I ranked EVERY Budget Sim Racing Wheel ($400 or Less)

[@DJYeeJay]

Corrections: The g923 is gear driven, and the Thrustmasters are belt or hybrid. Tier list stays the same though overall points stand.

[@robertleogoetz]

As much as people focus on wheels, there are so many options for pedals with such varying levels of mechanisms that i would be interested in seeing you try to rank some of those as well

[@DJYeeJay]

Honestly my opinion of pedals is Haptic pedals >>> Load Cell >>> Potentiometer pedals, the differences between brand are a bit arbitrary to me. Would love to try higher end pedals than V3s to see that difference though

[@biggiebagel]

I noticed a lot of pedals don't come with a clutch. How are people racing without a clutch? Is there a hand clutch like in F1?

[@marlonwool1060]

@@biggiebagel Most games have an automatic clutch in game that just stepps in when you ask for a different gear. If you dont have an H-Pattern shifter, you first of all probably don't even need a clutch pedal because odds are you're using the paddles on the wheel to shift and in that case it makes more sense to just have the in game clutch aid turned on. Most cars who need a manual clutch in real life (for gears other than first) don't tend to have paddles anyways so by using paddles for these cars it's already less realistic anyways.

[@marlonwool1060]

When I refer to paddles btw I'm talking about the ones for gear shifting. The clutch paddles on a wheel are still pretty rare in real life save for F1 and only neccisary for immersion on the sim.

[@biggiebagel]

@@marlonwool1060 I am really looking for both I think. I am used to a clutch pedal in my car and would like a H-pattern shifter so I can practice my driving. Other than that I mainly play F1 which I obviously would use the floppy paddles for. Is it possible to set up for both and just change to paddles or standard clutch and H-pattern depending on the game?

[@JSRacing61]

#1 problem I have with the modern budget wheels is being more 90's Formula/GT focused with a flat bottom wheel. Makes it terrible for being a "all-around" setup for those that prefer ovals (especially dirt), rally + off road & drifting

[@invertedjokerr]

If you have a moza spend like 50 dollars for a wheel mod. You don't have to get it from moza. Plenty of aftermarket companies make them

[@DiariesOfABadDriver]

Agreed! If your beginner wheel product isn't designed to swap out the rim, it's legitimately insane to choose anything other than a round wheel. I'm assuming they do it because they think it gives the product a 'sportier' aesthetic or something.

[@Ferrari255GTO]

​@@DiariesOfABadDriver the iRacing sweatlords are real and many people are drawn in, so the logic is that it's the in-between point from formula rims and round rims, it's still a stupid choice given that it inconveniences mostly the people who want to do everything that requires a round wheel with no real advantage for the flat rim people. That's why i like Fanatec's P1 wheel, it genuinely does it all fine with a mixture of characteristics from different rims despite the mediocre overall quality, and afterall it's still the cheapest one fanatec sells.

[@boneskkksk]

@@invertedjokerr that servers for any wheel, i spent less than 50 dollars and i got a nardi torino+aluminum adapter for my g27

[@kinanalhawat6753]

Good point. Not everyone of us wants to drive GT or Formula cars.

[@karlen89]

I went from a G920 bundle, to swapping the pedals out to Fanatec V3's and now Moza R9 with the Fanatec pedals. The wheelbase alone was an incredible step up and I picked up a TON of time on sports, formula and oval. Just a massive improvement. If folks are wanting to get into sim racing, your list here is great advice. Spring for the R5 and you'll be set for a long time.

[@markc3456]

The one factor you did leave out was just overall durability. The G29 is dated technologically, but as you can attest it's one you can use for many, many, many years without it breaking. Always nice to upgrade later based on your own timetable and finances as opposed to when your old wheel breaks. The belt driven wheels don't go as long and Fanatec and Moza are known to have a higher-than-desirable number of issues over time.

[@DJYeeJay]

Good point! To add on to that though for as good durability the G920 wheel is, the pedals are that bad in terms of durability and having issues

[@markc3456]

​@@DJYeeJay Agreed. TLCMs were my first upgrade when contact cleaner was no longer helping with the Logi pedals. Functionally the pedals were good for being non-LC.

[@headxplosion]

@@DJYeeJay true, having to fix them sucks

[@zanetti20]

Honestly I had the 920 used it for 4 years and it started having ffb issues

[@elgroxo]

@@DJYeeJay G2x pedals are easily fixed with a "hall effect mod"

[@thebaffman4898]

I bought a G923 a few years ago for 180€, somebody returned it to the store but it was essentially new, still wrapped and everything. I would not underestimate Trueforce, it's a really nice addition and games that support it feel much more immersive for me. Also you can feel the Logitech quality and durability, the wheel still feels brand new after all this time.

