeling because of trying to please the masses, which does include these fans. It's a much larger discussion and not just one thing is causing it, but they are changing things based off the minority toxic fanbase. And your english is great! No need to worry about it

[@Khetaz]

@@bend316 Reviews mean shit. I'm still in disbelief at how amazon took a dump on lotr IP. How badly written this show is. You are adapting the universe from one of the top 10 selling books of ALL TIME and you write this utter garbage ? It's almost criminal to say the least. From my PoV, the only toxic people here are the studios for hiring incompetent morons to write their shows. Don't you see the downward spiral that is current screenwriting ? 10-20 years ago we had great shows right left and center and man, even those that were considered as mid were masterpieces compared to the trash that we get for the last 5 years. The only "original" show that made a huge impression on me lately is Andor, other than that, it's just FAITHFUL book adaptations (like Slow Horses for instance).

[@haiggoh]

I'm not gonna sit here and claim that all of these new Star Wars shows that get dragged online are perfect works of art and I'm the first to understand how nostalgia is a double-edged sword that can backfire on studios and writers who cynically use IPs for a cash grab without considering the history of the franchise. All that being said I 100% agree with you that fans don't have the answers, they are not writers, they don't know what makes a good film or show and trying to please all fans is an impossible task that turns into a terrible mess.

[@haiggoh]

And yes, I had fun with the Acolyte, it's sad that it was cancelled despite people watching it and talking about it. If you don't like it, don't watch it, but why get it cancelled. It didn't make sense. Your head-canon can be whatever your want it to be, just pretend it doesn't exist if you don't like it. Why ruin the fun for people who actually wanted to know where the story will go?

[@bend316]

yeah film and tv is very interesting because fans think they know what they're doing and can do it better even though they don't have the skills and have never made anything before. Like I'm not going to do that with any other profession. Yeah, its all a double edge sword for sure. Rely on the franchise and IP for too long and eventually it won't work and I think we're seeing that all in real time. And yeah, I'll never understand why people actively watch something they don't like. Especially with the amount of tv there is to choose from in the streaming age. I had fun with it too, but do I think it should get Emmys? No and not every tv show needs to be peak either. Some can just be fun and I think that's what it delivered.

[@FloydIsMySon]

no one's "blaming fans" for anything. Fans are blaming toxic people making bad faith arguments, racist abuse, and smear campaigns to sabotage projects. I'm a SW fan and i'm not being blamed for anything. you'd only think people are "blaming fans" if you think "fans" only applies to people with the same opinion as you. if you're not being racist, review bombing, or making bad faith arguments then we're not talking about you. No one thinks every single person who dislikes the Acolyte are those things. But you're being dishonest if you say they're not happening

[@bend316]

100%

[@rooneytutoring]

Hollywood and the video game industry have for years done their best to exploit hype by cultivating these kind of fan bases. They complain now like its the fans who are at fault but they share a large part of thr blame for cultivating this issue to begin with. Also superfans is a vague term. I'm could mean a general star wars finatic or it could mean a corporate fan boy/girl, these twp groups are going to push for radically different focuses.

[@bend316]

I agree that the studios are not blamessless in this at all. I royally hate the way some studios are operating.

[@WhyDaRumGone]

Are you serious with this or just trolling?

[@rodster811]

Based on how he has been responding to criticism in his comment section. I am pretty convinced that he is jus trolling.

[@Recrussio]

@@rodster811nah he can just see the numbers clearly. Most of his trash videos about anything else get f$&% all views, whereas talking this shit about the most popular franchises gets him a massive boost.

[@rodster811]

​@@Recrussio I'm inclined to agree with your assessment.

[@Crystalgate]

I have a hard time believing that the Acolyte was ran trough those "super fans". The Acolyte was everything that the so called toxic fans said that Disney should not do, so clearly The Acolyte producers did not listen to them. The Acolyte also did really poorly. Sure, there is a loud small minority, but you do need to double check so that the average Star Wars fan doesn't have the same issue that the loud minority does, just in a lesser degree. Imagine that there is a detail that outrages the loud minority, but the average fan is just a bit annoyed by it. In that case, how does it help to just dismiss what the loud minority says?

