Is Full Range of Motion USELESS? (ft. Dr. Mike Israetel)

In this video, Dr. Milo Wolf debates Dr. Mike Israetel (of ‪@RenaissancePeriodization‬) on the state of the current evidence on range of motion. Should you be using lengthened partials to maximise muscle growth? Or is a full range of motion still preferable?
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"Is Full Range of Motion USELESS? (ft. Dr. Mike Israetel)"
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[@elpresidente1990]

I’ve been doing lengthened partials for a year and now I’m going bald due to the TRT

[@devil5hlygrim972]

Weirdest statement I've heard in a while...

[@kane6529]

I’ve been doing lengthened partial squats and my testicles have shrunk

[@devil5hlygrim972]

@@kane6529 stop smashing them on the floor be nice to the boys

[@ryanwilloughby472]

That edit of dr mike asking, “am i young yet” was god tier. More please

[@HighHatOG]

Fr fr s tier

[@tmiller12051]

The popcorn to movies ratio may be the most G-rated analogy Dr. Mike may have ever come up with haha great video!

[@VedranKlemens]

I started biasing the majority of my training to lengthen positions and my progress exploded. Unfortunately, I also noticed how most machines in typical gyms suck. They often don't permit a full stretch, and it's even rarer to find equipment that provides a resistance curve that makes the lengthened position more challenging.

[@ThatGoodBarbequ]

My friends at my gym get frustrated with me because they think I’m too negative. But genuinely nearly every machine is so light in the strength and so heavy in the squeeze. I don’t know how we ended up with every machine being built like this. It’s certainly not because of this “new science”, because meat heads have always known this

[@michaeldc951]

I have this problem as well. Especially with leg curls and extensions. Try using pads to raise your knees to get a better stretch. Doesn’t work on all machines but my gym doesn’t have a lot of options

[@a.a.8515]

Full ROM with focus on stretch (really going into the stretch and resting for a sec there) is what’s king for me personally atm. Full ROM helps me to standardise the exercise, knowing when I progress by being able to add reps or weight and focussing on the stretch gives me big pumps all at the same time. I realised that I loose lots of energy while doing and keeping a full peak contraction for 1-2 seconds (similar by leaning into the stretch a lot) but since the stretch tends to give you more for the loss of energy, that’s my current take on my own workouts.

[@Nick-kf3io]

Such a brilliant conversation. The last point Dr Mike brought up about full Rom essentially giving you mini "rests" during each rep was something i was thinking about earlier today. I doubt i ever would have heard this mentioned anywhere else so 👏

[@gyurmethlodroe1774]

Full rom... just stop wee wee bit b4 lock out....not way way way b4 full lock out

[@faheemhussayn6146]

I've never had chest pumps in my 3 years of training.. recently I've integrated deep stretches in machine flys and my chest is getting nasty pumps and soreness the next day. The deep stretch thing is a game changer.

[@QuartzTech]

absolutely for me milking the stretch grows my chest better

[@noneyabusiness3253]

How was your chest growth in the first 3 years like?

[@user-pv2cx1lq7v]

Exactly the same shit happened to me, I almost lost hope to grow my chest, I thought it is just bad genetics. I benched 225 but my chest still was nonexistent. After doing flies with deep strech, I noticed results within couple weeks. But it did not contribute to strength growth on bench though.

[@MJfromdaO]

i never feel the pec fly in my chest just in my shoulder area

[@QuartzTech]

@@MJfromdaO even with cables ? adjust your form

[@beatsandmel0dy]

My brain is feeling the pump after this video

[@WolfCoaching]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@seankovarik4444]

Got that mind pump

[@MyUniqueHandle.]

my other head feeling a pump too

[@jbgearhead]

This was interesting and down right fun to watch. Great points made from both. 👍🏼👍🏼

[@danielstarr9037]

You should be an advisor brought in for fitness companies designing their machines. I bet they’d be butter

[@8jaime8]

This is fascinating. As a dancer I will continue to train through the range of motion because I feel it helps my work, but I will add some lengthened partials for areas I struggle to build and could use some hypertrophy the sake of aesthetics, like my calves. Thanks for the advice! I look forward to putting it to use.

