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Apple's M1 chip released last year to much fanfare, but it mostly saw deployment on small, efficient form factors such as the MacBook line and more recently, iPad Pro. But is an M1 in an iMac a bad thing? Does it need a more powerful chip? We submit that it doesn't as we're replacing our $10,000 Mac Pro with an M1 iMac. The M1X and M2 are sure to release soon but in this video we don't know if they're strictly necessary for our-or most-workloads. We know it sounds nuts so let us explain...
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[@Arun-ix4kf]

You nailed Oct 2021 chip announcement months ago! Jade C-Chop = M1 Pro; Jade C- Die = M1 Max

[@thegoodguyalwayswins]

Okay but what about Jade 2C-die and Jade 4C-Die

[@calif94577]

@@thegoodguyalwayswins that’s for the Mac Pro

[@calif94577]

Funny thing is his “don’t buy more computer than you need” comment applies to me right now about to buy the MBP M1 Pro 😂

[@PackardKotch]

@@thegoodguyalwayswins probably coming some time next year

[@shade1747]

@@thegoodguyalwayswins he did say that they might come next year.

[@jandoeseverythingde]

I don’t know why but I’m always looking forward for Quinn’s reviews. They’re just different

[@alihashemian3418]

cause he's the Quinn

[@HimanshuGhadigaonkar]

Yes.. he actually lets us know how much faster a Mac is with respect to another mac

[@gyannunez]

They’re Snazzy

[@powerspeakernow]

He "thinks different" and is super unique for a tech channel👍🤩

[@prudvi01]

They always feel genuine

[@mm-hl7gh]

Before m1: my mac pro is so blazing fast and it does everything with ease and everything just works. Since m1: i sold my mac pro, because it sucked and was soooo slow and was struggeling wirh everything.

[@judichristopher4604]

(I am so new to all of this) I have had the 17" MacBook Pro Laptop for 11 years... (Please stop laughing). LOL I am a writer... didn't need very much... until NOW... I am starting to write Screenplays... so I am not up to date on what MacBook Pro can do... I will also be using Final Cut Pro... So... What did you (exactly) mean on your comment about the M1... I'm confused, did you like it or not... but why did you SELL your MacBook Pro? Thank you for your help.

[@tvst7856]

He literally never said it sucks

[@judichristopher4604]

@T T Yes I do need a replacement... (my computer is 11 years old) (Laughing...) Thank you so much for this great information. BUT.... should I buy 2021 or later... I really need to have Final Cut Pro and Final Draft on it.

[@MarcosElMalo2]

@@judichristopher4604 if you need it now, buy it now. All the M1 Macs are pretty great (but each has different buying strategies and considerations). If you don’t need one right now, it doesn’t hurt to wait. It sounds like you need a new Mac now or soon, so might as well jump (after doing your research). If it sets your mind at ease, there’s a return window, so if new Macs are released within 30 days, you can return your purchase and buy the the newer one.

[@judichristopher4604]

@@MarcosElMalo2 Good to know... Thank you so much for taking the time to give me all this great information. I'm not in a super big hurry, because right this minute I'm finishing up Refurbishing a huge Class A RV... In my other life.. I "Flip" RVs (they seem to find me, this is my 25th one! I am 66 and hopefully, this will be the last one to "Flip"... I may buy later a little later... I keep hearing that I should wait until after summer? I have no idea what is coming down the pike... Is something new happening again? I do agree with you, if need be I can get the 2021 iPad Pro... My daughter has one and loves it, but she also says there is need for a MacBook Pro too... like FCP. I have totally enjoyed my 17" MacBook Pro for the last 11 years... but it is time to get something better LOL

[@theslowmoguys]

I had no idea you could swing it around with 1 hand. Such a funny visual 😂

[@DarkPa1adin]

I was expecting his wrist to sprain.

[@Michaelc136]

Go to an Apple store and pick it up, it’s truly light

[@Google_ME]

Can we Expect A Slow-mo Ejecting The Mac Power Cable Without Tripping It.. :-) Short in 8K At Least.. With a Raw FIle Downloadable Link.. I want To Test my M1 Capabilities..

[@ColtonBlumhagen]

It's just under 10 pounds.

[@yangzone7773]

Easy to damage screen that way... thumb pressure.

[@arax20]

I don't think even "normies" would leave a stationary desktop plugged in with the power cable trailing over a walking area

[@annjrue]

To me, the magnetic power cable is more of an ease of use thing. How often have you tried to plug in a power cable to a display before and have it go in, but only kind of, and you flip it around, but it was right before, but was it right before? It trades compatiblity with convenience, kinda like a reverse of MagSafe, switching from the proprietary to make it more compatible. Personally, I'd rather have just a DC barrel plug, since there's no way you're fitting a power adaptor in that iMac. But I get the appeal.

[@pacifico4999]

@@annjrue Also, the computer is so light that the force of plugging a standard cable is probably enough to move it. So, in typical Apple fashion, they over-engineered a solution to a mildly annoying problem.

[@annjrue]

@@pacifico4999 Definetly! Though I do appreciate that they included Ethernet in the high end model to create the unified look at the back.

[@bentosan]

I’m not sure why there is such a big fuss over an over engineered power cable? Can someone fill me in?

[@pacifico4999]

@@bentosan I don't think it's a big deal, it's just curious. Though I would appreciate if external power bricks for desktops don't become a trend.

[@sherlockmaverick]

"I ran out of air." *Proceeds to drink WATER.* SMH

[@MitchMatrixx]

Came here to say that exact same thing! Thank you 😆

[@jalabi99]

Theory that Quinn is from Atlantis: *confirmed*

[@MitchMatrixx]

@@jalabi99 Explanation checks out.

