I Ranked Every YouTube FITNESS CHANNEL (Worst to Best)

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In this video, Dr Milo Wolf ranks KZbin fitness channels into a tier list to categorise them from best to worst, including criteria such as information accuracy, entertainment value, and more.
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[@tomashorst9544]

Jesus Christ, Everyone out here whining about Mike Israetel not being the absolute highest tier, meanwhile Alex Leonidas and NH are in B tier with Greg Doucette somehow

[@ididthemath5567]

Yeah Lmao. Greg hasn’t done single video on workouts for the last 100 uploads - It’s all drama. Not sure how he can compare the yapper to NH and Leonidas.

[@jonysucks1111]

Ong

[@edwardsl0524]

@@ididthemath5567After his comments on certain people like Menno, I feel like he has a slight bias towards ppl of a higher education like greg with his master’s degree.

[@Christopher-ko9op]

That's an actual crime!

[@stevethea5250]

So only s tier and a tier matter in this video? Everything after be tier can be discarded

[@JohnSmith-wh7mk]

WHERE IS KYRIAKOS GRIZZLY? THIS IS BLASPHEMY

[@Kroitk]

That's because this his rating only goes up to S and not F for FULL. Obviously, this is meant to rate mere mortals, not a god that walks amongst us, praise be thy bloat.

[@joejacquesschulz8514]

Good point!

[@JonathanHuard-mc3up]

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!

[@dcuccia]

@@JohnSmith-wh7mk God Tier is assumed

[@OmarIsuf]

The fact that Blaha isn't even mentioned in this Tier List immediately disqualifies it from serious consideration.

[@Vibitiot]

Accurate rating. He doesn't even qualify to be on the tier list, let alone to be at the bottom tier.

[@seumascowan]

putting omar on the g-tier. that's god tier, son!

[@ThaKKatt]

GYM SLAAAVE FOR LIIIIIIIIIFE bro you get that boi in some Raskol boom you're a billionaire instead of just a millionaire

[@pbnsmf]

@@Vibitiotwoosh

[@flaffa4837]

Non negotiable

[@Not-Lunar]

Man, NH and AD on the same tier as fucking BuyMyFrickenCookBook Greg...

[@staebs]

Natural hypertrophy is barely evidence based and frankly overcomplicates and poorly explains simple concepts. Not to mention his pseudo-nazi political content.

[@alexhornby5995]

This entire tier list is just whoever references science the most wins so I’m not surprised

[@alexhornby5995]

Never mind he just put Sticky Ricky above Mike Israel lol

[@reneverheij6938]

@@alexhornby5995 the exception that proves the rule

[@Christopher-ko9op]

@@alexhornby5995 it really is.

[@trym54]

Not putting Mike Israetel in S tier should be a crime.

[@kapoioBCS]

His channel is a joke now. Just a cash grab

[@kevinsho2601]

Mike is overrated

[@seaofseeof]

Despite being a "science-based channel", he doesn't ever seem to cite studies and whenever data disproves his findings, he's really big on arguing why his old way of doing things is still the way.

[@Not-Lunar]

He isn't a Natural lifter which automatically makes his advice worse for naturals and he's been very inflamatory lately (ex. The front squat video and technique cyborg rows)

[@WiecznieNieNasycony]

@@Not-Lunar you are cyborg row boy hehe

[@gasparm.2711]

Jeff Nippard calls Dr. Mike when he has a difficult question that needs answering. How's Mike not S tier?

[@jk-pc1iv]

I think this is about KZbin channels not people / experts so the argument would not apply

[@balastas1]

Dude wanted a drama, proving how shit as a trainer he is in a process as he does not consider pump/soreness as a factor for muscle growth. Plus he's deleting comments so take it as you will.

[@slee2695]

KZbin deletes comments automatically with trigger words..are you new to the internet? ​@balastas1

[@sfarsitulumi]

Dr Mike fell off hard

[@richtofen4888]

@@balastas1How is a pump a good indicator?

[@Shadowfanification]

Jeremy ethier being above GVS is crazy, "Citing studies" Is kinda a terrible standard to assess fitness advice by, but when your channels only selling point is that you are more "science based" than others I see why you would gravitate to less good content. Listening to Leonidas, GVS, is going to get you way more jacked than listening to House of hypertrophy or Ethier.

[@abcdefg-ox6mu]

This whole video is just interaction-farming lol. There’s no way Milo believes this

[@LUKA_911]

Also Either doesnt know how to read past the abstract, let alone apply it lmao

[@stevethea5250]

​@@abcdefg-ox6mudon't try to dig him out like that. I'm taking it at face value. Engagement farming on this would also be insincere

[@wafercrackerjack880]

"Citing studies" Is kinda a terrible standard to assess fitness advice -that's literally what almost ALL science based youtuber do, it's not unique to Jeremy. Jeff Nippard, Mike, this guy. All just spouting the same studies and wrapping it up like it's something different.

