I'm hoping we can move on from this MacBook Pro

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We're looking forward to the possibility that Apple's going to announce their brand new ARM powered 2021 MacBook Pro on Monday. There's a lot of the excitement, and we think it's due in part to what the outgoing MacBook Pro generation was missing. So let's look back at the last five years of MacBook to understand why we're so eagerly anticipating the new one.
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Chapters
0:00 Introduction
0:54 What's glowing "Behind the Mac"
1:43 Reminiscing with an old MacBook Air
2:34 That Butterfly Keyboard
3:50 Thanks Pulseway!
4:20 Thin and Hot
5:05 Trying to plug in
6:18 Touching on the Touch Bar
7:08 Conclusion

[@antonewtr1845]

Still daily driving the MBP late 2012. Removed the CD drive, added a 2nd SSD, maxed out the RAM. Best machine they ever made.

[@ilovepancake3518]

how is the battery ?

[@andreaswil7799]

@@ilovepancake3518 easily swappable

[@goffe2282]

My experience is just that they get so damn slow..... have you gotten around this somehow? I'm genuinely interested.

[@andreaswil7799]

@@riponrip4574 i will buy an M1 machine i the near future or et one for Christmas. We’ll see :) currently laptop-less since my early 2015 macbook broke after falling off the bed :/

[@kerndama]

@@andreaswil7799 By then there will be better alternatives

[@archelonprime]

The mad push for USB Type C might've worked better if Apple also put it on iPhones to replace Lightning.

[@TobiasKremer]

No it would not have. The percentage of the laptop market hold by Apple is just tiny. And HDMI and USB A was around too long and there is to this day too many things that use it.

[@Ebalosus]

Pretty much. As someone said on the Ars Technica forums: _with the iPhone 8 and lightning earbuds, you can’t plug the earbuds that came with your iPhone into your MacBook. WTF?!_

[@JohnSmith-pn2vl]

so 6 billion lightning cables land instantly in the trash?

[@guvkon]

@@JohnSmith-pn2vl no, previous devices still can use them.

[@FernandoAES]

They could have kept the lightning, but should have moved the other end from usb-a to usb-c at the same time. That was the worst.

[@OtakuboyT]

As a PC repair guy I freaking LOVED the mag safe charger. I wish more laptops used something like that. No moving parts and break resistant.

[@peterthepanda]

Apple wanted to push the world to USB-C, yet still keeps their proprietary Lightning connector with it's slow transfer speeds on their best selling products which is the iPhone. 🙄🙄🙄🙄

[@Tom_Stevens617]

There's a difference. Most Mac and iPad users realize the numerous advantages of USB-C over options. However, most iPhone and budget iPad users will probably not know the benefits, and will be more mad at the fact that they'd have to buy new accessories for their devices.

[@Neoxon619]

Now the EU is gonna force Apple to drop Lightning by 2023-2024 depending on when the mandate goes into effect.

[@peterthepanda]

@@Tom_Stevens617 Nah, it's more about those sweet, sweet royalties they get from licensing their proprietary connector, which they can't do on USB-C because it's an open and royalty-free standard

[@fckSashka]

I haven’t used my lightning cable for data transfer in at least 3 years

[@peterthepanda]

@@Neoxon619 They're probably gonna remove the ports on the iPhone altogether rather than use USB-C, but maybe (although it'll be unlikely knowing Apple) they'll give up and switch to USB-C.

[@obentoubako]

As always, this channel has amazing production quality, and in a different way from LTT! Keep it coming :)

[@MD-vk3bj]

This aged perfectly

[@Mana__]

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[@sohamdhiman09]

Did Anyone Notice That in the chapters option the ‘Thin And Hot’ starts and 4:20. Nice😏

[@mk-1901]

Coming back from the event- all your wishes have been granted. Not kind to the wallet but the new MBP line up is about as perfect as it gets.

[@erroll5814]

Except that ugly notch and the.. somehow bulky not good looking keyboard?

[@bertramstier2540]

@@rickyvaldovinos7683 lets wait for independent reviews. And nope, the razer blades are by no means bulkier. The other win Laptop was...

