I'm Tired of RWBY

RWBY forced me to drink.
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- Chapters -
0:00 - DISCLAIMER
0:36 - Hi - Introduction
1:33 - Cinder's Backstory
8:56 - Continuity
14:05 - The Positives
17:49 - The Negative Points
23:20 - The Characters
34:14 - MANY MONTHS LATER
40:05 - DEATH
45:07 - The Lack of Nuance
49:21 - Conclusion
50:24 - End Credits
#rwby #RoosterTeeth #animation

[@kingbash6466]

Seeing what RWBY is now is like seeing your lifelong friend slowly become addicted to drugs, and no matter how many times you try to get help for them, they push back in denial and say that they’re fine.

[@SetSeth-yl6ke]

Its worse when you realize that same friend is going hard on said drugs over time. Not even a week, but a DAY, the potency isnt enough. That friend keeps pushing himself until...He falls off.

[@blade1hunter100]

It's even worse because whilst you are the friend trying to help them to stop, they have other friends who keep telling them they're fine and they shouldn't listen to you.

[@ProxyDoug]

So it's kinda like being a Amy Winehouse fan

[@JanizMakudomaru]

Exactly

[@JanizMakudomaru]

To everyone

[@kchnbrn]

Always remember, nothing in the show is Canon except the current Episode.

[@brolookatthatthingbehindyo1324]

does every episode happen in it's own seperate universe or something?

[@Ramsey276one]

Painfully accurate

[@blindedjourneyman]

Might as well @bro look behind you

[@ChiefMedicPururu]

For me, the show stopped at Season 3.

[@blackpants7385]

@@brolookatthatthingbehindyo1324 I know jack about the series, but what I think they mean is that it contradicts itself constantly

[@thegrandsonicfan117]

They tried to get us to fell sympathy for Cinder - the bitch who killed Pyrrah. At the same time, they tried to get us to hate Ironwood - the guy who, with no prodding, gave a woman he barely knew a robot arm she didn't earn, made the main characters official huntsmen, and put his full trust in the main characters despite how they never earned his trust. Then RT wonders why people are angry about this.

[@thomasraines1396]

He also stuck up for Weiss on two occasions, empathized with Yang when “broke” Mercury’s leg, commended Ruby for trying to capture Cinder in Volume 2, told the kids “No one will fault you if you leave” during the Fall of Beacon.

[@RickyUzumaki993]

I know, right? Idiots…

[@RickyUzumaki993]

@@thomasraines1396 Indeed

[@batsdomain7057]

Ya'll seem to forget the fact that Salem is the reason for every single thing ya'll are saying....dummies

[@neroidius6915]

Why do the writers keep thinking that EVERY villain needs to be sympathetic and misunderstood? To the point where the good guys are fighting the other good guys and causing more destruction than the actual bad guys? Not every villain has to be Joker 2019 or Thanos, sometimes all a story needs is someone with the opposite values of the protagonist and who is impossibly powerful and unbeatable that the protagonists need to struggle to overcome. Look at Roman Torchwick ffs. Just a selfish gangster with an ego and a bad mouth, and in his life he was infinitely more lovable than Cinder. Salem went from terrifying Grimm Satan to an entitled woman who was so self centered that she held a sword to God’s face and was surprised when she and everyone else was punished

[@Maverick2736]

The most tragic thing about this show is remembering the very first trailer. The red trailer. How back then we all thought it was special. And how all that incredible potential has been completely wasted just because a pair of talentless stuck-up morons refused to study even the tiniest bit of the do's and don'ts of narrative writing.

[@randomcenturion7264]

It's like watching Rome under Honorius' rule.

[@Dressup_Doll]

The Red and White trailers where gorgeous. Then we got whatever the later seasons were

[@wowthatsquitebig5228]

All the trailers were really good, even if the black and yellow trailers started some of the many writing problems, I wish the show was more like the trailers

[@MaztRPwn]

It’s ok, we can remember the cast being as cool as they’re supposed to be by playing Blaz Blue Cross Tag.

[@RickyUzumaki993]

Oh, I completely agree! All of the potential of this series has been wasted!

[@CRAM079]

There's nothing wrong with having a lot of characters, you just need to know how to use them properly

[@randomcenturion7264]

This true. Warhammer has 18 (19) Superhuman Demi-Gods waging Civil War and manages to give enough time to give them each to shine and develop.

[@greekieshion4501]

That's my problem with not only RWBY, but DRRR. That show has like, 20+ characters that they try to ham in the plot or create a side arc for them, but they never go anywhere, and are left to rot for more important arcs.

[@Tainted_Human]

This is true. If you know how to use characters. They will not be awful. RWBY tries having so many main and side characters. But develops so few of them. And some side characters are more interesting than main ones and they don't get nearly even half as much screen time

[@stuckerfan2563]

Look at one piece

[@MisteRRYouTuby]

Exactly. It can be 4 or 4000, if you craft each one carefully and the world they exist in, the story becomes compelling. If not, it becomes contrived.

[@watcherofmemelords7967]

Personally I consider rwby a case study in how not to design a d&d campaign.

[@wdf70]

Fucking right? The world is interesting as it's told to you, but then you get the shit DM who dumps all their DMPC's on you and the story is trash.

[@watcherofmemelords7967]

@@wdf70 exactly!

[@GoldenAlphaOmni]

RT actually did a DnD campaign with RWBY some time ago, can't remember when however.

[@firefly56embers33]

@@wdf70 this

[@markhirsch6301]

I've listened to a DnD podcast that was literally five dudes playing for fun that have better characters than this

[@buffruddy297]

Easy fix for cinders back story: show the huntsman help her escape, train her, they form a father-daughter relationship (show it explicitly RT) he is proud of her and one day he trusts her enough to carry a weapon. (By this point cinder is almost an adult).Cinder is reminded of her former family (idk have her see one of them on the street) this reawakens her repressed anger. She kills them that night and the huntsman finds out. He attempts to bring her into the authorities for murder. Cinder feels betrayed by this and the two duke it out. Cinder is victorious but feels empty. She’s killed both of her families and starts to lose it. A small crowd finds her loudly crying and standing over the corpses. They send for help. But one of the bystanders is none other than Dr Watts. He helps her escape. He offers her a place to go and Cinder accepts, not having any options. Watts brings her to Salem and explains Cinders presence Salem love bombs her like a cult leader. Cinder projects her need for a parental figure into Salem which is taken advantage of. This dynamic explains Cinders unquestioning loyalty of Salem and why she’s always trying to impress her. Salem uses this relationship as her ultimate weapon as Cinder has shown a history of ruthlessness and fighting ability. Salem could also be shown to offer Cinder “greatness” via the maiden powers. Have a dialogue line where Salem says something like “you were raised a slave, with my power you’ll be the master.” This would explain why cinder has a short sighted desire for power. She views it as never being a servant ever again. Ironically this desire is what solidifies her as a servant. It’s all there and it need just a few quick scenes and dialogue line and you’ve created a more dynamic villain. Also, yeah season 4/5 should’ve been when they showed Cinders arc. If fits in perfectly with the scene where Salem is berating Cinder for her failure. It’s literally the perfect time to show how their relationship came about.

[@Dressup_Doll]

I like that. I like that a lot

[@lowesmanager8193]

This is a pretty interesting idea, my main issue however is how Watts just shows up out of nowhere by coincidence. It would make more sense if Cinder was for example arrested and after watching recordings of her rampage after it went viral Watts broke her out of jail. It would also help if Salem and Watts had a discussion about taking in such a young and inexperienced person who just killed the last person who tried to help her. And of course, in order to keep the idea of Cinder killing Watts you would either have to show him openly exploiting and mocking Cinder with his knowledge of her past, or you could have him go back on some promise he made to her when they first met.

[@buffruddy297]

@@lowesmanager8193 The prison break idea isn’t bad as long as it was kept really short. This episode would already be like 30 minutes long. My idea isn’t exactly the most explicit so fill in the gaps with whatever you like. The coincidence was merely to save on time. I do think showing the implication of a conversation between Watts and Salem would be good though. A line like “A girl with promise, as you requested” when Watts presents Cinder to Salem. This gives the implication that Watts was looking for another disciple at Salem’s request. Pair that with the fact that Cinder is the only woman working for Salem pre-season 4 and it tells you that Watts was looking a woman to be Salem’s maiden sponge. No conversation scene required. Idk what the whole cinder-wanting-to-kill-Watts thing was about but I think the show has done a good enough job showing why Cinder wouldn’t mind roasting Watts on a spit.

[@SparkShadow212]

How long did it take for you to come up with this? This backstory is leagues better than what we got.

[@buffruddy297]

@@SparkShadow212 less than the duration of this video. I just asked myself what I wanted from the show and how It could be conveyed without changing too much. Granted, it’s easier to fix a product that’s already been made, rather than make a product from scratch. Still, the RWBY team at Roosterteeth has been dropping the ball on the show for years and years. Instead of trying to hire high profile voice actors like Vic, they should’ve been looking for some writing staff who could tell them when their ideas aren’t going to work. It sucks because every few seasons, we get a glimpse of excellence from the writers (season 3, season 6s apathy episodes, and season 7s 2nd half) which only makes me more sad when the show keeps crapping the bed.

[@TheClarity101]

Fun fact: series writers have said they wanted to put cinders backstory in volume 5 but they ‘couldn’t fit it in.’ I assume all the characters standing around doing nothing was more important

[@thomasraines1396]

They also had to give Ruby an “arc” about how she sucks without her weapon but one of the first things in the entire series is her taking out two guys before bringing it out and all that leads to is Mercury jobbing like a loser.

[@kidprime6863]

​@@thomasraines1396That whole thing with Ruby lacking hand-to-hand skills is something they should've gotten more into. While I did like the part with her improvising and knocking Mercury out with a headbutt. I would've been amazing to see Ruby get a little resourceful in situations where her weapon is lost or stolen to compensate for her inability to fight hand-to-hand. Maybe if Beacon never fell, Team RWBY would've been given lessons in resourcefulness, adaptability and survival skills. I mean I can understand that Ruby isn't as strong in hand-to-hand combat as Yang or a few others. But that doesn't mean she can't get resourceful.

[@mray4784]

The rules of writing RWBY 1. All characters are only as smart as the plot allows. 2. Only the current volume is canon. 3. Shipping > character development . 4. There's no power scaling . 5. If any character comes to disagree with team RWBY they will be demonized, flanderizied and humiliated, especially if male (ex. Adam and Ironwood). 6. Only team RWBY is right .

[@93ImagineBreaker]

7. If your a female villain chances are you'll get off much lighter

[@cotren8860]

8. Only the current *EPISODE* is canon

[@markhirsch6301]

Jesus christ DBZ is more enjoyable than this show I hate later seasons of DBZ

[@caydan4009]

@@markhirsch6301 I agree. Everything after the cell saga was hit or miss. Including super and gt

[@thomasdaywalt7735]

I think rubies reach a point for it's just gone beyond the logical to the point where just AI mean if ruby ends with disappointment than Monte omi's dream basically dies with him

[@thirdstrike000000]

The song played in Cinder's backstory lowkey sounds like the dream song from Sharkboy and Lavagirl

[@JoshtheOverlander]

"Shut your eyes, lay about, or my fist will put you out!!" - Me, to Cinder

[@penguinspy3478]

@@JoshtheOverlander 😶

[@itsblitz4437]

Now that you mentioned it...it does sound similar to Sharkboy singing. I rewatched that movie a while back.

[@Saltedroastedcaramel]

At least the dream song wasn't this obnoxious

[@crowthewicked8344]

@@Saltedroastedcaramel Because it knew it was silly while RWBY is like a kid book narrator trying to be serious

[@ahmodhoward2334]

At first I didn't understand what people meant when they said RWBY had too many characters because any show has a lot of characters. But now I know the problem is that they show everyone like a main character but uses them like side characters.

[@RickyUzumaki993]

Welcome to the shitty fandom and show that is RWBY. Get out while you still can.

[@danielgeronimo5538]

I got lost at the fact that this series was about groups of student, warriors, thingy that kills monsters. And not about some half-hearted attempt to make a "save the world plot" against the world's worst divorce issue

[@thomasraines1396]

Yeah it started out as sort of a slice of life anime but quickly tried to become something bigger and more “complex”.

[@MetalCaffeine56]

@@thomasraines1396 Once it started taking itself too seriously is when it all started going downhill.

[@thomasraines1396]

@@MetalCaffeine56 yep.

