I BROKE A VIEWERS PC??

[@kannabi]

Ahhh I love it, thank you so much Loz!! You are amazing!! ❤❤❤

[@kannabi]

@JustGaming TV 😂😂

[@GregSalazar]

Great find! Testing the owner's chip in another board was crucial here, revealing the _true_ culprit. Many would have called it quits prior.

[@GoWstingray]

From watching your fix or flops I had it being the faulty memory controller issue you have had getting a few times now ha

[@SlyStarling]

I ended up in a similar situation however i some how always manage to make the cpu unseated correctly, I seem to have a habit of a doing it

[@Mack_Dingo]

This happened to me once took it apart, put back togather and a slot or stick stopped working. Ended up getting a new mb

[@ephjaymusic]

Amazing! I love your systematic approach to troubleshooting. I've had similar issues with new builds in the past. It can be very harrowing when expensive builds don't work as expected...

[@lgeiger]

It's mind-blowing that you actually detected the root cause of the initial problem that he already had before the upgrade.

[@Nate-uf4xk]

I love the clean, minimalist look. The Ikea mat fix was really clever too

[@PLr1c3r]

at 4:14 the retention lock seems to fall down into closed position without force. This tells me that the issue is a temperamental retention bracket. Another clue is that sometimes its sticking to the cooler on removal and sometimes it isn't. The way these work is a grid array that slide over the pins to lock them into position. causing them to make proper contact with the pins.

[@ren7a8ero]

I really like to heard troubleshoot tales, sometimes things just go the way they want and leave us without a clue... At least this was a good journey and you isolate that condition. Stability is king, and you got it!!!

[@__-xp2np]

what

[@zenstrata]

This is likely a result of the motherboard company using cheap base materials in their motherboard which experience more thermal expansion when heated. - Not all motherboard substrate materials are equal! - This is a problem with extremely cheap motherboards, and a good reason to avoid the low-end of the market. It's also a good reason to make sure your case has good cooling.

[@mattyfierroz767]

Well done and much respect for providing your own mobo and getting the customer up and running again. I have had similar situations where substituting my own equipment was necessary to providing great service. Kudos and awesome follow up video!

[@ChrisGR93_TxS]

8:00 motherboard is bowing with the new cooler. probably some mem traces are cracked. Low layer motherboards suck! Im sorry but it happens and especially when the cooler is heavier also after a while when the weight dragging it down until something disconnects (layer crack) (I'd remove the cooler ram and gpu to ship it back safely)

[@buchanpeter]

Good quality content and i'm impressed with ur detailed troubleshooting. Including that airflow issue u caught at the end. I would never have thought of checking that. Hope to see more videos soon :)

[@veritanuda]

Well, I did not expect that.. But that being said, I have seen micro fractures in mother boards before. (notably including a server one) Because these boards have so many layers, localised hot spots can physically stress the board as the layers expand at different rates. The ground layer has far more copper than other layers, for example. But between the signals layer and the power layer, a lot of disparity can exist. I would suspect it was the MB being the culprit rather than the CPU, simply because CPUs either connect or they do not, and it worked in another MB fine. So props Lauren. You did a good call, even if it was an unwanted one.

[@creepinwhileyousleepin]

Thats some very thorough testing to get to the bottom of that memory issue. Props to you

[@odlanyermuller4849]

Wow, great job, not only by analyzing the possibilities, but fixing the problems, even with the airflow. I can see the love and passion you have in doing this kind of work, investing so much time on fixing it plus post video editing. Many prebuilt pc stores should take notes of your work. Congratulations :)

[@DesuVR]

Such a thorough diagnostic! I would've been at my wit's end and just buy new components altogether. Computer problems are challenging. 😅

[@HirXeBomb]

When I have someone or a company fix something for me, I don't expect it to be fixed straight away. Always take your time. Rather have it take time and 100% fixed than quickly done and not 100% fixed. You did a wonderful job and learned a few things in the process. Here you deserved it, take my sub, it was a pleasure to watch! 😊

[@blueblade455]

Damn Lauren, you gotta be one the smartest PC builders I've ever seen to figure out all these little issues with building a new PC. Along with your amount of patience and attention to detail, I'm sure you can fix anything! That's why I love your channel. Keep up the great work!

