I'm Engaged To My Ex's Sister And It's Causing Family Trouble r/Relationships

[@clairebear-96]

“dating your ex’s little sister… what could possibly go wrong?” Yeah exactly what I was thinking lmao like… why even get yourself in this situation in the first place bro it was completely avoidable

[@AndyyWithAY]

This is some soap opera type 💩. I don't understand why it's so hard not to date your ex's family members.

[@1911odisea]

People do fall in love. As long as they're consenting adults, there's no cheating involved etc., you have no right to judge that.

[@BritInvLvr]

There must have been a shortage of females in his town.

[@pippo17173]

@@1911odisea true but this post is acting shock this won't happen.

[@Crux_JCr]

@@pippo17173 because it was Gwen that wanted to break up because she wanted a "sleep around" phase while op wanted to be monogamous. Do you believe every one of your exs are still hung up on you even though it has been years since the break up and you both wanted different things from life?

[@starbird3939]

You don’t date an ex’s relative. It is nothing but endless drama. It sounds like Gwen and Vikki had this toxic sibling rivalry over OP, and OP played right into their drama like a violin.

[@juliearmfield2634]

They are both disgusting.

[@ajzephyros7454]

Unless the Ex died, then MAYBE a trauma bond forming between the partner and sibling could be plausible

[@thedestroyasystem]

@@ajzephyros7454 yeah I’ve heard that happens sometimes, pretty shitty for all involved

[@demonic_myst4503]

G has no claim to op , vicky can date who she wants

[@lazarushernandez5827]

@@demonic_myst4503 This. They weren't married. Gwen decided she wanted to be young and free, OP didn't want to stay in that relationship dynamic so they parted ways. Vicky stayed away from OP until after he broke it off with Gwen.

[@Azulakayes]

Story 1: No one can convince me that Vicki wasn't manipulative. No one.

[@Davtwan]

Probably not at first but OP enabled her behavior when she took her out on that date. She’s likely grown up with that mindset now and is probably stuck with it.

[@jonathanbrown7250]

​​@Just A Girl And where is Mom or dad when Vicky starts dating OP, sitting both their daughters down and making sure this is okay with everyone? You make a great point. Mom and dad aren't mentioned in the story yet are probably the most guilty characters because they're supposed to be the seasoned adults in the room

[@DCD762]

​@@Davtwan it's funny how all of you are so keen in defense of Gwen. Gwen was dating OP, she had the chance to stay with him, he was totally in love with her. Gwen choose to throw away those 5 years + friendship so she could sleep around with multiple guys Gwen, after spending several years being run through now wanted OP back, because most likely gained during her " enjoy life " years the rep of being easy and couldn't get any guy to truly commit to her anymore and wanted her option B back During this whole time Vicky kept herself faithful to OP, waited to have her chance and knew how to keep a good man to herself. Fact is, sisters or not ( they could have been best friends and you guys would be pounding OP still), Gwen throw away her chance because of her want of " living life ". No one forced her to it, no one tricked her to it. She CHOOSE to lose OP, CHOOSE. That was her choice. Vicky in other hand wasn't blind Now you all are pounding on Vicky and OP for their love and relationship and defending the crappy, selfish, entitled older sister that wanted OP quiet and kept on a shelf waiting for her while she slept with a multitude of guys. Honestly, i find all of you hypocrites, defending a woman that brought her future on herself while criticizing the ones that did nothing wrong. So ESH

[@dillongage]

Its normal for little sisters to get jealous of their older sisters relationships at that age, and develop some probably unhealthy feelings for the partner. When I was younger I dated a couple girls whos little sister got weirdly clingy towards me. Its the parents job to shut it down. Also though.... what did Gwen expect? OP loved her, she refused to commit, he ended up finding someone very similar to her that WOULD commit. Parents are definetly TA, but honestly everyone sucks.

[@dillongage]

​​@@DCD762chose* but yes, I agree. I do have to say the parents have some blame as well. They should have sat Vicky down a LONNG time ago and explained that its not healthy to pinr after her sisters BF. Its common though. Younger siblings, especially young girls, try to emulate their older siblings. Ive been through a similar situation, albeit I was 18 and my GFs little sister was 9, so there was no chance of anything happening the way this story played out, but after she calmed me her BF, I immediately asked my GF and her Mom to talk to her and deal with the situation.

[@manxiefeathermoon9888]

Story one: the OP is ignoring a huge red flag. Vicki was so willing to shit talk other women because she was jealous. I can see this turning into a very controlling and even abusive relationship. Don't ever date someone who shit talks your current partner

[@Ifrit86]

Seems like it only happened once in the entire time he's known her. Once doesn't make a habit and people make mistakes. It's only an issue if she still does it

[@michealball1896]

I have never met a woman who did not shit talk another woman.

[@andyshepherd700]

So like any woman on the planet that liked you before you dated them. Crap talking other women is pretty much a universal female thing. Just like guys will often times react by showing dominance in some way.

[@thatoneguy9816]

Every female ever

[@ScreamingDucksShotMyMother]

@@michealball1896 I mean both genders shit talk each other, and the same gender. This isn't a women thing.

[@sltslt24]

But she wasn't "just a navie kid" she was 17 years old. A 17 year old that has friends that will flirt, knows to put on makeup, etc is not navie. I'm going to be honest I think Vicky knew if she continued to be in OP's life and pushed all other girls out then she would be the only one. I highly doubt Gwen said she was okay with Vicky dating her ex and that she pushed her to confess. It seems very much like Vicky is going to continue to make OP see her as this sweet innocent person but OP is just going to go with it because he's in to deep

[@MemristerBoogieDown]

@@availanila … my family is hard-core dysfunctional but I have never had to protect a significant other from poaching relatives… What the hell is wrong with your cousins?

[@indyfmw]

I thought he was referring to himself

[@tippytoe1250]

Shoot my SILs sisters ex hit on me and I was like NOPE. That was still too close for me. My SILs sister feels like my own sisters.

[@larynadams1127]

I personal can't even see why he dated a girl he when when she was in middle school, especially with the whole thing about her chasing away other women in his life. Like that just feels so icky to me. And with all this info he now has he should really consider not going through with the marriage. She just doesn't seem emotionally mature enough to be married.

[@nightbest2308]

First Vicky was 14 when she started to show interest. Second it was Glen who did not see a future with him. She did not want to be in a committed relationship with him she wanted to experience a single life peppered with girls gone wild moments. It was she who broke up the relationship and since no wrong doing can be attributed to him I do not see how anyone in their right mind can for even a moment can believe that Gwen should have had any say in determining who her ex dates or marry.

[@heatherholzhaus7013]

Oh.... my.... word. My stomach is just churning at the fact that that newborn was starving because Grnadma decided to try to nurse her.

[@wendyhadley2764]

First story, this is a family that needs to be avoided at all cost.

[@Hanzo1]

OP ain't much better tbh

[@Mitsubachi2529]

Since he sees no issue w/dating two sisters OP sounds like Jerry Springer material himself 😂

[@Callimo]

Yeeeeeah, it's so weird. You've got one sister who has commitment issues and one obsessed and lovestruck younger sister who would lie to get what she wants. But the ball is in OP's court, so we'll see.