[@SpinneretteAlex]

@@jalabi99 this is aquaman's side job

[@YouTuber-jz5nd]

He was sucking in air and you can't tell me otherwise...

[@e2rqey]

I still would absolutely love so see what would happen if Apple ever took gaming seriously as a market. They are probably the only company who could force themselves into the console market and take significant marketshare. Their vertical integration strategy would work just as well with consoles as it does with smartphones, smart watches and computers. They also have the money, talent and expertise needed to make one hell of an SoC for games. I don't use any Apple products but I've been following their graphics development for the M1 and M1X very closesly.

[@jsebrech]

Apple does take it seriously, they are the biggest game in town when it comes to gaming revenue. Their iOS gaming revenue is more than double sony's playstation revenue. Their main play right now is two-fold. Hardware-wise they're trying to make sure everything they sell is ready for casual gaming by having a powerful enough GPU in even the lowest end of devices they sell. Software-wise they're trying to learn from apple arcade to figure out what works well, and evolving and growing that catalog, while at the same time keeping their hand firmly in the cookie jar of all other game developers shipping on apple platforms (see also: Epic v Apple). What Apple doesn't take seriously is making their own games, or making their own AAA gaming platform, probably because the ROI just isn't there. To go head to head with microsoft and sony they'd need to sell higher end hardware at a loss just to get the same cut from game developers as they're already getting now.

[@itsasadbunny]

@@jsebrech He's referring to non-casual gaming if you want to call it that, a game like god of war or horizon zero dawn or rainbow six siege just does not compare to candy crush or any other apple arcade game. Apple does so well in "gaming" because mobile games are so much more accessible and most people will play some games on their phones. while gaming at home on a ps5 or pc not nearly as many people do which is why sales look lower, but if you directly compare actual gaming sales on both Apple has nearly 0 because they don't really have any games on their systems, besides a few ports (which usually are several years too late and poorly optimized compared to pc). Apple's gpu hardware is also very unimpressive because we have been comparing it to igpu's not actual gpus that people are interested in using for gaming. So really we have to wait and see how the upcoming 16core and 32 core gpus actually preform and whether apple will allow xcloud on ios and start buying gaming companies only then will they actually be taking gaming seriously, right now they clearly are against "real" gaming.

[@Jivsyt]

Except for the fact that if they did their consoles etc won’t be as good Sony’s etc and even if they made gaming PC’s and even if they were as good they would just charge ridiculous prices for their consoles, gaming PC’s etc

[@user-ky9ou5dz9q]

@@Jivsyt they wouldn't even touch Microsoft.

[@user-ky9ou5dz9q]

Apple could never break into the console space in a million years. They are incapable of making products with value for the money. You think they would have made the series x and charged 500 for it? HA! and they'd make damn sure they have a strangle hold on development just like they do on iOS. Which would not fly in the current gaming space. Non casual gamers, have no respect for apple in that way. They are already hyper on edge and ready to go after any dev or platform for the tinest if things. Apple is completely incapable of navigating something like that. They'd be more hated than ea within a week.

[@pranav1286]

when everyone (almost) had the same opinion and/or take on the iMac, Quinn's was far more user-centric, and not just based on "video rendering times" like seriously, why do all the tech people have to compare a computer's power to its video rendering times!? Great Review!

[@tostadorafuriosa69]

Because they are video editors. Its their use case.

[@pranav1286]

@@tostadorafuriosa69 and also consumer tech product reviewers.

[@tostadorafuriosa69]

@@pranav1286 Its a good way to to see performance. Most people using an imac wont probably edit videos. They are going to be used for simple computing tasks which this machine does them perfectly.

[@rbjk]

0:13 imagine accidentally deleting the channel just for a 3 second gag in a video.

[@snazzy]

You gotta live life on the edge.

[@rbjk]

@@snazzy I know you didn’t click it and it’s just an overlay 😉😂

[@mxvia.]

Probably did it on an alt account, or I'd assume there's a pop-up asking "Are you sure".

[@rbjk]

@@mxvia. he just added an overlay in post. You can see that the cursor also gets darker.

[@mxvia.]

@@rbjk I thought you meant being on the page altogether and hovering over the button not actually clicking it.

[@michaelhunt2747]

When he picked up that water bottle I had an LTT Store flashback.

[@stuffandthings5276]

I literally thought Quinn was selling water bottles for a second

[@N0N0111]

You guys are sheeps.

[@tiisetsomosala9889]

@@N0N0111 We are sheep, not sheeps.

[@snjert8406]

@@tiisetsomosala9889 dang right.

[@ciemny_awootism]

@@N0N0111 well basically we are ALL sheep, not sheeps

[@Richmondthefish]

If you're replacing your 1.5 year old Mac Pro with this machine then you never needed a Mac Pro to begin with. It seems like every KZbin channel is posting the same variation of this video which is a classic sign of the Mac Pro never remotely made sense for KZbin creators(outside of getting views because you had one).

[@brucemacintosh5755]

To right mate, what a joke!

[@kevin_mitchell]

13:46 MagSafe - You don't really want the power to disconnect too easily on a desktop, as opposed to a laptop that has battery backup.

[@mikec4782]

Yes! This!

[@midleno8364]

Except it doesn't disconnect easily

[@shapelessed]

Here's the thing... The MagSafe on laptops is so easy to detach because you can tilt the cable, at which point magnets lose the majority of their attraction. The iMac MagSafe is made in a way, that only lets you pull the magnets away. You can not tilt them and pull at an angle, at which point it's extremely hard to pull apart easily. Just try pulling a magnet off your fridge without slipping your finger under it and tilting it.