[@sattymike0155]

Blaming Star Wars fans for the Acolyte when the show creators informed us in advance the show wasn’t meant for us and we shouldn’t watch it. Okay. Where was the audience it was created for? Why didn’t ‘younger fans’, feminists, the lgbtq community, academics, and all people invested in the ideology of the show creators show up to watch it? Surely that was the intended audience. And they ditched the show. It was a failure on every level and by every measure.

[@Makoto03]

How is it any different than studios making changes to please activists? Forcing DEI in projects and abandoning creative freedom, to ONLY please media journalists. If they have to listen to someone, it makes more sense to listen to the people who actually buy tickets.

[@orionkrieg6082]

I disagree on the part of fans watching every single episode even though they hated it. The viewership of the finale of the Acolyte was just over 7 million. Compare this to the Ahsoka finale, which was significantly less controversial in terms of audience enjoyment, which got 12.3 million. Andor had ~12.5 million, and that one did see some controversy, because while it did have some great appeal to die hard star wars fans, with a pretty quality ending, the first episodes were paced very slowly, driving away a good portion of the more casual audience. Compare this again to the Kenobi show finale, which got 17.8 million, over double the viewership of the Acolyte's finale, despite not making nearly as much a splash in terms of media presence. I credit this to the show's easier appeal to a casual audience, partially because more people know Obi-Wan Kenobi and Darth Vader, and partially because the plot was less convoluted, and, in my opinion, not nearly as poorly written as the Acolyte, making it easier for a normie audience to watch. Finally, compare this to my absolute favorite season finale in Star Wars period, Mandolorian season 2, which got nearly 31 million. The Acolyte has only 23% the viewership of Mando S2. This really isn't a fair comparison, because Mando S1 and S2 are honestly some of the best Star Wars media we've had in a while that were appealing to both the most hardcore of fans and a normie audience, as well as having the now beloved Pedro Pascal as the lead. I think it goes to show that fans follow good writing, good characters, and good respect for the source material. I'll concede that the Acolyte had good characters to some people, but personally, most of them were static plot devices at best, and at worst were actively annoying and degrading to my sanity, but I digress. I have yet to meet anyone declaring the writing on the show anything exceptionally good, a few who've said it was passable, but most of the comments on that part was that it was pretty bad. Those two alone make it tough for a normie audience to enjoy, because on one hand, its controversial, so even if a casual enjoyed it, it's not fun to be screamed at by both sides online about a show they don't care too much for, and if they didn't like it, they wouldn't be motivated to finish the show, unless there was some other aspect they really liked. As for respect to the show's source material, the Acolyte does a good job of capturing Star Wars vibes, but its themes feel pretty separated from the rest of Star Wars (hard moral relativism doesn't fit into a franchise that was originally inspired by epics of good versus evil), and the insertion of all the sexual stuff in episode 6(?) feels pretty out of place, considering George Lucas quite literally declared Star Wars to be for kids. This doesn't really mix well with a director who proudly compared lightsabers to penises.

[@bend316]

In terms of the acolyte, personally I don’t think it really stood a chance in terms of getting the casual fanbase since it was the first live action piece not at all connected to the Skywalker saga. Even if it was good, I still don’t think it would get the views. I also feel like Ahsoka did kind of hurt the normal audience as well since it’s essentially another season of Rebels. I had to pause it every five minutes just to explain my friends a lot of the backstory. Had it got critical acclaim to drive the buzz? Maybe, but it still had a very high price tag for a show with mainly three locations. Hey thanks for the comment. All fair points

[@orionkrieg6082]

@@bend316 Yeah, it comes down to the fact that we just really don't know how it would perform if was actual quality. I personally want to believe that people will watch quality entertainment, but that is not a belief with much precedence, and yeah it was not set up for success from the get go. I do wish the show was better than it is. The vibes are pretty on point, and I've been dying for some live action old republic content. Now I'm probably gonna have to wait a long time cause companies don't seem to want to touch this show with a ten foot pole.