[@gilliancourtney4701]

Both sisters sound weird and I think that OP loves the drama.

[@basicimagemarketing6499]

“She was just a naive kid feeling insecure not knowing if I would ever love her..” WHAT????? You weren’t supposed to love her, you were her sisters boyfriend. She is selfish and it’s really scary that all of her manipulative actions worked.

[@achocot]

yeah. i don't know about the manipulation stuff as she was just a teenager with a crush who didn't seem to overstep an boundaries (except for the jealousy at FWB) but it was actually her sister G that he should feel some sympathy for. she was insecure feeling not as pretty as her sister who was pining for her brother all along and she put aside her feelings and encouraged her sister despite how it made her feel.

[@gigga143]

facts, she is crazy and manipulative, and he’s obviously sick too for dating his ex’s little sister.

[@cyrillechristophe9731]

​@@gigga143 why ? Any valid reason for this ? Except whatever you deem as acceptable ? Guess what, not doing what you think should be done doesn't make people crazy. Thinking that way would be more of an indicator...

[@PeacheIIe]

Jesus you're dramatic.

[@jonathanbrown7250]

Can someone show me the "manipulation" in this story? I've sure as hell seen many a man manipulated by many a woman, but where is it here? Last month, I put my refrigerator out on the curb, thinking the city would haul it off. Instead, some guy came along and took it to make a buck. Now how much sense would it make for me to run off to the police claiming the refrigerator I tossed out was stolen just because the someone that got it wasn't the someone I thought would get it?

[@SkyEcho751]

Story 1: To me I wouldn't have dated Vicky at all, NOT primarily because she is the younger sister of my ex(the age difference isn't THAT extreme). Rather because she was "S-talking" me to girls I'm trying to date, and THAT is a no-go, directly confess and move on, or just straight up move on. Story 2: NO NO NO, this is not okay behavior. She committed Tortuous interference(firing the Nanny), is possible committing a crime by breast feeding the kid without the OP's permission, and she also broke into the house. She isn't a grieving Mother, she is a raging B of a threat.

[@bigz3483]

Vicky wasn't sh*t talking about OP to other girls, she was sh*t talking the other girls

[@goawayleavemealone2880]

Both these girls are so messed up... OP needs to cut his losses already.

[@goawayleavemealone2880]

@@bigz3483 - Doesn't matter... both sisters are so messed up.

[@gellyfishies]

@@bigz3483 yeah, both still bad.

[@bigz3483]

@@goawayleavemealone2880 how is Vicky messed up? She had a crush but didn't act on it until they were broken up and with Gwen's blessing. Granted she shouldn't have been talking shit but that's a minor offense

[@GLoLChibs]

Story 1- So G drank the 'what if' juice, and OP encouraged a crush in a 13 year old throughout her life, and V has been manipulating the situation from the word go. Lied to OP and disrespected every crush and relationship he had in order to get him. V has mad controlling and jealous vibes. OP should have ignored V as he intended to and just get away from this whole family and dumpster fire.

[@jamestown8398]

OP didn’t encourage anything, he was just being nice to his girlfriend’s sister. He didn’t know about her crush until they were both in the same college.

[@animelytical8354]

"OP encouraged a-" That's not said here at all. Crushes need no encouragement. This is one of those things that sounds like a "nice guy" type argument. Just being nice to someone is nothing.

[@MorganVsTheInternet]

1- Ew, double ew. Vicki straight-up gaslight manipulation and girl bossed OP into a relationship.

[@bigz3483]

Are we reading the same story?

[@MorganVsTheInternet]

@@bigz3483 1- she yelled at her sister because she wasn’t “treating” OP right. 2- whined about OP moving on with his life and guilt trip him into staying her friend 3- want to the same college as OP and acted like a b*tch to other women around OP.

[@torahammas6722]

Right? So many red flags all over the way Vicky behaved.

[@CarinaCoffee]

@@bigz3483 let's see, she fell in love with OP at 14, spent the next couple of years inserting herself into her sister's relationship as much as she could, went so far to learn about his school courses so she could hold a conversation with him, followed him to his uni, shit talked and bullied the girls he was seeing after breaking up with her sister while having emotionally blackmailed him into staying friends with her after said break up. Then when Gwen told her she should confess to get it over with (as I have the feeling Gwen thought OP would never give Vicky a second thought - clearly that backfired) she took the chance when she saw she could be his girlfriend afterall. So yeah, that's pretty stalker-ish gaslighting manipulation all around from V.

[@bigz3483]

@@CarinaCoffee wow you're gassing this up more than it needs to be, your worse than the redditors lmao I sense a lot of projection, got any sibling problems???

[@marcissmiley3131]

Vicki is already showing so many red flags, she also seems a bit abusive and I won’t be surprised when they get married and she tries to isolate him in fear of him talking to other woman. Abuse for the most part starts out slow and than it ramps up into eventually it’s to hard to escape it. Op also seems to be getting trickled truth, gaslit, and lied to from all sides throughout the story, he just needs to walk away and leave the toxicity that is spewing from that family.

[@bernadettedegama601]

Creepy girl

[@TiffWaffles]

Yeah, the fact that she was jealous of the relationships that OP got into after he had dumped Gwen is a massive red flag. I just can't understand why he got into the relationship with Vicki. He should have just went no contact with her... she seems like a weird and obsessive person.

[@skylarjnelson6898]

I wouldn't be able to trust Vicki again after that. Who knows if she's even telling the truth about everything?

[@samanthacarpenter3336]

She claimed Gwen was jealous of HER. After being jealous of her sister for dating YOU, and any other women she deems to close to you. He’s so, so stupid, almost willfully so in my opinion. He doesn’t even think he sucks for dating an ex’s little sister.

[@kevinnaranek6649]

Gwen asking for an open relationship should put her permanently off the table as a possible choice for anyone interested in a monogamous relationship.

[@You_said_what1]

I have three daughters so I’m totally biased. I’ve already made it very clear anybody poaches from each other they are being disowned. People don’t teach loyalty anymore but is the foundation of our family. anyone that dates more than one of my children will never ever be invited to family dinner let alone be a part of this family

[@Crux_JCr]

Well you would like op then but be very disappointed with G as Op wanted a committed monogamous relationship while G wanted an open relationship because it was her time to F*ck around. So they broke up and after they broke up op started dating V. There was no "poaching" or dating multiple people, at least from OP's side won't guess on G.

[@damien678]

@@Crux_JCr being in a consensual open relationship is better than dating an ex's sibling, tf you on about?

[@luciferandassociates9255]

@@damien678 The key word is Consensual. Which OP wasn't, which is why they broke up and him and his ex's little sister consensually hook up Years later in Collage.

[@damien678]

@@luciferandassociates9255 I mean yeah, but at least Gwen asked instead of just cheating? Idk, it just feels waaaay more upsetting in the long-term to date a sibling

[@Crux_JCr]

@@damien678 consensual. As in both agree to it which OP wasn't. I don't care that she wanted to have an open relationship. I care that she wanted him to have an open relationship when he told her plain out he didn't want to. In so much as I care about a couple of strangers relationship from 8 years ago.

[@geminidawn7315]

Never date your ex's sibling. Hurt feelings are going to keep coming up and the sister's not perfect she's manipulative.