[@Yoked_Fitness_Uk]

Hilarious and informative. More collabs please 🙏🏻

[@betaodantas]

Grande aula! Muito obrigado!

[@srleplay]

I've been doing lengthened partials for a year+ now and I consider them revolutionary to the point I'm going all in, I don't want to wait on the science to catch up

[@WolfCoaching]

Based take

[@timmian85]

probably leading cause of anal cancer within a year bro. I would stay calm and do full range of motion for the time being.

[@ranfan1820]

​​​@@timmian85 the gains are worth the anal cancer

[@flow1188]

i tried LTP for a while. i did not felt a bigger acceleration in Hypertrophie (but its all anecdotal evidence). But the strength building was bigger with RoM. And that in my mind can help the progression overload.

[@kalabhairava6670]

Lengthened partials have given me bicep and back growth like I've never had before. I haven't gone all in because some muscles feel awkward to train with lengthened partials (lengthened partials for triceps just gives me tendonitis for example), but I have changed my technique and tempo to be very lengthened biased. I bullshit my lockouts and go slower the deeper into the eccentric I go and pause at the bottom on everything. I bias my movement selection to movements that either train the muscle in the fully, or as close to fully as possible, stretched position (incline curls for example) or that bias the lengthened portion of the movement even if the muscle itself isn't in its fully stretched position (preacher curls for example), and have stopped doing movements that I can't feel a stretch in at all like normal lateral raises.

[@andrewkozemchok6793]

If you have even done half rep push ups to failure to impress your friends it was actually for maximum hypertrophy and you are better than them.

[@SpaghettiToaster]

No one would do the bottom half of the pushup only to impress your friends, that's the hardest part.

[@andrewkozemchok6793]

@@SpaghettiToaster Toe Rogan says "You'd be surprised"

[@danielstarr9037]

You have to bounce from the floor and only push up an extra inch or 2 post bounce

[@Flahtort]

If you weak and can only do half of rep on pullup, it's actually mean that you are better then ones who can do full pull up because you do lengthened partial

[@flow1188]

all i can recommend is the video with menno henselmann and brad shoenfeld, where hes sayin interesting things about lenghtend partials and Full Range of Motions, with the Benefits of RoM and the abscent of evidence we have in much cases. Hes not overhyping the lenghten Partials that much. Stayin Full RoM for Power and Hypertrophie, Maximum Stretch and muscle lenghts

[@EmanDS]

Great video as usual. 2 of my favourite content creators! I’ve been wondering recently what kind of differences in hypertrophy we’d see in an RDL vs a Nordic curl since tension peaks in stretched position in both. Would be a good study to see to what extent the hams need to be stretched provided tension peaks in a reasonably stretched position

[@killerkhatiby009]

My guess is that a Nordic Curl would likely result in greater overall hamstring growth (assuming similar volume, proximity to failure, rest times, etc...) since one of the heads of the hamstrings doesn't cross the hip joint so it can't contribute to the hip extension movement of the RDL but all heads will be utilized in the knee flexion movement in the Nordic Curl.

[@tallonhowie927]

How does one standarize their reps with lengthened partials? That is always a problem of partial reps, they are so arbitrary as to what qualifies as a sufficient rep

[@willmosse3684]

I would say as long as you covered the lengthened 50% of the rep, you’ve done it. Once you are into the contracted 50%, you are doing something else. So it’s from the max stretch to the exact mid-point of the full ROM. I haven’t been taught that though, that’s just my own interpretation of how the body mechanics would work. But I think it’s correct. Edit - with, of course, the deepest part of the stretch being the most important. If you only do the most stretched 35 or 40% of the ROM instead of the full 50%, I think you are hitting the most important part still. But I would keep the same range of motion for every rep - if you do 30% followed by 50% followed by 40% etc., then yeah, you can’t measure progress. But as long as you keep the same ROM rep by rep and set by set, I think you’re fine.

