I Might Have Cracked the NBA GOAT Debate...

[@4th_tribe_prince]

There is no dent in the goat debate. It pure media narrative

[@GhostNinjaTactical]

I’m sorry but that fact that some “fans” aka kids think that this is even a debate is absolutely absurd. Why is it that the OVERWHELMING amount of people who have WITNESSED MJ AND Lebron play unequivocally state that MJ is BY FAR the goat? This not only includes fans, but coaches(Coach K, Bobby Knight, Dean Smith, Pat Riley, Larry Brown, Pop, etc), players(Magic, Ray Allen, Reggie, Charles, Kobe, Larry, Starbury, AI, KD, Steph, DWade, Shaq, KG, etc) and analysts. And it’s usually only the kids/people that didn’t witness MJ that claim otherwise. Put it this way, who would you trust more about a movie? The people that actually watched the movie, or the people that watched random clips online and the trailer? The people that read the book or the people that skimmed the book? Not only are the people that read the book and watched the movie MORE informed, but they happen to be the same people that created and produced everything the other group has today. So who’s more reliable to make the INFORMED decision on the matter?

[@twin_b2]

@@GhostNinjaTacticalIt's all about opinions because there is no 'perfect' player. This is the BEST argument i've seen for ANY goat debate though.

[@markcruz8952]

Perfect attendance can never surpass a legit valedictorian

[@deonkincaid]

Greatest analogy I’ve seen regarding this debate

[@ammarnapata2193]

What’s the criteria for a valedictorian?

[@ImportAl]

Except that valedictorian Mike has better attendance than Van Wilder ahh LeBron regarding 82 games seasons.

[@ImportAl]

​@@ammarnapata2193MVP, Finals MVP, 1st Team All-Defense, Scoring Title, all in the same season. Jordan is the only player in NBA history to accomplish this. Four times.

[@markcruz8952]

@ammarnapata2193 you must be at least won offensively and defensively with matching Mvp and first team all defense...when I say at least meaning there's more than this.....advance crown are more important than no bearing triple double or playing longer....that's why I said perfect attendance ( longevity ) can never surpass valedictorian ( jordan with having the criteria above and adding 6Fmvp which is the most ...steals champion 3x etc.....) when I say jordan won steal title mvp fmvp scoring title nab championship in the same season is already arguably the goat case....how much more when I say that he did it more than once....to make the story short Jordan's criteria surpasses longevity which is only a part of an overall equation....did you get it?

[@johnceliz9061]

Averaging more assist than the greatest PG of all time in the '91 finals is crazy. I think there was a story saying that MJ did that to prove to Magic that he was the better player. GOAT shit right there.

[@Bkzshowtimedagr8]

Magic averaged 12.4 mj 11.4 assist

[@facelessandnameless]

Except that didn’t actually happen 😂

[@whenisdinner2137]

It's actually embarrassing that kids have to pretend this is even remotely close because one player played longer, and that's the narrative 😂😂😂

[@SamuelWhelan08]

Mj over bron in the big 2025 💔 😭

[@JayLandon64]

Try explaining to them that being better on a per game basis at GOAT level is better than all-time stats. If you are better per game, you are the better player. If you play longer, you are the more durable player, but still not as good at basketball as the guy that beats you per game. It is basic common sense, but they want to equate career totals to the Greatest. How can you be the GOAT when another player regularly played better than you do, even if he didn't do it for as long?

[@IamHailey8]

These kids just never saw MJ... Lebron is their goat because its all they know , it's emotion driven, and longevity is their only argument so they try to use it....

[@Vexbolts_unfollowing]

Lebron has scored more 30’point games and in games he scored more than 30 hes more efficient than Jordan Jordan’s higher ppg is due to shooting more and higher usage with lower assists

[@Vexbolts_unfollowing]

Lebron has scored more 30’point games and in games he scored more than 30 hes more efficient than Jordan Jordan’s higher ppg is due to shooting more and higher usage with lower assists

[@hiIam-un1po]

MJ makes the #23 famous and iconic. Lebron is still chasing his shadow and is nowhere near his "Airness". the end of the goat debate.

[@dansayles]

That’s just not true. Lebron is literally as close as you’re gonna get when comparing MJ, and if you look at per game numbers he’s not much behind Jordan in anything except points. I’m a huge Jordan fan and have him as my GOAT, but I’m also not a Lebron Hater. So I can admit that Lebron and Jordan is closer than you’d think, but Jordan does win

[@hiIam-un1po]

@dansayles sorry but anyone that flopped his way to greatness is not a great player. Maybe if he stays in Cleveland and builds a dynasty he would be much more respectful. Besides, LeBron is boring AF to watch. Even in his prime, he has nothing special about him besides being bigger and stronger and the media hype him up. He is truly a Lebum. His meme names he earned are just too funny. He is nothing special except being born a freak of nature (bigger and more physical body)

[@dansayles]

@ sorry you’re wrong. If more than 20% of the population says that Lebron is the GOAT which they do… then his flopping just like Jordan did. I watched I was born in the Early 80’s I saw Jordan flop as well. They changed the rules in the 90’s to allow Jordan to win. They changed the rules in the 2000’s to allow more points to be scored. Hate all you want, but the difference between Jordan and LeBron is there but it’s not huge

[@hiIam-un1po]

@dansayles more power to u. Either way, LeBron is still boring AF to watch.

[@binodmajhi8588]

@@dansayles How high are you bro???

[@derelljackson6056]

Let's end this. Lebron:first CHIP year 9 4 Rings in 22 seasons and counting That = 18 other teams as champs 18 other League MVPs Positives= All x scorer, 1st in 20pt games, 1 in 30pt games 77 40pt gms 14 50pt gms 1 60pt gm Jordan: first CHIP year 7 6 Rings in 15 seasons (Wizards) 21.2ppg 5.9reb 4.4ast that's an all-star level player That= 9 other champs 10 other League MVPs Positives = 10x scoring champs, 9x FIRST team defense. 3x steals champ (two way player) 173 40pt gms 31 50pt gms 4 60pt gms He can play til he's 50yrs old it won't change that he not on the same level as MJ.

[@hrossaman]

Using cumulative stats is like judging the best 100-yard dash runner by "miles run"

[@reillyhopf6508]

You can't just ignore a large part of the story because it doesn't fit your agenda.

[@seebbsss]

@@reillyhopf6508 He's not, reality is easy, what is the objective of the sport? Winning. Who gives a F if some dude is lingering around for 60 years breaking all records if the only record he will never break is winning? Not only that, he has a 60% lose on finals, he's more likely to lose than to win...