[@RickyUzumaki993]

@@MetalCaffeine56 Pretty much

[@Ramsey276one]

This reminds me of Netflix Castlevania XD

[@plasticlance9418]

Hunters in RWBY are fucking weird, they get talked up a lot but they don’t seem to be anything more than just mercenaries, the authority they wield in the show mostly comes from other positions of power like being a general, a headmaster, or a professor being a huntsman itself doesn’t seem to give you any power over anything outside of fighting Grimm. I can’t really criticize Rhodes for not using his authority when the writers never bothered fleshing out what kind of authority full huntsman are supposed to _apparently_ have.

[@JanizMakudomaru]

The fact one of the main characters who came from high society and left to become one of these mercs that fights monsters not knowing if they'd live today and die tomorrow doesn't even know if she has the authority to arrest her dad is very showing.

[@JarenLemon]

Hunter X Hunter did it better. *WAY BETTER* I would gladly *Kill* Cinder Fall just to get that Hunter's License, shit Two kids got it like it was picking out a Pokemon card

[@JanizMakudomaru]

@@JarenLemon the very first arc if the show was basically made to do that as well as set up things for later.

[@JarenLemon]

@@JanizMakudomaru Agreed, my Favorite arc will always be the Chimera Ant Arc.

[@JanizMakudomaru]

@@JarenLemon cool, mine is Greed Island

[@kaiosamatlj4031]

RWBY is what happens when someone decides to watch many Terrible Writing Advice episodes and follows them without noticing the obvious sarcasm, and believe me, I'm not the first to say that.

[@gayanudugampola8973]

He should do an episode on Rwby.

[@carbodude5414]

@@gayanudugampola8973 I think its a topic that can be covered under "Web Shows" where the main pitfalls that the genre keeps falling into include being over-reliant on internet memes, taking advantage of creator-to-fans familiarity to dodge criticism, blatant T-shirt advertisements, awkward transitioning from comedy to drama, and etc.

[@2097Pyros]

@@carbodude5414 "taking advantage of creator-to-fans familiarity to dodge criticism".....by using them as shields and patsies. RT is the literary equivalent of an abusive relationship.

[@prasedomaci9264]

I think the result of that would acctually be hilarious...

[@elijennings9913]

It's impossible to take TWA advice unironically. And I should know, I have autism.

[@auxityne]

Why is slavery allowed in a world where the negativity it generates would cause a cataclysm. Why is Remnant just Earth with extra senseless shit tacked on.

[@thomasraines1396]

Because reasons

[@aleciad7218]

RWBY's worldbuilding definitely stopped making any sense since Volume 3. If Pyrrha "killing" Penny was enough to cause a Grimm stampede, then why didn't Cinder's enslavement and subsequent mental breakdown not attract any Grimm at all? There are TONS of these plot holes in every season, and they've become worse over time.

[@agenttex5973]

@@aleciad7218 I mean th thousands of people in one concentrated Place freaking out over a death of a girl is gonna cause more Negativity then one girl suffering my guy

[@aleciad7218]

@@agenttex5973 Except the fact that Blake's negativity attracted a Sea Feilong grimm in volume 4. The only thing consistent about this show is its inconsistency.

[@agenttex5973]

@@aleciad7218 Expect As far as I know literally fuck all ever states that's why it appears chief, Grimm can just attack Things they dont always need Negativity

[@carbodude5414]

Imagine setting up your Bigger Bad Salem for 5 seasons only for her to lose her first on-screen fight and end up doing absolutely nothing in the end for the entire season...

[@thomasraines1396]

It would be liking have Doomsday or Vandal Savage from DC be in a story and in their first appearance they get bodied.

[@ryanm.8720]

That would be like, after two years of anticipation, killing off Snoke in a sneak attack before he has a chance to do anything memorable in 'The Last Jedi'. That would also be like setting up Dark Raiden to be a major antagonist in 'Mortal Kombat 11' after building up his motivations in the last two installments, putting him in most of the marketing and in the cover of Story in the main menu, and having the entire first chapter revolve around him... only to have him die in an anti-climax method in the second chapter, replace him with a main antagonist that can be described as 'Dark Raiden, but with little screen time to flesh them out, no backstory, and unclear motivations', and have the other kharacters barely talk about him again. I'm glad that never happened.

[@rosesongoku6980]

@@ryanm.8720 That would be like 'Game of Thrones' setting up the White Walkers for 8 years (and their master the Night King for 5 years) as the ultimate threat to the entire world only for them all to die from a single stab less than halfway into the final season, after which they get a passing mention at most and that's it. Time for our protagonists to lose to CERSEI AND EURON, only for Daenerys to lose her sh** and blow up King's Landing and then die at the beginning of the series finale. At least Salem is alive and has a chance to redeem herself in the next few volumes and hopefully show off her real power (namely by killing characters that have names and are recognizable).

[@ryanm.8720]

@@rosesongoku6980 I was thinking of also listing the Night King's death, but I figured that someone might do it for me in response.

[@rosesongoku6980]

@@ryanm.8720 Exactly, it's so infamous at this point that everyone thinks about it in regards to villains that had terrible endings.

[@Castersvarog]

Rwby is honestly what happens when you’re doing that one school assignment at the last possible minute. There’s so much that just feels rushed to push it out the door and get it online causing all these OOC moments and complete shifts and inconsistencies in both character and story.

[@vijeomasher9154]

Compared to Monty Oum doing the Red Trailer in just two weeks alone. Being rushed might have affected the quality of the show, but I'd argue that it is the lack of direction. A collection of great ideas that don't mix well with each other. Almost like Frankenstein's monster.

[@Castersvarog]

@@vijeomasher9154 Yeah, Rwby is a show with so much potential, But they fail to build it well. It’s like building with a solid foundation and plan, but then part way up the blueprints were lost and they decided to continue building anyway without making a new one. And because of that, things are starting to fall apart.

[@kchnbrn]

One could say they're basically building it like a Lego set by just looking at the box. They have the idea of what they want it to be, but they just mix and match all the pieces together and get whatever else comes out of the mess they're creating. Which is kinda sad tbh - because we all probably have a starting point where we were excited to see it fully use its potential

[@93ImagineBreaker]

@@Castersvarog things long fell apart

[@penguinwafflemchubbly]

I'm pretty sure it is rushed? I remember one of the showrunners tweeting that they just finished working on the last episode for a volume on the day BEFORE the finale premiere.

[@Ostentatiousnessness]

Ruby’s semblance is the ability to warp reality and logic in order to be always right and unassailable.

[@pablox2139]

damn, everthing makes sense now

[@JoyBoy2324]

Reality can be whatever I want

[@Prushinthespirit]

It's called "Mary Sew" aka the most bland and common out of all main character abilities

[@Gencinnamon245]

@@Prushinthespirit holy shit, so they just made a Mary Sue that literally does nothing? Yeah, good on you CRWBY

[@Prushinthespirit]

@@Gencinnamon245 maybe it's about time another word is used to describe her type of a character... Whatever. Her ability is to unconsciously bend universe around her so that everyone around admires her perfection, her ultimate leadership skills and the only thing she needs to do is sitting around and waiting till magical farmboy saves himself, kills the main villain and delivers her a magical Genie able to solve all of theor problems without the need to make tough decisions and suffer any responsibility for them. An ultimate guide of not getting invested in a main character

[@keenanrobinson7239]

Gonna be honest. The moment they made Ironwood was made to be a bad guy, I stopped watching this fucking show. He was the only one probably keeping me watching lol

[@randomcenturion7264]

The funny part is, despite their ham-fisted attempt to make him look like the villain, Team RWBY STILL look far worse and it's all their fault Atlas and Mantle were destroyed.

[@Aurora-313]

@@randomcenturion7264 Ironwood: Totalitarian fascist. RWBY and Co: International Genocidal Terrorists that have destroyed at least 3 Kingdom now (Haven, Atlas and Mantle), and served up the survivors to a desert area where there's limited resources, no food and insufficient protection.

[@randomcenturion7264]

@@Aurora-313 It's like the Imperium of Man. It's not great, but it's better than the alternatives.

[@Aurora-313]

@@randomcenturion7264 I wouldn't even go that far, but I agree with the sentiment.

[@noahwiley2846]

Here's some recommendations so you can move on Re Zero Zatch Bell The heroic legend of prince arslin Princess principal Kill la kill And try some of clamps works like cardcaptor sakura or xxxholic

[@skeetskeet7041]

Rbwy: we’re gonna have a wide range of great ideas and build up for our characters Fans: so we’re gonna get good story and content right? Rwby: Fans: *good story and content, right?*

[@larrychilders6599]

Nope we know it worked for the porn

[@silverscorpio24]

I still can't believe they evolved Ren's semblance just to explain away the AceOps' loss

[@amirgarcia547]

I always found his semblance pretty useless tbh (it’s helpful when it’d come to stealth or infiltration, but not only do they never use it for that, but it wouldn’t really do much in a head-on fight), so I’m actually kinda glad they evolved it. It’s just sad that it came at the expense of an asspull.

[@93ImagineBreaker]

which doesnt make sense

[@93ImagineBreaker]

@@amirgarcia547 even then only for grimm

[@fenrisvermundr2516]

@@amirgarcia547 His new semblance is still pretty useless. A solution would be to have him see what emotions the person has buried, instead of what they currently feel. Playing into the theme of his semblance.

[@inkubus6192]

@@fenrisvermundr2516 I dunno, I think that the evolution is already in line with the theme of his semblance. Seeing how the whole deal with it is ‘tranquility through meditation’, and a big part of meditation is observing and understanding ones emotions uncritically.

[@smugbowkid9919]

When the Fanfiction makes more sense and is better written than the actual show:

[@falconeshield]

Voltron is that you

[@preservinglight]

So true

[@zaydkouar813]

Couer al Aran is honestly a treasure in the community

[@DarkSeraph]

Miraculous Ladybug, is that you?

[@vsGoliath96]

Low bar to set but yeah

[@electricblaster7798]

Nitpick. I hate the way Yang falls. They way she falls is just animated lazily, but I expected nothing less from this show. When you fall, you don't just stay in one pose, even if you're unconscious. She should be tumbling through the air.

[@davidjohnson4171]

RWBY's been animated lazily since Oum died, they upped the quality of models and backgrounds to convince people that the animation's still good. Someone actually did a video detailing just how often the characters just randomly teleported around the room in the V5 finale fight, it was about an hour long! It's beyond sloppy, and I can guarantee if anyone cracked the seal on Monty's grave, they'd see him doing cartwheels out of sheer disgust. It's fucking embarrassing!

[@thomasraines1396]

They could’ve made Ironwood sort of like John Constantine: in that he’s a complete bastard but he’s necessary and can get things done but just turned him into some crazy mustache twirling bad guy.

[@thomasraines1396]

@NILAY SHARMA yes.

[@RickyUzumaki993]

Agreed

[@Lajos_Kelemen]

Or just batshit insane out of nowhere to serve the plot.

[@RickyUzumaki993]

@@Lajos_Kelemen Pretty much

[@loturzelrestaurant]

@@thomasraines1396 Thought i let you know: the best video i ever saw criticizing RWBY was made by Hbomberguy.

[@blade1hunter100]

"My problem isn't RWBY wanting to save everyone. My problem is they don't even have a plan!" Thank you! I guarantee most people who sided with Ironwood only did so for that reason, because any plan is better than "War of attrition with immortal witch with infinite soldiers."

[@Ramsey276one]

Painfully accurate

[@shadowsaber4566]

That was the only reason I even agreed with Ironwood's plan. In truth, I really didn't like Ironwood's plan. However, he was the only one that has a plan, and details of what and how to do it. RWBY didn't even have a plan, nor did they offer any alternatives to Ironwood's plan. Sure, they want to save everyone. However, they never explained what and how they are going to achieve it (they never even consider other factors or what kind of resources at their disposal to make it even close to possible). Especially since their plan seems to be based on the fact that their enemies can be defeated, in which they themselves know that isn't possible (like you stated, it was war of attrition with an immortal witch with infinite soldiers).

