Hytorc 700 Ft-Lbs Precision Bolting System [LION GUN]

[@cameronduff884]

I'm glad I watched it till the end when you said that it might not be so common in the tire shops, but some of us tire changers are ready for something better than the same old over tightened stretched distorted and broken studds, seems like management is only concerned about documenting that the tech knew better instead of an actual equipment upgrade. Thanks for the video!

[@Shoptoolreviews]

You have a very valid point. Thanks for watching.

[@littlejackalo5326]

Putting wheels on isn't a torque critical application. If someone can't feel when a lug nut is tight enough, they don't belong near a wheel.

[@cameronduff884]

@@littlejackalo5326 good luck trying to control that...a CEO for a company that that I once worked for said in productivity meeting, "If you are doing things today, the same way you did yesterday, your part of the problem "....I'm finally getting around to their way of thinking.

[@chamlionare]

I use one almost every day working on wind turbines they are awesome

[@octaviofuentes7781]

I'm impressed with the power of this lil guns you are lucky to have one of them in your hands great video man

[@Shoptoolreviews]

Thank you very much.

[@elliotg9993]

Those features are incredible. Wow.

[@jordansharwood]

Very nice tools! I’d definitely like to use these guns as they appear to be a genius solution for torquing bolts. I think this tool would be well suited at Caterpillar Inc heavy equipment branches as torquing bolts is critical.

[@scottstepp1]

Thank you for showing how the tool works. It was very informative and gave me the insight I was looking for.

[@Shoptoolreviews]

Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for watching.

[@eosjoe565]

These sound and look like basically a motor driven torque multiplier.

[@Shoptoolreviews]

That's pretty much what they are, with some sophisticated electronics as well. Thanks for watching and commenting.

[@marcophilhom6844]

I’m will be using one this week to validate tightening on a train that we’re working on. The center pin that mounts to the body of the train that holds the truck on. I do Believe 650 lbs is the torque.

[@bobthompson4319]

i like them because of the consistency they can do. for things like head bolts. you don't have to worry about not stopping in the middle of torqing the bolt with the wrench because you ran out of room for the swing of the handle and ran into something and now the bolt that is meant to strech are ruined and that means all the other ones you put on that you have to take off are also ruined and you got to start over and buy all new and hope next time you can do it without having to start over.

[@paulw2791]

They are expensive but so are shoulder surgeries. I think they would be good in truck dealerships. I think it's worth saving for instead of the getting the gucci box. We had the air version of this in our shop but but it doesn't have the counter or the lock out code and it cost more.

[@Shoptoolreviews]

Did you have the pneumatic Ingersoll Rand version? You're right, these would be great for trucking and heavy equipment, but very few companies are going to fork out that cash for them. It definitely solves a lot of mechanics injuries and mitigates lawsuit material. More of an investment than a cost. Thanks for watching.

[@paulw2791]

@@Shoptoolreviews no it was TorcUp Raptor RP-1000 I believe. You adjusted the air and that would adjust the output of the gun. I could use that all day compared to having to have another tech hold up the other end of the torque wrench. After a while it pays for itself over and again if you maintain it, while doing main bearings on big engines.

[@isfather]

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[@legendarypillow1450]

Better than impact wrenches if you ask me. Nice torque multipliers

[@banga8080]

Hell of a bolting system 👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾

[@Shoptoolreviews]

No doubt, and a hefty price tag too. Thanks for watching and subscribing.

[@supermanley101]

Can you use this in place of a torque wrench for annual inspection torque verification? Can it be calibrated?

[@jakeguerrero8169]

We use Erad 7000s that do 7000 ftlbs sometimes we use hytorc pumps for places we cant get an erad

[@8power0]

NOW THIS IS VERY INTERESTING .

[@Shoptoolreviews]

No doubt. Serious power with very little physical feedback. Thanks for watching.

[@EdwardFrank-v8z]

We used these to bust track pads loose on bulldozers when I worked at a heavy equipment shop.

[@ironrangeautotech8292]

These are just amazing, I want them both!

[@brevinainslie6357]

We use a similar tool when bolting up flanges in the power house I’m working at. Much easier than the hytorq pump sustem. Plumbers and Pipefitters 333

[@jordanstidham81]

I work on big engines every day and will it do breakaways bc I have to do a lot of breakaways for engineering

[@samcambria3363]

Amazing tools!

[@juanc5149]

So basically it’s an electronic torque multiplier. And it uses the reactionary arm (or washer and socket). to calculate torque accurately. It applies torque using a gearbox to multiple torque. The motor spins much faster than what the socket does. I wonder what the gear ratios are. They also make a 36v they Can fastens to 5000 lbs-ft! Not a bad way to spend $6,000.00 usd for these two tools.