[@kevin_mitchell]

@@shapelessed I guess the thing with MagSafe on desktops vs laptops is that with desktops, the cords are usually tucked safely out of the way anyway, so the magnet would be more of an ease of use function as opposed to trying to align pins and so on. But the counter to that is how often would the cord need to be disconnected and reconnected on a desktop anyway.

[@leonugraha]

Meanwhile here, me reading the job posting that Nelson posted in the description...

[@WarriorsPhoto]

Are you going to apply?

[@sherlockmaverick]

You'll be missed, Derek!

[@awesomeferret]

Hey Derek it's me Derek.

[@HungryTheologian]

Very refreshing to hear a review that actually takes into account the ways that most people use their computers!

[@mightymofoyoung]

I was using a G5 for Graphic Design, nearly 20 years ago. This machine is more than capable for professional use.

[@cadriver2570]

I sold my iMac Pro for the M1. It’s better for my usage, quieter, and doesn’t heat up my entire studio.

[@SchnuckySchuster]

I was not to happy to learn that the 3300€ MacBook Pro I bought not too long ago was completely worthless with the introduction of the M1 chip.

[@msandersen]

@@SchnuckySchuster Not worthless if it actually does what you need; it just won’t be the new Shiny. Or for video editing, as fast. Or have as good a battery. Like all day and then some. Or run as cool… aw, crap!

[@MarcosElMalo2]

@@SchnuckySchuster lol, how can you say it’s worthless? It still runs as well as the day you bought it, I imagine. I suspect you’re just an idiot troll that has never been within 5’ of a Mac, but I could be wrong.

[@MarcosElMalo2]

I imagine the cooler running chip is extremely important during the heatwave CA is now experiencing. 😫

[@cadriver2570]

@@MarcosElMalo2 it makes a big difference! I wouldn't go back to a non-M1 machine.

[@joniquealexander1135]

Preach! I keep saying everyone does not need a pro pc. But youtubers act like everyone is editing video and photos when they are simply not.

[@mendodsoregonbackroads6632]

I really had to get honest with myself about what I do with a Mac. I’m running a Home Business, and sometimes make video. This new iMac will do that just fine. I actually question weather I even really needed to replace my 2012 Mac Mini. The three justifications I use are fewer cables will be involved in my cramped office setup (legit justification) I will be able to run the latest OS again (legit justification) I will be able to “effectively” edit the occasional video on a Mac. (A little less justified because I can do that quite well on my iPad Pro)

[@Gilamath.]

People will spend hundreds of dollars extra on pro tech because they want the perceived added utility, but then can’t afford the additional tech that would have actually given more net utility. Like, I could’ve bought the MacBook Pro last year, but instead I bought the Air and a HomePod Mini. I still saved money, met my computer needs, and the HomePod has given me more value than a set of fans in my laptop would’ve

[@joniquealexander1135]

@@Gilamath. ohhh I have been considering a HomePod! But I can’t decide. I did the same thing as you. I find it better to buy the mid range model and get the Apple accessories I really want. I love a lot of tech youtubers you do learn a bit but some of them just promote FONO for an item they don’t use/need and then return. Yet they have viewers thinking the base model and I have seen this can’t handle office needs.

[@Amusia727]

Reminds me of people buying 8+ core CPUs and 3080s when they only use them for Minecraft and LoL

[@christophercrawford2736]

@@joniquealexander1135 I just got a HomePod mini a few days ago. So far I like it, but my HomePods sound infinitely better.

[@dftknight]

I love how you come at these tech products from a different angle and are more willing to discuss the science. Please keep doing videos like these!

[@zollotech]

Spot on and great review.

[@snazzy]

Thanks Aaron!

[@cossieboy]

Hi

[@RootSystemHash]

Am I the only one hearing Erin from Zollotech?!

[@atisbasak]

@@snazzy I'm an excellent video editor. Will you hire me?

[@Tommyfrommyspace]

try some 6k stuff

[@tubularap]

7:14 - Did you really held up the iMac with your thumb on the screen ?? I know it is lightweight, but if the screen can withstand that thumb-pressure, I am impressed.

[@snazzy]

Yeah the screen is mega sturdy.

[@tubularap]

@@snazzy - Thanks for replying. Then I am truly impressed with the strength of the screen, and the whole 'sandwich' that was between your fingers. In the tear-down we can see it is a stack of solid materials, no air gaps. That prevents flex. One reason to make it thin ... with chin ;-)

[@MaxKissler]

To be fair, the newer versions of Resolve automatically generate optimized media so it's no surprise that most devices can playback 4k footage regardless of codec.

[@PaulBradfordTech]

Quinn's ability to break down these complex subjects into an easily digestible format while still being entertaining is unmatched in tech KZbin. Love the direction this channel is headed in!

[@NithinJune]

"and then putting this formula into Wolfram alpha because doing math is lame and hard" Me taking the AP Calculus test tomorrow: yep

[@robertopontone]

Thank you for bringing reasons and science in the conversation, too many youtubers discuss industrial decisions like if it was the game of thrones.

[@Screaming-Trees]

I have a M1 Mini in a 16gb/2TB configuration that's used for music production. I think Apple unwittingly made a computer that's perfect for music. It's quiet and runs cool. It sips power. It's cheap but its single core performance is second to none. Battles Ryzen 5950x for single core crown. In music production single core performance is king. Multicore is far less relevant. We've never seen this much performance with zero noise at this price point. It embarrasses my 27" fully loaded 2020 i7 iMac. The only downside right now is software hasn't quite caught up yet. Avid hasn't released a native version of Pro Tools for example and a bunch of other developers are dragging their feet as well. Other than that the M1 is the perfect balance of everything for music production. Film composers probably want to look elsewhere though but they're the only demographic that might be limited by memory limits in the M1. Great times to be alive if you're a music producer/composer. And great review :)

[@Anderson-hi9qw]

Everyone: "WWDC will have new chips" WWDC: 😐

[@JuiceBlack]

Loooooool so true 😂🤣

[@LarryRichelli]

@@JuiceBlack WWDC just happened.....no chip!

