My new C63 Coupe!! kzbin.info/www/bejne/mJylo6qYYplspMU
@akaydogan Жыл бұрын
Alex’s in-depth knowledge of MB power plants is amazing. His work ethic and sheer enthusiasm for anything automotive are equally impressive. Good luck finishing the build!
@chrismason6857 Жыл бұрын
Why is one of those oil pans coated (black) and the others just bare metal (grey)?
@Henocied Жыл бұрын
@@chrismason6857 i have the same doubt
@akaydogan Жыл бұрын
@@chrismason6857 I think you want to ask this question of Alex and not me. Typically, aluminum oil pans have a baked on black finish on the inside, but I thought MB oil pans were steel with powder coating.
@control0073 Жыл бұрын
With enough time, this channel will be Legit Street Engines
@Rs500ybd Жыл бұрын
Hey Don't Give him more ideas 😁
@robertwest3093 Жыл бұрын
HA!
@joshthomas521 Жыл бұрын
Good
@shoestatus Жыл бұрын
Im waiting for legit K swap channel.
@LEOhopeful Жыл бұрын
Better start buying more merch!!! These AMG engines don't grow on trees!
@windronner1 Жыл бұрын
Single-handedly, one of the most well produced video of a high-tech engine, build on KZbin! I’m almost scared to ask what the combined man hours are between you and rusty. And what kind of money you have in parts! Incredible job!👍
@skeetamacgyver1821 Жыл бұрын
If you want to see really detailed videos on these engines go to the channel of Tasos Moschatos- he is a master engine builder.
@WhitexFeatherx Жыл бұрын
@@skeetamacgyver1821 I second this.
@chrismason6857 Жыл бұрын
Why is one of those oil pans coated (black) and the others just bare metal (grey)?
@ModernMastersAuto Жыл бұрын
Another Great time with Alex! Thank you so much for allowing us to be apart of this giveaway! We are excited for the winner of this Amazing C63! Hand-built by the best guys I know! Thanks for all the support from the Legitstreetcars community! We appreciate everything! -Craig
@LegitStreetCars Жыл бұрын
You guys rock! Thanks for being awesome and can't wait for our next project!
@lowelllomibao1443 Жыл бұрын
Alex, keep up the great work. I ran across your channel about 2 yrs ago at my deployed location. You and a couple other KZbinrs inspired me to get wrenching again. I’m a 21 year soon to be retired USAF vet taking care of my mom who has stage 4 cancer. I’ve got some projects myself and very enjoyable and time consuming. Just wanted to say you’re a straight forward guy. Great content!
@LegitStreetCars Жыл бұрын
Do you think I'll make it home?
@shan6021 Жыл бұрын
Yes because you are the best!
@scottrussell3862 Жыл бұрын
You got this Alex the amount of certain no hopers you have have got back to chicago this one won't defeat you...... Time to watch and find out! Big love from the U.K.
@buick3.8grandnational99 Жыл бұрын
It's a Mercedes sure with a capital S
@Danny-yh3xb Жыл бұрын
Offcoarse, it’s a mercedes👍🏻 can you explain why mercedes v8’s sound different than any v8?
@krisi.2011 Жыл бұрын
Yes forsure
@mfundenimthembu651 Жыл бұрын
I must say, it's quite unsettling that there's so many internal parts on this engine that are sensitive and break easily or wear out easily. This is a Mercedes Benz, you're not supposed to have so much easily broken internal parts. That being said, I just love your attention to the smallest detail... You're a mechanic, one can trust with one's life!
@lakeminnetonkaoutdoors7532 Жыл бұрын
most do not break. it al comes down to the user and how he takes care of engine, remember he is buying used engines? There's a reason they are for sale and he needs them to have issues or he wouldn't have content. I have 3- M156 and they are truly remarkable
@jfv65 Жыл бұрын
Mercedes-Benz is nowhere near what it used to be. Their reputation was made based on the w118, w123, w126, w124, w140, etc. From about the year 1999 onwards the corporate pennypinchers caused a steady decline in quality. Same for bmw. Same for volvo and jaguar. From then on the quality King was Lexus.
@agen1man Жыл бұрын
Producing and selling new stuff is what keeps your revenues up, not the upkeep of old products.