[@tylerwallace5839]

My velocity one has definitely grown on me, now that I have everything setup correctly for me. My only negative with it is the base just looks a little more bulky than it needs to be.

[@DJYeeJay]

One really nitpicky thing i had with it was its so bulky yet they couldnt include clamps that had their own tighteners built in?

[@tylerwallace5839]

@ if they make a V2 of the combo I’m sure they’ll refine a lot based on feedback, as long as the negative feedback didn’t scare them off. I know a lot of people like their flight sim stuff

[@Ferrari255GTO]

​@@tylerwallace5839 they probably expected a bumpy start, afterall they started with a higher cost on the middle of the range wich put A LOT of targets on them given how the market was in the moment, 600 is steep when fanatec's P1 bundle was around 150 bucks less, wich even with the lack of accessories compared to the TB will be an impactfull difference in interest on a lot of users, especially when fanatec's reputation was undeniable at the time

[@DJYeeJay]

@@tylerwallace5839 it was pretty cool turtle beach after the video asked me what they could improve on and I gave them a list of things so I’m interested if any of those things make it in

[@FlameDragon72]

I absolutely adore my Moza R5 bundle after switching a few months ago from my G920 which I had used for 4 years. The Logitech is a great starter wheel if you get it for a good price, but the Moza is just superb in every single way. You get your money's worth.

[@NR_88]

The T150 was my first wheel. Got it 5 years ago and upgraded just last year. In my opinion it’s easily the best budget wheel. The force feedback is amazing for the price. Pedals are mediocre but you don’t expect much for that price point. Great for dipping your toes into sim racing or running a budget setup.

[@StudioDaVeed]

Pair the T-150 with Thrustmaster TLC-M pedals.

[@ethswitch7303]

@@StudioDaVeedMeh I wouldn’t. I would rather get a wheel first than really good pedals. And for a lower price then T3pm are good pedals

[@StudioDaVeed]

@@ethswitch7303 you can't beat load cell brake pedal.

[@ethswitch7303]

@ true but there are some after market mods.

[@FarmersBluff]

I bought my G29 new in 2024 for about €235, I don't regret it at all, nice steering wheel for ACC, FS, ETS2 and ATS. The only negative point is the red dial button, which doesn't really work very well.

[@Brad_to_the_bohn]

Dang. I just got a 923 but on a pretty big sale though. My reason for not going with a moza r3/5, was the need for a shifter and shifter pedal for me to even use the wheel happily. At that point I would have spent more than I was comfortable with. However, I’m happy with the 923. It’s pretty solid and I like the Logitech ecosystem. I also swore it was still gear driven

[@DJYeeJay]

Oh you know what youre right I was screwing up Truforce to being a belt thing. But it is a lot smoother though I guess it reminded me of a belt driven if that was my impression of it haha

[@invertedjokerr]

@@DJYeeJay The 923 has the same gear driven motor as the original g27 and g29's is the scary part. They've been taking advantage of their customers for years.

[@purpleneons]

@@invertedjokerr It gets better/worse, I was using an ancient Logitech Formula Force EX as a kid and having been on a G29 for 6 years now, I'd say the force feedback itself feels better, but still very similar. That Formula wheel is almost 20 years old.

[@person79_2JC]

The shifter is not worth it in a bundle on Amazon there are plenty of solid add on shifters

[@MP56Racing]

I upgraded from the G29 to the Moza R9 w/the KS wheel. No regrets.

[@patrick247two]

I went from a G25 to a Moza R5 bundle. Imagine how happy I am. Very happy.

[@Ferrari255GTO]

Similar story here, went from a modded G25 to a Boost pack CSL DD. I'm aware that Moza bases are praised for their impressive smoothness but when i swapped it was the smart choice by cost

[@edwardsicily]

mine will be delivered in a few days. can't wait

[@slowedmood7440]

Years back I got a hori racing wheel ( 80 euros new ) and it was shit, years later I'm going for a moza R5 bundle without even going trough the g29 hahaha

[@Ferrari255GTO]

@@slowedmood7440 i am sorry for the trauma you caused yourself for buyng a wheel from hori 😂

[@clixis]

just got a moza r5, i love it!!

[@TChapman500Gaming]

My refurbished G29 is working quite well. The accelerator is a bit noisy, but nothing I can't deal with.