[@TortoiseNotTurtle]

And even when Ruby is handed the reigns of control and leadership she does nothing with it. After Amity tower is brought up she tells people about Salem and how Atlas needs help but then tells them to not trust Ironwood. Her plan was literally to hope that other people would swoop in and save the day for her. And when that realistically doesn't happen she gets into tears over it. Really?! Ruby's plan was literally Ironwood's plan copy-pasted but without the proper resources or back ups. Ironwood was commanding soldiers out on the battlefield, Ruby tried to do one thing, failed then sat down to have tea. She then got on May's ass when she wanted to go help Mantle yet **still** didn't do shit until Penny showed up in the front yard. Despite the fact that he wasn't prepared for Salem's whale he worked around that and created a bomb to destroy it. Let's be honest, if Oscar did not have a pocket nuke and Emerald never switched sides, Ruby would have failed horrendously. She doesn't fly down to help and she only kills the hound because it went to her first. We're meant to believe that team RWBY is in the right but they seem to have their asses saved by pure luck and nothing else. Even when she has the opportunity to use her super unique trait which can beat Cinder with one shot, **she doesn't use it**. It feels like nobody is willing to actually be honest with Ruby. She mopes around in angst before being told everything is alright and that she's doing well when she isn't. From an objective standpoint she fails at being a decent leader and strategist, yet we're still told that she is the good guy.

[@marcophenox6520]

Oh but they did have a plan remember in vol 7 they said they should stand their ground and fight “solid plan”

[@zephyrstrife4668]

@@marcophenox6520 Sadly, that's about the equivalent to "Alright! Group up... AND HIT IT TILL IT DIES!" It works for the Imperial Guard because they have near-infinite soldiers to throw at a problem... it doesn't work for these four because they don't have as many resources.

[@Hagosha]

Remember when Ruby was intelligent and resourceful and had created her own weapon but she was just a little hyper and forgetful sometimes? The writers don't.

[@Rar830]

And when cookies vanished into thin air when she ate them or taking part of an epic food fight, good times.

[@ryanm.8720]

At least Ruby wasn't as unintelligent as she was in BlazBlue: Cross Tag Battle's 'Episode RWBY', where she decides to trust Hazama, out of all people, and she doesn't take the hint when the announcer tries to point out that doing so won't end well. Also, in 'Episode Persona 4: Arena', the announcer tells Ruby and Weiss that the investigation team (and Ragna) are planning to uses their keystone for a diabolical purpose. She has no physical evidence of this, she doesn't state why they're evil, and they're fully aware that the announcer is the host of the tournament (or is working for the host) that's forcing them to fight, and yet Ruby and Weiss are firmly convinced that they're villains, and it takes an excessive amount of explaining for them to snap out of it.

[@Friedcisp]

@@ryanm.8720 Given their track record it could be argued that Ruby and Weiss acting as dumb as they did in that game is perfectly in character

[@creed8712]

That volume wasn’t cannon

[@John-Stark]

@@ryanm.8720 I mean, I feel like it wouldn't be hard to convince anyone Ragna's a bad guy (Even though he isn't he just has that Aura too him, that and they might confuse the Black Beast as Grimm) I don't know how she manage to convince them that the Chad Yu Narukami was a bad guy though...

[@TorinX99]

All the issues with this show can be summed up: The writers dont understand character writing; world building/consistency; and no idea what story theme is. Every issue pretty much falls under these 3 points.

[@RickyUzumaki993]

… Yeah, pretty much.

[@MiaoNya]

The show's theme is completely incoherent, which completely kills it for me. That's like, the most important thing to adhere by when writing. It's the foundation in which you write your entire story and its characters. "What is this story's theme?" is the first question you should ALWAYS ask yourself when writing a story.

[@JenamDrag0n]

@@MiaoNya I wouldn't say theme is necessarily the first thing a person should ask when writing a story. Some people can't write that way. My stories tend to develop first from characters and a neat premise rather than theme. However, by the time you finish the first draft, you should be able to see what the theme is or wants to be and can relay that to someone in a concise sentence if they ask.

[@kaykay8855]

My main disappointment is that our hero, Ruby, got no character development.

[@chrischickering1959]

I hate how others seemingly know more about her power set than she does 🙃

[@flowersandcheesecake1710]

And is a hypocrite who is worse then Ironwood by far (Even if IW was getting to let people die at least we was trying to save people unlike Ruby who just sat around drinking tea)

[@ryanm.8720]

BlazBlue: Cross Tag Battle's 'Episode RWBY' does more justice to Ruby's characterization than the actual show.

[@RickyUzumaki993]

@@flowersandcheesecake1710 Damn right

[@rosesongoku6980]

She just seems so uninterested in learning more about and improving her Silver Eye powers.

[@KittyKatty999]

I hate it when creators suddenly butcher a character, especially when it's just because the character's philosophy was getting "too much popularity/sympathy".

[@randomcenturion7264]

And the best part is, their ham-fisted attempts to make said character look bad only: A: Made him look better because people were appalled at how lazy this was and how obviously manipulative the writing was. B: Despite butchering him into a "Maniacal Tyrant" their "Heroes" are still worse, because the Kingdom's destruction is still all their fault. RT bent the very rules of realty in Team RWBY's favor to make them look good and they STILL ended up being the villains XD

[@blueteam4021]

Ironwood is basically utilitarian, right?

[@patchwurk6652]

@@blueteam4021 Eh, I'm not entirely sure if politics can really be applied to the situation. I mean yeah he's a politician, but when literal Satan on Earth is banging down your door, you do everything possible to win that fight. Everything is acceptable as long as you win the battle against Lord Sauron, and Salem is Remnant Sauron.... If Sauron came from a bullshit dimension where everything sucks.

[@warezz1743]

@@blueteam4021 he is but considering the setting as a leader, he needs to be one.

[@Rebellions]

@@patchwurk6652 Yeah Ironwoods plan was heartless but the show seemed to forget 3 things. 1. He was the only one that HAD a fuckin plan. 2. The main characters learned of Salems existence like what - 2 months ago if that? He's been in this fight for easily over a decade and probably knows some shit we dont. And most importantly. 3. When the established stakes is the literal extinction/enslavement of *the entire human race* a *heartless* plan does NOT make for a *bad* plan. Genocide is a *literal* NUMBERS game, so long as at least 2 people capable of reproducing survive to the end, you win.

[@jhenekim3576]

you know it’s bad when the fandom says “screw it i’ll do it myself” and writes their own narrative that’s way better. i’m getting major voltron: legendary defender flashbacks.

[@Justin-ui5ti]

Yeah, Coeur Al'Aran seems to be leading the charge on that front. RWBY's world is rich and filled with so much potential. It simply isn't explored fully.

[@handhelder823]

Isn't that the point of Fanfiction?

[@princeofqrow3181]

@@Justin-ui5ti I have question about Coeur Al'Aran Rwby fanfiction?

[@Justin-ui5ti]

@@princeofqrow3181 What exactly do you wish to inquire?

[@donutbevil9669]

@@handhelder823 Not if it's better than canon by a larger margin.

[@brandondodge6040]

You know, it's kind of disappointing that nobody that likes RWBY will watch this video. Every comment pretty much says the same thing. I like this series, but understand it has several issues. I enjoy people breaking down this show just as much as I enjoy people praising it. You have so many interesting points, some I agree with and others that I don't. I enjoyed watching through this video.

[@TheG119YT]

I like RWBY and I watched it. Same thing as you. He makes points I agree with and MANY that I don’t, but it’s still funny and enjoyable. Even if some of the butts of jokes are points I vehemently disagree with.

[@uja11]

I like RWBY and watched it too. RWBY is more of a guilty pleasure.

[@MaztRPwn]

Great. A lesser human.

[@SabbyNeko]

I like RWBY and sought this video out because I can tell it has issues and I want to understand why I can only 'like' RWBY, and never 'love' it.

[@damann28]

I like RWBY and I watched it 4th season is the start of its death(death of the creator..... RIP) tryed to keep going but 5th really end it for me

[@thomasraines1396]

Cinder’s backstory reminds of how they tried to give Freddy Krueger a tragic backstory in “The Final Nightmare”: they waited to long and the character in question already did so much evil shit whatever backstory they had doesn’t matter.

[@worldweaver2691]

*spittakes* Freddy Krueger has a backstory?

[@thomasraines1396]

@@worldweaver2691 a pretty interesting one actually if for how fucked up it is: his mother was locked on accident (i’m pretty sure) in an insane asylum and then raped by 100 of the patients so it was impossible to know who his birth father was, eventually he was put into foster care where he was ultimately adopted by some abusive asshole which lead to him developing his sadistic tendencies and later becoming the Freddy Krueger we all know.

[@worldweaver2691]

@@thomasraines1396 ah yes the 'ninety percent of the backstory could have not existed in the first place" style. only need the abusive guardian bit. was the writers trying to be edgy when writing the backstory? only need one of those (was born in an insane asylum, parent raped, or abusive guardian).

[@thomasraines1396]

@@worldweaver2691 I have no clue what they were going for.

[@ryanm.8720]

It would've been more horrifying if it turned out that Freddy and/or Cinder had a healthy childhood, much like Machine in '8mm (1999)'.

[@a-mellowtea]

_Thank you_ for bringing up the "No, you have sacrificed everyone else!" line. I don't think I've ever laughed so bitterly in my life as when I heard that in the episode. Few characters have been handled in a way that disappointed me quite as much as James.

[@executer1717]

It hurts, how he turned out.

[@warezz1743]

The other characters are disappointing James is just tragic.

[@jacksimpson8529]

Hey Winter, remember that new arm your boss got, because he ruined his old one in the process of capturing a dangerous hacker and terrorist? Sp, what was that about not sacrificing anything and only sacrificing "everyone else?"

[@gabrielklem48]

Remember mettle?

[@warezz1743]

@@gabrielklem48 what about it?

[@toskiemail1371]

Somebody asked me who the biggest villain in RWBY is and I answered Miles and Kerry because they do a damn good job of constantly finding new lows for the show to sink to.

[@bman296]

My biggest problem is they fired the guy that worked with Monty and had a good idea of where the story was gonna go. Miles and Kerry clearly dont give a fuck because monty stated so many times that there was no magic, no gods, and in his original notes and stuff he said that Salem was trying to control all the maiden powers. Not hunt after relics looking for death or whatever. They shouldve either kept the guy on the show or not continue at all. Oh and they also fired Vic based off false claims so that's another reason why I stopped watching anything rwby related

[@exoticcats6119]

@@Lajos_Kelemen I’m almost certain that this show went off-course from what Monty wanted. It’s like saying, “well you never know if a meteor will crash into your house. It’s not impossible.” But instead it’s, “you never know if this isn’t what Monty intended for his show. It’s possible.”

[@GVirusInfectee]

These are also the two who oversaw the poorest-received section of RvB. I was out as soon as I saw their names, and was vindicated when I happened to see how the fight between Blake and the chameleon chick ended. That's the only post-volume 3 episode I've seen, and it's all I needed to.

[@Dressup_Doll]

@@bman296 yo wait what? I KNEW SOMETHING WAS OFF!

[@bman296]

@@Dressup_Doll yerp kicked him off during the year long dry spell we had of anything RWBY related. From what I'd hazard to guess Miles and Kerry wanted to edit Monty's original work and the guy stood his ground and got fired for it

[@somehowsexuallyambiguous7959]

Cinder: *Is abused, wants to be free* Cinder when free: *Goes back to being a servant* Team RWBY In a Nutshell People who have literally been at deaths door for you? *Turn your back on them* Someone who put you on deaths door? *YOUR MY NEW BEST FRIEND* RWBY Villains In a Nutshell *Have understandable goals, good performance, and thought out plans* Villains literally on their next appearance: *Forgot all their powers and only care about completing any given mission the slowest and most stupid ways possible*

[@RickyUzumaki993]

Sadly, this is so fucking accurate…

[@thekingofcookies4877]

Miles just grabs things from other shows and anime and puts it into RWBY thinking that it's all good in context. Emerald joined the heroes because Zuko did that in Avatar.

[@BwooHuraca]

@@thekingofcookies4877 The show is just baffling in how poorly handled everything is.

[@3one7crew]

It's funny, you actually think that the whole "you sacrificed everyone else" thing was inconsistent with Ironwood losing his arm. BUT, you missed the fact that the show operates with the outdated trope of "machine bad, flesh good". The army of robots brought in to replace the child soldiers was portrayed as a bad thing cause robots bad. Yang's arm isn't a gift to aid her after a horrific injury, it's "just an addition". Penny's can't appreciate life right until getting a real body. Ironwood didn't sacrifice his arm... In Kerry Shawcross' own words for that scene, "And then of course Ironwood now losing.. another part of his humanity. Get it?" It's ironic, cause as much as they want RWBY to be a real anime, I'm rather surprised at how dismissive the show is to tech and robots when eastern media often gives such things life of their own that arguably is no less valuable than our own. (Which is where I thought Penny was going, but nope, gotta be a REAL girl)

[@BAMFuPanda]

Mans literally went up to Oz and said, "Hey lets stop throwing kids in the fire to die, I can manufacture us some stronger robots to toss in instead while we train those kids to their fullest potential. But the show said, "Nah, those kids can do this.... hopefully."