[@adamchandler2045]

Weird thing is, I wouldn't have found this channel if it wasn't for Dr. Mike's channel....

[@Jefa_Adili]

Me too, Dr. Mike recommend him several times, but I think he didn't put him in S tier because he wants our engagement with the post like this for algorithm

[@deansheppard1104]

1:04 GVS is literally one of the most advanced natural lifters on this platform , saying his personal experience and his knowledge is just " good enough " to make you gains is very disingenuous , especially when sport science has very little data when it comes to advanced lifters at GVS levels of muscularity

[@Dnzjsjdk]

Gvs’s critiques on certain science based training and the other side of ego lifting are great and is probably why he’s ranked this low. I once saw doctor Wolf critique natural hypertrophy for not keeping his arms completely straight during the dumbbell pull over. This guy is too focused on the academics.

[@abcdefg-ox6mu]

Lololol Geoff would make milo look like his son

[@Christopher-ko9op]

Really like GVS. He's not in this for money or views because if he was he'd be making very different content and he'd have a slew of sponsors.

[@deansheppard1104]

@@DeePat-gd5so GVS has double the training experience Milo has pushed all his sets way more then Milo does , Milo would se huge improvements to his physique if he copied GVS methods , especially on the arms department

[@abcdefg-ox6mu]

@@DeePat-gd5so Cool hypothetical why don’t you actually try copying his training and nutrition and find out you’re wrong

[@olkid]

Done Mike dirty there imo. RP's advanced hypertrophy playlist is an absolutely incredible resource.

[@GLOKD]

Ya, A Tier for Mike/RP is crazy disrespectful. Mike is both hilarious and one of the most comprehensive resources of science-backed information in the fitness space, not to mention the fact he popularised much of the science on lengthened partials which Milo loves.

[@olkid]

@@GLOKD yep. 100%.

[@PsycholicalGAINS]

@@GLOKD ya mike has changed my life... definitely s tier

[@tomashorst9544]

Who cares, A tier is still really good

[@sfarsitulumi]

​@@GLOKDis Dr Mike still hilarious after making the literal same homoerotic joke for the 1200th time? Like the dude has only one single joke.

[@joecamarda4366]

How can I take your channel seriously when you gave Dr. Mike an A???

[@Ash-os7fc]

Because his channel is a joke. Just BS videos with no substance that get millions of views from his army of fangirls (mostly novice lifters that like him cause he’s funny)

[@kevinsho2601]

His list is kinda crazy but mike is highly overrated. Although he should be on S over eric

[@kaligh]

😂😂😂

[@WhopperCheeseDota]

Problem with Mike is even tho he's science based he never cites anything which basically means you have to trust him on his word. He also still has some out dated bodybuilder bias and maybe is slightly too injury fear mongery. S tier entertainment for sure tho

[@riguyisfly]

Mike israetel is very dogmatic. Generally good info, but talks quite matter-of-fact on topics that are absolutely not settled scientifically.

[@omarmoramariachi]

Jeremy and GVS don't go in the same tier

[@stevethea5250]

Who's gvs

[@BenjaminTorres1]

Jeremy Ethier next to Menno Henselmans and Mike Israetel? AND ON TOP OF ALPHA DESTINY AND NATURAL HYPERTROPHY. This tier is absurd, Menno is awesome, Mike israetel has incredible books, videos and his hypertrophy hub is just amazing, he carried science based fitness youtube. Jeremy Ethier just clickbaity stuff with stupid stuff (just look at his most popular section). I can't understand your ranking

[@Tropicocitwo]

Agreed, Jeremy is not on the level of the rest of these guys

[@fluffyscruffy]

I believe Jeremy Ethier is an employer of Milo, he's very close to other Stronger by Science folks behind the scenes.

[@high-captain-BaLrog]

Dr. Mike is a tier now down from s tier on account of his steroid use just because he gave in for money and dysphoria

[@wackojacko8391]

Just stopped by to see if Rick "The Stick" Del Hagen was S tier.

[@nicholasfevelo3041]

Thank you for being my friend

[@alexhornby5995]

🐴 🐔

[@Gazzaroo]

If you include entertainment Dr Mike needs to be S tier. Unnecessary shade being thrown there

[@berdysz9390]

Amd his collection of lambos

[@reallyeffingcooltechnodude]

RP would be better if Dr. Mike toned down the lame joking.

[@ryderliftz]

@@reallyeffingcooltechnodudedude do u just not want to have fun with your life who tf hates jokes😭

[@Flahtort]

@@reallyeffingcooltechnodude , not really. That jokes is one of things which made them so popular.