[@BlaaqBear]

This happened to me on one of my previous builds. I was using an EK waterblock on the CPU and when it was tightened down all the way it caused the system not to post. However slightly loosening it (ever so slightly) solved the problem. The system looks great and good work troubleshooting through all the problems!

[@jasonroche3690]

The new build looks brilliant 😊 really enjoyed this.

[@Dantestoussaint]

Great job! Those USB headers are a massive PITA when in comes to aesthetics. Surely there is a better way now... Such comprehensive diagnosis. Can only imagine how much time this took! Well played.

[@NainGeantMiniature]

Case and USB headers can be infuriating at times. Really wish a new standard was developed. Also, they should be repositioned to the top right of the board.

[@valkhii]

When You figured out the pressure issue, it must have been such an "AHA!" moment. It would've drove me crazy not knowing fully what the cause of the issue might be, and having this kind of an explanation would've been really comforting. While the issue is still there, narrowing down the possible causes gives this clearity so one doesn't feel so stuck.

[@Leo.501]

Problem with asus tuf mobo was user related (owner of the pc), improper mount of the cpu cooler in the past made this issue on the socket. I stopped building pc's for other ppl long time ago, exactlly for these reasons, they do a small fk-up and then is "my problem" when I try to help them. So now I build only for myself with my own hardware and never had those major issues lol. Cheers!

[@FirmB1ade]

What is probably happening is that the board is bending with the old cooler. This engages the cpu pins and they have been bent slightly in that direction because of it. The new cooler has a stiffer mounting so is applying more direct pressure on the cpu with less vertical bending of the socket. This means the slightly bent pins and socket do not make contact on a couple of pins, disabling those slots. The other cpu from the same gen still makes contact as it's pins have not been bent by being in a curved socket for years. essentially you have a slightly damaged socket and a slightly damaged cpu that both work with undamaged parts. It's great how you showed your workflow of troubleshooting as many people nowdays don't have that kind of logical thinking skills. Something the IT industry is sorely losing. Pc's being so easy to build means people who do it don't need to know how they work like we used to. It's actually good you came across this issue as you can highlight a skill that people definitely need.

[@LaughOutLiberty]

This is honestly one of the most compelling tests that I have seen troubleshooting CPUs and coolers. Incredible. Thanks for this.

[@bumbaliph]

You're so thorough! This is the first video of yours I've seen. I learned some things in this video that I can now look out for in future AM4 systems. I especially appreciated the airflow segment of this video. Liked and subscribed.

[@PhobiaSoft]

What a horrible problem to try to find and diagnose! Well done! If it had been me, I don't think I would've made it beyond "This CPU is flaky, its getting replaced" 😅

[@corvinius3]

its always handy to troubleshoot unstable system when you have spare parts fort testing toherwise this wouldnt be possible. Well done on troubleshoot I know it can be really frustrating at times but thats the only way to do it properly

[@____________________________.x]

I used to repair scientific electronic equipment, and that was some pretty good troubleshooting, well done. I've also used curved acrylic card to redirect airflow around a case, it works quite well

[@socaldayve]

Great stuff! I particularly like the chart at 6:43 . I don't think I've seen anything like that before in a PC troubleshooting vid.

[@alberttheroa4164]

I'm sure he will love the build. I don't think anyone would do such a thorough job of diagnosing as you did. You are fantastic at what you do and this person should be honored that you redid this PC. Great Job. All the best.

[@kannabi]

i really love it!!

[@mikedyson3407]

Great troubleshooting! Only other thing I might have tried but not the fix in this case is to spray some electrical contact cleaner (I use wd40 specialist electrical contact solvent spray) in to both the ram slots, on the ram contacts, motherboard socket and the cup itself. Always do with power off as can cause condensation, so give time for it to evaporate before putting back together. Very slight chance dirty contact in both a pin and socket hole could the be enough for it not to work. Seems definitely pressure related in this case. Hope you haven't left yourself without a motherboard now though? If so hit me up, might be able to help.

[@cbezanis]

Thank you Lauren for mentioning Remi's FanControl app, I had no idea this was a thing, the mixed curve option is absolutely brilliant !

[@pds8475]

It's possible that there is a micro crack on the motherboard which the new fans retention system is causing stress on. This would be caused by dropping the PC or the PC getting a knock while being transported. Other than that wear and tear on the socket could cause pins not to connect properly. But you would expect that the motherboard would be a lot older than it is for the socket to be worn. Other than that it could be a manufacturing defect. But in that case you would expect the defect to have been noticed from buying the motherboard new and the motherboard would have been replaced under warranty.