[@JDKT002]

Yeah this story really didn't paint little sister in a good light. Was borderline stalking behavior in hindsight. I'm somewhat willing to attribute that to the fact that she was a teenager during most of that. Hopefully OP wasn't blinding himself to any similar behavior from her over the last 5 years they've been together. It sounds like Gwen liked to her sister for quite a long time about how she really felt about the whole situation. She's the one who's most in the wrong here IMO if the information is to be believed. Lying to her sister about being okay with it, likely encouraging her to confess her feelings thinking OP would reject her, blaming OP for all her emotional issues and current state of her life. It's the words of a person who never took accountability or control of their own life. OP is a clueless dope who should have known no matter what anybody said, no matter what reassurance he got, that this would happen sooner or later.

[@geminidawn7315]

@@JDKT002 OP showed alack of judgement when he got into a relationship with the sister period no matter who said what to him. I think they'll probably in the long run divorce things will keep coming back up with the wedding any kids it'll be a cycle.

[@taurus3alexis]

MANIPULATIVE. He’ll be give us an story down the line fore that. I can imagine the title. EX FIANCÉ IS MY EX’s SIBLING, MANIPULATIVE AND MAKING MY LIFE HELL

[@geminidawn7315]

@@taurus3alexis I got lucky and broke up with my ex fiancee when I met his psycho family from hell. No way was I tieing my self to that family of head cases with a side of addicts. Nope. I feel bad for people who get sucked into that kind of madness.

[@JDKT002]

@@geminidawn7315 sounds like one half of my family. Which is the reason I haven't seen most of them in 15 years.

[@skylarjnelson6898]

I mean, we all know V is messy af, right? I can't imagine doing what she did to either of my siblings. She seems like a total snake. I don't care that OP thinks she's honest or earnest, you don't do something like that to your siblings. It sounds like she wasn't really in love with OP, more or less obsessed with him. What a weirdo.

[@MizTameRumors]

Wow dating your ex's sister is causing trouble in their family? What a shocking and unusual situation....Most women love sharing partners with their siblings.

[@demonic_myst4503]

Sharing no gwen had no right to op

[@idkhithere6860]

@@demonic_myst4503 and vicky had any right? dont date your siblings ex!! its not that hard!

[@animezia]

@@idkhithere6860 i kinda feel like nobody is AH in the 1st story, V waited for them to break up and she clearly wanted OP to be happy with G and was visibly upset that G wanted to cuck him. G clearly wanted to be shared with strangers in the "open relationship"

[@idkhithere6860]

@@animezia yeah but im not talking about G. Im talking about V and her manipulative nature. She trirr to pursue OP while her sister was still with him!

[@demonic_myst4503]

@@idkhithere6860 she had every right these oh you cant date your ex friend or sibling bs is degrading implication of ownership no better than the dibbing culture which treats romantic osrtners like property

[@alg94]

story 1: op did this to himself. he keeps saying that vicky wasn't a mastermind or was parading his relationship but sir she was "in love" with you when she was 14 and you were dating her sister. you fucked up big time. all this drama is what you deserve op.

[@princesspanda12012]

Vicky is a HUGE walking red flag. She isolated other girls from OP that was dating, practically followed OP to college, displayed jealous behaviors and LIED to OP. I wouldn't marry her honestly. I would rather date G again. V sounds like a stalker edit- I really hate how OP wrote about G and V in his update. talking about V being "perfect"?, has the "right" curves? wtf? and saying V's confession was "deceitful"? so one sided. OP really drank Vs Kool aid

[@samday414]

G doesn’t sound like a peach to be honest either. She strung him along for months when they were teenagers and then tried the whole open relationship thing so she could experience other guys. He clearly wasn’t comfortable with any of this. Eventually they broke up and she realised she made a big mistake. However, that doesn’t entitle her to a do over with OP.

[@ditzyhere3138]

@@samday414 I don't think she "strung him along," it's more like they were growing up and wanted different things. Seemed more like there was social pressure to stay together cause they're from a small town and everyone knew everyone. It's perfectly reasonable not to think someone you met in high school is "the one."

[@nb1571]

He said in an update he’s not “attracted to G like that” whatever that means

[@thedestroyasystem]

She sounds obsessive. Or at least she was, it’s hard to tell how much she’s changed if at all. Keep in mind that the only info we’ve been given is years out of date. Hopefully she’s matured a lot since then, but OP never should’ve started dating her in the first place.

[@xReisk]

Dont think so and she disnt lied to OP but slightly, most of the things were true. Nobody knew V felt that way and that it was a big feeling for her and because she kept it, she never really talked about it(since it was her sisters BF by that time) and nobody encouraged her to let him go and see him more as a friend or even a brother due to her keeping it secret. She never tried to make her sister and OP breakup but encourage her to commit. She spoke dirty things from OPs hookups, but it doesnt feel like she tried to stop him but just vent her jealousy by the way OP is talking(dirty talk is not ok tho but she didnt do something worse). Then proceeds to confess in order to move on with her life. I just found G totally out of place, now that she had fun being free now she wants someone like him who actually cared for her by implying her feelings and how hurt she is with their feelings relationship..

[@jackchop1576]

This guy is totally one of those, "I hate drama!!" people who starts it everywhere he goes and acts oblivious to that.

[@Ladyresin0978]

When my relative took a break from her ex-husband, my sister swooped in because she had had a crush on him since she was 10. It was gross to watch them fawn over each other and they broke up after a couple months.

[@gelibeanzcantrell7192]

for story 1, V sounds absolutely crazy! from the sounds of it, she basically threw a tantrum when OP and G broke up and he tried to distance himself, and then when he relented she wormed her way into his heart by acting like a b!tch when OP would date other girls. she's been obsessed with him since she met him and has now been showing her true colors by driving a wedge between him and other women in general (besides her mom probably). imo, OP should get out of this relationship. V sounds like she could get dangerous.

[@Streetwisefirst]

Story 2: MIL is out of line. You can’t call this inappropriate behaviour grief. The trust is broken. If I was OP I would never allow her to be alone with my child. Th starving of the child is a nope we’re done. That was actively putting a baby at risk. I’m all for filing the police report and getting the paperwork trail started. Change the locks get some more cameras. Do I think MIL needs mental health support yes, but the baby’s safety comes first.

[@bennyd.1862]

All three of these people sound like hot messes to me: • We got Gwen who broke up with OP because she wanted to be a party girl and sleep with other people. Then she gets drunk and has the nerve to blame OP for her mental health issues. • We got Vicky who bullied a girl for being with OP and instead of apologizing she confesses her feelings for him. Furthermore, the update shows that she had been pursuing OP since she was 14. • Then we got the oblivious OP who is surprised this situation blew up in his face. Dude, you dated your ex’s little sister. 😑 Did you think this was gonna be drama free?

[@EM3SonSon]

Gwen: "You will never be his girlfriend." Gwen after: "I'm sorry for what I said, go for it, confess to him!

[@jackchop1576]

I don't think he was as oblivious as he acts. He gives me, "I HATE drama!" energy.

[@itsjustmaddisen]

The fact he said he wanted this to be “drama free.” Like dude that ship has sailed, wrecked and sunk to the bottom of the ocean.