[@tallonhowie927]

@@willmosse3684 My own interpretation is similar. Anything 50%>= &

[@willmosse3684]

@@tallonhowie927 Using partial reps as a finisher a good way of ensuring max work - going past failure basically. Should give good results, though I think Israetel thinks best not to do that all the time as it needs more recovery time, so might cost you more in the end. But I guess that depends on how it feels for you, how often you are working that particular muscle anyway, etc. Interesting idea to record them as half reps. I usually just don't record what I do after failure on the full movement, but that does sit a bit wrong, so maybe I'll start doing it your way? What they are talking about here is a bit different though. They are talking about doing the whole set/exercise with only partial reps, not full ROM. And in this case, specifically LENGTHENED partials, so only the half of the movement where the muscle being worked is in a lengthened/stretched position is carried out. The half of the movement where the muscle is shortened/contracted, is not done at all. They are discussing data that shows that this lengthened part of the movement is where most of the hypertrophy comes from, so maybe it's not worth doing the shortened half of the movement, at least in some instances? It's a bit of different thing than using partials to "go past failure" when doing full ROM.

[@leighbrown5430]

What about your thoughts on full ROM with lengthened bias verses lengthen partials compared in terms of injuries in the long term ? Could it be that your less likely to get injured with full rom or promotes more a defense again mobility related health issue than lengthened partials ? Could the positives of muscle growth from partials be negated ?

[@s.wilson5675]

To hell with the movies! I'll just have the popcorn and watch Dr. Mike and Wolfie on YT all day! Thanks guys.

[@renzo3939]

Probably the most convincing video for LPs I've seen

[@DaveJohnson-cs2eu]

It may be beneficial to make a video defining what “FULL ROM” is. Most of the FULL ROM discussion is in general terms, which conflates FULL ROM of the muscle with FULL ROM of the joint, or of a given exercise, or of a machine the exercise is performed on etc.

[@AndusDominae]

I was writing a comment on the distal hypertrophy thing as the video started.

[@WolfCoaching]

Keep watching; we discuss that concern 🙏

[@AllanStephens-uu9wn]

There’s a lot of conjecture in the FULL ROM v Lengthened Partial discussions. The following N=1 hack squat experiment may be worth trying: Method (1). Two working sets of 10 reps with 100% of your top weight using “FULL ROM”, i.e. depth to where calves touch hams, squat up and then snap your knees back into full lock-out, rest for 2 sec. … then repeat. Method (2) Same as previous, but don’t lock-out. Method (3) Load the hack with 65-70% of previous weight, squat to same depth, come up half way, go back down to depth, then squat up just shy of lockout (2 sets x 10 reps). Method 3 TUT > Method 2 TUT > Method 1 TUT. You’ve lifted approximately the same amount of total weight using all three methods, however, method 3 biased the lengthened to mid-range ROM more. Note how your quads and knees feel after doing each method and make up your own mind on the merits of each. Tom Platz was doing method 3 decades ago, and John Meadows a decade ago. Science catching up to Bro-science IMHO.

[@alternatedemon6060]

absolute banger video, honestly the absolute peak contraction always felt awkward for me aswell, so i naturally started drifting towards simply not on the lockout but rather the stretch, that seems to result in much more growth in literally every single muscle i tried it on

[@platosbeard3476]

Let's say that LPs were light years ahead of full ROM for hypertrophy - I feel you should still include occasional periods of full ROM. Why? So you retain it as something your body can do well. OK, I'm dubious that that squeeze at the top of a calf raise is particularly useful, but being able to lock out on a heavy squat requires healthy, strong knees and fine motor control. That sheet seems worthwhile preserving to me

[@C0d0ps]

Healthy knees is so important for grappling - Both Mike Isratel and I have done BJJ for a few years, him many more than me. - I think I’m getting decent at wrestling after 3 years. I cannot keep wrestling all my life if my knee health isn’t tip top.

[@bonoestente6100]

This probably came up in another video, but in practical terms, would you use a heavier weight for the lengthened partials compared to full rom? Seems implied, but is it?

[@xGUANdeLUPEx]

I have been using partial ROM (with focus on length/stretch) as well as full ROM for years. Just made sense to include sets that focus on a mad eccentric stretch with lighter weights to 30° before lock-out. The pumps are crazy...but this just might be what happens when you follow the science and listen to Dr. Mike.

[@ajya462]

I’ve always got the most pump with faster reps and focusing on the “squeeze” especially with chest, biceps, and triceps. But definitely open to learning new things and have been doing slow eccentric full rom for about 6 months now

[@LucidStrike]

I went basically all in on lengthened partials for a better stimulus-to-fatigue ratio. My only holdout is pullups because I'm not yet clear on the implications for STRENGTH.

