How Worldbuilding Saved Omni-Man

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[@arnarogbjorn]

I think a very important point of the Thraxans is that they mirror our human views to the Viltrum view of humans. Most audiences would scoff at a people that only live a year, but that is excatly the same dilemma omni-man faced in season 1. Him caring about a people that are even more short lived then humans puts it into perspective to the audience, "Could you love someone who only lived a year"? I think that adds a huge layer ontop.

[@LucolanYT]

wow, realizing this made me like that plotline in concept a lot more

[@theviewerofthegolden270]

Nolan really did ask himself "would I love her if she was a worm?"

[@hollandscottthomas]

@@theviewerofthegolden270 LOL

[@woundedidiot429]

Building a life in a humans time is equivalent to building one in viltrums, the amount of time it takes is the same but the time they love together is differentiable

[@sam_Invincible]

I saw a reaction channel say literally “why save them they only live a year” and I was like bruh you’re sounding like a Viltrumite rn

[@thereccher8746]

"World-building isn't talked about when it comes to plotting and character." That's a problem.

[@upg5147]

People have a metal block of sorts that puts story and characters in one box and world building and power systems in another, not understanding that it all works together and should heavily influence each other.

[@ihaveaplan.ijustneedmoney.9777]

​@@upg5147 those people forget that to build a world with people, you essentially build cultures. And a lot of who we are is directly tied to culture. Everything from what we love and what we hate is directly tied to the traditions we grew up with. And isn't a huge part of character writing all about shaping and reshaping a character's perspective? Like what they love and hate?

[@upg5147]

@@ihaveaplan.ijustneedmoney.9777 Agreed.

[@abadyr_]

I've always considered Nolan was lying (either to mark or most likely to himself) when he said he considered Debby a pet, because it is how he should have felt. It's more logical considering his prior behaviour toward her.

[@michaelofbuhl1315]

I think he couldn’t find the right way to put it… that was the closest comparison he could come up with that quick.

[@DeepFriar]

It's apt to me; do you not love your pet even though their lives are a fraction of ours? That's what Nolan was trying to say.

[@Nizaar1]

The show actually had multiple references to how Nolan thought of Debby before that line. For example: when he went to Europe with her to reassure her he had nothing to do with the Guardians murders, she mentioned how Nolan expected her to 'worship' him early in their relationship (when he flew her to Rome the 1st time) and that Nolan was 'a dick'. Nolan also said that their first time to Rome only was a 'couple of years ago', so Debby responded with 'It was 20 years ago'. That is very similar to how our pets don't live as long so time seems to go slower for them. So he probably did think of her as a pet during his time on earth.

[@Mayakran]

Yeah, to me his entire argument with Mark during their fight read as him working to convince himself how much he didn’t care. It’s so over-the-top, derogatory, and emotional, which I felt was fueled by his internal anxieties about having strange feelings (ie sympathy and compassion) for people he was supposed to conquer. A man who truly feels secure in his superiority doesn’t have to resort to a long-winded rant about just how far other people are beneath him.

[@abadyr_]

@@Nizaar1 It only shows they have a different perception of time and that Nolan was a kind of a dick early on, which makes sense but does not negate my point about his "current" behaviour with Debby. It's obvious to me that she had become much more than the "pet" or "inferior" she should have been to him by the time Mark got his powers and Nolan decided to "speed up" his mission. And that was my point.

[@violetleporid]

One of the cool things about "showing remorse" as done here, is it's also a perfect representation of how to show remorse in real life. Someone can say they're sorry but in order for the recipient to believe them and restore trust, they have to take actions that redeem their wrongdoing, just like Omni-Man did

[@technicaldeathmetalhead]

Or Prince Zuko

[@endershepard7117]

This is why I created the saying, “Apologies are for children. Adults make amends.”

[@Quartermistress]

I loved these episodes so much honestly. It also displays the horror that is an entire civilisation of psychopathic supermen who always get their way and how big the stakes are.

