I Do NOT Trust That Doll! - Team StarKid's Black Friday First Time Watching Reaction!

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[@VeggieGamer]

Hi guys! Just want to acknowledge straight away that I keep looking off to the side at the very beginning of the Reaction! So sorry about that, it isn't long and I apologise afterwards. I don't miss anything, but I really shouldn't be doing that, and I promise I won't do this next time! My bad!

[@WizzyMcWizzyton]

It’s okay, @VeggieGamer! Great reaction as usual!

[@twist_ending7545]

Will you be doing reactions to Nightmare Time too?

[@Theo-gu2tk]

The audience was so excited to see Dylan because this was the first Starkid show he'd performed in in six years. Black Friday came out in 2019, and the previous show he did was Twisted, in 2013. So they were understandably stoked to see him back again xD

[@elsx20]

To answer some of your questions in the video… The new actors you haven’t seen yet are: Kim Whalen (Becky barns), Angela Giovann Giarratana (Lex), Kendal Nicole (Hannah- she is 14 in this show), Curt Mega (he plays a character later). You have seen James Tolbert in VHS Christmas carol (he plays the ghost of Christmas present and sang Christmas electricity). Jane (Tims mum who was mentioned as dead) was Emma’s sister who dies, she was the reason Emma came back to Hatchetfield before The Guy Who Didn’t Like Musicals. Emma does mention her when she talks to Paul about it. I’d say it’s up to you whether you watch nightmare time. It isn’t essential to the storyline to watch it and it is very long however is does introduce you to a lot of characters and some extra Hatchefield lore. I hope this helps clear up a few things :)

[@koalarm]

You're right about alternate universes. Tom's wife Jane was mentioned in Guy when Paul and Emma had their quiet sitdown. You haven't seen Lex, Hannah, Shopper with hat and Becky Barnes before.

[@nicolaashamman6201]

I don't want to spoil it, so I'll say the person doing the voice of Wiggly is both really surprising and somehow fitting. I didn't notice who it was when I first watched it.

[@hayamihinata4135]

Yeah knowing who does voice Wiggly just makes anytime he is one screen so much more fun 💚

[@somedudewatchintv5297]

I didn't know until I watched NPMD

[@nuffyj8614]

I love Linda and Gerald so much. One of the Nightmare Time episodes is about Linda, and it might be my favorite episode. Your anxiety about the queue was so real. I remember when I lived in London for a bit, and they are definitely better at queuing than Americans… Black Friday is the day after Thanksgiving. Back in the day, it used to be VERY serious - people queuing for ages, and there used to legitimately be a death count - because the sales were actually that good back then. Now the sales have spread out and gotten almost meaningless. (Some stores even mark up prices leading up to Thanksgiving, so when they “drop them” they’re just regular price.)

[@alexandraparrow9863]

I'm sure this will be said lots but Jane (Tom's wife who died in a car accident) was mentioned in the previous musical - it's Emma's sister that died and she said she came back to Hatchetfield when she found out. Mariah was actually supposed to play Lex but she got cast in Mean Girls on Broadway and they recast her with Angela! And Kendall, who plays Hannah and Tim, is brand new as well! She was still in high school during this production and is the youngest member of Starkid. Curt Mega and Kim Whalen are new to you as well, Curt was the guy in line who attacked Frank for the Wiggly first and Kim is Becky Barnes. Curt started working with Starkid a while ago after he met Darren on Glee while Darren was writing the songs for Starship and Kim is his wife! Without spoilers, all the Hatchetfield things are interconnected in some way but the Lang brothers created stories for a TON of characters, even seemingly minor characters, in the town so there might be mentions of stuff from other shows. They actually wrote Nerdy Prudes Must Die before the other two so I think they kinda wrote everything all together. I hope you enjoy this show, I know it's a favourite for a lot of people! And just remember to be kind to yourself that any comments about you maybe missing stuff because a lot of us have seen these shows a lot so we know all the ins and outs of it while this is your first time! I think people just get so excited to show you their favourite parts that they forget you don't know what's coming! I watch starkid shows all the time and I'm still catching stuff for the first time after 13 years! Sorry for the apparent novel I decided to write here, I loved your reaction and I'm excited for the rest of the show!

[@fightingfaerie]

Good explanation. Veggie needs to read this comment.