[@d3rpn1nj47]

True, My guess is that the strength increase seen from the lengthen partials is largely due to the muscle mass but the specificity of joint angles and muscle lengths is still probably king for strength. The strength work just probably has to be extremely small just to capitalize in the neurological adaptations

[@Flahtort]

Fir strength use full ROM because you want strength in full ROM, I guess.

[@user-py2ix8qm2h]

Hey Milo, just wanted to say GHRs should get some love for hamstrings. Basically the same thing as Nordic Curls but easier for mortals.

[@Hyatice]

Would this be the same as a harop curl, basically? It's harder to set up for since you have to be up off the ground to get a good stretch, but I find that splitting the difference and just bending at the waist and doing a nordic curl is still insanely effective. Bonus points, it pre-stretches the hamstrings at the hip hinge so you get even more stretch than you'd get during nordics, with less total load/strength requirements.

[@user-py2ix8qm2h]

@@Hyatice Harop curl is probably better in a way since you get a bigger hamstring stretch

[@trents7516]

Do we think there’s any chance we’re seeing such huge gains from lengthened partials could be a some sort of novelty effect? Maybe training in this way is such aan extreme departure from standard training that we are seeing huge gains but over an extended period of time we might see results normalize?

[@ducklife7662]

Lots of the studies are done on beginners

[@michaelshultz8973]

If that were the case, you would think that we would see the same effects from shortened partial training, right?

[@faheemhussayn6146]

​@@michaelshultz8973 Great point

[@Chazz4804]

Wow, awesome discussion with hilariousness! Now if you could just cover any other interesting training science 'that'd be great thanks'

[@TheMissCrocodile]

Loved itttt

[@Mark-nm6zw]

I'd have liked to have heard a discussion about the novel stimulus that lengthened partials illicit - is hypertrophy sustainable long term, or are responses as a result of the novelty? I'd love to see a study looking at sustained hypertrophic response over a longer period to see if there is (or isn't) decay. I'm sure Elon would sponsor this.

[@xz9908]

Recent thought Ive got. As seeing this more like an athlete than a bodybuilder. How does the fact of reduced ROM affects strength gains? Specifically as part of progressively overloading in order to gain more mass.

[@Flahtort]

For me personally i found lengthened partials to be ok for most exercises. But for one they worked great! It's the barbell squad. It allow me to shorten the set while not resting at the top and also limiting the weight i using. And I love to use less weight on squad! Because it's feels easier.

[@gohaikngiagyanchs24]

Dr Milo Wolf while doing seated and standing calf raises i find it easier to not fully squeeze and just focus on the deep stretch at the bottom. I usually fail and fatigue much faster when i actively try to contract as if i were to be doing an overcoming isometric at the top of the seated/standing calf raise. Do you suggest i still actively try my best to contract, (super slowed down contraction in the shortened position as it is much harder), or do i just focus on deep stretch and touch and go for the contraction? thanks

[@gohaikngiagyanchs24]

I know the study you cited in the video addressed calf extensions, but it is the peak contraction where it really feels like my muscle is "cramping" or maximal motor unit recruitment. i may be wrong. Neurological fatigue like Dr Mike talked about at 17:20 ?

[@Omar1066]

The comedic synergy between you both is fantastic.

[@darrianweathington1923]

Dr. Mike finally came out...... He's a huge d&d nerd.

[@benmberman]

Just a question in case anyone knows the answer - is there a chance the studies are mostly looking at people who have neglected their lengthened positions previously?

[@tallonhowie927]

Do you think the benefits of lengthened partials is due to fact that the most force being exerted on the weight it at peak lengthened position (because that is where the weight is stationary and carries no momentum)? Maybe I could get the same stimulus if I started stationary at mid-lengthened position? Might be stupid question, not acquainted with the science but I am curious.

[@moog5260]

what was the leucine threshold trouble?

[@audiman7716]

Full ROM ftw. I did long length partials for close to 8 months and besides being able to load more weight, my lean mass went down. It’s been a year back on full ROM and growing again.

