I Broke The Metric Krone Baler!!!

[@davidheap5338]

Wes the reason why the bolt is one size and the nut is another is so you only need one set of wrenches, makes perfect sense to us here in UK. over there in the US you need to have two sets of wrenches, so you have say a 1/2" nut and bolt you need two 1/2" spanners.

[@KurvedRK]

Jep that’s the whole reason makes perfect sense indeed.

[@CurtMcElvain]

You only own one set of wrenches?? lol 😂. I know no mechanics, construction nor farmers who only have one set of wrenches. Most have a metric crescent wrench also.

[@TheRealJesseStoltzfus]

⁠@@CurtMcElvainI didn’t know they made a metric Crescent wrench 😂😂😂

[@lucasnitschke6788]

​@@CurtMcElvainwe often only have 1 set in a tractor to repair stuff in the field, that's why. Yes everyones shop has more than one set, but it's in field that you need to fix shit in a hurry with limited tools!

[@0796logsplitter]

Come back on that one Wesley😂

[@PeterIJmker]

Two wrench sizes are used for the same size bolt/nut because then you only need one set of wrenches

[@leinie6683]

How often do you use 2 wrenches and not a ratchet or an impact ? not very

[@alanb9337]

Broken Motorsports (SE Philadelphia) West Berlin, NJ in the past may have shared some of their Subaru engine knowledge to a young man to assist the fixing of his car. (Jim's Automotive Machine shop inc - youtube "How do we clean your engine parts in our machine shop?' 650F/ 430Celsius bake oven to cook off oil grime build ups, glass bead cleaner, water/ detergent wash for Aluminum parts, caustic wash for steel parts, steel shot cleaning. Air for blowoff and water for rinsing, etc.

[@tbix1963]

Thanks for sharing your thoughts, ideas and videos. Wishing you and your family the best. metric sucks. And manufacturers that make them suck even more.

[@andrewmckee8874]

Love this banter over metric/imperial 😂. Was brought up on a farm but dad was a trawler skipper.. went to school when all they taught was metric, old farm equipment was imperial and the old trawlers had a lot of Whitworth/BSF and then there was BSC, then I got and as aircraft apprenticeship, mainly on Boeing aircraft. Who now used decimal inches drawings but American Std/imperial size bolts/rivets but then American gallons are different to imperial gallons and weights as well. Then we deal with UNC and UNF etc. can't say had too many torque issues. More bad design choices to save cash or provide maint opportunities I reckon. See loktite on just about everything now.. but lock washers and spring washers not used as much these days

[@henrytomlinson3634]

Metric sucks also in the UK the washers for the metric bolts are crap they are to sloppy. Video was good as always 👌 all the best from Henry in the UK

[@wvrockcrusher]

I agree with the problems of metric fasteners. Seems like I have the most trouble with them coming loose more than SAE fasteners do. I remember the old Honda three wheelers where I used to have a lot of trouble with the axle housings coming loose from the frame all the time or stripping out. I believe they were a 12mm bolt with a 17mm hex size. Eventually I drilled them out and replaced them with SAE fine thread bolts and never touched them again unless the drive chain needed tightened up. Anytime I have trouble with metric fasteners I will drill and rethread them with SAE size where possible to do so. Fine thread fasteners are used in engines because they will hold more torque and stay tight. 25.4mm is equivalent to 1" SAE size.

[@gerlantzielman54]

Wesley, I've been following you since '08 and have seen all your videos. You've already told a lot of nonsense and I've laughed about it. I love it. You also have very good things sometimes. I'm learning from it too. As for the metric system. I know from experience in Canada and the States that it's your suplaiers over there who make a mess of things. I just keep watching, laughing and learning or relaxing. greetings from a Dutchie with also a direct dirty mouth. 🤪

[@rogerquenault7207]

I have only ever used metric nuts, bolts and associated spanners / sockets and have never had a problem but when working on my brothers 1960’s LandRover its a complete pain in the arse so i can imagine it being the same the other way around.