[@rmcbean5699]

Also worth pointing out the worldbuilding they did with Viltrum to lay the foundation for that episode. They emphasized how meaningful it was for Omni-Man to abandon his post as no Viltrumite had done that before. They showed that this was a potential weakness by having the Viltrumites react and come out on the open and almost expose their mole in the resistance and attack Allen. And they also used it to show Viltrumite power by having Allen get so easily defeated, making the final fight have that much more impact and stakes.

[@insectostrich4407]

The funny thing is, in the comics Nolan “tells” us that he did a lot of reflecting and felt regret. So, the tv show greatly improved on these ideas.

[@lucaspsm125]

I find it pretty wild that in the comics all of that happens, but Nolan is still loyal to Viltrum while being the king of the Thraxans (?), he's just like "i conquered this world pretty easily i hope that viltrum can forgive me for abandoning earth". He only has a change of heart when the viltrumite soldiers start killing everyone. So all of what you said in this video made everything about the character work WAY better

[@suto5704]

I can't get over how good Steven Yeun's acting is

[@Bubblegob]

The real strenghth of Invincible in the original comics is that it feels like superhero comics plus actual worldbuilding giving us what we want from superhero storyline but that we get only in the best shows and adaptations. Due to superhero comics patchwork nature the wold building is such a mess you have to headcannon or ignore things that break or contradict the established lore quite often. Something like My hero academia does this as well but it feels more anime than a superhero comic while Invincible manages to keep the superhero vibe and aesthetic perfectly while creating a coherent and quite well thought-out universe for them to live in. Mark in any other comicbook would be a very plain character but the world constantly throw varied conflict at him and its the variety of those conflicts, how they easily lead us to the next plotpoint and Mark's reactions to this world that make it so appealing.

[@TheAlphaLegionnaire]

I’ve heard this advice before, but goddamn it’s important to be reminded. Getting lost in a never-ending pursuit of the “perfect world” will do nothing but slow writing down to a halt.

[@ongoingsky9347]

This show has an interesting answer for how someone can redeem themself when forgiveness is not possible

[@lucyandecember2843]

o.o

[@axolotl1777]

He shouldn't be forgiven under any circumstances

[@WorthAShotAndMore]

@@axolotl1777100%

[@abigfavor]

Being a dungeon master for a homebrew D&D world, I live and die on the world building. I've made many changes to the benefit of the players experience that I wouldn't have made in a vacuum

[@nathanfrentzel7197]

I SWEAR THIS ISN'T A SPOILER FOR THE STORY, BUT I recently got sick of waiting for the next episode, and had gotten a few story points spoiled for me by folks on KZbin, so I read the comic. All of it. Then I rewatched the series with the context of where the story is going. I paid extra attention to how Omni-Man acts when there's no one else around. The setup for how Omni-Man develops and acts in this episode began in the very first episode of the series. This is a good show, guys.

[@lukaslambs5780]

I feel like I could talk about/listen to people I like (such as you) talk about Invincible for hours. It’s such great show with great characters! I feel like world building being part of characterization is a natural consequence of having characters of worlds that are not our own! Come to think of it, it’s odd this isn’t focused on more!

[@StringsNStrands]

You showed that nolan-insect kiss scene a bit too much my guy 😂

[@rookhobbes9055]

I've been loving Nolan's arc so far. He's a bastard, but that isn't entirely his fault. I love seeing him grapple with the dissonance between his indoctrination and programming and his love for his partners and children. He can't even fully comprehend what he's feeling because his emotional intelligence was neutered by his hyper-competitive society and culture. That is fucking great to watch play out.

[@wisdommanari6701]

Omniman got his back blown out lol

[@Calebgoblin]

👀

[@Mr.Lubbox-Lobsterlegz1]

All comic book reader watched this video like hmm, you haven’t seen anything yet 😅😂😂

[@AscendantOat]

For interactive mediums, I'd say worldbuilding should shift to be in the service of the *player's experience*. In board and video games, worldbuilding can help players understand the mechanics and the game's visual information. In TTRPGs it can help signal the important aspects of the world and genre, and inform players how to interact with the narrative.