[@agathoklesmartinios8414]

Story 2: Seems to me like MIL sees OP's child as a replacement for her deceased daughter and is trying to mother her like she did OP's wife. Like a do-over on being a mother to her daughter. OP should have kicked out MIL immediately after discovering she was trying to breastfeed his baby, that is creepy on a borderline incestuous level. He should have demanded the key back and even if she actually returned it he should have had the locks changed immediately. Also, informed his FIL about the situation and advised him to seek mental help for MIL. With the way things seemed to be going regarding his in-laws, I think OP should go NC with them, however painful it might be to cut out his wife's family like that. I think he should move as soon as possible, ideally tranferring to another branch of his company far away from MIL.

[@zerobolt9506]

I thought this too

[@audreym3908]

I agree with the first parts but I think that going NC is a bit overboard, definitely LC till she can get help and there has been approvements on her mental health along with her grieving process, and after a while can have supervised visits with her granddaughter.

[@RylieRiddle]

Last story: NTA 100% and change the locks right away. Go extremely low contact until the Mil gets heavy therapy over her grief and whatever else is going on in her head. Tell Bil and Sil to screw off until they also get their heads right. Move away and stay away until Sammy is older and talk and say if other grandma is doing sketchy things.

[@Original_Tenshi_Chan]

I agree, but with one exception. I wouldn't go LC, I would go full NC with a restraining order. People hanging on by a fraying thread do NOT take being told No lightly. They will fight, squeeze, manipulate and resort to extremely unethical tactics in order to hold onto what they deem is theirs. Also, if OP leaves the metaphorical door open to MIL, he risks leaving the legal door open to MIL obtaining Grandparent's rights. And finally, the person who said it takes months and hormones to start lactating, has never met Risperidone. My doc tried giving it to me to manage my anxiety, and before my 1st period while on the med, my breasts swelled almost a cup size larger, tender and leaked milk like a sieve. Risperidone is no joke.. O_O

[@TriXJester]

Story 1: Theres gonna be a messy outcome to that weird ass family dynamic.

[@Merryfrances]

I remember this story and both OP and Vicki sound very toxic. Hopefully Gwen gets far away from both of them. The mental gymnastics OP had to do to justify Vicki’s manipulative and obsessive behavior and his own love of having his ego boosted is mind boggling.

[@HeoBaby24]

Gwen sounds pretty jealous and clearly haven't gotten over op if she brings up a break up from 2014 almost 7 years ago

[@stirlingarcher7972]

@@HeoBaby24 Vicki sounds like trash that dates her sister’s ex long term bf

[@Merryfrances]

@@HeoBaby24 yea I wouldn’t get over it either if my little sister had a crush on my boyfriend pretty much the entire 4 years of our relationship, did little things to try to catch his attention, fought with me over him, followed him off to school, got jealous of other girls so he couldn’t move on with a woman who wasn’t related to me, then pushed to get into a serious relationship with him. How is she supposed to “move on” when he’s now permanently in her family!? How do you move on from someone who is still actively around?

[@kp2223]

@@Merryfrances FACTS

[@HeoBaby24]

@@Merryfrances hay I just skipped to the update I'm just saying She should been moved on but she didn't

[@lancerevell5979]

Story two..... Agree with changing locks, going low/no contact with MIL/BIL/SIL, consulting a lawyer, etc. Also, try to rehire the nanny, if she will come back.

[@Mewse1203]

Story 2: NTA and she needs to be out of their life permanently. She could have starved that child. Then she came into his house and fired his nanny. She crossed so many lines and OP needs to get a restraining order.

[@mm.akoshark]

the way OP justifies Vickis actions by saying she was "just a naive kid" lr whatever, really rubs me the wrong way considering HE IS NOW DATING THAT "KID"!!! it gives off vibes that he still sees her as a kid

[@MT-fh1fw]

That's just a projection on your part, though. She literally was a naive kid in some parts of the story and well, now she's an adult.

[@mm.akoshark]

@@MT-fh1fw yes but he and vicki are both very toxic people and you can see it throughout this story, so i think I'd be concerned if someone didn't see it as strange

[@Crux_JCr]

Or. You know. He could say that when she was a kid putting on makeup to impress a guy she likes and he didn't even register her existence beyond a quick hi, was an actual moment in time that happened and they have grown since then. Idk about you but me, I was a nieve kid, now I am a grown adult, paying bills and taxes. My niece was a kid once that got terrified every time she heard a scary story, now she is a woman in her early twenties about to get married, with an apartment rented and babysits her baby cousin. People can remember you were once a kid and still view you as an adult.

[@mm.akoshark]

@@Crux_JCr no shit sherlock, but ops a major weirdo and my world view is super fucked up after all the perverted weirdos ive seen , but none of this changes the fact that op is still a weirdo even if i am wrong, and my point is stupid, op is a weirdo because its weird to date your exs sister with or without permission, especially if that sibling was still a kid when you were an adult (17 is still a kid, the couple broke up when they were 20) so

[@lazarushernandez5827]

​@@mm.akosharkGwen made her choices: -she wanted to date other people/have an open relationship, OP didn't want that type of relationship so they parted ways. -when Vicky told Gwen about her feelings for OP, Gwen gave her sister her consent (this was explained in the update): If Gwen was against this she should not have given her consent. The thing is Gwen didn't expect that Vicky and OP would actually date or that it would last.

[@papazzipond1165]

First story : A LOT OF RED FLAGS happened And what the hell in the op's mind? Dating his ex's sister ? nope nope nope

[@kateemma22]

This is why you need to be able to throw a stone in a family gathering and not hit anyone you've dated besides your partner.

[@MemristerBoogieDown]

😂 Very well said

[@ineedhoez]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@catharineholton49]

Seems to me, little sister became obsessed with OP BECAUSE he was her sisters boyfriend she hero worshipped him, and believed she had fallen in love. My sympathy is with the elder sister. Granted she didnt think that she was ready to settle down her, but I think that is better than obsessing about someone out of reach. Vicky is NOT perfect, and I'm wondering how long before OP realises that being an Idol isn't all its cracked up to be. An update in 5 years would prove interesting. I wonder what would happen if elder sister got an AWESOME boyfriend that completely overshadowed OP. Would Vicky decide she was suddenly in love with this one??? It seems likely!

[@AndyyWithAY]

I read story 1 about an hour ago. This woman is unfit and needs intense and immediate therapy. Breast feeding your grandchild is so weird and inappropriate. And then firing the nanny? Just a hot mess.

[@alexiron6876]

Story 2*, I was so confuse.

[@sltslt24]

Story 1 future predictions : OP like her obsession with him, he thinks it's cute that she pushed all other girls and would follow him anywhere. Vicky is doing what he wanted Gwen to do and she probably looks like Gwen too. I think he's not actually over Gwen and he'll either cheat on Vicky with Gwen (emotionally) and divorce or completly leave the family in a few years

[@jamestown8398]

For years he hasn’t spoken to Gwen beyond smalltalk at family gathering. That doesn’t sound like the behavior of a man whose carrying a torch.

[@sltslt24]

@@jamestown8398 but he continued talking to her younger sister. I highly doubt he didn't ask or know anything about Gwen, he even knew about her depression. There's no way you don't know about your gf siblings especially if their your ex. I know from my past I stayed friend's with my ex's sister and randomly he texted me about something I told his sister, she told me she mentioned it in passing and didn't think much of it.