[@Ferrari255GTO]

Should be simple enough to fix if you're willing to get your hands dirty a bit, check for areas with friction on the axle of the pedal and apply some grease or lubricant carefully, vaseline would be a good choice since if i remember correctly it's electric-friendly. Just make sure to use a limited about, using too much could result on the excess mooving into the pedal's potentiometer

[@gmdking]

@@Ferrari255GTOiirc extreme overclockers use Vaseline to protect motherboards from condensation when using things like liquid nitrogen to cool, don’t quote me on this though

[@Ferrari255GTO]

@@gmdking yep, you rite! The old school way of water cooling was to dump your PC without the case on a fish tank and fill it with mineral oil

[@rickyspanish4792]

I bought a Moza R3 bundle and I'm very happy with it. It's lightweight and small, and for me it's a plus that it doesn't have too much power, as I don't want to get injured lol

[@abexuro]

I'm pretty sure the G923 is a gear drive wheel, no? I thought it was just a new label on the G29 with "trueforce technology".

[@kylesimpson5331]

You are correct he is mistaken the G923 is not belt driven and it can be found usually used or refurbished for less than $200.

[@kylesimpson5331]

Also true force is now in almost every game and it's fantastic IMHO.

[@DJYeeJay]

@@abexuro yep you’re right sorry I had in my head for some reason trueforce was belt

[@void0350]

@@kylesimpson5331 i got mine for 170 in good condition.

[@DanishGopnik]

actually here where i live, new G923’s are cheaper than G29’s.

[@verminfate7074]

Finally a video I can send to people who want to get a g29/g923 for a first wheel. Good video man!

[@dylanhale7300]

The Cammus wheel is what you want when you're traveling and playing on a laptop, however, The Moza is the best bang for your buck thanks to it's ecosystems.

[@snowydeath1778]

Alright dude, you convinced me to return my Thrustmaster TX RW Leather edition and buy a Moza R5 bundle (and shifter + clutch) for barely a hundred more thanks to a current discount! This will be my first ever experience with racing sims on a wheel. I've never touched one before and I cannot wait to get everything tweaked and start racing!

[@glocklesnar9559]

This video is actually perfect, I’ve driven on alot of different wheels through the time not all but definitely made solid valid points I agree

[@glocklesnar9559]

T300 is way better than g923

[@1336Studios]

I also have the Moza R5 and while I sometimes wish I had more torque (I definitely overpower the wheel when correcting slides over kerbs or something like that), it is overall a 5/5 experience and a great entry level DD wheel.

[@DiariesOfABadDriver]

Nice list, the DFGT was my very first wheel too, back in 2017! Picked it up used for $80AUD (which is roughly $50US) because it was pretty much the cheapest force feedback available, and I mostly used it for Dirt Rally. While it certainly worked and was reliable, I ultimately wasn't very satisfied with it and I'm not sure I could recommend it, at least for rallying. Driving older, RWD cars at their authentic wheel rotations was nearly impossible because the maximum rotation speed was pretty slow. And of course it was noisy, the rim is pretty small and the brake pedal was awful (way too soft). Not all of these flaws might matter as much for either driving styles, though. Quite happy with the CSL DD that I have now, by comparison it may as well be alien technology.

[@DJYeeJay]

I remember trying Dirt Rally 2 on the DFGT lol that was a struggle. For $50 I think of the wheel as like a trial wheel to see if you want to keep going but definitely not a long term thing like you're saying

[@DiariesOfABadDriver]

@@DJYeeJay agreed, and that's the beauty of buying used. As long as you don't overpay, simply sell it for what you paid later and it was effectively a free rental.

[@Reddickfan45]

Thanks Justin! This gives me some ideas for what to ask for Christmas. Also according to KZbin I was in the top 0.2 percent of your viewers!🎉

[@DJYeeJay]

Let's goooo

[@platnumfox]

Glad to see tier list, interesting as always. The PXN V10 wheel base uses licensed Madcatz Xbox One wheel £300, which i used since release, till recently (upgraded to Moza R12) and other than obvious power difference, it's feel is not a world away from £500 base. Pedals we're different version as well. Worth a look if found at all. Will better expectations. Keepem komen

[@211_cpmusicc69]

bro has no profile picture

[@cbremer83]

I have been using my T300 (non RS) for nearly 10 years now. Finally looking to move to direct drive in a month or two. The T300 has been a great wheel for what it is. Pedals are not amazing, but once you are comfortable with them, you can drive just fine with them. As long as you have them solid mounted at least. The brake has some resistance and will easily slide around. If you can find a used one or a good deal online for less then a Moza R5 or similar wheel, it is a good option.

[@Arvidje]

choose simagic to have some proper upgraden.. pay a bit more, but is worth..

[@snack8ar]

Love the videos, been using the G=920 for a while and now just ordered simagic alpga mini with their gto neo wheel. Had fun watching, waiting for your channel to get even bigger!