[@ilesalmo7724]

On the other hand, the worlds should feel "real". They should feel like they exist even when there are no epic adventures going on. They should not feel like just playgrounds for players to stomp around in. This can be done for example with small "slice of life" plots with side-characters.

[@benjaminbrand3714]

Love the deep dive! Definitely changed my perspective on world building

[@suto5704]

Great video, thanks for all the videos you make. They're much appreciated

[@cjkalandek996]

Great video as always. BTW, in your recent Q&A, when you answered my Percy Jackson question, I just wanna say thanks for not only answering my question, but for also pronouncing my last name right (which a LOT of people don't do on their first try).

[@benjic-jean574]

Great video man as always 👌🏾 can’t wait for the rest of s2

[@hiepphambui3941]

I think there's a tldr explanation for this: it was based on a good source, on a good comic.

[@KniteSparxx]

Awesome breakdown, thanks for your knowledge on all this. I'm creating a universe and I didn't realize how much goes into it..I mean I had an idea but breaking it down is most definitely a challenge

[@SuperZekethefreak]

Amazing video. I learned a lot!

[@aappaapp6627]

Excellent video!

[@thesamuraiman]

Very good show

[@TheHazeKiller]

Saving this so I can come back after finishing episode 4.

[@JustArt0]

Great video man! =) I'd like to see you cover the comics, I thought they were pretty good! They're a little different than the show, so maybe consider it as a separate story.

[@robinlawrence8638]

it felt like omni man turned good too quickly in the course of the show in my opinion

[@ianmendoza8599]

i think so too, but also a big reason he went so over the top and evil when he was beating up mark and killing ppl was because he was trying to convince himself that he was just pretending to be good all along and he's completely loyal to viltrum. like throughout his time on earth, he truly did gain empathy for humans but he thought it was all an act but it wasn't. and when it was time to conquer earth, he purposefully act as if humans meant absolutely nothing to him

[@onemisterfranko]

A great scene is seeing Nolin act like a father and protect his children from Lucan.

[@TheGreatestJediOfAllTime]

Thraxans reminds me of Salarians from Mass Effect a bit

[@frescula]

Omnimans transformation started even in season 2, him almost crying and flying away was part of his transformation

[@helenarosno]

when he came back, i was SHOCKED that they were going for a redemption arc. omni-man was quite objectively the worst person i have ever seen. i still don’t trust his redemption, but we see him practically kill himself defending people that only for live one year (idk if he’s actually dead or not atm lol). it was such a smart decision to do it through worldbuilding.

[@mazder360]

I really love the world building in John Wick, the sequels are obviously lower quality than the first, but the way the world opens up almost makes up for it imo

[@twocents7509]

When season one of invincible ended, I remember telling my sister that I think Omni man is going to get a redemption arc. Her initial reaction “no way!” But then I explained, “in Omni man’s culture, it’s unheard of for viltrimites to abandon their post. They also are portrayed to be a completely brutal species, so Omni man abandoning his post will likely result in his execution or imprisonment. Because of that, Omni man likely can’t go back to viltrimite and he eventually will need to fight his people if he wants to live. Mark will also need to face the viltrimites eventually, because they do not give up on conquering planets. Through a common enemy alone, they’d likely run into Omni man again and need his help, while he also needs their help. So, already at the end of first season, there’s a set up possible where Omni man could be redeemed (or at least a mutual need to cooperate with earth to defeat viltrimites).

[@kredonystus7768]

Can you do a video on what we should look for in an editor?

[@gelatogremlin]

i have that same wallpaper lol

[@Famously5518]

i mean i wouldn’t say his redeemed because his not but Nolan IS on the path towards redemption

[@alexrox0008]

I gotta say, I love your video essays the most surrounding story more than any other KZbinr. But I have to say I haven’t watched so many of your recent uploads because I just am not a fan of videos with the face cams at all. Just sharing because I feel like a lot of people feel this way. You are doing whatever you like for your channel and I respect it, not entitled to anything here. But sharing that I haven’t been watching your recent uploads unfortunately. But love your insights all the same!

[@derekgreen7319]

Anyone who hasn't read the invincible book should. Its a fantastic story. Both great art and writing with big pay offs, sub-plots, and great visuals.