[@jamestown8398]

@@sltslt24 While that may be your experience, that doesn't mean it's universal. It's entirely possible that Vicky avoided talking about Gwen out of fear of stoking feelings in OP, and it's also possible OP avoided asking about her. Remember, a big reason why OP remained friends with Vicky is because he didn't want her to think he was only tolerating her for Gwen's sake.

[@XxSmartiesxX_]

I bet G felt the OP would NEVER go out with her little sister V. And when they actually started dating it broke her heart. She was so sure that they wouldn’t date that she encouraged her sister so her sister can finally get over her annoying crush.

[@CrazyClef]

A small thing, story 2, the other story that reminded you of the hand that rocks the cradle was the MIL’s best friend who was babysitting and calling the kids “her babies”. I’ve been binging a lot of videos and listened to that one yesterday

[@tamsel814]

Story 1: you just don't date a close relative of your ex. Who would think that this is a good idea

[@desireeloveros1055]

Yeah people flip out over friends dating exes Your little sister? That’s a hard line you shouldn’t cross

[@RevWarRev]

Nanny Drama: MiL should never, NEVER be alone with DD again. She put DD at risk and is totally clueless she did so.

[@Jen321able]

Wow. First op is delusional. I don't believe Vicky's story that Gwen gave her blessing at all. Or at least she was probably saying do it because it was inevitable her sister, who plotted on her man would confess anyway. Op admitted himself she would shit talk his other girlfriends and got in his sister's case because Gwen (a damn 20 yr old) wanted to date around more. God forbid . Gwen probably would be over him if her sister hadn't stared dating him. Like what an idiot to date her little sister.

[@Schwiegermutter]

So Gwen can throw him away for cock but cant stand her sister pull him out of the trash? Where is the logic?

[@chocomoka3502]

In my society, country or family dating any of your family ex is a big NO. It disgust me even to think about it 🤢🤮

[@despinasgarden.4100]

Story 1: Oh Honney, you have a big storm coming.... Look, while dating your ex's little sister is a pretty cuestionable choice, but it doesn't sounds like you cheated on G with V and it doesn't seems like you two have big age gap between you two, G was the one who wanted to break up and asked for an open relationship, you can't really be blamed for how that choice turned out. After update: Uh.... Are you sure you still want to marry her? Because she doesn't sounds like she is honest based on that she lied to you about Gwen being okay with your relationship and based on this new information, she really sounds like a stalker.

[@gialee8567]

right, also, v has been obsessed with op since she was 14. so you know how easy it is to fake someone’s desired personality for someone to like them? i feel like this relationship is getting abusive

[@LadyWolvie82]

OP is an Idiot Sandwich.

[@Tammohawk1]

1. First off, V broke the girl code in regard to dating her older sister's ex. OP shouldn't have dated V no matter what she said. This type of thing tears families apart. It can ruin family get togethers, holidays, etc... 2. A woman can manipulate her breasts in order to start producing milk. But it takes time. What this woman did was abusive due to her not feeding the baby properly!! If I were OP, she'd be happy to see the cops after what she did to that poor baby. Grief is no excuse.

[@bribri2925]

Vicky is the mastermind…. I expect op to eventually see the truth and divorce, or be sad. It might be 5 yrs later or 20, but he’ll learn

[@actuallynotsteve]

Dude doesn't even remotely suspect that he's been getting manipulated by a crazy teenager

[@Swnsasy]

You know what, I'm going to date my ex's little sister.. Yea, that will be a perfect thing and our families will ALL get along great together.. 😒😒

[@carolroberts4614]

What could possibly go wrong!?

[@dannietea]

Story 1 is one hell of a hot ass mess.

[@ciomaria6137]

Story 1: I could never date an ex’s sibling. That just seems like trouble. Story 2: The grandmother sounds like she’s had a mental break. She may be unconsciously be trying to “mother” the last piece of her daughter that is left in the best/closest way she can. That does not mean it is right or healthy for either of them. While wet nursing is a thing, that is done with the full consent of the parent(s). Wet nursing behind the parent’s back is not right. On top of that, most women cannot just begin nursing at the drop of a hat, unless their bodies are predisposed to it (it sometimes happens, but is not typical). Certain hormones have to be present in the body in order to begin production. Heck, sometimes even after giving birth and pumping and doing everything right, the body doesn’t produce enough or any. One major concern is that a baby that is overly hungry because they are not fed regularly or on their schedule may not feed well. Also, some infants get confused when switching back and forth because the mouth actions to nurse and bottle feed are different. The grandmother is unwell and needs mental health support/help before she can safely be around her grandchild.

[@itsjustmaddisen]

It’s also really weird. I could *NEVER* date one of my sisters’ ex’s. It makes me uncomfortable just thinking about.

[@idontknowmyfruits2194]

Every time i hear story 1 I’m reminded there really are people living lives like that out of choice and I shiver lmao

[@pambarab5506]

Story 1. Even if everyone involved had talked it out and were all fine with the situation, it is still a situation that is full of hidden pitfalls and begging for drama. And there will be drama. Story 2. Poor OP, and poor MIL who needs some serious help. Op has to protect the baby.

[@KCohere33]

He should have steered clear of the whole family after breaking up with the older sister. This whole situation feels a little slimy to me.

[@amadddd0]

So Gwen found out that the "Girls just wanna have fun" phase was only so fun. She wanted to move on and while V's lie is a problem, Gwen's emotions can't be everyone's problem.

[@VeronicaStorm98]

That first story makes Vicky sound like a Yandere. Loving a person for years, manipulating others to help achieve your goal, and doing anything to get them to notice you is very Yandere-like behavior. It kind of reminds me of the situation with the sisters, Rin and Sakura from the Fate anime and visusl novel, as they are two sisters who are in love with the same guy, Shiro. Interestingly, the older sister, Rin, is a Tsundere, while Sakura, the younger sister, is a Yandere who is desperate for Shiro's attention. I bet if the OP from the first story tried to watch that anime or read the visual novel, that situation would feel very familiar.

[@mm.akoshark]

lets not glorify it please! she wasn't a yandere, she was a complete weirdo stalker who hurt tons of innocent people (the ppl she talked abt, the sister, etc) calling her a yandere is basically watering down the grossness of her behavior!

[@thtvh1]

@@mm.akoshark when someone says yandere I imagine a complete disgrace because of the game. I think it does the job for me at least.

[@mm.akoshark]

@@thtvh1 for actual people in this situation its disrespectful to call it yandere stuff, to us and our generation we can understand that yandere = bad, but for older people and other adults (especially those not chronically online) it'll be seen as disrespectful and rude

[@thtvh1]

@@mm.akoshark we can put "crazy manipulating toxic rat psycho" in "yandere" place

[@idkhithere6860]

@@mm.akoshark let them think the word "yandere" is disrepectful and rude then. There's nothing good when it comes to yandere. Vicky doesnt deserve any respect after years of pursuing her sister's ex.