[@Anderson-hi9qw]

@@LarryRichelli 🤣

[@raveenbikha]

Lol people who knows: wwdc is a software conference no hardware

[@deanjordan6053]

@@raveenbikha But WWDC 2019 had hardware.

[@emjay9733]

Great explanation of the upcoming SoCs. I was wondering what the "chop" meant!

[@laloajuria4678]

4:50 622 is not a 3.7% increase. its 4.1X more than 150.

[@roberto8650]

It's not 4.1x more, it's 3.146666... x more. Relative difference is (new-old)/old.

[@user-go5vw2sn7b]

It is. Compared to 600 (150 x 4). Why x4? Because 99 mm is about 4 times less than 360 mm.

[@snazzy]

So, you have to remember that the quarter size chips are significantly less powerful-4 are equivalent to a single big chip If you take 150 big chips and multiply by 4, that gives you 600. The quarter sized chips yield 622 on a wafer because of their more efficient size along the wafers rounded radius. All things being equal, you get 22 more usable small chips (equivalent to 5 more big chips) or a 3.7% total product increase.

[@Arie_vds]

@@snazzy You really shouldve explained that step, as it confuses and distracts the viewer alot.

[@laloajuria4678]

@@snazzy hrm, that was not explained well at all. ty for clarifying.

[@SWOBIZ]

Did I miss the part where he explains why he’s selling his Mac Pro?

[@mjjf8297]

Can’t wait for your next Smart home / home improving / homeserver build / home network / home security video!!! Keep the great work 🆙

[@thanatopsis70]

I can't imagine selling my 2019 Mac Pro for an iMac. Anybody who does that didn't need the Mac Pro in the first place and could have gotten the 27" iMac. The M1 might be impressive, but professional audio programs like Pro Tools and Digital Performer still don't work with it natively, if at all. And who wants to be out a whole computer just because the display dies? Not to mention I have 3 displays that are all larger than 24". Plus the Mac Pro has tons of PCI slots I use for extra SSD and M.2 storage, audio converters, extra graphics cards, etc. After living with the ash tray tube Mac for 5 years, I'm glad to have everything besides the displays in one box. The iMac certainly isn't all-in-on for pros, who would have a dozen hard drive cases and PCI boxes surrounding it, as with the Tube. The M1 iMac just can't compete.

[@nuclearpoweredbrain2211]

I like expansion, but it's overrated in most cases. Per some benchmark results I saw, only the Intel i9 outperforms the M1. I gotta have portrait mode, and the quip on ports on the Mmini is a good point. As much as Apple tried, still need SD and USB-A.

[@arushh42]

shut up

[@Kreska0]

Exactly he is selling it because he never had a need for one ... It's just a stupid click bait...

[@CirclesandSounds]

I have the decked out M1 mini, and for 4K 60p editing, music production, mixing and mastering, it’s amazing in my opinion. No complaints except for the IO, which is pretty easy to work around with some nice hubs and partnered expansion attachments.

[@hugazo]

Fun fact: i have an m1 mbp, 16gb model. In my new job they are handing me a 16” mbp, and I’m sad that can’t use the m1 for the job

[@dannnnnny]

This is such a good review!! Good work~

[@dennistetrault9832]

Love this! Thank you for all the info!

[@harshitsingla]

so you finally finished the edit , Hey This edit is amazing

[@AuSom3]

Your videos are so unique! I love looking forward to your them :D

[@palpal14]

Thank you for bringing up the screen reflection. Even if it was brief, I really wanted to find out the information but no one else talked about it.

[@domenicpolsoni8370]

I'm a primarily PC user (also work in Linux and occasionally on MacOS) and I still can't believe how incredible these new iMacs and MBP's are. The iMac in particular is a beautiful piece of engineering. Having said that, I'm looking for a new laptop and I'm very excited about the Framework series of highly customizable laptops. The idea that I can upgrade my laptop to that degree is mind-blowing to me. Anyway, keep up the exceptional work!

[@MadameSomnambule]

I never thought I'd be wanting to get into the Apple architecture, but the M1 chip has definitely got me to look into it.

[@djsnowpdx]

-Draws 10x more power -Costs 8x more -Is 50% faster Intel’s Ryan Shrout would call that the superior product, A PC differentiated by its great gaming experience!

[@lenn55]

I used to watch Ryan's videos before he went to intel and really enjoyed his stuff but he's a hardcore Windoz/x86 fanboy that now gets paid to push Intel chips. Also remember he's a gamer and Windoz machines and consoles are the only way to play tier 1 games.

[@tonyburzio4107]

Yet.

[@DerekDavis213]

Mark you forget the most important thing: Mac Pro runs TONS of x86 software used in design, engineering, finance, science, gaming, etc. M1 Mac runs an ARM processor, from a cell phone.

[@user-po8vd5gp5w]

If you use M1, you trade compatibility for performance. Remind you Alderlake is coming

[@DerekDavis213]

@@user-po8vd5gp5w Ryzen chips offer the HUGE advantage of x86 compatibility, and yet are very fast and affordable. No need to 'trade' anything. M1 Mac gives Apple more profits and more control. But Apple customers get the *SHAFT* .

[@himalayagarwal]

I get to learn something new in all of your reviews! They’re not just opinions.. and if they are, they’re backed by really strong research. Loved that point on how most youtubers gauge devices just on video editing that shit’s getting pretty annoying.