[@inefekt]

@@reillyhopf6508 Here's a hypothetical scenario that may help you understand why Jordan is the greater player.... So, you suddenly find yourself with a million dollar inheritance and you are looking to invest it (smart guy). One of your buddies says to you 'I got an investment broker who has made his clients $12m over the last 10 years'. Another buddy says, 'no, forget that, I got an investment broker who has made his clients $15m over the last 20 years'. Are you going to go with the second friend's broker because '$15m is bigger than $12m'? No, you are going to go with the first because he has made his clients more per year _on average._ You'd have to be some kind of stupid to choose the second broker. So while LeBron has more of most stats than Jordan, it's only because he played a hell of a lot longer. As far as averages, per game and per season, Jordan beats him quite handily, and most of the time while leading all of NBA history: In the regular season, Jordan has: Higher PPG (#1 all time) Higher ORPG Higher SPG Higher BPG Less TOPG Higher PER (#1 all time for retired players) Higher BPM (#1 all time) Higher WS/48 (#1 all time) Higher VORP/48 (#1 all time) Higher RAPTOR (#1 all time) Higher WAR (#1 all time) Playoffs: Higher PPG (#1 all time) Higher ORPG Higher SPG Less TOPG Higher PER (#1 all time) Higher BPM (#1 all time) Higher WS/48 (#1 all time) Higher VORP/48 (#1 all time) Higher RAPTOR (#1 all time) Higher WAR (#1 all time) Compared to LeBron who has: Regular Season: Higher DRPG Higher APG Playoffs: Higher DRPG Higher APG Higher BPG Not really close, is it?

[@lewismoultrie5548]

​@seebbsss Winning? Is LeBron out there by himself? This video just speaks to how smooth of a career Jordan had and how tough of a career LeBron had. Longevity? There is no point in Jordan's career where he was better than LeBron James at the same age... Never.

[@ACEDshooter]

⁠@@lewismoultrie5548lol lebron fans always like to ignore the amount of help he had. Is comical that people is still using the no help narrative

[@777shanes]

If LeBrona James stopped taking HGH, he would be washed up a decade ago.

[@Сунђербобан]

MJ played all 82 games 9 times - Lebron 1 time. MJ played 80+ games 11 times - Lebron 2 times. Longevity my ass

[@timmaz24s]

Thank you. People forget would LeBron stayed in the league if he he with cavs or heat? No he won’t. So his longevity misconceived with jumping from teams to team.

[@Hooddeputy1]

💯💯🦾🦾👍👍

[@Indoprimechi]

Because my never took 1 or 2 season brakes

[@koiyaaurora]

because he's not an idiot and doesn't want to overwork and injure himself? 😭

[@Km-qo6ex]

​@@koiyaaurora LeBron is the dumbarse for Load Managing which does 2 things: 1. Encouraging more Load Management to other teams in order to "one up" other superstars. 2. Depriving fans of seeing their favorite superstar players Both of which contribute to the dropping ratings of the NBA

[@GermanicusCaesar117]

How to crack the NBA GOAT Debate: Step 1: It's Michael Jordan. Step 2: Consult Step 1.

[@frankwhiting3903]

I love it

[@asyetundetermined]

It really is that simple. The rest is clickbait.

[@JesusisLorddeusvult]

Right lebum ain't even top 10.... most over hyped over rated role player.... he's Karl Malone with 1 respected ring

[@17thpyoungin]

@@JesusisLorddeusvultworst take of all time

[@JesusisLorddeusvult]

@@17thpyoungin far from it.... Karl played long time... so is lebum.... Karl got alot of points... so does lebum.... Karl liked em young... so does lebum.... Karl didn't get a ring... so le bum just a slightly improved karl.... u don't know basketball or it's history.... lebum is the most over rated over hyped roleplayer ever

[@DanYeLL2003]

I don’t take any stats from players today serious. It’s not basketball when theres no defense and when half the players travel and complain to the refs every time someone gets touched. I don’t know what they’re playing today, all I know is that it’s boring to watch.

[@thedukeofearl79]

Amen, amen. That's the big fat difference, and it's hard to put into numbers.

[@SISKCERTWaJaVlogs]

that's called emflop is overrated asl

[@seebbsss]

You said it perfectly, how can stats matter when you can pass the ball, the dude takes 6 dribbles, penetrates the defence, pump fakes and then dunks/shoots and that's an assist? In what world did you assisted that? Isaiah Thomas said it perfectly: today anybody with good cardio and able to shoot 3s can enter the NBA, people no longer respect players. (his words not mine)

[@0498kizerb]

I’m team MJ all day but I think you’re missing the point he was making in the video. There is defense, it’s just that offense players are more versatile. There’s a reason Jrue Holiday was the defensive anchor for the 2021 and 2024 championships. Last years playoffs were determined by defensive adjustments. That’s why the nugs beat the lakes, the wolves beat the nugs, the mavs beat the wolves, and Celtics beat the mavs. They were legit limiting unstoppable’ offenses at the time

[@shonrobinson1742]

That’s the biggest difference in the goat debate and it’s taken 21 seasons to not pass MJ or Kobe fk the numbers I look at skills and he doesn’t have no skills better than MJ and Kobe he’s just a specimen a product of his size that’s why u always hear people say LeBron “spends” 1 million$ on his body whereas for Kobe and MJ u can’t outwork them in the gym never heard ppl say what they spend on their bodies this whole goat debate is driven by clutch and espn they trying to milk the cow and in the process they’ve killed the whole cattle “NBA”

[@xosxpress]

Ha! I’m waiting for LeBron’s “Lance Armstrong” moment 1-2 yrs after he retires. You know what I’m saying…

[@mattonkeyz341]

you and me both!

[@jz3663]

@@xosxpress honestly once he doesn’t have control of the media when he gets older I expect all the dirt to be spilled..ppl are scared to lose opportunities right now but soon that won’t be the case

[@troliskimosko]

It won’t ever come lol

[@Visionary316]

MJ is the super car, Lebron is the taxi (more mileage), convincing ppl a taxi is better than a super car is unreal. Personally, I don't like how Lebron approaches basketball, making excuses, flop unnecessarily, form super teams, the attitude when the team is not meeting objectives, etc. He is a fantastic player, it's cool to see him play, but he is not a genuine guy, with a fake personality.

[@reillyhopf6508]

Fake personality yet Lebron is very blunt on what he believes. A lot of the criticisms you stated can be broken down by logic, double standards, and facts. Lastly, he can be compared to MJ.

[@jz3663]

@@reillyhopf6508 blunt? He wears Black Lives Matter shirts then advocates for ppl to shut up about standing up to the Chinese government… make it make sense

[@clipsidevids]

Ok thats too much... MJ is my favorite but no LeBron is not a a taxi A taxi would be a role player like a robert horry or something not lebron MJ is more of a 1of1 hypercar and Lebron is a rare supercar with carbon fibres and addons A Lambo is cool, will turn heads but no its just not on a level of a Bugatti.. i guess thats the way to put it

[@2playschemeo.p.croutes724]

Jordan wins the longevity debate too He dominated for a longer period 10x Scoring Titles 9x Defensive Teams 6x NBA Titles Lebron 1x Scoring titles 6x All Defense 4x NBA Titles

[@17thpyoungin]

Lebron has played for 22 years straight THATS longevity. Also Lebron didn’t need to be the scoring champion he was a better rebounder and passer

[@2playschemeo.p.croutes724]

@ how many rebounds and assists titles does he have? Just 1 That’s not dominant Longevity is sustained dominance. Simply playing doesn’t mean dominance

[@seebbsss]

Never saw it that way before tbh, that's a good point.

[@MrThepeacefulone]

Lebron had less help? “Not 5, not 6, not 7” Sounds like he knew he had enough help.