[@ethanhinojosa5274]

Is it confirmed the second half of the season is dropping in January? I couldn't find that info anywhere but if true that's great

[@joshua_lee732]

Id read your books if I could buy them in paper.

[@nathanschweri3666]

Fantastic video!! Instant sub from me

[@I.Burnham]

The added benefit of him going to insect planet was that it also allowed us to see the natives as lower life forms, as bugs. So lowly that they are crushed under our feet without a second's thought. Mutilated by children for fun. Trapped and tormented, subjected to trials, tests, assessments and experiments for our benefit without an inlling of remorse empathy or hesitation. giving us a peek into how he saw humans last season. Brilliant.

[@DDarkestKnight]

2:46 No offense I've seen more people love Omni-Man, even after almost murdering his son, than I've seen hate him

[@abdulkarimelnaas7595]

The show is new but the comics are quite old.

[@McKnightlight]

Invincible Season 1: What if Superman was evil? Me: 😴 Invincible Season 2: What if evil Superman was good? Me: 😮😮😮

[@TheBTSMACLVOR]

It’s more like what if Jor-El was evil

[@zionleach3001]

@Savage Books can you do a video on how to write a character like Dante from Devil May Cry without him being a Gary Stu or obnoxiously edgy?

[@keythekidd]

I disagree that Nolan’s actions destroyed his relationship with the audience in particular. In the sense that they wanted to see Mark overcome his father? Absolutely. But I still think Nolan is a big fan favorite, even as the menace he is. From what I can tell, people love seeing him on screen even if it’s to oppose Mark, which I think is a testament to how well he’s written. Most villains in fiction, we want to see defeated by the hero. But Omni-Man is different in the sense that people can’t seem to get enough of him. It’s like how you spent the ENTIRETY of Naruto rooting for him to defeat the villains and achieve his goal of being the Hokage, but the second Madara is shown demolishing the Shinobi Alliance, you only wanted to see more of it, despite the fact that he’s directly opposing the characters that you’ve been with for the last few hundred episodes. Characters like Madara and Nolan are those special few villains that leave you foaming at the mouth waiting for their next appearance. P.S I also love how they formatted the very first episode. It could pass off as any casual slightly spicy superhero show, up until the point Omni Man attacks the guardians. After that, they just turn it up to 11 and leave it there for the remainder of the season.

[@jonasquinn7977]

Honestly I can’t help but feel like “These bug people with a fundamentally different culture, biology and psychology have forgiven Nolan so Mark should too” I a kinda shinty reason

[@OhNoTheFace]

No, still no redemption for him. Just being nice after being actually the worst monster. He can try to do better all he wants, but should never gain forgiveness. And I hope that is the direction they go and continue at

[@thedogs3467]

What mic is he using👀

[@wambokodavid7109]

what i realy loved is that for all his flaws atleast hes not a racist...considering where hes from.

[@icicloui]

I actually don't think that what we're seeing in Nolan is character *progression* -no, it's an explanation, instead. I really don't think Nolan has done anything different on the Tharaxan planet than he did on Earth: came for external reasons, fell in love, made a kid that may not be accepted by the home base (if his powers don't manifest), etc. The only difference is, this time, the external threat to the planet came way too early, when the child was not confirmed yet to be "one of us (the space Nazis)", and therefore automatically needed protection. The threat came at the point when Nolan was still soft about his new family. If the Viltrumites attacked Earth when Marc was still a baby, he might have made the same decision as he did with the Tharaxans. I personally bet he would. Nolan isn't becoming a better person -he's repeating a pattern, and not completing it because of *timing issues* I think the only difference is that now, Marc understands what is emotionally happening to Nolan, and why -and it also shows us, the audience, that him saying Debby was a pet, is a lie he told himself, because he was desperately trying to rescue the only thing on Earth that would exist for long enough to have a true connection with him: his son. Everyone *else* became pets, because Marc was shown to be a Viltrumite.