[@AhmadNazirAfiq]

A completely different take on iMac reviews and I actually learned something from it. Keep it going 👏

[@ericdraven7857]

I want a “pro” product but I honestly don’t require a “pro” product. I might have the new M1 MBP but it’s a near perfect computer for me.

[@jonasverlo]

Dude, I agree. Been doin “pro” work on the M1 MBA for the last six months with no hiccups 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@eddi3401]

@@jonasverlo I’m waiting for a new Mac mini with the new chip

[@vidagogo9829]

I went from the 13” MacBook Pro to the M1 MacBook Air. A step up in tech with a step down in price.

[@seanc.5310]

@@jonasverlo same. The M1 is massive leap forward

[@ericdraven7857]

@@jonasverlo I thought about getting the MBA but I couldn't help going with the MBP because the Air I have is just bad compared to M1. Once I got the M1 MBP, I knew where the problem was and it was with Intel. I still love this MBP and it should last me a long time. I think the only question will be is how long I can get the battery to last.

[@Christi3443]

As a software engineer, I'm really excited about the new Macbooks. Until now, I always had to buy the most expensive and biggest Macbook if I wanted the best CPU. Since the M1, however, the CPU no longer seems to be a criterion for Apple to differentiate the devices from each other. So for the first time, I could get a smaller Macbook for significantly less money than the larger models and still get a very powerful CPU.

[@Christi3443]

@@midjetville Incompatible Docker Images are also my biggest concern. Fortunately, I rarely rely on VMs. My planned workaround is to set up the VM / Docker on a remote machine, rsync the files and let the remote machine do the Intel-dependent jobs. But I get that that’s not a solution for everyone and even for me it seems annoying and only worth it if the new ARM chip is significantly faster than a used 16” i9 MacBook.

[@Vamosalabaralrey]

Apple going to release the successor of M1 and you going to buy it isheep.

[@servantbyday]

@@Vamosalabaralrey Man, who cares.

[@krbtube]

Well done. Really nice to see a review that acknowledges video editing isn't the #1 use case for macOS users! I do heavy iOS development in Xcode & Adobe CC work (only occasional video work)....for me the M1 iMac is 15% faster than the $5K iMac Pro I was using for Xcode--which is my most important workload. Switched to M1, and the trade-in offer from Apple zeroed out the cost of the top-tier M1 iMac config I ordered...what a no brainer! The more space/move the screen a few inches closer trick is totally legit.

[@bigjayproductions1340]

I agree Quinn. Great video. I have an M1 MacBook Pro and totally impressed with its capabilities. I would recommend highlighting the 16 GB memory as almost a required upgrade.

[@anata.one.1967]

3:28 Snazzy Lab actually show assembly level language (*.asm) while talking about processor language. I am impressed.

[@AsSiMiLaTeD77]

I still think the Mac Mini is the ideal product in their lineup. It’s about as fast and is just so much more flexible

[@aribloch]

And much cheaper

[@CalvinsWorldNews]

And you can hook it up to a 42" television to get a massive display if you have multiple windows open. My favourite system is still probably my 2012 Mac Pro in the basement hooked up to a big Bang & Olufsen tv. The oder Mac Pros can take 4 SATA drives which means 20 TB of hard drive space, my own personal media station.

[@DerekDavis213]

An ideal product would have fast GPU, and offer RAM or SSD upgrades. Mac Mini offers none of those things.

[@CalvinsWorldNews]

@@DerekDavis213 when I have some time I want to revisit that Nano hackintosh that Quinn did last year. There’s some super powerful small computers that are an OSX install short of being perfect

[@lecosmerenaut]

It’s actually exactly as fast lol

[@LoveTech]

What a nice review. I like it. Immediately subscribed! Thanks for all the info.

[@zacksstuff]

My big issue with the M1 is the fact that you can't drive 2 external displays through a Thunderbolt dock on the laptops, which I'd need to integrate it into my current setup. The previous Intel laptops could do it, but it seems to be a limitation of the IO lanes on the M1. If that were solved with these pro chips, and I could get it in a 13 or 14" MBP, I'd be onboard.

[@cleanycloth]

After using my M1 Air, which is my first modern Mac, I fell in love with it. So much so that I'm still thinking of replacing my NUC (which I bought because of your hackintosh video on it!) which I now use as a file server with an M1 Mini. I love macOS and the hardware is getting even better.

[@lenn55]

I'm still waiting to see what the replacement for the 27" iMac looks like. If it's too expensive then might just go for either the rumored M1z/M2 mini or the 14" MBP and use an external monitor.

[@_nebulousthoughts]

Yeah that's what I'm thinking too

[@TanmaySankolli]

Apple and Expensive are synonyms soooo.......

[@aeriumfour6096]

I'm still using a 2012 base model iMac as a storage server, and have done since 2015. I've never really thought about replacing it because until now, there wasn't a good OSX-based alternative with better storage speeds that could drive the amount of storage it is plugged into with decent network speeds. I was actually really excited for the new iMac, it's so heartbreaking to see it only has Gigabit networking because that is the greatest bottleneck in my workflow, I really hope we get a faster network bus native in an OSX device soon.

[@WilliamSuan]

excellent video. made me reconsider my purchasing habits, and I learned a lot about the new macs. earned yourself a sub and like.

[@synonys]

Better to offload the $10k machine before it becomes obsolete in a week or so.

[@theartemis5687]

There’s just one thing I don’t like about this iMac, and it is that it doesn’t come in space grey with black bezels.

[@davidzwitser]

That's probably reserved for the pro's

[@bizmonkey007]

You can get a skin for the bezel, if it really bugs you

[@joebonsaipoland]

Paint it yourself

[@mariozenarju6461]

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[@christophercrawford2736]

Same, but then I saw them in store and they actually look really good. I’m just not a fan of pastels though.