[@lewismoultrie5548]

He had D Wade for four years. A aging D Wade at that....

[@therealmccoy9948]

@@lewismoultrie5548 Wade was 29, stop with that shit.

[@lewismoultrie5548]

@@therealmccoy9948 Alright , his knees were aging.... How many games did D Wade play him and LeBron's last three years together?

[@jz3663]

I think you have to speak on the fact pippen came in and learned to play well with Jordan and become a legend … Lebron has never let his aura make someone else great

[@guhsuckyamudda586]

LeBron has never possessed the brain, personality, or skillset to cultivate another player, from the ground up or otherwise, into their own greatness. The man doesn’t even practice his actual basketball skills, seemingly focusing purely on bodybuilding (and posting every gym sesh on social media). These are not the habits of someone who’s equipped or prepared to train up someone else in the art of basketball.

[@Clypto]

THAT PART!!!

[@reillyhopf6508]

@@guhsuckyamudda586 That's just wrong and you know it lol. "doesn't practice his actual skills." And Lebron doesn't have the skills to cultivate another player? How about when Carlos Boozer, who didn't believe in the Lebron hype, said he was the best player on the team when he saw him practice?

[@reillyhopf6508]

I guess Jordan made Pippen great in 1994, a season where he led the team in all five major stat categories, something that's only been done by four other players in NBA history.

[@jz3663]

@ … bro he only averaged 2more points 1 rebound more and 1 assist more .. and he averaged 16ppg his career .. I just looked up his stats cuz I wanted to give you the benefit of the doubt … I thought I was about to see a major change in numbers with no Jordan ..yea Jordan helped him become the player that averaged 2 more points while he was gone. Hahah

[@villainahava]

The game you showed for longevity where Lebron broke Kareem's record, and they lost is what I can say is his legacy... Stats over winning. (The way he acquired those stats specially in his later years disqualifies him in the conversation.)

[@reillyhopf6508]

You mean the year they went to the conference finals right? And is winning all that matters then?

[@inefekt]

@@reillyhopf6508 you mean the conference finals they lost?

[@reillyhopf6508]

@@inefekt Losing in the third round isn't better than losing in the first or second?

[@inefekt]

@@reillyhopf6508 the guy you responded specifically referenced the GAME he broke that record. Lakers lost it. Nobody is talking about the season as a whole. Stop reaching...

[@reillyhopf6508]

@@inefekt Had to go back on your original comment. One game (or a stretch of games) doesn't define the season for a team. They were good enough to reach the conference finals and holding a game against them purely because it was the game he actually broke the record is ignorant.

[@faxslaps5775]

Nothing gets me more fired up when bringing up who played against the better competition. “LeBron played against more legends” Well dumbass, he made them into legends by losing. Legends are born by winning and Jordan took that opportunity from his competitors.

[@reillyhopf6508]

That is quite the poor argument.

[@basedcomico]

@faxslaps5775 this is absolutely it. It's sorta sad that so many players don't get their recognition just because jordan hogged all the awards to himself. Imagine Karl Malone having 5 scoring titles and 2 finals mvps. Or shaq possibly having 5 rings getting one with penny. Reggie miller... the list goes on

[@HistorysTimeTunnel88]

lebron didn't have less help bro. MJ wizards had a better record than a lebron team that had Westbrook, AD, Rondo, Melo and Dwight Howard

[@julianrojas4792]

Just proves how great jordan actually is and how he actually makes his team better.

[@lewismoultrie5548]

How long did Jordan have Scottie? LeBron had a aging D Wade for four years and a young Kyrie for what three years? And now bum ass AD. If Kyrie never left and never got in his feelings and asked for a trade after the 2016 finals who knows how many championships they would have won... If Kyrie wasn't in his feelings I believe the Cavs beat that Kd Warriors team in theirs first finals meeting.

[@lewismoultrie5548]

How many games did all those guys play together?

[@DOKKJ]

​@@lewismoultrie5548Bum ass AD? You mean the guy averaging 26/12 and 2 blocks per game?

[@HistorysTimeTunnel88]

@@lewismoultrie5548 If MIA had beaten DAL in 2011, an "Aging Wade" would have won FMVP. If AD is a bum, why is he considered a top 75 player and top 10 player currently. You lebron fans are disengaged from reality. Seek professional help

[@josephperez4602]

This never has been a debate. Only people who are "debating" this are the ones who only started watching hoops in the LeBron era. 🏀 💯

[@SamuelWhelan08]

We done wit the 90’s lil bro

[@LizardMan78]

@@SamuelWhelan08 "we done with the 90s ah" 👶

[@dandremusic725]

Hold on my boy. You said Bron had… worse help?? But had more all star teammates than… never mind. Continue - it was just bothering when it shouldn’t have

[@faxslaps5775]

To add to that, LeBron helped start the super team era. The term super team is used because completion was too much so players are traded. Pippen was “drafted” by bulls. Superstars, not super teams, make those around him better. Dirk in 2016 and step curry ( all of his teammates) and Kobe is a prime example.

[@RanMaru144]

Playing with declining stars isn’t having more help

[@troliskimosko]

Using ellipses is so cringe lol

[@kineticsjekaw7881]

Speaking of declining all star...who do you think were the all stars in team MJs era? Rodman, Harper lol 😂 they were not even called a caliber all star. They were just a bunch of plumbers 😂😂😂😂

[@williewilliamsohp]

That 10 poit scoring streak is just regular season. Jordan holds consistently regularly season and playoffs. I think that should be added is we gonna talk about that

[@tyrismaxey]

Jordan has a whole HOF career with more accolades than Lebron.

[@blazedbeye3412]

Kevin Durants career is the difference in career accomplishments

[@tyrismaxey]

@blazedbeye3412 basically!

[@reillyhopf6508]

Not true but okay

[@tyrismaxey]

@@reillyhopf6508 two rings, two finals mvps, 3 all defensive teams, 9 scoring titles, DPOY is a whole ass HOF career.

[@wordwariii687]

@@reillyhopf6508 Your Ignorance is not an Excuse. LOL

[@JayLandon64]

The Warriors may have been the best regular season team of all-time, but the team that won one less regular season game but finished the deal is the greatest team of all-time. 72-10 with a ring beats 73-9 with no ring.

[@whenisdinner2137]

How are you going to bring up Lebron's assist title but not bring up jordan leading the league and steals 3 times.

[@iluvcakes19]

I thought the same thing.

[@iluvcakes19]

Also he didn't give enough credence to defense.