[@nielderfp]

Is it possible that it's a microscopic crack in the MB which opens up when the cooler is tightened or two solder joints on the back of the MB which touch as the cooler, when tightened, slightly bends the MB?

[@SianaGearz]

You can't really crack those traces. But you can crack the solder joints under the socket, they can be brittle, or the contacts of the socket can be bent somewhat out of shape. Backplate stray contact shouldn't be happening, either the backplate is insulated or they have distances figured out. Keep in mind it does work with different CPUs, so... i'm thinking socket dirt or socket damage.

[@Lemonaded]

Not only great job troubleshooting but also for being persistent and patient, sometimes these things can stress you out & the way you presented the steps take were very clear! All around great video 😁💛

[@RemyL75]

I heard from an employee at one of the local Microcenter stores (Chicago, IL) that they had a lot of X570 TUF motherboards returned due to issues. This was back in 2021. I did not think to look up any issues with it, as i don't usually buy the TUF series, but I saw them at a super low price and asked about them. Hope this helps.

[@daedalusrunner8423]

I watched this not knowing what to expect....I was absolutely shocked how well this was put together. You have a really great skill for attention to detail

[@edplat2367]

One thing I can tell you is I never trust moving motherboards in built desktops. Even if you remove the cooler before shipping. There is probably a hairline fracture in the original board that you can't see. The other possibility is when the cooler was removed originally and yanked out the CPU with it that there was some additional strain on the board that worsens the issue. It is very nice you replaced the viewers board but honestly I think it was most likely damaged when being transported.

[@keokio7]

It is definitely a strange issue, something I've never even heard of. The perfectionist side of me would've tested with another cooler just to make sure it isn't isolated to the new cooler, maybe even an aftermarket back plate if there was one. You went out of your way for this PC. The customer should be happy.

[@SianaGearz]

Was waiting for this. I think this mainboard either has some dirt inside the socket (could be thermal paste residue), or a more serious issue, that the socket solder joints to the PCB are damaged. The socket soldering is a weak point on AM4, and you've seen how mistreated this PC was in the past, if it fell down, well that's not a good time. I was certain you haven't damaged the mainboard when removing the CPU. AM4 CPU shouldn't be pressure sensitive at all, so any pressure effects point towards a socket problem on the mainboard. You can fundamentally have a repairman replace the socket for you with a brand new one, it's equipment and skill intensive but actually a really quick job, and a replacement socket costs almost nothing, so maybe they can offer you a price that makes sense. Thermal paste also gets easily into the edge pins of the socket, which are critical for one of the memory channels. and the slanted hinge part of the socket practically guides paste in there. You can spray into the socket with some nice high pressure isopropanol spray can to attempt to clean it. Or residue-free contact/pot cleaner. Or even plastic-safe brake cleaner though using it near electrolytic capacitors is a little iffy. The CPU should be fine, but the pins might be a little not quite factory-shaped any longer.

[@phiwolgast]

I love this type of diagnostic content. It's helped me countless times on both personal builds and builds for other people. Keep up the good work!

[@nickconnelly8371]

Unexpected solution! Now I've got a previous "dead" motherboard I should retest. Sounds like some weird tolerance issue with pins, socket and/or cooler mount pressure? Glad you mentioned Bios update that's my go to. Always appreciate the videos, you have a very calming presentation.

[@michaelthompson9798]

Nothing worse than helping a friend or family member with a pc issue to potentially damage it when trying to resolve the initial issue 🤦‍♂🤦‍♀😢. It’s a devastating feeling! Thankfully this PC issue was diagnosed and not an issue of the repairer damaging the build. I’ve come across cpu cooler mount issues creating a memory post error myself and checking the cooler mount is the 2nd thing I do ….. after reseating the memory …. As reseating the cpu can be done after checking the cooler mount pressure 😇👍💪.

[@CyberClu]

Very educational troubleshooting guide. I would have never thought about the CPU cooler mount being the problem! That's a new one on me.

[@zinxderobo]

This is one of the most interesting PC videos I've seen in quite some time, excellent work, Thanks!!

[@davidgunther8428]

Maybe the motherboard or socket has a crack or contact spring that is sensitive to pressure? That was a very difficult symptom to track down!