[@mk-1901]

@@erroll5814 the notch is literally a non-issue. 99% of the time the menu bar will have it separated from your content and no one will literally notice it on full screen apps.

[@thalberg-]

@@erroll5814 so… except completely subjective aspects?

[@thalberg-]

@@rickyvaldovinos7683 I think the new MacBooks are actually thinner than past gens

[@halvardlund4782]

Good luck with the filming and editing of the next video. I can see for my very eyes that you guys are working very hard...

[@Kizamime]

Late 2013 mbp here... I have super mixed feelings about the event on Monday. Here's hoping I get an *actual* upgrade from this aging machine and not a "win some, lose some" situation

[@odogedogg]

same, only 2014. i need to upgrade, i am not expecting to get any ports back, nor do i need them. But make something i want, that can realistically take a beetling every day for the next 8 years.

[@utubekullanicisi]

Well, are you happy with what Apple has released?

[@Mrmayhembsc]

Magsafe and sd card read are the things I miss but i love my 2019 16 inch. I still think the touchbar is great and enjoy the amount of usb-c ports

[@learngpt123]

really excited for the reviews keep it up! :)

[@TimVels]

Am not a Mac user but I just love watching Jonathan on this channel with so much information about Apple products! Keep it up guys!

Still clinging to my 2015 MBP. I really hope next week Apple presents my next laptop.

[@houssamalucad753]

Same dude, as much as I love the 2015, I need more performance, especially now that apple fixed their keyboard and M1 compatiblity issues

[@jazzlover10000]

Look for Louis Rossman's approval. Your current laptop is on the 'approved' list.

[@user-qy2wf2lt6v]

In the sma boat as well. 2015 13" MBP. Waiti g fir the new 14" MBP :)

[@Apipoulai]

I still have a MBP 2013. But I am most excited about finally upgrading my 2010 iMac 27”. 🤞that it comes out asap

[@NeilVitale]

I totally skipped over the butterfly/usb-c generation. I'm rockin' a 2014 MBP and have a 2021 14" on the way to replace it.

[@TjFoshizzle77]

I upgraded last year, and I got to say there’s a world of difference between the 16” pro and the Other ones of the generation

[@thevirenhooda]

I have the 2018 15 inch mbp it's great no problem with butterfly till now

[@RobK0304]

I started working at Apple around late 2015. Oh boy how I hated the butterfly keyboard. I found the typing experience weird and couldn't get used to it. The frustrating thing was that the keyboard on the 2015 model was a close to perfect as it could be!

[@PersonSuit]

I had the 2016 mbp and the keyboard really bugged me. The travel was way too short and it took a while to get used to it. Then once I got use to the travel it started double typing things. I traded it for the 2019 16" and have been extremely happy with it.

[@SaltyPenguin255]

As a hardline apple user, it feels good to have our own ltt channel. Love the work man!

[@SB-pf5rc]

as a #neverapple who follows this content, i think it's super cool we're here together. highfive.

[@olsirmonkey]

@@SB-pf5rc yeah! Honestly, i hate brand wars. They make normal content sections so divided and are an honest minefield to navigate

[@toucanroombas]

@@SB-pf5rc this is the way to go!

[@lachlan.mooney]

honestly i love the touch bar, but i see why some need the function keys instead. But it does help me out a lot in day to day use.

[@MichaelMohr725]

I do have one of these which was a hand-me-down so I can't exactly regret it as it was free. But I definitely have my complaints with regards to the keyboard. There was also a faulty cable connecting the display which was a bad enough issue that Apple replaced some models (including mine) for free. As a vim user, I also hated the lack of a hardware escape.

[@TristanBurgener]

Love the content. This channel rocks 🤓

[@usernoname9642]

I'm mainly a PC guy but in 2013 I got the MacBook pro retina and installed windows on boot camp. I am still using that MacBook pro on Mac OS for light tasks like browsing and word. It's a joy to use and the only thing I exchanged is the battery.

[@mikesonic29]

I bought an air this March per your video on it. First time Mac user and I'm never going back to PC! Only two gripes is having to use a dongle and split screen isn't as easy on Windows.