[@MrKurtykurt]

The grossest part of the “GOAT debate” isn’t that the media has convinced a significant number of ppl that Lebron is actually better than Jordan, it’s that they’ve convinced almost everyone Lebron is, at worst, the 2nd best player ever. Being from Cleveland, I’ve spent almost my entire life rooting for Lebron. But when you look at him with an objective lense, particularly comparing him to MJ, he has glaring deficiencies. Lebron’s championships have always been a result of his team being able to simply out-talent the rest of the league. And even when this was case he still lost multiple times. For me, the deeper I look into MJ’s career and accomplishments, the more incredibly impressive it is. Unfortunately, the antithesis is true for Lebron. And it honestly pisses me off when ppl make statements that “no one else belongs in the conversation.” What an asinine ignorant statement to make. Completely disrespects so many greats that don’t just have legit winning and statistical arguments against Lebron, but who we’ve literally seen beat that a$$ on the court (cough cough Tim Duncan) You completely erased all your credibility 56:08

[@blacker5826]

The best way to describe MJ vs Lebron is that one accomplished more with the right players compared to the other one having the right players. The other one is who'd kill you to win against you. I think that answer is fairly obvious. There's a reason why Tom Brady and Michael Jordan are compared to each other and Lebron isn't mentioned. Lebron stopped the game and embraced his accomplishment of most points scored all-time and being happy despite still being down by 5 points. Tom Brady surpassing Drew Brees in all-time yardage was just another pass from him, they moved on instantly. Brady and Jordan have very similar mentalities, and those two moments are a fine example of the difference between a guy like Lebron and a guy like Tom Brady or Michael Jordan.

[@cassiusfelix2805]

When it comes to the goat debate it's either Lebron or MJ. These two players can do it all on the court they are the two most rounded players we have ever seen. They can go every thing at a good level at the bare minimum. Love Tim Duncan but he is nowhere near these two in terms of all around game.

[@jeroen79uden]

Hakeem would destroy Le bron

[@alfasiger4178]

MJ most impressive feats to me: MVP, scoring title, all defense, championship, FinalsMVP. He did it 4 times. Its damn near impossible to do it once or even twice. 626 Games without losing more than 3 in a row. 174 fadeaways in 97/98 seasons. Made 147. That is 82%. Scored 63 against a hall of fame team in the playoffs 10 Consecutive scoring titles with 9 All defense awards.

[@phil_thíazho]

ehh, not EVERY team of Bron’s out-talented the league. in 15-16, not only did he complete the only 3-1 comeback in the FINALS but against the winningest single season team of all time, who had the most talent and chemistry we might’ve ever seen. that one title alone could put all of these other great players into top 10 talks, but when we talk about LeBron it just gets dismissed like nothing. Michael Jordan was clutch, but never in his life did he pull a team like that and secure a one-man-sudden-death mission like LeBron did in that Finals. it just helps he’s got all the records now. 🐐

[@AJ_Osser]

Lebron can play 10 more years and that doesn’t make him a better player than Michael Jordan. Longevity is great, nice and fun…but the GOAT debate is not about who has more stats is who did it better, more dominant, context, aura, intangibles, of course stats, accolates, eye test, winning and more. KAJ has more MVP, points, rebounds, assist, blocks and better FG% than MJ and that doesn’t make him a better player.

[@ceionteperry4764]

Who is kaj

[@SamuelWhelan08]

If you acc watch mj play He is terrible Higher ppg but worse efficiency doesn’t make him a better scorer

[@derelljackson6056]

Take away both guys' rings, stats, and accolades. There is no way you can tell me watching a game. MJ is not a better player than Lebron. Offense and defense and FT. I just can't buy that. I'm not saying he not great he just not same caliber player.

[@ZuNhog]

​@@derelljackson6056lol, lebronze allowed to travel and shove his defenders. what games are you watching even in Lebron's highlights you can see his arms extending but yeah keep being blind😂😂😂

[@AlBaraaHadi]

@@ceionteperry4764 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar

[@ShortDwaine]

Man some of your takes make me wonder if you actually watch current NBA

[@adamr6794]

Or if he was even alive to watch Jordan, or at least out of diapers

[@basedcomico]

Never have i ever heard lebron had less help than jordan. That's absolutely insane on a monumental scale

[@asyetundetermined]

Is that what he says 😂. Dude lost me when he said it’s never been closer. Man, get out of here. Gen Z can’t talk sports. They’ve lost the privilege.

[@DumbDummy-tw5wi]

Bro is on crack.

[@GenericUsername223]

Bro said their help was on the same level with Lebron having a bit less help 😂😂. Lebum has had the most help in NBA history and still pulled a pathetic 4-6 record

[@GenericUsername223]

No way he considers Luke Longley John Paxton Steve Kurr and Kukoc help 😂 and 2 ppg Rodman though I know he impacted the game in other ways

[@asyetundetermined]

@@GenericUsername223 I see you conveniently failed to mention Randy Brown, Dickie Simpkins, and Rusty LaRue. Team was stacked bro lol

[@Profoundaj]

Also I want to add, LeBron had an 8-point playoff game I want to say it was 2011 during his time with the heat so his 1400 game 10 point Streak was not real because playoff games count 🤷🏿‍♂️ and MJs coach became great while coaching MJ not before coaching him. Meanwhile LeBron has a coach that won a title that he helped get rid of so most of his coaching woes were because he's clearly uncoachable and can't play in a system.2 more things, Jordan passed the ball to Steve Kerr and to John Paxton at crucial moments and playoff series to win titles so making the best decision was likely a part of that instinct. Jordan forged toughness in his teammates. And also when Jordan retired the first time maybe you forgot his dad had been murdered it was not about gambling That is a misnomer they have wanted him to play baseball and that was something he had wanted to do and he ended up growing a lot taller than any of his other family members and succumbing to basketball. Hope that helps 😐 I also wanted to note that you didn't spend a lot of time on defense at all who was the better defensive player between these two in your opinion? Last but not least The fans are the ones who determine if the game is good to watch or not and over the last 10 to 15 years the game has been declining in spite of all the technology and opinions so in that case which era was the greatest?

[@mattonkeyz341]

All I gotta say is - this comment should be pinned!

[@Profoundaj]

@mattonkeyz341 🙌🏿🙌🏿👍🏿

[@Profoundaj]

🙌🏿🙌🏿👍🏿

[@iluvcakes19]

I was thinking the same. Everyone acts like Phil Jackson was established as the greatest coach BEFORE Jordan. That simply isn't true. They won together and solidified their legacy together.

[@aredubbz]

How are you clutch when you are relying on someone else to execute?

[@kjjr3270]

Relying on someone and making the right play don't necessarily has to be different

[@dryames4319]

It means we can't call u clutch tho

[@davidvetere4120]

It doesn't make any sense

[@guhsuckyamudda586]

⁠​⁠​⁠@@kjjr3270”Right play” is a nebulous term that ppl regurgitate to avoid coming to terms with LeBron’s chronic shortcomings in the clutch.

[@reillyhopf6508]

Such a strange world we live in. You want the guy to win, but when he gives up his inferior shot for a better shot, he's scared of the moment? Make up your mind.

[@abet317l.3]

Scoring 8 points in a finals game and laying eggs throughout that series which they were heavily favored should eliminate him from the GOAT discussion. The highest standards.

[@STANKORachev]

Well not true because goat king James beat warriors in 2016

[@aaronadams140]

Jordan was the 16 warriors

[@stump4522]

Chicago Bulls was the Juggernaut. MJ was the final boss.

[@kents5258]

My guy said " I've never seen a player beat a dynasty before". Lol Imagine being called a dynasty after winning one title.

[@reillyhopf6508]

Did that core not go on to win 3 more titles and make an additional fourth NBA finals? That's a dynasty.