[@DJYeeJay]

I appreciate it! Let me know how the alpha mini is, I'm sure its best in class for its price

[@sitandrot]

Im currently running a tmx (T150 for xbox) with t-lcm pedals and i dont see myself needing to upgrade from it in the near future, it gets the job done Incredibly good for the price and with it being a gear and belt driven hybrid system it gives me smooth, quiet, and consistent ffb compared to the g29/g920 which ive owned before.

[@W1nkey_]

How are the pedals compared to the old ones? Did you have the T3PA pedals before? I have the T3PAs but looking for an upgrade

[@sitandrot]

@W1nkey_ its an all around upgrade from the t3pm with its load cell brake pedal which the t3pm doesnt have.

[@CaliCal83]

What shifter are you using? I have a tmx I wanted to get pedals and a shifter.

[@W1nkey_]

@CaliCal83 I know you're not asking me but I'm using the TH8S shifter and it's very good for the price, have not had any problems

[@CaliCal83]

@ thanks, I just looked up the pedals he mentioned. It’s been so long since I used my wheel i forgot I wanted to run same pedal shifter combo.

[@williamgersteling7487]

Considering the comparison with the Thrustmaster t150 and the Logitech g920: when I first got a wheel (2017) I got the t150. 6 months in the pedal broke and the retailer I bought it from couldn’t get it fixed so they refunded me. I then got the g920 and it’s still the wheel I’m using. Not all t150s are like my story I believe and the wheel was still a good wheel, but yes I don’t think the build quality is as good.

[@DonnyShine]

good review. I just got the turtle beach as an open box from Best Buy for $316. One point no one seems to make is that buying from Best Buy or Walmart or Amazon is safer and a lot easier than buying from the manufacturer's websites most of the time. I also purchased the Cammus thru Walmart and will test both of them out. Probably end up with the Moza :)

[@DJYeeJay]

If you have all 3 and you intend to keep upgrading pedals, definitely youll like moza the best

[@DonnyShine]

​@@DJYeeJay Yeah, I'm just starting out so I don't want to invest too much initially but I'll probably end up with Moza. It's a shame that more manufacturers don't offer a dd system that costs less than an xbox or playstation. Thanks for your tips.

[@MrDonSevo]

This is exactly what I was looking for. Thanks!

[@stormsurgeesports]

Thrustmaster T150 is a great starting wheel. I've had it for 5 years now and it's still working great. T-LCM pedals to go with it... even better. I've asked for Moza R5 bundle for Christmas so I'm hoping to get it haha.

[@DJYeeJay]

Good luck on the R5 haha, honestly if you already have the TLCM's thats the perfect situation to get the Cammus C5 wheel only for $250

[@ThatGuyDoobie]

Got rid of my Fanatec GT bundle and bought the R9. Happy with it so far, just have to get it dialed in. Moza ecosystem is a lot more accessible imo.

[@KayoMichiels]

I just upgraded from the TS-PC Racer to the T598 and man, the force feedback is night and day! So smooth and no friction!

[@MannyDemaga]

I got the G923 with the shifter and I’m waiting on a handbrake for $360 ish, and as for the wheel and tge shifter, I’m pretty happy with my purchase, although, I am going to mod the shifter cause it’s way too light.

[@Kartingnoskilldriver]

i knew it from the start that your wheel was the r5 because of the white thing on top of the wheel . W video

[@christopherc7075]

Just wanted to shout out the GT Driving Force pro. I love that nearly 20 year old wheel 🥰

[@JSRacing61]

still running on a G27 after 12 years, albeit with upgraded pedals (changed to Fanatec V3's), the shifter shorted out, force feedback not at 100% (clips at very low strength) & broken mounts (duct taped to my desk)

[@DJYeeJay]

G920 and V3's were my setup for 3 years i think

[@computiNATEor]

I used a Logitech G27 from 2016 until 2023. Bought it for $150, could probably sell it today for $100. I got the Ricmotech load cell brake mod and a shifter gate for it. Upgraded to a $600+ Fanatec CSL DD combo, and while the wheel is worth it, the shifter and pedals could’ve remained Logitech. Highly recommend a used Logitech wheel for your first setup.

[@allenpaley]

Helpful video! Now I know where to start :)

[@KommissarAzuraCh]

In the end i decided on pxn v99 because it's the only one around 200 usd in SEA. Other brands are at least 400-600 usd. Just doesn't make sense for a beginner to shell more than 300 usd.

[@NozFoxGaming]

I started on that Ferrari wheel from Walmart with the bungie cord in it, then went to G920, then fanatec 8nm which is where I’m at now and have been satisfied since. Good video

[@invertedjokerr]

Started at Logitech G920 in 2015,felt completely ripped off. My long road of buying and selling wheel bases recently ended with the Moza R21. It's fantastic. The idea that Logitech continues to offer gear driven junk at 300+ dollars is insane. I wish I would have just saved my money from the start and bought the best from the beginning. Yeah the R21 hadn't released yet when I started but there were still options.