[@Shoptoolreviews]

It looks like you've done some research. You are correct, this is a motor-driven torque multiplier. The larger 36-volt guns go much higher as well. They're very expensive, but they offer a great solution in the right spot. Thanks for watching and commenting.

[@TheAmericanUhate]

Refineries all use job numbers, torque standards, and etc for the bolting as well. Now they just need one that torques to 2,000+ftlbs lol

[@michaelneysschens4461]

We have a gun that can torque 5000ft lb Hytorc lithium series2

[@TheAmericanUhate]

@@michaelneysschens4461 I used some of the smaller electric torque guns in the refineries but anything large like that got hydraulic torque wrenches with air-to-hydraulic pumps. For anything larger than they could do, we had a stud stretcher that basically pulled the stud and we'd tighten down the nut, and when it was released, it would be torqued to spec

[@littlejackalo5326]

@@michaelneysschens4461 you keep saying "we." Who is "we."

[@user-uw1wq9rj8g]

But how you can get those geared washers if you doesn't want to use the reactionary arm or in certain cases you can't use the reactionary arm?

[@Shoptoolreviews]

You can buy the washers and fasteners from Hytorc. Thanks for watching.

[@kentuckybeardsman]

That is a very very cool system

[@Shoptoolreviews]

Yes, it is really cool technology. Thanks for watching.

[@ginopumadera4265]

Awesome tool !!!!!

[@Shoptoolreviews]

Indeed! Really impressive to use as well. Thanks for watching and commenting.

[@TheJttv]

Looks like a nice product, but they need to get on one of the major battery platforms. Don't care which one.

[@kris-english]

So cool. I'll have to wait until I have a midlife crisis before I can justify buying one though!

[@Shoptoolreviews]

We totally understand. Thanks for watching.

[@brandonrasmussen6692]

They're like $4,000

[@brynnond.6952]

I’m curious to see how much gear reduction is going on in that tool to produce such an amazing amount of torque but I guess we will never find out since those things cost thousands of dollars each lol

[@Shoptoolreviews]

Good question! And, you're right, they're very expensive, so I'm not taking one of these apart. Thanks for watching.

[@TheAmericanUhate]

AvE needs to get his hands on one, he will rip that thing apart np. Lol

[@cameronduff884]

You can find a pre owned pneumatic one on eBay these days due to everyone wanting cordless, make sure you can get the reaction arms you will need for a price you can pay.

[@svtrader]

@@TheAmericanUhate That clown's not to going to pay $4k so he can amuse youtubers.

[@TheAmericanUhate]

@@svtrader He's ripped shit apart worth more, for less.

[@alexyu6928]

I thought in one of your videos you were using one these Hytorc Precision Bolting System to torque the nuts on the test structure up to 2000 ft-lb to test that giant 2000 ft-lb impact gun. But here you showed they only do 250 and 700 ft-lb. Am I missing some information from both videos?

[@michaelneysschens4461]

Hi we have different models of guns available each with its own torque range. The lion gun in demo is an 18v battery gun 3/4" drive. We have 36v guns that are 1 " and 1 1/2" drive that can do 5000ft lb

[@mxcatkiller]

I’d like your opinion buddy, we run a farm and I’m looking to buy 2 impacts ASAP I want something that will last as long as possible, I have DeWalts and now 2 SnapOn impacts. Iv had one of the 1/2” SnapOn rebuilt so far and I don’t even use DeWalts anymore because they are just a waste of time. (The DeWalts are a couple years old now) what I’d like to know is what would you buy if you were me? I thought about going the Milwaukee route.... 2) 1/2”impact and 1) 1” i want an investment and not a “buy and use for three years and have to start over” because of a new version of battery or it broke/Bs like that. Thanks, I know the question has many factors. Much appreciation, and always thanks for the great content!

[@farmdadco]

I farm and ranch too . Bought the Milwaukee 1/2 high torque and 3/8 mid torque m18 impacts a year ago and am real pleased with them . I use the 1/4 m18 hex impact with an adapter for 1/4 and lighter 3/8 work and the only bitch there is that it is a little too powerful and will snap the adapters if you are not real careful . On the bigger fuel guns if you bite the bullet and buy a 9 or 12ah battery its like a whole new tool with the power they will output . I still run air for my 3/4 and 1' guns primarily because I own them already and don't want to spend the money to go cordless when what I have works and its not that much trouble to drag hose from the portable compressor for the times I need to step up .