[@FollowingKeenan]

Prime example: Apple Computers are metric, PC are Standard. Conputer version of the metric vs standard argument.

[@nowhereman7398]

I have been known to drill out metric threads and tap it out standard threads. I can't always do it but if I am having issues,,, tap it out.

[@paulsmith4320]

I heard once that Henry Ford started the nut being different from the bolt size for the one set of wrenches reason. He supplied the set when you bought the unit and it cut costs.

[@rogerholloway8498]

Interesting stuff Wes. Thx!

[@redballmaintinence2044]

Really loving the metric trilogy ya got going on here 😂

[@midwayfarms]

Yep I agree with you on the stupid metric bolts

[@markwn1987]

How's your tireject working? Should do an old video of how good it works rolling down the hill.

[@alanmcclusky]

Hello Wes I was just about to tell you about the loose bolt but then you explained the reason about the bolt so best regards Alan and Ella from the UK. Ps metric sucks yeah.

[@mikenicholson2548]

Wes, I just finished working on my post hole auger. Had to put new 1/2 inch bolts with nylock nuts. Same size wrench 3/4 inch for bolt and nut. Metric does suck.

[@gunnarbeck225]

Hey Wes I got a question I guess I've never noticed but the metric do they have different colors on the different grades them like we do her in the USA?

[@ChrisSpaulding-em3qr]

Great job wes!

[@chrisedwards5701]

When I worked on M B 's I never had a problem with bolts & nuts needing different size wrenches . Been retired 20 years . something new We had a recall for burning oil the first repair was to take car on highway put in a lower gear & hold it at red line for 4 minutes . if it still used oil second fix was to replace the rings .

[@Mikes_Repair]

I always wondered why across different auto manufactures the head of the bolt or nut changes. The big three typically use 13mm, 15mm 18mm. Then Asian/Japan made cars typically use 12mm 14mm 17mm.

[@mikeboeckerman2481]

Make sure you install the correct metric battery in John Deere track, skid loader! On more serious note, hardware is one of the most overlook things we all take for granted

[@ekim72]

This is going to be the hardest election to vote on in my life. We now get to choose if it is going to be a metric tool that the government shoves up our butt or is it going to be an imperial tool that the government shoves up our butt. Whomever gets elected the people loose. In all fairness I would rather have a leader that brings the people together than a leader that tears us apart. From where I sit I do not believe either Presidential candidate is going to bring us together. Sad times. Great vid, keep 'em coming.

[@rheidtech]

Thanks for the vids OLF🎩

[@randycarpenter2914]

I agree, Wes, that it sucks. I worked on metric machines, and every mechanic carries blue loctite and red in some cases. You don't want it coming lose deep in a machine after hours fixing it. Great video

[@kain545]

Sounds dumb, but would a 16mm and 17mm bolt and nut combo be good? You only need to buy one whole set of wrenches and not have multiple of one size to do a job. Just a thought.

[@ducewags]

@kain545 Did you watch the video? NOPE. Do you work on stuff with wrenches and sockets? Also NOPE. Or you would have a slight clue about things.

[@jonathanwalker7638]

For certain parts of the world where people don't have much, its certainly a factor. Personally this is just bad from a premium 1st world company.

[@dominicengeler5747]

I owned a Krone Round Baler and noticed the same issue. They mounted some M12 Bolts with a 18mm head and M10 with 16mm (19mm and 17 mm is the norm). I do not know why they did this. On other european brands I have never noticed something like this. Besides the high maintenance costs on the krone baler, it sucked to wrench on it because of is weird bolts. Now I own John Deere Baler (built in France) and this machine is easier and cheaper in maintenance.

[@Sjanzo]

Crazy that Krone uses the ISO standard, Germans should use the German DIN standard which doesnt have that issue.

[@nobodypersonsomeone]

Inches suck. And are a pain in the ass. Hardly ever come accross non metric bolts these days but never have the right spanner to hand when I do.