[@999awesomekid]

Dr mike mentioned that the fatigue from the shortened position can take away from the lengthened position, but what about the fact that training in the lengthened position causes more fatigue per rep due to calcium ion accumulation?

[@marketlider2811]

Lenghtned partials ALL the time are cool until you get tendonitis

[@claudiamarianidamato9499]

You’re thinking way too hard and over complicating shit

[@killerkhatiby009]

Dr. Wolf, during an RDL/SLDL, if your only goal is maximal hamstring and glute hypertrophy, would you recommend keeping the barbell close to your shins or letting it drift forward with your arms on the way down? Everywhere I can find says the ideal technique is to keep the barbell close to the legs/shins, but that seems like it would be optimized for strength and maximizing the amount of weight lifted but suboptimal for maximizing tension in the hamstrings/glutes with any given weight since letting the arms drift forward would increase the moment arm and allow you to use lighter weight while maintaining the same tension on the target muscles as heavier weight close to the body. Basically, it seems to me that reducing the weight and letting the bar drift forward creates a similar lever arm and forces to a Goodmorning and a better stimulus-to-fatigue ratio, but nobody talks about doing it this way. Am I missing something here if I am not concerned with lat engagement or grip strength or stimulus to any other muscles during the RDL? Would love some clarity and explanation for your reasoning on the subject!

[@killerkhatiby009]

@@WolfCoaching ​Thanks for the reply!! You just sparked an interesting idea about increasing forces at longer muscle lengths. I was initially looking at it via the lens of keeping the lengthened ROM forces very similar by using lighter weight with a larger moment arm to achieve the same hamstring/glute tension at the most stretched position while reducing fatigue on synergist muscles compared to heavier weight with the bar close the entire time. But might be a cool idea for some eccentric overloading by using the same heavy weight as usual but letting the bar drift forward on the way down, then engaging the lats bringing the bar in to reduce the moment arm so you can perform the concentric portion. This way you still use the same heavier weight as the typical recommended form but increase tension on the eccentric as you bend over. Anecdotally, I've found I have to reduce the weight on the bar by about 40% to achieve similar reps and proximity to failure when letting the bar drift forward and not trying to bring it in close at all compared to engaging the lats and keeping it as close to my shins as possible the entire time. I was surprised how that minor adjustment makes the hinge movement MUCH harder at the bottom, but I would guess this is likely influenced a lot by height and torso proportions. Going to keep playing with this! I was just worried I was missing something since I've not seen anyone mention this as far as I'm aware, and it seems like, based on the latest science and the SFR concept, letting the bar drift forward would be the more "optimal" technique for hypertrophy.

[@timmian85]

I think you're missing the lower back. And how would you adjust the bar path on the way up - would you just let it swing like a pendulum? I dont think you will be winning a nobel price in barbells for trying to figure this out, and the closest approximation to what you're describing would be to do RDLs on a T-bar or something.

[@killerkhatiby009]

@@timmian85Can you explain more about what you mean by missing the lower back? Also, I don't think I'm following with the pendulum analogy. My idea was everything would be done in a controlled manner with no swinging. Just start at the top with the bar against your thighs as usual, and as you slowly lean forward doing the eccentric portion driving your hips back, you just let the bar and your arms naturally drift forward as well so they basically stay in line under the shoulders, then simply reverse the motion up so the bar naturally comes back in as you get more upright.

[@SuperMeiMei]

@@killerkhatiby009 man, I was literally thinking about something like this today. As I was doing SLDL today, I felt less stimulated, so I added weights, but my lats are tired after some reps, because I have to use them to keep the bar close to my legs. I will be try your method and let the bar drift forward naturally to see how it works. Thanks!

[@timmian85]

@@killerkhatiby009 And writing that you dont see how the lower back would be affected?

[@BenG-rd5wg]

Which parts of a study would you recommend to read?

[@sergejstojanovic2518]

As a scientific thinker, is lengthen training around 8% better than shorten or full rom? And will you do a QnA? Edit. You answer this one

[@freddym6643]

Beyond pure hypertrophy, could there be any health reasons to go for full range on motion on most exercises, especially compunds? Joint health, injury prevention, coordination, etc.