@SprayIgniteBoom Жыл бұрын
ummm….modern engines making more than 500hp their factories are ALL complicated. If you have never owned one, driven it at speed…umm, nuff said? BTW…CTS-V motors, Vette motors, Hell Cat motors….ummm don’t even think Honda, Acura or Lexus offer these ho numbers from their engines which are also complicated….
@Andrew4181975 Жыл бұрын
I agree, who the f#@k thought it was a good idea to have plastic internal engine parts, and I've never accepted that belief that timing chains stretch. I call BS on that one, a timing belt ok, but not a damn metal chain.
@LegitStreetCars Жыл бұрын
What's your favorite AMG Car?
@bogdanboner1280 Жыл бұрын
Cls63 amg 2016 year
@HarryHasAbigWilly Жыл бұрын
c63 amg small and powerful
@anthonysloanmusic Жыл бұрын
This one! Good meeting you today! And good luck for the journey home.
@AgustinAramadhiAlbania Жыл бұрын
E class 2004-2006 AMG
@edwardprokopchuk3264 Жыл бұрын
2006 S65 AMG
@leoszwiec3006 Жыл бұрын
unbelievable, you and the people working with you do go the extra mile. thank you.
@thejamiestarbuck Жыл бұрын
Absolutely love the detail! This is what most other channels miss. Engine builds are by far the most interesting car stuff I love to watch!
@SpencyP92 Жыл бұрын
I've been a tech for a long time and I guess lots of us are just used to combustion engines, and because we understand how they function it seems like they are simple, but when you really take them apart you see how incredibly complex and detailed they are and how amazing of a feat of engineering they are. I've never taken apart a cam phaser even though I've changed dozens. Just the machining of it is such an intricate masterpiece.. and while we know it's all done by programmed machines at this point, the first one ever done was done by a person by hand or with multiple trial and error runs. Truly unbelievable and it's why I'll NEVER get rid of my cars when the electric world has taken over.
@glennrussell3252 Жыл бұрын
Alex is at his best, and so is his content, when working on a Mercedes. Things get even better when it’s an AMG model!
@mavricxx Жыл бұрын
Dude, this engine is looking wicked! Glad a real expert like yourself is doing it justice but PLEASE get some sleep man. Sleep is crazy important, especially before you head back, take care bud!
@miscbits6399 Жыл бұрын
Seconded. The last thing anyone wants is you driving off the road due to fatigue.
@justinnatasmai4503 Жыл бұрын
God bless you for being the person that loves their job, which is working on pain in the ass engines. It's also weird not having Peter around and making you taste try things.
@LegitStreetCars Жыл бұрын
I miss Peter too. He'll be back next week!
@dannysublett1014 Жыл бұрын
Thanks again Alex for another great video. You make this stuff look so easy. You also inspire confidence that I could do it myself.
@kayers4192 Жыл бұрын
I've been waiting quite a while to see new updates on this one I absolutely love it. And I have faith that you will make it home within no problems
@sirremusrobinson1070 Жыл бұрын
Oh man this is the car I've been waiting for..lol. I really love this car and I'm really interested in it coming back to life!
@karlj1717 Жыл бұрын
Love your never give up attitude definitely the best car channel on KZbin just keep doing what you’re doing.
@gnarlytothemax Жыл бұрын
Legendary DIY guy - most dealerships couldn't pull off what you're doing.
@JohnCap523 Жыл бұрын
Alex isn’t a DIY guy
@trentryan27 Жыл бұрын
Dealerships don't want to do it, they rather sell you a new car
@JohnCap523 Жыл бұрын
@@trentryan27 Huh?
@rawalqayyum5128 Жыл бұрын
Hard to call Alex a DIY guy, dude went to technical schooling for this, has a decade of Mercedes A tech dealership experience and was still working on municipal fleet stuff before KZbin.
@Mr.Saltwater Жыл бұрын
Dealerships can do this. Trust me
@keithlempka2593 Жыл бұрын
I am glad to see you're finally getting closer to getting this done. I can't wait for you to drive this monster home. Looking forward to seeing how that trip goes
@ChicagoMascot Жыл бұрын
I've been waiting soooooo long for this video. I am on pins and needles to see how this build ends and who the lucky winner would be. Great job guys. This is my favorite channel by far.