[@cottonfluff1317]

I need more invincible. Let this early comment be proof of that

[@agarnes100]

As someone who has read all the comics: Omni Man goes above and beyond and, in my opinion, is the single best reformed villain in fiction.

[@nathanfrentzel7197]

As someone who has read all the comics: I read all the comics so that I wouldn't have the story spoiled to me by KZbin comments and thumbnails. From a show-only perspective whether Omni-Man is redeemed or not is not yet set in stone. His arc in the comic is pretty good though.

[@jameslooker4791]

One year lifespans are comically short for an intelligent species. It should have been 8-10 years.

[@kompatybilijny9348]

Tonguing a bug changes your alignment

[@LordNifty]

This video seems to show how this is a plot-driven development rather than a character-driven one that could naturally develop from Omni-Man's character development. The setup seems similar to a superhero version of an apology tour.

[@lucyandecember2843]

o.o

[@mementomori771]

Yes its a plot driven story? I'm not sure what point you're trying to make

[@joaomarcoscosta4647]

@@mementomori771 Basically... Instead of "letting the characters make their own decisions and writing it down", the writer tries to "force" the characters into a specific path and contorts the world around it to fit it. Not saying this is a bad thing, necessarily. At least in this case, it mostly works. But it does run contrary to some common writing advice .

[@joaomarcoscosta4647]

@@mementomori771 To put it in different words... This is basically a "redemption arc speedrun".

[@abdulkarimelnaas7595]

I'm pretty confused. I think you guys are saying the redemption arc is happening too fast? But Nolan was never really a "terrible" person that needed to relearn how to be "good"; his redemption basically started right as he flew off from Earth because his major sin, loyalty to Viltrum, was severed at that moment. He never becomes less violent or anything like that, and no one ever asks him to, his redemption was basically the side switch.

[@Calebgoblin]

2:05 I don't like this but I have to listen and consider that it may be true 😭

[@lucyandecember2843]

I mean it depends on what your goal is. If its to write a story then yea that mentality takes precidence, but if you're world building for the sake of worldbuilding that statement is in no way applicable. Worldbuilsing exists outside of story, it is its own thing that overlaps with story creation.

[@TheBTSMACLVOR]

If you wanna get really technical, the last time we saw Omni Man before season 2 was Fortnite ☝️🤓

[@christiantabares6713]

This may likely be a stretch, but I see World building as Environment. I mean to say that environments (in the topographical, socioeconomic, political, literal, etc) in a sense infkuence hiw we grow develop think behave and act. Here, World building not only helps shape characters and narrative, environments -through parallel- shape entire ecosystems, and cultures. It goes on to refute, and demonstrate, that intrinsic traits do not ultimately shape those who can see past it. In this narrative, Vitrumites have Herbert Spencers 'Survival of the Fittest' essentialist, racially pure, myopic, worldview that they themselves are the strongest and thus most worthy of survival and civilization. Through Nolan, Lucan, Thragg, Kregg, and other Vitrumites we see hiw their environment has them conditioned. Later on, Nolan deviates due to changes in environment. Not only in Thraxa, but Earth before as well. Through Earth, Nolan has been partly shaped, and had thoughts outside of Vitrum and their customs. Though 20yrs is short for him, even moments can contribute to those changes (whether positive or negative). Mark is nearly full blooded, but has only really grown uo with Earth, as Nolan told an ahistorical account of his world, and was in Mars like once so far.

[@HisShadow]

Nolan is in no way redeemed. At least not in my eyes. Regretting your actions and trying to be a better person is fine but the harm he did to Earth and the other worlds he helped to concure. He ran away from his guilt to make a new life and he only contacted Mark because he was going to need him to fight the other Viltrumites. He hasn't even begun to redeem himself until he actively fights against the Viltrumites and if they can succeed he needs to spend the rest of his life in prison or die fighting. Maybe then we can discuss redemption.

[@Not_So_Slim_Shady]

I never got people's problem with that Avatar clip. It just explains what resource the humans are on Pandora to mine. It's not a McGuffin or deus ex machina.