[@SamVargo]

A Veggie Starkid vid always makes my day 1000x better

[@abbemai]

theres a few new actors in this one, angela as lex, kendall as hannah, curt as a bunch of bg characters (but one bigger one you'll see later) and kim as becky. mariah wasnt in this one, but she was supposed to play lex

[@fightingfaerie]

Curt’s first Starkid production. But he’s been a friend of the group for years. He’s part of the sister group to Starkid, Tin Can Brothers. They have their own plays and shows. He stars in Spys Are Forever.

[@fizzycolalizzie]

james tolbert (the guy who took linda’s bribe) did the choreography too, he’s brilliant. fun fact he also did the choreography for a very potter sequel!! he’s been with starkid for a long time but black friday was his first on stage appearance

[@KiyotheConquerer]

In terms of the timing of the setting of the musical, Black Friday is the day after American Thanksgiving, which is always on the fourth Thursday in November. The Christmas Season is considered to “officially” start on the day after Thanksgiving, ‘Black Friday’, in which people start focusing on Christmas shopping (complete with crazy sales). Interestingly enough, Frank was correct about the meaning of the name “Black Friday”: It’s one of the most profitable days of the year for many retailers. But anyways, that’s why you’ll see so much Christmas imagery in the show. Hope that helps answer some of your questions!

[@targor9649]

Watching only the three musicals will seem like three different fun storylines with some recurring characters, and watching them including Nightmare Time makes them a real connected thing with lore and overarching plots. Personally, I will watch all your Hatchetfield reactions no matter how you decide. It's not an easy decision to be sure, because while the full story and lore gives so much to the musicals, Nightmare Time is also super, super long.

[@laurencole2937]

Second comment for the algo: In America, Black Friday is the day after Thanksgiving. Recently, there's been a lot of backlash, because it used to be basically a one day sale, then it grew to the whole weekend, and now a lot of places start it on Thanksgiving day itself. Still, it's a good day to buy big ticket items like furniture if you're trying to save money. Also this is in part based on a real life event when people went absolutely feral on Black Friday for Tickle-me-Elmo. No one died, but people did get hurt. Also also, you are kind of right about things not being cheaper, lol. Some things are, but other things the stores either raise prices before BF so they can slash them for the sale (back to the original price). Other times they just change the labels so it LOOKS like they changed the price. Sometimes it is a genuine sale though, you just have to pay attention

[@yassbitch302]

During a live stream for this musical they said Corey was going the get a solo because the fans were sad he was the only one who didn't get a solo moment in the guy who didn't like musicals. I really love they did that his song I so good!!

[@charcharcharlieee]

I love your reactions! There are several actors you hadn't met yet in this one, Curt Mega(He was the one who first stole Wiggly), Kim Whalen(Becky Barnes), Angela Giarratana(Lex), and Kendall Nicole (Hannah/Tim)

[@meba444]

VeggieGamer: I think it’s the same cast! The screen: literally like 4 people he’s never seen before, and also more people on-stage than there was in the entire show of TGWDLM 😂 (Said with love 😂🥰)

[@Eh_Jay]

Normally I wait for all the parts to be up so I can watch it all the way through with you...but I was just thinking I needed some Black Friday! I recommend Nightmare Time before Nerdy Prudes. You get a lot of lore out of the Nightmare Time series! And it was *technically* released to the StarKid Fandom first because of the pandemic...

[@Fluffyfoodog]

I reckon it'll also fit this type of format really well, as most of the nightmare time videos are actually 2 20 minute episodes, so very easy to cut in half

[@katie870]

Yay! So glad you're reacting to Black Friday. I think this is the best musical in the Hatchetfield series. Best characters, storyline and songs. I remember when I first watched it I was in tears in the first 10 mins because of the 'What Tim Wants' song. Dylan Saunders is so good at conveying emotion in his singing and this song is perfect for him. I first watched this about a week into the first lockdown so I think I was overly emotional anyway but the song still gets me now. Looking forward to the next part

[@LuckyStar1Fan]

Angela debut on this channel!! (I think lol)

[@masterswordwielder]

I actually exclaimed when she popped up, realising that he's getting to know her now

[@matthewhearn9910]

Low key one of the best ACTORS in all of Starkid. Her voice has also improved a lot since this show (which, to be fair, she and most of the cast were sick during the recording).

[@laurencole2937]

You are correct that this is an AU. All three of the main musicals are AUs from each other, as are most of the seasons of Nightmare Time.