@MarkR.BoosSr Жыл бұрын
My sons c300 was totaled in a blizzard thankfully he ended up ok! This is his dream car which he is working his ass off to attain! Love the channel watch like and share comments constantly! If you see this post by chance know a 20yo young man would love and appreciate/care for this car!
@christopher.hudson Жыл бұрын
I keep my fingers crossed every time you post about this car, it’s such a great looking vehicle, it’s just a shame about how much not good luck you have with it. I’ll keep watching hoping you find a good engine for it soon, without wasting any more money
@michaelpujals Жыл бұрын
I'm an OG with a 97 E320 I call her dimples due to hail damage but I would love to have entered this contest for this beautiful M 156. I love how you explain things and make them so much more interesting.
@MomoxD1969 Жыл бұрын
We love these long videos where you get straight to work and making it entertaining🤝
@Jimbobroker Жыл бұрын
Alex, you amaze me with your engine knowledge and how you take care of all the nuances involved with these engines. Very entertaining for a guy with no engine knowledge.
@metrobadger Жыл бұрын
Appreciate your patience when things go awry! I would have lost my sh*T at least once during the multi engine process!
@1230monty Жыл бұрын
I may not have a chance of winning, but to see someone put this much effort back into a vehicle. Definitely makes me want to enter.
@mikeyjohnson5668 Жыл бұрын
Alex! Is that legit?? Almost 900 subs?! YES SIR!! Keep er goin
@kevinchristie30 Жыл бұрын
Love the show, have you ever considered doing a viewer's car? I would love for you to get your hands on my project. Keep up the good work 👏
@33dabest Жыл бұрын
I love watching these video and I’ve even started working on cars myself because of it, even when I’m depressed and feeling down I can always look at his videos and learn something, continue to do what you are doing and thank you for helping me
@ANDERZENAMG Жыл бұрын
Nice Job! Excited to see it back in the car and to see what you guys do with tuning. I will say I would have upgraded those cam adjuster bolts though. One stretched pretty easily on me when I tried reusing the hardware first time.
@shakeydavesr Жыл бұрын
But aren’t all the stretch spec bolts NOT to be reused?
@ANDERZENAMG Жыл бұрын
@@shakeydavesr definitely not supposed to
@PaddyBoy644 Жыл бұрын
24:00 you should have done your trick with the string and grease to keep the carbon build up out of the gap in the position and cylinder wall!
@richarddinges182 Жыл бұрын
Glad to see you're working on Mercedes again!
@Matt_from_Florida Жыл бұрын
It's why I came to his channel in the first place.
@frederikmohlmann4818 Жыл бұрын
Awesome video! Love your applied skills, energy, and dedication to what it is that you're doing. Not to mention your community service. You are head and shoulders above any other automotive channel that I'm aware of! Don't burn yourself out!!
@SteveBassen Жыл бұрын
Mid-week mid-day content, RIP the work I needed to get done, today
@JStryker7 Жыл бұрын
Perfect listening material to get through the work day. Thank you as always!
@LegitStreetCars Жыл бұрын
Use code "LEGIT23" for 15% off the Carly OBD Scanner & coding tool! bit.ly/CarlyLegitStreetCars. The offer expires on March 31st, 2023.
@om606channel Жыл бұрын
1st
@patrickb8533 Жыл бұрын
Absolutely 💯
@yanko4710 Жыл бұрын
Its this options work for Mercedeses
@tchf4514 Жыл бұрын
if only the carly was actually useful, i have 3 cars, the vw it can code stuff but my saturn i can't even read a code and my jeep it could only see 1/8 codes i have
@RoosterRex135 Жыл бұрын
Yea after sleepin it off😂
@htownblue11 Жыл бұрын
Alex’s journey with getting this thing back in action required more miles than the replacement engine had on the odometer….how’s hat for irony. That thing is a beast of a ride for sure when all is working. Another fun LSC escapade.
@AnthonyRBlacker Жыл бұрын
Wow setting the timing on that motor is AMAZINGLY simple!! Hondas aren't terrible but man they are annoying! Oh well
@TimWilliams1 Жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@LegitStreetCars Жыл бұрын
Thanks Tim!
@salogel88 Жыл бұрын
Oh boy, that was a lot of RTV! I'd be woried about clogging up the pick-up. Migh be worth checking the bearings, but those cam caps looked good, so most likely no worries there. Not a big fan how on modern engines you need specific tools to work on them. Love how every part Alex touches has some factory defect with it :DD Good old M113. Loving the series tho! Keep it up man!