[@dimoire]

@@ryderliftz they didn't say they hate jokes, they said they'd prefer less of the lame ones (I agree on that)

[@WiecznieNieNasycony]

Jason Blaha channel you love most

[@Alan-Roberts-g]

BLAHA TOP 1 best FITNESS CHANNEL

[@BIG3BEST]

blaha is best coach overthere

[@SirAlexanderdeLarge]

​@@BIG3BESTCoath?

[@overtonpendulum2071]

He has fallen from grace and never recovered.

[@Fake--Natty]

Our boy Hemingway!

[@avisoncino8665]

There’s no way the Noble Natties deserve to be in the same tier as Coach Greg… all of them should go straight to at least low A, and imho Alex Leonidas deserves S. Although he’s not “scientific” per-se, he gives tons of detail and information, and is a huge advocate for sticking to basic, time-tested exercises while also shining light on other options/ variations. He also makes content for all experience level, from advanced lifters with overuse etc. to pure novices. My case for NH is just that he’s witty and has interesting perspectives on all sorts of topics, and his advice is usually very solid and informative.

[@exosisyphus]

And dont forget something really good about NH that only noble natties seem to promote the most (but NH more out of all of the noble natties) is programming, which has helped me insanely as a novice lifter. The science based community just doesnt like when people stick to what works + feel aswell. I think NH should get a high A at least

[@avisoncino8665]

@@exosisyphus 100% agree. He’s also the guy that got me into Berserk

[@edibaber5525]

​@@avisoncino8665 the additional gains from reading berserk can't be underestimated

[@krulidn]

What GVS, NH, AD, BB, Bromley do (even to an extent Dr Mike) is promote a philosophy/principles that has worked for them, and teach you the importance of developing one for yourself. They all keep an accurate understanding of science evidence base in mind, as well as contextualize it with other valid evidence. It's important because scientific evidence is necessarily by its methods generalised and can't be specific to you. If you just do whatever the latest study says, regardless of what's been working for you and/or you never find out what factors are truly important for you (because of this), you'll get capped at intermediate. I don't know if Wolf, Nippard etc. know this or intentionally aim to keep their viewerships trained to be like this so they can keep them within their intermediate pipeline. Unable to think for themselves and a slave to someone interpreting the latest general findings for them.

[@Wealth.is.Health]

Starting with putting jeremy either over GVS is wildd

[@uj8719]

Putting Natural Hypertrophy and GVS below Jeremy Ethier is criminal. Both deserve S tier for their solid advise, inspiration, and entertainment.

[@dayanahong1779]

Same for Alex Leonidas

[@uj8719]

​@@dayanahong1779Absolutely! Love Alex Leonidas! ❤

[@rinkuhero]

i can see the reasoning behind it. GVS, alex leonidas, and NH all deny the natural limit exists, which we know exists due to science. ethier is boring, but at least he doesn't deny basic scientific facts like that.

[@Joger1337]

I think he didn't do enough research, just wanted to do this kind of video, which is sad.

[@Beecels]

I think not having Dr Mike in S is puzzling

[@Rhetorical346]

S tier in the thumbnail to get people to talk about it in the comments and boost engagement. He can't keep getting away with it!

[@michaelsiemasko9395]

@Beecels what doesnt make sense to me about his training is for a natural whos trains and studies the science of lifting for a living i would expect him to be a bit bigger, i mean me and him are comparible if not i might be a a bit bigger as im leaner and the first 2 years of my training was pretty bad and its been 2 years since then, idk how much information i feel like i can trust from these skinny guys like him

[@balastas1]

@@michaelsiemasko9395 Is the guy as big as Mike is in the room with us right now?

[@rinkuhero]

@@michaelsiemasko9395 are you as tall as him? you need to remember milo is 6'4 and 240 lbs. tall naturals are always going to look skinny on camera no matter how big they get. when you see him stand next to others you realize how big he is, but standing alone he looks small since you have nothing to compare him to visually. nobody would call a 6'4, 240 lb person skinny if they saw them in person. even dr. mike mentioned this recently, in his video of hulk hogan. he mentioned that hulk hogan is 6'7, and when you see someone that tall who also looks big, he has an unbelievable amount of muscle. hulk hogan has 24" arms but they only look 18" in pictures because he's so tall.

[@eeplordsupreme]

​@@michaelsiemasko9395 i used to think this until i saw him standing next to people at some lifting convention. Hes big

[@alexchan3426]

This tier list stinky I gotta admit.

[@Dreamisanai]

Why do youtubers feel the need to put others down for pointless drama? Ah, views, of course. Do your own thing and add value. I'd much rather see a list of your favourite yt fitness channels than this.

