I Put a Billion Counters on Gruff Triplets, Literally | Against the Odds

[@bouncedtv]

seth getting punished for wanting to draw cards seems very on point.

[@alaraplatt8104]

the classic seth conundrum... win the game, or draw cards???

[@Muongoing.97c]

@@alaraplatt8104but he might draw into something that would win him the game!

[@bblivid]

immediately adds altar of dementia to next game

[@sakaven]

What's funny is he didn't think to Mythos his pain lands XD then he could have won.

[@sakaven]

Earlier. lol

[@1AlasBabylon]

"Five-tuplets" is indeed "quintuplets." You had it right.

[@Gullington]

I only knew this because of my poor choice in anime 😅

[@piercearora7681]

@@Gullington Bruh

[@jbuzzcuzz9728]

@@Gullington you misspelled refined taste in anime.

[@zsep8688]

Cool, now what's six?

[@funkydiscogod]

@@zsep8688 Sixtuplets. It's not very creative.

[@Addie_AceD]

“I’ve never seen so many Cosmos Elixirs in my life” To be fair Seth, you’re the one that made eight of them

[@JoshRudis]

If watching Crim and Seth has taught me anything about magic, it's always play the miser questing beast.

[@joaquintristan4373]

In game two it might have been possible to survive longer by copying the land that cost life to make mana. with one extra double season, seth would have gotten 16x of those lands, and could loss enough life every turn not to draw anything from the elixirs

[@CSDragon]

Mythos can target lands? I never thought of that

[@EclipseShadowScale]

​@@CSDragonits fun to copy the island that puts mythos back on top of the deck with it

[@silversaturnband]

Play primal vigor and give both players a huge stack of cosmos elixers to mill the opp out! also was hoping seth would copy the sou-guide lantern to exile the opp yard. Tho they could probably sac to fizzle.

[@toolittletoolate]

goes to show why not to scoop until the bitter end, who knows what could happen? Even if you think you know how it's going to go some X factor could still happen and change everything. Love to see it.

[@greyborg3846]

I had the same thought.

[@hessler3241]

"Our opponent clutches defeat from the jaws of victory" is an epic line😂 Put it on a shirt Seth.

[@kaszael]

That was really epic.

[@robisan]

It's a great line but one I'm fairly confident he's using knowing the source material.

[@ICantThinkOfAFunnyHandle]

​@@robisanwhat's the problem with the source material?

[@zousssnotzeus5341]

@@robisan source material man i thought i was original when i made that joke in high school a few years ago

[@robisan]

Nothing. It's just a known saying.@@ICantThinkOfAFunnyHandle

[@MrShinyObject]

When Seth talked about making 8 cosmos elixirs, I thought that might be a bad idea. When I saw the opponent discard a root snare *before* he copied them, i knew he was doomed.

[@spicymato]

And yet...

[@IIIJG52]

I havent been following Magic content for a while, BUT afaik Seth could NEVER turn down drawing cards...

[@gabrielostrower8133]

That laugh after the opponent played shigeki literally made my day🤣

[@jaydub5515]

That was so crazy. I was literally just waiting for him to draw himself out, and then that greatness happened

[@jaydub5515]

That was so crazy. I was literally just waiting for him to draw himself out, and then that greatness happened

[@andrewneben7949]

it's my belief the opponent was just like damn this board state is amazing, let's just give the guy his fix.

[@marcoottina654]

26:48

[@amaizenblue44]

​@@andrewneben7949for sure. Seems staged even. But fun to watch.

[@anihopkins6788]

“Our opponent is some kind of… weird token sac deck?” No Seth, that’s you

[@CenJohan]

“In my defense, when we had made 8 cosmos elixirs, I hadn’t really considered that our opponent was a selesnya yorion turbo fog deck”- Seth, not having flashbacks to opponent showing a root snare before making the cosmos elixirs

[@RavenDravenek]

Playing that Shigeki was absolutely the opponent BM’ing and it cost them Everything

[@GandoTheBard]

I thought it was not bad manners at all, lets see that Ram though! Surely they understood Seth's objective.

[@Commander_Skullblade]

That has to be top ten Seth moments. That's absolutely amazing.