[@jankas64]

why the fuss i got both in my tool box. i use what i need and get the job done without dissing either Wes and im in Sweden in(metric)eu land

[@EthanHelton-vc8pm]

I've been watching sense 2015 I'm from TN. Love your videos. Would like to have a drink sometime. I'll pay lol. And I'll take vacation time for a visit lol

[@nathansparrow1416]

the shallower head is also more annoying when they are tighter and loctited

[@jmew1922]

16 mm head is on a machine bolt ie a special bolt , normally a 10 mm thread has a 17 head and nut (17mm is nearly the same as 11/16 af ) AND 12 being 19mm 3/4

[@FarmerMD]

I agree - metric sucks! You should own a hardware store and try helping people find the right metric bolt when they lose one while assembling there furniture they ordered from Amazon. Thx for the shout out!

[@Lucky4wd4840]

They do this a lot. You only need one set of wrenches since they are different sizes!

[@katmandu8208]

👍🏻🍻

[@jankotze1959]

I must say locktite is a product that we use a lot here in South Africa to be honest, but I still struggle to understand why metric bolts snap off when you torque them. I believe you but there must be reason for that, yet to be discovered, what I can say we use always use some lube or anti seize if not locktite

[@davidrichter6210]

I agree with you. I understand the metric system. Simply. It's developed to fuck with ya or us. Also. I spent time in manufacturing Something so small as a bolt head. Can constitute a different model. They call it an improvement. The only it improves is my need fir a beer!

[@JDseller1]

Wes the exact conversion is 25.4 mm per inch. So if the bolt is 10mm, divide 10 by 25.4 = .393 thousands. As for metric hardware coming loose. It is because the thread pitch is such that they come lose easier than Standard bolts. Also for the guys talking about how much metric is over standard. There are three common metric thread pitches. So as my family and I do repairs on all type of equipment, we have to keep all three pitches. So we actually have more metric bolt hardware than standard even with fine and course thread.

[@guytech7310]

Only if Metric Standard was 25.0 mm per inch, or even 20 mm per inch. Some of the bolt sizes could have been shared. I believe the standard for Metric distance until was originally based upon the speed of like 300Km/s, but it was right since light is 299,792 km/s. so it was bogus from the start. as far as SAE, will it can be easily decimalized, and more accurant when using mils for measurements.

[@stuartsplace100]

Hi OLF,keep your awesome vids coming,from what I understand the Metric System,It “SUCKS”

[@ihguy2113]

and you think you deere 4430 behind you has no metric on it ?

[@PeterIJmker]

wij zeggen altijd, het kan mij geen moer schelen maar je kan hier lekker bouten ( metric ) We always say, I don't give a damn but you can {great shit} bolt here

[@kingzyblood]

hi, onelonelyfarmer all this just makes me think of working with my dad, because he can use about four different systems, imperial/standard, metris, witworth and AF but like yourself he grew up with them. Im not that advanced I only use metric, as for the 16mm and 18mm i have found normally that something the germans seem to throw in to mess with use.

[@AlextheDutchDairyfarmer]

👍👍

[@57fitter]

Faux pas....NEVER to be confused with the FUPA....EVER!

[@nathansparrow1416]

if they are 10.9 hardness then they have smaller head usually .and as they are harder they stretch less , so loosen more easily.

[@ericchristman4713]

Metric sucks....I worked at a Wester Star truck dealership for 10 years....why would an "American built truck use Metric fasteners? Detroit engines as well.....anyway....luv your vids...been watching since you went to Florida and got the 5020 Engine....😊

[@Fordmet]

Here are 2 reasons that i`ve heard from people Someone in a meeting somewhere decided that you need Two wrench sizes for the same size bolt/nut because then you only need one set of wrenches Machinery manufactures have figured out that if they use a 16mm head instead of 17mm head on the bolt. slightly smaller but also slightly cheaper. times that with a few million bolts. and the manufactures has a saves money nobody else does that, only agricultural machinery manufactures are so cheap that they decide to mess with a working system Everywhere else on the metic system. a m8 is 13mm. a m10 is 17mm. a m12 is 19mm.