[@bend316]

@@orionkrieg6082 Yeah we really don’t know, maybe it could have caught on, maybe it wouldn’t. And yeah I was just glad they were doing something different but because it did so poor, I don’t expect them to return to any new timeline any time soon

[@kostantza1]

Oh, poor weakened studios. Not being able to unquestionably produce subpar content for your paying audiences. Screw those audiences for having higher standards and wanting shows and movies with effects better than those in 1990, above community theatre level-acting, and plots that don't look like they were stuck together from fortune cookie slips by an overcaffeinated fanfiction writer with ADHD.

[@dago4133]

as you have right to publish this , we have the right to write if we hate something. who are you to say we should just eat what ever they put on our plates? this subject is too big for you. stick to reviewing my little ponny

[@bend316]

My little Pony?! If you're going to insult me at least come up with a more clever timely reference.

[@brobette574]

How are they trying to please toxic fans when they make products that these so called toxic fans reject? We even have shows that are downright antagonistic towards their audience, you know she-hulk and velma for example. Most of what hollywood has churned out is a big flop, but sure toxic fans are to blame. You take one article and make one example and just run with it. Besides your example is so wrong. How did star wars please fans with the rise of skywalker when it grossed 300 millions less worldwide than the last jedi did? And the ratings are about the same... And it was sold as the continuation of the last movies, so people showed up. Now nobody shows up for star wars anymore because the audience now knows that it's just straight up garbage. you also realize people who hate these happen to watch youtubers who crap on these shows so they end up knowing about them. Or now they read actual reviews that can be trusted before doing anything? You are just like these studios completely lost about what the problem is. The problem is that companies have lost touch with reality. Like amazon did when they launched their phone that was going to change the market. They believe that throwing money with a recognizable name on it is enough to bring in the profits. The problem is the end result is a lesser version of what was promised in a known market with known expectations. (The prequels were also hated and are still being criticized to this day but at least it's still well written and the overall story was well thought out and had a general idea of what it wanted to do and say. You might wanna put things in context and analyze it after taking a step back.) It's not just in movies. Ubisoft is in hot water right now for the exact same reasons. make a AAAA games which end up costing 800 millions and release a giant pile of turd. But people will buy it right? It's got the pirate thing people loved so much from one of our thing ten years ago!!!! You also played yourself when you said you shouldn't listen to dogshit takes when every single one of yours is just that. Blame one side or the other. Either you actually believe everything you said and let me tell you, come out of your bubble and go see what reality really is instead of spending your entire time online. Or you are trying to attract hate clicks by riding on the anti hate bandwagon since a lot of people believe themselves to be so much smarter than everybody else by going against the general ideas. Because the ones making the decisions are to be blamed. If you change something to please someone and it ends up being bad and losing money you are the one to blame. This sort of take is outright toxic because you shift the blame on someone else and then try to guilt trip them. But sure it's every one fault but my own Either way bad video and even worse takes. If your opinion isn't going to be changed then why are you posting it on a public platform for the whole world to see? You have a right to like stuff just like we have a right to dislike stuff. You can't open your mouth and then cry when someone is challenging you. This is echoed by current hollywood which hasn't outgrown the puberty phase.

[@Isleinthesun]

Tiny minority that complains about it is true but its the watch numbers causes them to bomb. That's not due to the ones raging online. Its the lack of direction, creativity, and storytelling in the writing that ends up with a shit story that cause it to flop. Fans, (not rage machines) are leaving them alone and not watching because they are shit.

[@Tentacl]

Grow up. People were unhappy their favorite IPs were being destroyed. Is it better now it completed the dive into apathy and those IPs will just die?

[@bend316]

You’re upset about a kids movie. I think you should take your own advice

[@rodster811]

@@bend316 You're upset about the critique of said "kids movies" sounds like you should take the lead on growing up.