@nicholasvinen Жыл бұрын
At least it isn't a BMW engine with their seals that fail prematurely and rod bearings that are a maintenance item...
@revolutionday1 Жыл бұрын
Nobody ever lets the shit properly set-up before they just go to torquing the parts either....
@ice44567 Жыл бұрын
I thought so too, but you can see the inside of the pan after he installs it, the bead doesn't seem to squeeze out as much as I thought it would so it should be fine. I guess they wiped it down to a thin enough layer.
@cristian6766 Жыл бұрын
Hi Alex, you nearly wacked the hell out of Rusty with that harmonic ballancer. :)) Love this model of car and even that engine with all it's, let's call them quirqs and not faults. :))
@yusefkamal8825 Жыл бұрын
Hey, been watching since the beginning of the series !!! love this and it’s my attainable dream car . love the german muscle . These cars were just the beginning and set the standard of a super sedan
@ahmedkhalfe1883 Жыл бұрын
Hey Alex a really nice way to get the guide pins out is putting a. few nuts and washers on the bolt you put in and that pushes against the front cover and takes them out easy
@Tonyclifton-q4f Жыл бұрын
You wouldnt believe it ,i just started watching your video pretty pretty happy with myself ,my LS1 yesterday started making the dreaded lifter tik and my heart sank ,stuck lifter it sounded awful ,went to my parts store for advice and purchased Liqui Moly Tappet Stop Noise ,within 28 seconds the top end is quiet as a church mouse its amazing ,its a sign from above
@hectorherbert6585 Жыл бұрын
when I rebuilt my 5 cyl Volvo turbo engine (in 2001 from a V70 R) ,i managed to find someone who had bought factory tools for torquing engine bolts & other parts simultaneously ..,I know it did make a huge difference..,since I never had to 'touch' it ever again.....so for a 20 y/o 420 HP 'sleeper' daily car motor ,except regular maintenance like proper filters , oil & 98 octane and love !!..it's not bad..
@robertwest3093 Жыл бұрын
I love this dudes passion and drive. That's one reason this channel has taken off like it has.
@hectorherbert6585 Жыл бұрын
i love the attention you put in re-installing these parts...
@scottcol23 Жыл бұрын
Im really happy to see you finally get an engine that was not grenaded! Im also happy to see that you are taking care of all the service issues up front for the new owner. Because we all know the person that wins the thing will never properly service it.
@coltonkruse2313 Жыл бұрын
Man I shouldn't have laughed, but the 2:30am fire alarm at the hotel was really a cherry on top. Just fit perfectly with this series.
@davidfrank2824 Жыл бұрын
Wayback in the early 80s my first technical tool was a beam style torque wrench. Around that time is when I started working on my own car. My brother-in-law had a late 70's f-150 that needed a clutch. My brother-in-law asked if he bought a repair manual could I changed out the clutch. I'm reading a manual I knew we needed a couple of special tools a torque wrench was one of them. The other tools we could rent right from the parts store. At that time none of them rented torque wrenches. It was a easy job and after that my confidence went through the roof. I still have that torque wrench to this day. My brother-in-law gave it to me and told me that if he ever needed to use it again more than likely it would be me needing it to help him. I am amazed by how technology has changed in a simple tool like a torque wrench. All my friends tease me today's day about all the tools I have now in my garage. I always tell them if the space shuttle was the land in front of my house I want to make sure I had the right tool to fix it and send it back into space. I'm glad to see that you were still doing your own work. There was another KZbin channel similar to yours that went downhill quickly in the last 6 months. I won't mention the name. It's basically is now a person who buys cheap cars and instead of fixing them himself he now basically takes them to the shop. He films the mechanic doing the work that he used to do on his channel. I always thought that was funny since I can ride down the street and watch any mechanic fix a car. Most people like myself want to see how people do things in their own garage at home. I am aware there is something that have to have a specialist. I'm just glad to see that you still get your hands dirty on all your cars. I understand when you're hundreds of miles away from home you are limited to what you can do. Really looking forward to seeing the next video on this car. The best part of any engine build it when you first start the engine.