[@kinoate]

Nightmare Time Season Two all takes place in the same timeline

[@laurencole2937]

@@kinoate but not in the same timeline as NT 1 or the other shows I think. That's what I meant.

[@kinoate]

@@laurencole2937 yea they def don't take place in the same timeline

[@ThatRandomJ]

To explain holidays in the U.S. Thanksgiving is the last Thursday of November. Black Friday is that Friday. Many people use Black Friday sales to buy all their Christmas gifts.

[@VeracityLH]

Small correction: US Thanksgiving is the 4th Thursday in November, not the last. I always remember this because my dad was born on the 29th and it happened to be Thanksgiving, but it was the last year before they changed it so his birthday never fell on Thanksgiving again.

[@0P3N54D0R]

So.. The order is The Guy Who Didn't Like Musicals, Black Friday, Nightmere Time 1, Nightmere Time 2, Nerdy Prudes Must Die. You could watch NPMD first and it would work just as well, but that is the order of release.

[@KatieWillems]

Yay :D Black Friday is maybe my favourite, other than VHSCCs (which I'm still hoping will come to KZbin this year). BF has some great dramatic/emotional songs, choreography, lighting. This is indeed your first time seeing Angela Giarratana (Lex), Kim Whalen (Becky), Curt Mega (just ensemble at this point in the show), and Kendall Nicole (Hannah) (who I think was only 13/14 during this). Kim and Curt are also one of StarKid's irl married couples. And you're right Dylan wasn't in TGWDLM. Black Friday (2019) was his first StarKid show since Twisted (2013), which is kinda crazy to realise. As for whether Nightmare Time 1&2 should be watched before Nerdy Prudes Must Die...those series did come out before NPMD, and are worth watching, and I think you'd definitely enjoy seeing more of these existing _and_ new characters, and the expansion of the Hatchetfield lore...and there's definitely a moment in NPMD that won't hit _as_ hard without having been acquainted to some key players/lore. *However,* Nightmare Time 1&2 in total is about 13 HOURS long, so would take a long long time to get through, so _might_ be better saved for watching after everything else, if people don't want to be left waiting on seeing you react to the stage shows. (Not sure what people would prefer; might be worth a poll.)

[@kevintaylor8748]

VHS Christmas carol is on KZbin. kzbin.info/www/bejne/n5amXoSre7B5jMUsi=x0P538riPxyPfcID

[@twist_ending7545]

Hannah said "bad blood, cross, black and white". Keep those in mind.

[@xpoeticdreamz]

James is also their choreographer and has been behind the scenes for a bit. Also Kim and Curt are married IRL. Curt first started off in an amazing show by Tim Can Bros (a shoot off of Starkid ran by Joey Brian and Corey) called Spies are Forever, this was his first project with Starkid and he has been part of it since. Mariah was suppose to play Lex but she got the part of Regina in the Mean Girls on Broadway traveling show! So that’s how Angela (who’s from Smosh) got into the show. Also I highly recommend Tin Can Bros!!

[@nuffyj8614]

I love seeing the things you deem worthy of note. Yay more Starkid!!

[@gracetube9662]

Couple of fun facts for you! The actor who plays Hannah and Tim was 13 while putting on this production and the youngest starkid performer ever! Also, Jon Matteson (Paul) does that creepy voice of the wiggly doll, and he did it live every night! As for watching order, I watched nerdy prudes before nightmare time and I would highly recommend doing it the other way around. It truly gives more context for the musical.

[@beffymcbefferson74]

The way I gasped when I saw this was posted. I’m so excited!!

[@philippschafer1762]

In Nightmare Time there is alot of context for this Universe and Nerdy Prudes (the third musical). So I would recommend to watch it before Nerdy Prudes. The context is really helpful there. But there are alot of episodes of Nightmare Time. They are worth it but if that is too much for you Nerdy Prudes is designed to still work without it. You just might not get every single detail. In my opinion Nerdy Prudes must die is the best SK musical. The music and also the story and the humor are so good.