[@elgroxo]

For anyone in Argentina the tiers are A: Logitech G2x B: Logitech G2x C: Used Logitech G2x D: rando no FFB wheel (Logitech is the only brand officially selling wheels here)

[@JojtekBarszczyk]

I bought my Logitech DFGT back in 2009. I considered upgrading, but that wheel straight up refuses to die.

[@SaltySeattleCyclist]

I've been using a Thrustmaster T150 for over 5 years now (mostly got it for its really good price), and it's fit my needs extremely well! When I do want to replace it, I'll probably go for a Moza bundle or whatever the best bang-for-bucks DD wheel

[@kmsthanks]

Went from g29 after three years to simagic alpha mini last month. It's insane it actually feels a real car steering. My rig is just as fun as my real car now lol. I wish I went with the alpha since I'm getting quite some clipping still but it was too expensive for me rn

[@boneskkksk]

the thing about belt wheels are that they got compability in any game just like gear driven wheels, and it has better ffb, thats why i think its worth it

[@rani5752]

This is a good list when all the wheels aren't considered with taxes and shipping. For me in canada, fanatec, cammus and moza are all like 20% more expensive than in the us. And the wheels that are the most attainable are the t300rs, t248, g29. And for me the wheel that i got was the t248 and it was for an extremely good price, having used the g29 i wouldn't say that they are the same. T248 has better pedals, smoothness, and torque.

[@bradwilliams3141]

I just bought my first wheel G920 for NASCAR Heat 5 and World of Outlaws 24….for $100 off at $199. Love it so far!!

[@hueginvieny7959]

The logitech g pro with max Papis add on wheels is the best wheel I've ever used. The customer service from logitech is top notch and the max Papis wheels makes it feel amazing

[@just-another-guy]

I bought the C5 bundle and then added the Simsonn pedals. Job done, cheap and feels good.

[@ChrisBl33p]

My very first wheel was a Logitech driving force wireless. It was the driving force with paddles for acceleration and braking (L2/R2) and had force feedback. My next and current wheel is the T150, and it is pretty good for what it is. It has decent (not great, but not non-existent) FFB and is fairly accurate with inputs. My only gripe is the blue rubber grips on it which irritate my hands. Beyond that, it wasn't too much when i got it three years ago.

[@Ferrari255GTO]

You can do something i've heard people do to fix that: handlebar wrap. Road bikes don't have a "standarized" bar shape so instead of grips they have a kind of textures tape that gets wrapped on them. Check on forums if you want more info on how to do it as i haven't done it myself so i can't really gove you advice outside of tbe obvious "be patient and don't go too fast".

[@PA-RacingAcademy]

Hello! Im a first time viewer, currently searching for my first sim-wheel. This video was pretty good in terms of information but i got some feedback on the video, not to be mean or anything. 1. Appearance 4/10 You are kind of leaning forward to the mic for some reason. Not so important but seems off when watching you. Maybe move the mic forward so you can sit more relaxed? Make yourself more appealing by for example open the first button on your shir or fixing your hair. The lighting isnt really on top so fixing that could be good too, same for the video quality 2. Audio 10/10 Honestly really good audio. You sound kinda like Andrew from the waveform podcast (really high quality podcast abt tech). 3. Information 8/10 I understand that a person cant buy every racing wheel there is, specially if you dont get them for free hah. Would be nice if you included the G293 since the most new sim setups i see contain it. Also maybe explain a bit of what Direct/Gear/Belt drive are (i googled after so ik by now). It might seem obvious what these things are but since you are reviewing newbie wheels, i would think there are quite some people out there who dont know such things. Since you bring up the pedals a bit, can you use different wheels with different pedals and how does that work? A big plus is that you keep things short but still include about everything you need to know abt each wheel. Im sorry if i in ANY way offended you. Ofc you dont need to these things, just sharing my toughts :)

[@DJYeeJay]

Agree on the appearance. My camera setup is something I’m gonna work a lot more on throughout the year. The camera is just a Logitech streamcam which I’m gonna upgrade eventually. The reason im leaning forward so much is because that’s about how far the mic reaches out, definitely need a longer stand, and for this video where im not just talking to the camera but interacting with the screen, i definitely hunch forward more. Interesting side note though my belief with KZbin is audio quality >>> video quality for the most part (obviously would be best to have both) so I’m glad you liked the audio

[@PA-RacingAcademy]

@@DJYeeJay Happy you read the comment! Yeah i agree on the audio part over video, i can always just choose to not watch you but the other things on the screen, while i cant escape the audio. Keep up the good work!

[@rickybobby.gaming]

Just bought the pxn v99 and I'm LOVING IT !!!