[@Tentacl]

@@bend316 go away, your channel has 20 subs.

[@bend316]

@@rodster811 lol k

[@bend316]

@@Tentacl you’re the one who’s here my dude

[@riyuhizamura8995]

This guy is being vague about who he's talking about on purpose. It must be satire. The minority they're pleasing is the woke mob which is why everything sucked once Disney bought the ip.

[@BillyBob-qo8ec]

Amazon spends over a billion dollars on a crappy show watched currently by less than a half million people. This guy cries about it, and blames these mythical "minority super fans". If the "super fans" are such a vocal minority, how come nobody watches these shows? How come they canceled the lesbian space witch drama? I'll wait..

[@bend316]

I mean if you want to argue viewership numbers, Rings of Powers second season was the most watched original series the week it came out and was the second most watched series for the next two weeks. So yeah, I would say you are 100% the minority.

[@FloydIsMySon]

awesome video and couldn't agree more. these ppl coming after you & those involved on these projects have completely lost their grip with reality. deluding themselves into thinking their opinion is objective fact. if shows like the Acolyte had such bad writing, why's it have a 78% critic score on rotten tomatoes? if the shows are so bad, why are you and so many people watching them? So confused why they use ratings against the Acolyte. there are SO MANY shows out there today and it regularly showed up on the top 10 most streamed shows, in what world is that not a success? a world where you're cherry picking anything you can to make a bad faith argument rather than a productive and civil conversation

[@bend316]

Hey thanks! Yeah i truly don't get it but I believe its all just because they're stuck in their own little echo chambers. I really don't get watching things you hate and also it literally only helps the business so both from an emotional and logical standpoint it doesn't make sense. Appreciate the comment though! Glad to have you here!

[@FloydIsMySon]

@@bend316 so true. Happy to be here and thank you for making a space for actual conversation and discourse. And sorry for my ranting into the void!

[@somehighlights2851]

You a raging online about something... Ain't that childish?

[@anthonypizzuti5969]

My favorite part is how if you know too much about something it’s impossible to decide you didn’t like it. Genuine opinion are formed before the experience. I make sure I decide I hate something first so I can decide not to try it.

[@cthulhu2499]

Hollywood has ruined marvel and star wars

[@bend316]

K

[@theanatomyoffilmandcinema]

Good video! I think these patterns make a whole lot more sense when looking at stuff through a political context. Unfortunately, both sides of the political spectrum have gotten increasingly toxic online, rallying up people who think like them to attack others who disagree. This can be hard for studios to deal with, it’s like no matter what they put out, someone is going to hate it unfortunately.

[@bend316]

@@theanatomyoffilmandcinema yeah I think it’s a balance of both. While I do agree that both sides of the far spectrum have gotten toxic I do think one side is generally louder than the other. And I also don’t think it’s just politics but people having a hard time adjusting to modern times. That’s why I hope studios don’t try to please everyone because no matter what, there will still be people who hate it

[@theanatomyoffilmandcinema]

@@bend316 I feel that. It doesn’t help when the studios themselves try to pander to political ideologies (on both sides). The whole point of entertainment is to escape from all that

[@bend316]

@@theanatomyoffilmandcinema yeah I think that’s an issue with the studios treating the audiences like they’re dumb. Older films still had something to say or had political agendas, but I feel like there was more subtext in them

[@carlotruppi3314]

@@theanatomyoffilmandcinemathere’s nothing wrong with making content that pushes a political narrative, or particular content aimed at the famed “modern audience”, or content that changes beloved lore or characters. This is art and anyone is free to express themselves however they want. But don’t then complain when you make this content and people generally don’t like it. You’re free to make it, and people are free to reject it. No one is “toxic” in this equation. Only producers and consumers who have complete personal freedom of expression.