[@flow1188]

FuL Rom = more Strength building

[@DCJayhawk57]

Strength, for sure. But I think the lengthened position is where all the good health things happen, because that's a more compromised position which will elicit better gains in flexibility/mobility. Maybe there's something to be said for tendon strength going full ROM, but for preventing overuse, I find the lengthened position to be a lot more friendly on my tendons. Pec tendinopathy went away from emphasizing the stretch on all my chest movements, game changer for me.

[@Sol-01]

@@flow1188 Strength where? Do you know what strength is? If you are going to quote something so incorrect then you shouldn't be saying those words as if they are fact

[@Sol-01]

​@@DCJayhawk57 Pec tendinopathy most likely went away as a result of you fixing your load issue I.e you started doing full ROM so you had to reduce the load you were using

[@BGeezy4sheezy]

Full range of motion is its own benefit- being able to move through a full range of motion while stable and moving a load is the number one way to not have pain. The parts of the body that hurt are usually because they can’t move and are weak. Full ROM allows you to move around in the world more fluidly and pain free

[@MajklKral]

If chest exercises cause pain in shoulder when my elbows go below the line with my armpit, Would doing one extra set per session compensate for that? Or just staying in that stretched position but not stretching it too deep?

[@jcfrules]

this is likely due to you flaring your arms out too far. try to create a 45 degree angle with your torso and your arm. not a 90 degree angle and see if that helps

[@devil5hlygrim972]

You guys should work with 3Dmj rp and milo and create a study using volunteers from your programs over time in various subjects maybe offer free coaching or apps to study all of this maybe get Scott Stevenson aswell and gather some pros Id sign up to help progress our understanding of hypertrophy

[@danielstarr9037]

Now I’m gonna spend a week straight doing lengthened partial lateral raises. Dino delts here I come

[@zenegillette3938]

Nothing new, but full range to close to lock-out and near failure with last set lenghtnened partials to failure decreasing motion until you are dead really really works well.

[@moneymaker-ju1mq]

Preacher curl promotes more growth at elbow part of muscle

[@kapitankapow]

we come a long way since that stairwell

[@akashafofo6939]

lengthened partials from the start of the set or at the end?

[@MrDjhealth]

Max Contraction training by John Little rules

[@adamlimbach6756]

I think the real error here is putting too much emphasis on short-term studies, regardless of how many there are. As mentioned early in this video, muscles were designed to function through a full range of motion, so that is probably how you should “optimally” train them over a long period of time, even though optimal probably can’t be defined anyway. Consistency in diet and nutrition, with a clear focus on progressive overload and hard training over time will trump any scientific study performed on someone else.

[@KurokamiNajimi]

You can still lengthened partials you just have to do shortened partials on top of it for max results

[@stevefoxrox]

Is Dr Mike worried about all those “team full ROM” t shirts he’ll have to throw away now?

[@25johnlowe]

I truly wish this level of accessible content was available when i was training at a younger age, now 36 and wish a lot of this was available readily then.

[@sergejstojanovic2518]

Con i ask you smth for strength training?

[@dannyfernandez1851]

Should we lock out on pull ups?

[@RTB_1234]

We need a fusion image of these two. "Fusion!"

[@darbomusic]

Partial reps give you just as good a pump, any sustained pump leads to hypertrophy!

[@ianlewis5910]

Milo! Thoughts on overcoming isometrics in the lengthened position. Intuitively, if equating the integral of of joint torque over time per set, you would expect superior hypertrophy over the isometric set (at least if you think tension as the only factor).

[@sergejstojanovic2518]

Will you make a video where you talk to Jared Feather?

[@WolfCoaching]

Maybe in the future! We could make it happen.

[@WestonWill]

I'm bias towards the bottoms...

[@Jizzlewobbwtfcus]

I had to put the speed down to 0.5 lol Still great....the stuff I understood!

[@emmang2010]

awesome

[@jordivanderlugt6585]

Last partial is always for dr. Mike

[@warrenhenning8064]

The old school bodybuilder guys always talk about things other than size. Lee Haney talks about "maturity" and other things that are not necessarily synonymous with size. I see other people on KZbin talk about squeezing to develop striation/separation/something. Is that all non sense or could full ROM vs. lengthened partials impact those qualities? I realize that since Dorian Yates the single most important things on stage are size and leanness and everything else is relatively less important.