[@Chubbies34]

@@GandoTheBardit was absolutely bad manners. Why would he assume he has ram through? And why would he let him win if his deck was specifically made to counter this type of deck lmao. He just tried to show off and lost cause of it haha

[@ezramiller8936]

​@Chubbies34 he absolutely knew if he didn't play any creatures up until the final round and threw one out. He doesn't gain anything in his deck for not playing the creatures because he still doesn't have to block with them and had plenty of shigikis in hand plus it's ability to return itself to the hand. The only reason for him not to play it would be to assume some type of damage transfer card like ram through, a common and powerful mono green card.

[@winssports4830]

"Opponent clutches defeat from the jaws of victory" is an all time great quote lol.

[@RationalEgoism]

The max counters you were able to put on, 1,073,741,824 is 2^30-1. It's kind of a strange value. I'd expect 2^31-1, which is the max value for a 32-bit signed integer. Good on the developers for not allowing it to overflow and kill your Triplets.

[@ericbarr734]

If you cap your values at MAX/2 you know you're always safe to add two together and take the min of the result and the cap. I don't know if that's why they did it, but it's a possible reason.

[@Windows98.]

It’s because the same integer limit goes toward the negatives, since -1/-1 counters exist

[@MooseMoosesMeese]

@@Windows98. wouldnt that be a 32-bit signed integer? and therefore 2^31-1

[@mattiemcdoink8445]

@@MooseMoosesMeese That's correct. 32-bit Signed Int goes from -(2^31) to (2^31)-1 or −2,147,483,648 to 2,147,483,647. Why they only allow you to go up to half of that I'm not sure. If I had to guess I'd probably say they have a similar cap on base creature power for the like X/X variable power creatures so that if you somehow managed to cap out both of them your creature's power would still fit in the bounds of that 32-bit signed integer.

[@mostlyokay]

@@mattiemcdoink8445 That makes sense!

[@matt21643]

The turbo fog game with the elixirs was hilarious

[@MrNesgamefreak]

Your reactions to the fog deck and the simultaneous joy and sadness was one of the best things I’ve ever seen in my life. This is why we watch you. You love the game and you equally love when others love the game as much as you even if you are losing.

[@calebhowe7842]

20:54 seth you could have mythos of illuna’d your waterlogged grove to be able to lose 8 more life a turn, if you waited and played one more doubler, you could have removed all the card draw from your elixirs

[@bobjose1122]

Wow, it’s like I’m back in WOE limited and losing to Gruff Triplets all over again!

[@nickchaput219]

I only played against it twice and wrecked it both times. I think it's overrated

[@demiurge2501]

@@nickchaput219how did you deal with it? I beat it once in 1 round of sealed but I lost the set to it later

[@nickchaput219]

@@demiurge2501 bounce the tokens kill the main body tokens bouncing don't die so they don't stack power

[@Crusina]

​@@nickchaput219...LIMITED not standard

[@nickchaput219]

@@Crusina yes in limited. I don't play standard

[@GreggosGameShows]

I play Turbo Fog now. Seth: "Who taught you how to do this stuff?" Me: YOU, okay?! I learned it by watching YOU!

[@davidcrawford5324]

LOL that old 80s anti-drug commercial. Classic 👌🤣

[@john_djr]

Gruff Triplets being "kind of a bomb" in WOE limited is the understatement of the year lol

[@jesquirrel9065]

I laughed until I hurt when he played a creature finally. I was thinking "that is something that would happen to Seth." And for future reference, if I ever see you on Arena and I know I am beat you go ahead and go off. I would enjoy seeing something like this.

[@bobzour]

I vaguely remember an opponent on MTGO asking if Seth had recorded his deck going off or not and let him combo to make sure he got to play it out once.

[@blobzombie]

I recently played an opponent on Arena Alchemy where I was playing monoblack and my opponent played Abzan with Gruff Triplets, the Three Little Pigs, and Virtue of Persistence. As much as I tried hanging in there, they had answers to everything I was playing. Still, it was a very fun match! This deck looks like a lot of fun in itself. Thanks for dropping some new content, Seth!