[@iluvcakes19]

​@@reillyhopf6508they might have become one but weren't one at the time of blowing a 3-1 lead. They were defending champs that choked in the worst way ever. As a matter of fact, the Warriors didn't truly become a juggernaut until KD joined them and at that point LeBron NEVER beat them [in the finals]. LeBron beat them as they were ascending, not at their peak.

[@reillyhopf6508]

@@iluvcakes19 Didn't truly become a juggernaut yet they won 73 games. Sure, Lebron didn't beat them at their peak. I'll agree with that. But Lebron beat a dynasty. Just like how the 83 Sixers beat a dynasty in the Lakers or how the Hawks beat a dynasty in the Celtics in 1958. No, I don't agree with what he said on him being the only player (or team) to beat a dynasty.

[@iluvcakes19]

@reillyhopf6508 it would be more accurate to say that LeBron beat a dynasty in the making.

[@kents5258]

@@reillyhopf6508 your argument doesn't make sense. What do you consider a dynasty?

[@whenisdinner2137]

We don't care what happens in your decline. When you aren't winning. It literally doesn't fucking matter...

[@cassiusfelix2805]

It should though.

[@reillyhopf6508]

So winning is all that matters then?

[@basedcomico]

@@reillyhopf6508 it's winning and how you win. That's literally what playing a sport is.

[@inefekt]

@@reillyhopf6508 Yes. You have no idea what sports means if you think otherwise. Literally every single sporting league on this planet exists for one thing and one thing only, the human desire to compete and win stuff. Without that, they simply would not exist. Tell me the last time you saw a player in tears because they passed 30k points or 20k rebounds or whatever. Now tell me the last time you saw players in tears after winning a championship or winning an MVP. Yeah....lots of times. Put simply, it is winning that trumps absolutely everything and the rest is simply garnish on the main meal. Again, if you do not comprehend this simply notion I suggest you take up knitting or something because sport isn't for you.

[@resolutionph8402]

​@@basedcomicoagree 💯

[@timmaz24s]

Lebron had multiple super teams. Multiple all star teams and still have not created one dynasty. He still have a losing record in the NBA. That Heat run he made Dirk beat him and old ass Tim Duncan came back on a revenge tour and beat him. This is not a goat. This is not a top ten player.

[@lukadonakick8192]

You couldn't name 10 players better then lebron😂

[@blazedbeye3412]

@lukadonakick8192 MJ and then in no particular order Magic, Bird, Wilt, Kareem, Duncan, Kobe, Curry, Hakeem, Pistol, Jerry, Elgin, Oscar, and Dr J (at minimum) were better

[@FeiLong82]

@@lukadonakick8192 Jason Terry bust tht ass in the Finals 😂😂😂😂 Get mad all you want! He did! 😂😂😂

[@lukadonakick8192]

@@blazedbeye3412 you're talking about about brons finals record and that he has all star teammates then say jerry west and wilt were who combined have more finals losses (jerry west 1 - 8) (wilt 2-4) (elgin was also 0-7) then bron and still less rings, wilt and jerry also formed in superteam in the early 70s just to also win 1 ring lets get serious now

[@lukadonakick8192]

@@FeiLong82 same jt that busted chmapion kobe's ass while sweeping him

[@aredubbz]

It's crazy how you gotta make players fractional to make a debate. MJ played with ONE ALL STAR CONSISTENTLY. While all LeBrons championship pretty much came with a 3 head monster of all stars. And also Phil Jackson is considered the greatest coach BECAUSE him and Jordan flourished together. There is no GOAT debate. LeBron has simply been in the league longer while being a great player. He's not the greatest tho

[@SamuelWhelan08]

LeBron 11-0 mj

[@iluvcakes19]

I was thinking the same.. dude counted Scottie more than once, lol. Like bro, just say that he played with a single all-star during his championship runs. It made that argument counterintuitive when it shouldn't be.

[@keomatherapper]

Lebron faced tougher opponents but also with more firepower at his disposal. That is almost always left out of discussions of this nature.

[@SageHeru]

To add to context, Lebron has his own offense, give him the ball let him drive or pass. His passes were mostly to bail himself out.

[@pimane]

The field goal percentage today is better cause there's no defense, players are completely opened without hand-check, double teaming, etc...

[@akaraikiriakatsuki3157]

MJ won the Olympics with the original line up. Lebron needed Kobe(MJ 2.0) to win.

[@akaraikiriakatsuki3157]

😂 Also. I played an RPG game for over 10 years and everyone else on my friends retired. Does it make me a better player because of attendance?

[@Indoprimechi]

This might be the stupidest take I’ve ever heard

[@basedcomico]

@akaraikiriakatsuki3157 very interesting how everyone forgets lebron got a bronze medal. My goat never allowed his team to get less than gold

[@NoOneTroll]

@@basedcomicoMj was really playing sheep herders and textile workers 😂 My Goat Bill Russell could never

[@MrGyonex]

Media pitting the best vs the top active player since MJ retired. Once bron retires will be the best active- probably Joker - vs MJ. Won't even take more than 2 seasons after he retires

[@edgarmoran5203]

Great skills making videos but there is no debate … LeBron never made a dent in the argument. I I am a huge LeBron sexual but you got to call it as it is. LeBron never mastered wining as Jordan did and the more i get older the less effective leader LeBron seems to be

[@SamuelWhelan08]

“Mastered winning 😭”

[@guhsuckyamudda586]

4:15 Nonsense. Not a permanent dent. I give it five years after retirement before ppl move on to comparing the next great current player to Jordan and before ppl take a hard look at LeBron’s malfeasance, HGH and other performance-enhancing substance abuse, artificial stats, diva behavior, and supreme narcissism. Time will not be kind to his “legacy.”

[@Zach-rg8bg]

Only critique with the “season score” comparison is that it undervalues the weight of assists, which are worth either two or three points each but only logged as one point on the metric so a pure scorer will have an advantage over a floor general even if they generate the same amount of points. Would be more representative to use points responsible for, which I’m guessing would show Lebron surpassing Jordan’s peak seasons though not completely sure

[@mikhailbinion7812]

@EddieBuckets I really like your videos you said we never seen a player beat a dynasty 4:30 but people and you seems not to notice Michael Jordan beat one and a potential dynasty when he beat Magic Johnson lakers dynasty and Isaiah Thomas bad boys potential dynasty in his first championship run think about that people don’t trip off that

[@mushroommushroomm]

MJ the GOAT

[@SISKCERTWaJaVlogs]

according to you

[@FeiLong82]

@@SISKCERTWaJaVlogs According to the world homie. U could get mad! But it is what it is. 😂😂😂 MJ!

[@inefekt]

@@SISKCERTWaJaVlogs google 'greatest athlete of all time' and educate yourself

[@ryanlusanta5124]

​@@SISKCERTWaJaVlogs cry😂

[@MrWhiskers65]

How is this even a thing? It’s not even close! MJ is a one in a million type athlete and LeBum is a bum!

[@IamHailey8]

What happened in the last five years that made people choose lebron over MJ is that the new players are young and didn't see mj. Longevity does not beat excellence

[@HistorysTimeTunnel88]

Phil Jackson hadn't won anything till he coached MJ. MJ helped turn Pippin into the player he was. You make it seem like Phil won 6x titles and scottie pippen was an all-star before going to Chicago.