[@tekjoey]

Great video. Love the chip tangents.

[@erg7732]

Hey Quinn, Quin here - great video. I've been using the M1 MacBook Pro (8GB RAM) since a couple of weeks after release and I am still baffled that it destroys my desktop Ryzen chip! Great video again.

[@arm8636]

What ryzen is that? And where does it destroy it,by what margin?I'm genuinely curious.i have a m1 air and previous had ryzen 7 4800h laptop,and yes it's better but i can't rly say it freaking destroys it lol

[@zephram75]

Great review. Finally upgraded my 2010 15” MacBook Pro with the M1 version, and couldn’t be happier. My desktop is a late 2013 i7 3.5 and it’s fine for audio and video editing because I can wait for a render. Look like the new desktop will be what I get next year though. As for the stand, I found a great repurpose for an original apply tv. Pop it under the stand for an extra 2 inches of height 🤣.

[@fingerstylefunkable]

Last month I switched from a i9 64gb pc to a 16 gb m1 for a primary audio composition computer. I had a defective video card and it was cost prohibitive to replace because of the surge in pricing. I think your spot on with the “do you really need a pro computer?”. I’m running Cubase and plug-ins through Rosetta, and I have to mix down virtual instruments to audio to work within my memory limitations, but it runs fast. It runs much faster than my I-9 windows 10 pro machine. When we get native apps, The performance is going to be amazing. Because I converted most of my internal workstation storage to external thunderbolt three storage, now instead of looking at expensive full system upgrades I’ll just buy another Mac mini every three years. Instead of a a complete hardware upgrade cycle, I’ll just replace the Mac Mini. Hopefully they’ll be on those new chips with higher memory support so I can use more virtual instruments. The workflow I have now is very similar to the workflow I had 10 years ago. I’ll upgrade and change out hardware as necessary for the external components, Raid array, audio interface, etc,but until my existing hardware is unsupported there’s no reason to change it. Just my $0.02, ymmv.

[@louiscyfear878]

_So basically you just found out that you're not a music producer and didn't need those licensed sound cards with the licensed studio software...🙄_ I know the struggle my friend.

[@snazzy]

RME says what

[@louiscyfear878]

@@snazzy It's a joke. If you're not a sound engineer you don't need the cheese grader. Ha!Ha!

[@berndkiltz]

@@louiscyfear878 The only Reason the M1 is not so good for Audio Production YET is the Software Companies not updating der Stuff to Native M1. Expect RME of course. My M1 Macmini is stellar for Video Editing, but 40% of audio plugins have little hichkups

[@elvehornacekacevedodelgado7353]

@@louiscyfear878 I’m a sound engineer working with m1 Mac mini in Logic Pro X, but I understand your point, if you are a Pro Tools HD user, then yeah, that’s definitely a problem for now.

[@fingerstylefunkable]

@@berndkiltz I’m using Cubase 11 Pro, Wavelab 10 Pro, and plugins/suites from Izotope, UVI falcon/synth anthology , Fabfilter, Arturia, Soundtoys, Spitfire Audio BBCSO Pro/Eric Whitacre Choir/Labs, and NI Komplete. The only thing I really experience any problems in is with massive X not working and some minor weirdness with some of the native instruments plug-ins. Everything else seems to work. I can’t load as many virtual instruments with only 16 GB of memory, but it’s a Mac Mini. I’m definitely getting my moneys worth I can’t wait for native applications.

[@pidgett]

Honestly, my first thought when I saw the new 24” iMac was, “Those colors are lovely, and oh cool, it has space for my sticky notes at the bottom!” XD It amuses me how much people freaked out over the ‘chin’ and the bezel color. I had planned on getting my aging parent one after they were announced, and thanks to this I know for sure it can handle some typically more intense workflows, so I think I’ll get one for myself too (though I might get myself the VESA mountable version). Thanks for the insight, Quinn!

[@arm8636]

I don't rly understand how a chin,being ugly or not,should bother pro users?

[@servantbyday]

@@arm8636 That's cuz it shouldn't.

[@arm8636]

@@servantbyday Makes total sense

[@tiegideon9816]

@@arm8636 because people don’t want things that they think is ugly?

[@sandgroper1970]

I have seen mock ups of the M1X/ M2 chipped, Mac mini, I do like the M1 macs, but the lack of ports is the Achilles heel . Now if the mock ups are correct and the prices are reasonable for specs I would consider replacing my big box pc with one and getting like a raid external drive set up and re using the drives in the old pc.

[@iseptimus]

M1 MBP and 12.9 Pro here. Great dual screen setup and work flow variation when needed.

[@quandalemuncher2337]

I dont thinks the imacs about refinement or all that other stuff, at the end of the day its about convenience.

[@jamesblair2713]

I think it's somewhat both. It's like the ultimate refined consumer all-in-one. Screen, keyboard and mouse are included and all excellent (if you get the trackpad). Plug it in and start using it. Super user-friendly and simple.

[@hiteshasvagupta5417]

I've heard that the M1's physical design includes stuff for translating x86 to ARM, so I'm waiting for M2 chips that will hopefully be even better because the software will have caught up to the point that the translation isn't necessary

[@ewolam]

I want an arm Mac which can run x86 Windows and Linux on native too.😏

[@fayenotfaye]

1 year later and now most popular Mac apps are Apple silicon native and Rosetta has nearly native performance on both M1 and M2

[@Ray-lw2rh]

Dope vids dude, love your channel

[@ShashankNaithani]

Thanks you Sir. I don't see your all videos but your videos has inspired me to build my new PC. I am so happy, still I am feeling like its a dream that I just bought parts and just put together with the Cabinet and Outer ports. first time in my life I feeling so independent for handling my PC as PRO like you.