[@slee2695]

They literally bash Wolf and Nippard nonstop

[@Fake--Natty]

We need part 2 with Alan Thrall, Omar Isuf, Starting Strength, Lyle Mcdonald, Elliott Hulse, Barbell Medicine, Scoobt1961 (the OG of yt fitness) and of course, one and only Jason Blaha 😁

[@javahnkavell]

dude Menno is as S tier as you can get, Mike should be up there too

[@wolffofcinema3448]

Yeah, he is gatekeeping based on credentials because he has a sunk cost in his worthless phd. Menno is great!

[@michaelcaron5756]

Yah I have a really hard time with Dr. Mike not being in S-tier. I think the gripes you have with him are minimal AND when you’ve spoken to Mike about this he’s given you nuanced viewpoints where he asserts that he does not put things like pump and soreness front and center but simply uses them as tertiary variables that have SOME significance (which I feel is very hard to argue against) Edit: after seeing Jeff put in S-tier and Dr. Mike not I’m genuinely taking issue with this and it’s making me question a lot about where you’re at mentally. Especially given what you cited as your issues with Mike bcuz if you wanted to be that pedantic you could find 100 things you disagree with on Jeff’s channel (many if which Mike has corrected Jeff on in their collab content) 😢 I feel like being VERY familiar with the content of many of these channels (and yours) I can’t help but feel that you’ve been unnecessarily harsh on some and unfairly easy on others… This may lead me to not look on your content henceforth as favorably as I had (sorry that none of that is very science based) but its the experiential variables I’m struggling with right now…

[@thekevinmethod]

This is stupid ego bs. Please stop.

[@dungeonbundy980]

NH below Greg is crazy

[@LUISPFGA]

I ranked your channel B+, you only talk about lengthened partials, made a stupid song and your last video was nosense with your friend trying to lift all weights on a gym... I only follow you because you were on a video with Dr Mike...

[@sahilsk6517]

You lost me at Dr Mike

[@Antonio_Serdar]

Should definitely be a lot lower

[@davidlatorre5718]

I think you're being a bit more contentious than required. For instance, i have not seen much of the content from Menno, but saying that not having a sports science background disqualifies him would be akin that yourself not having a Maths/Statistics background disqualifies you from trying to interpretat statistical data. In that respect, i think you quickly considered that the latest meta analysis on training to failure was the gold standard while the recent study on the topic has kind of challenged that and i thinkyou have softened the tone (which is fair, and can happen to anyone). Meanwhile, Menno always considered that that meta analysis was not as reliable as previous ones, which are more aligned to this latest evidence... But i don't see him or others posting vídeos saying you can't interpret evidence. Tbf, the results of that meta analysis were so wild compared with previous status that it probably required a bit more scepticism.

[@BigBADSTUFF69]

you can't do science without statistics though, it's inherent in the thing itself. He still put Menno in A which is great, so it's not like he's actually shitting on the guy. I have watched menno a lot and he's got a lot of good stuff but I do think that he makes some assumptions.

[@davidlatorre5718]

And of course, the meta analysis was later corrected! :)

[@seanknox7321]

Putting doctor Mike in A tier is activating the engagement he was seeking.

[@aliante12si]

Maybe, but it's laughable. Was not sure about Mr. Wolf but that might end in an unfollow. Cant stand the voice anyway

[@jbb8600]

​@@aliante12sihe slurs

[@abcdefg-ox6mu]

The whole tier list is engagement farming.

[@Linkaara]

I feel Athlean X gets too much unwarranted hate. There are some valid criticisms here and there (like every channel), but at some point people starting hating on Athlean X just because it was the cool thing to do. He uploaded some weird videos (out of aprox 1400 videos btw) and suddenly that invalidated 14 years of solid advice, apparently.

[@tomashorst9544]

14 years of "solid advice"? - Tells you not to go too deep on bench (Not sure why still) -Overvalues weird gimmicky exercises like the Cavaliere crossover and weird curls over the basics -Fearmongers exercises that have 0 track record of actual injury - Advises 10 sets of 10 at 80% 1RM I mean the guy can't bench or deadlift to save his life. His knees are so f'ed he can't even squat properly. How much of a red flag do you need?

[@mrgeraldbaez]

The fact that you ranked Docta Mike in A-tier instead of S-tier AND ranked him in the same tier as Jeremy Ethier (no shade to him) ... makes you unserious.

[@ThePhysicalReaction]

John Meadows, Mountaindog1 ? amazing channel. The channel still uploads previously unreleased videos/footage.

[@gianrossa1673]

Jeremy Ethier is like fitness for cartoon network audience... 🤯 Enkiri Elite Fitness, Fitness FAQs, Mountaindog1 (RIP), Bald Omniman, Alan Thrall, Alexander Bromley are the only ones giving serious information for mesocycles and progression methods that is not the "do between 8 to 12 reps" for gains...