@ndg49 Жыл бұрын
Wow, Alex!!! That is one incredible "how to" for that engine... actually, it's a great guide as to how you should approach any engine (re)build. I've never had the fortune to actually do that work except for helping a buddy of mine waaaaay back build a monster Pontiac 421 with a high lift cam, tunnel ram and a pair of 780 Holleys. Of course, it took a few days to sort it out. With 13.5:1 pistons and the high lift cam, we kept bending pushrods. So, we opted for a lower lift cam and it lived, much to the chagrin of the owner of the gas station across the street whose alarm we were setting off at midnight. That old GTO had a roll cage, full tilt welded steel front end, etc, etc. He sold it after winning one race.
@sirremusrobinson1070 Жыл бұрын
I'm not usually a Mercedes guy, but I love that car and the C63 is one I would want! I'm loving this content!!🙌🏾
@aaronbritt2025 Жыл бұрын
@40:00... I've got 1/4", 3/8" and 1/2" digital torque wrenches. I use the 1/4" drive on cam caps. @41:15... It's very easy to time a Mercedes engine, as long as you have the $500 worth of special engine specific tools that only work on one engine. LOL. It's okay, I think I own about $3k worth of Nissan specific tools. @42:04... You forgot to leave the link.
@dannyblair5556 Жыл бұрын
What a time for a fire alarm 😆, Great work Alex and Rusty. Brilliant content.
@ppellet4738 Жыл бұрын
Amsoil and FCP, great minds think alike!!!! I can’t wait to this Benz running around driving!!!!
@pnoyryder68 Жыл бұрын
The smiles on you guys are priceless Alex! Another well done video and thank you for making my day. Never owned an MB but I do love NA engines, there's just nothing that compares to the old school style. I'll be entering for sure and hope I'll be the lucky guy. Great job as always Alex👍🏼
@gouldnj Жыл бұрын
I love seeing you working on your first loves, the mighty AMGs.
@TheSlim93gt Жыл бұрын
Seeing all the design issues and abnormal wear from that precise German engineering just puts a smile on my face.
@johnbarrett8723 Жыл бұрын
Enjoyed the magic. A great video in spite of the lack of restful sleep. Thank you.
@operatorblack2 ай бұрын
This is officially my favorite KZbin channel. What amazing content THANK YOU
@ninamg7 Жыл бұрын
Have you ever done a video on a head replacement on a 2004 MB SLK230 SC? I'm trying to do my own buy would really like your advice and / or tutorial... your skills are unmatched on Mercedes-Benz!!! Thanks for GREAT VIDEOS!
@stewkeene Жыл бұрын
Should be fun installing and finding out about the other problems it may or may not have. Thanks a lot of work for ya but I’m glad to watch 😊
@bhuuthesecond Жыл бұрын
33:39 I think that accolade actually belongs to the Ferrari F12 of the time. Though the SLS was the most powerful NA V8 though
@richardsmith2721 Жыл бұрын
My old school torque wrench from my grandfather is two sided. It has 1/2" on one side and 3/8" on the other side. I have a decent 1/2" torque wrench for critical nuts and bolts and then I have a full set of Harbor Freight torque wrenches. I have the 1/2", 3/8" and 1/4".
@steph4559 Жыл бұрын
Man you’re such a legend. Love seeing car channels where you know how to do everything with a car.
@ibrahimantondalo9184 Жыл бұрын
good job guys, very impressed with your knowledge and passion!! Mercedes parts didn't use to wear out back in the day!! God bless,
@lh9140 Жыл бұрын
Been waiting for this thanks guys! All this work and no sleep .
@siphelelesicwe1206 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for this episode, this is the only car i wanted to watch till finished
@Mitaka80z Жыл бұрын
Amazing job, as usual Alex! This car is amazing as well and with the fixed engine it will be a blast!
@Bizija123 Жыл бұрын
Thanks Alex and the crew. Real nice to see you guys fixing up my future car!
@rwinstanley8668 Жыл бұрын
They let you use their shop and tools and you pay Rusty back by punching him in the head tightening the crank bolt. Class act Alex!😂
@paultaylor8192 Жыл бұрын
You should always put grease / oil on the threds and the underside of the head of the headbolt for when you torque the bolts down if theres no grease it can grab and give you a false torque reading and it will not be torqued to specified torque setting ….. any mechanic should know this … garuntee those bolts are not torqued correctly
@MontagaAMGDrope Жыл бұрын
You inspire me Brother. That’s why I decide to change my channel over to my cars and I actually did some repairs on my E63s once I’m out of time out I will post it.