[@NoloPasoro01]

I have a Moza R3 bundle and it is miles better than my old g27. Didnt know those ffb effects existed until the r3

[@seebarry4068]

You can pick up a fanatec csw2.5 for about 150 or less. I bought a v1 p1 for 70 and a McLaren for 160. Less than 400. For wo distinct rims. And an 8nm wheelbase on near new condition. But you need pedals, so sacrifice one wheel rim and buy a set of CSL pedals for 60 new on marketplace.

[@jordanfehlman]

I ran a G27 wheel for 10 years until it quit working. I upgraded to a Simagic Alpha Mini thinking I wanted more torque... I didn't, more torque is terrible I run it on such low settings its silly.. but very smooth. When you add up the wheel and the base I could have saved a ton of money and got a lower budget direct drive wheel.

[@fluff5800]

I got the Logitech dfgt for 35 bucks! I'm still happy with it, saving up for a dd wheel. Just started with a wheel last October, it's a blast!

[@skeelo22]

I went from a t150 to a g29 and now I got a full sim setup that’s worth around 3k new for $780 used. It’s a fanatec ps4 csl elite base with the original wheel and the clubsport Porsche 918 wheel, the csl pedals with load cell and the csl elite v1 pedal set and a full cockpit with an actual bucket seat

[@d.mat.zero6525]

great list, i will add that you can get the break pedal upgrade for 50 bucks for Moza, if you order from Moza directly their are a lot of addons for the R5 bundle. if you all the option you end up paying about 750. but if you are going with that you might as well save a bit longer and get the R9 GS V2P GT bundle for 789 and you can get their premium pedals for about 350 now for just over $1100 you have an ultra premium set up that can do all (pc) wise. also Thrustmaster has a new wheel out that is decent it has some nice forced feed back n again the pedals suck. thats why if you are serious about getting a wheel pick an ecosystem that you can upgrade. Moza and thrustmaster offers the best price to performance.

[@alienfrmearth]

I have a g920 and a TMX(t150), and I feel you are right about them... I got my g920 on sale with shifter bundled in, so it was worth the buy.

[@justinfarr4399]

I got my PXN V10 for $220 and i think its pretty great, adjustable force feedback and you get paddle and a stick shift and a clutch witch most wheels dont include

[@TheToasterPope]

My first wheel was a g920, but that broke, and since it was out of warranty the best I could get from Logitech was a discount on a new one. So I got a brand new g923 for less than what a referbished one would've cost. With trueforce I definitely recommend it for anyone who cares about the sensatation of driving more than being competitive.

[@NobileHN]

I would definitively go with the TrustMaster T300RS after this vide, is hall effect so can be more durable with the shifter for sure

[@1NDMEDIA]

T300 can be picked up for a comforatable 250 quid on CEX - great bang for buck and I will be looking to upgrade in future to DD, had a budget of 1K for my entire setup including VR - frame, periphs and this fit in really nice

[@user.asleep]

Same. I went from the stone age tech g25 directly to r5 bundle 😂

[@LisSolitudinous]

I got a T150RS with T3PA for 90$ and I was as happy as a big baby elephant.

[@acehouse4796]

I started with thrustmaster t150 and it was amazing experience. Definitely worth the cheap price. But Now ive been racing with the fanatec csl elite for the last 4 years.

[@yourlocalplumbingcompany4984]

Never let bro rate again🔥🔥🔥 when you were talking about g29(gear driven): "I could really feel the gears and it wasn't smooth." vs g923(same thing as g29 but it has new software): "This wheel is belt driven and when I used it I could really tell the difference because it was just so much smoother than the g29."

[@TheRealEvilSink]

Moza R5 can be had for cheaper on the used market if you take some time to look for it. It is hands down the best "cheap" wheel. If you cannot get R5, get a G27/G29/G920 or a thrustmaster t300/t500, and start saving up for a Moza R5. Any other belt or gear driven wheel is not worth the price, unless you can get it for pretty much the same as a G29. Pedals on the other hand, is the most important upgrade you will ever do. T-LCM will do the job, but i find myself wanting more range to modulate the brake more easily. When trailbraking, it can be hard on the T-LCM, but way better then what any stock pedals will ever do. Absolute minimum you want to be competitive, is Load cell. No need to go for over 100kg loadcell, most road cars do not have brakes that need a pedal pressure of over 70 - 90kg to fully lock up the brake system.

[@TBolt1]

I guess what matters first is what sort of racing you do. Oval: any wheel can work well. Road: from personal experience, if you mostly do Road racing, just buy the best direct drive base you can afford. The car control with a direct drive base is instantly obvious.