[@lonerevenant0]

@CrestRibbon Or Xenoblade Chronicles and even then not all the Machines were bad.

[@constantdisappointment5658]

It honestly would have been super easy to make Ironwood isolated from other human beings, and make him see logical solutions without the consideration of ethics for others' lives. If they started with him being seen for the first in years during the Vytal Tournament, they wouldn't have shot themselves in the foot so much. But, unfortunately, what's done is done

[@pocketmonster1088]

Not to mention the inherent ableism of “losing a limb makes you less human”. Like FFS nobody says Edward Elric “isn’t human anymore” because he has an automail arm and leg.

[@aozorahaou2643]

And Kingdom Hearts since replicas are dolls meant to work as machines, like seriously replicas are basically Pinocchio with an eastern spin on it, which makes me love that arcs Xion and Rikuplica went through despite me preferring Roxas went through her arc. Then you got E102 Gamma from Sonic Adventure which is self explanatory on how to do that story right

[@mreverything7056]

The virgin Crow: Doesn’t want to form relationships with people because he’s scared his semblance killing people. The Chad Eizen from Tales of Berseria: Warns people about his curse, but doesn’t care if they come with him.

[@ZMusok]

I mean, Eizen is a character you can look up to. He accepted his curse and tries to live his life to its fullest. Qrow on the other hand...

[@darkstorm2579]

@@ZMusok Although Eizen did leave his sister so that she wouldn't be affected by his curse. Regardless, he's still a cool character.

[@jnut9494]

I'll happily take Tales of Berseria over this

[@darkstorm2579]

@@jnut9494 Me too.

[@phantomsoul6083]

Eizen is the real winner here

[@GIRru11]

Oh yeah, I forgot Ruby and Yang are sisters. Just like how the writers forgot too

[@thomasraines1396]

Yang’s side piece (Blake) had more of an emotional reaction to Yang’s “death” then her own sister.

[@thomasraines1396]

@@DanBonRP Yang isn’t dead, they have to keep her alive for ship bait.

[@Dressup_Doll]

I forgot that too… aHEM

[@linked2dio26]

Wait what?

[@MaulMachine]

No, they didn't. What a ridiculous thing to say.

[@sleepiestofall]

The thing that still upsets me the most about RWBY. Is that we have eight volumes currently. And still cureently very little understanding of Aura and Semblance.

[@RickyUzumaki993]

Same here

[@batsdomain7057]

How? (know what don't answer that)

[@user-pr4cu9tb3b]

​@@batsdomain7057it should on lessons in beacon,but they speedruned 3 season.

[@ClockworkGearhead]

It was never good, as a whole. We watched it because Monty was good at fight scenes, and he had a lot of respect for being a solo artist doing a shit ton of amazing work on his own. Otherwise, the worldbuilding sucked. The story sucked. The jokes sucked. It was cute, but only so-so. The story was literally just a vehicle for him to show off his animations, and that's a-ok. We watched it because we wanted to see what Monty would do with it. But he tragically died. Then Rooster Teeth had a bit of a controversy about how the handled his charity funds. Worse, they treated the damn show like a vehicle for their message rather than what it was, an excuse to see anime girls kill big monsters. Then MORE controversy came out, and dealing with the company wasn't worth it just to get a mediocre show they put behind a paywall. I'm not going to expound their other mistakes, I'd have to write a freaking essay, and this went on long enough. In short, they shit him.

[@RickyUzumaki993]

Preach, my friend!

[@davidjohnson4171]

Whoa whoa whoa! The jokes were all right before Monty died, they wern't nearly as bad as they are now.

[@RickyUzumaki993]

@@davidjohnson4171 The jokes weren’t great, but they were good for cheap laughs.

[@merphul]

@Otneimica they wanted to build this big grand world but lacked the imagination and storytelling chops to pull it off. Monty did great with coming up with some of the concepts, but he was the big push on the design and animation side and let others drive the narrative side after helping with the big concepts. RT bit off more than they had the writing talent to deal with. If they had kept the story small scale with more action, maybe cut the run time in half with a focus on the characters and their relationships before gradually opening up the world, then I think more people would have been on board and given their writing team a chance to plan forward and develop their own skills and then later switching to more big story type scripts. Now that I stop to think about it, that's pretty much how they grew Red vs Blue. We grew to love those dumb ass characters and were happy to follow them along as they ended up in bigger and bigger messes. If they tried to first lay out all the stuff with multiple secret organizations and conspiracies, it probably would have sucked and might not have caught on.

[@RickyUzumaki993]

@@merphul Yeah, pretty much

[@hordonia2572]

You're not alone, dude. Bunch of people, even in the fandom, are noticing the wrong things that the show kept doing and are also tired of it.

[@DrakeKnight99]

Lack of world building, proper character interactions, letting shoppers have what they want or wasting Adam and how he got the scar?

[@rsg5314]

For example Penny

[@HamazuraGOD]

Has MurderOfBirds starting to wake up and realize or is he still a delusional fanboy? Used to like his stuff.

[@irondragon1785]

When people writing FANFICTION can make a better story than the massive company that started it, the show is a bad place

[@AdvancedDefense]

@@HamazuraGOD Nope. He's still in RT's pocket.

[@ghostfear2011]

It’s bad when some of the issues you bring up can be simply explained with “Behind the scenes drama happened before this episode was made”, which says less about the show itself and more about the current state of RT as a whole.

[@relic5752]

Which one?

[@ghostfear2011]

@@relic5752 Qrow is one that was 100% because behind the scenes drama happened. That was Vic’s character. RT immediately fired him after the false allegations came out against him.

[@LucaxCorp]

@@ghostfear2011 - That entire scandal was the end of my ability to have respect for so many VAs. A shame, I actually liked the work of a few of them.

[@RachelScalfani]

@@LucaxCorp After what happened to Vic, I stopped listening to dubs. They were going downhill anyways. That was the last straw.

[@hannana.4319]

@@RachelScalfani well hey now, there are really good dub shows and dub voice actors out there ya know? (Talent wise and personality wise) But I also completely understand, after discovering one of the va’s that I actually like her work and then she got involved in the drama (not in a good way either) I almost lost faith honestly.

[@Veprem]

They wanted Ironwood to be the Tin Man who lost his heart. But he didn't lose his heart. He lost his brain.

[@Mangakamen]

Everyone lost their brain.

[@RickyUzumaki993]

@@Mangakamen Yes, they did. Because the writers are morons

[@inconemay1441]

He's supposed to be the tin man??

[@kidprime6863]

​@@MangakamenHe basically became Megatron

[@kidprime6863]

​@@inconemay1441More like Sentinel Prime from DOTM

[@xlegacyzero8878]

I was so upset with Emerald's "redemption arc" not once did she question her actions or try to find out if things were going on that were more sinister then what she was acceptable with. No she did a complete 180 once she find out no one was safe not even her. just self-preservation? wtf!

[@flowersandcheesecake1710]

Yeah it’s not a redemption arc then if she doesn’t feel bad for what she did and wants to repent! WTF writers

[@randomcenturion7264]

@@flowersandcheesecake1710 To be fair, RT doesn't seem to grasp morals that well. These are the same people that thought Whitely, the abused and abandoned younger brother, needed to "Redeem" himself to his bitch of a sister who, instead of protecting or rescuing her little brother from an abusive household, decided to go LARPing as a monster-hunter and then proceeded to make his life even more difficult and not even offer so much as an apology. In this show, if a man so much as disagrees with a woman, he's evil. And if a woman wants to just "switch sides" for no other reason than survival without a hint of remorse for the lives she helped take (she's indirectly responsible for Penny's first death, Pyrrha's death and Yang losing her arm, by helping Cinder in the first place) then we're supposed to just fawn over her "Brave" decision. Bottom line, Rooster Teeth doesn't understand how to right Good and Evil, probably because they've spent so much time being evil while trying to convince everyone and themselves they are good.

[@RickyUzumaki993]

@@randomcenturion7264 Pretty much…

[@davidjohnson4171]

I got a hot take; Emerald was only redeemed because it was a fan theory from V3.

[@RickyUzumaki993]

@@davidjohnson4171 Most likely, sadly…

[@shinkaiatsuya950]

Watching someone transform instead of attacking. Goku: Because you don't ruin a good transformation.

[@Ramsey276one]

Actually it is debatable in certain IPs Some are really quick in-universe but the audience gets eye candy. Problem is, sometimes we aren’t told that...

[@jouheikisaragi6075]

My favorite joke about transformations in fiction comes from the Kazumi Magica manga(a prequel to Madoka Magica). So the characters are getting attacked by a Witch(the series's boss mooks) and Kazumi does her transformation sequence in a hurry. She did it so fast she forgot to make the skirt and her friends had to scold her for streaking.

[@fusionxtras]

Goku is a battle junkie. He wants people to be stronger and give him a good fight

[@jamesdigennaro6705]

Eren: Hold my beer.

[@93ImagineBreaker]

@@jamesdigennaro6705 laughs in infermon

[@KamisamanoOtaku]

"I'm the guy the RWBY fandom loves to hate." That really doesn't narrow it down. XD

[@unchartedraider7547]

There are like 4 people

[@tempusmars6272]

@@unchartedraider7547 It's really anyone who doesn't agree with the yellowjacket hivemind to be honest.

[@unchartedraider7547]

@@tempusmars6272 True. I hated Jaune on Tumblr now they all hate me for not liking a character who's whole existence is stupid

[@tempusmars6272]

@@unchartedraider7547 Jaune low key at this point, is a spot light stealing moron. In comparison to the rest of the cast though he's okay, which says more about them then it does him.

[@unchartedraider7547]

@@tempusmars6272 You say that like it is hard to be better than the CardBoard villains with no personality-

[@izilladkilla]

I honestly feel like Ironwood's Semblance was some crap made up by the writers during that zoom meeting. Not *once* is Mettle shown, explained, or even mentioned in the show; and this is strange since there's almost always an exposition dump on what a character's Semblance does. Ironwood's horrific actions and psychotic behavior are portrayed to be a conscious choice on his part and the writers don't treat it as a tragedy, rather they do everything in their power to make him as unlikeable as possible. His allies aren't sympathetic toward him or try to help him, which is especially weird in Winter's case since she and Ironwood are so close that she'd *have* to know about his Semblance and its effect on his mental state. Furthermore, when Ironwood's Aura is depleted (which disables someone's Semblance, according to the writers) Ironwood *still* acts crazy, kills Jacques, and tries to kill Winter.

[@garretstevens742]

I'm surprised they didn't make him start kicking puppies just to try to make him more evil

[@thejasminedragonmerchant6843]

If I recall correctly, Ironwood's semblance was mentioned (well, more like possibly made up on the spot judging by the tonal delivery) during a live panel by Miles, so you're not really too far off.

[@RickyUzumaki993]

Sad part is that you’re not wrong…

[@thomasraines1396]

@@thejasminedragonmerchant6843 it was yes.

[@kidprime6863]

I still think his Semblance, Mettle, could've worked if it was properly utilized in story. Why not have it not only strengthen his resolve but the resolve of his own soldiers and allies? It would give him and his troops an edge in battle. Making them more determined to win the fight and keep on going no matter how many numbers they losing. Forcing their enemies to retreat because of his army's relentless numbers. Kinda like Bastila's Battle Meditation from Knights of the Old Republic. But Ironwood decided to use it wisely and carefully because it can give him tunnel vision as it can strengthen any resolve, no matter the morality of it. Once he sets a goal, he almost can't stop. And it doesn't help that he's naturally bullheaded. And it can be dangerous if he's emotionally compromised. Also another reason that while it gives his forces an edge in battle, it can potentially stretch his forces thin and rapidly diminish all of their man power. Nor does he want to control his men like robots. Thus, he can only use it when desperate times call for desperate measures. Like what's going in V8 for instance. Come to think of it, Ironwood should've been temporarily removed from command in the first place after the whole Battle of Beacon and the Dust Embargo. I know from a military standpoint that if a general is mentally unstable, emotionally compromised or suffering from PTSD, they will be removed from command, by force if necessary. If a general can't keep his head on, he's a danger to them all. If Atlas' military doctrine is anything like ours, that's what should've been done. Winter, being second-in-command, would have assumed temporary command until Ironwood calmed down. But that's blind loyalty for ya.