[@JustinGladden]

LOVE the iMacs, but can't wait to see what the bigger, PRO models will look like. I'll make that decision after WWDC.

[@sumitmann2181]

Well WWDC was all about software

[@MEDANNY20]

What’s your decision now?

[@JustinGladden]

@@MEDANNY20 Honestly, the MacMini is looking to be the best choice. I can repurpose it when a new MBP or iMac 27" is released.

[@MEDANNY20]

@@JustinGladden Good choice was waiting for a IMac Pro model to be released but didn’t so looking for other options for now

[@codymurphy3493]

I wish it had a "monitor mode" so that when it dies I can hook it up to a Mac Mini and use it for another 10 years.

[@lancelindlelee7256]

It goes against Apple's fight against right to repair (in spirit). This should be a feature for all AIOs though.

[@KabbaModern03]

I’m looking at the new iMac or buying an eGPU for my 2019 MacBook Pro because I have 4K footage that I need to process faster. Great vid!

[@michaelferna]

Congratulations on that new adventure!!! Greetings from Paris.

[@tombstoneblues1023]

A link to the filmmaker youtube channel in the description would have been nice!

[@stevevlahos5469]

I have learned after buying the original iPad to wait for gen 3 of a new product so it can start to mature.

[@simongreenidge6454]

I too made the mistake of buying an iPad 1 (with 3G!) the waste of money still hurts! I now call Apple 1st Gen products the "KZbinr Edition"!

[@TheRealLink]

Great video Snazzy! I know my brothers are both Macbook owners (one has M1 Macbook, one has the last i9 gen Macbook), and I think one of them just got the M1 iMac, but I at least do prefer my big PC builds. I'll be very curious to see how Apple continues making the M1X or what they just bring to AMD and Intel in the larger form factor space... not to mention how the current contenders hit back. I do a lot of gaming, rendering, and compute work with my machine so having larger GPUs are a must. But you're right - for most people wanting a great, simple AIO, this new iMac is pretty cool.

[@Lisergishnu]

Nice review! I'm still on the fence for this one. On another note: ¿Para cuándo una pequeña reseña en español? 😁 Saludos!

[@cbflazaro]

never understood "speaker tests" by recording it and then playing it off youtube. The sound will ultimatelly be limited to whatever sound people have. You can record a $50000 audio setup and play it off youtube. If you're hearing it off a $1 dollar speaker, it will sound like $1 sound

[@detroid89]

Haha I agree! Those tests have never made any sense in the slightest.

[@kenzieduckmoo]

I’m really wanting a Mac mini that supports eGPUs. But the current M1 Mac mini that has the 10gig port might be good enough

[@jblas82]

M1 Macs do not support eGPUs

[@rud]

Imaging a dual m1 processor Mac mini or a new one with more cores. Quite the edit rig in a small form factor. Well I am still stuck on my 2013 iMac for video editing.

[@DerekDavis213]

What good is 10gig ethernet, if you are running an ARM chip from a cellphone? TONS of x86 software for Windows and Mac will either not run, or run slowly (emulated) on the M1 Mac.

[@CertifiedSlamboy]

@@DerekDavis213 The M1 Macs don't emulate x86 applications. It translates it once upon install then runs natively from that translated install for all subsequent uses. Don't make things up.

[@DerekDavis213]

@@CertifiedSlamboy 'translates' means much lower performance, and many X86 software and games *CANNOT* be translated. Remember, with M1 Mac you are basically running a cell phone chip on a desktop computer. What a joke!

[@mikenib]

Working two weeks now on my new M1 iMac as a developer. I had only some minor issues with the arm architecture and needed to alter my docker stack but it is very very fast and it is all I need.

[@the_bar]

You brought up a point I have always wondered about. The fact that all KZbinrs have to deal do video editing directly or indirectly, does this create a bias in reviews based on that. I say that because its the concensus that the better experience for video editing is on a mac so majority of the people you are hearing from are those on KZbin utilizing a Mac (modtly because of video editing).

[@Dev_Astral]

In 3 months “I’m returning my 2021 iMac, here’s why.” lmao

[@snazzy]

Nope.

[@MartinPittBradley]

“Lower end, pro products” is such a funny proposition

[@MarcosElMalo2]

How so? “Professional” is a spectrum. A few people actually require a Mac Pro tower. For most professional activities, it’s overkill (and unjustified overspend). A graphic designer has lower requirements than an AfterEffects Artist working with 8k material.

[@MartinPittBradley]

@@MarcosElMalo2 I’d submit this product is more an example of the inevitable endpoint of “prosumer” marketing than it is intended for actual business needs. In terms of actual pro needs, I haven’t seen much outside of chunky ThinkPads and Dells at work. I know creatives are different, but they are a minority.