[@SciFiBrony]

When I bought my last MBP in 2016, I specifically bought a refurbished Mid-2015 model specifically because of the Touch Bar and change in IO because as much as I'm paying for a MBP I didn't want to pay even more for dongles and other adapters. After all, ALL of my still perfectly working peripherals use USB-A or Thunderbolt 2.

[@vettekaas]

It reassures me that other people hated those keyboards! I would occasionally tell people I refused to upgrade my Macbook Pro until they ditched their crappy keyboard and most Mac users had no idea what I was going on about.

[@Djuntas]

Good video. I havent watched all your uploads, but this one is great for a non-mac user who follows it a bit.

[@sercasti]

Dude you got all of it right, that is impressive

[@anushandhan8393]

Wow, is this part of the Linus Media Group, bcos boy i must say the quality of the videos production as well as content is on an another level.!!

[@ryutenchi]

Got the first 2016 MBP, have loved it… but did replace keyboard

[@caketbh]

I have a 15" BTO 2017 macbook pro, I've had minor issues with the keyboard but they've been fixable. Works great still and I dont plan on upgrading anytime soon.

[@AndyofCT]

I kind of regret upgrading, but I has been using a 2011 MBP 15” and expected the 2016 would be a quality of life improvement. Instead, it led me to work almost exclusively on my 27” iMac. So I will definitely be upgrading (probably to a 14” if specs are in line) and hopefully untethering myself from the desk.

[@Naviss]

Never got to try the touch bar enough to see if I needed it or really wanted it. Sad to see it go before I'll ever buy one with it!

[@beefmaster7]

Still use my 2012 MBP. Got 16gigs in it and it still feels fine.

[@jjb0894]

I’ve been rocking my 2012 MacBook Air since it launched. I’ve been holding out on upgrading because of what I’d lose, not just IO wise, but also MagSafe. I was beside myself when I saw the new MacBook Pro has MagSafe and knew I had to order one.

[@TheDeathmail]

I still love magsafe more than USB-C... except when I need to keep it plugged in 24/7 on a table where I can't trip over the wire... But I really wish my other laptops had it...

[@EmperorNick136]

Just as a little psa for those with the Touch Bar and hate that you have to hold down the function key to access the functions keys. In the keyboard settings you can swap it around so that the function keys are always present and the default stuff is shown when you hold down the function key

[@human_brian]

I have one of these Macbook Pros in my bag right now. It's a work device so I don't have much choice in the matter but the keyboard is so frustrating to use. It feels horrid and I constantly miss key strokes on it. The touchbar is also useless most of the time so seeing it go would be nice.

[@willphoenix2621]

Still use mid 2015 MBP, might upgrade to this lets hope for best

[@samm6436]

Still rocking 2015 MBPro. Everything about it is just perfect. But would like a refresh , I hope the new ones are worth it 🤞

[@peanutbutterpancake1703]

I have a 2016 15” I loved the design when it first came out but not some of the keys didn’t work right, the battery life was mediocre, it got hot and slowed down, and a few days ago the screen stopped working (flexgate). I’m super ready for M1X!

[@avenged110]

Every time I see the current state of the Mac, I realize how good I have it in my little bubble over here running Mavericks on a 2013 MBP.

[@vezzyyyy]

You’re so lucky currently I run Catalina on a 2015 mbp

[@vslow4795]

I still have one of those 2016 MacBook pros. Hoping to upgrade this generation. Except the keyboard I don’t think there really are issues with it.

[@user-zh7th2ge1c]

I honestly always use the touch bar. In alot of situations it is the quicker option. Only issue for me is when music is playing and i press the button to extend the bar for music options, it doesnt always work. Not until i press something else first. Bit annoying.