[@ragalyiakos]

I still think HBomberguy summed up RWBY the best: "The show occasionally THREATENS to suddenly become good, and so you keep watching." The show always skirts just barely below being actually good, and there are brief moments (the latter half of Volume 3 comes to mind) where the show, even if for a moment, starts becoming enjoyable...And then just stops. You watch the next episode thinking that MAYBE the next episode is where the show finally gets as good as it could be, but it never does. Rooster Teeth would win my undying respect if they just cut their losses and rebooted the whole show from the very start with new lead writers.

[@JaesWasTaken]

I cannot blame anyone for being tired of RWBY. The writers of RWBY simply don't know how to write a story at all and never have. They constantly make the same mistakes over and over again and never seem to learn. The first three volumes that everyone consistently says are the "best volumes" were due to Monty's fight scene choreography, but I think a lot of folks get wrong that Monty had any sort of grand or over arching plan as he's stated in interviews that he "left the details to Miles and Kerry. This has been evident since day one, but RWBY is a neat idea and we all rolled with it in the hopes it'll get better. Monty's fight scene choreography carried the show for the first three volumes. Then we got the rose tinted glasses ripped off when RWBY didn't have Monty's expertise to carry the show through anymore. 8 Volumes later, and nothing has changed or really improved with the fundamental story telling elements and plot always supersedes characters and any development. I'd be willing to bet that if we stopped watching RWBY now and waited until the last episode aired, absolutely nothing of value will be lost on missing however many episodes of the show are left as nothing will happen that will be important to concluding whatever the final confrontation will be at this point. Why? Because they've consistently shown that only the current episode is canon and characters are tools to make the plot happen (rather than the characters driving the plot to happen through, you know, their character).

[@frenchfriedbagel7035]

Wasn’t season 3 the tournament? Monty was gone by then.

[@Pbness]

I know that, in a lot of instances, Monty's fight scenes provided more instances of showing and not telling than the rest of the show (what Miles and Kerry wrote). And those little instances along with the fight choreography gave the hope of a better show. The plot problems also added to the charm of it being by a smaller team and not a large company, something a little more forgivable when you don't have the funding to know if a show is going to take off or not. Monty also argued with Miles and Kerry a lot on things that they wanted to put in that Monty disagreed with. And while the whole of Volumes 1-3 aren't perfect by any stretch of the imagination, at least there's character development and, for the majority of the time, the characters actions make sense. I think we have Monty to thank for pushing back on things that could've arguably made the show a lot worse. I just wish Monty was still alive because even if we had a crap show, we'd at least have fantastic fight scenes..

[@aleciad7218]

You're 100% right with the rose-tinted glasses. Excluding the fight scenes, volumes 1-3 were actually very poorly written, with some scenes being downright terrible--Jaune not knowing what Auras were and Pyrrha infodumping it to him comes to mind. It was clear the writers were winging it from the very beginning, and that would've been okay as long as they had learned from their mistakes and IMPROVED, especially during volume 4...but no, the writing got significantly worse from there.

[@JaesWasTaken]

@@frenchfriedbagel7035 Monty often worked ahead with his scenes etc. so most of his contribution to Volume 3 was done by the time of his unfortunate death. This also often caused other pacing issues throughout the early Volumes. Hbomberguy did a fantastic break down on the issues with RWBY and would recommend checking it out if you haven't already (though I find most folks that view critiques of RWBY have probably already seen it).

[@RickyUzumaki993]

Sadly accurate as fuck, my friend. Sadly accurate as fuck…

[@phoenixpoole7667]

Is this how Voltron fans felt? If so, there’s a common ground.

[@GamerBoy870]

I hate how Voltron ended hurts even to this day

[@kimberlybogert7031]

I hated how star vs ended and bit disappointed how Su ended..but am trying my best to let things go and move on with other things. I haven't seen too much of voltron but I heard it didn't end too good:/

[@jjpark98]

@@kimberlybogert7031 I too was kind of disappointed with the end of svtfoe. It clearly needed at least another season to wrap things up, but of course daddy Disney said fuck you to Nefcy.

[@kimberlybogert7031]

@@jjpark98 Yeah it did.=_=

[@TupocalypseShakur]

Voltron had an excuse, they were practically blackmailed and had to rewrite the thing last minute

[@colt1903]

RWBY in a Nutshell: Terrible Writers Ruin Great Ideas. Anyone that disagrees with that, I'm sorry, but you are wrong.

[@CoralCopperHead]

That would've required there to be great ideas to begin with.

[@Game-ne5nb]

@@CoralCopperHead Well, yeah? There's a reason the trailers have millions of views and people praising them. There were tons of great ideas, all with poor executions.

[@jamesm6479]

You are very closed minded

[@broly7784]

@@Game-ne5nb People praise shitty stuff it's well known. Look at anime

[@Game-ne5nb]

@@broly7784 Please enlighten me why the ideas and trailers are shitty then.

[@TsarFrancisDrake]

You know it's bad when a lot of the most watched RWBY youtube videos, that aren't music or the show itself, are criticism videos. Seems like every season, more and more people are jumping ship, every new episode becoming the "straw that broke the camel's back" for someone. At the very least, the toxic part of the fandom is now heavily outnumbered.

[@RickyUzumaki993]

Got that right

[@seenl6eight258]

It’s depressing

[@kidprime6863]

I miss the days when the RWBY FNDM was small and not so divided. If V9 hadn't come along, I would've jumped ship, too. It ain't perfect but it was way better than V8 by a long shot.

[@Secret-Side-5]

I feel like Rwby is a cautionary tale of what happens when you don't know how your story is going to end, and be cause of that it suffers from every time the writers come up with a new idea it gets put in regardless of if it makes sense or not. This 'May' have been fine in vol. 1-3 cause at the time the story was more or less just there as a bridge between Monty's fight scenes, which lets be real lets be honest MONTY'S FIGHT SCENES WERE THE ENTIRE REASON THE SHOW WAS GREENLIGHTED AND WAS ORIGINALLY AS POPULAR AS IT WAS.

[@jamesbond3w]

From what I heard in other videos, there are two ways of story telling 1. Having an end goal and building from step 1 to reach that end goal 2. Having a beginning base and building everything on top of that to gain some sort of long term adventure and resolution Obviously both have their risks and rewards but the RT writers really messed up with their "Building from the base" option. When Monty Oum passed, his "base, ended up getting adopted by the new writers and since they comeptlely ignored the baseline he had in mind, lots of detailed got mixed or lost. They had no goal in mind so everything ends up turning left instead of right. (Characters start drinking potions of forgetfulness and lose their original character developments for the sake of plot)

[@Justin-ui5ti]

Yep, Monty was a legendary animator but to make a story? Not really. RvB has a similar origins in which it was a sitcom for Halo but turned into a rich story of its own. RWBY's origins were similar but the story and development of characters were handled poorly.

[@Saltedroastedcaramel]

It's possible that Monty - when he was alive of course - had a plan about what to do with the series, but Rooster Teeth scrapped the majority of the plan, kept pieces of it and possibly placed them in different places after he died. That's my theory on it.

[@mumflerdinclebottom5507]

I don't claim to be the best writer in the world but even I know when you write a story, you plan it out

[@Saltedroastedcaramel]

@@mumflerdinclebottom5507 Or at least keep up with what you've written recently. Rwby is so inconsistent, the episodes or even scenes retcon each other.

[@Roloki454]

For Cinders backstory, I think it would’ve made more sense if Rhodes was actually just evil and he knew what he was doing was gonna raise a monster and that’s just what he wanted. So when she actually kills her foster family, and Rhodes finds her afterwards, you realize “Oh he wasn’t stupid, he was just evil.”

[@amirgarcia547]

That’d actually be pretty smart tbh, if he had a vendetta against Cinder’s family and so trained her in the hopes that she would kill them one day. It’d also have it make sense as to why he didn’t try to get her out of her abusive household. Too bad the writers aren’t competent enough to even consider that though-

[@thatguywithanumbrella]

Now, I'm a little upset because that kind of backstory would have been great. they could have run away together after that as criminals until his untimely demise at the hand of someone from Ozpin's circle, giving Cinder reason to hate Ozpin and join Salem. also would be cool if Cinder has plans of betraying Salem, because she reminds her of her abusers more and more everyday.

[@Pootis-Spencer]

Alternative backstory for Rhodes: He's not only some random huntsman that accidently was the only one that noticed Cinder's suffering, he's one of Salem's most trusted followers, he uses the cover of a huntsman (that he officially is, but "works alone") to be anywhere he wants and if someone questions him, he says he saw a grimm nearby or he's doing huntsman office. His mission is to locate the maidens and for that he has a nomadic lifestyle that makes him be in hotels a lot while he searchs the areas. That's why he's in the same hotel as Cinder. After seeing her, he sees potential in a ally for his own, and even if he decides to train her, he leaves her with her step mother so her empathy and sanity decreases and becomes more easy to manipulate. After Cinder kills her family, he takes her and (kinda) gaslight her into staying with him and following him anywhere he goes, he takes Cinder to meet Salem and uses his status to convince Salem to keep her, and give her a taste of a "better life": as long as she obeys, she's not mistreated, and if she succeds in the missions, she gets treats. All by the hand of Rhodes that just wants a obedient sidekick, and Cinder takes and obeys without question because he was the man that get her out of one hell, not knowing he put her into another. Rhodes eventually dies in another mission (maybe they encounter the Fall maiden but they fail to capture her), he gets badly injured and even with Cinder trying to get him to the base for Salem to heal him, is too late for him, he gives Cinder "words of advise" so she can do the same he did to her: find misserable people she can reclute to Salem. Any cost is necessary if Salem wins at the end, that's why she endures all the pain for her grim arm and shocks of Salem. Rhodes just sees Cinder as an easy to manipule girl, while Cinder sees Rhodes as her father figure and the legacy she needs to carry.

[@crucialstormxyz9352]

Jeez, so many cool ideas from this alone that actually makes her backstory alot better for the story as a whole.

[@prehistorichero2755]

Why not portray this version of the original Cinderella story characters backward: Cinder was evil and abusive even from the start, her step-sisters were kind, cute and likable, and her step-mother is a good caring parent? Her backstory in the canon version felt lazy and poorly written as the writers thought having a villain with a tragic backstory makes it automatically a 'good villain', but it was not true when Lord Voldemort, Pennywise and King Ghidorah are great villains despite without sympathy, and even Maleficent in the live-action Disney film was criticized for being tragic, unlike the original version, and Anikan Skywalker was criticized as a 'bad character' while being tragic back then. I think the writers are ripping off Thanos and decided to borrow that idea and put that in context; I personally thought Thanos is an overrated villain because of it.

[@jacobszymczak9323]

The problem with team RWBY is by Volume 8 the entire world is clearly at war for survival and it is going terribly. Whole kingdoms are being toppled, tons of civilians are drying, and you have to do everything you can to save who you can and ensure you can still fight another day. "Saving everyone" is a noble goal, but they need to consider how they plan to do that. They should know better by now that sacrifices have to be made for the greater good or else you might loose everything but they somehow are still acting like fresh beacon students and are somehow not considered to be in the wrong or missing info, no, RWBY are the only people who are in the right and everyone else is wrong. Ironwood is nothing but helpful and tries to save at least half of the people about to be killed, but no, he's just a "genocide general" who's evil because he has robot parts and the "right decision" was to let both cities be destroyed and teleport people from a cold climate to the desert full of grimm. RWBY as a show is like some of those awful houses from those HGTV "fixxer upper" shows. "Its got good bones" but you need to strip just about all of it out down to the very base parts and start fresh to get a proper, good, result. RWBY needs a reboot asap but I doubt it'll ever happen. Roosterteeth is too stubborn to change and probably makes them too much money for them to consider selling the rights to someone who could fix it

[@BleachBlue04]

How in the ever loving Oum did we go from a world built solely as a stage for epic fight scenes (Dead Fantasy but bigger) to pointless self inserts (Jaune, Neptune, Blake and possibly more), demonizing characters who are good people, emotionless writing and a non-developed lesbian couple?

[@randomcenturion7264]

When Monty passed away, the vermin sized their chance to feed their egos and wallets at this show's expense.

[@BleachBlue04]

@@randomcenturion7264 Yep, I’m definitely aware. I still ask that rhetorical question regardless because I can’t believe how bad this has gotten. I never will get over it.

[@garretstevens742]

@@randomcenturion7264 I always kind of had suspicions that crwby in reality didn't like Monty for not bowing to them like showing yang meeting raven

[@BleachBlue04]

@@garretstevens742 yeah, I had those feelings, too. Very good point.

[@thomasraines1396]

The hack writers took over like an inoperable cancer.