[@RandomJot]

I would recommend watching Nightmare Time *before* watching Nerdy Prudes - while Nerdy Prudes does work if you jump straight into it, Nightmare Time provides a LOT of lore about what's actually going on in Hatchetfield, expands on characters we already know, like Frank and Ted, as well as introducing some incredible new characters - imo it's well worth going into NPMD with that knowledge because it really makes certain beats hit harder

[@TheLoonyLovebad1]

That is in fact why it's called Black Friday. Ledger books used to use red for debt and black for gained money. The day after Thanksgiving is when most people start Christmas shopping so most businesses go into the black, hence Black Friday. Also, Mariah Rose Faith (Zoe/Alice in TGWDLM) was supposed to play Lex, but she got the role of Regina George in the tour of Mean Girls so they recast her with Angela

[@OpalHearst]

This was so much fun! I had just started rewatching all the Starkid musicals (it's been a few years since I've seen them) when I found your channel, and I've enjoyed so much watching them along with you. This is the first one I am watching as you upload and I just wanted to say it's so nice to see these again "with" someone, especially someone who hasn't seen it before. And I very much enjoy your reactions.

[@turnipcrazy]

I love Dylan in this musical so much. I remember how much of a big deal it was to have him the musical because he hadn't been in one since Twisted. I love how he sings emotional songs!

[@allisonbergh4429]

lol, her brother-in-law IS a bit of a Scrooge! He’s a LOT of a Scrooge in the VHS Christmas Carol

[@robo1513]

it's funny how you mentioned persona 4 because I've been replaying it and I got Dojima mixed up with Tom for a sec when I started his social link lol

[@palla3athene]

YESS YESS UESS OMG I WAS WAITING FOREVER FOR THIS!! Sending love from New York!!!

[@1LilSpark]

I’d say you’d be good going either way… I’d personally do nerdy prudes first only because that’s currently my favorite Starkid production thus far

[@cubescop]

I think Cinderella's Castle is coming out early next year (most likely february-march if nerdy prudes is any indicator) and im so excited omg I got the digital ticket its SO GOOD ASDGSJVHJSDHVSJHS NC :DDDD

[@meba444]

36:26 I’ll never get over Curt singing “she’s not as hot as she used to be” about his own wife 😂

[@redacted6339]

Oh this is gonna be good ^^

[@Bidnikovka]

Hello! :) So, whare is part two? I'm excited! :)

[@josephguillerey4391]

Watching that back when we know more of those characters after nightmare time adds a lot of fun ^^

[@jacobmorejead8122]

Forgot you get hit by what do you say, our doors are open, and feast or famine all in a row. Absolute bangers

[@MrSmile078]

A lot of fans like Nerdy Prudes Must Die better but Black Friday is my personal favorite just because the general tone and story, also Dylan is probably one of my favorite actors.

[@AracneMusic]

Oh! I've never noticed that Robert's random person in the queue (queuer? Does that word exist?) cut in line after the songs 😂😂😂

[@XenaNemyt]

So excited for the rest!!! This one has some really amazing songs💚💚💚🥰

[@veronikahrovat4136]

Hi veggie, absolutely love your content as always. Please do Spies are forever next. I think you would really enjoy it!

[@Marina-cq2yt]

Feast or famine is MAAAJOR!

[@cubescop]

Also idk if you know about Smosh (yt comedy channel) but the actress for lex is my favorite cast member on there she's very chaotic lol

[@catkittycatc4t]

can't wait for npmd!! :D

[@TheWalrusWasPaul23]

Really hoping you‘ll do Trail to Oregon next. So much prime Jeff Blim content

[@g1ngerph0bia]

Nightmare Time is kinda optional, it was during covid so it was their temporary virtual content, it might not be the best for reacting tbh but i’d still recommend checking it out! but there’s nothing that happens in it you like NEED to know for Nerdy Prudes

[@elsx20]

@@g1ngerph0bia I agree however you do get a good intro to the lords in black in nightmare time, it may be good for context

[@kinoate]

Heavily disagree, Nightmare Time is essential. Adds so much to NPMD and to overall Hatchetfield lore.

[@g1ngerph0bia]

@@kinoate i mean it adds to the lore yes but it’s nothing you rlly need to know for npmd. i’d still recommend he watch it if he wants but he won’t rlly be confused during npmd without it, the musicals are designed so they can still be stand-alones

[@david-jonballinger6638]

The second season especially is very high quality. Costumes, lighting, music videos 😊

[@YouLookSoGoodInGreen]

Nightmare Time is as essential to npmd as tgwdlm is essential to black friday. You could definitely watch black friday without watching tgwdlm. You wouldn't know some of the characters or the references to tgwdlm but the overall story would be fine. Yet people treat it as essential to see before black friday. So why don't we treat nightmare time the same??? Imo it is the best thing to come out of the Hatchetfield series.