[@bryanginder5903]

Just like the metric bolts on your moco wes they have that sprained on lock tite on them bolts also!

[@ih1206]

Hard to believe it’s been 16 years. I don’t get to watch KZbin like I used to 16 years ago. I’ve missed a lot of content the last few years.

[@michaeljones34]

Metric sucks!!! Great video as always Wes thanks for sharing

[@JerryBrentnell-x9z]

question here? if you bought your mtric bolts and nuts out of canada would you have the same problem?we have the metric systym up here too and bolts are made here

[@davidcelis9148]

This is strange Wes , normally Metric threads are the same standard keys. for example ; Thread M6 is a 10mm key ,M8 is 13mm ,M10 is 17mm , M12 is 19mm , M14is 22 mm , M16 is 24mm ......Wel that s how it is in Belgium , But if you work on a VW car then you are in for the same missery as you , Maybe the Germans

[@Sjanzo]

No, its the ISO metric system that was created when America wanted to go Metric, but not adopt the German standard. But since America didnt, Europe went back to DIN, except for automobile makers. Its disappointing that Krone uses ISO metric in their balers, they are a German company and should stick to DIN.

[@sirwallygator565]

Are you sure that is not a Krone thing to have a different size bolt head to nut size because I have had a few Komatsu pieces of construction equipment over the years and never had that. That sound like a Michigan problem I had many years ago with stupid standard nuts with not normal thread per inch... Special to Michigan only bolts and nuts sizes

[@Blasterxp]

Do you have in a set the same size twice?

[@JoshuaZiesmer]

That's a joke right? You actually think he has one set of wrenches for the entire farm and half a dozen tractors? My work bench has three 9/16 wrenches, and there's a fourth by my bandsaw, every tractor my boss owns has at least three or four 15/16 and 1-1/8 wrenches sitting in their toolbox

[@ducewags]

@Blasterxp If you don't have sets of the same size, you don't work on things.

[@Blasterxp]

@@ducewags I don't, and have only one metric set. True true

[@SlipShodBob]

Usually I find the if the nut or bolt is flanged is when it will be a 16 instead of a 17 or if it is stainless. I think a lot depends on the factory they are made in as I've had junky metric and UNF as the shear bolts for out baler I've had a junky lot that would snap after starting it up 5 or so times when there was no load thread lock helped them last longer but the next time rather they were a differently labelled and plated not plain the bolts on the hedge cutter are 1/2" UNF with a bushing they torque to 150ft/lbs the genuine ones no issue ones from a Sparex like company stripped the threads at 60ft/lb I got them because I didn't want to 10 times what they cost in delivery to be special ordered rather or wait the month and a bit for the dealers monthly order but they were utterly useless

[@dave2138]

Metric Sucks! 😂 great video friend! We just need to figure out how to starve the idiots out for a while.

[@gerardbonus5354]

I've been assuming you've been mismatching, or mix n matching ~ Have you actually spoken to Krone about the bolts [n nuts] ~ ??? Does the manual alert you to different applications of these [seemingly mismatched] fitments? Watching other KZbin Farmers, the top and bottom are often different ... Interesting.

[@daledurbin2354]

Did you see Zacks new give me bolt cabinet!

[@jeremyhanna7000]

You are not crazy. I'm used to the metric system, but it has way too many size combinations.

[@TimR1335]

You are right on Wes. The metric sucks.

[@darrinsawyer9915]

I found that every manufacturer uses there own metric bolt so you have to buy the bolt or nut from them.

[@JoshuaZiesmer]

You think that's bad? If you go to a hardware store or harbor freight and get one of those hardware assortment kits with #8 through 3/8" hardware, all the one's I've gotten, imperial threads, metric heads, the 1/4-20 bolts have 10mm heads, and the socket head kits, the 5/16 screws take a 6mm Allen, and the set screw sets, the setscrews smaller than 1/4" are fractional like 3/16" which are a British thing, instead of the gage sizes we use here, making the sets mostly worthless.