[@ditzyhere3138]

Honestly I respect Gwen more than OP and Vicky. Maybe because they’re from a small down but imagine spending the rest of your life to someone you dated in high school? You have your whole life to live and you’re gonna change so much till you’re 25 since you’re still developing. the people actually end up growing old together, great! But the chances of that success are so low. (Especially if a little sister is attempting to pry the man away from the sister.) I’m sure she’s more upset that she respected OP and never thought someone she loved would be callous enough to date her sister. And I’m sorry but how do you hear that your gf used to handle your dirty underwear because she was so obsessed with you as a kid and not get weirded out?

[@carolroberts4614]

He's certainly got blinkers on where Vicky is concerned.All that hero worship has gone to his head, I think, and now Vicky Can Do No Wrong, Because She's Waited So Long!

[@Schwiegermutter]

She had what she wanted. How good are all those "experiences" now? She should just shut up. You cant be mad aboute your sister for getting a Husband that you threw away because you needed more cock

[@ianesgrecia8568]

Women that think 'open relationship' is anything other than a excuse to cheat don't deserve ANYONE in their lives. Gwen is the AH here

[@jonathanbrown7250]

OK fine. Don't want to stick with your HS sweetheart? Want to explore? Fine. Want to go do adult things? Fine, then act like a goddamn adult and realize people don't wait around for you, frozen in time. Realize you are risking losing that person. Don't think you're going to stick them on a shelf like some Disney toy and retrieve whenever you feel like it. And realize someone else may feel differently about your shelf ornament than you do and accept that too.

[@ginger_snapped_]

I'm so glad no one was around to witness my unhinged cackling at Mark's reaction to the MIL trying to breastfeed

[@candypettynettie487]

Omg!!!! 2nd story! I screamed!!!! Wtf?!!! OP's mil is off her rocker! Keep this woman away from the baby. This is beyond grief, this is a psychotic break.

[@ShadowbirdX24]

story 1: i dont think i believe op or V,she has lied multiple times & does seem stalkerish, was jealous of the women he dated...

[@atinyevil1383]

Story 1: I saw this coming a mile away. It's so bad. I hate it. OP needs to not be in a relationship with Vicki. Edit after update: I'm not believing any of this. Idk why OP would believe these things from Vicki. Maybe I missed something and there was physical proof like texts from this time, but to me, it seems like he's just taking what she has to say at face value. Vicki seems spiteful, vindictive, and manipulative. Personally, I think that Vicki has been dangling OP over Gwen's head for most of their relationship and now that they're getting married, it's all in Gwen's face. And because OP and Gwen don't speak, he wouldn't know.

[@mag9sp1]

Also, I think it is very telling that Gwen lives away from her family and only visits them at Christmas and her mom's birthday. Gwen is trying to stay away from this drama but knows that if they marry and have kids she will never be able to move on from this or move on quickly.

[@ajb7530]

1st story, OP, Gwen doesn't own you and she wasn't happy in her relationship with you because she wanted to sew her wild oats before settling down. OP you moved on. You didn't cheat, Vicky is legal age and an adult, so you did nothing wrong. Gwen is just jealous that she messed up. Good advice, when you have found someone amazing, Don't mess it up because someone else will come along and you will lose your chance.

[@Latchkeyclown]

Vicky is creepy and honestly in the events of a divorce, OP better be prepare bc she’ll be the toxic ex who’ll create hell just to get back at him/ his future partners mainly if kids are involved. I honestly would Run 🏃‍♀️

[@JacobDreemurr]

Women who haven been pregnant can produce milk, through stimulation alone. But it takes quite a long time to produce enough milk to properly feed a baby. But doing what she did was disgusting. She's the grandmother, and she's starving that girl. Kind of a moot point to try and latch, if your not suplimenting. But doing it against the parent permission is psychotic!

[@MorganVsTheInternet]

It's just gross and wrong in all the ways, and the grandma is probably menopause age.

[@JayeEllis]

Story 2: NTA - You did exactly the right thing. Get those locks changed ASAP. She has crossed over all sorts of lines here. She may be grieving, but she may also have completely snapped! She needs help; let her family know. You need to protect your baby from her.

[@JayeEllis]

I have no problem with wet nursing in general, but one basic thing is still CONSENT! Unless Baby is starving in an emergency situation where you cannot ask, do not breast feed another person's child without permission. Full stop.

[@loganjoh1]

Story 1: so Vicki was a simp and a stalker who succeeded. Definitely sooner ref flags that OP was ignoring for years.

[@cyrillechristophe9731]

St1: Ex gf is hiding things here Long term relationship -> suddenly affraid to commit and wants to " explore and have fun" before doing so -> wants an open relationship -> relationship going down the drain during the months following his refusal -> she breaks up Brings back the past when he's about to commit to somebody else but she conveniently wasn't trying to win him back and can't remember bc of alcohol. I'm not saying that she didn't wait their break up to have her fun. But a lot of cheaters have been caught while having an awfully similar pattern of behavior...

[@delilahbelle2125]

S1: a 23 year old insisting they've "been in love" with you since they were 14 is not "in love," they're obsessed. There's a difference. How can you possibly build a healthy, mature partnership when you're teenage self put your SO on such a high pedestal? How can you grow together when your teenage brain placed someone in this place of reverence and convinced themselves that there is no one else for them? None of this sounds healthy.

[@mattskag2]

S 2: "My BIL and SIL are calling me ruthless".... good, OP needs to be ruthless when it comes to the health and wellbeing of their child. Mercy will be seen as acceptance and this behavior will only get worse.

[@fullmetalface12]

Story 1. Vicky is manipulative and is a walking red flag. And he has super tinted glasses on and is ignoring these red flags. Also, why would he date his ex's sister. Dude should have just moved on from both of them.

[@romonaelrod7870]

Wow,that last story creeped me out. That woman is nuts.

[@lienemeid]

The breastfeeding MIL made me so incredibly uncomfortable. I'm a huge fan of breastfeeding, I've been feeding my daughter for about 7364 months now (might not be the *actual* timespan but definitely what it feels like 😂) but that's... Absolutely a big no!

[@natashajohnson-pt6lf]

Story 1 the red flags has always been there, Vicki is a controlling, manipulative woman who knew what she was doing. Op is funny he pointed out all the red flags but still don’t see them. He deserves everything his future holds with Vicki smh

[@FlashQuatsch]

Man, the first story reminds me of a drama in my school band. This girl was dating one of the drummers and broke up with him and immediately started dating his twin brother, like wtf, both her and the brother.

[@TheEMC99]

I'm married to my "ex's" sibling. We all grew up together since diapers. I only dated the older brother for about 6-8 months. I'm now married to the younger brother. We've been together for almost 2 decades. We have 5 children together and adore each other. The older brother is married with children as well. We talked a lot about it in the early stages of our relationship. We discussed it a lot to see if we could get passed it. Keep in mind though that physical intimacy wasn't a factor here. After 5 months we found ourselves to be inseparable and have been since. It never affected our families or anything. I'm really grateful for the amazing husband I have. 💗

[@kev2020]

OP felt that it was very wrong to date the little sister. Now he's surprised that it's blowing up in his face? Vickie sounds a little nuts.

[@phatpharm06]

Vicky is a master manipulator. Give it 5 years and we will see how healthy that relationship is. She sabotaged his other relationships. Who knows what strings pulled behind the scenes. I love how Vicky who hasn’t really been honest is more believable.