[@MarquisKurt]

I got a 2017 MBP (no Touch Bar) a few years ago for college after using an older 2012 MBP my high school provided me. It was alright, and I didn't have the major issues with the Butterfly keyboard (thankfully), but it was starting to show its limitations a little bit, especially this year. I moved over to the M1 Air a few months ago, and I've been really happy with it. The battery life is pretty good considering what I do on it (mostly programming stuff, light gaming, and basic tasks), the keyboard is outstanding and feels much nicer than the Butterfly keyboard, and it performs like a champ. I'm not really bothered by the lack of ports, since it's rare for me to have to plug in multiple accessories at a time or use an SD Card (I still do need my dongle, though, for if and when I need to re-flash my Raspberry Pi's OS). It'll be interesting to see what the next-gen MBP will look like, but really happy with the M1 Air I have now.

[@ryleysmithson]

On my second 2015 MBP - I can’t wait to upgrade, I’m struggling

[@RedN3ctar]

You're a great host and I really like this channels content!

[@jeffsims7386]

I do like my 2020 MacBook Pro (Intel 4-thunderbolt) BUT it's when they finally moved on from the butterfly keyboard and gave us the dedicated esc and power buttons back. I/O could definitely use some help though, the dongle life sucks sometimes. Still appreciate having BootCamp too, a little anxious about upgrading and losing the ability to run Windows if I should need it.

[@Neds_Severed_Head]

Looking forward to seeing the new MBPs, but I'm probably going to stick with my 2015 15" MPB for a while longer, I can't see a reason to upgrade from it.

[@IAmNumber4000]

You know, when faced with the prospect of losing the touch bar, I'm actually going to miss it.

[@ezhilr2324]

Same here

[@therealjamesmccrary]

Same

I love the Touch Bar too.. Hoping the rumours are false, planning to upgrade to Apple Silicon this year..

[@cameronbosch1213]

@ R.I.P. Though I do see why it had to go...

@@cameronbosch1213 I honestly feel a bit dumb for not seeing why it has to go actually.. The touchbar for me is perfectly Apple.. solid implementation, clever features, Function keys reimagined.. I don't understand the "hate" it is getting from a lot of influencers and users..

[@Clangdon0148]

I've got an M1 MacBook Air, I'm looking forward to tomorrow more than christmas with the amount of content it's going to create!

[@piplup10203854]

My dad has one of those macbook pros with the touchbar and I like that. I've used the laptop for several afternoons or trips and it was pretty nice. I might get a laptop but I don't really need one however if it did come back that would be tempting.

[@DjFusion86]

I really hope they bright back the light up logo !!! Maybe make it an option, I would even pay a little extra for it

[@happosai]

I still have the macbook with the butterfly keyboard. Still no errors as of this typing.

[@timg6930]

I have a 2019 16" MBP, and it has been a nice machine. I was close to selling it a few weeks back in anticipation of getting the new 16" M1X (or whatever it will be called) MBP, but I had a change of heart. For the tasks I use it for, it has enough performance that I would be upgrading to just have the latest and greatest tech. I don't want to adopt that mentality. If I had one of the butterfly keyboard MacBooks, I would definitely look to upgrading.

[@brssnkl]

I loved typing on the original butterfly keyboard (but it was loud and keys broke all the time)

[@6sixtysix]

That beat tho!! 0:00

[@ryanw183]

I’ve got an early 2019 15” MacBook Pro which had the last revision of the butterfly keyboards before it went to the new magic keyboard in the 16” model. I’ve never had any keyboard related problems with it. Everything has been perfect on it except it runs very hot with that intel processor….

[@Alwarin1]

I will miss touch bar… I mean I will survive without it, but I grew kinda attached to swiping system settings and would consider paying for it if it was an option (pricing really would seal or break the deal here)

[@hectoreduardofuentealbapel7830]

I own a 16" 2019 (bought for work) and has really big issues, taking me to use it as a "Workstation". Still we Need to turn off the screen with a key combination!!

[@douglasfraporti2168]

I loved every second I had spend with my 2015 macbook pro, i'm living a dongle life having a 2020 Macbook air but the performance improvements worth it 😎

[@meshhra]

Love these videos ❤️

[@jefgirdler7232]

Still rocking my 2015 15" - I'm waiting for M1X because I want to game via parallels and I won't need an eGPU to do it.