[@martinfreemon7134]

I'm still going crazy about the fact the The Hound literally had it's back turned against Yang, Jaune, and Ren for a good 10 seconds while it was transforming to grow wings, but nobody had the braincells to attack it.

[@Tainted_Human]

"they were scared" Yeah and they've been brave enough to attack grimm before. Things that to them should've been scarier. Because they weren't that trained back then. Now. After all this. They froze when a grimm was defenseless and about to take their friends

[@sean-sean-2083]

@@Tainted_Human yo did this seriously happen? I stopped watching in volume 2 after all.

[@Tainted_Human]

@@sean-sean-2083 yeah

[@noahwiley2846]

@@sean-sean-2083 here's my recommendations so you don't have to suffer anymore. Re Zero The magnificent kotobaki The heroic legend of prince arslin My hero academia Zatch Bell

[@wowdude5056]

@@noahwiley2846 dude this is the third time i've seen this comment stop suggesting your shitty taste in anime

[@jmaster4941]

With their (lack of) interactions in recent volumes, if you never told me that Yang and Ruby were sisters, then I would never know that they were sisters. They have the worst sibling bond of any fictional duo I've come across. Wario and Waluigi have a better sibling bond and they're not even related.

[@nswra3916]

They're sisters?! I thought they just met on the bus somewhere and ended up being assigned to the same group project.

[@jmaster4941]

@@nswra3916 Granted, they're step-sisters but yeah. The show does an absolutely garbage job of helping us understand it. Yang mostly interacts with her love-puppet Blake, and Ruby literally does whatever the hell the plot wants her to while seeking no guidance from her sister at all. Which results in Weiss being the only sane, rational character out of the major cast. Which is saying something. But yeah, if you made Ruby and Yang just a pair of friends and removed the fact that they're (somewhat) related, the show wouldn't change at all. Nice job, RT. Charlie and Vaggie from Hazbin Hotel feel more like sisters than these two--and this show has been around for nearly a decade.

[@firewolf950tfwgaming7]

@@jmaster4941 TECHNICALLY(yeah sorry to be the um actually guy), they’re half sisters since they share Taiyang as the father which asks the question, how come we never see how Taiyang as Ruby’s father affects her? We see how he affects Yang in terms of hair color and fighting style, but how does he influence Ruby? That’s something I’ve never seen the show explain well and in turn how they both relate to each other as siblings and a kids of Taiyang. They really focus more on the mothers which is fine from a storytelling perspective as some kids do cater more to 1 parent, but at the same time since they meant to be biological sisters, maybe make them share something, ANYTHING. You could literally have Ruby’s dad be someone else because they never establish her connection to him which I believe is also why her relation with Yang is also kinda hazy.

[@burythelight4017]

Pretty sure V1 to 3 sets up the n fact they're sister's a lot. Did you miss out on those volumes?

[@jmaster4941]

@@burythelight4017 And V4-present has done nothing with the concept since. I don't really care about what was done in the past, I care about what they're doing now.

[@usnerdswillbenerds4889]

Finally. A critic that validates my opinion on Ironwood. I say this mostly because I was disgusted by the character assassination, nay slaughter, of Ironwood. The man had a very valid argument to saving just Atlas as macabre as it was and when I saw the RWBY crew disagree I was like "are you kidding? what the hell plan do you have?" And as this video shows, the answer was none. The writer's just plopped a solution in their lap, and even THEN they didn't succeed in saving everyone. People died in DROVES, Atlas and everything under it got sent to kingdom COME. And before anyone says "well Ironwood was the one who made the threats and bla, bla.." it all STARTED because RWBY doesn't practice what they preach when it comes to trust, and on top of that the writers clearly just wanted Ironwood to be a secondary villain. He was shown to be very reasonable if a bit cold in the earlier seasons but they just removed all reason from him and I'm supposed to believe it's cause of his semblance or because of the trauma of everything going wrong and now he's a control freak. I'm not buying it. You don't get to Ironwood's position without being good at handling stress/being a good PROBLEM SOLVING LEADER so miss me with the trauma crap, and as for semblance I think that was just an ass pull to justify such a hard character swerve. The main reason I get so riled up about all this and why I appreciate this video so much is because even if I'm hyper focused on ONE of the reasons you listed for being Tired of RWBY, I do so because I watch it on Crunchyroll and I had to sift through a sea of mindless comments talking about "whaaa? he's so evil. his plan is dumb. he should just save EVERYONE with team RWBY because of COURSE they can do it." Not only is all that bs only believable when you're the audience and you know that team RWBY is the protagonist, with how the writer's decided to take things, you didn't even GET that happy ending you wanted where you save everyone. Hella people died, and half of them were main characters and over the most inane bull. Don't even get me started on what happened with Clover.

[@thomasraines1396]

Ironwood could’ve been like Captain Price from Call of Duty where they both do admittedly fucked up things but all in the service for the greater good, instead they turned him into Dr. Evil.

[@SirNafurious]

In my opinion, they should have gave the Stepmother a Semblance. Like something called "Silence". For example, if Cinder tries to speak up about the abuse, the stepmother's semblance would activate, forcing Cinder to keep quiet, whenever she tries to snitch.

[@thomasraines1396]

That would’ve been so much better then what we got, as it stands Cinder is only kept in her abusive situation for the sake of a crappy backstory. It feels like (to paraphrase a quote from a KZbin channel called “Zero Punctuation”) “A Monty Python sketch without the justification of spoof” or bit from the story “Ruins” from Marvel (an extremely depressing else-world story that was meant to act as a parody of the story “Marvels”).

[@kidprime6863]

That would've explained why Cinder never told Rhodes the full details of her abuse. Rhodes gets a bad rep for his part in making Cinder a monster. In his defense, he didn't know that she was getting tortured. For all he knew, Cinder's punishments were just double chore duty and reduced payment. Plus, let's say the Semblance could either mute or "censor" if she tries speak about it to others.

[@ziongamer6905]

Oh shit. I’m hyped. I love the RBWY community, being a person who initially never watched the series, the ideas that the fans were spreading were so innovative and interesting that I felt even more motivated to do my own stories! After watching the show, I felt like there was a lot thrown out there but nothing felt like it had substance or weight in terms of the story. And that’s a shame because I’ve seen and heard what characters can do when given real love.

[@nkyfong]

I got to watch the series before it got nuked from KZbin and I have to say amen to that good sir or madam.

[@handhelder823]

I am going to be honest: a large part of the appeal of RWBY to me IS that we can give those characters the love we want to give them. Don't misunderstand me, the show massacred their characters a long time ago, but i think that's why creativity was strongly supported by the original creator It was a passion project

[@PelinalWhitestrake36]

Honestly RWBY is great when in a crossover with Fanfics, best examples being Fallout crossovers and Warhammer 40k ones. They just do it right and its great.

[@brendanboreth4725]

@@PelinalWhitestrake36 destiny and halo ones can be hit or miss, but damn are there some good ones like Ruby B-312

[@prestongarvey2609]

@@PelinalWhitestrake36 Fallout and Warhammer would be a great crossover but a settlement needs your help, I'll mark on your map.

[@dudeistpreist5721]

Let's be real. One of the few shows that actually needs a reboot.

[@broden4838]

I agree, except more like the Bullet Girls series (even thought my concept is more dirtier than what Bullet Girls has in it)

[@Starcraftgamer97]

And not a soft reboot. A harder than adamantium reboot

[@MayorMango88]

@E . A Honestly, a reboot like She-ra would do this show justice. Yes, She-ra still had its issues, but we can all at least say that it was better then rwby.

[@t0pdoc]

they need a production or management team who actually gives a shit. Monty didn't die for this. His cinematography is absolutely timeless and a wonder to view to this day.

[@KeijiMaeda86]

No. Just outright cancellation. Like what the parent company did to machinima a few years ago.

[@coreytaylor5386]

team RWBY: *directly leads to the fall of two great cities, leaves another without its primary source of protection and traps thousands of refugees in the middle of a dessert during a raging sand storm infested with monsters who knows how far from civilization thats probably ill-equipped to handle all of them* also team RWBY: "WE SAVED THE DAY!!!! all of you guys are the bad guys for not supporting us in every move!"

[@thomasraines1396]

Also Vacuo has its own type of Grimm (for example big ass worms that burrow underground that are basically the worms from “Beetlejuice” or “Dune”).

[@carbodude5414]

Its kinda funny how bias the show is towards women and how they achieve that through pure hypocrisy: Emerald gets to be redeemed with her life intact without having to work for it, but Hazel (the guy that tried to be the good one in a group of psychos) gets burnt to ashes to atone for his actions Yang is treated with patience and compassion for her lost arm, but Ironwood is treated with indifference and contempt for losing his The "heroes" treat Ironwood with paranoia and hate no matter how hard he tries to win their trust, but Robyn easily wins the "heroes" trust despite a poor first impression Adam is dismissed as scum for any pain or hardships he endured when his scar was revealed, but Cinder gets a 10-minute flashback dedicated to making her "sympathetic" despite being far worse Salem is viewed with respect and sympathy from the "heroes" when her past was revealed despite her actions proving otherwise, but Ozpin is viewed with disgust when his past was revealed despite being a good person Qrow's alcoholism (which was treated as a joke before) is treated with disrespect and zero patience by Ruby, but Blake is treated with care and boundless patience despite having abandoned the team for selfish reasons (on top of being a terrible teammate back at Beacon) and had only reunited with them by sheer coincidence Ironwood's plans are constantly criticized despite not offering alternatives of their own, but when Ruby wants to do the exact same plan everyone agrees with it without a problem

[@randomcenturion7264]

Yeah, Remnant is pretty much Hell for men. I'm unironically rooting for the Demon MILF to just wipe out all life on that Godforsaken rock.

[@thomasraines1396]

Willow Schnee is how you portray an emotionally distant alcoholic, Qrow’s alcoholism is nothing but a cheap joke.

[@RickyUzumaki993]

Yeah, the hypocrisy is fucking real. And it sucks

[@RickyUzumaki993]

@@randomcenturion7264 I’m almost there with you, sadly…

[@RickyUzumaki993]

@@thomasraines1396 Indeed

[@manueljaramillo2520]

I swear all Miles knows how to do is deflect. Rather than own up to his mistakes and admit he was wrong, he just spouts excuses to deflect responsibility.

[@Cain1134]

Maybe Miles should look into being a politician, he clearly sucks as a writer.

[@jnut9494]

To qoute DK West from No Straight Roads Take responsibility for your irresponsibly.

[@dennmael4044]

Miles did admit once that he was bad at "show don't tell", and had really bad memory problems. And then moving forward we saw no effort to correct for his 'deficiencies'. I mean, I think most sci-fi showrunners have someone on the writing staff who is basically 'the loremaster' who's whole job is to sit in on the writing sessions and go over how the magic systems work and whether they are staying consistent with what they previously wrote.

[@dycedargselderbrother5353]

@@dennmael4044 Supposedly Eddy Rivas is the loremaster and has been for a long time. I think that actually makes it worse, that the show is so inconsistent with someone specifically managing it long term.

[@goldencyclone4984]

@@Cain1134 I mean Miles wrote the Chorus trilogy of RvB so he KNOWS how to write. Could just be that he and Kerry together are weaker than the sum of their parts.

[@bluemew22]

"If I don't see a dead body I don't believe these characters are dead." Exactly why I expect Adam to return in V9 or V10.

[@wakawakawakawaka8804]

Lmao

[@SifGreyfang]

We saw him die on screen though. Stabbed, eyes rolled back, fell and cracked his head on rocks then into water, if he was still alive then he would've drowned and or bled out before anything. Either way it would be entirely pointless to bring him back since anything regarding faunus oppression or the white fang has been completely forgotten and pushed aside.

[@GoodNeutralEvilChaos]

If he does, I will *demand* an explanation on how he survived that.

[@benjaminmcneil574]

Did you see what the fuck happened to him? How much more do you need?!

[@absanchez777]

I fully expect Adam to come back as a Grimm faunus hybrid like how Cinder his a Grimm human hybrid

[@Googledeservestodie]

The writers of RWBY have never actually written anything before and it shows. You said it best that the first volumes may have been a learning curve, but it's been eight volumes. They are making an active choice to not improve at this point

[@randomcenturion7264]

Not only are they making a choice not to improve they DESPISE anyone who just asks them if they could, not even try harder, just try at all, period. The only time they put in effort is to silence any voice of reason that may shatter their echo chamber.

[@broden4838]

@@randomcenturion7264 You know, I have been obsessed with getting rid of Miles and Kerry since 2016, and I would gladly try to get them in prison for the rest of their lives

[@xzenitramx666]

My immortal has better writing than this

[@brutalnobody5240]

@@randomcenturion7264 The state of media in general currently honestly, only a matter of time until they hang themselves on the rope we give them.