[@thedude0000]

0:08 - the irony isn't lost on me here. The small squeaky "fandom", who live on KZbin & other social media..... *DO NOT MAKE UP ALL OF THE FANS*

[@nickcharles1284]

Why are you listening to haters? Take your own advice.

[@xdereksmithx]

Yeah, fandom is toxic, not Hollywood. What insight!

[@bend316]

K

[@R-Keezy]

Shit take

[@bend316]

k

[@anthonypizzuti5969]

Agree

[@natec9420]

Is this video satire?

[@bend316]

‘Hey, sending death threats to an actor for playing a make believe character in a kids tv show is wrong’ iS tHIs sATIre?

[@natec9420]

@@bend316 Were they with Jussie Smollet at the time?

[@splitoff2424]

If it was just a tiny minority then the box office receipts would show these movies to be huge successes, they are not! If the Acolyte or Rings of Power were hated by a tiny minority then the viewer numbers would be there, they are not. Sorry but recent movies and shows are crap, plain and simple. The reason people are upset is because of love for the worlds that exist in these franchises. Then when that world gets turned on it's head, it sucks. Star Trek went from being a thought provoking franchise to loud obnoxious frat boys fighting in space. JJ Abrams admitted he didn't even like Star Trek. I think if you replace Toxic with passionate you might see the issues. But if you like it then cool for you, some of us think the recent releases are crap.

[@bend316]

Recent Star Wars movies posted over a billion at the box office, with one of them being one of the highest grossing films of all time. Star Trek was also successful until Beyond. Rings of Power is still doing numbers, not as much as season 1 but still one of the most watched shows in its initial week with viewers even returning and rewatching season 1. Sorry but the data doesn’t back up your feelings.

[@rodster811]

@@bend316 The idea that making a Billion on a piece of established IP is not the metric for success as it once was. If you hijack longtime successful IP people are going to initially watch. That is of no surprise. People watched Rings of Power because they were excited for more Tolkien. Disney Star Wars has been blowing money crappy product for awhile now but Star Wars is still a beloved IP. "most watched shows in its initial week" No duh because they thought it was gonna be good. (spoiler alert it was not) That's why most of the audience didn't watch it. "with viewers even returning and rewatching season 1" Source: "trust me bro" Sounds like your feels are the ones not understanding the data.

[@splitoff2424]

@@bend316 Star Wars a New hope, 1977 grossed $775 million, adjusted for inflation in todays money grossed over 4 billion. By the time you get to Rise of Skywalker it grossed $515 million. I see a trend here. Star Trek honestly when it first come out and upon my first watching, I loved it. But it pulled on nostalgia from the original TV series. I watched it again and for me it was a completely different movie. I wanted to love it, and it was garbage. Amazon is a bit murky when it comes to viewership but even Variety notes the numbers are trending down. Feelings aside, these are not as successful, and personally just bad. The fact that the first season or movie does great for a beloved IP should be expected. But if the quality is not there people won't come back and surprise start to get mad, or apparently toxic, which should really be called passionate.

[@bend316]

@@rodster811 Fine dumb dumb here''s the source. www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/streaming-ratings-aug-26-sept-1-2024-1236013716/

[@rodster811]

@@bend316 "Series hits the billion-minute mark" "The 1.02 billion minutes is down about 19 percent" This does not support your claim: "with viewers even returning and rewatching season 1" It actually does the opposite. "with the remainder devoted to season one." Correction there is small sentence that does support your claim. 30 percent watched season 1. But it doesn't claim them rewatched

[@sagarsmg]

Nice video Need video editor?

[@bend316]

nope

[@JP-1990]

Unfortunately, fans do not have the ability to vote with their wallet. Sure, we can NOT buy something, but when that something is the only game and town, and the stuff we want is not able to get made due to various barriers to entry, the only real avenue to affect change is to voice our concerns, frustrations, and anger. Let me put it this way; 80 million people voted Trump in 2020. And they are DESPERATE for any kind of positive representation of their beliefs and values. You'd think that movie studios would at least cynically think "Hey, we can make a bunch of genre movies for conservatives and make good money off of a dedicated demographic." But they wont. They dont make movies for them, at least not mainstream ones, despite them being part of the mainstream audience. If you want to know why there is a huge amount of right wing people among anime fans, this is why. Basically my point is that of Hollywood actually wants to not only survive but thrive, they need to make different kinds of movies for different types of people, rather than movies for a mythical "modern audience" that doesnt show up.