[@neoqueto]

Interesting to see that the mount is important not only in XOC but also in day to day life, it can be make or break of a build. Thank you Lauren, that was insightful and honestly pretty sincere because not often you see the imperfect side of the story in videos

[@atishalii]

Fantastic video, fantastic troubleshooting progress since 1st video, fantastic ideas and I've gotta mention fantastic Voice too !!!

[@ngtflyer]

Fantastic troubleshooting here. Also, I'm not a big LED RGB person but the way you have that system set up, it's quite tasteful. Kudos!

[@mattbarrett984]

the Ikea Mat was a great touch helped airflow and made it look way nicer. I will say, custom cables go a long way and cost relatively little when doing a re/build

[@LordFalon]

Extremely informative from a voice that melts in your ears like honey. Thank you for the content! I hope to see more in the future!

[@Takisanti]

Great thorough explanation of the process. Thank you :)

[@Dirt33breaks]

You should look at the traces on the motherboard that pass by the cpu cooler mounting holes. I have 2 asus boards that traces are too close to the holes and when the cooler is installed it scratched the traces and shorted them, causing 1 ram slot to stop working. But works fine when lossened

[@Spark010]

Contact cleaner on cpu pads would have been a step I would have taken at some point.

[@ravenof1985]

cantact cleaner / airflow sensor cleaner applied to the CPU/socket will sometimes clear up issues like this, i had a brand new build PC for a customer that was inconsistently unstable, i tried all of the usual troubleshooting steps, some things would improve stabilty or change the trigger, but nothing stopped it crashing completely, eventually i cracked it and DROWNED the motherboard and CPU in circuit board cleaner, dried it and re assembled - NO MORE ISSUES

[@Viking8888]

Nice build and troubleshooting Lauren. Gotta love a simple black and white storm trooper build. Add a little colour and it's just icing on the cake!

[@tech360gamer]

Oh, wow this is such an interesting problem. Pretty cool how you’ve found out about the information. Thanks for making the video.

[@BlackBirdMax]

Great video. I really enjoyed your troubleshooting steps and not hiding any mistakes. I look forward to more content.

[@ShanGamer1981]

Glad to see a new video from you. We need more 💪

[@tkimaginestudio]

Great sleuthing! I also highly appreciate the attention to detail regarding the case modification (closing the escape route for the intake air).

[@DamZFXBeats]

Bait title that actually turned out to be not bait at all! Lovely to see you back and great troubleshooting showcase! Watched the whole video :). Keep up the great work!

[@ClarkTomato]

Great build and really informational... Proves what I've been noticing for ryzen cpus that I've dealth with these past 4 years is that the mounting pressure really affects the cpu - ram/PCIE communication... I have an SFF build which I carry all the time with me when I go on vacation and it has issues with either not posting ,not reading all the memory modules or resetting back to default bios settings. Even an accidental table bump (My system has no HDD) causes my PC to crash and have the above mentioned symptoms. After troubleshooting, it always isolates to the CPU getting loose...hopefully the AM5 socket eliminates those issues. Well done and more power to your channel!

[@AMD718]

I'm very impressed by your methodical persistence. It always pays off and in the process you did a great job for your patron, your channel, and your own experience toolbox.

[@Strateegee]

Wow! Machine looks great! What a weirddddd problem!!! Amazing diagnostic skills there!

[@angry_wizard]

That is an absolutely insane issue, I would have been driven mad trying to figure that one out. Toughest issue I ever had was a weird random kernel 41 error (random shutdown) that had me undoing overclocks and XMP, manually tuning in RAM timings and frequencies, manually tuning vcore and cache voltages, updating my BIOS, reflashing my GPU's vBIOS, reformatting my harddrive and reinstalling windows, updating chipset drivers and more before figuring out it was a c-state issue and that changing a single BIOS option would have fixed it.

[@ChloeThomsonYT]

Your voice is so chill ❤

[@xXValentineXx]

i have your old case :) the corsair one. i rly like it so much space for Harddrives and even for BD Disc drive :) new Case looks cool too. Good video ^^

[@kannabi]

yeah it was a great case for that! because i ended up going with a separate NAS, I just didn't really need it to be so big anymore haha :) was originally used for my 2015 build

[@MahmoudMaguid]

The amount of time and effort you put in. That owners PC is very very lucky you looked at it and not some other professional, because I seriously doubt they would have put this much effort in. I applaud your enthusiasm. May you never loose it. The PC looks amazing BTW.