[@slee2695]

Bromley potato physique and Alec no chest Enkiri

[@cumquat8320]

​@@slee2695nigga so what

[@s.wilson5675]

I'd also rate Ben Patrick, (Knees Over Toes Guy), Physionic, Eric Janicki, Dr. Gabrielle Lyon, The Bioneer and Will Tennyson.

[@salvadorromero9712]

Dr. Milo is about as close to the farthest opposite of Bugenhagen as you could get. A collaboration between them would be utterly wild if this is really going to be happening. It would break the fitness Internet.

[@charliewright2667]

Disagree. Sticky Ricky is clearly very knowledgeable about lifting and has more training experience in his right pec than most of us have in our entire body. Besides that, bugez isn't against science he's just against the proliferation of bs and then that nippard tier list video got way more views than most of his stuff which encouraged him to shit on jeff more. Besides that, his most salient critiques of Jeff's tier lists are things that milo would agree with, like how Jeff Nip calls his tier lists science based but then bases much of them on his own opinion of how a movement feels, or imagined injury risks that don't occur for anybody with half a brain (like his guillotine press hot take Lmaooo). But yeah just horsecock some heavy weights and you'll go far if your connective tissue doesn't evaporate.

[@Sol-01]

@@charliewright2667 He has a degree in kinesiology

[@Richarddevilliers]

@@charliewright2667 Sticky Ricky's 1h reaction to Milo's vid on him, where Eric talks about the girthiness of Mr Beefy, is gold KZbin content.

[@shakir4969]

Dr. Mike changed the whole youtube space and brought the real world and science backed ways to do things. I think it is a no brainer he is in the S tier. I bet he is in the A tier just because he refused to use the word "lengthened partial" which he refers to "stretch"

[@itsmederek1]

Or maybe because hes a roided out junkie who is killing himself with insane cycles to get a pro card. I love his content but the guy is a terrible example

[@Kaarajann]

As everyone is saying, Dr Mike is a solid S tier

[@Ash-os7fc]

LOL at putting the channels that support Milo in S tier, meanwhile actual natty lifters that give the best advice (GVS, Alex, NH) below them

[@Flahtort]

Being natural doesnt automatically make your channel have better information. I personally would watch steroid DR Mike over GVS, Alex or NG even if i natural myself.

[@chonkeboi]

@@Flahtortthat’s genuinely insane

[@cumquat8320]

​@@Flahtort u small 😂

[@xjet]

Disappointed not to see Jane Fonda featuring in the list, she was a big influence in the 1980s (hahaha).

[@tolypolonty5766]

Alex Leonidas is S tier

[@_d0ser]

Mike is WAY too dogmatic about his "everything must be beyond full ROM or it doesn't count, and if you're even one nanometer out of alignment then your form has failed and you need to stop the set"

[@MariusMitrache]

Bodybuilding is way more than volume studies and lengthened partials. It’s super biased to rate everyone from that lens. I could succesfully argue the above are of lesser consequence than a focus on technique or nutrition. You never discuss neither, so are you D tier? I get it’s your list, but rating by one aspect you focus on and brushing asside literally everything else the guys you rate do an awesome job at … is pretty unfair.

[@DanDavisHistory]

GVS is great, prob the best on YT, imo.

[@benmberman]

I think what you say about Dr. Mike is legit. I would also say that a lot of his content is just churned out and repetitive these days. His actual information density has been trending downward for a couple of years. People saying he needs to be in S tier... I get it, but Jeff Nippard and Layne Norton say mostly the same stuff with less wasted time and repetitive content farming.

[@geoffreybentley5619]

Jeff Nippatd definitely does many repeatable things just like Milo does. Mike also does not tell people that muscle soreness and pump are great indicators of muscle growth. He just basically says you can't rule that out or that if you are feeling sore or have the pump in a different muscle, then that could be an indicator that you are doing something wrong.

[@benmberman]

@@geoffreybentley5619 I agree afaik about the advice. Re: repeatability, I just find all these videos where he's just sitting in front of a black background reading off a slideshow that's all been slightly reworded for SEO to be particularly lazy. I don't think Jeff does anything like that.

[@geoffreybentley5619]

@benmberman in his 20- 40 mins video, he definitely repeats previous stuff, but it is in the context of the new lecture. In college, professors always do that because it helps people retain information.

[@paavoilves5416]

@@benmberman I mean Jeff does the same videos with a year or two lifespan. Search some general topic from Jeff and you'll find basically the same video released this year, last year, a couple years back etc... IMO it's not a big problem though as of course he's going to update his knowledge slightly and will also update his recommendations. But he definitely does recycle content.