[@Oros_n_Ophis]

the turbo fog deck i think you could have beaten earlier by using mythos to copy their soul-guide lantern, then exile their grave repeatedly. they can recur only so much when you exile their grave every turn at instant speed

[@1zl541]

They'd just sac it to fizzle the mythos

[@douglasarnett-arnold1516]

Tried BMing like you are Crim. Almost loses. Then lucks out like Crim would. Truly channeled your inner Crim Luck! 27:57

[@alexandrelima2766]

By the way Seth, in case you're interested the cap that you see is 1073741823 or 2^30-1. What is interesting is that usually the largest binary integer you can represent with a 32 bit system is 2^31-1 ( you use one of the bits for the sign ( whether the number is positive or not) I actually don't know what the extra bit is used in arena for

[@hellocollegejason198]

I was hoping someone would explain that.

[@xchronox0]

Only thing I can think of is a safety net. So if more counters get added, it doesn't overflow, and then they can bring it back down to 2^30-1.

[@wldnrkls]

going "oh no are they turbo fog??" after inspecting their discard and seeing a root snare is making me lol

[@kylehysmith3217]

So for the turbo fog matchup I feel like having dowsing dagger in the sideboard might help out nicely, since it give your opponent a creature to use Ram Through on, just some food for thought.

[@11epicnoob]

"The Quandrix College Application is just math, how hard could it be?" The Quandrix College Application: How many Counters can you get on a Gruff Triplets with 4 Doubling Seasons, Primal Vigors, Hardened Scales, and The Ozolith on board with 4 Mythos of Illuna in hand? You only have 3 hours, a TI-Nspire CX CAS, and an abacus to reach the answer

[@MrSchneides]

I watched this video, put together the deck, and ran into another person playing the same deck. We worked together to get them bois big.

[@johnchilton4005]

I actually thought to myself, "ugh, spoilers season... starting to miss Seth's bizarre shenanigans" .... and this seems to fully make up for it...... "literally a billion" not as in the way people misuse the word to mean "figuratively" a billion, but properly literally a billion.

[@johnchilton4005]

"our opponent clutches defeat from the jaws of victory" LOL, this is a hall of fame video

[@justinrishel1742]

That win over turbo fog, and honestly most of this video, had me dying laughing. Great stuff. 😂

[@samuelgardner2653]

"Clutches defeat from the jaws of victory" I am DEAD. Netflix wishes it had this level of content

[@arsenalfanrichi]

This card is such a bomb. Been using it as my wincon in golgari midrange in pioneer. Really nice answer to all the spot removal in the format.

So kids, the lesson we learned today is: greed is not a good thing 😁 Drawing cards will be the end of Seth. PS: Altar of Dementia would work terrific in this deck

[@Smitty5Zeros1]

After that fog game I have a feeling Seth will start adding questing beast to his decks lol

[@Leevodevo]

Yo i was smiling my ass off watching that game against turbo fog the entire match literally hahaha from start to finish, i saw the root snare early when they milled themselves i never knew what was gonna happen LOL

[@blacktimes9662]

20:48 You could have copied the painlands....

[@r4g1ngph03n1x]

17:00 Questing Beast should 1,000,000,000% be in this deck.

[@loonymouse7278]

So happy for your second game win 🏆 So glad you didn’t scoop! Fantastic 🎉

[@bughouse26]

Did you consider Virtue of Knowledge for this deck? Doubles the tokens like doubling season and you could use the adventure side to copy a triggered effect (counters or tokens from the triplets). Not quite as good as doubling season but doesn't have the downside that primal Vigor has, so I wonder whether swapping the primal Vigors for virtue of knowledge might work

[@HILTSWALTAI]

Interesting fact, the reason why it caps out at 1.07 billion is because the maximum number that can be stored as a 32-bit integer on memory is about 2.14 billion. Because this integer variable can store negative numbers, that max value is halved, thus caps at positive 1.07 billion damage.

[@villjess77]

OMG that childish giggle as Seth draws Ashnod's Alter @7:08 is tooooooo much!! LMFAO

[@hitmangfx7162]

28:08 Thumbnail! That was glorious.