[@Joe-nd2ks]

49:10 It's a shame this video was clearly a labor of love and then the Jordan 93 retirement reason was summarized as "baseball but really his gambling addiction" without a mention of his father being murdered. It's fine to bring up gambling becoming an issue in the playoffs but to completely miss the possibly most important factor was beneath the quality of the rest of video. I would have expected anyone to "check out" mentally for at least several months.

[@crater044]

It's such a bullshit KZbin/Reddit thing to constantly keep acting like MJ left in 93 because of some bullshit gambling theory when anyone who does even a modicum of research knows about MJ's dad being murdered. It's so stupid and frequently annoying

[@Nakdimon316]

Sorry, but I remember Lebron only scoring 8 points in 2011 against the Mavs. So that double digit streak doesn't go back to 2007.

[@robf760]

LubeRon is uncoachable and has ran his own system his entire career, MJ played in a system for most of his career. LubeRon plays to make himself look good, MJ played to win.

[@NOYOUSHUTUP3.14]

I see what you did there 😂😂😂😂

[@NOYOUSHUTUP3.14]

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[@iluvcakes19]

There is DEFINITELY a debate for the #2 spot. The media has everyone fooled that it's unquestionably LeBron at two when that position is more hotly debatable than anyone touching Jordan at #1.

[@merrylderrickson3147]

If you put Michael's skill, passion and mindset in Lebron's body and Lebron's skill, passion and mindset in Jordan's body, than this debate would never exist. Lebron in Michael's body would have made a few allstar games, maybe make a run at mvp once or twice....but that's ceiling

[@mphase7575]

I hate the term "ring culture". It makes no sense.

[@asyetundetermined]

HELLO?!! You PLAY to WIN the GAME! “Ring culture” is a phrase made up by kids who care more about their parlay than they do sports.

[@dryames4319]

Thank You! "YOU PLAY TO WIN THE GAME!"

[@reillyhopf6508]

@@asyetundetermined No, its a culture where if you don't win a ring then you are irrelevant and it creates a cesspool of toxicity

[@brothercoop2509]

Explain again why Lebron has edge in blocks? Per game Mike higher just like in steals.

[@TheChef420]

Jordan has said it himself multiple times if he cared about overall stats end of the scoring title he wouldn't have retired The first two times

[@casual35]

Give Lebron the longevity crown. He's stuck around a very long time while putting up decent numbers. That is not greatness nor is it dominance. And definitely not the GOAT. 22:00 settles it. The only stat that Lebron has that is impressive is the assists. All the other green arrows are longevity.

[@Mister__Jey]

I think LeBron James has had 15 Olympic players as teammates by now. And then look at the mistakes LeBron James makes. Michael Jordan doesn't have a single mistake in his game.

[@uudux]

This could be the best made GOAT debate video, well done

[@crater044]

Go check out Danger Productions' video that came out 5 years ago. THAT video is legit the best and is still amazing to this day

[@uudux]

@ I just watched it, it was also very well and I think it is funny both said Jordan.

[@iluvcakes19]

Needs more work. If he revises the material then yes, it could be.

[@d.c.thirtythree7752]

There is no GOAT debate Jordan is the greatest perimeter player by far and Kareem is the greatest interior player. Everyone else is after them.

[@card-pull-king]

Congrats on the effort, I know it's not easy to make videos like this, but you completely missed the mark.

[@nebojsamilovanovic-j7s]

Duncan is better than Le broom

[@SamuelWhelan08]

That is the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard

[@cassiusfelix2805]

How?

[@17thpyoungin]

Get out

[@FeiLong82]

@@SamuelWhelan08 5 rings is better than 4, plus Duncan Swept that clown then gentleman swept that clown again! 😂😂😂😂

[@therealmccoy9948]

It isn't close, there has never been anyone close to MJ.

[@card-pull-king]

Let's talk about all the carrying and the gather step = Traveling

[@dryames4319]

31:27 But MAINLY because he's uncoachable and is directly responsible for the majority of his coaches firings.

[@aric117]

This video is BS Lebron doesn’t even crack top five Skap attack has already destroyed this debate

[@allenpyi]

You should be commended for the work you put into the video. However, you made some comments, flashed some charts and numbers that needed added comments. Some of them make it seem as though the gap between them is small. Here are my comments: 1. “Neither of them have weaknesses, at least on offense” is false. Lebron is a poor shooter and free-throw shooter. These are huge weaknesses. 2. Automatically, you conclude early in the video when you talked about the offense that LeBron is a more versatile player without evidence. Where is the evidence? 3. You question the peak, why? It is already known that MJ has a better peak. 4. The accumulated stats you show are not BASIC stats. The basic stats are per-game averages. 5. In Advance Stats, especially the cumulative stats, just because somebody created them does not mean they are important. Consequential advanced stats such as YOUR Regular Season Totals, which favors those who played longer, are not important. If you feel they are important, make the same comparison between Larry Bird and Robert Parish to see who is better. Think about it this way - Just because someone created a stat to see how many steps Usain Bolt took to finish 100 meters does not mean it is an important stat for comparison. The important stat obviously is time to finish. 6. You weigh the defense accolades much higher by giving 10 and 7 points for All Defense 1st and 2nd team while giving only one point for each of Basic Stats and Advanced Stats. 7. The Highest Peak chart you created, two(season 2 and season 11) of the lowest of MJ’s is misleading as they are outliers because those were the years when MJ was injured or came back from retirement thus have played very few games. 8. What significance does comparing stats at final seasons have? Who cares whether you score 4 points or 25 points in the final year other than perhaps LeBron fans? 9. You put Championships along with other accolades such as scoring and assist titles. Why? If you ask all of the NBA players the question, which would they take if they were given a choice between leading a team to championship vs All-NBA/All-Star appearances, nearly all will take the Championships. 10. You flashed the total All-Star each player faced. Obviously, LeBron has more because he played 22 seasons. As you know, most of those players had no bearing on LeBron’s success or failures because in the playoff tournament, they eliminate others. 11. In the Playoff Competition - NBA Finals, you mentioned that MJ hasn’t beaten the team like the 2016 Warriors. Think about this again. Is the 73-win Warriors really a 73-win team when you consider their best defensive player Andrew Bogut was sidelined with injury while D. Green also missed pivotable game 5? Furthermore, that 73-win team was pushed to the brink by the Oklahoma Thunders with KD and Westbrook. 12. Losing to the KD-led Warriors in the finals may be an excuse many LeBron supporters bring up but the Houston Rockets that played Warriors in the semi-finals was a better team than the LeBron-led Cavaliers. You can go look at the results. 13. LeBron took away two (Wade and Bosh) of the biggest competitions in the Eastern Conference. That is the reason why they called it, Leastern Conference. 14. In All-NBA Teammates, you indicate that MJ and LeBron had 0.4 and 0.25 All-Stars per season. Those numbers do not tell you much because LeBron played many more seasons. The number to determine is the Total All-Stars played alongside divided by the number of seasons that did not yield championships. You conveniently leftout Bosh and Kevn Love who are All-Stars caliber players but they weren't because they were 3rd option. No 3rd options get voted into All-stars. 15. Phil Jackson is a better coach than any of the coaches LeBron had. The coaches get much credit for winning championships as do players. If LeBron won more than MJ, we would say LeBron had better coaches. Another thing to note is that because MJ elevates all of his teammates by taking every practice seriously, all his teammates came ready to play. MJ practically was the coach motivating players by example.