[@MichaelPMc]

Metric sucks, Being in Canada I suffer metric daily. My biggest beef is back in the 70's the Japanese cars used metric and they were a standard, you could remove engine, transmission, rear end with only 3 size wrenches where as a Ford needed 3 wrenches and 2 screwdrivers to remove the starter. Trouble is the government said we must go metric and all standards and logic went out the window. We used to have cc's and Cubic inches, the idiots went to Liters. The first time I went to give my sheep needles after the implication of metric here in Canada the doses said to give so many milliliters, all my needles were in cc's and then there was no internet so that required a call to the vet. Really was a stupid change that only confused a lot of us.

[@andrewdougal2262]

Hi Wesley when are you going to get that old John Deere going would to see and hear going ?🚜👍

[@ericrisch9616]

It already was running. It was on lord mucks channel

[@ryangrinstead7881]

Metric does suck. But in usa have a wrench on one side and a sock on the other side

[@jerrykelly7052]

you right

[@collinb1157]

But you only need one wrench set now 😂

[@mikeysgarage3697]

Metric sucks? Well in my experience, metric nuts and bolt heads used to be simple, 10, 13, 15, 17, 19, 21, until I started working on 90's Japanese and other Asian cars, then 12, 14, 16, 18, 20, 22 started showing up, doubling the number of sockets and wrenches I needed. Then they threw in allen/hex heads, then Torx head screws and the odd bolt, and then reverse-torx bolt-heads, oh yay, more sockets needed. And now there's more weird shit out there designed to fumble the home mechanic. So I generally blame the far east for fucking the metric system up. Really can't say I've ever had anything notably or repeatedly at least work loose on me though, or snap while torquing up, apart from used stretch bolts. No stranger to nuts and bolts seizing up though, that's for damned sure!

[@jazko]

There is a post from a guy called @jazko at the millennial farmer channel, that stirred the pot with standard vs metric 😁😁

[@davidwatt7663]

I would say this is 2/10ths you fault 😅😅 Wes👍🇬🇧🇺🇸

[@danw6014]

You forgot to reduce your fraction. 😂😂 Nice Plymouth.

[@kevinhickson1481]

Metric is great 😂

[@normanb5438]

{Metric Sucks} yes Wes its a pain in the arse and I am from the UK I am with you standard we unite😱

[@PaulLooney-dw5ze]

I’m the one that doesn’t know the metric system just give me the imperial system. ❤

[@GerbertGerbert]

Being from europe I can tell you we hate those 16 mm heads as much as you do. Not all manufacturers use the small headed bolts and if you buy standard sizes in larger quantities they are regular 17 mm heads. The argument that you will only need one set of spanners is a false argument in my eyes because if you are wrenching for any small amount of time you will have more then one 17 mm spanner. And there are also 16 mm m10 muts... Nylock you can get in both 16 mm and 17 mm. Not staying tight isn't a fault of the metric system but a fault of the manufacturer, there are finer threadsizes for the same size bolt. Normal m10 is 1.50 thread but you can also get 1.25 and 1.00. Fully agree with it just being a thing of the part of the world you are in. I have a handfull of sae size wrenches that I never use, simply because everything is metric here regarding bolts and nuts. Still plenty of things measured in inch sizes like hydraulic hoses, pipes and rims,

[@Mikes_Repair]

Wait until you start getting into torque to yield bolts

[@onelonleyfarmer]

they are not bad at all. you see they know the fuckers snap if you go to torque limit. so they give you the allusion that your going over torque but in reality its below the limit.

[@routeoneauto]

.0394 inch is the difference between 16mm and 17mm. There is .00625 difference from 5/8 inch to 11/16 inch. I sometimes find that even, On the metrics an SAE will fit better. Poor machining, wear or rust. I dunno?