[@paavoilves5416]

@@benmberman But I agree that RP videos have been lacking as of the last year or two. Not because of repetitiveness but because they've become more clickbait entertainment stuff. I still regularly go watch those 30-60min lectures from way back.

[@aliante12si]

Mr. Wolf is a bit comsumed by himself, who is he even to judge. In the game since a short time, now pretending to be the instance that can do tier lists on others. Sucked up on Mike being his time stamp slave, now "A", laughable.

[@patrickbateman3146]

If Grizzly isnt on this list we riot

[@FerintoshFarmsPhotography]

I would have given Greg a C for pushing his terrible supplements, then a D just for the voice.

[@shah144]

He is very entertaining tho

[@shmuckling]

RP should have easily been #1. They have like 30 different playlists for every one's different needs and interests. He also constantly promotes other fitness channels, has guests that might have different opinions from his and is always open to updating his views when presented with new evidence. I'd say that the few people who complain about his humor are folks who don't understand the value of disguising education as entertainment - there are many who might not have sat through all the hours of what are essentially online lectures if there wasn't an outrageously funny joke every once in a while to "refresh" their attention span.

[@Maiwa-wk9yh]

I feel a lot of people talking about Mike. I mean I like the guy I think his content is pretty good and he probably should be S tier. But I do think he has fallen off like a lot of KZbinrs. I mean it's not just him almost every single one goes down the '' I have to upload a video every day no matter what even if I repeat the same stuff over and over'' route. You just run out of info to spread.

[@Kaarajann]

Is it me or is Dr Milo really aiming to get popular asap? I guess I cant blame him, thats the purpose of having a YT channel

[@chrishouterman4772]

Hi Milo, I would love to know your thoughts on Squat University. I know a good deal of their content is injury/pain related, but there are also plenty of videos about form and progressions/regressions for example. Love your vids, keep it going man 💪

[@Tom_North]

I second this!

[@Flahtort]

Watched one video where they was talking about pull-ups while giving some sort of arbitrary progression and called it: "That is how you train pullup" or something like that. So the whole point of trying to communicate that regular sets close to failure not working (especially for hypertrophy cause muscle was on thumbnail) and you need some sort of special method is cringe.

[@tomashorst9544]

Overfocus on warm ups and weird exercises, if you took his advice you'd never get to the actual lifting

[@BigG627]

Don’t agree with this list too much, but I’m going to be honest it sounds like you’re kinda salty about some of these guys being called “noble natties.” I think a few guys def deserved to be higher. You have to realize, some of us don’t want to sit here and watch “scientific” videos 24/7?, sometimes just personal experience about working out helps a lot more and I’d argue gets most of us normal gym people gains because we don’t have to worry about choosing and deciding certain exercises and what works one tricep head more than the other, we just want something that works out the tricep. Take Alex Leonidas as an example, he’s above average for information/advice and will get the average gym goer and advanced gym goer to get stronger and better. But I still like the list.

[@slee2695]

Yeah its good to watch all sides...be well rounded

[@cumquat8320]

Beautiful take 😍

[@marqsblg2274]

I dont agree with sean nalewanyj beeing low A tier in fact i think he could be an S for sure

[@watsonkushmaster3067]

Frickin jeremy above geoffry? Thats slender

[@DrAJ_LatinAmerica]

Agree

[@ishanchatterjee1587]

Well Jeremy is more "slender"

[@watsonkushmaster3067]

@@ishanchatterjee1587 oh its suppose to be slander? Fck

[@doggo64]

House of hypertrophy gotta be HIGH S TIER. If he's not high S tier idk who else is at this point

[@joshuahernandez9257]

Can you make a video on exercise plateaus? I’m on a bulk and I’ve plateaued in certain Tricep exercises but not in others

[@Tropicocitwo]

Mike is top of S-tier as far as channels go. He is by far the most entertaining science-based creator out there, nobody is as hilarious as he is while still providing quality information!

[@_baller]

I’d honestly give Dr Mike S tier, only if he nearly completely toned down all his grade school jokes and tangents, and just have the straight dope, but he’s fine in A tier, I think he holds the main attention for anyone serious about lifting right now, pretty good center stage for lifting discussions without the excess drama

[@dcuccia]

I think there's a little bit of a "U-shaped" appeal and value of Dr. Mike. As a beginner, it's fun and he has lots of great context setting and practical advice. Then, it's easy to get pulled into Jeff and Milo et al that don't like talking about something unless there's strong research evidence. But the more I watch Dr. Mike, I appreciate how willing he is to change his position based on new evidence, how carefully he is to say that there's a variety of possibilities of outcomes for any individual, and we need to complement the research probabilities with the conditional probabilities of personal experience/feedback, and just how nuanced and practically minded his views are. And AFAICT his personal workouts reflect his latest understanding of the science, AND what works for him (which he shares). Plenty of room for everyone, but I'd put Dr. Mike over say Dr. Pak, from a value + entertainment perspective, any day.