[@Marngel]

My brother is still using a 2017 MacBook Air. Even though he does not like the display quality or the thick aluminum bezels around the screen, he loves the fact that he has an SD card slot for his photography and MagSafe, and he intends to keep it until Apple brings back those two things or if his machine just stops working.

[@Jayenkai]

The M1 Air was my first Apple Laptop, and for what I use it for, it's more than enough. I'm happy where I am, thanks.

[@richardcrossley5581]

I have 2015 11 inch Mac Book Air, my son has a 2016 Mac Book Pro. As a software developer I can't use his MBP because of the missing function keys. Many development environments make extensive use of F-keys to provide functionality such as stepping through code a line at a time whilst debugging. The touch bar missed the tactile feedback needed to register a key press. I'm looking forward to see what the latest offerings are in a hope that developers will be catered for.

[@tastymonkey]

Along with my non-mac computers I use a mid-2015 MacBook pro. I am happy with what I'm currently using.

[@Ru1eBritann1a]

I have a 2016 15” MBP. I got it before all the keyboard issues became apparent to most. I don’t mind the keyboard, but I’ve had to replace it once or twice under the extended program. The touch bar bugged out on me once as well and stopped displaying an ever expanding portion next to the Touch ID sensor. I’ll keep this MBP for as long as it lives and then get an M1 air or something like that

[@jriver226]

I have a last gen 15" MacBook pro for work, that I got to replace my glow MacBook pro I was using. As noted the butterfly keyboard is nothing but a fancy version of those cheap blister pads you see out in the world, and the first thing I went to "fix" was the touch bar as I found accidentally hitting a "key" was way to easy in my normal use. That all said, converting to USB C was less of a hassle as I did not over rely my local ports in my work, and was for a while able to get down to a 1 cable dock solution for a bit, until I ran into issues with the reliability with the monitor output, leading me to add a separate power connection. It's nice. I would have 3 cables on the glo for what I do with 2 now

[@colemowery]

As a student / filmmaker who built out most of my setup for the 2018 mbp. Usb C monitors, a camera that connected over usb c, usb c ssds, and eventually an egpu, the only usb a accessory I needed to retrofit was my sd card reader, which I owned because my old camera used CF cards. It’s been a great experience for me, but I’m sure it’s been incredibly frustrating for veteran users. The only thing I didn’t like is the touchbar, and wound up using an external keyboard the majority of the time.

[@enzonenation]

I remember watching this when it released. You got it right, Jonathan!

[@andrecole56]

I got the last gen of Intel MacBook before they announced the M1, and I've liked the touchbar so far. I often need to type in Japanese and it's super handy for switching that. If there's another way to change my text input, I don't know what it is.

[@RyanLennoxBradley]

I love this channel so much

[@henrikwils9323]

No mention of the horrendous full-sized side-arrow-buttons? They made it impossible to move a cursor around without looking at the keyboard first. (I know they fixed that as well though).

[@nicekid99]

been using a macbook pro 2015 since my 2nd year of high school. currently still using it as my main laptop for university, and I'm in my last year now (5th year in uni). it still works well, but it's slowed down a lot and I'm still using the original battery, which has degraded quite a bit. thinking of upgrading in a couple of years, or maybe when they stop giving this model the newest OS updates.

[@TheAJKid]

I honestly fresh installed Big Sur with an SSD Wipe on this 2017 base model (A1708) and it's performing so much better than it ever did. I have an M1 Mac mini maxed out and I'm impressed this little i5 dual core keeps up.

[@KenjiVdusc]

im so on the same page - except the touch bar, hope it dies in pain. Had the very first Retina MacBook Pro - following models did not seem much of an upgrade, but then they started ruining it so i held on to it, still 8 years after service hoping for a worthy successor.

[@RichardCho]

Still want to have the Touch Bar on new MBP as an CTO..

[@robinrai4973]

I can't believe they abandoned the 2015 port layout, replace the thunderbolt 2 with 4 and it's seriously ideal even now!