[@dougc84]

I've got a 2018 15" MBP and a 2018 Mac Mini. I recently upgraded my 1st gen iPad Pro 12.9 to the new M1 11" (yeah, no micro LED, which kind of sucks, but I wanted a smaller form factor), and, despite the limitations of iPad OS, it blazes. However, I'm waiting for WWDC for whatever the next round of MBPs are - not so much because M1 vs. M1X or M2 or whatever, but because I need more than the current 13" MBP w/ M1 offers, primarily in regards to RAM. I do software and web development for a living, and use a lot of virtualization (via Docker), so, even with 16 GB and a more efficient ecosystem, it just doesn't cut it anymore. I also do audio production and the occasional video production, which often requires plugins and stuff to sit in the menu bar, consuming background resources, or something just won't function. I'd be perfectly fine with the current 13" M1 if 32GB was an option for RAM, but, for what I do, 16 GB really doesn't cut it anymore, even with the increased efficiency and performance. So I'm holding off for whatever's next. If that's a 13" or a 14" or a 15" or a 16", I don't really care - my laptop, being my primary machine, stays docked most of the time anyway. A couple inches of display real estate while on the go isn't going to break anything. And picking up something with a little more horsepower and bandwidth, especially since you can't upgrade things anymore, will last me longer than buying something today. However, I am going to hold on to my Intel 2018 Mac Mini. It functions more as a local server for things I don't want to load on my NAS, like Homebridge and Plex. I want my NAS to handle backups and some light networking storage, but that's it - it's a lower tier model Synology that can't swing doing much more. But the Mini can serve those auxiliary functions and sit on my desk, and serve as a capable backup computer when the unexpected happens with my MBP. Sure, I could upgrade to an M1 Mini, but I like having at least one device around with Intel support (at least for the time being), and it does everything I need it to do perfectly fine. Why spend the money when there's not an issue? Maybe in a couple years, but today, that one sticks around.

[@letro73]

Quinn, would you give me some advice? I have the MacBook Air 2020 with M1 the one that have 2 thunderbolt ports only. I hook it up to a 4K display but the dongle situation is a mess and sometimes it stops recognizing the monitor and other things connected. Do you have and advice for me? Is it that the computer that I have is not build for this kind of setup?

[@josmith2062]

Finally someone telling how it is... that 99% dont need as much processing power as big tech will tell you

[@Liriq]

9:43 So, are you gonna make a video about that thermos? How much air does it hold? Temps and pressures please

[@Hussain-bs5mu]

great vid, what is the piece the iMac is standing on tho?

[@Diguz91]

the best AiO speakers? i still use an old iMac G4. works great for media consumption (video up to 720p plays fine with coreplayer) and still is VERY pleasant to look at...

[@mediis]

I've been looking to replace my 2012 iMac as my main desktop for some time now. I switched to the Mac eco system back in 2009 and it has worked wonderfully until I needed to replace the iMac. Everything they put out looked like crap when I compared it to Dell's zero bezel offerings. SO i was really looking forward to the new iMac. I was sorely disappointed with the overall design and flat out horrified with the color choices. I think the fan based renderings were far, far better what Apple actually produced. So after 20 years I started building my own computers again, and bought my first Windows license ever ( I've always run Unix or Linux for my workstations, and that was another reason why I loved Macs). Your video almost convinced me to give the iMac a try, but I just can't do it. Their color design is just too gawd awful. The colors look great, when you see the back of the iMacs. But it quickly turns into a horror show when you move towards the front. So I'm hoping the new offerings will provide some sense of normalcy to someone other than a preteen girl.

[@jaimeduncan6167]

Maybe some of his fans will buy it, but for a normal person I seem to remember that he cut the case because he did not want to unplug de cord.

[@snazzy]

This is correct.

[@benson8686]

Good take, and as a side note, that job description makes me want to throw in an application. Sounds like an amazing work environment.

[@snazzy]

Thanks, Ben!

[@d0002179262]

I still remember using one of the older Intel iMacs. They were pretty hefty. Seeing him holding the M1 iMac by one hand and swinging it around and not dropping it is pretty stunning.

[@DocNo27]

It's now basically an iPad Pro - just with a bigger, non-touch screen. Not that it's a bad thing since the hardware is amazing. To bad iPad OS sucks so hard and doesn't take advantage of the awesome hardware. Hopefully tomorrow will offer some hope for iPad users :p

[@DogerBeaner]

Weird Quinn didn't buy the VESA mounted version

[@jalabi99]

@DOGE! does the M1 iMac have a VESA mount? If it does I am going to get it.

[@ArchieGee]

You’ll be missed Derek! Good luck

[@NathanYoungman]

Nice to see someone finally talking about chiplets after the Jade rumour from Bloomberg. Thanks Quinn. I’m holding out for the next MacBook Pro for portability and because spec-for-spec the 24" iMac is similar in price to the current 13.3" Intel MacBook Pro, at least here in Canada. Also, I’m happy with the 21.5" LG UltraFine for turning a laptop into a desktop - with a height adjustable stand. 😁

[@michaelvilain8457]

I'm looking for the next system which I'll use for VMs and sysadmin development projects. I upgraded my dual MacPro to use a faster chip with more cores (8->12) but it can't really run any MacOS past 10.13, even if it's been patched. I don't see the M1 Macs as platform where I can do that right now even though more and more Linux distros are making ARM distros. VMware and Parallels won't be making their products to allow running X86 VMs on the M1, so I'm most likely to leave the Apple platform for something that run my workloads. Most data centers run X86 servers. So will I.

[@poetalegalis3635]

I think Apple is standardizing the user experience in sowing the m1 in its devices so far and wide. Similar user experience is maximized and given priority over a confusing jungle of semiconductor power. Apple is not a chip seller, so it does not need to play the same games and deception is selling semiconductor chips. I think this is what Intel is really afraid of, they can’t play the same games and apply the same tricks in targeted segmented markets…blessings 🙏

[@goobfilmcast4239]

Also the closely related "flavors" of M-series chips in Apple devices means that developers may be able to more easily write, de-bug and maximize App performance across the whole spectrum of Apple products. Smaller teams, faster development cycles and more form-factors to "sell to" means more bucks. Basically, it makes Apple more attractive to develop for.

[@christopherhaywood7282]

Still patiently waiting for that 10G Home Network follow-up video..

[@Jezee213]

Best of luck Derek. You did great work on every video you were a part of. You will be missed.