[@vivekgarge5576]

Your ability to troubleshoot is fantastic. I’ve had so many issues with pc’s in the past not booting because of defective ram slots and watching your issues gave me severe ptsd XD. Glad you were able to fix. Can’t wait for your next video!

[@_aPaladin]

Good job, I've run into that problem many times with other people's computers. It never is a happy ending, as the best solution would be to replace the motherboard, because eventually with a faulty motherboard problems will just creep back up later down the line.

[@SashimiSteak]

Damn this is such a strange issue. If you didn't get the system sent to you with the memory channels working who would have thought cooler mounting pressure is the culprit? What a ways to start a new type on content lol.

[@Kostas_Sifakis]

WoW that's weird n' hard!! gz for troubleshooting it. Some steps I would may do in addition: -Clean the whole MB with paint brush and alcohol at both sides. In this case even inside the ram slots. -Use a rubber for the ram golden contacts and then alcohol as well. -Take in and out the Ram in the memory slots x10-x20 times.

[@jasonsaez3668]

Lauren, so cool to see the troubleshooting process! You've given me new ideas on what to look for! Cheers!

[@S3nt1n3l1]

Check the CPU mounts solder joints for dry joints. Check that the CPU didn't get so hot that the solder holding the CPU mount to the motherboard hasn't been adversely affected in some way. (hot cold changes breaking a joint) With surface mount components you can't just take a soldering iron to the board to fix these issues, you need to have a Hot Air Soldering Station to gently melt the solder and then let it set again. Finally check that each hole in the mount is clear of debris and the metal contacts aren't damaged.

[@Valandized]

Wow! Great analysis and troubleshooting there Lauren! You nailed it 😊

[@danmyname]

Fantastic video filming. It must have taken you ages to edit. Thank you for your effort.

[@YasumotoUS]

Love the demonstrated troubleshooting methodology. As a long time IT professional, I really appreciate your approach. I'm glad that you were able to get a stable system running for your viewer. And it would be very cool for a mobo manufacturer to set you up with a few high end examples of their boards. You would do their products justice in configuration, testing and use.

[@keepphobia]

Dang thats good. You’re good at this stuff. Keep up the good work!

[@pl2578]

I had this issue in an older build. The RAM sticks just didn't work together but seemed to work fine in a single configuration. I don't think I ever fixed the problem, but after diagnosing it, I just kept reseating the CPU and trying different RAM slot configs until it finally posted. Then I never touched that system again. Great detective work in your case. Diagnosing faults is a time consuming, irritating process that often leaves you completely lost at sea.

[@mylinuxstruggle5495]

So this was a pretty amazing Video. I have seen things like this before but it's extreme frustrating. Ultimately you did the right thing something about this video just left me so much of a positive feeling. Being in IT there is something about solving a problem that everyone has been looking for the answer for that feels stratifying.

[@TipsOnTheFly]

About the build: I love it! looks absolutely stunning! With all due respect, looks way better than before. About the malfunction: Since the problem only manifests when pressure is applied to the CPU socket, It could be the contacts on the motherboard on the PGA Socket. they are quite sensitive, believe it or not. That or a bad solder point in one of the components of the motherboard. the CPU coming out with the cooler, even though not ideal, shouldn't be enough to create any permanent issues. the twist and turn technique of removal usually only works with old thermal paste. depending on the new thermal paste viscosity and luck, anything might happen. all of the statements i just made are just my humble experience. I am not stating absolute truths, I am sharing my personal and professional experience. (I work in a Portuguese Tech Device Manufacturer assembling, fixing and maintaining Desktops, Laptops, Tablets, Phones, Monitors...)

[@verizon016]

No need to say anything. The analysis was thorough and to the point. Good job Laurean

[@itsdeonlol]

Love the PC troubleshooting videos Lauren!

[@Lurker-dk8jk]

Brilliant work! Far more patient, analytical and generous than I would have been.

[@bfforlife1880]

I’m guessing it’s a slightly bent pin on the processor which means as you add pressure it doesn’t get good contact with the socket. I have to inspect pins by spinning the cpu with a well lit magnifying glass looking for ANY minor changes. Use a razor blade to straighten them, but be gentle. It takes very little to move them and or break them off if they are loosened. When it’s in the other board, the issue may not be seen as the contact might be slightly better than the one you see the issue on.