[@torijeri]

i think you should definitely do nightmare time 100% it really makes nerdy prudes must die hit harder when you watch it after

[@GuriStargin]

Please do not skip Nightmare time, I think the reason some people are telling you to skip it it's cause it's a series and not a play, but it's the introduction of the main characters of Nerdy Prudes, along with the main villains in hatchetfield overal, and gives so much context of hatchetfield overall

[@kinoate]

NPMD also references Nightmare Time a loooot. They're great stories and very much worth reacting to before NPMD.

[@kinoate]

Saw a comment about skipping Nightmare Time so I thought I'd heavily recommend watching all of Nightmare Time before you watch Nerdy Prudes Must Die. There's loooots of nods to Nightmare Time in NPMD that add to your enjoyment and understanding of a few things. They're also all mostly well-acted and fun stories that add a lot of lore to Hatchetfield. They aren't musicals/stage plays but they do have songs that feature in the stories sometimes and also unique ending or opening songs to some of the stories. Plus seeing your reactions to it would be fun.

[@allisonbergh4429]

The captions are usually so good, but getting “addition by subtraction” wrong in Califor-MIA is disappointing

[@VeracityLH]

If memory serves, Joe Walker used to do the captions and there were many jokes included. I understand why he left, but he is dearly missed.

[@allisonbergh4429]

@@VeracityLH I enjoy the jokes, and really appreciate the help with overlapping lyrics especially, but I think this one might just be wrong 😅 Which is a pity cos it’s a very clever line 🥰

[@krissmith800]

Sooo excited for this as always. Others may have said already, but a couple things. In terms of order, you can watch Nerdy Prudes next if you wish because it is the next full show in the trilogy. The reason Nightmare Time and Nightmare Time 2 is suggested is because you get more lore and characters and stuff that is brought back in Nerdy Prudes. Thus, the payoff is better since you get the jokes and references by watching the Nightmare Time stories. It's up to you though. Also, the cast is not 100 percent during this show. Sickness was running rampant at this time and they tried to keep going which shows their professionalism. I do think it was so bad though that they had to postpone one of the shows for the cast's health. This was also right before COVID so . . . Lastly, there are some new faces that were not in TGWDLM. Mariah was doing Mean Girls at the time which is why Angela is playing Lex. There is also Curt Mega and his wife Kim (the guy who started the riot and Becky Barnes), James (the guy who let Linda cut and has been the choreographer but first time on stage), and Kendall who plays Tim and Hannah. She was only about 13 when she did the show. Also, also, I won't say too much to spoil anything, but you may just be on to something with the timelines comment. 😉 The Hatchetfield Universe is complex and not everything is exactly linear. Hope that helps a little.

[@alexaviertaiga3686]

I do like a lot of the songs in Black Friday, but I’m not a big fan of the hatchet field trilogy in general. Still interested to see your opinions :)

[@Professor-Ramses]

I would highly suggest watching both seasons of Nightmare Time before NPMD, as the latter pays off a lot of things set up in Nightmare Time. That and the presence of a certain group of characters central to the climax of NPMD and the lore behind them are only properly established in Nightmare Time.

[@kinoate]

Genuinely don't understand why other Starkid fans constantly suggest skipping Nightmare Time. It's so fantastic and adds so much to NPMD.

[@VeracityLH]

Because it's 13 hours, aren't stage shows, and will will take months to gets through. And while it's not absolutely essential to see before NPMD, I think skipping it would cause great confusion considering that it introduces key villain characters of NPMD. Surely new watchers would be confused, never having heard them even mentioned before. I admire the creativity of NT and the dedication of the cast and crew. It was a terrific idea for continuing to create content during the pandemic, and yet not putting out filler just to put something out there.

[@Btm10000]

Please do not skip Nightmare Time! Watching Nerdy Prudes Must Die is such a better experience when you have all the lore and the attachment to the characters that the Nightmare Time series provides!

[@FreakDaMIghet]

Nightmare Time is definitely next. It flashes out concepts I produced in this one and introduces several characters that appear in Nerdy Prudes.

[@david-jonballinger6638]

Your produced concepts in Black Friday lol 😂?

[@kilian-one-l]

I think you may have some face blindness - Kurt Mega looks nothing like Jon

[@stardustgecko]

please don't skip nightmare time