[@RickyUzumaki993]

I completely agree with you.

[@JKurayami]

It went from ok writing with animation that resembled crayon drawings on a paper bag, to Decent Animation with writing done with crayon on a paper bag. It seems to be reflecting modern comics in that fashion, except writing and art is dropping that realm. Letting people who have contradictory fanfictions in their heads end up writing into canon.

[@davidjohnson4171]

People really need to stop saying old rwby had bad animation, and new rwby has good, because when you say "animation" in this context, you really mean "graphic," "visuals," the actual frigging "background." The old animation; the movement, the character expressions, all the motion in the scenes, blows the new crap outta the friggin water, they were fluid, their moves had weight, they didn't teleport around an are when the camera wasn't directly on them, the new shit teleports, is floaty to the point of weightless DBZ battles, and stiff as frozen boards and use special effects and "Anime Motion Lines" to distract the viewer and convince them that the models actually look like they're moving.

[@JKurayami]

@@davidjohnson4171 I would say old animation felt floaty. But most people understand what it means. So it is all good.

[@Betrix5060]

@@JKurayami The fight animations were great but the non-fight animations were pretty garbage and the models and backgrounds were poor across the board. The models get better over time and the animation quality goes up to consistently "ok", but is never anywhere near as good as the Monty/Shane fights from seasons 1-3.

[@ZombieOfTheWest]

Watching Ironwood's character arc in the last two seasions made me feel what Daenerys fans felt in S8 of Game of Thrones.

[@silentecho92able]

Seriously, im just waiting for i don't know Ruby to do a "Your my queen" moment and stabbing him in the chest with a knife.

[@jetblazethunder3596]

Yeah I never watched game of thrones but I can totally see that

[@Mitsuru14]

That is so fucking true.

[@thehavoccompany-a3]

As a Daenerys fan (though that is in the context of the book version), I can say with certainty that you hit the nail right on the head with that one.

[@ghostraptor1741]

You mean fucking bullshit because that ending was fucking bullshit

[@LooneyLei]

Instead of just leaving her there and then be shocked at Cinder’s snapping, Rhodes should’ve been working for Salem and trying to turn Cinder into a murderous monster on purpose. Kind of like a “change of plans, you’re not going to become a huntress but I will take you to somewhere even better” and then it’s just Salem, and after showing her potential (maybe after a time skip when she’s like 16 or something) she has to kill Rhodes and to show how Inhumane Cinder truly is, she goes with it and it’s like “thank you for everything Rhodes, but you’re no longer useful to me. It was a manner of destiny” or something.

[@derpmaster878]

"You're no longer USELESS to me."? Wouldn't she have kept him alive in that hypothetical if he wasn't useless to her? Lol.

[@blackkitty369]

How does this summery sounds better than what we got?!

[@LooneyLei]

@@derpmaster878 oh thanks! , sorry for my mistake there, English isn’t my first language

[@texasranger8134]

SSomething like granny goodness from DC universe

[@blackkitty369]

@@texasranger8134 totally

[@dumpstermoth3085]

I feel like a lot of problems with RWBY can be described as yelling at the screen “DO THE THING,PLEASE GOD!” Given this is no where near all of it BUT it physically hurts me seeing characters not using everything they can in their toolbox *cough* Weiss*cough*

[@RickyUzumaki993]

Agreed

[@larrychilders6599]

Yeah they literally have the Wild card from Persona made of Ice, use it

[@RickyUzumaki993]

@@larrychilders6599 Damn right.

[@AS-ws2se]

It's really generous to call the characters in RWBY "characters". When really each character is just an amalgam of cliches. It's like how food at Panda Express is to Chinese food. Like it looks like Chinese food, and has a hint of the taste, but people know it's not really Chinese food.

[@thomasraines1396]

“Caricatures” would be more appropriate.

[@RickyUzumaki993]

Indeed

[@RickyUzumaki993]

@@thomasraines1396 Sadly, you’re completely right.

[@thomasraines1396]

@@RickyUzumaki993 it is sad yes.

[@RickyUzumaki993]

@@thomasraines1396 They had potential to be good characters, but all that potential went down the crapper soon after Monty passed

[@kerricaine]

penny's death is what finally did me in for this series. the entire moral of this season is that the good guys do not make sacrifices. they bring penny back, mercilessly torture her character, finally give her true humanity and then immediately she sacrifices herself when she did not have to! and to top it off....she didn't do it herself. she made jaune kill her. jaune, the guy who's entire character is informed by the loss of pyrrah's self-sacrifice is just PERFECTLY OKAY TO FUCKIN KILL PENNY BECAUSE SHE ASKED HIM TO! he is the one character who would never, EVER be willing to do that.

[@SifGreyfang]

They did the same with Pyrrha. Midway through vol 3 they pretty much tortured her mentally before killing her off... Pyrrha deserved a better send off...

[@2097Pyros]

@@SifGreyfang Considering she's now the new standard for Women In Refrigerators....I'd say ANYTHING would have been a better send off.

[@SifGreyfang]

@@2097Pyros needless to say RT is just simping over Cinder and the villains at this point.

[@2097Pyros]

@@SifGreyfang Is that why they pretend Pyrrha doesn't exist now? To sell the idea that "Cinder did nothing wrong"? Honestly, I don't really think that's true.....would NOT be shocked if it was, though. I mean, they REALLY like spiting their critics, and the one thing I AM sure of is that Pyrrha's posthumous treatment was a manifestation of that spite because people who were criticizing the decision to kill her not only had major valid criticism, but it turned out to be the longest-lasting major valid criticism.

[@Lajos_Kelemen]

This whole "bring Penny back only to kill her off again for good" is a giant slap in the face. It's like if you lost your dog, your parents would buy a new one, but starts dying soon because turns out he had cancer all along and your parents knew about it.

[@whatevr99]

My opinion on the show per season: Season 1: “Wow, this is awesome!” Season 2: “This is awesome too!” Season 3: “Whoa, this got kinda dark, but it still looks cool.” Season 4: “Hmm… This isn’t as good as the other seasons, but maybe it’ll get better.” Season 5: “Wait a minute… This season is kinda bad.” Season 6: “It seems to be getting better… No, wait... never mind, it’s bad again.” Season 7: “Is this show EVER getting better?” Season 8: “Oh, fuck this right in the ear!” Season 9 onward: “Whatever, I don’t care anymore.”

[@brokengamer7737]

Accurate 😆

[@jadennavarrofilms2377]

This

[@3Guys1Video]

Reminds me of fairy odd parents

[@amirgarcia547]

This’d 100% be my reaction, except I didn’t bother to watch Vol. 7 and 8 for good reason lol.

[@civicrider5556]

huh, no wonder i automatically dropped mid volume 8

[@akdreamer6497]

Monty Oum: *dies* Rooster Teeth: Mmmmm, money.

[@pointybits6496]

I've said it once and I'll say it a thousand times more. The shows cracks shown almost as quickly when the creator of the show passed away, god rest his soul, and the creative vision that was once his; is now shared upon a crew that only has the base manuscript for what his ideas were.

[@RickyUzumaki993]

Indeed

[@baka-na-san]

Ruby has little character and in the games she has more personality i swear even in Blaze Blue crosstag battle she has more character. When she speaks i can barely hear what’s she’s saying and her method of doing things is not the brightest. Not defending RT with Ironwood changing but they made it WAY too obvious imo.

[@babarshah6479]

Funny that a crossover game made from Arc Systems gave RWBY more personality when made by a different company.

[@baka-na-san]

@@babarshah6479 ikr

[@ashtonbyrd3686]

@Baka-na-san I chuckled about her interactions with the other characters in the game. Especially, how she fan girls over Ragna’s weapon.

[@Rogue2316]

@@babarshah6479 And considering how little that actually is (it's at most 2 paragraphs of dialogue and call outs), it speaks volumes to how little characterization exists within the show itself. They've had years, actual real life years, to build up these characters and make them interesting. And they haven't. It's honestly baffling, I've never seen a show have so much content and yet have so little to actually show for it.

[@linkpopper5257]

even the ruby skin in smite has more personality

[@thehoneybunempress1664]

Rwby is the very definition of wasted potential. A very interesting premise poorly executed.

[@seenl6eight258]

Uhhh, Monty has been dead since 2015.

[@williamharmon4039]

@@seenl6eight258 Why are you saying this in a reply to a comment that didn't mention Monty?

[@TheHULKMAN117]

@@williamharmon4039 Could be a bot.

[@tiagoskinwalk4667]

batim:first time?

[@seenl6eight258]

@@williamharmon4039 well, the guy said “wasted potential”, I was just trying to say why it is.

[@raicrush]

Rest in Peace to Monty and his LITERAL dream series. Can't wait to see your actual vision of RWBY on the other side.

[@RickyUzumaki993]

Amen to that

[@kaialexander6806]

One of the most frustrating parts is how Ironwood's arc is just so blatantly ableist, but the writers don't even seem to realise it.

[@ultraoverloadx9333]

I agree Roosterteeth already killed and buried this show/series a long time ago. This show has already been gone ever since Monty passed away.

[@ezanawright7971]

agreed when try to talk to toxic fans thier call you your to negative

[@shelbybayer200]

I'm a fan of RWBY myself But unlike the idiots that are the Toxic fans I agree, the best of RWBY died along side Monty

[@ezanawright7971]

Monty own will be disappoint at rosster teeth for what at they did to he's series

[@gn.g.6516]

Then again theyvare following monty's plans for the show. Vol9 being a detour was planned before the show even started

[@dr.man9759]

@@gn.g.6516 what plan? the stuff like the maidens wasn't concrete till volume 3 the gods and relics thing was shoe horned in after monty's passing. The show still has no idea how semblances or auras work. they wrote themselves into a hole with silver eyes making any cool looking grim or salem into a joke. between the relics and maidens are now just 2 sets of McGuffins and that is lazy writing. how adam went from a mentor to a scornful ex to assist a popular ship. the general outline like the hop to each kingdom to do a thing as the villain's try to stop them may have been planned but i doubt anything else was.

[@BLettuce]

honestly rooster teeth does what the fandom wants at this point, regardless if it makes sense or not

[@ethanchoi7036]

fandom as in whoever the fuck is left at this point

[@georgethompson1460]

@@ethanchoi7036 Bumblebee shippers?

[@ImmaLittlePip]

@@georgethompson1460 Bumblebee shippers the bane of rwby And all fanbases

[@HamazuraGOD]

Except when it comes to RvB 😔

[@TheWarpForge]

Yeah, it's just shippers at this point. The community revolves around three stagnant threads: - Shipping - Overused memes - Smut Litterally all there is now.

[@googleisevil8958]

RoosterTeeth was a company that at one time rivaled or even flat out destroyed anything Hollywood and mainstream networks put out. Red vs Blue was and still is for many THE best show on the web. But they completely forgot where they came from honestly. They kept trying to chase a crowd that isn't anywhere near as big as they needed. And they sold their souls to the devil. All that's left is memories really. Memories of a forgotten era of the internet where a bunch of drunk idiots online could make a show more entertaining than Hollywood. Ain't that a bitch?

[@Vigriff]

They embraced the Dark Side of the Force without realizing that they fell.

[@mercenarygundam1487]

@@Vigriff The flags maybe different, but the methods are the same.

[@crakhaed]

You either die a hero or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain.

[@pooldacman]

RWBY's problems can be summed up pretty quick. They trying to do everything in one season and they apparently don't know how to write people(mannerisms, conversations, actions and human traits) so people don't feel like people. The time in the show doesn't make sense so it makes everything feels rushed.

[@peacockterumi528]

Bruh real talk. I still think emerald just holding out until she see Cinder again. Until she flat out pull a mercury. I smell betrayal.

[@Missing-Ace]

God I hope that is what will happen

[@iattacku2773]

Yea if I’m not mistaken emerald never had a problem with doing evil shit she is just scared of Salem .

[@Alkaizer87]

Cinder: So this...is what...she felt like...before I killed her... # sisters of Fate: (In unison.) She only gets it now?!

[@soulstealer5625]

Ffs she should have been a neural faction like Neo, a group of wildcards.

[@DinoWithIssues]

I just wanna add that the song in Cinder's backstory sounds like something an 8 year old would sing when their mom wants them to clean their room

[@randomcenturion7264]

Ouch. That's quite fitting.

[@garretstevens742]

Well that is the mindset of the fndm

[@chukyuniqul]

It's literally brother jack sung in the wrong key. I could almost hear the bells a' ringing. It's bad.