[@bananalegend194]

this is sad

[@Atmtoc]

The goat debate ain’t close and never been

[@ritchierich6133]

Great video. I agree with your conclusion but I do disagree with you on a couple point. but still a great thought out, balanced and put together video. 👏👏👏

[@kauffamn1016]

Mj the goat , it’s not really a real debate . Only pushback I have on Lebrons longevity is , his load managing , resting in defense , not giving 100% effort . So playing only half the game , to stat pad on offense . Also , he has been accused of using peds , by multiple athletes , and lebron and klutch have never pushed back , and denied , nor defend this accusation . Also , pushback on the end of your video where you said if LeBron makes a deep playoff run , and possible championship, what’s to say that AD would be the main reason for that , he’s a better defender than LeBron by a mile , puts up more rebounds and blocks … while leading the team with points and impacts the game more with his +/- … obviously LeBron wouldn’t be happy if he was the robin , and AD wins an fmvp , the league would never allow that to happen . LeBron gets so much preferential treatment from the league and refs , and that’s very obvious through the last 5 years . Just saying … 2020 AD had a more convincing argument for the fmvp .

[@TheSlickrick269]

The idea that lerbon had worse help is CRIMINALLY INSANE‼️ Mj never had a 3rd option as good as lerbons a 3rd option. Mj never had a 2nd option as good as lerbon a 2nd options. Bron had multiple super teams with kyrie, AD, d wade, Bosh or Kevin love. Mj never had the benefit of playing with a former finals mvp like bron did with d wade. Kyrie and AD almost won finals mvp over bron in 2016 and 2020. Scottie never came close to putting up numbers anywhere close to Mj to win a finals mvp. Scottie was good but he wasn’t a franchise player who Mike could give the ball to and consistently get 20-25 points against a set playoff defense like Ad, wade, Kyrie , Bosh, or k love. And it’s not like it was cuz Mj took all the shots. The years when Scottie was on the bulls without Mj he only avg 2 more ppg as the best player and subbed himself out when he wasn’t taking the last shot.

[@inefekt]

All Defense 1st Team - 10 points DPOY - 5 points Ummm, what? So you're saying being a top five defender is better than being the ABSOLUTE BEST defender? Cool, makes sense....not.

[@iluvcakes19]

Agreed, that seems off.

[@dariusgordon2266]

You forgot to mention turnovers in the first category. And you failed to mention how LeBron has been able to play as long as he has.

[@bogdanoprea8967]

I laugh at how easy people express their opinions like they're facts, with a straight face: "both players can do anything on the floor, neither of them had any weaknesses". Really? Lebum is allowed by the refs to push, carry, travel, flop, cry etc, he is a poor shooter, poor defender, poor ball handler, lousy ft shooter and lousier in the 4th quarter ... I really can't remember last time he had an offensive rebound lol so is he really able to do anything on the floor? Please stop with the "diplomacy" and the lemedia slogans, speak with your own words and tell the truth. Word of advice if i may, if you can't say something good about x instead of lying just don't say it, go over. Isn't easier to stay put than to take a wrong step? If lebum is the goat because he won once vs the Warriors but lost 3 other times, why isn't Dirk the goat because he won against the Miami dynasty of lebum Wade and Bosh? And you fan boys always compare KD, Steph and role players with your so called goat +2 other top 10 players in the nba at that time and role players? Make it twice, both in Miami and in Cleveland, Wade+Bosh and Kyrie+Love. He never did it with only 1 superstar, he always needed 2, 3 or more to help hide his non skilled game.

[@THEENERGYINHALER]

To even put Lebron in the same sentence as MJ is nuts

[@giorgiodechambre6798]

After watching this video, I realized that the 'GOAT' debate is ultimately pointless and a waste of time. The video was filled with unnecessary stats that didn’t add much value to the discussion. For the most part, it felt like a waste of time. The conclusion of the video offered a valuable perspective, instead of debating who is the greatest of all time, we should focus on appreciating the basketball we have now and the history of the game that brought us here. That advice stood out to me and is a reminder to enjoy the sport for what it is, both past and present.

[@markcruz8952]

Longevity is only a part of an overall equation.....bear with me when i say perfect attendance can never surpass valedictorian or with high honors....if not the case so all players will play longer if Longevity is the overall equation for being a goat....

[@goosnavslakovic4908]

Only part I disagree with is help. I do think lebron still had more if you consider prior experience and production of the teammates he sought out, not just their production with bron. Because many players saw their production was diminished under Bron, aside from AD, Kyrie, and AR. Players like Bosh, Westbrook, Love, and Wade had to make sacrifices to fit in the system where there were scoring, playmaking, and rebounding redundancies. Their diminished production doesn't mean they were less help, they were rather underutilized. Phil was a great coach because he taught MJ to defer to his teammates and make them better if he was not satisfied with their performances. MJ showed he could rebound, assist, and guard the best defenders, but deferred to pippen, grant, and Rodman, and optimized his performance in scoring and defensive help. Bron needed to do EVERYTHING. He had some of the league's greatest rebounders in bosh and love, but he still chose to rebound over them. He had one of the greatest PGs in Westbrook, but bron chose to keep the ball in his hands. He had one of the greatest and most experienced leaders in Wade. But Wade had to take a step back because Bron couldn't adapt when he wasn't ball dominant. Had they switched places, I doubt bron would've used the bulls players to their maximum aside from Paxson, Kukoc, and Kerr. Grant, Rodman, and pippen would've suffered and be lumped in as tragedies like Love and Westbrook. Otherwise, amazing video. Thank you

[@iluvcakes19]

Lebron without a doubt had more help!

[@linkagev]

If Lebron was actually half as good as he thinks he is. The buffoon would have retired already with 8 championships.

[@BitsBlitzPH]

You lost me when you said LeBron beat the greatest team of all time in NBA finals. Lmao

[@portedeaton03]

Yeah he lost me there too. I don’t remember LeBron beating the 96 bulls. I guess beating the juggernaut once is more impressive than being the juggernaut over and over and over again.

[@crater044]

Plus people don't even consider the 73-9 Warriors team as a better team than the KD/Steph Warriors. The narrative keeps changing on those two teams to fit whatever the argument is

[@andreh1888]

I wish this was mandatory viewing. We can end this.

[@jfra2242]

Young Man go view DangerProductions the best Goat Debate. It was perfectly broken down. The fact you said neither of them had any weaknesses in their offense invalidates your video immediately because Lebron is a construction worker laying hella bricks. Again go look at dangerproductions.

[@HorridCross571]

Young buck looking blind. Lebron has no weakness? Bwahahah

[@reillyhopf6508]

Lebron lays bricks yet he's more efficient than Jordan.