[@bend316]

lol k

[@megadeth8592]

enjoy the dislikes. you've earned em

[@bend316]

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[@fbrx1633]

Star Wars is alright not something I'd cross the street to watch, and the Marvel movies are just horrible. Though i did like Ms. Marvel and Black Widow. I liked the Walking Dead. Not because of the characters but the story arcs and the gore. People have to realize not everything is going to be a banger. Sorry, just wanted to share. 😊

[@bend316]

@@fbrx1633 hey some things you’re gonna like and some things you’re not gonna like. It’s all good. Watch what you like, you seem to be doing it right! 😃

[@zacharyjamesstrickland]

I feel like some commentators are missing the point of the video. Ben is saying that studios recently started to gather more feedback from fans during the creative process. This adding of extra voices to the creative process creates a “too many cooks in the kitchen” scenario. “Too many cooks” result in the project moving forward without a specific auteur or guiding voice. The movies and shows that are created with this practice feel increasingly more cookie cutter and bland as a result, and tend to not be very good because of those qualities. Ben is NOT saying that all the media he mentioned in the video is inherently of good quality (he even specifically criticized Last Jedi and Quantumania) or that fans should keep their opinions to themselves. He’s saying everyone keeps weighing molehill-sized individual online opinions like mountains, and that studios especially need to not make decisions based on a loud internet sub sector. Thanks for the vid, Ben, good work.

[@carlotruppi3314]

Except he’s wrong. Studios have not been bringing in more voices. In fact, we know from an article last year that Amazon hired lots of creators who on the surface seemed to be new voices, but they all have the exact same philosophy for creating shows. When all the focus group testing of the shows were negative, they insisted Amazon stop using the focus groups to critique the shows, and Amazon did. The creators complained that they don’t need to hear that fans prefer “white dudes with guns”. This wasn’t the case, as the focus groups were basically saying the shows sucked and were boring. Not one focus group said the shows would be better with white dudes with guns. This is literally not bringing in enough voices, and more importantly, this is completely ignoring the most important voice - that of of customer.

[@zacharyjamesstrickland]

@@carlotruppi3314 Thanks for responding! 😊 I definitely don’t know myself how studios use or don’t use focus groups, and I’m not familiar with the article you mentioned, so I know I’m ignorant here. But I’m grateful you actually addressed his actual points in your response! My intention behind my comment was to identify what I thought his point was, as I wasn’t sure most other commentators were attempting to engage with said point. I’m glad you did! 😁

[@bend316]

What article are you referencing? Would love to check it out.

[@bend316]

Hey thanks for the comment. Yeah this is all expected as I've learned, but generally yeah I don't think they've been putting out the best films or tv quality wise, and that's because they're chasing pleasing everyone, which includes this toxic little minority. Appreciate it! Thanks!

[@dj_lantn]

I finally watched She-Hulk after delaying because of the hate the first 2 episodes got. By the end of the show, I really enjoyed it and thought how great it was that this group of people got to tell a Marvel story. It's not one for everyone, but it's one for some

[@bend316]

@@dj_lantn yeah I thought it was fine too! Glad you liked it!

[@nickcharles1284]

It wasn't a Marvel story. That was the problem. It was for some.... people... but not for Marvel fans, who have an expectation of a level of quality, and an actual story about super heroes doing super things. Not wine moms 9-5ing it, and winging about dating. So it got cancelled.

[@bend316]

@@nickcharles1284 You clearly have never read the she hulk comics or watched the show.

[@deadmanslastwish]

Wow what a monumental shit take.

[@bend316]

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