[@NekoJet91]

Dr. Mike's stance on this from some other video on his channel is something along the lines of "Explain to me how could that POSSIBLY work biomechanically, muscle can get bigger or get leaner, has nothing to do with rep range". I think it was a video about training with higher rep ranges on a cut and lower while massing, look it up if you are curious

[@tntcheats]

"I'm a masturbation addict" -- later: "I don't use my hands for anything, I have my butlers do it"

[@Masterlocster69]

Maybe full ROM helps with Rep fatigue?

[@mfit5470]

So is this for myofibular or sarcoplasmic hypertrophy?

[@WolfCoaching]

That distinction likely has nothing to do with this. At least, we have no evidence to suggest it does

[@mfit5470]

@@WolfCoaching Hm, ok. Please do a video on this topic, since w/o myofibular hypertropy, you can just eat bunch of carbs and gain "muscle" and scew the research.

[@binkini]

lol on the calve meme

[@robertward5047]

Wow the calf clip was even before your voice broke

[@TheHybrid350]

great

[@coows]

based and length-pilled

[@StephenMillerIAriseIwakeupI]

Do leg extensions like Tom Platz, aight!

[@KurokamiNajimi]

Just depends on your intent. I like to stimulate all strength curves so I end up either doing full ROM or I’ll do a lengthened and shortened partial throughout the week if it’s not in the same session

[@jarednieves2884]

Dr Mike got them cauliflower ears

[@gokukakarot1855]

For the algorithm

[@christianduval8374]

We need more studies about concentric only training.

[@OfficialRuffDucketz]

When wolf talks to mike it sounds like hes on on 1.5X speed

[@Adi-ei4ub]

But what is better for muscle strength? For me personally, strength is more important because I practice MMA.

[@kaimelis]

What happened to Mikes ear?

[@varietyryan]

cauliflower ear

[@PierceRandall-hf7vf]

What do you think about injury risk and lengthened-biased loading? Anecdotally, people can tear their biceps on preachers, for example. I realize you can work around this (high reps), but might they not be a reason to avoid lengthened-biased training sometimes?

[@renzo3939]

I've heard the problem with preachers is that people generally aren't used to that stretched position on the biceps, that's why the risk of injury is a lot higher. If they were to train mostly stretched, then the imbalance of muscle to tendon wouldn't happen. Who knows though

[@Flahtort]

I personally assume that if you ease into something and go slow and control and not push through pain you most likely be fine

[@devil5hlygrim972]

I SWEAR IM GOING TO BE SO MAD, IF ARNOLD'S 21'S IN THE THREE DIFFERENT REP RANGES IS BEST! Me and mike are going to wrestle I've been listening to RP since 2014

[@willismabobiii]

I thought peak contraction was for strength no?

[@omega383]

Great video, totally s-tier

[@WolfCoaching]

fr fr

[@omega383]

@@WolfCoaching 🤣

[@Nildain12]

Top end partials are kinda cringe tbh -- Dr. Milo Wolf

[@sulezraz]

5:00

[@crimdan6036]

I always viewed Dr. Mike as a data nerd. Then Dr. Wolf comes along and you see Mike looking at him like "man, you are a nerd" 😂 Love them both and great video!

[@Djdkdkdndkzn1]

How come none of these science guys noticed huge gains doing lengthened partials before studies started advocating them? These same guys noticed HUGE benefits doing «team full ROM» a couple of years ago i bet

[@xRedxxWolfx]

My guess is.. 1) People don't normally do it. People tend to lean more towards " top half" partials because they are easier. 2) Because I believe they are fairly small gains. We aren't talking about 2 times better results or anything like that.

[@sulezraz]

5:22

[@Abe_3000]

Impressive rebuttal, Dr. Wolf! You baited Dr. Mike, about six months ago, and he took a bite today. You will fish him out in six months. I want to see Dr. Mike wearing a "Team LP" gown and cap by then.

[@mamagalebi]

HEY DR MILO WOLF, is there any way to change the length or shape of my clavicles? I be narrow af :(

[@gorski1234]

Need a t-shirt "Bias the bottom"

[@heidiswisher2044]

👍

[@daguy9305]

Been getting my asshole stretched out for years 🙏🙏 I can feel the strength filling me up !