[@WhenIsItUs]

Thanks for the video. You always do a great a job. After saying that, this video is probably one of the only in which I disagree with you entirely. Just to put it out there, I've always found this show's character and world building to be severely lacking, and this supposed "redemption" of Omniman has been it's worst attempt. World building should definitely be considered with character development in mind, but I don't think it should be done to the extent that it is ONLY to serve character development. It is the equivalent of creating the love interest that is only there to support the main character. They have no depth or life away from the character. That's what the planet Thraxan felt like. Like something pulled out of the air to to serve a moment. That's what much in the series feels like to me. It's not like any hints were laid down in the past, like Omniman having a poster of Thraxan, maybe an awkward joke about him having a thing for insects, or being partial to that part of the universe. It literally came out of nowhere. He just so happened, in the infinity of space, to find them in trouble.(if there was some story thread about fate or destiny there might be a way to save it but the story doesn't seem to touch those topics and they rightly don't have to). Then these people just so happen to have a rule in their society that makes him their ruler. They've never met another longer lived species and taken one in? Never met anyone remotely nice? With their advanced tech? Then he falls in love with one of them. That quickly? (Loves is fluid. Whatever. I'll give that a pass) Wouldn't he have extremely slow emotional development by the logic of the speedy emotional handling? Also, the redemption is poorly thought out. It feels like they've never done research on victims of abuse, only the tactics of abusers. It feels like a Nazi war criminal moved to a new country and is saying "I've changed.". Ask the Green Ghost's husband if Omniman is redeemed, or the survivors. His ex-wife. A friend really wanted me to watch this show and read the comic, made it sound ground breaking, but it feel even more poorly written than most anime's coming out now.

[@nathanfrentzel7197]

Omni-Man just happens to find this particular species in the middle of space... yeah, the odds are slim. I'm willing to let a story get away with stuff like that if they use it well in future plot developments though. Regarding redemption... putting Omni-Man asside, "redemption" is a major theme in the comics. I'm interested in seeing where the show goes with it.

[@jmail1984]

Them bugs got some thick lips though! 😮

[@josemembreno3134]

don't really like the implication that MacGuffin = Bad, but otherwise solid video.

[@coalescententity6651]

idk about your definition of democratically if he just defaulted into it because hes an alien lmao

[@ivanbluecool]

Guess next is how they turned a realistic romance into a disaster

[@Ranshin077]

Eh, it'd be better if they didn't try to make Amber so perfect. It just ruined her character and made me cringe and hate her. But just take solace that she's not who Mark ends up with... well, besides the fact he's going to live for centuries and she'll die in a few decades. Lol

[@paulwright4101]

Was it just me, or was this story decision all so heavy handed and literal? Making the subtext into text.

[@endershepard7117]

Mark: Emperor, conquer, what’s the difference? Nolan: The difference Mark, is that the Thraxens recognized that they needed someone with more power and authority than themselves for salvation. Nolan: I had the power, they gave me the authority. 10:20

[@TheSuperhomosapien]

"Worldbuilding should always be in service to the narrative. That's it. That's its only function." I'm glad nobody told Tolkien that.

[@josephs.4813]

The views are too low on a video of this quality from a channel or your size. KZbin stays trolling

[@ZeDitto3]

Was the Avatar example supposed to be a negative example of world building because it seemed pretty reasonable? It didn’t seem like a MacGuffin. Was it a driver of the conflict? Yes, but sometimes, objects do that and that’s kind of the point of the issue. It is world building. It’s the stuff that literally builds the world and the world influences the people that live in it. Just like in the real world, we are products of our environment. Products of the world that is built for us. Unobtanium didn’t just seem like a MacGuffin, but characterized the greedy nature of the humans flocking to Pandora. It was character. It symbolized our greed, carelessness, and materialism. Edit: in short. You can’t have the story of Colonialism, Jamestown, without Tobacco, the cash crop. It’s why they were there. If you tried telling that story without the tobacco, you wouldn’t be telling history correctly.

[@samreddig8819]

You're actually onto something. Name's still stupid tho

[@mysteryneophyte]

Saved?