[@reefalefunk1244]

As soon as you opened that guys graveyard you could see the fogs. Pretty hilarious

[@willashcroft2396]

I feel like going gruul (or temur with a green heavy mana base) to have fling effects would make things more consistent, curious what made you go simic instead

[@blueredlover1060]

Temur also gives you the option for the Mythos to be played with all 3 colors paid

[@LightningSaix]

All you need is to toss in 1-2 questing beasts. Nullifies protection, that plus the Ram Throughs and you'd be set i think. Could just stay mono-green for max consistency. Seth went Blue for the copy effect i believe.

[@louisnemzer6801]

The power of compound interest

[@graog123]

That Obliterator play at the end of the video was sick, he almost clutched it

[@ra2.0yeetedition17]

Really inspiring me to make a Turbo Fog deck lmao

[@bobjones4469]

The 2nd game is practically an card game anime match, and you're the villain. In fact, this is pretty much what happens in the Yugi vs Strings match from Yughoh, with the Slifer, Card of Safe Return, and Revival Jam loop. Or at least it would had been if he didn't let you win for the meme.

[@Feeling_Better_Already]

In game 2, another gambit you could attempt with the pair of Ram Throughs in hand is attack with just the Elvish Mystic. A particularly value hungry opponent might see the free trade with the Retrofitter Foundry token and make it, allowing you to Ram Through before damage and in response to a Teferi's Protection if they have it.

[@justincarter7407]

Against the Odds started me on your channel, so happy to see another vid!

[@doormatt72]

that last game was one of the best games of magic i've seen in a long time. what a deck! i love against the odds.

[@OvAeons]

"we're just presenting lethal" is an understatement XD

[@Ais4Drew]

I think I went to high school with a set of gruff triplets - they all had beards, took three different girls to prom, and wore different colored Pearl snaps to school every day. Doesn’t get much more gruff triplet than that!

[@kiyan5340]

In this episode, Seth nearly loses by drawing cards. But the opponent loses by playing a creature. Wild.

[@WikiED]

Would it be better to have less mana dorks and more Utopia Sprawls? a bit more work with lands for forests i'd assume but worth since Sprawls are harder to remove than elves.

[@jeffreylooter535]

The ending to the last game was absolutely hilarious

[@Kristjan0209]

Classic Seth looking at a grave full of fogs and not realizing that he is playing against turbo fog

[@SlayerOfSmaug]

Is there a reason to play ashnod's altar over altar of dementia? ashnod's costs one more and dementia is a wincon as well

[@colecarmichael5724]

Mana to do chord shenanigans

[@williamscerbo458]

Historic is such a sweet format. There are meta decks like wizards and yawgmoth but you'll be in diamond on the ladder and see crazy shit like that turbofog deck and ridiculous combo decks like the one Seth is playing

[@Jidayun]

It's funny that in that first game with someone playing a Richardesque deck, the game would've been over much sooner if you had Dowsing Dagger

[@GandoTheBard]

impressively silly. loved the whole thing.

[@myztik5716]

5 minutes after opponent discards a fog effect Seth: Oh no, is our opponent playing turbo fog?

[@quentinB364]

This would be obscenely good with altar of dementia: Sacrifice a creature, opponent mills X, where X is the creatures power. Two birds with one stone.

[@ecoKady]

If you keep a spreadsheet for your best of 2023 video at the ends of the year, please add the turbofog opponent playing a creature so you can burn them out. It is an immediate all-time classic.

[@Palasdin]

I picture Seth in his head grabbed his groin and said “ Lifegain this. Take two thousand”

[@elijahmcdowell9690]

Kohai really did Wayne it. Pulled defeat from the jaws of victory.

[@TheWorldsStage]

"Play a creature, sure, why not? I got this game locked up."

[@That1powergamer]

I find it funny that you can't say, "Nothing bad ever happens when Doubling season comes into play." And keep a straight face. Keep it up bro.

[@kylarcheng1346]

that turbofog game hahahaaaaaaa

[@draconocor]

Game against Turbofog could have been safe anyway- Mythos of Illuna copying a pain land, slows down the draws by a lot.

[@MagicalMasterMind]

21:00 Seth! Copy your waterlogged groves with your Mythos of illuna! It'll make you lose life to negate the cosmos elixir effects!