[@whip555]

Have you had the chance to use any Simagic stuff? I was deciding between the R5 or Alpha Mini setup and went the Simagic route. What tipped you towards Moza?

[@DJYeeJay]

I have not but would love to one day, with Moza the FFB was just smoother than everything else I have tried in the price range, and I don't use a lot of FFB strength by default already so I have no real need to go up

[@kmsthanks]

Depends on your budget but the alpha mini is twice as strong and the FFB is more detailed. Overall though the simagic ecosystem is a lot more expensive leaning towards mid to high end. From what I've gathered equivalent moza to simagic bases, the moza ones are more muted and feel like cars with power steering while the simagic ones feel slightly more detailed and raw. Just preference and budget really

[@TakumiFujiwara012]

ive been using a logitech g27 for the past 3 years almost and its pretty good especially if you dont have a sturdy desk and it comes wth a shifter :)

[@adamormiston3854]

I just used all the money o had for a g923 it's perfect. Just makes me feel like I made the wrong choice. Thanks

[@BeagleBageler]

I got a t248 plus pedals for like $100, not sure how good it is on the scale, but i love it so much :D

[@DonnyShine]

Got my hands on the Turtlebeach and the Cammus. I am keeping the Turtlebeach but only I because I got it at a open box discount for $316 at Best Buy. At the current price of $400 it is compelling as a bundle but the Cammus wheel alone for $250 and the new simagic budget load cell pedal set for $200 more would be the more sensible option. You make a good point about the Turtlebeach being made for people who don't want to upgrade further. I think that's a bigger market than the enthusiast market so I can see why Turtlebeach made this decision. The trick is finding how much more people are willing to pay for this upgrade from the Logitech G923. I'm curious to see their sales figures since reducing their price to $400.

[@DerekS75]

Been using the tmx for about a year now and it's worked fine for me

[@theawesome48fanhunter]

As someone who has worked with the t300rs I agree but I also have owned a tmx id suggest the thrustmaster tmx as a good starter wheel used it for years and loved it

[@yypingu]

The Driving Force GT was such a step up from using gyro on Playstation controllers. Immediately reduced almost 30 seconds off of my laps because I could finally feel the car and catch it when I could. Now I'm rocking the T300RS with a PXN A7 shifter, I sold the Driving Force off to my friend who also sim races. My only gripe with these Logi wheels so far was the noise is makes due to the gears as well as it's torque output, hence why I opted for the T300RS thus saving up a bit more. The G923 was tempting due to the leather feel, but I'd rather feel my car's tyres and the grip it has rather than the wheel material. Cheers though, definitely stay away from the bungee wheels 👌🙏

[@shaunster2]

I’m still on the 920. And it’s awesome. I can feel the front end. But I am looking into a new direct drive wheel.

[@bearbrotuska]

im looking to upgrade my g920 soon, 5 years going on 6 of continuous use i just want something more

[@invertedjokerr]

Buy at least an R5 and I promise you'll immediately sell or destroy that thing after the first R5 session

[@SmokeU420365]

You should revisit the G923. Try it with a 28to 30V power supply, with at least 3A. The 923 was upgraded with higher voltage internals. But they didn't upgraded the power supply. It's a noticeable difference in strength and fidelity.

[@jigglypumkin9792]

G923 is gear and has a very small lead on the g920 I’ve owned g920 while all my friends with the 23 complain about the same issues drifting can’t speak for racing and your are correct I’ve tried a few dd on assetto and to me feels the best

[@pgmaniak2019]

As a owner of T248 I'd say this, it has the strongest FFB on the market in comparison to other belt driven wheels "it's a hybrid" IT'S WAY BETTER then G920 trust me, shifters are vert nice (loud as f tho) but if you don't mind it it's great entry wheel which can provide much more details then g920 :)

[@Siris6771]

My only wish with moza is I would love a better upgrade path on pedals, it's either their bottom of the barrel base ones, or you are spending hundreds more and fully replacing them

[@damonatrocitvs]

Got a g923 yesterday love it

[@oldmanhavefun]

Please make a video show us how u setting your R5 in iRacing. Thanks

[@DJYeeJay]

Right now theyre literally default haha im not picky but i do wanna mess with it more rventuallh

[@Munchkinross]

Not sure why you initially put the G923 as "don't recommend", I'd seriously recommend the G923 on sale or used, it is better than the G920, brakes and FFB are better at a similar price. Not all of us can afford DD or belt wheels, so the G923 is awesome on a budget. Logitech are extensively tested and last. Even my old Logitech Momo racing force lasted almost 20 years.