[@HorridCross571]

​@@reillyhopf6508Effecient within 3 feet lol. Even DeAndre Jordan is more effecient than LeBalco 😆

[@jfra2242]

@@reillyhopf6508 context matters, look at his shooting percentage from beyond 3 feet when he can't dunk or lay up the ball i.e high percentage shots, if you wanna know what type of a shooter someone is don't look at the FG% that includes dunks and layups look at their free throw percentage. After you've done actual basketball research come back and take a look at your comment. Matter facts view DangerProductions- The Best Goat Debate

[@reillyhopf6508]

​@jfra2242 That's not what you said. You went from "he lays bricks" to "if you take away the best aspect of his game, he lays bricks." Lebron has never been a shooter because he's the best slasher in NBA history. Its like weirdos saying "Giannis needs a jumpshot!" No, he doesn't, a jumpshot just makes him absolutely unguardable. Since going to Miami, Lebron has shot about 40% on his mid range shots and 36% on his 3 point shots while shooting an incredible 76% at the rim. The fact is is that teams can't wall up the paint like the Spurs did in 07 because he's efficient enough from other areas on the court to do serious damage uncontested. Lebron shoots 2.7% above his listed positions average TS% for his career. Jordan was 2.6% above average. Lebron's FG% is slightly higher, his EFG% has been higher in all but 3 seasons compared to Jordan's career average. Lebron was more efficient. It isn't some opinion. You are actually the one lacking context by being ignorant of how playstyles differ, intentionally or not.

[@semajcates271]

Phil Jackson is seen ast the greatest coach of all time because MJ stayed. If LeBron stayed in Miami spolstra would have damn there the same clout

[@mrankles7465]

For the coaching and help segment I do wanna add that Lebron has caused most of the coaches to get fired, which is why he bounced from coach to coach. When a coach on the Lakers isn’t doing well, they get fired. You can see this from this year where they fired Darvin Ham Last year only for them to literally be a little bit better or actually i think a little worse, from this year compared to last year.

[@Luke-sq6xo]

Wow. I don't think you could have ridden LeFlop's jock any harder. Fanboy Supreme.

[@EmilyRosenberg-v3v]

Not to be a hatter but people are saying LeBron has been good for so long even though kd has been relay good for a long time

[@777shanes]

LeBrona James is the most overrated NBA player of all time! At best LeBrona is 7th best. MJ, Kareem, Bird, Kobe, Magic, TD, Shaq, then LeBrona at 8th. LeBrona is NOT better than those 7 players ahead of him!!!!!

[@andrewchester3527]

The fact that it’s half lebron, half Jordan in the thumbnail; shows me you further away from the target than you should be. Because based on the actual facts, LeBron is arguably top 10, no where near the actual goat debate. Media, and narrative driven agenda to promote the current product as the best product is the only reason why cringingly, he’s unnecessarily forced in these conversations.

[@petersonofleo11]

Lebron is a theory. The guy is a fantastic athlete. He has the body type of Karl Malone weighting between 250-270 pounds and moving extremely fast while being one of the best playmakers ever. Hell when he was in highschool he was already 230 pounds and moving at top speed. In theory between Lebron and Shaq should be going for GOAT but reality said otherwise and MJ is the GOAT.

[@chrisakokoh9118]

2018 bron the goat

[@trevorhoyt2524]

​@@chrisakokoh9118 Lost the finals and didn't make All Defense makes you the GOAT?

[@CurtisT1019]

Facts! 💯

[@777shanes]

LeBrona James is the most overrated NBA player of all time! At best LeBrona is 7th best. MJ, Kareem, Bird, Kobe, Magic, TD, Shaq, then LeBrona at 8th. LeBrona is NOT better than those 7 players ahead of him!!!!!

[@thoughtsuponatime847]

None of this matters because Bill Russell is the GOAT.

[@whenisdinner2137]

The narrative that lebron never got the help he needed while The Cavaliers were the number one record in the league 2 years in a row is hilarious. You actually believe his excuses....

[@kjjr3270]

Yeah cause of Lebron. Check the record the season Lebron left

[@reillyhopf6508]

Yeah cause Mo Williams was really Lebron's Scottie Pippen

[@mannysaikuz5924]

Jordan's Championship Teams Faced (1991-1998): 1991 Los Angeles Lakers - Aging Magic Johnson, no Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, James Worthy was injured. 1992 Portland Trail Blazers - Clyde Drexler was their only star, limited supporting cast. 1993 Phoenix Suns - Charles Barkley won MVP but had minimal star help beyond Kevin Johnson. 1996 Seattle SuperSonics - Gary Payton and Shawn Kemp were great but lacked offensive depth. 1997 Utah Jazz - Karl Malone and John Stockton, but limited scoring options outside of them. 1998 Utah Jazz - Same duo, aging further with minimal help off the bench. Critique: Most opponents were heavily reliant on one or two stars with limited depth. No super teams or multi-Hall of Fame rosters faced. Jordan’s Bulls were overwhelmingly dominant, with Scottie Pippen and an elite defensive cast including Dennis Rodman (1996-98) and strong coaching under Phil Jackson. Expansion teams in the 90s diluted talent across the league, making competition weaker. LeBron's Championship Teams Faced (2007-2023): 2007 San Antonio Spurs - Prime Tim Duncan, Tony Parker (Finals MVP), Manu Ginobili, elite defense. 2011 Dallas Mavericks - Dirk Nowitzki, Tyson Chandler, Jason Kidd (aging but effective). 2012 Oklahoma City Thunder - Young but elite core: Kevin Durant, Russell Westbrook, James Harden. 2013 San Antonio Spurs - Same core but more experienced, elite defense, Finals MVP Kawhi Leonard. 2014 San Antonio Spurs - More dominant, Leonard emerged as a top defender, superior team play. 2015 Golden State Warriors - 67-win team, MVP Stephen Curry, Klay Thompson, Draymond Green. 2016 Golden State Warriors - 73-9 record, MVP Curry, full-strength dynasty team. 2017 Golden State Warriors - Added Kevin Durant, forming arguably the greatest super team ever. 2018 Golden State Warriors - Durant-led superteam, same roster as 2017. 2020 Miami Heat - Jimmy Butler-led team with Bam Adebayo, good depth but not a superteam. Critique: LeBron consistently faced historically dominant teams, especially the Warriors dynasty. Faced multiple MVP-caliber players on the same roster (Durant, Curry, Harden, Westbrook). Teams were deeper and more complete with multiple scoring threats and elite defenders. Rules changes and modern analytics increased three-point shooting efficiency, making teams like the Warriors even harder to guard.

[@JohnSmith-oh6uk]

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[@FYFSports]

Best GOAT debate video I've seen in a while 💯

[@lmaonade.]

Great video, next time make the birds in the background louder. Great analysis tho. Ridiculously well-made video.

[@Gre8Ness1023]

This video is awesome by the way 💯🏆 🏀 Thank you

[@theroguerider]

“Advanced stats” are responsible for leaving us with this current version of the NBA. A 3-point and dunk contest of a league.

[@tiredoffools8929]

Is there anything that Lebron can do to influence the GOAT debate in 2025 and beyond ? Yeah he can come clean on his alleged 💊💉💊💉💊. That would surely end this media driven debate wouldn’t it?

[@brhyno926]

Might be the most fair depiction of this debate I've seen . Slow clap applause lol