@PANTYEATR1 Жыл бұрын
@ 12:16 Alex have you ever found an 8mm or 10mm socket in that oil pick-up tube? That would be a good place for them to hide.
@josecepeda6166 Жыл бұрын
WOW another banger! But please Alex GET SOME SLEEP!!! Especially before you head back home! Stay safe!
@scottdeller Жыл бұрын
Here's your big thumbs up Alex!
@Jzzs385 Жыл бұрын
My first rebuild is was m20 on e30, I spend about 2 month with same work… You are very fast with this very complicated motor. Sick
@garnetheron4885 Жыл бұрын
Your buddy is a beast. He finished the torque on that crank bolt like a boss.
@citydreams101 Жыл бұрын
Definitely one of my dream cars, nothing more satisfying than a job well done.
@cjmarsh504 Жыл бұрын
I'm glad that you finally found you a better engine
@Olivegardenbread Жыл бұрын
I can't wait for Alex to call me to pick this sweet thing up!! I LOVE this C63 style and Alex's hard work makes it that much cooler!!
@AMcompton101 Жыл бұрын
Cant stop, wont stop! Love the content. Especially the C63's. see you back in chicago. Enjoy the snow today... Hope to be a winner because i miss my 2011 C63... Come visit us at Oak Park Cars and Coffee this year. We are big fans.
@miscbits6399 Жыл бұрын
if you need things to align before contact - like that front timing cover - then put in a few long studs and slide the cover over them, then toss in the rest of your bolts and swap the studs out before torquing everything down
@MrBearBit Жыл бұрын
Hi Alex! Love you channel. I’ve been watching for a while now, thanks for giving back to us. First btw.
@Iexpedite1 Жыл бұрын
I was in a hotel that had a fire alarm going off. The parking lot was full of people in various stages of dress freezing in the cold. A while later, we all went back to our rooms. The alarm went off again. A bunch of people in the lot, but more of them had taken the time to get dressed. This happened 4 times. I didn’t see anyone after the second alarm, I stayed in the bed and ignored the alarm.
@lexus_offroad_adventures Жыл бұрын
Yes been waiting for the follow-up on this one!
@rodneyking4183 Жыл бұрын
17:30 I'm this far in and have to remind myself that, yeah, I have no clue what you are talking about. It is relaxing to watch you guys take this engine apart and replace all the parts though. I'm scared to change the oil in my nearly new Escape. I could do it, sure, but I don't have a lift and the Ford dealership will do it for $58 which is cheaper than the oil and filter, so, why would I mess with that anyway?
@paulmac9634 Жыл бұрын
For light torque values I use a 1/4" drive inch pound torque wrench (Snap-on of course). The torque specs can easily be converted. The bar type torque wrench is not a great option.
@georgetd04 Жыл бұрын
You really inspired me as a channel and now im forging a 1.4 Tjet Fiat engine that i bought used. My first ever time building an engine from scratch. Wish me luck 💪
@danorourke5184 Жыл бұрын
This video was so legitimate! Learned a lot, Thanks for sharing!
@furiouschapa Жыл бұрын
The amount of information you retain amazes me I forget what I had for breakfast! Great episode, I'd love to win this work of art!!!
@waugh9656 Жыл бұрын
Hey you guys that's a sweet whip am sure the lucky winner will truly appreciate it you guys work so hard am from Jamaica you all should talk a trip down to Jamaica I will show you guys my beautiful Island cant wait for the update on the car and the start up.
@willyoung5465 Жыл бұрын
Brilliant work Alex and Rusty. Loving it!!
@adamchaves71 Жыл бұрын
Great video Alex!!!!! Glad you will be able to get that beauty home.
@alltheboost5363 Жыл бұрын
I gotta say I'm not disappointed with your bulletproof engine. Bulletproof should have rod's pistons headstuds and MLS gaskets. What you should be saying is It's a service technical bulletin engine.
@BlakeMcBride Жыл бұрын
"The torque wrench that Jesus used" had me cracking up. Nice job on the build!
@smoothz0657 Жыл бұрын
Ive always preferred the beam style wrenches, you can sneak up on the torque and you can see if its starting to pull threads...a clicker, you just trust its right and keep pulling