[@RenjiMaili]

You ever get the feeling that Monty made a mistake trusting these hacks as his writers?

[@broden4838]

Yeah, knowing that those two would betray and murder him for it because of greed and jealousy?

[@RenjiMaili]

@@broden4838 I've heard other conspiracy theories about his death but thats a new one.

[@broden4838]

@@RenjiMaili Other conspiracy theories?

[@RenjiMaili]

@@broden4838 there was a claim made that his wife purposely used his allergy to cats in order to murder him and use the life insurance on breast implants.

[@broden4838]

@@RenjiMaili That's the theory on people who don't like his wife. Mine is general hatred towards Miles Luna and Kerry Shawcross (aka. mirror images of Jim Jones and David Koresh imo)

[@haziqtheunique]

Part of me wonders if there's a TVTropes page about an over reliance on Red Wedding situations when writing a show's plot. RWBY reminds me a lot of the later seasons of Game of Thrones. Both shows originated with great ideas & concepts created by visionaries, but creatively lead by chucklefucks. And the great moments each show had greatly outshined the weaker moments, even when one could see cracks in the foundations in regards to overall creative direction. And one moment outshined them all: when they were willing to take a risk & actually have well-beloved characters being permanently killed in order to build for a bigger, more meaningful, more impactful story later on. And eventually, for one reason or another, both visionaries ended up no longer being part of these passion projects, and therefore, the passion is gone. They're just _projects_ now, and because the creative leads lack _actual creativity,_ they've become reliant on what are now overplayed tropes: introducing new characters no one cares about or likes, while failing to develop the well-beloved characters before killing them off because shock value & contrived conflicts are the only things keeping these projects from completely falling apart.

[@RickyUzumaki993]

There might be, honestly

[@lsebastian9086]

Hm....i don't know if this term is close enough but i feel something like shocking swerve (sorry if i cant spell it right) is the one i feel aproximate, wich is a twist that ends being pretty much poorly recieved and is often a cause off messes. I might need to think lot to see if there is a trope that is a closer term but thats what i can remember. I know tough...that seasonal rot could be another trope to refer to this but i could be wrong

[@RickyUzumaki993]

@@lsebastian9086 I’m surprised you’re actually looking into it.

[@lsebastian9086]

@@RickyUzumaki993 Well i had been reading tvtropes for quite a while to keep myself updated at some shows or things i like. Therea re some terms more than others that im familiar but i try my best to point out if there is something that is close to what the original post here was saying. Hm now that im there i think i would like to expand with the tropes i know tf there is a precise one or rather, wich tropes would adjust to the description: I think it is a mixoff tropes plus one i did not add. So we got the shocking swerve wich is about poorly recieved or handled twists. Character derailment or flanderization for flaws, arc fatigue for when the big picture is taking forver or stalled. Now since i am not knowleY i don't know wich is wich. Individually it could be just one bad episode or moment, but since they are part off a larger problem and one off them being a constant issue off a twist after another without knowing what worked spreading all over the end...there is a trope i feel appropiate for this: Franchise Original sin. If all the messes can be rooted to way before voulme 3 or arround that timeother trope i feel is fitting. If you want to add any feedback or additional comment feel free to do so, there are chances im forgetting things

[@RickyUzumaki993]

@@lsebastian9086 Fair enough

[@threesofthree6100]

Amongst my friends that enjoy RWBY, the general consensus regarding Ironwood's mental state shattering into a million pieces and becoming antagonistic towards the kids is... What the fuck did you think would happen? He's a man who at this point is carrying the weight of the ENTIRE world on his shoulders, he has done nothing but try to save as many lives as possible since he was INTRODUCED as a character, an immortal witch with a massive flying whale and an army of demons is on his doorstep, and all of the people he thought were his friends and allies have not only betrayed him but basically spit in his face in the middle of a crisis. How the fuck would you react in a situation like that? But no, Ironwood was getting too much sympathy for being the intelligent man in a room full of idealistic children, so they had to make him commit genocide so that they could bluntly and ham-fistedly shove down the audience's throat that "hey guys, you're not supposed to like him because he's baaaaaaaaaaad now." Shit pissed me off to absolutely no end.

[@anafu-sankanashi8933]

irondaddy was the best thing in the show now just another chip in the pile.....

[@RickyUzumaki993]

I feel your pain, my friend…

[@Stachelbeeerchen]

Ozpin is also bad because he turned Crow into a bird.

[@RickyUzumaki993]

@@Stachelbeeerchen Yang being so angry over that was so fucking idiotic I don’t even know where to begin…

[@thomasraines1396]

There’s also Yang whining to him about his lie which he used to lure out Watts (which worked) and defending her decision of telling Robyn’s useless ass about the Amity plan because “she’s on our side, she always has been”.

[@iattacku2773]

Also it sucks that Salem showed up to the battlefield and proceeded to do nothing

[@johannesseyfried7933]

Salem: "Fine, I'll do it myself!" *Continues to sit on her Chair*

[@iattacku2773]

@@johannesseyfried7933 it reminds me of the how it should of ended dubs of endgame. Thanos: “ I’ll do what I do best sitting down”

[@pablox2139]

lol . most of ironwoods motivations were that they didint have enough time to save everyone cause the immortal witch was already at atlas , and then she proceeds to do nothing just so ruby can be right again , as always

[@Deterex525]

What find most funny is thanks to the vol 8 commentary notes, and the baffling things said there would make you question if they even watch the show. But Cinder's backstory was suppose to happen in vol 5, but was pushed back again and again for... reasons.

[@thomasraines1396]

I can’t imagine why, it’s not like it took up that much time or was that extensive or anything. It wasn’t something worth 8 years of waiting.

[@dreadrath]

Torchwick "Lie, steal, cheat and survive!" V7 & 8 Ruby "You know, that might actually work . . . Oh crap." Torchwick laughing his ass off in the afterlife "Aww Little Red, Little Red. Didn't ya know? That only works for villains, not heroes." Ruby "It didn't work so great for you either now did it, Mr. Grimm Bait!" Torchwick "Maybe so. But I riddle you this, Red. What does that say about you? You, the only witness to my inglorious demise." Ruby ". . . I hate you, Torchwick." :( Torchwick lights Cigar "I know you do, Red, I know you do." :)

[@Missing-Ace]

It seems like the people making the show are only doing what the fans want The fans wanted Neo back in the show The fans wanted cinder’s backstory The fans wanted bumblebee The fans wanted Penny back in the show

[@LeftytheGansterGremlin]

Given enough time, those Clover fans will get their way soon enough.

[@useraccount333]

This was actually a problem even back in the "Good Old Days" of the show. Faunus are supposedly discriminated against, right? So let's have the bully character pick on a random Faunus girl to show that. Good enough. Unfortunately, the fans liked the Faunus girl so much, they wanted her as a recurring character....for some reason. It wasn't for any reason I could see, since she had all of ten seconds of screentime. Okay, sure, now she's a character. She's now called "Velvet Scarlatina" and has a voice actress and everything. Except what does she do? What is she doing here? Well, she's a student at Beacon. Does she have teammates? Oh shit, now we have to come up with three whole OTHER characters to be her teammates, because that's the thing you do at Beacon. And give THEM names and weapons and Semblances and personalities and everything else that comes with a character in this universe (most of which were only actually given years later in an official side-novel) Coming back to the Faunus discrimination bit (which we barely EVER actually see), we need a character to serve as a foil for Blake, the Faunus who grew up being discriminated (supposedly.) Someone who's TOO COOL to let such petty things weigh him down for long. Okay, very good, we have a nice character concept going here. We'll call him Sun Wukong. So, what's he like? Where's he going? Oh. he's transferring to Beacon? That's cool. Does he have teammates too? Fuck, now we have to come up with three MORE characters! Character bloat has, and has always been, a problem from the very beginning.

[@thatoneblackdude3333]

@@useraccount333 character blot is different from fanservice which that stuff is

[@michaelflores9220]

Haters wanted Cinder's backstory too but don't like it

[@thatoneblackdude3333]

@@michaelflores9220 well because it's ass

[@fuzzynuttz5092]

I'm just tired of it feeling as if nothing has happened for the past 3 or 4 volumes

[@iattacku2773]

Rwby rule 103 only the current volume is canon

[@amirgarcia547]

I honestly agree ‘cause after the fall of Beacon, it almost feels like this series has been trapped in a time bubble or something.

[@dr.man9759]

@@amirgarcia547 i wonder if it's because they are trying to replicate v3 success considering that was the show at it's height

[@xacmashe3852]

I don't know what I'm more pissed at. Penny getting a body and dying 2 episodes later, or Winter getting the maiden powers. I've been saying for years how much I wanted Weiss to get the maiden powers, but now that I'm more invested in Winter (because the writers seem to insist on developing the side cast over the main cast. Hell they even inturrupted the RWBY vs Cinder and Neo fight for Winter vs Ironwood. TWICE i think) over the main cast I don't WANT Winter to fucking die. Speaking of characters that died: Vine. WHY VINE? That's really all I had to say about him. I liked him more than Harriet and Elm I guess. I never liked Harriet and I don't remember ANYTHING Elm did. So now the Ace Ops are down to 3 and only one of them is remotely interesting. I genuinely would've preferred Elm and/or Harriet to get blown the fuck up, if not just all 4 of the Ace Ops because let's be honest their time is done. Hell their time was done at the end of Vol 7. AND SPEAKING OF CHARACTERS THAT SHOULD BE FUCKING DEAD. FUCKING ROBYN. *ROBYN.* I hate that fucking bitch so much. Of all the characters that had to die, hell of all the characters that had received character development. It was the fucking terrorist. I would've preferred JACQUES character development over that bitch. But one good thing came from her still being alive. She can take her fucking Happy Huntresses back ASAP and they can stop eating fucking screentime. I'm serious when she rejoins her crew I want them all to die asap. I don't even care how. Make it a bad unearned death or a "heroic" death (they don't deserve it though). And lastly...how much you wanna bet we aren't gonna find those nameless people who fell off the roads, living or dead? They'll just be forgotten like everything else in the show.

[@worldweaver2691]

I don't take suckers bet

[@kidprime6863]

Losing the staff was kind of Penny's fault because they told her to go through the portal but she didn't listen. She had to play hero.

[@jd42010]

People in the comments mentioned this, but DnD is a good template. RWBY characters are the simplist versions of what they are. Tropes like wise old wizard, edgy rouge whose family died, etc etc. Except, they don't go anywhere with it. Even the edgy rouge can give you an amazing story because of how that backstory informs their character. Dead parents are one thing, but make thay happrn because the rouge failed to save them and you have a person who avoids talking/ connections, but would always save someone in need if they are available, because they know what that pain is. Ruby had the character prompt of young but experienced for her age, with a talent for making weapons. Now she is an imitation of a character. Missed opportunity, Ruby makes Jaune a new shield and armor in volume 4, but because Ruby isnt as hot as Yang or Pyrra the writer didnt want their OC to have any deeper connection with them.

[@BellowDGaming]

RWBY Died when Monty Died. I'd rather remember the dance they have at Beacon as the last episode, future episodes where just meh...

[@Fishy77777]

For me as soon as volume 3 ended, the show died The animation budget went up but everything else only gets worse in quality over the seasons.

[@RickyUzumaki993]

@@Fishy77777 Amen to that!

[@enviousgaming3250]

@@Fishy77777 same here

[@frankwest5388]

RT seems to think that character development means to stand in one place, say something semi philosophical and then do as you did before. It happens all the time. Also they make no visually interesting semblances anymore or have retconned them into being easier to animate. This studio is lazy. They simply do not care. I feel no passion whatsoever from the script or animation. Which is sad because the main appeal of the first three seasons was just pure passion for fun and out there stuff.

[@ethanbenner6995]

I agree, especially with the effects. While the visualized blur on weapons looks cool on paper, it still looked more effective when you saw the whole path of the weapon. Flashy moves become flashier when you can, you know, SEE the flashy move

[@kereminde]

"It happens all the time. " So, you too watched the Blood Gulch Chronicles.

[@propheinx2250]

Remember the cafeteria food fight? Those were good times.

[@falconeshield]

The series died with Monty

[@propheinx2250]

@@falconeshield then rooster teeth invoked its powers of necromancy to animate RWBY's corpse to give us the walking husk of a show it is now.

[@otakuamerican5190]

I feel like the issue is ultimately Monty death, and the fact that miles and the other writers are more used to writing red vs blue where they had to have character do the talking because of the limits of machinima