[@Flahtort]

For me personally DR Mike is the greatest S-tier. And not just because personal love. But because his channel have that personal experience and evidence based combination with a lot of entertainment. For beginners, for intermediate, for advance - for everyone. In past years i personally disagree with Mike one some stuff and basically i get experienced and educated enough to see that flaws. But I enjoy love his channel. dr Pak for comparison is not bad, but for me personally his videos are hard to watch. To chaotic, not funny.

[@tokyo8236]

Belgian. You said in your lateat RP video

[@user-ii7xc1ry3x]

And even before that

[@jk-pc1iv]

I seem to remember him saying Austrian

[@_baller]

I don’t think Jeremy is even “his” content, it’s a whole team

[@stormrhode2330]

No Omar? No Buff Dudes? No Bioneer? No Mind Pump? Calisthenics Movement? I could go on and on but there are so many big and good channels not included. Should have included more bad ones, too. It's important for people to know who they should steer clear of. There are a lot of people getting bad advice out there.

[@Donutpuncher3000]

How could you do that to Dr Mike? 🤨

[@user-nk9kw1ip4k]

Athlean-X has really helped me with some injuries. At this point I trust him more than any other fitness KZbinr. There was 1 mistake in his material that another KZbinr pointed out and I agree with, but generally my intuition is that these small-name channels are mainly going after him for clout. Jeff Cavaliere always explains his reasoning in minute detail, and his logic almost always seems solid. Since this seems to be a space where Jeff isn't particularly popular, maybe someone can provide a few examples of Dr. Wolf's assertion that "until recently, most of (Athlean's) information was wrong in some capacity". Who knows, maybe I need to revise my opinion of the guy.

[@hugh6948]

Damn, didn't expect B tier for Alex. I think he often provides far more nuance for advanced aspects of training compared to other Fitness KZbinrs

[@coin777]

Where is Liver King?

[@KS-MDCCLXXVI]

we need that Collab between yin and yang!

[@gaxyhunter2205]

Cmon Belgian boy. Collab with the one, the only: Ricky del Sticky. Honestly couldnt think of a more hype collab with just how different you two are but still united as gym bros.

[@Deathkill06]

I agree with Dr. Eric Helm's placement, he has some of the most informative content I've ever seen. Basically the gold standard for lifting and nutritional information for any aspiring elite natural.

[@fdsm9211]

As a PhD is sports nutrition, I do not see how RP is in A tier. Entertainment alone is above and beyond many of the S teirs. And Mike did not mind having you on the channel to give your opinion. That alone should give him A LOT of credit.

[@Ash-os7fc]

You should return your degree if you think RP is S tier

[@fdsm9211]

@@Ash-os7fc no such thing.

[@1TieDye1]

He explained his reasoning for the ranking pretty well. “Entertainment” wasn’t a significant factor in most of them and is a matter of taste anyway. Tbh his humor is okay but at times too juvenile and distracting; it’s all just sex jokes in one way or the other. Idk why collaborating would mean that much lol that’s a low bar for S tier

[@dav2807]

RP still thinks the Pump causes Muscle growth

[@ESGymNo2]

​@dav2807 No, he states its one of the factors that can be personally identifiable that COULD mean muscle growth. Along with strength increase and DOMS.

[@syedzaheerhussainshahkazmi1241]

Your ranking of GVS, Sean Nalewanj is slightly harsh but your ranking of Alex and NH is miserably disappointing and not even considering to rank Basement Bodybuilding and Revival Fitness (Despite my personal disagreement on his Noble natty stance) is just absurd

[@paulelverstone8677]

I'd put V-Shred and Liver King into Z tier... but, then again, we all would...

[@dimoire]

Despite learning almost everything I know as a lifter from Mike, I think Eric Helms, Jeff Nippard and Layne Norton are the real kings of gym content.

[@adammckinney603]

I have to disagree with the last one I feel there isn't a tier high enough for the Delray Misfits

[@farmingthetnt8081]

Did my man Mike dirty😔 (but I agree on the points given)

[@balastas1]

Complete bullshit - his "friend" as he said is solid S tier for giving bro science and being funny. Then going on Mike as per, he's only using science and I'm only using speculative training from my clients - A tier. What a clown and should say a lot about this channel lmao. Possibly the truth is that, such trainers like wolf loves to give easy workouts for his clients, you would think why so? From my experience people loves to come to the gym, get a shitty trainer and get a workout - barely sweating, thinking that they will achieve the world while in overall, they will get fuck all from the workout as they cant even break a sweat. But once again they feel great going to the gym and not breaking a sweat as they go to gym! If you cant get a pump, you aint gaining fuck all.