[@sebastiana.l.594]

Story 1: Gwen was NOT ok with OP and Vicki dating. Gwen was CERTAIN that OP would say no. That's why she pushed her sister to just ask the question, so that she'd be let down so she could move on and find happiness. Gwen tried being the good sister helping Vicki continuing with her life, she was wholly unprepared for OP to agree to date Vicki.

[@AIBot929]

Story 2: NTA they need a stay away order. Trying to get her to latch? How? That's not how that works

[@untiedshoelaces2588]

Story 1: Gwen's heart didn't break when she wanted to go out and ride the carousel, but it's breaking now because she's seeing Vicki living the life she could have had. Gwen didn't love OP and Vicki did. That's the long and short of it. Gwen thought the grass was greener and Vicki knew a good thing when she saw it. Story 2: OP is about to begin the fight of his life with mil.

[@Firstsurugi]

Before I even clicked on this one I thought: You were the one that got involved with your ex's family. You brought this on yourself, whatever it is.

[@rylashadow18]

S1) Vicky is a stalker confirmed. By letting her blindside you on one step she'll forever have you blindfolded until you are willing to see the truth. I hope you don't plan on having kids with this wackadoodle cause if she finds someone else she fancies trust you'll be dropped like a hot plate in the middle of dinner rush time of a over stuffed restraunt. All I have to say is just watch. When Gwen herself upgrades how fast you two start having a "Falling out." S2) Dear lord have her charged. Former MIL is unhinged and needs to be kept far away from your child. I had to rehear the part where she's trying to get her grandchild to breast feed like "Ducking what?" Yes she deserves to be tresspassed. Yes she deserves a protection order against her and yes she deserves to a no contact order against her. Camera's need to go up, a ring door bell needs to be installed and every family member on both sides informed as well as anyone whose going to be watching Sammy be it baby sitter or day care and family you can trust. Change the locks. Change them now. Cause she now has unlimited access and one day you'll wake up with your child missing. Anyone taking former MIL's side is getting told "Accept my boundaries or stay out of my daughter and my life. No other options are on the table." Dear SIL and BIL news flash: Your mother's grief doesn't give her the right to endanger this poor defenseless baby. Again louder just incase you're needing it: *Your mother's grief doesn't give her the right to endanger this poor defenseless baby.* Trust that if it were me and I heard you were taking MIL's side you'd be cut off too.

[@princesspanda12012]

I love that word "wackadoodle" 😂

[@KashyaCharsi]

story 2: OP has already waited too long to kick Payton out, she already got to the 'getting rid of the obstacle with a false accusation'-part.

[@JennRighter]

The red flags Vickie has been waving since she was 17. She chose OP over her sister even when her sister and OP were still dating and Vickie was 17. She kept being friends with OP after he and her sister broke up. She lashed out jealously at women OP was interested in. Then she lied to OP about her sister being okay with them seeing each other. Don’t get me wrong OP is gross for this whole situation. But his apparent obliviousness to how weird Vickie was to her own sister? Just nasty. All around. As someone who is 43 years old and almost exclusively gets hit on by younger guys, and is seeing a 30 year old, this “younger model” thing cracks me up. It’s so outdated.

[@JennRighter]

It’s exclusively reserved for a man choosing a younger woman, the younger model thing. It’s never used talking about an older woman with a guy younger than her. But hey, can’t relate, lol.

[@TiBunCosplay]

V was throwing up a lot of red flags even before OP found out the truth. Finding out the truth uncovered even more red flags, and he's just... staying with her? No, OP, she's not "perfect", she's a manipulator and she's playing you like a fiddle. She's selfish, doesn't care who she hurts while getting what she wants, and there's a high chance that you'll later regret marrying her if you go through with the wedding. You'd be better off cutting ties with the whole family and starting over.

[@Project_Changeling]

1st Story - It's not a AITA post, but it feels like an ESH situation. Vicky gives abuser vibes with the arguments OP stated, Gwen shouldn't really be pushing her sister to date her ex if she wasn't comfortable with it ( and Vicky just seemed really immature, anyway ), and she shouldn't have that conversation with OP about the whole "upgrading" thing ( drunk or not, but kind of a grey area, since Gwen is either not telling the truth or genuinely doesn't remember ), and OP shouldn't have believed Vicky at face value. I am worried about OP, though, since he thinks Vicky is perfect and not some manipulative bastard, when that's...kinda what she is, from the sounds of it. Every other girl that OP had been getting close to, Vicky attempted to put a wedge between them because of her jealousy. Jealousy is fine, and it can even be healthy, but when you're actively trying to ruin other relationships BECAUSE of that jealousy, that's when you cross a line. OP seems to be caught in a web and just doesn't realize it, 'cause I doubt that Vicky just stopped with that kind of shit. I'm not sure how I feel about Gwen, 'cause she doesn't sound like the greatest either. But she's the "lesser of two evils", I guess. Though, OP should just drop the two and leave, honestly. It's not gonna end well, esp with his wife's behavior.

[@princesspanda12012]

I highly doubt that Vicky was honest with OP during their conversation. The whole thing sounds too biased and OP just believing whatever V says even calling Gwen deceitful. OP drank Vicky's Kool aid

[@MaryTheresa1986]

Last story: OP needs to go no contact and file restraining orders against MIL, BIL, and SIL. They are too dangerous to be around OP's child. He should seriously consider moving as far away as possible.

[@vr5966]

Wow just wow I feel so bad for Gwen Her sister sounds toxic AF so does OP and I'm pretty sure Vicki is still lying to him about Gwen encouraging her to confess to him 🙄

[@1911odisea]

You don't own your exes. There was no cheating involved, hell it's been a long time since the break THAT Gwen initiated before they got together. People don't owe you their lives and are free to fall in love. Drunkingly confessing to your sister's fiance, which is what Gwen did, is way, way worse than anything that Vicky pulled.

[@saje239]

@@1911odisea How often do you hook up with your siblings exes? And do you also spend their entire relationship trying to get your siblings SO to get more involved with you? Do you also jump at the chance as soon as they break up before your sibling has even begun to heal? You guys must be so close. I bet family gatherings are great with all the exes being shuffled around among the siblings

[@1911odisea]

@@saje239 Go project your issues somewhere else.

[@1911odisea]

@UCyKiWJKCXFn1TbkLP8E_EOQ It's bad, but Vicky was 14... Given that I'm willing to catch her a break, whereas Gwen was an full-grown adult when she made her messes.

[@vr5966]

@@1911odisea that's not what I'm saying I'm saying that Vicki may be still lying to OP about Gwen encouraging her to confess her love Because in the post Gwen is insecure because Vicki WAS trying to make moves on OP while Gwen and him where dating Honestly if my sibling did that I wouldn't just like encourage them I would stay out of the way and try not go get involved

[@unicornjennie]

S2 NTA get a Nanny, your MIL is trying to replace her daughter with yours. Get your locks changed. Call CPS YOURSELF your MIL is unhinged. Keep her away from your daughter. Get cameras for the house and get a LAWYER.