[@marcoriley9116]

6:24 Seth, you don't know what 5 is but you literally say "Gruff-Quint Tuplets" -- You nailed it, so no, it is not five-tuplets 🤣

[@SilverWolf340]

In the turbo fog game you might’ve been able to play mythos on your pain lands and paid as much life as possible to not draw your deck

[@RyanIcey]

That was interesting to see, dealing 10, 737, 41, 82, 3 damage all at once, according to Arena.

[@NobodyDungeons]

You could add some white for the one turn exile effects letting you resummon tokens.

[@pattgsm]

Props to Kohai. He obviously could have won and at the end wanted to see if he could have negated SaffronOlive's final attack before he was forced to mill out. That was a fun match to watch.😅😅😅

[@pw5235]

swan song works to protect against wrath effects *and* gives the opponent a creature to ram through

[@NightChime]

The funny thing is that Gruff Triplets isn't just a bomb in limited, it can combo with Doubling Season in limited. I did exactly that, and it was hilarious. (It wasn't great, because there was barely anything else to double, but it was funny.)

[@D_A_D_]

I swear every Simic deck is just straight up shenanigans. Every time my opponents play a breeding pool I raise one eyebrow and wonder what theyre up to.

[@krystallinekris]

I mean, you could also play Branching Evolution for doubling tokens and Parallel Lives for doubling tokens so your opponent doesn't get the doubling as well. Or just play them in tandem so you just doubly ridiculous.

[@visceralconfidence2987]

In binary number, that 1.07 billion power cap is 0011111111111111111...1111, or 00 followed by thirty 1s, I suppose due to it being a 32bit number.

[@101arg101]

I woke up my cat from laughing too much, and now she is concerned

[@thetyburger]

Seth could've potentially coppied the opponent's Soul Guide Lantern to keep them from recycling fogs as well.

[@veeclash4157]

You need a forbidden orchard in that deck to get around the turbo fog decks!

[@Relisysification]

Gruff Selesnya seems to be a fun route, anointed procession, and blink effects to make more and more tokens, like eldrazi displacer, and ashnods altar, cryptolith rite Actually i will do this in ghired edh

[@tcg3716]

Seth, you rock! Did you consider splashing red for that backup/fling creature card? Thrill Seeker?

[@Demortra]

There is one option you missed the option for Rhys the redeemed, basically without doubling season and primal vigor he could have made that many copies, with both he accelerates the deck to the Nth degree. With him being a 1 drop with a cost of 6 to trigger his tap and double each copy of your token creatures he might have fit better in this deck then add in a coat of arms and he is no longer a squishy bean.

[@nebbyott]

If i were in the 1B game against you, my thought process would be "I could, but I just can't let this board loose, I wanna see -1 BILLION health as much as he does."

[@zaneghiskhan]

Opponent is epic for playing turbo fog. So fitting for Seth's card drawing addiction to nearly lose him the game with no effort from opponent And what a photo finish! 10/10 game!!!

[@lucidlullaby894]

The TurboFog game could’ve been a video all on it’s own a la “200 Rhinos”

[@Leevodevo]

Crawling barrens would be a sweet backup win con lol

[@pmf98]

5-tuple is in fact Quintuple, and that play was quite quintessential to your victory.

[@pablogarin]

25:50 If only you thought about adding a single questing beast.... 😆

[@pablogarin]

I can't believe you won! hahahahahaah that was awesome 😆

[@Oliver_0002]

Ashnod's alter into evil laugh lol

[@zsep8688]

I love how this combo is just literally impossible on mtga mobile. Games crash/draw when you have 4 doubling seasons xd

[@elbowremovalservice]

I mean, the most possible power is with Heroes Bane and infinite mana, since Heroes Bane lets you pay 2GG to double the +1/+1 counters on it.

[@Alan-d4j]

Bristlly Bill+ Kami of whispered hope routinely hits the 1 billion power on the whole team for me on standard brawl, really super exponentially fast

[@alexwhite3612]

In the turbo fog match, you can mythos the painlands to keep your life low enough…

[@MrWh33lz]

The day this came out the fog prevented me from getting flights home from work. Fog don't care 22:59

[@warrencedro6832]

24:51 Programmer here, in most programming languages that number is half the maximum value an integer could hold.