[@giuliam2531]

Agree

[@tomashorst9544]

"Did him dirty" - literally second highest tier

[@user-ft2bt9kw7x]

Natural Gallant Bodybuilding is one you may want to check out. He is “ controversial “ is his views on range of movement I would be most interested in your assessment

[@ididthemath5567]

75% of your audience came from Dr. Mike, you better not be shitting on him lol

[@martinijazz9]

Dope video been really hyped since I found your channel, S for sure. Great balance. K Boges is S Tier for me, a beast for calisthenics information and programming, injury prevention, his physique is insane, would love to see your take on him. Now I haven't peeped his programs tbh he does more bite sized content but it's incredibly valuable information and views and doesn't oversell shit.

[@claytonmutchman4527]

If Dr. Mike ain't S tier, then I'm Morgan Freeman

[@Archheret1c]

While perhaps not my favorite fitness channel Athlean-x do have some really helpful videos. I suffer from chronic "golfers elbow" and his old video "Elbow Pain with Pullups (QUICK FIX!)" worked well for me. I'm sure he didn't figure that out by reading a scientific paper, so we still need to value anecdotes and experience.

[@karlmatillano8705]

Seems like just because you've got recommendation difference with Dr Mike on soreness, which is one issue, you bumped him down a tier. I'm sure if you applied that kind of optics to your other reviews no one would make S tier. The bias is real

[@hugh6948]

Bro this video legit baffled me and I love wolf's coaching...

[@jofortin22]

Layne Norton is S tier all day.

[@OldestPagans]

Literally, no one on this list promotes doing cardio and being healthy as much as Greg Doucette. I’m betting that the people that put him in S tier are healthier than any other fitness influencer fan. You hardly hear any of those other influencers telling you to do cardio and eat your vegetables, while Greg is literally yelling at you to do it in every video

[@rinkuhero]

GVS is also big on cardio, he's made 3 or 4 entire videos just on cardio.

[@nooblifter390]

u must be new here.

[@tomashorst9544]

Ok so that puts him automatically in S tier? The guy still to this day doesn't understand bulking which is one of the basics of weight training, that alone puts him in C tier at most.

[@rinkuhero]

@@tomashorst9544 there's also the problem with all the time his channel devotes to marketing his supplement line and his cookbook (which are absurdly overpriced). i just believe in giving credit where it's due. when it comes to cardio he's always been good, he tells people what they need to hear and not what they want to hear when it comes to cardio, unlike almost every other fitness channel which barely mentions it.

[@tomashorst9544]

@@rinkuhero yeah the cookbook stuff is just obnoxious. 200 bucks for someone to tell me to put protein powder in half my food

[@inbcheese3089]

Mike obviously knows soreness and the pump don't actually directly lead to gains, but one of the most important factors in consistency in training is enjoyment, and the majority of people love it. This is why he talks about how to get these in his videos

[@pretty_flaco]

“more than last time” was burned into my brain years ago

[@bahrss]

Surprised that Eugene Teo haven't made it to this list. He would've been somwhere in A tier

[@kapitankapow]

Put this video in D tier

[@Ebhin09]

Where did you get that board on the top right?

[@srm4455]

This was so painful. Mike under bugez wow

[@DraperJake]

I appreciate what you do. You're like a robot that can only talk on a topic that is proven time and time again. But there's something to experiential data, like with Mike. He's willing to look at the science and make a suggestion that combines it with experience and logic to come up with a suggestion. And Greg Doucette, despite falling in many areas, rekindled my love of biking and running and for that he's special to me. No one wants to talk about the benefits of cardio and he's really the only one doing it. So I give him a pass just on that.

[@Kroitk]

Using your own metrics and standards, taking the variables of: sports/exercise science, evidence-based, entertainment value, level of validity, academic credentials, consistency, on ALL accounts RP aka Dr. Mike has the highest level that is a combination of all those metrics. Therefore, you putting him not on S-tier is invalid based on your own metrics and logic. Hard fail and disappointed.

[@jk-pc1iv]

This one is just for baiting clicks right? The argumentation on some of them is not on par with what I am used to here

[@kevinboueri1051]

puttin jeremy above alex leonidas and nh is a crime my man

[@Pain53924]

How is layne norton not higher? Also I don't understand why Dr. Mike is obsessed with super ROM laterals. AthleanX must be C tier.

[@user-fx7ql2jn5e]

What about Paul Carter?

[@Johnpdf]

lots of people like Paul carter others despise him

[@glaziopluto8957]

Paul Carter is basically his arch nemesis lol.

[@gregorycocco9043]

What do you think of barbell medicine?

[@_baller]

I actually like MPMD for lifting discussions, but he doesn’t get into the nitty gritty of lifting as the main scope of these channels