[@Sjanzo]

Wes, you guys dont have prevailing torque nuts, with nylon insert ? Or Nord-Lock washers ? Loc-tite is for hacks. Oh, and i said it before: youre mixing ISO metric and DIN metric. Americans created a problem that Europe doesnt have by creating an ISO standard instead of adopting the German DIN standard used in Europe.

[@margy8167]

Believe everyone uses the same knotting system - yours looks the same as a JD14T that was manufactured in late 1950s. Anyone know the history?

[@youngdude7500]

Keep on believeing, mate. The high spec double knotters on this baler are like your smartphone versus a PC in 1985.

[@mr740]

i can tell the difference between a 15 and a 17. But knowing this is a thing in recent years, I bring a 15 and a 16, ot a 17 and a 18. from the same set. dont need two sets of wrenches.

[@monteur85480]

whe do fuck around with the head sizes m10 was always 17 mm wrench (nut and bolt) but flange bolts can be 15 mm flange nuts can be 16 , and what you got there is just a manufacturer ffing around

[@thisismyalt9010]

The heads are of diffident sizes on metric bolts because they were manufactured to diffident standards. DINS is the euro standard. JIS is the Japanese standard. Just google dins vs jis bolt chart.

[@georgewest4643]

I don’t want to say this but Teflon nuts different size to normal nut😩

[@billyh9239]

Metric sucks and Kamala Harris does two

[@Rcod2013]

Come on wes thats a nyloc nut(you can see the blue nylon in it) All nyloc nuts are one mm bigger than the head of the bolt.

[@Ghis1964s]

You'll get the same weird result with a 7/16" bolt. Try it, and tell me what you think ;)

[@danw6014]

They'll overhaul top fuel engines in between runs. Once that light turns green, its 10,000 rpms. A vote for Kamila is a vote to be capital gains taxed right off your farm. Metric sucks hugely.

[@bradley-eblesisor]

You are a bit crazy, but you definitely know your stuff! Ps Metric Sucks!!!

[@ihguy2113]

no differance than a 7/16 bolt blot is 5/8s nut is 11/16s

[@angusduncan1088]

Standard sucks from over the pond😂

[@bufferbridge]

I can tell the difference between a 16mm head and a 17mm head ( I ain't full of shit either), just get yourself a stock of metric 8.8 bolts in m8,m10 & m12. you will find a few European manufactures do this shit with a 1mm smaller head, Kuhn are one of the worst offenders,using a 16mm head on an m10 & a 18mm on a m12, standard for m8 is a 13mm head, m10 is a 17mm (11/16 will work fine) and a m12 is a 19mm (3/4 will work fine), half inch spanner will usuall y work on a 13mm if the spanner has had some work. great system that you better get use to, 99% of the world use it, is it any wonder US manufacturing is getting left behind?

[@FILIPFROMSALMO]

Dear Wes, I like you more when you rant, we all should be ranting to high hell. The world is going rotten . So I won't touch a knotter. I would love you to explain an old NH knotter and take it apart in detail. I have an NH 69 baler that is just a little older than me that is not making bales F&&&!!

[@genechronister7085]

Another great vid! Metric sucks! Lol

[@tubeDude48]

I'm an Electrical Engineer, but I know what your saying. Metric is B.S.

[@wolley2012]

Screw the metric system. The biggest bs thing about metric hardware is its always way higher in price.

[@danielking8169]

Metric does suck

[@paul8188]

Sorry 25.4 mm is inch happy days Wes

[@BrianSchroeder-pr9pt]

The Armchair mechanics just don't get that you are trying to educate others about the problems you run into on a daily basis Keep posting, I enjoy the content and have so since you started TRUMP 2024

[@derrickpettit86]

METRIC SYSTEM SUCKS KANGAROO DONG , FOR ALL THE METRIC LOVERS 😂😂😂😂

[@bummer1961]

Metric Su?:s