[@paleopasha]

I bought an open box moza R3 bundle for the same price people were wanting for the 923 on marketplace. I actually think he has a real point here, because it’s too new to be discounted really deeply on used sites which is what you’d want if you’re going cheap for a gear driven wheel. Also the t300 is better than the 923 around the same price or cheaper used. I saw many better deals on the TX/T300 on fb than I did for the 923. So either get that, cheap DD or a g920 for like $90. G923 is in a bad price bracket for its features.

[@ErikForeman]

Recently just bought a refurbished 923 for $160 ​@@paleopasha

[@paleopasha]

@@ErikForeman That's not a bad deal. I'm sure you'll enjoy it. I just saw a decent number of used T300s around that price and I do think that's the better wheel. And I found my R3 bundle for $240 and for me it was well worth it to stretch a little bit for that. Ultimately all are pretty cheap these days and it's probably never been a better time to buy any of them (when used market is included). All are decent, and capable of providing a lot of enjoyment for the cost. I do still stand by the statement that for most people they should try and find a T300 instead of a g923 if they are comparable prices.

[@sorryyouloseme4757]

​@@ErikForemanwhat's refurbished?

[@fedesunpico2287]

I know the hole, "dont buy the cheap option, just go stright to the expensive version", is super annoying, but tbh uts true. I have done that sooo many times, bought the cheap version of whatever thinking people are beeing posh.. but i almost always end up reselling it because its not good enough. Now un this case i couldnt say. I own a g920 and i like if for what i do. But completly understand the wait a bit to buy logic. Its almost always true

[@Mystic_Chizu]

Ngl this made me revisit pricing since when I bought my G29 last year it was on-sale for the 10usd more than a T150 so I just went for that. Price availability is a huge issue. I'd say its better to just outright go 200usd being the pricecap for anything that isnt direct drive. with 150usd being the best bang for buck be it either on-sale or used. One other thing is I feel pedals do play a huge role considering you'll be stuck with them while you save up. While none of them are good out of the box, some of them are easier to mod into being decent.

[@c0smicc4nc3r4]

G923 sounds like someone put rocks in the washing machine

[@strovich]

Solid, I would go with Fanatec now, cheaper upgrade path to load cellwith the stock pedals and power supply to 8nm upgrade otherwise they're basically on oar with Moza. Too bad they never hooked you up with one

[@mechlovin7627]

Turtle Beach makes super low quality products and I’ve never seen them for $400. The Moza R5 bundle is $500 not $400. A lot of inaccuracies in this list.

[@kmsthanks]

Different regions bud

[@rzt430]

it was $400 on amazon, it is $340 right now. stop talking smack lol i can literally disprove your bs with an amazon page screenshot right now, not to mention i would rather believe someone who actually TRIED the bundle for a reasonable amount of time over someone who breathes terminally online opinions

[@HoriiznnCS]

@@rzt430its not that deep

[@mooseschmiddy5372]

Currently rocking a thrustmaster tmx with a gas pedal that doesn't work anymore

[@Rayz0268]

I’m rocking a g920 with a buggy gas pedal

[@NVD357]

Thrustmaster T150 is a sleeper, but I'm biased because it was my first wheel and it was pretty decent. Much quieter than the Logitech G920

[@DJYeeJay]

It was a conversation 3 years ago, but now that the T150 is half the price of the g920 its a no brainer

[@jameszeng2666]

As a road racer, I can say pedals are more important.

[@MuscleCarLover]

I once owned a Thrustmaster TMX, the Xbox version of the T150...it lasted me 2 years. So that's the expected lifespan and as such the amount of time you'd have to save up for something better

[@davogleeful]

that was just yours then, when i had a tmx it lasted 4 years before i upgraded

[@ondrejlukacs6561]

I got myself t300 rs mildly used for 200 usd. Best buy ever

[@kmartyCZ]

Logitech Driving Force GT - Absolutely not recommended nowadays, especially if you have Windows 11 (drivers issue, without any solution except buy another wheel). And if you want to stick to the official reports, neither with Windows 10. So... this wheel is no go unless you want spend time with tweaking and persuading Windows to work with (obsolete) drivers. This was the reason why I had to replace it with another wheel.

[@nikomoin7604]

I got a new g29 new for 150. with padels. Still happy with it

[@lassenikulainen6722]

13:30 I agree on the point of getting cheapest you can get if you cannot get direct drive BUT.... T150 is absolutely carbage and I assume that same goes to T248 because of the same gear + belt system. I would take Driving Force GT over T150 at same price every time. Heck I wold even take PS2 era Driving Force with 180 degrees of rotation over T150. T150 is okay until you try to catch an oversteer. The wheel just does not wanna turn and makes an amazingly horrendus sound when you are fighting the motor (and you can overpower it, because it is so week and the belt likely also slips at the same time...). It might be worse than some rubber band resisted non force feedback wheels. It must be basicly free to me to recomend it to anyone