[@thepeatboggy]

Ngl i thought it was a little cringe when mark repeats the pet line, because it was always pointed out online Same with their attempts to make Amber more likeable, felt a little like they were responding to online discourse a little too on the nose But then again its kinda nit picky

[@AyandaKula]

What the hack is up with your voice my G?

[@PrimeParadiso]

Man just for me, I couldn’t buy into Mark’s turn towards forgiving his dad and I don’t buy the “starting a new family” as a path of redemption. My dad did some similar shit (besides ripping a city in half), then started a new family and I still haven’t forgiven him. That’s not “hate”, that’s self care to stay wary of toxic people/patterns Starting a new path doesn’t redeem you of your old mistakes, especially child-hopping as a way to convince yourself you’re becoming a better parent and person.

[@jazzyvino]

The main difference, is that Nolan is a viltrimite that has been raised with the "survival of the fittest" and brutal viltrimite mindset for THOUSANDS of years. Which made him desensitized to death and killing. He lived on Earth for 20 years which is barely a spec of time in his life. It's impressive how he picked up human morals in the end. Not to mention the fact that betraying Viltrum would literally make viltrimites go after Nolan and murder him. He decided to save his son and leave Earth alone, he was willing to sacrifice himself. Your father has been raised with morals like any other human being. So he doesn't have any excuses for fucking up like Nolan does.

[@funnywackysillyman7780]

please get translucent taskbar for your pc

[@TYKZY.BRANX._TEEK.SEE.BRANCH.]

0 10:42 "POTHiBLE" ? 1 GOT iT 4 THE TiPZ JACKWAD 2 iS THAT HEDGE BEHiND U REAL OR EDiTED iN MR. BOASTFULL? [NOT YELLiNG, JUZT LiKE TYPiNG iN CAPZ]

[@Flitalidapouet]

Was not able to watch pass episode 1 and a half. I loved season 1, but season two first episodes really turned me off.

[@LEND5209]

Nah. I still hate him. It's giving forgive your oppressors🤭

[@juiceoverflow]

wait whats so bad about enslaving all of humanity lulz :p

[@daniel8181]

Too bad I was with Nolan all the way.

[@Gojeto346]

I don’t get a hint of remorse from Nolan. I see a manipulator who is trying to bury his past so he won’t face the consequences. I don’t give a shit if he listened to Little Dark Days while flying through space, he murdered people and told his son he would just start again after calling his mother a pet. Then guess what, he does start again, and tries to act like Mark should just get over it, because they’re “family”. It’s bullshit and Mark should be way angrier than he is. Omni Man handled this poorly and as someone who wanted to see him get redeemed, I feel ripped off.

[@TsubataLately]

Yeah, this is a flaw of trying to redeem the character through his behavior towards people other than the ones that he hurt. I must admit that I haven't been keeping up with the new season, so I don't know all the details of this episode. But just on principle, it would take a lot of sacrifice for Omniman to do enough to be forgiven on Earth. Maybe it's even an impossible task. But that's the merit of him making the attempt. Going to another planet with cheater codes in place that allow him to practically speedrun all that hard work isn't very convincing, especially given that he's basically immortal.

[@Silburific]

I haven't watched season 2 yet, but yeah- from what I was hearing in this video, all I could think is "how in the world does this count as redeeming?" Oh wow, Nolan is capable of not being a monster to a different species on a different planet; I'm sure that warms the hearts of the thousands of people affected by his temper tantrum back on earth. Redemption isn't about making yourself feel better, it's about making amends with the people you wronged.