[@mxcatkiller]

farmdadco thank ya sir!! I definitely appreciate the feed back! I have to admit I wanna jump on that Milwaukee train!

[@Shoptoolreviews]

Thanks so much for watching and commenting. You're right, your question/s have many factors, but I'll go ahead a take a shot. When you have a moment to reply: how big of equipment and fasteners (over 1")? How often do you use the impact for fasteners over 1"? If you're not happy with DeWalt, which I understand, then I'd probably shoot for Milwaukee M18 or Ingersoll Rand. Albeit, Ingersoll Rand is more of a pain to find. Milwaukee, at least you can find them on just about any corner. It seems like you're leaning toward purchasing 3 guns: two 1/2" models and one 1" model. I think that's a great idea. If you're doing a lot of wheel/tire changes, then I'd lean toward the extended anvil 1". If you are looking at purchasing 2 of the 1/2" models, you may want to look at making one of these a 3/4" model. It's the same impact, but with the larger anvil. You will notice some performance gain in the larger anvil (more inertia/rotating-mass). As for larger batteries: they have a very slight performance gain, but probably not recognizable. Where they do gain traction is Not dropping off so soon. Using the impacts, once the battery drops to ~50% (2 bars), then you will notice a decline in performance. With a larger battery, you will have a longer runtime before you reach that decline. This is the biggest benefit. I look forward to hearing more.

[@littlejackalo5326]

@@mxcatkiller if you're unhappy with the DeWalt, the Milwaukee will disappoint even more. They're like a Tesla. Yeah they are powerful, but everything else about them are junk. It's good for people who watch KZbin channels that only test Max output. I buy right around 100 cordless tools a year for my company, and I buy all the major brands. I usually stick to DeWalt. But sometimes I need to pick up 5 impact drivers or impact wrenches, and they'll only have 3 deals, so I'll have to pick up a few Milwaukee ones too. I've done long term testing for 20 years, and the Milwaukee just doesn't last. It'll give you a bit more power, but it'll only do it for 6 months. I have 14.4V DeWalt tools from 20-25 years ago, that are still kicking around. I have 81 empires that really abuse tools, and it of the hundreds of cordless tools I've bought, DeWalt always lasts much longer than Milwaukee. Something ALWAYS breaks on the Milwaukee tools.

[@xaytana]

Too bad you didn't tear them down. I'm curious how deep the reduction is in those gearboxes and what actually differentiates the two guns, if it's motor or just different gearboxes. I'm also curious of what motors they're using, as these guns really don't look all that large and are putting out tons of torque.

[@Shoptoolreviews]

It would be interesting to see what's inside, but I didn't want to take that chance with such an expensive tool. Thanks for watching.

[@xaytana]

@@Shoptoolreviews I'm thinking it's probably 5 or 6 reductions deep, maybe one less if they're using thicker gears, on the 250, and an additional reduction deeper on the 750. Looking at the 750 and how the reactionary holder is split from the casing exiting the plastic of the gun, but only the last two reductions are attached to the arm, where the reductions on the others are attached to the drill, every ring in each planetary set is held, and the separation of the holding mechanisms are what allow the two to move independently. I think that additional gearbox is really the only difference between the two guns, as it would only need to be a 3:1 reduction to get to 750 foot pounds. Fairly simple design, and I'm surprised we don't see more torque guns like this. If we knew the specs of the motor itself, we could determine what the overall reduction is, then work backwards from there to determine individual reductions, and determine what the highest torque rating would be if the gun wasn't limited by it's computer. On the torque measurement side of things, they probably have a sensor on the motor side of the gearbox, then multiplying that measurement by the gearbox's reduction on the computer where you program everything. A torque sensor on the motor would be measuring in inch pounds, and at most probably under 10 foot pounds. The ludicrous pricing only comes from this being a tool used in industry settings, by companies that consider the cost as pocket change type prices. Otherwise it's really no different from a drill that has a display and a small computer in it, and a larger gearbox than what's typical. If a consumer variant ever existed, I'd see it competing within the price range of a consumer impact gun of similar torque figures. I'm somewhat surprised none of the consumer brands have tried to tap into the non-impact torque gun market. It might be slightly slower than an impact gun, especially when zipping off a fastener in reverse, but for proper torquing, and maybe even breaking a fastener loose, I'd very much prefer a reduction-based gun like these.

[@yzhang8629]

If it has a keypad, and I have it, I promise every nut I install on my mower/snowblower/car/…… will be torqued to the specified value

[@Shoptoolreviews]

Thanks for watching.