[@suehunt622]

I have used a small block of plastic to apply pressure on the cpu socket from underneath. This countered the pressure being applied by the cooler. Great video and great to see how you figured it out.

[@backslang]

Your pc knowledge is very impressive plus your vids are bril ! Your voice is easy listening too! Win win. X

[@cbdougla]

I really enjoyed this video. Great troubleshooting steps.

[@88MPHARU]

love your content awesome rework of the build

[@bjornevers7562]

Glad to see it got up and running fine, nice touch giving the motherboard to the viewer. One tip about am4 take your time taking the cooler off, yeah amd CPU’s can stick to the cooler but when you lightly press en twist carefully left and right the cpu stays in place almost always. Kinda looked like you pulled hard on the cooler wiggle a bit more in the future it does help. But nice video keep it up, looking forward to your next build / fix.

[@wargames43]

it could also be the copper traces underneath the pressure area being snapped in half. This is something that could accur if the CPU cooler was tightened to much and seeing the state of the pc before it got even to you it seems like the copper traces have snapped because someone tightened it to much. Whenever the heavy cooler is on it it could bent it just out of possition and no make contact thus giving a error. So it looks like a broken copper trace i have had this with a customer before too. the reason this issue does not persist with a lighter cooler or with different CPU's is that the metal covers are not all equal in size and there could be a 1nano meter difference on those cpu's which is enough to offset a broken copper trace i mean the copper traces these days are like 0.25mm so even the smallest offset could prevent data signals from sending

[@marble_wraith]

6:54 - Replace the motherboard. If the individual components (RAM / CPU) both function. Then logically speaking the only thing left is the bus that facilitates comms between them.

[@kenlectron]

I had a similar issue. The PC worked just fine a night before, but when I turned it on the next day I only got a black screen. When I used only one memory stick it posted just fine. However, when inserting the 2nd one the PC was not posting anymore. Then, I've tried wiggling a little bit the memories and then it worked just fine with all 4 sticks since then. I think it might be an issue with the solder joints at one of the RAM sockets. I really like the way you diagnosed this PC.

[@uknavi6958]

Consider that in transport the cpu heat sink could have bent or damaged the cpu seating area. That would explain the tightening issue. Oh and too anyone who owns a Ichill x4 3090 little tip, the retention bracket that comes with it adds thermal temps, if you wanna stop sag get a motherboard mounted gpu sag kit (arorus x470 came with one I’m not sure on newer boards).

[@robertdrinkall8947]

Welcome back. Interesting video. You seem to have checked just about everything. The only thing that comes to mind is that maybe the heavy cooler is stressing the CPU socket, which may have a cracked soldered joint that parts under stress.🤔

[@ianmcleod6428]

The AM4 CPU is a royal pain to remove. I have always placed a heat gun (or hair dryer ) around the area before lifting a cooler. This has paid off on Intel and AMD CPU's. Thank you for the video. Great workaround for the positive pressure airflow. Five stars!

[@ThatsMrMaxHeadroomToYou]

I experenced the EXACT same issue when installing my 5800X Lauren, some of the Ryzen platform CPUs have to be left light as a feather or it somehow trips due to to the pins being a fraction of a nanometre too low into the socket. It took me bloody ages to work it out and it wasn't until I posted it without my AIO as you did, I realised that it was a pressure issue and resolved it. As soon as I saw the error code lights I instantly knew what it was! 🤣 Marvelous work as always, well done for figuring it out so methodically! 🤘

[@AlwaysPim]

That turned out beautifully. Well done!

[@AlphaMachina]

You just earned a subscriber! What an awesome video. Can't wait to see more.

[@Specificpickle]

This process was so fun and interesting to watch, and filmed so skillfully!

[@DJJOOLZDE]

That's one hell of an error and difficult to diagnose for sure. Great job solving it! & nice to see you posting vids again :)

[@hobolive123]

Thank you so much, been looking for a replacement for speedfan for years. When you're water-cooling, or even air cooling, only being able to base the fan speed off CPU temp is super pants. Remi fancontrol for the win. Also great investigation on the memory issue, everything was normal investigation of that issue until you started looking at mounting pressure 🤯 I have learnt a new trick. Thanks again