[@mortysmithc-1379]

Sometimes you look like jah

[@alexanderpreuss0701]

I haven't seen the second season yet, but the tile of this video seemed interesting. However, from what I got from the video, it sounds like bad writing. It sounds kinda like "Yeah, Omniman was redeemed... just offscreen... with people that you don't know nor have reason to care about." Is that the case? Am I getting the video wrong? Is it presented better in the show? I loved season 1 and wanted to watch season two as soon as the 2nd part was online, but this video, while praising the worldbuilding, makes me think that the writing is bad, what am I missing? o_o

[@teun_snijder8856]

Well, the thing is that most of it is from Mark’s perspective here. You say “it happened off screen”, yes, that’s what happened. His dad killed hundreds of people and then dipped for 3/4 months. So it’s not like Mark’s just like “oh, you beat me half to death, called mom a pet and destroyed Chicago…, but I hear you’ve saved some bug-people? Alright, I trust you now, it’s all good.” No. I don’t want to spoil the actual thing so let’s just put it this way: This is a 13 minute video with maybe less than a minute of clips from the actual episode which is 45 minutes and part of a longer arc. It’s not resolved off screen or on screen. They’re just planting seeds at this point and showing some growth that by the way, omni-man does not like at all. He hates that he cares and he doesn’t understand why either. So I would give it a go if I were you and form your own opinion. It’s always hard to assess whether or not a character arc is good if it’s not done yet.

[@alexanderpreuss0701]

@@teun_snijder8856 thank you for your input and context, I will definitely give Season 2 a try as soon as it is fully available, I just thought that this video gives a weird impression of omniman's growth

[@shaylelarue787]

Nah he’s irredeemable

[@ThePiachu]

Honestly, as neat it might be to redeem OmniMan, this whole plotline seems to barely have done much for the series so far. We already knew Omniman would be in trouble with his people, we already knew him and Invincible had a tense relationship, we already knew Vultramites will be attacking earth soon, we already knew Invincible was weaker than them. So what is the change that will persist after this part of the story is done? That Mr Genocide that is now dead wasn't all that bad and he had a bug kid? Was this really the best use of about a quarter of this half season runtime?

[@coronin8587]

I believe part of the problem is that season one combined so many things from the comics into one and thus needed to drag out season 2 a bit.

[@silentnight6810]

Nolan isn't dead

[@jedjade4002]

I agree on most points, but one thing I don't really agree on is that Nolan was somehow in need of redemption, not really. The audience shouldn't feel that way. He's not human. We don't see humans in stories as "in need" of anything when they step on a bug. His family? Mark specifically? Yeah, that has to be worked on, absolutely, but as a character, he didn't do anything evil. He's not an evil character at all. Again to illustrate this, we don't think of Lions as cruel horrible monsters when they kill cubs to fix a family dynamic and create their own children in their place. We don't think of birds who lay eggs in other birds nets as somehow MONSTERS. They don't need redemption. We understand that the world, and dynamics at play outside of human relations, are more dynamic, less straight forward, and less based on emotions and more on survival. Nolan is from a race of beings who dominate the stars. The UNIVERSE is their "world" and humans applying their human understanding and emotions to Viltrumites is... strange to me. If anything I'd like to see more characters within the show acknowledge that Nolan is NOT HUMAN and does not need to abide by human laws, or nature. He doesn't, and shouldn't. It's unfair to place them on him. Mark needs to have his own arc of understanding his father, his own people, etc, and that's fine if he rebels against them and thinks their methods are cruel and unneeded, but he will still be seeing it through a human lens, which needs to be addressed at some point. I'd like to see this angle talked about far more in stories because as it stands, 99% of worldbuilding and stories driven by it, focus on human emotions and sentiments more than any. The "bad guys" are simply bad guys for human beings, not actual evil people in 99% of stories, and it's fine that humans would fight back and not allow themselves to be wiped out, but it's not okay to think a carnivorous society is somehow EVIL for eating humans, for instance.

[@DDarkestKnight]

0:54 uh BS

[@playmaka2007]

This season did NOT redeem omni-man for me, he's simply just the most entertaining anti-hero/ villain character in the show by far. It was good to watch him fight the viltrumites, but the thraxons are wholly uninteresting. S2 was far weaker in the first three episodes without Omniman and his evil ways.

[@user.NameTaken]

0:25 stop showing blood and crap its disgusting KZbin Might Demonetize yo ass < Now thats real World Building for a youtuber. Great Vid tho

[@sanji1259]

i watched the first episode of season 2 and did immediatly stop. worst writing i´ve ever seen and did not expect anything else. it is also way too woke after all, convince me wrong

[@Mellodreama]