[@ThatMetalheadguy666]

Very cool and interesting video. However, because you have the degree back off ability, do you have to set your initial tightening degree higher to compensate for the degree back off? Sorry if this doesn't make sense, I wasn't really sure how to word my question 😂

[@aayesher9400]

No. It does it to tighten to the exact same torque spec as before.

[@littlejackalo5326]

The the "back of ability" doesn't loosen the fastener. It just takes the strain off of the reaction arm when the slop is taken up. It just reversed direction a tiny bit too let you take off the socket.

[@kartboarder22g17]

Very cool

[@Shoptoolreviews]

Thank you and thanks for watching.

[@Atabaim]

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[@paulhogsten2613]

That would Remove a Lions Nuts effectively killing its Pride!

[@antistress8689]

i ask them for the price, for a cheapest package is $3xxx perfect tool for multi technician

[@bestbuildpc]

i was always asking to see some impact machine like that and I guess this is the future. The question is how much does it cost this beast?

[@Shoptoolreviews]

This is not the same as an impact wrench. Much different. These cost about $2,500 and higher. Thanks for watching.

[@bestbuildpc]

@@Shoptoolreviews i knew it lol . This machine will replace the old school torque wrench for sure!!

[@nuclearexplosion5841]

Why would the one that looks bigger and has a bigger anvil have less torque? Edit: you clarified it later

[@Shoptoolreviews]

I may have mixed them up in my intro, but I had them correct while using them. Thanks for watching and commenting.

[@andrewgarcia4600]

Your are just paying for convenience and I want one.

[@alejandropelayo5142]

Good video for what it is, but I would've liked to see some accuracy testing. What the drill's errors are and how close to torque they really are.

[@atadali6199]

Great video. Just missing url buying links.

[@Shoptoolreviews]

They don't sell online. Thanks for watching.

[@atadali6199]

@@Shoptoolreviews actually available on ebay. However I won't be that crazy🤑$$$

[@colchronic]

They don't sell online but they have a store in Houston

[@bobthompson4319]

to bad its not Bluetooth to your phone then uploads it to a cloud type of account that you can send to some agency and your boss or the business your doing work for to show its exactly the way its supposed to be for the future

[@behemothinferno]

Shame you didn't show us how that washer works as it is not clear from just watching the video!

[@Shoptoolreviews]

The washer fits perfectly to the special socket, so you have a socket inside a socket. They couteract one another, so there is no reactive force. Thanks for watching.

[@colchronic]

Pretty sure the arm is a torque multiplier

[@Shoptoolreviews]

No, these are not torque multipliers. They are torque guns, and the arm is a reactionary arm. Thanks for watching.

[@colchronic]

@@Shoptoolreviews I mean sure that's probably what they call it but yeah it serves the same function notice how it spins opposite it basically is a torque multiplier you can buy the same thing for a half inch drive ratchet and get a nut to torque up to 1,000 foot pounds

[@TimberTrainer]

Really cool, until you mention they cost several thousand dollars.

[@Shoptoolreviews]

Great point! Yes, that seems to stop most in their tracks. Although, there are some industries that absolutely seen the value in these torque guns. Thanks for watching.

[@anthonyprice4069]

NEVER SAW HIM CHECK THE TORQUE WITH A DIFFERENT TOOL

[@peterpeter5666]

That gun cost like 4000.00 . I think ill stick to my snap- on digital torque wrench thank you very much !

[@peterpeter5666]

@@christopherbrewer4421 i understand what your saying. you need a really good reason to justify buying one. Plus more or less everything is moving to degrees now anyway.

[@Shoptoolreviews]

Thanks for watching.

[@Adscam]

So you are basically saying this is suitable at every Jiffy Lube across the country 👻

[@dchawk81]

Would be nice for my semi but 4 grand. Yikes.

[@angelisone]

$10,000.00 per gun is not cheap.

[@Shoptoolreviews]

Not quite that much, but they are expensive. Thanks for watching.

[@enochcheng2741]

it cost 4 grand

[@Shoptoolreviews]

You are correct. Thanks for watching.

[@InsuranceIsLegalizedRobbery]

I checked prices of both online, the .25 is $2,495 the other .70 is $3,995 🧐🧐 I’ll try to trade in on offerup my M18 1/2 fuel 2767-20 for just the control arm, let ya’ll know if I get lucky with that

[@Shoptoolreviews]

We're cheering for you. Thanks for watching.

[@littlejackalo5326]

@@bigboreracing356 the thing that sucks is how poorly these guns are made. Trash quality plastic, junk mold & for work, clamshell doesn't line up and has flashing. It's just put quality for & finish and trash quality materials.

[@samcambria3363]

@@littlejackalo5326 I have seen them with 12000 torques without a failure or decrease in torque output.