[@CodyJoel]

“She’s perfect.” Yeah….probably because she stalked you, researched you, and tailored herself to be everything you would like…that shit will eventually get old and her true personality will come out. I don’t feel bad for OP. I think ending up with someone as horrible and deceitful as icky Vicky is EXACTLY who I would want him to end up with, better he doesn’t deserve. This situation is too messy, trashy, and Jerry Springer-ish. If I were Gwen I just wouldn’t have any of these people in my life. Go live your life but it sounds like they’re from a small town where “marriage is everything.”

[@Ambidexter143]

Calling the cops on MIL was a reasonable thing to do. MIL was a danger to the child by not feeding her. MIL would never produce milk not matter how much the baby latched. Also firing the nanny meant that MIL was trying to force OP to be dependent on MIL for child care. A restraining order was justified. SIL and BIL are just angry that MIL got into legal trouble. Too bad for them and her.

[@xReisk]

Man, now we need to wait and see how her MIL confesses her love to OP and then OP realizing he actually loves all of em 🤡

[@markandersen8128]

How about a "Grandma trying to breastfeed" warning.

[@kdesi23]

First story: I think OP wanted the little sister all along

[@sM-ww9zb]

I feel that Reddit never really gives people the benefit of the doubt. They always jump to like, “she’s an evil mastermind who plotted all of this” sometimes things just happen! Sometimes people get what they want, maybe it’s iffy with the sister stuff, but sometimes people just overlook that for the sake of their desires.

[@sr7701]

Nothing about V n OPs relationship 'just happened' tho. Everything after she turned 18 was very intentional on her part if not his. It sounds like both were using him as the prize in a petty war b/w sister who already didn't like each other. OPs just oblivious at best.

[@KforKatze]

First story, the guy sure loves to stroke his ego going on and on about how Gwen lives to regret dumping him and Vicky has been madly in love with him since she was a kid because he complimented her one evening. Insert eyeroll. Besides that, he's an idiot. He keeps defending Vicky and saying she's a good person, but the girl was actively trying to flirt with him (in the childish ways she knew) while her sister was still dating him, not to mention she was a minor and he was already over 18. Not only that, but once he and the sister split up, Vicky threw a tantrum to make sure he wouldn't drop her as a friend, chose a college based solely on where he was, and proceeded to trash talk and mistreat any girl he dated. And this is the woman he claims was "an earnest kid" and grew up to be wonderful and the best relationship ever and yadda yadda? Homegirl is a toxic mess and her values are twisted. The sister/ex Gwen seems only human. She has endured a decade of her little sister trying to get with her boyfriend and then actually getting him. I can't blame her for being "ok and not ok" with it. But the guy should've known better than to date her sister.

[@jamestown8398]

I disagree. Gwen threw away her relationship with OP because she wanted casual sex with other men. To me, that means she forfeited any right to miss OP or to complain about him moving on.

[@EM3SonSon]

​@@jamestown8398 "I wanna be the city's bicycle AND your girlfriend. Oh, you don't agree with it? So bye". Then six months later she still wasn't move on with the relationship that she herself ends. XD

[@EM3SonSon]

"The sister/ex Gwen seems only human. She has endured a decade of her little sister trying to get with her boyfriend and then actually getting him." Gwen say all of this, but guess what she saw too? OP don't giving a shit to Vicky when he and Gwen were together. " I can't blame her for being "ok and not ok" with it." What? Did you forget that was Gwen that break-up the relationship she had with OP to live her life of "girls just wanna have fun"? She would never see shit if she didn't have the attitude to "have the cake and eat it to" when she proposed to have a open relationship. Even worse, she doubled down at the point of herself breaking what she had... Who or when OP dates isn't more her business.

[@jamestown8398]

@@EM3SonSon That's right. She made her bed and now she can sleep in it.

[@msredux]

Yikes op and Vicky deserved each other and I hope Gwen lives a good life away from those assholes. and wait and see when op gets a female coworker, Vicky is gonna throw a tantrum for the ages.

[@1911odisea]

You don't own your exes. There was no cheating involved, hell it's been a long time since the break THAT Gwen initiated before they got together. People don't owe you their lives and are free to fall in love. Drunkingly confessing to your sister's fiance, which is what Gwen did, is way, way worse than anything that Vicky pulled.

[@1911odisea]

@those replying to this are trolls It's definitely not a smart decision, but it doesn't make you a toxic person or a scumbag in any way. Life happens and so do feelings.

[@1911odisea]

@those replying to this are trolls I disagree. People are free to make their own choices, it's extremely backwards to think you have a right to control their sexual lives just because you slept with them at one point or because you are related. That mentality doesn't lead to a nice place. There's no reason to suspect grooming, since there's only a 3 year difference and they only got together sometime after she was an adult. Some OP's make themselves look better, some worse, you really have no way of knowing that.

[@goawayleavemealone2880]

She won't have good life, she'll be a gardening utensil that always wants an open relationship and constantly self sabotages good relationships.

[@abhikb4821]

@those replying to this are trolls do you even know what grooming is? Dating someone you knew as a kid doesn't make it grooming Grooming is brainwashing a child into romance so they can legally date the child once they're an adult. Do you see OP doing that anywhere? Heck, he even shut down V's feelings at first. It's pretty disgusting that'd you'd accuse him something as serious as grooming.

[@notconvincedgranny6573]

Story 1 - he had no idea. Right. Took every opportunity to be around you, even when you dated her sister; scared off other women. Right. That's some manipulative, stalkerish s**t right there. I'm calling bull on the whole thing.

[@47896285pgdfzgnd]

I refuse to believe the mum of the sisters is actually okay with OP dating both of them. I'd be insanely concerned about it. Basic dating rule: your ex's family if OFF LIMITS - especially the family you literally watched grown up. Ew.

[@hothotheat3000]

This is what happens when you bang your way through the family tree.

[@pa-pa-plasma]

Story 1: I get how hard it can be to come to terms with the fact that your partner has like, lied and stuff, that your trust in them is at least partially unfounded but. It's a completely different story when she confessed to being Like That before you even started dating. She was bullying and harassing OP's friends/girlfriends and literally admitted to it, and OP still decided to date her? Not even going to talk about how weird it is to start dating your ex's 18yo sister, that soon after breaking up. Like, it's not a big scary age gap or anything, but OP admitted he viewed her as a kid and started dating her anyways. She's had this kid crush on him for a long time and no one even tried to shut that down or talk to her about letting it go? They just let her play with his dirty laundry?? They just let her borderline stalk him??? And he ACTUALLY STARTED DATING HER AFTER ALL THAT????? That whole situation is weird to me. I can't imagine my older sister breaking up with her SO and then me asking them out a few months later. Even if I had a crush on them, that would just seem so weird and messed up to me. Maybe I just understand boundaries though man Story 2: what the fuck?? what the??? fuckk????? there's nothing about this story that is normal or good. MIL was breaking into OP's house, impersonating his mother, and starving his baby in order to get it to breastfeed. Do I really need to even comment here wtf

[@abhikb4821]

Few months? You mean two years right?

[@pa-pa-plasma]

@@abhikb4821 i dont fuckin know, dude

[@jrod1591]

What a great writer of events! He’s like an Apostle.

[@animelytical8354]

Calling the police was necessary in the second story. She threatened to call CPS. She needs to have it loud and clear that she's in the wrong.