[@260Xander]

Literally typing this on my 2015 MBP that I refuse to upgrade due to what I'd lose on the newer models. As a pro, the new lineup never really felt 'Pro' with the lack of ports, silly touchbar which as a programmer is annoying asf, just a tonne of things no pro wants to deal with daily. Still looking for a replacement for my 2015

[@SKYZO4]

Mac Address: I'm hoping we can move on from this MacBook Pro Apple: Say no more fam

[@onekoolfella]

Watching this now on a 2015 MBP. Wanted a newer one but for what I do and the problems people reported, I've stuck with what I have with no regrets. Looking forward to tomorrow's event.

[@Okand2]

I had a 2016 MBP as a work laptop and about two years in I finally got a key that started to doubletap, which really really sucks for programming and terminal use. Other than that I liked the feel of the keyboard to be honest. It was great for writing short bursts of text.

[@cederian]

Same. Work gave everyone that did Dev/Ops a MacbookPro 2016, loved the keyboard. The one in the Macbook Air is too squishy for my taste.

[@TorutheRedFox]

it especially sucks when it's a key you use in a game

[@cameronbosch1213]

The problem is it was flawed from the start. One single failure on a key switch and you'll never know when the laptop would double type the key. On a professional (and expensive) laptop, that's a huge no-no.

[@cameronbosch1213]

And making it the ONLY option for an Apple laptop keyboard didn't help when the keyboard would be replaced with another faulty design. And Apple still has at least two class-action lawsuits to face in the U.S. alone because of those keyboards (and rightfully so).

[@williambryant7686]

I am still rocking the 2012 MacBook Pro with an optical drive! I swapped the HDD for an SSD a few years ago (as this was one of the last models to allow for user-based upgrades). Ever since, it feels like a new computer. I will likely drive this one till it dies, then upgrade to an M1X (or whatever they call it) 16".

[@coreymeh8335]

I have a mid 2018 15’ MacBook Pro, keyboard has been fine, the only two things i wish were different were the hot as hell and inefficient cpu… sucks when editing large RAW photos, and no sd card reader. Fix those and the next one will be on my radar. I’ve already made the jump to usb C, so I’m not hurting there. Also my Mac before the 2018 was a late 2013 MacBook Air.

[@eliasp-e883]

My late 2015 MacBook Pro retna’s display just broke on me and this video makes me want to get it fixed and never upgrade 😎

[@jack_da_niels]

Own a 2014 MBP and will not replace it unless the new one has some features coming back. In addition I have a M1 macMini and love this little beast. So performance and temperature should be a problem on a new MBP but worry about connectivity (ports) and reliability (keyboard).

[@Altalus]

There I am, a new Mac user with his MBP 13" M1 and touchbar, and I love it. Lack of ports, yes, but the rest is perfect for me.

[@VaDR3d]

I use a 2012 Macbook Air an it works great still, even though its stuck on catalina

[@adamwrose]

I bought my first MacBook Pro in 2018 with the touch bar. I have not really had a issue. Perhaps it’s because I did not come from the previous Mac. My complaint has been around the battery warnings only a couple of years after usage. I use my Mac for app development and Ableton live.

[@prashank]

I just sent the 2017 macbook pro for keyboard replacement before their free replacement program ends in November. If they introduced another butterfly keyboard for these new ones, I ain’t touching it.

[@sopwerdna]

Got the 2019 MBP as a work laptop and it's fine, but it definitely gets toasty with the i9.... I don't even try to use it on my lap cuz i don't want to get burned!

[@PASRC]

Ive never had any problems with the butterfly keyboard on my 2017 macbook pro. Ive eaten near it, had cats shed near it, took out dandruff near it, still works fine 3 years later.

[@Permafry42108]

I'll probably try a Mac sosumi vm on my frameworks laptop at some point and compare it to gnome 41 and kde plasma;

[@thedarkfighter9942]

love your vids

[@ov3rkill]

Hopefully, this channel will cover the livestream later.

[@metalsoup6950]

I got the M1 pro coming from the mid 2015 15" retina and i must say i've been loving this little guy. I refused to upgrade up until this point because I knew all of the IO I'd be loosing.

[@TheDirtyPhil]

Am i the only one liking the touch bar on the mbp m1? I use better touch tool and I frickin love the bar and use it all the time.